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Cano4prez
05-12-2011, 02:31 PM
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/rose-highlights-2010-11-all-nba-first-team.html



Position Player, Team (1st Team Votes) Points
Forward LeBron James, Miami (119) 595
Forward Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City (69) 492
Center Dwight Howard, Orlando (118) 593
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers (98) 551
Guard Derrick Rose, Chicago (118) 593

2010-11 ALL-NBA SECOND TEAM
Position Player, Team (1st Team Votes) Points
Forward Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers (2) 259
Forward Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas (47) 437
Center Amar’e Stoudemire, New York (2) 258
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami (24) 392
Guard Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City 184

2010-11 ALL-NBA THIRD TEAM
Position Player, Team (1st Team Votes) Points
Forward LaMarcus Aldridge, Portland 135
Forward Zach Randolph, Memphis 67
Center Al Horford, Atlanta 62
Guard Manu Ginobili, San Antonio 106
Guard Chris Paul, New Orleans 157

Wade snubbed again..

AllBall
05-12-2011, 02:33 PM
Kobe is on every list because this is a lifetime achievement award? :confused: Its like starting Duncan for the All-Star game.......

SteBO
05-12-2011, 02:35 PM
Wade should be 1st team. That's the only thing I see truly laughable about these lists.

Iodine
05-12-2011, 02:35 PM
Whoever voted for Bargs, Al Jeff, Perk, and Scola needs to be pimp slapped

JordansBulls
05-12-2011, 02:35 PM
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/rose-highlights-2010-11-all-nba-first-team.html




Wade snubbed again..

yeah it is true, but at least Gasol got to 2nd team this time.

ManRam
05-12-2011, 02:36 PM
Kobe did have a solid regular season, I still would have gone with Wade and Rose instead...

Oh well. All three had very solid years. Far from the biggest snub ever.

I think I'm OK with Russy over Paul. I like them both a lot. I can live with the rest.

dnewguy
05-12-2011, 02:38 PM
LMAO...........when most voters are Miami haters, this is what you get.

dnewguy
05-12-2011, 02:40 PM
Lets not forget that the people that vote live in LA anyways.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 02:40 PM
eh, pretty much exactly what I said the 1st team would look like

I would swap Kobe and Wade, and Dirk and Durant though. But its not that big of a deal I guess.

Iodine
05-12-2011, 02:41 PM
Also, As much as I love the LAMA Klove>>>>Him

jsimms92
05-12-2011, 02:41 PM
wow Drose over wade, westbrook over Cp3, Ginobli over Deron and Horford over melo are all major B.S

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 02:41 PM
how the hell did Bargnani get 2 votes?

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 02:42 PM
Also, As much as I love the LAMA Klove>>>>Him

17 wins homie. Love didn't stand a chance, though I personally agree with you (which is obvious to most here :))

RZZZA
05-12-2011, 02:42 PM
screw Wade, go D.Rose :clap:


/homer mode

Iodine
05-12-2011, 02:44 PM
how the hell did Bargnani get 2 votes?
Nothing will beat Perk getting three even though he didnt even play half the season.


17 wins homie. Love didn't stand a chance, though I personally agree with you (which is obvious to most here :))

I know, I know, but still IMO MVP and COY are the only awards that team success should matter

SB1
05-12-2011, 02:45 PM
I wonder what Wade has to do to get some respect. Just more fuel for the fire.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 02:45 PM
screw Wade, go D.Rose :clap:


/homer mode

thats fine, but Wade should have been in over Kobe then.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 02:46 PM
I wonder what Wade has to do to get some respect. Just more fuel for the fire.

he doesn't care about this crap. The only thing he is thinking of is who is up next in the ECF's. So many of us act like the players care. Its nice to be recognized, sure, but anyone on those teams cares way more about winning rings than being named to some team that fans argue over

ManRam
05-12-2011, 02:46 PM
Oh, and I agree that Dirk should have been first team.

29$JerZ
05-12-2011, 02:47 PM
Kobe is the only selection I have a problem with but the Three teams look legit to me.

lol at the votes for guys like Deng, Bargnani, Perkins, Scola, Gordon

JordansBulls
05-12-2011, 02:51 PM
I wonder what Wade has to do to get some respect. Just more fuel for the fire.

http://www.nba.com/heat/stats/2010/conf_semi_stats.html

He already was the best player last series and has been this playoffs IMO.

Iodine
05-12-2011, 02:52 PM
Emeka getting votes :laugh:

Sadds The Gr8
05-12-2011, 02:52 PM
none of this is a surprise...but Westbrook over Paul on the All-NBA 2nd team is dumb...

29$JerZ
05-12-2011, 02:54 PM
I wonder what Wade has to do to get some respect. Just more fuel for the fire.

He gets plenty of respect imo.
I can't recall a MVP not making the 1st Team All NBA. That may be why :shrug:

Wade should be first team but that's what happens when its a weak MVP race and Kobe is still playing.

godolphins
05-12-2011, 02:56 PM
No Bosh :pity: This has to be a joke!!! :eyebrow:

DoJoTheSlasher
05-12-2011, 02:57 PM
C'mon. Dirk was better than Durant this year. The amount of clutch shots he hit this year and him being an MVP the first half of the season until he got hurt. Oh well 2nd team is good I guess.

Iodine
05-12-2011, 02:58 PM
He gets plenty of respect imo.
I can't recall a MVP not making the 1st Team All NBA. That may be why :shrug:

Wade should be first team but that's what happens when its a weak MVP race and Kobe is still playing.

Russell over Wilt

Of course thats when players voted for all NBA and everyone ****ing HATED wilt

still1ballin
05-12-2011, 02:59 PM
KOBE :dance:

Cool007
05-12-2011, 03:00 PM
thats fine, but Wade should have been in over Kobe then.

Agreed.

I don't know How Kobe Made the All-defense 1st team and All-NBA 1st team???

D-Wade should have made both.

Maybe this is Kobe's final Hurray?

Gibby23
05-12-2011, 03:01 PM
Kobe!

droalex
05-12-2011, 03:01 PM
Wade over Kobe

Lake_Show2416
05-12-2011, 03:04 PM
:laugh2: the Kobe haters r funny

ManRam
05-12-2011, 03:04 PM
Agreed.

I don't know How Kobe Made the All-defense 1st team and All-NBA 1st team???

D-Wade should have made both.

Maybe this is Kobe's final Hurray?

Wade shouldn't have been first team defense...but Kobe even more so definitely shouldn't have either.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 03:05 PM
Agreed.

I don't know How Kobe Made the All-defense 1st team and All-NBA 1st team???

D-Wade should have made both.

