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Dash
05-02-2011, 09:02 PM
CHICAGO -- Chicago Bulls guard Derrick Rose is the youngest Most Valuable Player award-winner in the history of the National Basketball Association, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The 22-year-old Rose was widely expected to win the award after leading the Chicago Bulls to a 62-20 record and No. 1 seed in the playoffs.

The Chicago-born point guard had a breakout third season, averaging 25 points, 7.7 assists and 4.1 rebounds. After a summer with the U.S. National team, Rose made a significant leap.

Rose, the No. 1 pick in the 2008 draft and Rookie of the Year, started his first All-Star game, after making the team as a reserve last season.

He carried a team that saw its top two big men, Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah, miss significant time with injuries. His fellow starting guard Keith Bogans averaged just 4.4 points per game. Still, the Bulls never lost more than two games in a row.

Rose's MVP candidacy was criticized by some, but not by his teammates. After Rose scored 30 in a 97-81 win over Boston in early April, Noah said, "If this game doesn't put the stamp on the MVP vote, I don't know what else you can say."

Known for his quiet, humble demeanor, Rose raised eyebrows in late September when he told reporters his goal was to win the award.

"The way I look at it, within myself, why can't I be the MVP of the league?" he said. "Why can't I be the best player in the league? Why? Why can't I do that?"

Rose is expected to be notified of his victory Tuesday and be presented with the award during Wednesday's Game 2 against the Atlanta Hawks, according to the source.

Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau won the Coach of the Year award Sunday. The two will be the 12th duo in NBA history to win both awards.

While his shooting percentages slipped a bit in the first round win over the Indiana Pacers, Rose averaged 27.6 points, 6.2 assists and 4.6 rebounds.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6468133

lakers4sho
05-02-2011, 09:07 PM
cool

JordansBulls
05-02-2011, 09:07 PM
:clap:

Avenged
05-02-2011, 09:08 PM
As expected.

Congrats to him and Bulls fans.

Hawkeye15
05-02-2011, 09:09 PM
Congrats to Derrick, and the Bulls fans. I was skeptical for quite a while, but the notion grew and grew on me, and I honestly think its a great accomplishment for Derrick and the Bulls franchise.

There really is nothing NOT to like about the kid personally. Great kid, congrats!

GodsSon
05-02-2011, 09:10 PM
No surprise here.

nitric
05-02-2011, 09:10 PM
Weird that the MVP is announced before ROY

Cubs Win
05-02-2011, 09:11 PM
Congrats Derrick! Woooooooooo! Now get that W!

D Roses Bulls
05-02-2011, 09:11 PM
:clap:

Hawkeye15
05-02-2011, 09:12 PM
Weird that the MVP is announced before ROY

do they need to announce that one? I figured they just mailed the trophy to Blake's house and called it done

giants73756
05-02-2011, 09:12 PM
22 years old. Wow.

Avenged
05-02-2011, 09:12 PM
Remember this?:


”The way I look at it, why can’t I be the MVP in the league? Why can’t I be the best player in the league? I don’t see why not. I work hard, I dedicate myself to the game and sacrifice a lot of things at a young age, and I know, if I continue to do good what I can get out of it. If that’s me going out and doing whatever, I’m willing to do it because in the long run I know it’s gonna help me.’

This guy delivered.

DaBear
05-02-2011, 09:13 PM
Well deserved, Rose.

cubswin25
05-02-2011, 09:13 PM
Not a surprise, but it's well deserved.

Hellcrooner
05-02-2011, 09:13 PM
Good.
Congrats to bulls fans.

Thread degrading into bashfeast in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3...

MJ-BULLS
05-02-2011, 09:14 PM
Why cant i win the mvp, why not me.

Derrick Rose said before the season started and everyone laughed at him. But, atta boy Rose, great accomplishment for him and the whole Bulls organization.

Chicago is proud of you. :clap:

hugepatsfan
05-02-2011, 09:14 PM
Great accomplishment for him. I don't think he deserved it but the fact that he is even a reasonable candidate at this age is remarkable.

DaBear
05-02-2011, 09:15 PM
Derrick Rose said before the season started and everyone laughed at him. But, atta boy Rose, great accomplishment for him and the whole Bulls organization.

Chicago is proud of you. :clap:

I love the sig man.

johnwayne
05-02-2011, 09:15 PM
I gotta be honest.....Before the season started when Derrick Rose said "Why can't I be MVP?"....I thought to myself, "man I love this guy's motivation and he's a great player, the whole 9, but no way he wins MVP" lol I guess I get to eat my words.....Congratulations Derrick Rose on an AWESOME season, hopefully he can get even better next season.

TO to the CHI
05-02-2011, 09:15 PM
Congrats to Derrick, and the Bulls fans. I was skeptical for quite a while, but the notion grew and grew on me, and I honestly think its a great accomplishment for Derrick and the Bulls franchise.

There really is nothing NOT to like about the kid personally. Great kid, congrats!

I think that you forgot the word "not". I fixed it.

MJ-BULLS
05-02-2011, 09:16 PM
I love the sig man.

:cheers:

DwayneMVPwade
05-02-2011, 09:19 PM
no surprise

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-02-2011, 09:19 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap:

I'm so happy for this kid. Growing up around tough times in the south side of Chicago, he sure has come a long way to become the MVP of the NBA playing for his hometown Bulls.

Now please come out and have a better 2nd half..lol

Hawkeye15
05-02-2011, 09:20 PM
I think that you forgot the word "not". I fixed it.

I fixed it. Thanks man

Sadds The Gr8
05-02-2011, 09:20 PM
shoulda been Howard but w/e.

BlinkManJan02
05-02-2011, 09:21 PM
Nice, great season for the Bulls. And at the beginning of the season I thought the Bucks could contend for their division, bahaha.

DaBear
05-02-2011, 09:21 PM
:cry: It shoulda been Howard :cry:

Cubs Win
05-02-2011, 09:24 PM
Nice, great season for the Bulls. And at the beginning of the season I thought the Bucks could contend for their division, bahaha.

You weren't alone. I didn't think they'd exactly compete for the division title but I thought it would be closer than how it ended up.

Chi StateOfMind
05-02-2011, 09:24 PM
We all knew he was the MVP.

Cubs Win
05-02-2011, 09:26 PM
We all knew he was the MVP.

By "we" do you mean all of us Bulls "homers" who were told that we really had no clue what we were talking about? :laugh2:

nitric
05-02-2011, 09:26 PM
"Why not? Why can't I be MVP?"

Sergio1984
05-02-2011, 09:28 PM
Well deserved.

5ass
05-02-2011, 09:28 PM
good for him.. ive always loved rose

jockrider
05-02-2011, 09:35 PM
i knew rose was going to be a elite player since his rookie year, i thought his breakout year was going to be last year though, with lbj/wade teaming up i figured they wouldn't win mvp especially lebron since he already had 2, i honestly thought it was going to be durant,

the bulls team as a whole really suprised me, i thought they were going to win around 45-55 games , they play amazing defense congrats to rose and the bulls team from the executives/players/coaches

Baller1
05-02-2011, 09:39 PM
Congrats to him, surprised me and just about everyone with how much the Bulls accomplished this season.

(I'm surprised this was announced before the Rookie of the Year award as well).

Dash
05-02-2011, 09:40 PM
I hate rose, I don't know why, but I love the game he plays, he deserved to win MVP.

I don't why I hate him, but I do :shrug:

bears88
05-02-2011, 09:41 PM
Derrick Rose is sooo overrated !!

Chacarron
05-02-2011, 09:42 PM
Well deserved.

Hawkeye15
05-02-2011, 09:43 PM
Derrick Rose is sooo overrated !!

totally. Dude sucks :)

Kobes a Killer
05-02-2011, 09:47 PM
Congrats, well deserved

D1JM
05-02-2011, 09:49 PM
i am going to say: "why not me? why can't I be a MOD?" bamm by the dec 21, 2012 my name in blue

Confusious
05-02-2011, 09:52 PM
Derrick!

Avenged
05-02-2011, 09:54 PM
i am going to say: "why not me? why can't I be a MOD?" bamm by the dec 21, 2012 my name in blue

Hah! I'd vouch for ya. ;)

avrpatsfan
05-02-2011, 09:55 PM
Well deserved! :clap:

Baller1
05-02-2011, 09:56 PM
i am going to say: "why not me? why can't I be a MOD?" bamm by the dec 21, 2012 my name in blue

:laugh2: well played.

ChicagooooBulls
05-02-2011, 09:57 PM
very well deserved. DROSEEE!! now close it out vs. the hawks here boyyy!

KnicksR4Real
05-02-2011, 10:03 PM
I still think Dwight is the true MVP

KnicksR4Real
05-02-2011, 10:03 PM
But still deserving is Rose

Geargo Wallace
05-02-2011, 10:20 PM
I wish I was the MVP :(

Geargo Wallace
05-02-2011, 10:21 PM
I mean... if Kobe could win it, why not Rose?

Lil Half Dead
05-02-2011, 10:47 PM
We all knew it was coming but it's great to see it officially anounced. You earned it Derrick:clap:

SouthSideSox
05-02-2011, 10:49 PM
Yeah boy, way to go Mr. Chicago.

Master Mind
05-02-2011, 10:53 PM
Congrats.

sargon21
05-02-2011, 11:01 PM
Check that sig boys.

SteBO
05-02-2011, 11:04 PM
Congrats to D-Rose! :clap::clap::clap:
Well deserved!!

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-02-2011, 11:23 PM
Well this night could've been great for Bulls fans, but it blows right now.

mzgrizz
05-02-2011, 11:28 PM
Congrats to DRose from Memphis !!

FriedTofuz
05-02-2011, 11:42 PM
Grats to him, well deserved. As much as I agree that derrick rose is MVP candidate, I would had prefered Lebron. Lebron is More valuable than rose in my opinion. Lebron is the closet thing the league has to magic johnson. Lebron scores more, rebounds more, plays defense more, and just has a bigger impact on his team. For lebron size, hes a better playmaker than rose. Many will not agree with me, but I just think if i had the option, I would rather have lebron james on my team, instead of rose. The reason for 62 wins isnt solely rose, part of it is, but part of it is the coaching from thibs and his defensive philopshy. Without it, the bulls record wouldnt be where it is.
Also, Lebron led the cavs to back to back 60 win seasons, when he left, the cavs became the worst team in the nba. I just think his impact is more important than rose.
Thats why, Lebron james is still the MVP in my opinion.

