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JordansBulls
05-03-2011, 05:42 PM
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/05/03/mvp-award/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1




Player, Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total Points
Derrick Rose, Chicago 113 6 2 -- -- 1182
Dwight Howard, Orlando 3 57 31 16 11 643
LeBron James, Miami 4 26 39 31 12 522
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 1 18 32 40 12 428
Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 6 10 20 38 190
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas -- 5 3 11 30 113
Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 1 1 2 6 24
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio -- 2 -- -- 6 20
Amar'e Stoudemire, New York -- -- 1 -- 4 9
Blake Griffin, L.A. Clippers -- -- 1 -- -- 5
Rajon Rondo, Boston -- -- 1 -- -- 5
Tony Parker, San Antonio -- -- -- 1 -- 3
Chris Paul, New Orleans -- -- -- -- 2 2





http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/mvp.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2011.html#mvp



Player Age Tm First Pts Won Share
1 Derrick Rose 22 CHI 113 1182 0.977
2 Dwight Howard 25 ORL 3 643 0.531
3 LeBron James 26 MIA 4 522 0.431
4 Kobe Bryant 32 LAL 1 428 0.354
5 Kevin Durant 22 OKC 0 190 0.157
6 Dirk Nowitzki 32 DAL 0 113 0.093
7 Dwyane Wade 29 MIA 0 24 0.02
8 Manu Ginobili 33 SAS 0 20 0.017
9 Amare Stoudemire28 NYK 0 9 0.007
10 Blake Griffin 21 LAC 0 5 0.004
10 Rajon Rondo 24 BOS 0 5 0.004
12 Tony Parker 28 SAS 0 3 0.002
13 Chris Paul 25 NOH 0 2 0.002



So I assumme all NBA first team is

G Rose
G Kobe
F Durant
F Lebron
C Dwight

KnicksR4Real
05-03-2011, 05:57 PM
i dont think so. but the second team should feature amare and melo

jzero
05-03-2011, 06:01 PM
rose>wade?
you have got to be kidding me

JordansBulls
05-03-2011, 07:35 PM
rose>wade?
you have got to be kidding me

He finished 7th in MVP voting this year.

jockrider
05-03-2011, 07:38 PM
first team imo

wade
kobe
lebron
durant
dwight

valade16
05-03-2011, 07:42 PM
rose>wade?
you have got to be kidding me

Yeah, they'll leave the MVP off the first team. :rolleyes:

Iodine
05-03-2011, 07:48 PM
rose>wade?
you have got to be kidding me

................
I love Wade and don't think Rose should have gotten MVP but still......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3htU3NTqMQs

Bruno
05-03-2011, 07:55 PM
Interesting. We'll see if the people who decide use this as a baramoter for the first team selections.

davids22
05-03-2011, 08:01 PM
Rose is the MVP but there's no way in hell he's a better basketball player then D-Wade. MVP simply means most valuable to your team (as in if that player was not on the team, the team would be no where near as good). Not having Lebron or Wade on the Heat, and the Heat is still a decent team. Which is why my first team NBA would be

G-Wade
G-Kobe
F-Lebron
F-Durant
C-Howard

Baller1
05-03-2011, 08:07 PM
I'd put Wade over Kobe on the first team, buy other then that I agree.

Bruno
05-03-2011, 08:11 PM
Nice to see Bryant finish top five in MVP voting for the ninth time in the past ten years. I was also glad to see Howard finish second.

210Don
05-03-2011, 08:27 PM
tony and manu in there wtf lol

Lil Half Dead
05-03-2011, 10:04 PM
rose>wade?
you have got to be kidding me

You're only kidding yourself.

Cano4prez
05-03-2011, 10:12 PM
He finished 7th in MVP voting this year.

MVP doesn't equal best player, Wade is still better than Rose at this point in their careers.



Yeah, they'll leave the MVP off the first team. :rolleyes:

It's happened before

davids22
05-04-2011, 12:10 AM
MVP doesn't equal best player, Wade is still better than Rose at this point in their careers.




It's happened before

This. Why don't people understand this?