Maybe this is Kobe's final Hurray?

Kobe has moved into the Derek Jeter conversation. The guy who has clearly declined some, but continues to be handed awards as a lifetime achievement award. Obviously Kobe would have been completely deserving of 2nd team, he hasn't fallen that far, but Wade played better this season, and belongs there. Iggy should have been 1st team all defense over Kobe.

But whatever. It is what it is. No need to lose sleep over it

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 03:06 PM
:laugh2: the Kobe haters r funny

as I have stated in all of these award threads, please tell us WHY Kobe deserves to be there instead of calling others haters.

Iodine
05-12-2011, 03:08 PM
Kobe has moved into the Derek Jeter conversation. The guy who has clearly declined some, but continues to be handed awards as a lifetime achievement award. Obviously Kobe would have been completely deserving of 2nd team, he hasn't fallen that far, but Wade played better this season, and belongs there. Iggy should have been 1st team all defense over Kobe.

But whatever. It is what it is. No need to lose sleep over it

You sir are amazing



as I have stated in all of these award threads, please tell us WHY Kobe deserves to be there instead of calling others haters.

Cuz he gawt dem haterz urywhere he go mang!

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:12 PM
Westy on second and Durant on first? Awesome.

allSUAVE
05-12-2011, 03:12 PM
we got a situation

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 03:12 PM
Westy on second and Durant on first? Awesome.

you know Paul should be in over Westbrook, but I am sure your pumped haha

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:13 PM
:laugh2: the Kobe haters r funny

The fact that Kobe was on the All-NBA first team and All-NBA defensive first team is even funnier.

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:15 PM
you know Paul should be in over Westbrook, but I am sure your pumped haha

Well bias makes me believe Westy deserves it over Paul, but at the same time I wouldn't have a problem at all if Paul did get it. I'm actually surprised Westbrook was on the second team to be honest; I was just hoping he'd be on one of the teams in general.

Giraffes Rule
05-12-2011, 03:16 PM
No Bosh :pity: This has to be a joke!!! :eyebrow:

Now that's just being a ridiculous homer. Bosh over any of those forwards would be a joke.

I like the list. If I had to nitpick I'd prefer to see Randolph with more votes, but he's where he should be.

AllBall
05-12-2011, 03:16 PM
Sarcasm eludes you.....

TheRunKiller
05-12-2011, 03:16 PM
:cry: Wade got screwed :cry:

Drose > Dwade

allSUAVE
05-12-2011, 03:17 PM
Westbrook over CP3 AND DWILL :facepalm:
Zach Randolph and Ginobili over Melo :facepalm:

smh ,I know Melo situation this year was terrible but still

Tony_Starks
05-12-2011, 03:17 PM
Kobe and Wade DID have comparable numbers this year and also Kobe was
1st all defensive team right? Ok just checking. I undertand riding for your boy but to act like this was some sort of huge travesty smacks of Kobe haterism to me.

The fact is either one could've got it. Now if your going to say they gave Kobe the edge because he's still viewed by many voters (and players) as the best in the game I will not argue with you.....




edit* Z-Bo and Lamarcus getting some love was a great thing to see though, well deserved!

AllBall
05-12-2011, 03:18 PM
:cry: Wade got screwed :cry:

Drose > Dwade

MVP < Finals MVP

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:19 PM
:cry: Wade got screwed :cry:

Drose > Dwade

Honestly, what's the point of stirring up controversy for no reason? Come on now...

allSUAVE
05-12-2011, 03:19 PM
:cry: Wade got screwed :cry:

Drose > Dwade

he's this season MVP the only reason why they put him on the first team over CP3 ,Wade and Dwill

29$JerZ
05-12-2011, 03:19 PM
Westbrook over CP3 AND DWILL :facepalm:
Zach Randolph and Ginobili over Melo :facepalm:

smh ,I know Melo situation this year was terrible but still

People seem to forget how much of a star Manu was this season.
Randolph got his 8th seed quad to beat the #1 Seeded Spurs and are going toe to toe with Durant.

Melo has done nothing this season to warrant an All NBA Team spot over guys like Randolph/Manu/LA

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 03:19 PM
Kobe and Wade DID have comparable numbers this year and also Kobe was
1st all defensive team right? Ok just checking. I undertand riding for your boy but to act like this was some sort of huge travesty smacks of Kobe haterism to me.

The fact is either one could've got it. Now if your going to say they gave Kobe the edge because he's still viewed by many voters (and players) as the best in the game I will not argue with you.....

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2011&p2=wadedw01&y2=2011

Wade was clearly better this season. As for 1st team all defense, neither deserved it. Iggy got shafted

Lake_Show2416
05-12-2011, 03:21 PM
The fact that Kobe was on the All-NBA first team and All-NBA defensive first team is even funnier.

creative, leading ur team as the number 1 option attracting more double teams & focus from the opposing teams defenses while still doing what he does best

if Kobe had Lebron next to him he could score whenever he wanted to, that's why wade is 2nd team & Kobes 1st but it doesn't matter bout any opinions cuz the fact is it's already in the record books despite the hate

jockrider
05-12-2011, 03:21 PM
huh? the best player in the league is on nba 2nd team? okaay who is this rose kid?

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:24 PM
creative, leading ur team as the number 1 option attracting more double teams & focus from the opposing teams defenses while still doing what he does best

if Kobe had Lebron next to him he could score whenever he wanted to, that's why wade is 2nd team & Kobes 1st but it doesn't matter bout any opinions cuz the fact is it's already in the record books despite the hate

Wade was better before Lebron showed up. Wade's been better for about 3-4 years now, sorry.

TheRunKiller
05-12-2011, 03:24 PM
he's this season MVP the only reason why they put him on the first team over CP3 ,Wade and Dwill

naw even if he didn't win MVP he would still be ahead of those players

MacFitz92
05-12-2011, 03:25 PM
Wade and Dirk got jipped.

allSUAVE
05-12-2011, 03:25 PM
People seem to forget how much of a star Manu was this season.
Randolph got his 8th seed quad to beat the #1 Seeded Spurs and are going toe to toe with Durant.

Melo has done nothing this season to warrant an All NBA Team spot over guys like Randolph/Manu/LA

ight you got it, point made

Cano4prez
05-12-2011, 03:26 PM
Kobe and Wade DID have comparable numbers this year and also Kobe was
1st all defensive team right? Ok just checking. I undertand riding for your boy but to act like this was some sort of huge travesty smacks of Kobe haterism to me.

The fact is either one could've got it. Now if your going to say they gave Kobe the edge because he's still viewed by many voters (and players) as the best in the game I will not argue with you.....




edit* Z-Bo and Lamarcus getting some love was a great thing to see though, well deserved!