RZZZA
05-02-2011, 11:42 PM
hooray....I cant believe how far we've come from 7 editions of stickied "Who should be MVP?" threads on this forum.

chicago lulz
05-03-2011, 12:12 AM
Congrats Rose! Loss puts a damper on this, but still psyched.

Super.
05-03-2011, 01:34 AM
Good for him

RIPSweetness34
05-03-2011, 05:13 AM
Where are all the people who said he was an idiot for saying why not me?

mrbtp
05-03-2011, 05:30 AM
good for him he did earn it

Knickrocketsfan
05-03-2011, 06:58 AM
im goin to be the hater. love drose, but his stats dnt warrant a MVP. But i guess that the W's are the greatest stat of all. Congrats

MagicBucsSox
05-03-2011, 07:26 AM
Worst MVP stats in history, W's ain't impressive in the Central division

eso
05-03-2011, 08:05 AM
i know its early (and sorry Lakers fans and im one) but could the bulls have the top 2 in the G.O.A.T conversation??

ne3xchamps
05-03-2011, 08:25 AM
do they need to announce that one? I figured they just mailed the trophy to Blake's house and called it done

agreed. I mean does there even need to be an announcement? :laugh2: Oh and the mvp, no big shocker there. congrats to drose.

ne3xchamps
05-03-2011, 08:26 AM
i know its early (and sorry Lakers fans and im one) but could the bulls have the top 2 in the G.O.A.T conversation??

I wouldn't go that far. drose has a LONG way to get to kobe's status. 1 mvp folks, lets not start crazy talk.

jockrider
05-03-2011, 08:51 AM
i know its early (and sorry Lakers fans and im one) but could the bulls have the top 2 in the G.O.A.T conversation??

LMAO:facepalm:

DaSox_05
05-03-2011, 08:59 AM
Congrats DRose :clap:

ChitownSports16
05-03-2011, 09:56 AM
Congrats DRose!!!

Hunter48MVP
05-03-2011, 11:23 AM
CHICAGO -- Chicago Bulls guard Derrick Rose is the youngest Most Valuable Player award-winner in the history of the National Basketball Association, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The 22-year-old Rose was widely expected to win the award after leading the Bulls to a 62-20 record and No. 1 seed in the playoffs.

Rose said Monday night that the league has yet to tell him anything about the award.

"Not yet. Still hearing from it," he said. "But right now, I'm sorry to say that's the last thing I'm thinking about. I'm sorry."

Rose is expected to be notified of his victory Tuesday and be presented with the award during Wednesday's Game 2 against the Atlanta Hawks, according to the source.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6468133

Havoc Wreaker
05-03-2011, 11:24 AM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616473

RIPSweetness34
05-03-2011, 03:43 PM
:cry:
Worst MVP stats in history, W's ain't impressive in the Central division

RZZZA
05-03-2011, 03:45 PM
the award seems completely meaningless and empty at this moment. I'm sure Rose feels the same way.

iggypop123
05-03-2011, 03:52 PM
congrats to rose. the media narrative was too much to pass up. he did it all with an injured team.
ive grown less appreciative of the mvp lately. when you consider nash and nowitzki have more mvp's than kobe and shaq it kind of loses its luster. same with coach of the year when you consider popovich, phil jackson and jerry sloan have a combined 2 coaches of the year.

AIRMAR72
05-03-2011, 03:54 PM
good for him he plays hard everytime on offense, even when he mis multiple shots he still play hard

TheDiggler
05-03-2011, 04:00 PM
Congrats DR1 !

Cool007
05-03-2011, 04:03 PM
Worst MVP stats in history, W's ain't impressive in the Central division

Yeah, Bulls played all 82 games vs Central division right??? :confused:

Bulls had the best record vs +.500 teams as well as vs ELITE teams (Boston/Miami/Spurs/Lakers/Mavs/Thunder/Magic/etc).

So any more excuses you have???

blams
05-03-2011, 04:23 PM
Worst MVP stats in history, W's ain't impressive in the Central division

I'm not even the biggest Drose supporter, but give me a break man.

Best record vs. above .500 teams in the NBA, and best record vs. Elite teams in the NBA.

JordansBulls
05-03-2011, 04:32 PM
Yeah, Bulls played all 82 games vs Central division right??? :confused:

Bulls had the best record vs +.500 teams as well as vs ELITE teams (Boston/Miami/Spurs/Lakers/Mavs/Thunder/Magic/etc).

So any more excuses you have???

This.

Not to mention tied for the most wins ever in a season without having another player on the allstar team that season. Bulls and Jazz in 1998 also had 62 wins with only 1 allstar making the team.

TheRunKiller
05-03-2011, 04:47 PM
Worst MVP stats in history, W's ain't impressive in the Central division

:cry::cry:

Tony_Starks
05-03-2011, 05:01 PM
Very well deserved, he's had it sown up for a while. Great for ChiTown!






That being said, Hawks in 6.

NBA_Starter
05-03-2011, 05:04 PM
Very well deserved

PurpleJesus28
05-03-2011, 05:15 PM
Worst MVP stats in history, W's ain't impressive in the Central division

he mad.

congrats Rose!!! well deserved! kids got a tremendous amount of heart and a crazy work ethic, scary to think he's the MVP at only 22, skies the limit!

very surprised this hasnt turned into an all out flame war by now, i'm impressed PSD, i'm impressed.

The Jokemaker
05-03-2011, 05:22 PM
Good job Rose. Now the question is, can these Bulls that are home to COY and MVP advance past the Hawks to the ECF?

gbpackers12
05-03-2011, 05:25 PM
Congrats to Rose, well deserved.

cubswin25
05-03-2011, 05:26 PM
Not a bad start to Derrick Rose career.

08-09-.Number one pick in the draft and winning ROY
09-10-Makes allstar team, in his second season.
10-11-Starts allstar game, and wins NBA MVP(yougest MVP ever)

And the guy probably is only going to get better in the next few years.

dodie53
05-03-2011, 05:32 PM
congrats rose

JordansBulls
05-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Rose with 113 first place votes. 1182 points. Dwight 2nd with 643 points, Lebron 3rd, Kobe 4th, Durant 5th.

according to KC Johnson.


So I assumme all NBA first team is

Rose
Kobe
Durant
Lebron
Dwight

championships
05-03-2011, 05:39 PM
No News here. We all new this before the season was even over.

Congrats Rose!! :clap:

jzero
05-03-2011, 05:44 PM
This.

Not to mention tied for the most wins ever in a season without having another player on the allstar team that season. Bulls and Jazz in 1998 also had 62 wins with only 1 allstar making the team.

uhh
lebron had 66 wins last season

Bullsfan22
05-03-2011, 05:44 PM
This press conference is awesome. I can't wait to see him grow as a player.

haggis
05-03-2011, 05:45 PM
Rose with 113 first place votes. 1182 points. Dwight 2nd with 643 points, Lebron 3rd, Kobe 4th, Durant 5th.

according to KC Johnson.

I'm shocked that the gap was that far. That's down right impressive.

Bruno
05-03-2011, 05:45 PM
Congrats Bulls fans. :clap:

jzero
05-03-2011, 05:49 PM
I'm shocked that the gap was that far. That's down right impressive.

whats impressive?
his play or how much the media loves him
whilst both fit the category it's more the latter

Bullsfan22
05-03-2011, 05:50 PM
This is as good as it gets a guy being from your city and your favorite team getting the mvp.

redwhitenblue
05-03-2011, 05:50 PM
whats impressive?
his play or how much the media loves him
whilst both fit the category it's more the latter
:cry:

Someone call the WAAAAH-mbulance

haggis
05-03-2011, 05:52 PM
whats impressive?
his play or how much the media loves him
whilst both fit the category it's more the latter

Dwight got 3 first place votes. Derrick got 113.

That's a ****ing huge gap.

Sergio1984
05-03-2011, 05:52 PM
That was an awesome press conference.

haggis
05-03-2011, 05:54 PM
Player, Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total Points
Derrick Rose, Chicago 113 6 2 -- -- 1182
Dwight Howard, Orlando 3 57 31 16 11 643
LeBron James, Miami 4 26 39 31 12 522
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 1 18 32 40 12 428
Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 6 10 20 38 190
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas -- 5 3 11 30 113
Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 1 1 2 6 24
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio -- 2 -- -- 6 20
Amar'e Stoudemire, New York -- -- 1 -- 4 9
Blake Griffin, L.A. Clippers -- -- 1 -- -- 5
Rajon Rondo, Boston -- -- 1 -- -- 5
Tony Parker, San Antonio -- -- -- 1 -- 3
Chris Paul, New Orleans -- -- -- -- 2 2


http://www.nba.com/2011/news/05/03/mvp-award/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

jzero
05-03-2011, 05:54 PM
Dwight got 3 first place votes. Derrick got 113.

That's a ****ing huge gap.

i know
and like i said earlier it says more about the media than it does about him!

jzero
05-03-2011, 05:55 PM
but hey the bulls need some hardware to take home

Sergio1984
05-03-2011, 05:58 PM
i know
and like i said earlier it says more about the media than it does about him!


but hey the bulls need some hardware to take home

Stop being butt hurt about the situation and trying to get stuff started with Bulls posters.

Bullsfan22
05-03-2011, 06:00 PM
heat fan being bitter *yawns*

RZZZA
05-03-2011, 06:01 PM
Dwight got 3 first place votes. Derrick got 113.

That's a ****ing huge gap.

LOL. if this forum was voting, Rose would get 3 votes and dwight would have gotten 113

;)

I'm exaggerating, but not that much

DaBear
05-03-2011, 06:06 PM
Good job Rose. Now the question is, can these Bulls that are home to COY and MVP advance past the Hawks to the ECF?

Yes. Everyone freaked out when the Hornets won game 1 vs LA. The Hawks will not shoot 50% again.

Chronz
05-03-2011, 06:07 PM
uhh
lebron had 66 wins last season

Hes going to say that Bron had several former all-stars and MVP winners on his team. completely ignoring the fact that MJ had Pip, and Malone had Stockton.

jzero
05-03-2011, 06:09 PM
heat fan being bitter *yawns*

actually no im pretty happy
heat won and bulls lost :o

Rafer17
05-03-2011, 06:10 PM
Dwight deserved it, but Drose is a good 2nd pick..