Slimsim
05-04-2011, 12:30 AM
ROSE
WADE
LBJ
AMAre
Howard

Iggz53
05-04-2011, 12:50 AM
I don't see how Kobe deserves NBA 1st-Team over Rose

I would do:

Rose
Wade
LeBron
Nowitzki
Dwight

davids22
05-04-2011, 01:00 AM
I don't see how Kobe deserves NBA 1st-Team over Rose

I would do:

Rose
Wade
LeBron
Nowitzki
Dwight

You could make a case for either.

Derrick Rose 2010-2011 Stats
25.0 PPG, 7.7 APG, 4.1 RPG, .445 FG%

Kobe Bryant 2010-2011 Stats
25.3 PPG, 4.7 APG, 5.1 RPG, .451 FG%

Dwyane Wade 2010-2011 Stats
25.5 PPG, 4.6 APG, 6.4 RPG, .500 FG%

Kobe's higher point and rebound total could be offset by Rose's assist numbers, but Kobe shot a better percentage. Wade shot better PPG and RPG than either and shot the best percentage. That's why I'd give Wade the node over both of them. It's VERY close between Rose and Kobe. Normally I'd say Kobe would get it because of name recognition, but Rose is the MVP and some might feel the MVP should always be 1st-team. But to say that Rose is a better basketball player overall than Kobe is just ludicrous. If I had to vote, I'd give Kobe the nod.

Avenged
05-04-2011, 01:05 AM
He finished 7th in MVP voting this year.

So you're saying Rose is better than Wade?

roshan3ai
05-04-2011, 01:08 AM
CP3
Wade
Durant
Lebron
Dwight

TheRunKiller
05-04-2011, 01:11 AM
So you're saying Rose is better than Wade?

Yeah. Rose is better

Avenged
05-04-2011, 01:20 AM
Yeah. Rose is better

Based on what exactly? Better passer or Free Throw percentage? Cause those are the only things I see Rose beating Wade at.

bholly
05-04-2011, 01:24 AM
So I assumme all NBA first team is

G Rose
G Kobe
F Durant
F Lebron
C Dwight

Not everyone who votes for one votes for the other, so this isn't necessarily a good assumption.


Yeah, they'll leave the MVP off the first team. :rolleyes:

It happened in '72-'73 with Dave Cowens, '57-'58, '60-'61 and '61-'62 with Bill Russell.

davids22
05-04-2011, 01:46 AM
Yeah. Rose is better

:facepalm:

WingZzz
05-04-2011, 02:09 AM
Wade deserves All NBA 1st team over Kobe..

DoJoTheSlasher
05-04-2011, 02:50 AM
Dirk will make 2nd team but Dirk>Durant for 1st team.

JCSchwa
05-04-2011, 05:12 AM
no rose is not better than wade but he should and will be all nba 1st team ...its between kobe and wade, and i think this year wade gets it for sure....
Rose
Wade
Lebron
Dirk
Dwight

jzero
05-04-2011, 05:50 AM
Yeah. Rose is better

haha
beat the hawks before you talk :)

alencp3
05-04-2011, 06:18 AM
Blake for the all nba 3rd team

Cano4prez
05-04-2011, 06:49 AM
Based on what exactly? Better passer or Free Throw percentage? Cause those are the only things I see Rose beating Wade at.

dude do u ever see wade in top 10 plays? not as much as d-rose! mvp mvp mvp

JordansBulls
05-04-2011, 08:28 AM
MVP doesn't equal best player, Wade is still better than Rose at this point in their careers.




It's happened before

Wade should make it over Kobe not Rose. Rose led his team in PER, Win Shares and Win Shares PER 48 minutes. Kobe was 2nd on his own team in Win Shares and unless you are going to put the leader of the team in win shares on the 1st team all nba, then you shouldn't make it either. Not to mention was 3rd on his own team in win shares per 48 minutes.
Honestly don't know how he made 1st team last year when Gasol led the Lakers in both PER and Win Shares last season.

Avenged
05-04-2011, 11:11 AM
Wade should make it over Kobe not Rose. Rose led his team in PER, Win Shares and Win Shares PER 48 minutes. Kobe was 2nd on his own team in Win Shares and unless you are going to put the leader of the team in win shares on the 1st team all nba, then you shouldn't make it either. Not to mention was 3rd on his own team in win shares per 48 minutes.
Honestly don't know how he made 1st team last year when Gasol led the Lakers in both PER and Win Shares last season.