Wade is better than Kobe at this stage of their careers

Iodine
05-12-2011, 03:28 PM
Wade was better before Lebron showed up. Wade's been better for about 3-4 years now, sorry.

Pretty much

#PSDcultofDwade

basketfan4life
05-12-2011, 03:29 PM
Wade was better before Lebron showed up. Wade's been better for about 3-4 years now, sorry.

yeah right....

lets just say wade is better since he first stepped on the court...are we on a test to see how dumb people can be?

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:30 PM
yeah right....

lets just say wade is better since he first stepped on the court...are we on a test to see how dumb people can be?

I can't read that post, there's bias spilled all over it.

ManRam
05-12-2011, 03:30 PM
I was gonna argue Paul over Russy, but it isn't hard to argue that Russy had the better individual regular season...not hard at all. In fact, I think he did.

But still, CP3 carrying that rag tag group of "NBA players" to the playoffs was amazing. I don't think I would have had CP3 over him if it weren't for the first round where Paul reminded us that he still is the best PG...but I can't take that into consideration for this.

ManRam
05-12-2011, 03:31 PM
Wade was better before Lebron showed up. Wade's been better for about 3-4 years now, sorry.

I'll say "yeah right" too...

I don't see how you can really make that argument at all honestly.

basketfan4life
05-12-2011, 03:31 PM
Wade is better than Kobe at this stage of their careers

no, people are just too quick to write him off,after plenty of rest this summer and new coach eho doesn't take things for granted, i'm almost sure kobe-lebron duel is firing up next season again.

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:32 PM
I was gonna argue Paul over Russy, but it isn't hard to argue that Russy had the better individual regular season...not hard at all. In fact, I think he did.

But still, CP3 carrying that rag tag group of "NBA players" to the playoffs was amazing. I don't think I would have had CP3 over him if it weren't for the first round where Paul reminded us that he still is the best PG...but I can't take that into consideration for this.

I'd do a Russy for CP3 swap in a heartbeat... :hide:

Lake_Show2416
05-12-2011, 03:32 PM
Wade was better before Lebron showed up. Wade's been better for about 3-4 years now, sorry.

wow :facepalm:

apparently no in the NBA has ever agreed with that

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 03:32 PM
jesus, the maturity level of the NBA forums never ceases to amaze me

thekmp211
05-12-2011, 03:32 PM
hard for me to swallow chris paul being an all-nba third teamer this year. i'd switch him and westbrook, and also switch wade and kobe. good to see horford getting some love, too, even though he's a pseudo-center at best.

edit: first time around it either made no sense or was not the point i was trying to make.

Iodine
05-12-2011, 03:33 PM
If Chris Paul had a legit team around him (esp the wings), whit would be unfair

Cano4prez
05-12-2011, 03:34 PM
no, people are just too quick to write him off,after plenty of rest this summer and new coach eho doesn't take things for granted, i'm almost sure kobe-lebron duel is firing up next season again.

Based off what?

allSUAVE
05-12-2011, 03:34 PM
http://twitter.com/alanhahn/status/68756871640657920

^he's a knick now thats why, other MEDIA hates NY.

I am happy for Amare tho

LongWayFromHome
05-12-2011, 03:35 PM
whoever gave jason kidd a vote should never be allowed to vote again

Tony_Starks
05-12-2011, 03:36 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2011&p2=wadedw01&y2=2011

Wade was clearly better this season. As for 1st team all defense, neither deserved it. Iggy got shafted


If you look at their basic numbers they are both at about 25 5 5. I don't get into per and all that other mess I leave that to you guys, Im sticking with the basics. Also it would be fair to say Kobe saw more double teams than Wade because with Lebron slashing to the hole it makes it difficult to double DWade. With Lakers main scoring threats besides Kobe being bigs, teams are still staying home with Gasol/Bynum, doubling Kobe and daring Fisher and Artest to beat them with 3's.

Like I said to me I couldn't be mad either way but to act like Wade blatantly deserved over Kobe is a bit of a stretch all things considered.

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:37 PM
This is from '08-'09 to '10-'11...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bryanko01&y1=2009&p2=wadedw01&y2=2009

Besides Kobe dominating in win shares, Wade ***** on Kobe.

Hellcrooner
05-12-2011, 03:38 PM
im going to go out in a limb and say that thanks god votings were made before the playoffs....

smith&wesson
05-12-2011, 03:39 PM
dirk should be on first team.

wade should be on first team.

i love kobe, but i would put him on third team.

ManRam
05-12-2011, 03:39 PM
I'd do a Russy for CP3 swap in a heartbeat... :hide:

I think you'd be crazy not to...doesn't mean Russy didn't deserve second team over Paul though.

Iodine
05-12-2011, 03:40 PM
jesus, the maturity level of the NBA forums never ceases to amaze me

They don't know the definition of based tbh

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:41 PM
I think you'd be crazy not to...doesn't mean Russy didn't deserve second team over Paul though.

Agreed. I don't wanna see Paul on a good team, unless it's the Thunder of course.

Or maybe even Orlando, him and Dwight would be fun to watch.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 03:41 PM
If you look at their basic numbers they are both at about 25 5 5. I don't get into per and all that other mess I leave that to you guys, Im sticking with the basics. Also it would be fair to say Kobe saw more double teams than Wade because with Lebron slashing to the hole it makes it difficult to double DWade. With Lakers main scoring threats besides Kobe being bigs, teams are still staying home with Gasol/Bynum, doubling Kobe and daring Fisher and Artest to beat them with 3's.

Like I said to me I couldn't be mad either way but to act like Wade blatantly deserved over Kobe is a bit of a stretch all things considered.

if you look at their basic numbers only, you have no idea how to measure them. None.

Sooo, having the most dominant frontcourt doesn't make it difficult to double Kobe? Cmon guys, you are reaching here. And if you don't think LeBron and Wade are double teamed, and teams are letting Anthony, Chalmers, and the rest of the crap assembled for the Heat shoot away, you are also reaching.

Baller1
05-12-2011, 03:42 PM
They don't know the definition of based tbh

That's definitely the only reasonable justification.

Iodine
05-12-2011, 03:42 PM
im going to go out in a limb and say that thanks god votings were made before the playoffs....

Who thanks me?

dnewguy
05-12-2011, 03:43 PM
Agreed.

I don't know How Kobe Made the All-defense 1st team and All-NBA 1st team???

D-Wade should have made both.

Maybe this is Kobe's final Hurray?