SteveNash
05-03-2011, 06:12 PM
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/05/03/mvp-award/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

What awful voting. MVP has truly become irrelevant.

MJ-BULLS
05-03-2011, 06:13 PM
Great press conference. Derrick Rose is such a humble and a good kid.

Very well deserved, he put in alot of work in the summer and he is going to continue to get better.

haggis
05-03-2011, 06:13 PM
What awful voting. MVP has truly become irrelevant.

ok.

hope it doesn't keep you up at night man.

RZZZA
05-03-2011, 06:14 PM
This forum = Rose hateville

SteveNash
05-03-2011, 06:15 PM
ok.

hope it doesn't keep you up at night man.

I'm good, writing a letter right now should be done in a couple of hours, plenty of time for sleep.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 06:15 PM
All of the Howard nut riders can leave now. We've heard enough of your crying.

Chronz
05-03-2011, 06:18 PM
ok.

hope it doesn't keep you up at night man.
I dont think anyone loves the sport enough to let the cheapening of a once coveted award get to them. We need our sleep too much

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 06:18 PM
Great press conference. Derrick Rose is such a humble and a good kid.

Very well deserved, he put in alot of work in the summer and he is going to continue to get better.

I agree. He is a humble kid and i love his laid back personality. He's not my choice for MVP. He comes in second in my book but MVP is a joke in today's NBA. As is the all star voting and basically anything where the general public is allowed to vote for the outcome.

Cubsfan365
05-03-2011, 06:19 PM
LOL at all the Rose haters right now. I'm sure 113 out of 121 professionals whose job is to follow the NBA all season all got the pick for MVP wrong. Gimme a ****ing break. I can't believe the people on PSD who put so much effort in disliking and trying to discredit Rose, when he won the vote by that much, and is probably the nicest and most humble person in the NBA.

Bullsfan22
05-03-2011, 06:19 PM
actually no im pretty happy
heat won and bulls lost :o

So you're basically admitting you're happy when the Heat win and the Bulls lose. Shows your bitter concern with the Bulls.

I couldn't care less about the Heat as long as the Bulls win but to each his own.

MVP MVP MVP.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 06:20 PM
This forum = Rose hateville

Bulls fans bring it upon themselves but your right.

jzero
05-03-2011, 06:20 PM
if anything its the bulls fans losing sleep after yesterday :o

jzero
05-03-2011, 06:20 PM
So you're basically admitting your happy win the Heat win and the Bulls lose. Shows your bitter concern with the Bulls.

I couldn't care less about the Heat as long as the Bulls win but to each his own.

MVP MVP MVP.

of course im happy
although i would like to send the bulls back to chicago in the ecf
either way you guys aren't close to being serious title contenders

SteBO
05-03-2011, 06:21 PM
Congrats to Rose. It's well deserved. I love Dwight for MVP as well, but Rose really exceeded expectations this year, not just for himself, but the entire team as well. That's what vaulted him MVP accolades this year.

Duddy
05-03-2011, 06:21 PM
Rose getting more first votes this year than James got on his first MVP selection pretty much says everything. BTW, his stats were: 28.4ppg, 7.6rpg, 7.2apg, 1.7spg, 1.2bpg, 49%fg. He had 7 triple-doubles and was named the conference player of the month 4X. Oh, and he single-handedly led his team to a 66 win season ;) . Anyways, congrats to D-rose

D1JM
05-03-2011, 06:22 PM
actually no im pretty happy
heat won and bulls lost :o

you're just here to troll.

Cubsfan365
05-03-2011, 06:23 PM
of course im happy
although i would like to send the bulls back to chicago in the ecf
either way you guys aren't close to being serious title contenders
If we aren't close to being serious title contenders and beat the Heat all 3 games during the season, then what does that make the Heat??? :laugh:

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 06:24 PM
LOL. if this forum was voting, Rose would get 3 votes and dwight would have gotten 113

;)

I'm exaggerating, but not that much

Why do you let it bother you so much??? On the other thread you cried for the thread to be closed like 4 times instead of just not posting in it.

You always posting about the Rose hate and i wanna know why. Is he your lil brother or somethin? Most Bulls fans just ignore it as they should. Why dont you?

kjoke
05-03-2011, 06:24 PM
#Swag

D1JM
05-03-2011, 06:24 PM
If we aren't close to being serious title contenders and beat the Heat all 3 games during the season, then what does that make the Heat??? :laugh:

just ignore him. he already prove with his last two post that he is here just to cause trouble. no point of arguing with him

DaBear
05-03-2011, 06:25 PM
Bulls fans bring it upon themselves but your right.

Most Howard fans on here are sore losers that are in-denial.

JB0B0
05-03-2011, 06:26 PM
MVP is nice but I'd rather beat the Hawks. Let's keep our eyes on the prize :)

Bullsfan22
05-03-2011, 06:27 PM
of course im happy
although i would like to send the bulls back to chicago in the ecf
either way you guys aren't close to being serious title contenders

:laugh2: join date Jan 2011

You are dismissed.

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 06:27 PM
I know Chicago Bulls fans are very protective of their MVP especially due to the scrutinization he has received on this forum.

That being said, I personally think while he and Dwight Howard both put their teams on their backs this season, can either of these players be considered the top 2 players in the league?

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Wade
4. Durant
5. Rose
6. Howard
7. Chris Paul
8. Carmelo Anthony
9. Deron Williams
10. Amare Stoudemire
10. Pau Gasol


That is just my opinion, just like the MVP vote is opinion based. Derrick Rose is definitely one of the MVP's of THIS season, but does that mean he is one truly one of the best players in the league? In game 7 of the NBA finals, would you really rather have him than kobe? or lebron? or wade? or durant? or dwight?

its a tough question and even i dont know if its answerable, but it certainly would make for a great debate.

RZZZA
05-03-2011, 06:28 PM
Why do you let it bother you so much??? On the other thread you cried for the thread to be closed like 4 times instead of just not posting in it.

You always posting about the Rose hate and i wanna know why. Is he your lil brother or somethin? Most Bulls fans just ignore it as they should. Why dont you?

maybe I should, you're right. I should ignore it.

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 06:29 PM
:laugh2: join date Jan 2011

You are dismissed.

Join dates do not dictate whether or not someone on this forums opinion is valid.

nice try.

(im not saying i agree with his opinion either way, just trying to point out an error in your judgement)

Bullsfan22
05-03-2011, 06:33 PM
Join dates do not dictate whether or not someone on this forums opinion is valid.

nice try.

(im not saying i agree with his opinion either way, just trying to point out an error in your judgement)

I'm glad you noticed I fought ignorance with ignorance Gold star, now reply/correct his prior posts.

ChicagooooBulls
05-03-2011, 06:34 PM
the first of many. won in a landslide like he should have. very well deserved...i love rooting for such a mature young man like rose! only gonna get better too! woohoo

Baller1
05-03-2011, 06:37 PM
I wish Rose wasn't so monotone! I don't mean that in a disrespectful way in any regard, but damn he shows no emotion when he speaks. But after watching his ESPN interview, I can't help but think he is just a completely monotone individual.

I'm sick of waiting for his top 10 plays to show on ESPN right now, show it already!

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 06:37 PM
I'm glad you noticed I fought ignorance with ignorance Gold star, now reply/correct his prior posts.

As I stated in my original post, I am not judging him nor any of his posts.

I directed my statement towards you in order to enforce the ideal that experience is not always directly proportional to knowledge.

And, "fighting ignorance with ignorance" certainly sounds like you know deep down that it is better to maintain higher standards in any situation. :rolleyes:

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 06:39 PM
I wish Rose wasn't so monotone! I don't mean that in a disrespectful way in any regard, but damn he shows no emotion when he speaks. But after watching his ESPN interview, I can't help but think he is just a completely monotone individual.

I'm sick of waiting for his top 10 plays to show on ESPN right now, show it already!

Somtimes, and this might not be in his case, a lack of knowledge or education can transform into the way you speak. People with more intelligence have more confidence in what they are saying and thus are more prone to speaking in more harmonious tones.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 06:39 PM
LOL at all the Rose haters right now. I'm sure 113 out of 121 professionals whose job is to follow the NBA all season all got the pick for MVP wrong. Gimme a ****ing break. I can't believe the people on PSD who put so much effort in disliking and trying to discredit Rose, when he won the vote by that much, and is probably the nicest and most humble person in the NBA.

Its a business. Some of these people are probably skeptics just like the next guy but the sad truth is that behind the scenes of ESPN there are protocols to follow and money to generate. Its all a business. The media makes much more money promoting an exciting guy like Rose or Lebron than a C like Dwight whose biggest contributions come on the defensive end.

Actually as i post this they are about to play the "Derrick Rose top 10 plays of the season" without so much as ONE crititicism of his sub par game last night against the Hawks. Thats because the public doesnt want to hear all that. There are jerseys to sell, sneakers to promote, league watch packages to advertise, all types of merchandise to make money off of. How do you think ESPN makes their money?

It takes intelligent observers to notice things like this so i dont blame anyone on PSD. However sometimes people need to stop being mindless drones feeding off of the BS that ESPN feeds us. How many buzzer beaters by Melo have they promoted without mentioning how often he takes bad shots and shoots his team outta games? In fact when NY was winning that all we heard of. When is the last time you heard them mentioned on TV and what did they talk about? Oh yea, they talked about how bad a coach Mike D'Antoni is. Scapegoating the coach is a way to keep those overhyped NY players relevant and profitable while addressing the Knicks struggles which is what the public wants to hear about.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 06:41 PM
I wish Rose wasn't so monotone! I don't mean that in a disrespectful way in any regard, but damn he shows no emotion when he speaks. But after watching his ESPN interview, I can't help but think he is just a completely monotone individual.

I'm sick of waiting for his top 10 plays to show on ESPN right now, show it already!

Case and point. :laugh:

Bullsfan22
05-03-2011, 06:42 PM
As I stated in my original post, I am not judging him nor any of his posts.

I directed my statement towards you in order to enforce the ideal that experience is not always directly proportional to knowledge.