I semi agree. But once you stop looking solely on stats and pay attention to the actual game, you get an understanding on who the Lakers best player is.

Like I said, I agree to an extent, but there are more things to the game than WS and PER.

Iggz53
05-04-2011, 01:58 PM
You could make a case for either.

Derrick Rose 2010-2011 Stats
25.0 PPG, 7.7 APG, 4.1 RPG, .445 FG%

Kobe Bryant 2010-2011 Stats
25.3 PPG, 4.7 APG, 5.1 RPG, .451 FG%

Dwyane Wade 2010-2011 Stats
25.5 PPG, 4.6 APG, 6.4 RPG, .500 FG%

Kobe's higher point and rebound total could be offset by Rose's assist numbers, but Kobe shot a better percentage. Wade shot better PPG and RPG than either and shot the best percentage. That's why I'd give Wade the node over both of them. It's VERY close between Rose and Kobe. Normally I'd say Kobe would get it because of name recognition, but Rose is the MVP and some might feel the MVP should always be 1st-team. But to say that Rose is a better basketball player overall than Kobe is just ludicrous. If I had to vote, I'd give Kobe the nod.

Rose was still more efficient than Kobe this year.

Rose: 55% ts%
Kobe: 54.8% ts%

And obviously, his assist totals show how much more of a creator Rose was for his team.

TheRunKiller
05-04-2011, 02:01 PM
haha
beat the hawks before you talk :)

ohhh so your series with boston is over? i didn't know that

mikealike305
05-04-2011, 02:13 PM
therunkiller....
come on dude. i know u cant seriously think rose is better than wade. if u are serious.... i LOVE to hear your argument

TheRunKiller
05-04-2011, 02:16 PM
therunkiller....
come on dude. i know u cant seriously think rose is better than wade. if u are serious.... i LOVE to hear your argument

did that make you mad? its my opinion

davids22
05-04-2011, 02:19 PM
Rose was still more efficient than Kobe this year.

Rose: 55% ts%
Kobe: 54.8% ts%

And obviously, his assist totals show how much more of a creator Rose was for his team.

Well duh, Rose is a point guard. He's SUPPOSED to look to pass first and shoot second. Kobe is SUPPOSED to be the other way around.

Iggz53
05-04-2011, 02:33 PM
Well duh, Rose is a point guard. He's SUPPOSED to look to pass first and shoot second. Kobe is SUPPOSED to be the other way around.

And yet they score at pretty much the same rate.

Tanakid777
05-04-2011, 02:34 PM
Three cheers for homerism!!!

Hawkeye15
05-04-2011, 02:34 PM
Rose
Wade
LeBron
Dirk
Howard

That should be 1st team right there. But I have a feeling it will be

Rose
Kobe
LeBron
Durant
Howard

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-04-2011, 02:36 PM
Rose
Wade
LeBron
KD
Dwight
----------
2nd

Rondo
Kobe
Melo
Amare
Nene?

mikealike305
05-04-2011, 02:37 PM
did that make you mad? its my opinion

mad? why would i be mad, im not wade, i dont care what u think about him.

im just asking for your argument for as to why you feel that way, unless of course you dont have an argument as to why hes better, which seems to be the case

Hawkeye15
05-04-2011, 02:38 PM
Yeah. Rose is better

good luck proving that dude. Its a lot easier to prove Wade is still superior.

Hawkeye15
05-04-2011, 02:40 PM
Knicks fans, do you really think Amare will be put over LeBron, Durant, or Dirk? Or that Melo will make 2nd team?

Not happening, sorry. Melo will get eaten alive by voters for his controversy, and Amare just has better players in front of him. I think Amare could easily make 2nd team, but Melo will be lucky to make 3rd, though its a possibility for sure

b_russ
05-04-2011, 02:40 PM
rose
wade
lebron
dirk
howard

that should be 1st team right there. But i have a feeling it will be

rose
kobe
lebron
durant
howard

+1

davids22
05-04-2011, 02:48 PM
And yet they score at pretty much the same rate.