We've been saying that for the last 3 years, same results. This year is an insult to the game of basketball. Don't give me Wade has bron bs because when Wade had nothing they still put Kobe of first team.

six
05-12-2011, 03:45 PM
wow Drose over wade

Rose is the MVP, I think he deserves to be over Wade.

It's a good list, I might switch Westbrook with CP3, but it's close.

TheRunKiller
05-12-2011, 03:46 PM
I think you'd be crazy not to...doesn't mean Russy didn't deserve second team over Paul though.

Russell had the better season he should be on the 2nd team...chris paul had a good series vs LA that's it.

RW>CP3 This season

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 03:46 PM
We've been saying that for the last 3 years, same results. This year is an insult to the game of basketball. Don't give me Wade has bron bs because when Wade had nothing they still put Kobe of first team.

um, what do you think the excuses will be if the Heat win a ring, and we ask, "THERE, can we please now drop the whole, LeBron doesn't know how to win thing"?

They will bring up Wade, and Bosh. And cop out yet again from the real arguments.

Iodine
05-12-2011, 03:47 PM
Thats the thing with ego's and excuses on the internet. Its easy to have big ones and hard to admit your wrong

CeeDub15
05-12-2011, 03:49 PM
Would be beast if Klove wouldve made it. Hopefully we can get a guy like Williams in the draft, and get a couple vets in FA, and Rubio comes over, all realistic possibilities, we have a chance to be ok next year.

HouRealCoach
05-12-2011, 03:51 PM
Kobe is on every list because this is a lifetime achievement award? :confused: Its like starting Duncan for the All-Star game.......

Duncan started because Yao got injured

gsgs49
05-12-2011, 03:53 PM
It should Wade over Kobe,everyone except lakers homers knows it.
And it should be Dirk over Durant because Dirk is much more valuable to his team.
And he has also better advanced stats WS/48,TS%,eFG%,ORtg,Drtg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=nowitdi01&y1=2011&p2=duranke01&y2=2011
And the 4.3 difference in PPG would be only 1.4 if we use points per 36 minutes.

But the most laughable thing here is the best point guard in the world on the 3rd team:facepalm:

twoearl
05-12-2011, 03:56 PM
Perkins got 3 votes? Barg got 2? What the He++ are these people watching? lol

Sergio1984
05-12-2011, 03:58 PM
For those of you crying about Rose over Wade, you should take a look at Kobe making the list. If anything it should be Wade over Kobe.

Baller1
05-12-2011, 04:05 PM
For those of you crying about Rose over Wade, you should take a look at Kobe making the list. If anything it should be Wade over Kobe.

Kobe over Wade has been the main gripe. For the most part, everyone is fine with Rose on the first team.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-12-2011, 04:23 PM
Melo not being on 2nd or 3rd blows my mind.

Tony_Starks
05-12-2011, 04:23 PM
if you look at their basic numbers only, you have no idea how to measure them. None.

Sooo, having the most dominant frontcourt doesn't make it difficult to double Kobe? Cmon guys, you are reaching here. And if you don't think LeBron and Wade are double teamed, and teams are letting Anthony, Chalmers, and the rest of the crap assembled for the Heat shoot away, you are also reaching.


I seriously doubt the voters place a lot of value on the "efficiency" stats for the simple fact that historically those have only really come into big popularity the past few years with the onslaught of these so called internet experts and stat geeks. Also their is still an ongoing debate around the league as to are those kind of stats really even valid since they can be skewed and there's also a lot of factors that they don't take in.

If I were betting I'd bet they're going off things like basic stats, team record, and reputation (and personal bias of course). Kobe is still regarded by many as the best in the league (including Lebron and Wade) so its not hard to imagine he got that on the strength of his rep.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 04:25 PM
I seriously doubt the voters place a lot of value on the "efficiency" stats for the simple fact that historically those have only really come into big popularity the past few years with the onslaught of these so called internet experts and stat geeks. Also their is still an ongoing debate around the league as to are those kind of stats really even valid since they can be skewed and there's also a lot of factors that they don't take in.

If I were betting I'd bet they're going off things like basic stats, team record, and reputation (and personal bias of course). Kobe is still regarded by many as the best in the league (including Lebron and Wade) so its not hard to imagine he got that on the strength of his rep.

I don't really care what they are going off of quite frankly. Even before the advanced stats movement I didn't agree with some of the selections.

OF COURSE they go off reputation. So does every sport. Which is why the teams are rarely correct.

To the people who are slow to grasp and embrace the advanced stats movement, I hope you realize every team in the NBA now employs these so called, "stat geeks", and the teams who seem to do the best job of winning trades and drafing typically have the top stat guys working for them.

nolin
05-12-2011, 04:25 PM
It should Wade over Kobe,everyone except lakers homers knows it.
And it should be Dirk over Durant because Dirk is much more valuable to his team.
And he has also better advanced stats WS/48,TS%,eFG%,ORtg,Drtg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=nowitdi01&y1=2011&p2=duranke01&y2=2011
And the 4.3 difference in PPG would be only 1.4 if we use points per 36 minutes.

But the most laughable thing here is the best point guard in the world on the 3rd team:facepalm:

ummm what are you talkin about ? the best pg in the world made 1st team. anyone who watches basketball knows that. this isnt 2008 guy. you been away from the game for 3 years now.

Da Knicks
05-12-2011, 04:26 PM
Melo not being on 2nd or 3rd blows my mind.

Same here, but i guess the whole Melo saga turned people against him.:( I hope stuff like this puts a fire under him to be better next season.

The Kobe pick still has me wondering, first the defensive team now this...:facepalm:

dnewguy
05-12-2011, 04:29 PM
D Wade via twitter "I wanna thnk all my fans for there support and concerns..just know I dnt determine my success as a professional by individual awards"

what54!?
05-12-2011, 04:32 PM
rose deserved to be there. Kobe should have been 2nd team. He got a lifetime achievement award on both this and defensive team. Everyone knows wade was snubbed.

whatever moving on......

EDIT: didn't realize dirk wasn't on the first team. he got snubbed too

allSUAVE
05-12-2011, 04:33 PM
I now know why Melo didn't make it, all those players had a better season than him. Ok

gsgs49
05-12-2011, 04:43 PM
ummm what are you talkin about ? the best pg in the world made 1st team. anyone who watches basketball knows that. this isnt 2008 guy. you been away from the game for 3 years now.

