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FOBolous
05-09-2011, 08:33 AM
just out of curiosity...has there? and i'm not talking about winning another one in a row...i'm talking about getting swept by another team before they reached the finals...or even the conference finals...with their core intact.

JordansBulls
05-09-2011, 08:47 AM
just out of curiosity...has there?

Houston in 1996 got swept by the Sonics, but the Sonics had HCA.

Sixers in 1984 lost in round 1 after winning it all in 1983 and they lost in round 1 with HCA losing every home game.

Havoc Wreaker
05-09-2011, 09:03 AM
The Miami team that won the championship got swept in the first round the next year...

gsgs49
05-09-2011, 09:04 AM
Houston in 1996 got swept by the Sonics, but the Sonics had HCA.

Sixers in 1984 lost in round 1 after winning it all in 1983 and they lost in round 1 with HCA losing every home game.

And the Heat? they got swept by the bulls in the first round in 2007 I believe.

Big Zo
05-09-2011, 09:07 AM
At least the Heat had the age and injury excuse.

FOBolous
05-09-2011, 09:15 AM
The Miami team that won the championship got swept in the first round the next year...

but the Heat team that got swept was not the same team that won the championship the year before. THIS year's LA team was pretty much the EXACT same team that won the championship two years before.

Lancelot
05-09-2011, 09:55 AM
This is not a new revelation for Kobe's lakers. They now have a long documented history of quitting and getting blown in out playoff elimination games:

2003 - Game 7 against the spurs lose by 28 points
2004 - a blowout series loss to Detroit in the finals. In game 5 lose by 13 points
2006 - Game 7 against the suns lose by 31 points
2008 - Game 7 against the celtics in the finals - lose by 39 points
2011 - Game 4 against the mavs - lose by 36 points

That's 5 series in which kobe's lakers have absolutely quit, especially in the elimination game. It's arguable that they had more talent in every one of those series as well.

Facts don't lie. there have always been effort and team unity issues on this team. IT goes back 8 years. When the going gets tough, they hit the road.

Hellcrooner
05-09-2011, 09:57 AM
Both Defeats against Rockets in the ONLY two year lakers werent in the finals in the 80s were more shameful than this.

Max Power
05-09-2011, 10:20 AM
In 91 the Bulls destroyed the Pistons almost as bad as the Mavs did the Lakers.

And the Pistons were even more classless in defeat than the Lakers were.

Tarheels23
05-09-2011, 10:25 AM
This is not a new revelation for Kobe's lakers. They now have a long documented history of quitting and getting blown in out playoff elimination games:

2003 - Game 7 against the spurs lose by 28 points
2004 - a blowout series loss to Detroit in the finals. In game 5 lose by 13 points
2006 - Game 7 against the suns lose by 31 points
2008 - Game 7 against the celtics in the finals - lose by 39 points
2011 - Game 4 against the mavs - lose by 36 points

That's 5 series in which kobe's lakers have absolutely quit, especially in the elimination game. It's arguable that they had more talent in every one of those series as well.

Facts don't lie. there have always been effort and team unity issues on this team. IT goes back 8 years. When the going gets tough, they hit the road.

Lakers are front-runners. What do you expect?

BigCityofDreams
05-09-2011, 10:55 AM
This is not a new revelation for Kobe's lakers. They now have a long documented history of quitting and getting blown in out playoff elimination games:

2003 - Game 7 against the spurs lose by 28 points
2004 - a blowout series loss to Detroit in the finals. In game 5 lose by 13 points
2006 - Game 7 against the suns lose by 31 points
2008 - Game 7 against the celtics in the finals - lose by 39 points
2011 - Game 4 against the mavs - lose by 36 points

That's 5 series in which kobe's lakers have absolutely quit, especially in the elimination game. It's arguable that they had more talent in every one of those series as well.

Facts don't lie. there have always been effort and team unity issues on this team. IT goes back 8 years. When the going gets tough, they hit the road.

And through all of that they still won 5 rings

RaiderLakersA's
05-09-2011, 10:59 AM
just out of curiosity...has there?

Yes.

And yes, championship teams that have repeated have failed to make it back the 3rd year. It happens.

But we'll be back in the championship hunt before Kobe retires. Count on it.