And, "fighting ignorance with ignorance" certainly sounds like you know deep down that it is better to maintain higher standards in any situation. :rolleyes:

Now you're on to something ;)

grayski
05-03-2011, 06:42 PM
Derrick is such a terrible interview at times, I love it! Derrick Rose MVP, thankyou God for the 1.9% that brought us this amazing player!

RZZZA
05-03-2011, 06:42 PM
Somtimes, and this might not be in his case, a lack of knowledge or education can transform into the way you speak. People with more intelligence have more confidence in what they are saying and thus are more prone to speaking in more harmonious tones.

he's just shy

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 06:43 PM
As much as that hurts to hear as a Knicks fan, I could not agree more.

Economic prosperity is usually the root of every action. i.e. wars, marriages, shows, media, political actions etc.

However, espn is a business--a private industry and they have every right to promote what they feel will bring in the best ratings. It is our job as intelligent fans to discern discrepencies, overhype, faults, etc in their reporting just like any other media outlet.

Great point though. I enjoyed reading what you had to say. :clap:


(Directed towards Chill Will 24)

Bullsfan22
05-03-2011, 06:46 PM
he's just shy

yeah either internet shy or couldn't help but join after the championship parade.

Crackadalic
05-03-2011, 06:46 PM
Good for him. Now lets see if he can use his MVP level talent and take his team to the finals and win it all.

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 06:46 PM
he's just shy

I was speaking generally hence the quote "and this might not be in his case".

However, it is ironic that you mention the word "shy". Shy is also a word that has direct correlation to insecurity. Whether this is his insecurity about public speaking or maybe not having something intelligent to say is for us to discern. It has been well publicized that Derrick Rose did not pass his SAT and is not very academically gifted. This is the only reason why I bring up such a point.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 06:47 PM
Most Howard fans on here are sore losers that are in-denial.

Im not a Howard fan at all. My sig is a pipe dream that will die soon enough. I just look at things objectively and Dwight is the clear MVP. The only thing people keep bringing up against him is his teams seeding, which can be attributed to a horrible supporting cast that shot a whopping 18% from three in the playoffs. They also have a very inconsistent system as imo any system that lives and dies by the three usually just dies.

Meanwhile in support of Rose people say that his team has the best season record but if you think that the Bulls with the same squad wouldve won 60 games under Vinny Del negro then idk what to tell you cuz you lose my respect.

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 06:52 PM
Im not a Howard fan at all. My sig is a pipe dream that will die soon enough. I just look at things objectively and Dwight is the clear MVP. The only thing people keep bringing up against him is his teams seeding, which can be attributed to a horrible supporting cast that shot a whopping 18% from three in the playoffs. They also have a very inconsistent system as imo any system that lives and dies by the three usually just dies.

Meanwhile in support of Rose people say that his team has the best season record but if you think that the Bulls with the same squad wouldve won 60 games under Vinny Del negro then idk what to tell you cuz you lose my respect.

Unfortunately, record in these type of award evalutations, speaks volumes more than the "supporting cast". There is no doubt in my mind that if Derrick Rose replaced Dwight Howard on the Magic, they would be a .500 ball club especially in Stan Van Gundy's system.

Dwight Howard, while is not a scoring threat as much as Rose is, definitely has more value just by his presence on the court. A defensive player of the year with an augmented offensive game sounds like an MVP candidate to me. This is not me saying Derrick Rose did not deserve it, all I am saying is that Dwight Howard perhaps should have garnered more first place votes than he did.

Crackadalic
05-03-2011, 06:54 PM
Im not a Howard fan at all. My sig is a pipe dream that will die soon enough. I just look at things objectively and Dwight is the clear MVP. The only thing people keep bringing up against him is his teams seeding, which can be attributed to a horrible supporting cast that shot a whopping 18% from three in the playoffs. They also have a very inconsistent system as imo any system that lives and dies by the three usually just dies.

Meanwhile in support of Rose people say that his team has the best season record but if you think that the Bulls with the same squad wouldve won 60 games under Vinny Del negro then idk what to tell you cuz you lose my respect.

Doesnt really matter because for some reason the criteria of what is a MVP change yearly. Too many guys got rob and others doesnt deserve. Not saying D-rose doesnt deserve it because he did but it really shouldnt be a landslide with him winning when there are other players like a Dwight who has more impact for there team

KH12
05-03-2011, 06:54 PM
Rose's public speaking has improved tremendously since his rookie year. They mentioned this after the press conference, but Rose was not allowed to speak to the media (his High School coach's rule) while in High School. He had one year of college ball, and this is his 3rd year in the league. He's just not as comfortable with public speaking as someone who has done it for a long time. Not to mention, it's just his personality, very quiet, humble and shy.

Bullsfan22
05-03-2011, 06:55 PM
You guys have fun now

Giannis94
05-03-2011, 06:56 PM
I was listening to the press confrence on 670 the score. Then one of the guys who was talking before coach had such a bad voice crack. Does anyone know where you can find it audio wise? The entireity of the press confrence.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 07:00 PM
As much as that hurts to hear as a Knicks fan, I could not agree more.

Economic prosperity is usually the root of every action. i.e. wars, marriages, shows, media, political actions etc.

However, espn is a business--a private industry and they have every right to promote what they feel will bring in the best ratings. It is our job as intelligent fans to discern discrepencies, overhype, faults, etc in their reporting just like any other media outlet.

Great point though. I enjoyed reading what you had to say. :clap:


(Directed towards Chill Will 24)

I appreciate that. The PSD population is not exactly known for its intelligence levels but sometimes it gets ridiculous with the arguments i hear. Its like ESPN feeds the public statitics and posters throw them out there as fact without sparing a second thought to the motive behind the intent. Why is the media so choosy with the stats they feed us? Why do they only feed us the superficial stats as if we are all idiots that dont actually pay attention to the actual games?

On a similar note, there is a reason that Lebron James is being portrayed and encouraged by the media as the villain. Dont be fooled. His profitability is at an all time high. In fact i read an article in which they wrote about how the Cavs played recorded boos at the Quicken loans Arena when MIA visited. This was encouraged by the NBA apparently.

haggis
05-03-2011, 07:01 PM
I was listening to the press confrence on 670 the score. Then one of the guys who was talking before coach had such a bad voice crack. Does anyone know where you can find it audio wise? The entireity of the press confrence.

670 is usually great with podcasts. give it like an hour and I'm sure they'll have it up.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/show/the-boers-and-bernstein-show/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/show/670-the-score-interviews/

It'll probably be there in a bit.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 07:02 PM
Unfortunately, record in these type of award evalutations, speaks volumes more than the "supporting cast". There is no doubt in my mind that if Derrick Rose replaced Dwight Howard on the Magic, they would be a .500 ball club especially in Stan Van Gundy's system.

Dwight Howard, while is not a scoring threat as much as Rose is, definitely has more value just by his presence on the court. A defensive player of the year with an augmented offensive game sounds like an MVP candidate to me. This is not me saying Derrick Rose did not deserve it, all I am saying is that Dwight Howard perhaps should have garnered more first place votes than he did.

I agree completely. Rose deserves to be in the conversation. I love the kid as a player and hes my second favorite player to watch behind Griffin. I just dont think he deserves the award.

jp611
05-03-2011, 07:04 PM
Worst MVP ever!!!! Rose should give the trophy to Dwight... what a ******** decision :pity:

j11430
05-03-2011, 07:05 PM
The problem with the MVP is it usually goes to the best/most important player on the best team in the league (by record). So while admittedly Howard is probably more deserving, Rose fits that bill to a tee

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 07:06 PM
I was speaking generally hence the quote "and this might not be in his case".

However, it is ironic that you mention the word "shy". Shy is also a word that has direct correlation to insecurity. Whether this is his insecurity about public speaking or maybe not having something intelligent to say is for us to discern. It has been well publicized that Derrick Rose did not pass his SAT and is not very academically gifted. This is the only reason why I bring up such a point.

Your post just gave me a funny thought. I dont know if i would get an infraction for mentioning but lets just say that Derrick Rose sound like he's missing a few brain cells. He sounds just like my homeboy who just spends all day smoking Mary J.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 07:06 PM
The problem with the MVP is it usually goes to the best/most important player on the best team in the league (by record). So while admittedly Howard is probably more deserving, Rose fits that bill to a tee

That's incorrect...

haggis
05-03-2011, 07:07 PM
Good stuff in here guys. Now we're ripping on the kid's intelligence. Quality.

Giannis94
05-03-2011, 07:07 PM
670 is usually great with podcasts. give it like an hour and I'm sure they'll have it up.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/show/the-boers-and-bernstein-show/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/show/670-the-score-interviews/

It'll probably be there in a bit.

http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/video?PID=eoCT_mywiobesGtsUI_x4mcxyeHFKZpX

Go to 3:00 in the video and listen for 20 seconds

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 07:07 PM
Worst MVP ever!!!! Rose should give the trophy to Dwight... what a ******** decision :pity:

Your poor attempt at sarcasm is enlightening. :facepalm:

haggis
05-03-2011, 07:08 PM
That's incorrect...

O Rly?

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

D1JM
05-03-2011, 07:11 PM
Sorry to interrupt the "civilized" and "educated" theories being formed here but this is about shooting a ball through a hoop. The general discussion forum is here (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=110)

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 07:11 PM
Worst MVP ever!!!! Rose should give the trophy to Dwight... what a ******** decision :pity:

He isn't the worst ever. However if they were gonna unjustly gift it to him like this, they should've at least refrained from making it seem like an absolute landslide. I never heard anyone on the media making a legit case for Dwight which just screams absolute bs. IF DRose deserved it BIG IF, it was never a runaway win as the media would lead us to believe.

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 07:13 PM
Good stuff in here guys. Now we're ripping on the kid's intelligence. Quality.

I was simply proposing rational reason as to why his voice is monotonous.

That being said, his lack of academic skill, at least in my opinion does not hinder his playmaking abilities. However, when he gets past thirty, it is very possible that it might. However, by that time, he might have so much Basketball IQ, that it will not negatively affect the way he plays. Who knows?

Point is, he is an amazingly talented player. His lack of academic intelligence, while it may have detrimental effects on his life post basketball, does not seem to be doing any harm to him at this moment in time !!