I don't want to turn this into a Rose/Paul debate but last time I checked( and it wasn't 3 years ago) Chris Paul still better defender,better passer,better shooter,better rebounder(despite being much smaller) and he has better stats in everything except PPG, he has much better advanced stats.
Rose is much better scorer though and he finishes better around the rim.

sep11ie
05-12-2011, 04:54 PM
wow Drose over wade, westbrook over Cp3, Ginobli over Deron and Horford over melo are all major B.S

:confused:

nolin
05-12-2011, 05:02 PM
I don't want to turn this into a Rose/Paul debate but last time I checked( and it wasn't 3 years ago) Chris Paul still better defender,better passer,better shooter,better rebounder(despite being much smaller) and he has better stats in everything except PPG, he has much better advanced stats.
Rose is much better scorer though and he finishes better around the rim.

lol these 2 are not true at all. but like you said im not gonna turn this into a rose vs paul. the majority of nba fans know whos better.

JWO35
05-12-2011, 05:03 PM
Rodney Stuckey snubbed again :pity:

TheRunKiller
05-12-2011, 05:06 PM
For those of you crying about Rose over Wade, you should take a look at Kobe making the list. If anything it should be Wade over Kobe.

this

Crackadalic
05-12-2011, 05:09 PM
My only issue is kobe. He's been my favorite player for years but he doesnt deserve it over D-wade

Everything else looks fine to me

KingPosey
05-12-2011, 05:15 PM
wade should have been on the 1st team no doubt. But im not going to name the player he should have been over, because that group of fans will have a ****ing heart attack.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-12-2011, 05:21 PM
I agree Wade should have been on the first team, but why should he only replace Kobe? He and Rose had an identical year. Add to the fact that Kobe did it in a much tougher conference against tougher opponents. Add that to the fact that this is his 15th year in the league. You get the respect and the benefit of the doubt when you have done it for that long. Rose should be on the second team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2011&p2=rosede01&y2=2011

nolin
05-12-2011, 05:29 PM
I agree Wade should have been on the first team, but why should he only replace Kobe? He and Rose had an identical year. Add to the fact that Kobe did it in a much tougher conference against tougher opponents. Add that to the fact that this is his 15th year in the league. You get the respect and the benefit of the doubt when you have done it for that long. Rose should be on the second team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2011&p2=rosede01&y2=2011

lol your sounding like a homer. how can you not have the MVP on the 1st team?

PLAYERS FAN
05-12-2011, 05:31 PM
LaMarcus Aldridge or Zach Randolph should be ahead of Gasol. This is by far worst than Kobe over Wade for the 1st team.

gsgs49
05-12-2011, 05:37 PM
lol these 2 are not true at all. but like you said im not gonna turn this into a rose vs paul. the majority of nba fans know whos better.

This,the majority of nba fans know who's better I agree.

John Walls Era
05-12-2011, 05:40 PM
:laugh: Bargnani got 2 votes.

hard_candy
05-12-2011, 05:41 PM
Get a jump shot?


I wonder what Wade has to do to get some respect. Just more fuel for the fire.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-12-2011, 05:47 PM
lol your sounding like a homer. how can you not have the MVP on the 1st team?

So if you win one award, you should automatically be given another? Was anything in my original post off base? I posted proof of my claim, and backed it with analytical reasoning on why Kobe's year would be superior.

I was totally behind Rose winning the mvp. But this is something different. Kobe put up better numbers, against better competition, and played better defense. Please show me how I'm wrong

allSUAVE
05-12-2011, 05:49 PM
http://twitter.com/carmeloanthony/status/68792513976221697

we all laughing Melo

nolin
05-12-2011, 05:59 PM
So if you win one award, you should automatically be given another? Was anything in my original post off base? I posted proof of my claim, and backed it with analytical reasoning on why Kobe's year would be superior.

I was totally behind Rose winning the mvp. But this is something different. Kobe put up better numbers, against better competition, and played better defense. Please show me how I'm wrong

????????? where are you gettin this BS from. Better Defense ??? Better Competition??? Rose played every team Kobe played lol this isnt NCAA basketball. your making no since. and yes when you win the most valuable award there is . it would be robbery not to make 1st team.

jockrider
05-12-2011, 06:08 PM
????????? where are you gettin this BS from. Better Defense ??? Better Competition??? Rose played every team Kobe played lol this isnt NCAA basketball. your making no since. and yes when you win the most valuable award there is . it would be robbery not to make 1st team.

yes better competition because he faces those teams more times than the bulls. and mvp is just a media award if it was any more dwight would have won.

LakeShowRaider
05-12-2011, 06:10 PM
Are you guys ****ing serious?? Kobe had 25-5-5 on a 57 win team in the WESTERN CONFERENCE.

He easily belongs on the list over Wade. Come the **** on. Stop crying you damn Heat fans.

avrpatsfan
05-12-2011, 06:24 PM
Rondo over Ginobli is questionable.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-12-2011, 06:27 PM
????????? where are you gettin this BS from. Better Defense ??? Better Competition??? Rose played every team Kobe played lol this isnt NCAA basketball. your making no since. and yes when you win the most valuable award there is . it would be robbery not to make 1st team.

yes better defense. And no they do not play the same opponents and even amount of time. Kobe plays in the far superior western conference. That claim is backed up by the evidence of the west versus east records. Rose only had to play a western teams 30 times this year. Kobe has to play those teams 52 times a year. that is 22 more games that you have to play a better team, and you have to play on both sides of the ball. You cant just go against the crappy opponents and take off the night on the defense to pad your stats on offense. That's a quarter of the season where you get the best opportunity to play efficiently.

ChaseHamels
05-12-2011, 06:27 PM
We've been saying that for the last 3 years, same results. This year is an insult to the game of basketball. Don't give me Wade has bron bs because when Wade had nothing they still put Kobe of first team.

Who is "we". You've been on PSD for less than a year. This sudden UPROAR from Heat fans is disgusting. Oh and when the heat really had "nothing" they went 15-67. Its not exactly a travesty that Wade got named to the 2nd team.

nolin
05-12-2011, 06:31 PM
yes better defense. And no they do not play the same opponents and even amount of time. Kobe plays in the far superior western conference. That claim is backed up by the evidence of the west versus east records. Rose only had to play a western teams 30 times this year. Kobe has to play those teams 52 times a year. that is 22 more games that you have to place a better team and you have to play on both sides of the ball. You cant just go against the crappy opponent and take off the night on the defense to pad your stats on offense. that's a quarter of the season where you get the best opportunity to play efficiently.

ok so your saying kobe plays against better defenses? and im guessing your saying rose's numbers aren't as good vs the west right? I could be wrong but i do believe his stats were better vs the west then east. once again making your argument weak

bholly
05-12-2011, 06:43 PM
Great to see Aldridge get some love, after the horrible All-Star snub.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-12-2011, 06:57 PM
ok so your saying kobe plays against better defenses? and im guessing your saying rose's numbers aren't as good vs the west right? I could be wrong but i do believe his stats were better vs the west then east. once again making your argument weak

Please provide the evidence to your statement. If you don't wanna back up your statements, don't make a statement at all. All you do is say I am a homer, I'm a hater, my arguments are weak. But you do nothing to dispute them, prove them wrong, or backup your own claims.