LakersIn5
05-09-2011, 11:07 AM
atleast they were able to defend their championship last season unlike most teams who cant even win back to back

AnalyzeNShoot
05-09-2011, 11:19 AM
C,mon two time Back to back champs. This heppens. May be they werent hungry enuff lack motivation. Dont think they need to trade anyone but get rid of fisher and ron artrest.

Get better bench they should be contending next yr... No biggie

SP17
05-09-2011, 11:20 AM
This is not a new revelation for Kobe's lakers. They now have a long documented history of quitting and getting blown in out playoff elimination games:

2003 - Game 7 against the spurs lose by 28 points
2004 - a blowout series loss to Detroit in the finals. In game 5 lose by 13 points
2006 - Game 7 against the suns lose by 31 points
2008 - Game 7 against the celtics in the finals - lose by 39 points
2011 - Game 4 against the mavs - lose by 36 points

That's 5 series in which kobe's lakers have absolutely quit, especially in the elimination game. It's arguable that they had more talent in every one of those series as well.

Facts don't lie. there have always been effort and team unity issues on this team. IT goes back 8 years. When the going gets tough, they hit the road.

OMG! did you know who were kobe's teammate compare to nash at that time? :facepalm: Celtics had more talent also.. They have KG,Pierce and Allen,those 3 were younger at that time and they had a pretty solid bench..As for the mavs lakers maybe top heavy as regards to starters but the bench is plain awful as compare to mavs. so what are you smoking?

RVN671
05-09-2011, 11:28 AM
*team that swept them in parentheses

1989 - Lakers (Pistons)
1991 - Pistons (Bulls)
1996 - Rockets (Sonics)
2007 - Heat (Bulls)
2011 - Lakers (Mavericks)

daboywonder2002
05-09-2011, 11:40 AM
94-95 rockets got swept my the sonics. Lets not forget this was the same sonic team that was known for losing in the playoffs in the first round(to nuggets, then lakers)

06 heat got swept by the bulls.

KingPosey
05-09-2011, 11:40 AM
Its funny how everyone is on Artest's *** to be traded. Down the stretch of the season, and through the playoffs, he was the least of LAs problems, unitl he wiffed a dunk that is.

FOBolous
05-09-2011, 11:59 AM
Yes.

And yes, championship teams that have repeated have failed to make it back the 3rd year. It happens.

But we'll be back in the championship hunt before Kobe retires. Count on it.

it's not about not being able to repeat...it's about getting swept before they reached the finals...or even the conference finals.

RaiderLakersA's
05-09-2011, 12:15 PM
it's not about not being able to repeat...it's about getting swept before they reached the finals...or even the conference finals.

In any event, the question has been answered. Yes, it has happened. And in every instance it was pretty damn pathetic.

That said, better to have been a championship team to be swept the following season than to never have been a championship team at all. :rolleyes:

miller74
05-09-2011, 12:24 PM
Houston in 1996 got swept by the Sonics, but the Sonics had HCA.

Sixers in 1984 lost in round 1 after winning it all in 1983 and they lost in round 1 with HCA losing every home game.

The crowd noise of Shawn Kemps 35 children was overwhelming for the Rockets

JordansBulls
05-09-2011, 12:28 PM
*team that swept them in parentheses

1989 - Lakers (Pistons)
1991 - Pistons (Bulls)
1996 - Rockets (Sonics)
2007 - Heat (Bulls)
2011 - Lakers (Mavericks)

Only the Lakers had HCA though.

Lancelot
05-09-2011, 12:40 PM
And through all of that they still won 5 rings

actually, during the timeline I listed they won 2 and outright quit 5 times, missed the playoffs once.

BigCityofDreams
05-09-2011, 12:43 PM
actually, during the timeline I listed they won 2 and outright quit 5 times, missed the playoffs once.

I don't care it still doesn't take away from what they did.

RaiderLakersA's
05-09-2011, 12:43 PM
Only the Lakers had HCA though.

So which is a worse collapse? To play so terribly that you don't get HCA in the playoffs, or to have HCA? A collapse is a collapse, but if the criteria is achievement and not expectation, then my hunch is that it's worse for a team to follow up a championship year by not having HCA to begin with, if we're truly talking about successes and failures, and not the curious slant of lofty expectations which pervade this thread.