Because the Lakers have insane depth over the Bulls. If Kobe didn't have the help on his team (thus making him a true MVP candidate) then he could easily still drop 30ppg.

SportsFanatic10
05-04-2011, 03:37 PM
Yeah. Rose is better


:laugh: this is exactly why people hate on rose and then bulls fans wonder why. rose is great and improving more and more but to think rose has passed wade already is ********. wade is still in his prime. in a few years he'll be better but not yet. bulls fans hype rose up to be something he isn't yet. its like how wade is now better than kobe but he wasn't when kobe was in his prime.

SportsFanatic10
05-04-2011, 03:39 PM
with that said my list would be

rose
wade
lebron
durant
howard

Iggz53
05-04-2011, 03:39 PM
Because the Lakers have insane depth over the Bulls. If Kobe didn't have the help on his team (thus making him a true MVP candidate) then he could easily still drop 30ppg.

That means nothing when both Kobe and Rose have the same scoring output and efficiency. I could make the same argument that Rose could score more if he passed less.

Raph12
05-04-2011, 03:44 PM
That will be the 1st team, although I think Wade deserves to be on it...

JordansBulls
05-04-2011, 05:10 PM
:laugh: this is exactly why people hate on rose and then bulls fans wonder why. rose is great and improving more and more but to think rose has passed wade already is ********. wade is still in his prime. in a few years he'll be better but not yet. bulls fans hype rose up to be something he isn't yet. its like how wade is now better than kobe but he wasn't when kobe was in his prime.

Huh???

First off, Wade is still my favorite player in the league with Rose being 2nd, and I do believe Wade is better, but to say Bulls fans are in the wrong here this year on Rose vs Wade is insane when one just won league mvp with no other allstar on his team.

Cano4prez
05-04-2011, 05:12 PM
Huh???

First off, Wade is still my favorite player in the league with Rose being 2nd, and I do believe Wade is better, but to say Bulls fans are in the wrong here this year on Rose vs Wade is insane when one just won league mvp with no other allstar on his team.

MVP doesn't mean he's the better player

Cool007
05-04-2011, 05:46 PM
IMO, the first team All-NBA should be:

Rose
Wade
LeBron
Durant
Dwight

But what it will be:

Rose
Kobe
LeBron
Durant
Dwight

Cool007
05-04-2011, 05:48 PM
:laugh: this is exactly why people hate on rose and then bulls fans wonder why. rose is great and improving more and more but to think rose has passed wade already is ********. wade is still in his prime. in a few years he'll be better but not yet. bulls fans hype rose up to be something he isn't yet. its like how wade is now better than kobe but he wasn't when kobe was in his prime.

I agree. D-Wade is still better even though Rose has taken a nice step up.

Rose will need to improve even more to be at D-Wade's level.

However, if we are only talking about this year only then I think Rose has surpassed Kobe this year and all kinds of stats/advanced stats and team record and everything back it up as well.

jockrider
05-04-2011, 06:04 PM
did that make you mad? its my opinion

he's not even the best player at his position.

TheRunKiller
05-04-2011, 06:06 PM
he's not even the best player at his position.

who is? cp3? he looked like he was having fun last night watching the boston/mia game

Shammyguy3
05-04-2011, 06:08 PM
Rose was still more efficient than Kobe this year.

Rose: 55% ts%
Kobe: 54.8% ts%

And obviously, his assist totals show how much more of a creator Rose was for his team.

this


Because the Lakers have insane depth over the Bulls. If Kobe didn't have the help on his team (thus making him a true MVP candidate) then he could easily still drop 30ppg.

that has nothing to do with it. Kobe's usg% is higher than Rose's, yet Rose assists more by a pretty significant amount and scores just as well.


That means nothing when both Kobe and Rose have the same scoring output and efficiency. I could make the same argument that Rose could score more if he passed less.

this

TheRunKiller
05-04-2011, 06:08 PM
he's not even the best player at his position.

oh yea neither is wade :D

jockrider
05-04-2011, 06:12 PM
Huh???