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 07:13 PM
Sorry to interrupt the "civilized" and "educated" theories being formed here but this is about shooting a ball through a hoop. The general discussion forum is here (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=110)

If the conversation is getting a litle bit above your intelligence level then by all means just ignore it.

uprightciti
05-03-2011, 07:16 PM
BBBBBBBHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! yeah now he is gonna suck for the rest of his career and the bulls are gonna get swept!

Silent
05-03-2011, 07:16 PM
Congratz D Rose now bring the bigger hardware

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 07:18 PM
O Rly?

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

Idk what your trying to prove. I was referring to that guy's definition of NBA MVP. His said that it's the best player in THE BEST team. Thats simply wrong. The best team in the league doesnt mean that they MUST have the MVP of the league. To most educated NBA followers it is clear that the MVP is the player who is most valuable to his team. In other words, the player whose team will most suffer without. That is unquestionably Dwight.

D1JM
05-03-2011, 07:22 PM
If the conversation is getting a litle bit above your intelligence level then by all means just ignore it.

Yes it is. I am a dumb computer science major that writes software programs

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 07:33 PM
Yes it is. I am a dumb computer science major that writes software programs

That being said, why would you subsequently show outward indifference to an educated conversation about sports?

Clearly, we were talking about basketball. But science majors are not always known for having the highest intellect within the humanities. :rolleyes:

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 07:33 PM
Yes it is. I am a dumb computer science major that writes software programs

:shrug: Well then maybe you should stop complaining about the intelligence level of the thread. A little intelligence might actually do PSD some good...

valade16
05-03-2011, 07:37 PM
Idk what your trying to prove. I was referring to that guy's definition of NBA MVP. His said that it's the best player in THE BEST team. Thats simply wrong. The best team in the league doesnt mean that they MUST have the MVP of the league. To most educated NBA followers it is clear that the MVP is the player who is most valuable to his team. In other words, the player whose team will most suffer without. That is unquestionably Dwight.

I think the magic could lose in the 1st round just as badly without dwight.

Seriously though, Dwight's team did WORSE than last years, while Rose's team improved dramatically and had way more wins than the magic.

I really fail to see how Dwight deserved it this year. Wow, he led the magic to a record eclipsed by no less than 7 teams in the league. Color me impressed.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 07:44 PM
I think the magic could lose in the 1st round just as badly without dwight.

Seriously though, Dwight's team did WORSE than last years, while Rose's team improved dramatically and had way more wins than the magic.

I really fail to see how Dwight deserved it this year. Wow, he led the magic to a record eclipsed by no less than 7 teams in the league. Color me impressed.

You clearly came in here intent on posting you opinion without any regard or intention to read the arguments that were made in previous pages so your opinion is virtually worthless to me. I already addressed your argument in my previous posts because that the main argument people bring up against Dwight Howard.

j11430
05-03-2011, 07:54 PM
Idk what your trying to prove. I was referring to that guy's definition of NBA MVP. His said that it's the best player in THE BEST team. Thats simply wrong. The best team in the league doesnt mean that they MUST have the MVP of the league. To most educated NBA followers it is clear that the MVP is the player who is most valuable to his team. In other words, the player whose team will most suffer without. That is unquestionably Dwight.

Did you read what came directly after the words best teams? It said in parenthesis BY RECORD which is 100% true no matter how you slice it.

And I did say usually, so I'm not sure where you're going with this

chi-townlove1
05-03-2011, 07:54 PM
you know what the ****ing sad thing is.. is that if Lebron or Dwight won the award all you Rose haters would be like oh finally our guy got it, the voting is correct, these guys know what theyre talking about. But, no, the fact that your guy did not get the award u sit here and criticize the people who do this for a living and vote for who they think is most deserving. Dont sit here and ride other peoples cocks, use their information, and claim that the MVP is a joke. because if ur guy won, it wouldnt be... Congrats to Derrick. Amazing basketball player, and an even better individual. Keep them comin kid. PSD ****** off.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:01 PM
Did you read what came directly after the words best teams? It said in parenthesis BY RECORD which is 100% true no matter how you slice it.

And I did say usually, so I'm not sure where you're going with this

Even if your saying by record, its still not what MVP is about; although i have no doubt that's where its headed. The MVP race is a joke "no matter how you slice it"...

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:02 PM
In the last 10 years (and maybe longer), no MVP has won the award playing for a 4th seed. All MVP's have been in 3rd place or higher. D Howard winning would just make no sense. Factor in Rose playing with an injured Bulls team the whole year, and leading them to the best record in the NBA when expected to finish no better than 3rd is a huge huge accomplishment.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:03 PM
Even if your saying by record, its still not what MVP is about; although i have no doubt that's where its headed. The MVP race is a joke "no matter how you slice it"...

Yes it's a joke because your favorite player didn't win it. :facepalm:

Cry on..

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:03 PM
you know what the ****ing sad thing is.. is that if Lebron or Dwight won the award all you Rose haters would be like oh finally our guy got it, the voting is correct, these guys know what theyre talking about. But, no, the fact that your guy did not get the award u sit here and criticize the people who do this for a living and vote for who they think is most deserving. Dont sit here and ride other peoples cocks, use their information, and claim that the MVP is a joke. because if ur guy won, it wouldnt be... Congrats to Derrick. Amazing basketball player, and an even better individual. Keep them comin kid. PSD ****** off.

:sigh: PSD never fails to amaze me...

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:05 PM
In the last 10 years (and maybe longer), no MVP has won the award playing for a 4th seed. All MVP's have been in 3rd place or higher. D Howard winning would just make no sense. Factor in Rose playing with an injured Bulls team the whole year, and leading them to the best record in the NBA when expected to finish no better than 3rd is a huge huge accomplishment.

Your argument is getting old so i wont address it further.

j11430
05-03-2011, 08:05 PM
Even if your saying by record, its still not what MVP is about; although i have no doubt that's where its headed. The MVP race is a joke "no matter how you slice it"...

Why are you mocking me? I'm half way on your side and understand what you're saying. All I'm saying is that the reason Rose got the award is because he had a great season (not debateable), his team had the best record (not debateable) and he had the most impact on his team (not debateable).

I agree, MVP voting in all sports is BS. But that's the way it is so learn to deal with it and stop *****ing.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:06 PM
Grats to him, well deserved. As much as I agree that derrick rose is MVP candidate, I would had prefered Lebron. Lebron is More valuable than rose in my opinion. Lebron is the closet thing the league has to magic johnson. Lebron scores more, rebounds more, plays defense more, and just has a bigger impact on his team. For lebron size, hes a better playmaker than rose. Many will not agree with me, but I just think if i had the option, I would rather have lebron james on my team, instead of rose. The reason for 62 wins isnt solely rose, part of it is, but part of it is the coaching from thibs and his defensive philopshy. Without it, the bulls record wouldnt be where it is.
Also, Lebron led the cavs to back to back 60 win seasons, when he left, the cavs became the worst team in the nba. I just think his impact is more important than rose.
Thats why, Lebron james is still the MVP in my opinion.

It doesn't work like that. MVP is not about who the best player is, it's about who the most valuable player is. If you take Rose off the Bulls, they are barely a playoff team. If you take LeBron off the Heat, they are still a very good team with Wade and Bosh. Sure, LeBron is the most valuable player to the Heat, but that does not make him MVP in the NBA because the Heat don't need him to be a contender. The Bulls would be no where near 50 wins without Rose. I think if LeBron stayed with Cleveland and had another great season, he would win MVP again.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:07 PM
Your argument is getting old so i wont address it further.

So is yours. Thanks for conceding.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:09 PM
Yes it's a joke because your favorite player didn't win it. :facepalm:

Cry on..

He's not my fav player and its a joke because the RIGHT player didnt win. The seeding should have no effect because a regular season record is a team effort as well as a product of great coaching and great defense. Your record and seeding is almost meaningless in regards to the MVP race and it holds no weight. Give ORL a coach like Thibs and ORL is a 1st seed and championship favorites.

D1JM
05-03-2011, 08:09 PM
That being said, why would you subsequently show outward indifference to an educated conversation about sports?

Clearly, we were talking about basketball. But science majors are not always known for having the highest intellect within the humanities. :rolleyes:

:laugh2: yup. that stereotype does exist. just like a lot of science majors view humanities or social science majors as not intelligent enough to handle 4 years of calculus, 3 years of physics... ;)


:shrug: Well then maybe you should stop complaining about the intelligence level of the thread. A little intelligence might actually do PSD some good...

its not that. i just dont get what rose IQ has to do with his mvp award.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:11 PM
He's not my fav player and its a joke because the RIGHT player didnt win. The seeding should have no effect because a regular season record is a team effort as well as a product of great coaching and great defense. Your record and seeding is almost meaningless in regards to the MVP race and it holds no weight. Give ORL a coach like Thibs and ORL is a 1st seed and championship favorites.

You take credit away from Rose and give all the credit to Thibbs. And you tell me my argument holds no water. :facepalm:. Funny how SVG was considered a good coach until Howard was in the MVP running. Then all the sudden his team blows chunks according to Howard homers.

BTW, you couldn't be anymore wrong. If record and seeding didn't matter, then explain why all those MVP's were on top 3 teams?

Enough with the hate. Rose deserved it. Howard didn't. And nice try telling me he's not your fav player when he's in your ****ing sig lol!

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:13 PM
:laugh2: yup. that stereotype does exist. just like a lot of science majors view humanities or social science majors as not intelligent enough to handle 4 years of calculus, 3 years of physics... ;)



its not that. i just dont get what rose IQ has to do with his mvp award.

He forgot to mention that science majors will most likely have a job after graduation too. :laugh2:

valade16
05-03-2011, 08:15 PM
He's not my fav player and its a joke because the RIGHT player didnt win. The seeding should have no effect because a regular season record is a team effort as well as a product of great coaching and great defense. Your record and seeding is almost meaningless in regards to the MVP race and it holds no weight. Give ORL a coach like Thibs and ORL is a 1st seed and championship favorites.

Seeding shoukd have NO effect?! So now it doesn't matter if you win, heck win 30 games and your still in the MVP hunt!

And your 2nd point is still speculation. I could say if Howards next 2 best players were injured as much as noah and boozer Orlando might not be in the playoffs...