Lancelot
05-09-2011, 12:46 PM
they have a lot of 30+ point blowouts in elimination games. that's not just being outmatched. that's a documented history of QUITTING, many times before halftime. I never saw a Jordan team do that, never saw a Bird team do that. The character of the team and its leaders is very questionable.

hgtiger32
05-09-2011, 01:00 PM
This is not a new revelation for Kobe's lakers. They now have a long documented history of quitting and getting blown in out playoff elimination games:

2003 - Game 7 against the spurs lose by 28 points
2004 - a blowout series loss to Detroit in the finals. In game 5 lose by 13 points
2006 - Game 7 against the suns lose by 31 points
2008 - Game 7 against the celtics in the finals - lose by 39 points2011 - Game 4 against the mavs - lose by 36 points

That's 5 series in which kobe's lakers have absolutely quit, especially in the elimination game. It's arguable that they had more talent in every one of those series as well.

Facts don't lie. there have always been effort and team unity issues on this team. IT goes back 8 years. When the going gets tough, they hit the road.

that was in game 6, not game 7. plus Boston did what they had to. they won a game in LA

daboywonder2002
05-09-2011, 01:28 PM
94-95 rockets lost to the sonics. and this was a sonics team that was known for choking in the 1st round(to nuggets, then lakers)

06 heat lost to the bulls.

and why are we using the age and injury excuse for that heat squad. yet the last time i checked. the lakers aren't exactly a young team either. Also kobe im sure has been playing banged up for years. So if you ask me, there are no excuses. The better team won. point blank

Chronz
05-09-2011, 01:42 PM
but the Heat team that got swept was not the same team that won the championship the year before. THIS year's LA team was pretty much the EXACT same team that won the championship two years before.
Whats so different about that Heat team?

AllBall
05-09-2011, 01:50 PM
Whats so different about that Heat team?

Wade dislocated shoulder, UD and Payton injured.

whitemamba33
05-09-2011, 01:57 PM
Wade dislocated shoulder, UD and Payton injured.

lol yup, and i'm sure Kobe and the gang were all 100%...

:eyebrow:

AllBall
05-09-2011, 02:18 PM
lol yup, and i'm sure Kobe and the gang were all 100%...

:eyebrow:

Calm down bro. Just answering his question. It was a steady decline at that point..............

Chronz
05-09-2011, 02:24 PM
Wade dislocated shoulder, UD and Payton injured.

So it was the same players

Chronz
05-09-2011, 02:33 PM
lol yup, and i'm sure Kobe and the gang were all 100%...

:eyebrow:

Is anyone 100% come playoff time?

Bruno
05-09-2011, 02:35 PM
Seven defending champions have been swept out of the playoffs. So, yes. Multiple times.

AllBall
05-09-2011, 02:37 PM
So it was the same players

http://tinyurl.com/3e9tfvl

shep33
05-09-2011, 02:37 PM
Seven defending champions have been swept out of the playoffs. So, yes. Multiple times.

This... Magic Johnson's Lakers got swept twice believe. It has happend before

Bruno
05-09-2011, 02:38 PM
I don't think people realize how hard it is to make it to the finals four years in a row. It's been done twice since the 1960's Celtics (80's Lakers and Celtics both went four years in a row, both only winning two out of the four trips).

This is an outline of back-to-back champions, and the "quest to three-peat":

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=584152

BigCityofDreams
05-09-2011, 02:39 PM
But Jordan never got swept so it doesn't count :rolleyes:

Chronz
05-09-2011, 02:49 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3e9tfvl

So you agree

JordansBulls
05-09-2011, 02:54 PM
So which is a worse collapse? To play so terribly that you don't get HCA in the playoffs, or to have HCA? A collapse is a collapse, but if the criteria is achievement and not expectation, then my hunch is that it's worse for a team to follow up a championship year by not having HCA to begin with, if we're truly talking about successes and failures, and not the curious slant of lofty expectations which pervade this thread.

The team that was expected to win.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/matchup/_/teams/mavericks-lakers
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/playoffs/secondround/dallal


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=SummerForecast10-NBAChamps

1. LA Lakers - 52 votes
2. Miami Heat - 34 votes
3. Orlando Magic - 5 votes
4. Boston Celtics - 1 vote
5. Oklahoma City - 1 vote


---------------------------------------------------------
2011 LA Lakers
57-25
SRS: 6.01 (3rd of 30) ? Pace: 90.7 (21st of 30)
Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30) ? Def Rtg: 104.3 (6th of 30)
Expected W-L: 58-24 (3rd of 30)
---------------------------------------------------------

2011 Dallas Mavericks
57-25
SRS: 4.41 (8th of 30) ? Pace: 91.3 (18th of 30)
Off Rtg: 109.7 (8th of 30) ? Def Rtg: 105.0 (8th of 30)
Expected W-L: 53-29 (8th of 30)


Mavs were missing Butler the entire series as well.