D Roses Bulls
05-12-2011, 07:07 PM
he doesn't care about this crap. The only thing he is thinking of is who is up next in the ECF's. So many of us act like the players care. Its nice to be recognized, sure, but anyone on those teams cares way more about winning rings than being named to some team that fans argue over


I think he does care some what. I mean a couple years ago I know he was kind of mad about not getting MVP after having that incredible season and getting the heat to the playoffs when they won 18 games the season before.

Giraffes Rule
05-12-2011, 07:07 PM
Rondo over Ginobli is questionable.

Not really. Best player on the team with the best regular season in the west? Ginobili was very good this year.

Anyone complaining about Melo not making the list needs to actually look at the forwards ahead of him. If you can make a legitimate case for him above any of them, go ahead and do it. I don't see it.

TO Rapz
05-12-2011, 07:28 PM
Bargs got 2 votes. :laugh:

nolin
05-12-2011, 07:35 PM
Please provide the evidence to your statement. If you don't wanna back up your statements, don't make a statement at all. All you do is say I am a homer, I'm a hater, my arguments are weak. But you do nothing to dispute them, prove them wrong, or backup your own claims.

dont have to provide anything. I know the stats. you have not provided **** to prove statements

Jewelz0376
05-12-2011, 07:51 PM
Lol I'm guessing this thread is full of Heat fans whining about Wade not being 1st team...

RaidersLakers24
05-12-2011, 07:57 PM
Lol at first I was ok with hawkeye and saying how Kobe wasn't this or that anymore bit now he's taking it to far over the past couple of weeks he's been really putting down Kobe and it's a shame same with heat fans! It's all good Kobe deserved to be first team all NBA (not defensively though) but still just like Kobe said when someone asked him a question if his career was almost over and he said something like no and I'll be back next year mother ****ers to prove all you wrong...(like always)

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-12-2011, 08:12 PM
dont have to provide anything. I know the stats. you have not provided **** to prove statements

If you know the stats, then why are you arguing with me? Like I said, Kobe put up better numbers, against better teams more frequently. 9 teams in the east finished 500 or worse. Including the 7th and 8th seed. That means they played 6 teams with winning records. And one of those 6 was barely 2 games over 500. And that was the no defence playing Knicks.The Bulls play 2/3 of their season against that junk. Don't try to deny its not easier to put up good numbers against weaker teams. Common sense tells you that. And with that being the undeniable case, no way Rose should have worse numbers than a 15th year in the league, 32 year old Kobe.

Rose won the MVP, which he deserved. But that does not mean he had a better year than Kobe.

Gibby23
05-12-2011, 08:23 PM
he doesn't care about this crap. The only thing he is thinking of is who is up next in the ECF's. So many of us act like the players care. Its nice to be recognized, sure, but anyone on those teams cares way more about winning rings than being named to some team that fans argue over

Just like some people act like they know what players care about. You don't know what Wade or anyother NBA players care about. For all we know, they can't wait till the game ends so they can go hit up the club and go get a bj.

Sixerlover
05-12-2011, 08:31 PM
As long as Kobe is in the league he's going to be 1st team all NBA just like 1st team all defense. It's legacy at this point.

Phenomenonsense
05-12-2011, 08:39 PM
Either forward over Dirk on the first team is a snub to him. Dirk has been better than Durant recently.

Purple&Gold24
05-12-2011, 08:41 PM
Kobe will show you all next season why he should be 1st team :D

DaBear
05-12-2011, 08:45 PM
The first team looks right.

BklynKnicks3
05-12-2011, 08:49 PM
how is melo not on all 3rd team clowns

Hangtime
05-12-2011, 08:53 PM
I am fine with the first team.

Giraffes Rule
05-12-2011, 08:59 PM
how is melo not on all 3rd team clowns

Prove that he deserves to be there over the other forwards ahead of him then.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 09:08 PM
Just like some people act like they know what players care about. You don't know what Wade or anyother NBA players care about. For all we know, they can't wait till the game ends so they can go hit up the club and go get a bj.

please dude. Your mancrush Kobe is a perfect example. Do you really think he cares about making 1st team all defense, and 1st team all NBA, when he just got sent home? Hell no. Players that have the ability to make 1st team anything are in it for rings. Sure I am only assuming this, but the best of the best do it to win, not for a bunch of hardware that they can hire a maid to shine.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 09:11 PM
I agree Wade should have been on the first team, but why should he only replace Kobe? He and Rose had an identical year. Add to the fact that Kobe did it in a much tougher conference against tougher opponents. Add that to the fact that this is his 15th year in the league. You get the respect and the benefit of the doubt when you have done it for that long. Rose should be on the second team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2011&p2=rosede01&y2=2011

very similar. Rose had a higher number of win shares, WS/48, Ofrtg, and led the better regular season team.

That is why he belongs on the 1st team over Kobe

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 09:12 PM
1st team should have been

Rose
Wade
LeBron
Dirk
Howard

Feel free to debate it.

beasted86
05-12-2011, 09:15 PM
creative, leading ur team as the number 1 option attracting more double teams & focus from the opposing teams defenses while still doing what he does best

if Kobe had Lebron next to him he could score whenever he wanted to, that's why wade is 2nd team & Kobes 1st but it doesn't matter bout any opinions cuz the fact is it's already in the record books despite the hate

So how did that work when Kobe played with Prime Shaq?

Kobe plays the way that he plays. Doesn't matter who he is playing with. His efficiency will not go up or down. His assists will not drastically go up or down. He's the same Kobe, just a step slower because of age and offseason knee surgery. Time for the media to give Wade his due diligence as he's outplayed Kobe this season.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 09:18 PM
I find it absolutely hilarious that some try and put Kobe over Wade with the reasoning that Wade played with LeBron and Bosh. If we are going to measure roster support for players, Kobe will take a dump on anyone over the past 15 years, outside arguing maybe Timmy.

Its such a Catch-22 for some of you, who don't have the intelligence to realize you are throwing double standards out there. You now crucify LeBron, Wade, and Bosh for having help, while completely ignoring the fact that Kobe and Duncan have played with exponentially more help than any player in the last 15 years on a consistent basis.

Think before you post. If you can't bother to put forth a rational argument, stick to your team forums.

Bulls_fan90
05-12-2011, 09:19 PM
Glad Kobe got in over Wade, he was far more deserving.