More-Than-Most
05-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Congrats to rose.

Now I have a question. Why did he deserve it over Howard? I dont mind he won but who is more valuable to their team then Howard? He is dominate on both sides of the ball. I am in no way bashing rose and can understand why he won but I am not understanding the award itself.

I personally think people take the guy for granted because of his size... Without him the magic are terrible.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:17 PM
Honestly, I've taken many humanities classes for my Gen ED's, and most of them were full of air head chicks, pot heads, and slackers. Then I understood why people who graduate with degrees in sociology or communications. They're easy *** degrees that won't get you **** after graduation. Most of these guys end up working at McDonald's or some crappy place trying to pay off their $30,000 debt.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:17 PM
Why are you mocking me? I'm half way on your side and understand what you're saying. All I'm saying is that the reason Rose got the award is because he had a great season (not debateable), his team had the best record (not debateable) and he had the most impact on his team (not debateable).

I agree, MVP voting in all sports is BS. But that's the way it is so learn to deal with it and stop *****ing.

No disrespect meant brother. :cheers: I agree with your reasons as to why he got it but i disagree that those reasons alone warrant him getting the award because none of those reasons were on his shoulders alone. Teammates, coaching, and other factors affect all those things. By the way Derrick Rose is NOT and i repeat NOT the most impactful player in the league. That would be Dwight Howard. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a lost case.

The league needs to either make another award or figure out a way to better define the MVP.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:22 PM
Congrats to rose.

Now I have a question. Why did he deserve it over Howard? I dont mind he won but who is more valuable to their team then Howard? He is dominate on both sides of the ball. I am in no way bashing rose and can understand why he won but I am not understanding the award itself.

I personally think people take the guy for granted because of his size... Without him the magic are terrible.

I agree completely. Dwight Howard is the most physically dominant player in the league on both ends of the floor. He is so dominant that flagrant fouls on him become regular fouls and he gets constantly hacked without getting called. In other words he changes the way referees call the game. He gets discriminated against for his size. I fully believe that if he was a better free throw shooter and the referees were fair to him, he would average 50pts per. He's so good that at one point Jameer Nelson was called a top 5 PG when in fact he sucks and is a horrible playmaker.

Without him ORL is trash.

ImDaBaron
05-03-2011, 08:23 PM
Honestly, I've taken many humanities classes for my Gen ED's, and most of them were full of air head chicks, pot heads, and slackers. Then I understood why people who graduate with degrees in sociology or communications. They're easy *** degrees that won't get you **** after graduation. Most of these guys end up working at McDonald's or some crappy place trying to pay off their $30,000 debt.

Hey I have a communications degree :mad:

zB_#85
05-03-2011, 08:23 PM
what a good dude. Well deserved, and he's so down to earth and likable. That announcement was the realest MVP press conference I remember seeing in a long time. Shout out to his mom and showing that emotion. This dude's humble mentality and work ethic is going to make him (along with Durant who is the same way) the face of the NBA for years to come. LeBron who? lol.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:24 PM
Another thing that no one factors in is that Howard is the best C in the NBA and it's not close. The next best center is levels below him. So when he dominates every game, is it a surprise when he has no real competition? A prime Shaq, Ewing, and Olajuwon would make him look silly IMO.

Master Mind
05-03-2011, 08:24 PM
Well deserved

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:25 PM
Hey I have a communications degree :mad:

Good luck with that. Thought about going back to school?

j11430
05-03-2011, 08:25 PM
No disrespect meant brother. :cheers: I agree with your reasons as to why he got it but i disagree that those reasons alone warrant him getting the award because none of those reasons were on his shoulders alone. Teammates, coaching, and other factors affect all those things. By the way Derrick Rose is NOT and i repeat NOT the most impactful player in the league. That would be Dwight Howard. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a lost case.

The league needs to either make another award or figure out a way to better define the MVP.

The problem is by definition it's a flawed award. There's no way to put an exact measure on how valuable a player is to his team. So even though Howard was probably more deserving of it, he wouldn't have won it with the 8th best record in the league

theheatles
05-03-2011, 08:25 PM
congrats to rose, he deserves recognition for what he did this season even though i disagree with the premise of the award...every time i see interviews of him it gets harder and harder to say anything negative about him and i probably never would have if he doesn't get as embellished...good luck and good health for derrick rose

ImDaBaron
05-03-2011, 08:26 PM
Good luck with that. Thought about going back to school?

lol Im in school right now:D Its my major but thats because I dont know what I want to do. Plus im in ROTC.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:27 PM
Seeding shoukd have NO effect?! So now it doesn't matter if you win, heck win 30 games and your still in the MVP hunt!

And your 2nd point is still speculation. I could say if Howards next 2 best players were injured as much as noah and boozer Orlando might not be in the playoffs...

Alright i exaggerated. It should have a secondary effect. This would be my criteria:

1. The literal meaning of the MVP. As in the player that is most valuable to his team's success.

2. The amount of success that the player brings to the team overall.

3. Statistics and overall play

DaBear
05-03-2011, 08:29 PM
Alright it should have a secondary effect. This would be my criteria:

1. The literal meaning of the MVP. As in the player that is most valuable to his team's success.

2. The amount of success that the player brings to the team overall.

3. Statistics and overall play

So then why doesn't CP3 fit that criteria? He's probably more valuable to his team than Howard is. At least the Magic have good shooters. The Hornets have complete lottery trash outside of CP3.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:29 PM
congrats to rose, he deserves recognition for what he did this season even though i disagree with the premise of the award...every time i see interviews of him it gets harder and harder to say anything negative about him and i probably never would have if he doesn't get as embellished...good luck and good health for derrick rose

I agree. He is an amazing talent. He is humble. He is exciting. He is a credit to the league.

210Don
05-03-2011, 08:34 PM
good job drose

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:38 PM
So then why doesn't CP3 fit that criteria? He's probably more valuable to his team than Howard is. At least the Magic have good shooters. The Hornets have complete lottery trash outside of CP3.

I agree. CP3 is definitely in my mind. The reason i have Dwight ahead of him is because i feel that Dwight impacts the game more that Paul on BOTH ends. Elite big men are far more important to success than a PG. I never spared a thought to the Rose vs Paul debate as far as the MVP race. When i watch the teams play thou, i get the feeling that New Orleans can play well enough without Paul. They did it last year. I have a hard time putting Paul ahead of Rose in my MVP rankings but i dont watch Paul play enough to adequately argue for Paul. So instead i'll just look at my second criteria where Rose is clearly ahead of him. Besides i disagree with your last point. NO has some talented players that are no worse than the players ORL has. Both teams have a horrible supporting cast. I actually give the nod to New Orlean's players because Orlando lives by the three and Howard's teammates shot 18% from 3 in the playoffs proving how bad the system is and how bad his teammates are.

Lebron i cant put up there because he plays with Wade and if your watching the game right now you know what im talking about. Wade is owning the Celtics and Lebron is just a spectator.

Dwight
Rose
CP3
Kobe
Lebron
Dirk

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:48 PM
Another thing that no one factors in is that Howard is the best C in the NBA and it's not close. The next best center is levels below him. So when he dominates every game, is it a surprise when he has no real competition? A prime Shaq, Ewing, and Olajuwon would make him look silly IMO.

So your gonna hold it against him that he's the best at his position? He is the most dominant player in the league and definitely at his position. Point guards are a dime a dozen in today's game so if anything that should take even more credit from Rose's MVP award.

Bishnoff
05-03-2011, 08:51 PM
Well deserved.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 08:56 PM
The problem is by definition it's a flawed award. There's no way to put an exact measure on how valuable a player is to his team. So even though Howard was probably more deserving of it, he wouldn't have won it with the 8th best record in the league

I agree. Anything lower than a 5th seed should never be considered. However seedings should not be a primary basis because it takes credit from the play of teammates as well as the coaching staff. If any CHI fan thinks that the Bulls would still win 60 games without Thibodeau they are insane. So if my argument held true and lets suppose that the Bulls had kept Vinny Del Negro and they ended up a 4-6seed with him. Would Derrick Rose still be MVP? I would hope not but then that makes the whole MVP thing a joke. It makes it more about the team as a whole than the MVP which is supposed to be an individual award.

netsgiantsyanks
05-03-2011, 09:04 PM
d-rose 100% deserved it. i personally want chi-town to win it all. my dad's side of family is from chicago, i have to show my respects, know what i mean?? :cool:

DaBear
05-03-2011, 09:07 PM
So your gonna hold it against him that he's the best at his position? He is the most dominant player in the league and definitely at his position. Point guards are a dime a dozen in today's game so if anything that should take even more credit from Rose's MVP award.

Point guards like Rose are not a dime of a dozen. Rose, CP3, and D-Will are in their own category. Howard is no doubt a dominant player, but who does Howard ever go up against? There is no other C in the league that is dominant, or even super star caliber. The fact that you could argue Bynum is the 2nd best C in the NBA shows how much of a joke that position is compared to other positions. Yes C might be a more important position, but in todays NBA you could get by with a mediocore C who would be considered good in todays NBA.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 09:08 PM
I agree. Anything lower than a 5th seed should never be considered. However seedings should not be a primary basis because it takes credit from the play of teammates as well as the coaching staff. If any CHI fan thinks that the Bulls would still win 60 games without Thibodeau they are insane. So if my argument held true and lets suppose that the Bulls had kept Vinny Del Negro and they ended up a 4-6seed with him. Would Derrick Rose still be MVP? I would hope not but then that makes the whole MVP thing a joke. It makes it more about the team as a whole than the MVP which is supposed to be an individual award.

Any fan who thinks the Bulls would sniff 60 wins without Rose is insane.

Bruno
05-03-2011, 09:09 PM
Another thing that no one factors in is that Howard is the best C in the NBA and it's not close. The next best center is levels below him. So when he dominates every game, is it a surprise when he has no real competition? A prime Shaq, Ewing, and Olajuwon would make him look silly IMO.

Prime Shaq and Dream, yes.

Ewing? Howard is already better than Ewing ever was. Better rebounder, better defender, more efficient of offense.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 09:21 PM
Point guards like Rose are not a dime of a dozen. Rose, CP3, and D-Will are in their own category. Howard is no doubt a dominant player, but who does Howard ever go up against? There is no other C in the league that is dominant, or even super star caliber. The fact that you could argue Bynum is the 2nd best C in the NBA shows how much of a joke that position is compared to other positions. Yes C might be a more important position, but in todays NBA you could get by with a mediocore C who would be considered good in todays NBA.