Lakers had a higher SRS rating (6.01 to 4.41) and Point Differential (6.1 to 4.2).
LA had a higher Expected W-L record and had a higher Off Rtg and Def Rtg

lakersfan211
05-09-2011, 03:15 PM
WOW, ppl just love talking about the Lakers, it's all envy, theirs only one team that has more titles than us and that's boston and the rest of the teams are way behind us and they will never catch up, yeah we got swept by a better team but the envy ppl have against the Lakers is pathetic .

lakersfan211
05-09-2011, 03:16 PM
All and All congrats Dallas, y'all earned it .

RaiderLakersA's
05-09-2011, 03:43 PM
The team that was expected to win.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/matchup/_/teams/mavericks-lakers
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/playoffs/secondround/dallal


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=SummerForecast10-NBAChamps

1. LA Lakers - 52 votes
2. Miami Heat - 34 votes
3. Orlando Magic - 5 votes
4. Boston Celtics - 1 vote
5. Oklahoma City - 1 vote


---------------------------------------------------------
2011 LA Lakers
57-25
SRS: 6.01 (3rd of 30) ? Pace: 90.7 (21st of 30)
Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30) ? Def Rtg: 104.3 (6th of 30)
Expected W-L: 58-24 (3rd of 30)
---------------------------------------------------------

2011 Dallas Mavericks
57-25
SRS: 4.41 (8th of 30) ? Pace: 91.3 (18th of 30)
Off Rtg: 109.7 (8th of 30) ? Def Rtg: 105.0 (8th of 30)
Expected W-L: 53-29 (8th of 30)


Mavs were missing Butler the entire series as well.

Lakers had a higher SRS rating (6.01 to 4.41) and Point Differential (6.1 to 4.2).
LA had a higher Expected W-L record and had a higher Off Rtg and Def Rtg

At the end of the day, all that really says is that people were wrong in their predictions, including the leaders of our team who felt that we could get back and send out PJ with one last bling. Sorry if the Lakers disappointed so many. :eyebrow: :D

The outcome of the Mavs series doesn't surprise me. I've been a Lakers fan long enough to have seen us lose playoff series dating back to before the Showtime Lakers era. Maybe this will shake off the bandwagoners, but the true fans will remain. We haven't lost our perspective, even though many others clearly have. You win some, you lose some, but a 2-time defending champion doesn't have a reason to hang their heads for very long. I don't care how badly they lost or to whom.

whitemamba33
05-09-2011, 05:36 PM
Is anyone 100% come playoff time?

Nope. And that's my point. Saying the Miami team was different because of a few injuries is weak. The Lakers faced those problems, every team does.

whitemamba33
05-09-2011, 05:41 PM
Calm down bro. Just answering his question. It was a steady decline at that point..............

Calm down bro, i'm just telling you why the Lakers are no different.

SportsAndrew25
05-09-2011, 09:03 PM
To see a champion go down the way the Lakers did is unprecedented.

KnicksR4Real
05-09-2011, 09:11 PM
Th Mavs got raped by the Warriors

Jewelz0376
05-09-2011, 09:55 PM
You be surprised how many teams that won the title the previous year got swept the next year if you look at history...

If you mean the combination of getting swept, blown out in elimination game, and lo/bynums fouls (more so bynum) then yea this is one of the worst I've seen

FlashMacker
05-09-2011, 10:15 PM
After the Heat won it they got swept the next year by the Bulls

shep33
05-09-2011, 10:43 PM
After the Heat won it they got swept the next year by the Bulls

In the first round too, and I believe they were the higher seed. But so did LA with Magic Johnson twice! The Rockets with Hakeem and Clyde, a bunch more actually.

ElMarroAfamado
05-10-2011, 01:46 AM
haha these threads are funny

gatkins11
05-10-2011, 01:57 AM
Th Mavs got raped by the Warriors

How is that relevant?