WHODAT8o8
05-12-2011, 09:20 PM
No melo?

tyfreaks brotha
05-12-2011, 09:24 PM
Kobe.... First team?? :laugh:

Sportfan
05-12-2011, 09:27 PM
Perkins had more votes than Bosh :laugh:


Wade isn't the snub here, Paul is. How Paul is on 3rd team is beyond me, he should at the very least be 2nd team (should take Kobe's spot too)

Sadds The Gr8
05-12-2011, 09:30 PM
Bargnani getting 2 votes is a bigger travesty than Kobe over Wade on the 1st team. Who the **** gave Bargnani's parents the eligibility to vote?

KingPosey
05-12-2011, 09:51 PM
I agree Wade should have been on the first team, but why should he only replace Kobe? He and Rose had an identical year. Add to the fact that Kobe did it in a much tougher conference against tougher opponents. Add that to the fact that this is his 15th year in the league. You get the respect and the benefit of the doubt when you have done it for that long. Rose should be on the second team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2011&p2=rosede01&y2=2011i dont think they had an identical year. I think one was clearly more efficient during the season.

KingPosey
05-12-2011, 09:53 PM
lol your sounding like a homer. how can you not have the MVP on the 1st team?

because one is the person most valuable to their team, and one isnt. You could also ask how can CP3 or DWILL not be on the 1st team, because they are clearly the 2 best PGs in basketball. And then Rose wouldnt be there, and you would cry.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-12-2011, 09:55 PM
very similar. Rose had a higher number of win shares, WS/48, Ofrtg, and led the better regular season team.

That is why he belongs on the 1st team over Kobe

Like I said, obtaining win shares should be easy when you're playing the sisters of mercy. Competition has to be taken into consideration when you judge players and how they performed. If a high school jv player, has slightly better numbers than the varsity player, who do you think is a better player? The player that plays against better competition right?

And if offensive rating, win shares per 48, and a better record, are all that you are required to have in order to be named to the first team, Pau should be over Kevin Durant. Pau clearly out played him this year. Wouldn't you agree

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gasolpa01&y1=2011&p2=duranke01&y2=2011

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 09:59 PM
Like I said, obtaining win shares should be easy when you're playing the sisters of mercy. Competition has to be taken into consideration when you judge players and how they performed. If I high school jv player, has slightly better numbers than the varsity player, who do you think is a better player? The player that plays against better competition right?

And if offensive rating, win shares per 48, and a better record, are all that you are required to have in order to be named to the first team, Pau should be over Kevin Durant. Pau clearly out played him this year. Wouldn't you agree

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gasolpa01&y1=2011&p2=duranke01&y2=2011

exactly right, which is the culprit of Kobe's high win shares as he has declined....

the rest of your post is pure excuses.

valade16
05-12-2011, 10:05 PM
Like I said, obtaining win shares should be easy when you're playing the sisters of mercy. Competition has to be taken into consideration when you judge players and how they performed. If a high school jv player, has slightly better numbers than the varsity player, who do you think is a better player? The player that plays against better competition right?

And if offensive rating, win shares per 48, and a better record, are all that you are required to have in order to be named to the first team, Pau should be over Kevin Durant. Pau clearly out played him this year. Wouldn't you agree

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gasolpa01&y1=2011&p2=duranke01&y2=2011

The problem with your ridiculous theory is the Bulls beat the crap out of the "Varsity" conference.

They went 23-7 vs the west and 11-5 vs west playoff teams.

That equates to 63 wins vs the west and 56 wins vs the west playoff teams over a season.

Nice try though. Rose deserved it over Kobe.

KnicksR4Real
05-12-2011, 10:12 PM
where the **** is melo, i thought he was gonna be second team. but he aint nowhere

Baller1
05-12-2011, 10:14 PM
where the **** is melo, i thought he was gonna be second team. but he aint nowhere

Too many great forwards this year.

Hawkeye15
05-12-2011, 10:14 PM
to Knick fans searching for Melo. He put the Nuggets season in complete media frenzy, made it all about him, and even when he came to the Knicks, did nothing outside being Melo. A high scoring wing who just shoots a lot.

In my opinion, he shouldn't have made any of the 3 teams. Sorry

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-12-2011, 10:47 PM
[QUOTE]exactly right, which is the culprit of Kobe's high win shares as he has declined....

What does that even mean?

the rest of your post is pure excuses.



How is it excuses? By showing that Pau had more win shares/48, better offensive rating, and a better team than Durant is making excuses? That was your argument for Rose. At least be fair across the board.

You neglected the fact that Kobe has a higher PER, EFG%, TRB%, STL%, and Turn over %, scored more points, grabbed more rebounds, shot a better field goal%, all that in 3 and a half less minutes per game. Add that to the fact that he has done that for 15 years, while playing against better opponents more frequently, its not even a debate. Also, Kobe holds his opposition to a PER of 11.8, and Rose holds his opposing PG to 13.2 according to 82games.com. That with the leagues best defense behind him to clean up his mess.

First team should be

Wade
Bryant
James
Dirk
Howard

mweb08
05-12-2011, 10:47 PM
I think Rose is quite overrated so I'd actually have Wade on the team over him.

I'd go with:

Wade
Kobe
James
Dirk
Howard

Paul
Rose
Durant
Gasol
Amare

Westbrook
Manu
Randolph
Aldridge
Duncan

If there was a 4th team:

Williams
Nash
Love
Griffin
Horford

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-12-2011, 10:56 PM
The problem with your ridiculous theory is the Bulls beat the crap out of the "Varsity" conference.

They went 23-7 vs the west and 11-5 vs west playoff teams.

That equates to 63 wins vs the west and 56 wins vs the west playoff teams over a season.

Nice try though. Rose deserved it over Kobe.

What are you trying to prove by posting the Bulls record? Should the Bulls be All first team? Its not a debate on how the Bulls performed against the west. And that only equates to 30 games. That does not change the fact that he played against the worst competition the league had to offer for minimum 40 games. Kobe only had 20 games against the bottom of the East. If you wanted to perform well, would you rather play a good offensive and defensive team, where you would have to play hard on both ends of the floor? Or would you rather go into a game seeing a roster full of player that could not even crack the 15 man rotation for a team in the west? And not get a break because the team you played before and the team you play after, are just as good. Having to play that type of depth, leaves you tired, mentally and physically. Common sense says that you are going to have more success against the junk. Am I right or am I right?

Bruno
05-12-2011, 11:02 PM
Bryants 9th First team selection.