Sorry but Rose is not in the Chris Paul category. He is more in the Allen Iverson, Monta Ellis category. Great great players but not ideal playmakers. Every draft lately has had at least one solid PG. They are easy to come by; and again you cant hold it against Howard that he dominates every center in the league. Its not his fault that his peers are weak. Rose can be contained to a certain level because he doesnt shoot well. There is no containing Dwight. They tried doubling him to no avail. They tried triples and it proved a bad idea as well. Now they decided to just let him have his points with single coverage and stop his horrible supporting cast and that was the ticket. Even the officiating has had to adjust to Dwight as it wouldnt be fair to the league if the refs called every foul on him cuz he would be at the line most of the game. He gets hacked and tackled, shoved and pulled... That proves that Dwight is unstoppable.

Hiphopopotamus
05-03-2011, 09:27 PM
Sorry but Rose is not in the Chris Paul category. He is more in the Allen Iverson, Monta Ellis category. Great great players but not ideal playmakers. Every draft lately has had at least one solid PG. They are easy to come by; and again you cant hold it against Howard that he dominates every center in the league. Its not his fault that his peers are weak. Rose can be contained to a certain level because he doesnt shoot well. There is no containing Dwight. They tried doubling him to no avail. They tried triples and it proved a bad idea as well. Now they decided to just let him have his points with single coverage and stop his horrible supporting cast and that was the ticket. Even the officiating has had to adjust to Dwight as it wouldnt be fair to the league if the refs called every foul on him cuz he would be at the line most of the game. He gets hacked and tackled, shoved and pulled... That proves that Dwight is unstoppable.

Go away.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 09:30 PM
Any fan who thinks the Bulls would sniff 60 wins without Rose is insane.

That door swings both ways. The Bulls wouldnt sniff 60 without Rose but they would get a lot closer than without Thibodeau

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 09:31 PM
Go away.

:sigh: You cant handle the truth...

AndyfromNeptune
05-03-2011, 09:38 PM
He forgot to mention that science majors will most likely have a job after graduation too. :laugh2:

When you go to a good school, no matter what major chosen, the name of the school and its reputation can usually get yourself a job.

For example the many people who major in philosphy at Harvard...


But I have to agree, communcations majors are a joke at schools not renowned for their communications programs. lol.

valade16
05-03-2011, 09:39 PM
That door swings both ways. The Bulls wouldnt sniff 60 without Rose but they would get a lot closer than without Thibodeau

Speculation my friend. Sure the last time the Bulls were without Thibs they didn't sniff 60 wins, but remember the last time the Bulls were without Rose they had the No. 1 pick in the draft.

And switch SVG with Del Negro and the Magic aren't sniffing 52 wins let alon 60.

Face it, Howard lost, because Rose is more deserving. In fact Howard got like 2 votes for first, so obviously nearly EVERYBODY felt that Rose was more deserving than Howard.

Using a speculative argument that in the end can't be proved and is based solely on your opinion (i.e. Howard means more to his team than anyone as many would say James, CP, and even Rose).

Rose is MVP, Rose deserved MVP.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 10:03 PM
Speculation my friend. Sure the last time the Bulls were without Thibs they didn't sniff 60 wins, but remember the last time the Bulls were without Rose they had the No. 1 pick in the draft.

And switch SVG with Del Negro and the Magic aren't sniffing 52 wins let alon 60.

Face it, Howard lost, because Rose is more deserving. In fact Howard got like 2 votes for first, so obviously nearly EVERYBODY felt that Rose was more deserving than Howard.

Using a speculative argument that in the end can't be proved and is based solely on your opinion (i.e. Howard means more to his team than anyone as many would say James, CP, and even Rose).

Rose is MVP, Rose deserved MVP.

That argument is stupid because when the Bulls got Rose they had a horrible coach and not a coach like Thibodeau.

I think lots of coaches could squeeze 50 out of a Dwight Howard team. It doesnt take a great coach realize that Dwight dominates his opposition.

I HAVE faced it and i really dont care. Im speculating on it because its what forums are for. People that make statements like that are usually losing their debate. OBVIOUSLY its over. What we are debating is whether he deserved it which he didn't. At least not ahead of Dwight Howard.

Disagree. Anyone that says Howard doesnt mean more to his team than any player in the league means to their own is just blinded by bias. Its one thing to say that Rose deserved MVP because his team was dominant (flawed argument), but its entirely another to deny that Dwight Howard is LITERALLY most valuable player and the most dominant in the league. Take Rose off of the Bulls and they can still win 50 because of the coach. Take Lebron away and the Heat will still do well because they have Wade and Bosh. Take Dirk away and they still do ok cuz they have many weapons. Dwight IS the team in ORL. He IS the system. Everything is run thru him. Without him that team is a lottery team. The only player that comes close in terms of impact to his team is CP3.

Rose is MVP and im not angry that he got it because i truly like the kid. Humble and exciting player. I just hate the people that hype it up like it was a sure thing. Like he is so much more decerving than all his competition.

RZZZA
05-03-2011, 10:13 PM
we get it chill will, you hate rose and love dwight.

valade16
05-03-2011, 10:17 PM
^ so the only argument you'll allow is a flawed one for Rose, how nice of you...

Noah and Boozer missed a lot of games due to injury, yourtelling me the Bulls led by DENG would win 50 games? Yeah, good one bud.

The ONLY arguement you have is YOUR OPINION that Dwight means more to his team than any other player.

Why did nearly everyone vote Rose for MVP? Why has nearly every player who's commented on who the MVP is said Rose?

They're all wrong and your right, is that it? How incredibly pompous.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 10:37 PM
we get it chill will, you hate rose and love dwight.

Ive never said that i hate DRose... stop taking every Rose criticism as Rose hate like a child. Grow up.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 10:48 PM
Sorry but Rose is not in the Chris Paul category. He is more in the Allen Iverson, Monta Ellis category. Great great players but not ideal playmakers. Every draft lately has had at least one solid PG. They are easy to come by; and again you cant hold it against Howard that he dominates every center in the league. Its not his fault that his peers are weak. Rose can be contained to a certain level because he doesnt shoot well. There is no containing Dwight. They tried doubling him to no avail. They tried triples and it proved a bad idea as well. Now they decided to just let him have his points with single coverage and stop his horrible supporting cast and that was the ticket. Even the officiating has had to adjust to Dwight as it wouldnt be fair to the league if the refs called every foul on him cuz he would be at the line most of the game. He gets hacked and tackled, shoved and pulled... That proves that Dwight is unstoppable.

Sorry, but that's where the argument stops. Rose is better than CP3 and is a better playmaker as well. You could argue CP3 has better defense and is a better passer, but Rose is without a doubt a better clutch player than CP3 and a bigger scoring threat. And no, players like Rose don't come in every draft. Players who are top 10 in points and assists don't come by in every draft. This is going into another argument so let's just stop now. The NBA judges have spoken, and Rose handled Howard in first place votes. Nuff said.

BTW, Howard is a good scorer, but doesn't have a dominant post game. In fact, there are no C's who have lock down defense other than Howard, which brings me to my point again that todays C's are weak.

RZZZA
05-03-2011, 10:50 PM
Ive never said that i hate DRose... stop taking every Rose criticism as Rose hate like a child. Grow up.

sorry, I just assumed because you're deriding him so vehemently. It looks a lot like hate.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 10:51 PM
That door swings both ways. The Bulls wouldnt sniff 60 without Rose but they would get a lot closer than without Thibodeau

No they wouldn't. The Bulls without Rose would have no offensive generator, and no one to go to in crunch time. Rose sparks the Bulls offense. Without Rose, Deng might be the best offensive player they have, and that already means they will not even touch 50 wins. Their defense wouldn't be enough to keep them at the top of the East. The Milwaukee Bucks are a fine example of why you can't win with only defense.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 10:53 PM
^ so the only argument you'll allow is a flawed one for Rose, how nice of you...

Noah and Boozer missed a lot of games due to injury, yourtelling me the Bulls led by DENG would win 50 games? Yeah, good one bud.

The ONLY arguement you have is YOUR OPINION that Dwight means more to his team than any other player.

Why did nearly everyone vote Rose for MVP? Why has nearly every player who's commented on who the MVP is said Rose?

They're all wrong and your right, is that it? How incredibly pompous.

Wow... :pity: have you read ANYTHING that i have posted in this thread? Im guessing not. Boozer and Noah are great players but Asik and Gibson held it down well enough in their absense. Role players are interchangeable. The offense runs throgh Rose and as long as he is aggressive the Bulls succeed because its their defense that wins their games.

It IS my opinion and its the opinion of most that arent biased Bulls fans. Dwight Howard IS the most dominant player in the game and the most important to his team. That's not really debatable except for CP3.

As i've addressed multiple times in this thread, the midia hypes exciting players like Griffin and Rose because its a business. Its sad but centers arent as marketable as scoring guards and wings. Dwight's main contributions come on the defensive end and that doesnt sell. ESPN has bills to pay and so they have protocol to follow. Rose is one of the league's poster boys now. Analysts get PAID to hype up Rose because thats what sells playoff packages, sneakers, jerseys... i mean its clear. Its all a business. They will bring up whatever random stat they have to in order to manipulate the public into buying the hype. Its the reason Griffin was already declared slam dunk champion hours before the contest took place. The reason he was in the all star game ahead of more deserving players. The reason Justin Bieber won Celebrity All Star game MVP. Its all money.

Rose deserves lots of praise. He's a great player. I am NOT anti Rose at all. Im just not a mindless puppet that buys into media hype when watching NBA basketball alone gives me all the info i need.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 10:56 PM
Wow... :pity: have you read ANYTHING that i have posted in this thread? Im guessing not. Boozer and Noah are great players but Asik and Gibson held it down well enough in their absense. Role players are interchangeable. The offense runs throgh Rose and as long as he is aggressive the Bulls succeed because its their defense that wins their games.

It IS my opinion and its the opinion of most that arent biased Bulls fans. Dwight Howard IS the most dominant player in the game and the most important to his team. That's not really debatable except for CP3.