First off, Wade is still my favorite player in the league with Rose being 2nd, and I do believe Wade is better, but to say Bulls fans are in the wrong here this year on Rose vs Wade is insane when one just won league mvp with no other allstar on his team.

it was a down year for mvp's he really didn't have much competition plus the media already made up their mind that he was going to be mvp months prior

with lebron/wade teaming up they were eliminated from it from the start. if magic had some kind of team meeting instead of pannicking and trading valuable pieces in gortat maybe just maybe he would have had some consideration.

jockrider
05-04-2011, 06:17 PM
who is? cp3? he looked like he was having fun last night watching the boston/mia game

blame it on the team around him rose hasn't accomplished anymore then cp3 yet.. deron williams is also the better all-around pg/player rose is third imho

SportsFanatic10
05-04-2011, 06:18 PM
who is? cp3? he looked like he was having fun last night watching the boston/mia game

lol what kinda comment is this?...replace paul with rose on the hornets and then have him play the lakers and i bet rose is in street clothes now too.

jockrider
05-04-2011, 06:18 PM
oh yea neither is wade :D

i think he's the best player in the league but i guess there is an argument for kobe being ahead.

TheRunKiller
05-04-2011, 06:20 PM
lol what kinda comment is this?...replace paul with rose on the hornets and then have him play the lakers and i bet rose is in street clothes now too.

please stop making a prediction on something that will never happen.

JordansBulls
05-04-2011, 06:26 PM
MVP doesn't mean he's the better player

True, but that IMO applies if the other player finishes top 3 as well. Like 2001 with Iverson 1 and Shaq 3 with Duncan 2.

FinsHeatPanthrs
05-04-2011, 06:27 PM
please stop making a prediction on something that will never happen.

Its more of a hypothetical than a prediction. And a pretty accurate hypothetical in my opinion.

SportsFanatic10
05-04-2011, 06:27 PM
Huh???

First off, Wade is still my favorite player in the league with Rose being 2nd, and I do believe Wade is better, but to say Bulls fans are in the wrong here this year on Rose vs Wade is insane when one just won league mvp with no other allstar on his team.


the main reason rose won mvp was because he didn't have another allstar on his team. he has a much better team than wade ever had and wade probably should of won MVP over lebron the one year if you're going down that road. wade was more efficient with less around him and put up better numbers on his own then rose as well. so no its not insane to think that bulls fans are over hyping rose. wade even put up better numbers this year just had no chance of winning anything with lebron on the roster.

i think rose is a great player with a bright bright future but he isn't better than wade in any shape or form at this point in their careers period. i don't even know how its arguable as even you agree.

SportsFanatic10
05-04-2011, 06:30 PM
please stop making a prediction on something that will never happen.

just an opinion...did it get you upset?

either way rose is headed for street clothes soon enough.

Crackadalic
05-04-2011, 06:31 PM
What's the criteria of All nba team anyway. Is it stats or is it the same as the MVP.

TheRunKiller
05-04-2011, 06:38 PM
just an opinion...did it get you upset?

either way rose is headed for street clothes soon enough.

even if he does go early it wont be miami that does it

jockrider
05-04-2011, 06:41 PM
even if he does go early it wont be miami that does it

not confident in getting past the hawks;)

SportsFanatic10
05-04-2011, 06:41 PM
even if he does go early it wont be miami that does it

oh so i guess the hawks then? lol jk i know the celtics series isn't even close to over but you're kidding yourself if you think miami doesn't look the best out of every playoff team right now you're just a hater. bulls won't make it past winner of heat/celtics i'm 90% sure of it. only thing is an injury to wade or lebron that could stop it.

TheRunKiller
05-04-2011, 06:43 PM
not confident in getting past the hawks;)

of course im confident in my team getting by hawks...im saying miami won't beat boston

TheRunKiller
05-04-2011, 06:46 PM
oh so i guess the hawks then? lol jk i know the celtics series isn't even close to over but you're kidding yourself if you think miami doesn't look the best out of every playoff team right now you're just a hater. bulls won't make it past winner of heat/celtics i'm 90% sure of it. only thing is an injury to wade or lebron that could stop it.

pretty cocky saying a team has no chance against you when you haven't beat them yet