"Kareem Abdul-Jabbar holds the record for the most total selections with fifteen.[3] Karl Malone and Shaquille O'Neal follow with fourteen total honors, Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant with thirteen total honors,[3] and Dolph Schayes, Bob Cousy, Jerry West and Hakeem Olajuwon with twelve selections.[3] Malone has the most All-NBA first team honors with eleven, while Cousy, Bob Pettit, Elgin Baylor, West, Abdul-Jabbar and Michael Jordan are all tied for second-most with ten"

lakeshow3peat
05-12-2011, 11:03 PM
D Wade over Kobe lol what a joke i mean i like D wade and I do think he is the best player on the heat but stop hating he deserved it so respect it . I say D Wade should be on there instead of Lebron but of course different position but he is the leader on that team .

Rose-For-Prez
05-12-2011, 11:12 PM
Wow most of the heat fans are Whiners I think this list looks pretty good i mean its a tossup at Forward for 1st team but I like it

Gibby23
05-12-2011, 11:47 PM
please dude. Your mancrush Kobe is a perfect example. Do you really think he cares about making 1st team all defense, and 1st team all NBA, when he just got sent home? Hell no. Players that have the ability to make 1st team anything are in it for rings. Sure I am only assuming this, but the best of the best do it to win, not for a bunch of hardware that they can hire a maid to shine.

Lol... Talking about man crush, you had one on Al Jeffesrson not to long ago. Like you said you are assuming, so don't type things as fact. You shoot down what others assume, but it's ok for you to do it...lol... Good luvk with the Wolves bro..

THE MTL
05-13-2011, 12:05 AM
Westbrook over Chris Paul? Aldridge/Randolph over Carmelo Anthony & Paul Pierce? Pau Gasol on the list?????

Durant is hype
05-13-2011, 12:08 AM
MY ALL NBA TEAMS:
All NBA First Team: Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Derrick Rose
All NBA Second Team: Pau Gasol, Amare Stoudemire, Kevin Durant, Kobe Bryant, Russell Westbrook
All NBA Third Team: Al Horford, LaMarcus Aldridge, Luol Deng, Manu Ginobli, Chris Paul

jerellh528
05-13-2011, 12:37 AM
I don't really care what they are going off of quite frankly. Even before the advanced stats movement I didn't agree with some of the selections.

OF COURSE they go off reputation. So does every sport. Which is why the teams are rarely correct.

To the people who are slow to grasp and embrace the advanced stats movement, I hope you realize every team in the NBA now employs these so called, "stat geeks", and the teams who seem to do the best job of winning trades and drafing typically have the top stat guys working for them.

Says...you? :facepalm: I guess you know more than the people who are actually in place to make the roster of all nba teams.

jerellh528
05-13-2011, 12:38 AM
Westbrook over Chris Paul? Aldridge/Randolph over Carmelo Anthony & Paul Pierce? Pau Gasol on the list?????

omg if you have a problem with gasol on second team you obviously didnt pay attention to basketball during the regular season

jerellh528
05-13-2011, 12:40 AM
[quote=hawkeye15;17874382]

what does that even mean?




How is it excuses? By showing that pau had more win shares/48, better offensive rating, and a better team than durant is making excuses? That was your argument for rose. At least be fair across the board.

You neglected the fact that kobe has a higher per, efg%, trb%, stl%, and turn over %, scored more points, grabbed more rebounds, shot a better field goal%, all that in 3 and a half less minutes per game. Add that to the fact that he has done that for 15 years, while playing against better opponents more frequently, its not even a debate. Also, kobe holds his opposition to a per of 11.8, and rose holds his opposing pg to 13.2 according to 82games.com. That with the leagues best defense behind him to clean up his mess.

First team should be

wade
bryant
james
dirk
howard

+1&1/2

Bruno
05-13-2011, 03:03 AM
I just realized that Paul isn't on the second team. :facepalm:

Phenomenonsense
05-13-2011, 03:04 AM
MY ALL NBA TEAMS:
All NBA First Team: Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Derrick Rose
All NBA Second Team: Pau Gasol, Amare Stoudemire, Kevin Durant, Kobe Bryant, Russell Westbrook
All NBA Third Team: Al Horford, LaMarcus Aldridge, Luol Deng, Manu Ginobli, Chris Paul

Quoted for truth, except maybe Pau and Westbrook being switched to the 3rd team for LA and Paul respectively.

alencp3
05-13-2011, 03:10 AM
Where the ***** is Blake Griffin ???????

Bruno
05-13-2011, 03:15 AM
All you guys disappointed over Kobe making the first-team should have known better. He made the first-team last year with a PER of 21.9, which was good enough for 13th in the league (David Lee was 12th :shrug::laugh2:). And he still made it; not only that, but he was a nearly unanimous selection. Call it the finals MVP discount, whatever- he was nearly unanimous despite an injury plagued, below average season.

This year he played all 82 games, was top 5 in PER (higher than Paul, Durant, Rose, Dirk) and his team put up a pretty good record. Of corse he was gona make it.

Hats of to Wade, he's had a great year and is no doubt deserving.

ttam68
05-13-2011, 07:21 AM
Its sad that Horford is all NBA considering his constant disappearing act

valade16
05-13-2011, 12:25 PM
What are you trying to prove by posting the Bulls record? Should the Bulls be All first team? Its not a debate on how the Bulls performed against the west. And that only equates to 30 games. That does not change the fact that he played against the worst competition the league had to offer for minimum 40 games. Kobe only had 20 games against the bottom of the East. If you wanted to perform well, would you rather play a good offensive and defensive team, where you would have to play hard on both ends of the floor? Or would you rather go into a game seeing a roster full of player that could not even crack the 15 man rotation for a team in the west? And not get a break because the team you played before and the team you play after, are just as good. Having to play that type of depth, leaves you tired, mentally and physically. Common sense says that you are going to have more success against the junk. Am I right or am I right?

You said Rose's #'s are good because he beat up on the JV teams, I showed he beat up on the Varsity league Kobe had to go through.

And your numbers on the weak teams are funny because you just threw numbers out there, I looked at their schedules and tallied their record vs the worst teams in the league (east: Milwaukie; detroit; charolette; cleveland; washington; toronto; and NJ. West: Minnesota; Sacramento; LA Clippers; and Golden State). Those were the 11 worst teams by record and all had 36 wins or less.

Lakers: 24-6
Bulls: 30-6

So it wasn't 40/20 it was 36:30. Kobe played a WHOPPING 6 less games against the worst teams...

Your argument doesn't hold water.

pebloemer
05-13-2011, 01:36 PM
Where the ***** is Blake Griffin ???????

Probably golfing since mid-April.

The Miami Cheat
05-13-2011, 01:56 PM
no melo?