As i've addressed multiple times in this thread, the midia hypes exciting players like Griffin and Rose because its a business. Its sad but centers arent as marketable as scoring guards and wings. Dwight's main contributions come on the defensive end and that doesnt sell. ESPN has bills to pay and so they have protocol to follow. Rose is one of the league's poster boys now. Analysts get PAID to hype up Rose because thats what sells playoff packages, sneakers, jerseys... i mean its clear. Its all a business. They will bring up whatever random stat they have to in order to manipulate the public into buying the hype. Its the reason Griffin was already declared slam dunk champion hours before the contest took place. The reason he was in the all star game ahead of more deserving players. The reason Justin Bieber won Celebrity All Star game MVP. Its all money.

Rose deserves lots of praise. He's a great player. I am NOT anti Rose at all. Im just not a mindless puppet that buys into media hype when watching NBA basketball alone gives me all the info i need.

I think LeBron is the most dominant player in the game, so I think that makes you a biased Howard fan.

And your second argument is a bunch of conspiracy ********. Don't expect people to take you serious with those type of posts. They can give you reasons as to why Rose deserved it over Howard.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 10:59 PM
No they wouldn't. The Bulls without Rose would have no offensive generator, and no one to go to in crunch time. Rose sparks the Bulls offense. Without Rose, Deng might be the best offensive player they have, and that already means they will not even touch 50 wins. Their defense wouldn't be enough to keep them at the top of the East. The Milwaukee Bucks are a fine example of why you can't win with only defense.

Noted and agreed. Their offense would be putrid. However let me put it like this instead. Which team would win more games and please be honest.

-Bulls as is with only Monta Ellis or Russel Westbrook replacing Rose as PG (Tom Thibodeau as the coach)

-Bulls as is WITH Rose (Stan Van Gundy as the coach)

DaBear
05-03-2011, 11:01 PM
Noted and agreed. Their offense would be putrid. However let me put it like this instead. Which team would win more games and please be honest.

-Bulls as is with only Monta Ellis or Russel Westbrook replacing Rose as PG (Tom Thibodeau as the coach)

-Bulls as is WITH Rose (Stan Van Gundy as the coach)

Rose is clearly better than Ellis, and Westbrook is a product of having the scoring champion on his team.

Yes, Thibbs is a better coach than SVG. But let's not act like SVG is such a crappy coach. He took the Magic to the Finals 2 years ago, and did pretty well with the Miami Heat. I think the Bulls would be around a 55 win team with Rose and SVG as coach. Maybe a 45 win team with Ellis or Westbrook. What people forget is Rose gets double teamed a lot and opens up shots for his teammates. Ellis and Westbrook don't get the same treatment.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 11:07 PM
I think LeBron is the most dominant player in the game, so I think that makes you a biased Howard fan.

And your second argument is a bunch of conspiracy ********. Don't expect people to take you serious with those type of posts. They can give you reasons as to why Rose deserved it over Howard.

I disagree on the Lebron thing. Lebron can be contained unlike Howard.

On the second part :pity: PSD ignorance at its best. Thats no conspiracy theory, its common sense. All of sports, all of television, anything you see in television including the news at 6 is a business. Its all money driven. These analysts are paid. These journalists are paid. Wake up man. If i said that the NBA lottery is fixed and that Stern will make sure the Heat and Lakers make it to the finals then THAT is a cospiracy theory... Me saying that ESPN hypes up players in a "supply and demand" mindet is just the truth. What the public wants to hear ESPN will provide. Whatever it takes to get ratings and sell merchandise for sponsors is what ESPN will hype up.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 11:09 PM
Rose is clearly better than Ellis, and Westbrook is a product of having the scoring champion on his team.

Yes, Thibbs is a better coach than SVG. But let's not act like SVG is such a crappy coach. He took the Magic to the Finals 2 years ago, and did pretty well with the Miami Heat. I think the Bulls would be around a 55 win team with Rose and SVG as coach. Maybe a 45 win team with Ellis or Westbrook. What people forget is Rose gets double teamed a lot and opens up shots for his teammates. Ellis and Westbrook don't get the same treatment.

:laugh2: ok... Your very consistent in your belief. Respect and props.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 11:13 PM
I disagree on the Lebron thing. Lebron can be contained unlike Howard.

Because LeBron can play any position, and when LeBron is on fire no one can stop him. Dwight Howard is dominating a weak position. Shaq prime or the Dream would make Howard his *****.

On the second part :pity: PSD ignorance at its best. Thats no conspiracy theory, its common sense. All of sports, all of television, anything you see in television including the news at 6 is a business. Its all money driven. These analysts are paid. These journalists are paid. Wake up man. If i said that the NBA lottery is fixed and that Stern will make sure the Heat and Lakers make it to the finals then THAT is a cospiracy theory... Me saying that ESPN hypes up players in a "supply and demand" mindet is just the truth. What the public wants to hear ESPN will provide. Whatever it takes to get ratings and sell merchandise for sponsors is what ESPN will hype up.

Yes, all these years Stern wanted the Spurs in the Finals..:facepalm:

BTW, if Stern really cared about marketing the big names as much as you think, Nash would have never won an MVP award and yet he won it twice.

Come up with something better than just a fantasy.

Bulls_fan90
05-03-2011, 11:15 PM
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DaBear
05-03-2011, 11:16 PM
:laugh2: ok... Your very consistent in your belief. Respect and props.

What a weak comeback. Nothing intellectual at all in this response. For the 5th time, can you just stop now? I know I'm not the only person who told you this..

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 11:20 PM
Sorry, but that's where the argument stops. Rose is better than CP3 and is a better playmaker as well. You could argue CP3 has better defense and is a better passer, but Rose is without a doubt a better clutch player than CP3 and a bigger scoring threat. And no, players like Rose don't come in every draft. Players who are top 10 in points and assists don't come by in every draft. This is going into another argument so let's just stop now. The NBA judges have spoken, and Rose handled Howard in first place votes. Nuff said.

BTW, Howard is a good scorer, but doesn't have a dominant post game. In fact, there are no C's who have lock down defense other than Howard, which brings me to my point again that todays C's are weak.

Rose is not better than Chris Paul. In fact that is so undebatable that i will not try to start that debate. It is clear that your blinded by bias on that post. Most of your posts are actually pretty sound so i'll jst pretend you didn't say that. Rose is not even a true PG. Stop looking at superficial stats like per game stats

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 11:29 PM
Yes, all these years Stern wanted the Spurs in the Finals..:facepalm:

BTW, if Stern really cared about marketing the big names as much as you think, Nash would have never won an MVP award and yet he won it twice.

Come up with something better than just a fantasy.

I never claimed that there are any conspiracies. Read what i actually stated. I stated that those examples WOULD be examples of conspiracy theories. I never said its on Stern. I said its a business. For example if i wanted to open up a sports store and i was choosing my first wave of mechandise i would be smart to start with Rose merchandise, Carmelo Anthony merchandise etc. Its what sells the most. Sure i might sell a few Howard jerseys but my cash cow would be Rose, Kobe etc. Its the exciting scorers that will get me the money, Its the same with ESPN, Sure they can hype up any player they want but thats not smart business. If ESPN wants the rating they need to hype up the players that the public is hungry for. The public wants Rose so the public gets Rose. They want Melo so they get Melo. Its pretty simple. Its no conspiracy, its business.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 11:32 PM
He mad.

The Bulls fans outnumber me here 1000-1 and i respond to anyone that addresses me. So do the math. Of course i will have a lot of posts. Just because im so outnumbered doesn't mean i will give up my personal opinions and views. I dont fold under numbers; only under undeniable facts. I have no problem going against the PSD cool kids :D

NYtilIdie
05-03-2011, 11:36 PM
To say Rose is better then CP3 clearly shows you don't watch many games outside of Chicago and most likely just ignored his phenomenal series against the Lakers, where he easily recorded a triple-double.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 11:36 PM
What a weak comeback. Nothing intellectual at all in this response. :cry: :cry: For the 5th time, can you just stop now? :cry: :cry: I know I'm not the only person who told you this..

I dont get what your trying to prove here so i fixed i for ya...

DaBear
05-03-2011, 11:36 PM
Rose is not better than Chris Paul. In fact that is so undebatable that i will not try to start that debate. It is clear that your blinded by bias on that post. Most of your posts are actually pretty sound so i'll jst pretend you didn't say that. Rose is not even a true PG. Stop looking at superficial stats like per game stats

Undebatable? Paul has been in the NBA for 3 years more than Rose, and Rose's first three years easily beat Pauls first three years. Rose is more of a scoring threat and it's not close. People who say Rose is not a true PG are morons. Does that mean Magic and Isiah were not true PG's either? I won't argue that Chris Paul is a better facilitator than Rose, but in no way is he a better overall player than Rose. Rose is more athletic, more clutch, and has better playmaking ability than CP3. If someone had to pick between CP3 and Rose to take over a game, Rose is the easy answer. CP3 would be excellent for a team that already has great scorers and only needs a facilitator. Rose provides both ends of the spectrum.

Keep hating on the MVP.

DaBear
05-03-2011, 11:38 PM
I dont get what your trying to prove here so i fixed i for ya...

Is a Howard apologist really using cry smilies? :laugh: :laugh:

You've been :cry: throughout this whole thread and it's evident because you have the most posts in this thread!

TheRunKiller
05-03-2011, 11:38 PM
hey chill will its ok i'll remind you who the MVP is no matter what you say or think

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Chill_Will_24
05-03-2011, 11:41 PM
To say Rose is better then CP3 clearly shows you don't watch many games outside of Chicago and most likely just ignored his phenomenal series against the Lakers, where he easily recorded a triple-double.

Stop it bro. Im bearing thru this because i have a thick skin but these CHI fans are brutal. They will eat you alive. Just a fair warning :D To them the PG rankings are

1.Rose
2.Deng
3.Boozer
4.Noah

THEN

5.CP3
6.Deron
7.Rondo
8.Westbrook

TheRunKiller
05-03-2011, 11:44 PM
To say Rose is better then CP3 clearly shows you don't watch many games outside of Chicago and most likely just ignored his phenomenal series against the Lakers, where he easily recorded a triple-double.

CP3 looked like he was having fun watching the mia/boston game from the stands lol