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Avenged
04-25-2011, 04:20 AM
Game 4 (Grizzlies lead 2-1)

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Monday, April 25, 2011
8:00 PM ET
TV: TNT

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Projected Starting Lineup


Point Guard
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Mike Conley--------------------------Tony Parker


Shooting Guard
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Sam Young--------------------------Manu Ginobili


Small Forward
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Tony Allen--------------------------Richard Jefferson


Power Forward
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Zach Randolph--------------------------Antonio McDyess


Center
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Marc Gasol--------------------------Tim Duncan

Preview

MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- Maybe the Memphis Grizzlies really did tank those last couple of games of the regular season because they really did want to see mighty San Antonio in the first round of the playoffs. Maybe Lionel Hollins will eventually be able to admit that to us someday.

Trust me, though.

Hollins did not want this.

Nowhere to be found on Hollins' wish list was the script that had the Grizzlies coming home to roll up a 15-point lead, surrender all of that lead, transform the most raucous crowd in Grizzlies history into the most jittery Grizzlies crowd of all time … and then mis-run the most important play of the game.

"The play kinda got busted," Hollins admitted later. "I screwed it up during the timeout. I didn't want it the way it was [run]."

Yet you suspect he'll live with the result. The ball never made its way inside to Marc Gasol as diagrammed in Saturday night's final minute, landing instead in the hands of Zach Randolph behind the 3-point line with the shot clock ticking down fast and Tim Duncan daring him to shoot. It all became a bit more bearable when Randolph -- after shooting 8-for-43 from deep in the regular season -- rainbowed in the triple from the right wing with 41.9 seconds remaining and ultimately clinched a 91-88 win.

So ...

The real screw-up in this Game 3 for Hollins would have been successfully digging his eyes out, which appeared to be his intent about halfway through the fourth quarter at the height of Memphis' crunch-time exasperation. He instead had the rare pleasure of watching his eighth-seeded upstarts contribute to an evening of wild finishes all over the NBA map and secure another slice of history, escaping with the Grizzlies' first home playoff win when the famously poised Spurs did something historic of their own: malfunctioning as badly as anyone could remember at the end.

Randolph (25 points) gave the Spurs one last chance when he missed another way-out jumper with just under seven seconds to go. But George Hill advanced the rebound faster than Spurs coach Gregg Popovich could call timeout before pitching the ball to Manu Ginobili, who wound up getting himself trapped by Gasol and Mike Conley along the right sideline without even getting a shot off. Which left Duncan -- already in disbelief after Randolph's bomb -- asking referee John Goble in vain after the buzzer how he could possibly miss TD signaling for a TO.

Hearkening back to Randolph's 3, Duncan said: "I didn't assume that was in his arsenal at that point of the game."

More than a few assumptions perished on this night, despite the palpable here-we-go-again dread that unmistakably spread through just the season's fifth sellout at the FedExForum when the Grizz -- 0-6 lifetime at home in the playoffs and 0-4 in this building before Saturday's breakthrough -- found themselves locked in an 80-80 game with 5:14 to go.

Lots of locals might have been too nervous in that fourth quarter to wave those white "Growl Towels" with the same fervor they did in the first half, but now they know that the new Grizzlies don't always fold. Just as these Spurs can't simply presume that experience will bail them out, as it so often has in the past, because the Grizz -- as Shane Battier likes to say -- appear to be too young and oblivious to know that No. 8 seeds aren't supposed to torment 61-win teams like they have.

Someone asked Conley if this was the win that officially announced the Grizzlies to the nation, to which he replied: "I hope so. If we're not [for real] now, then we will be. We're not worried about what people think. We're just going to keep grinding and playing our way until people give us respect. I know the Spurs respect us."

Affirmative. The Spurs will be unashamedly grateful to get back to San Antonio for Game 5 at 2-2 given the issues they're facing now, starting with Tony Parker's consistent inability to outplay Conley after being hailed by his coaches for turning in the most consistent regular season of his career.

The failure to call a timeout to set up a final shot in a one-possession game was embarrassing. Ditto for the fact that (A) Duncan set the tone for the evening by airballing his first free throw and (B) Randolph made almost as many 3s as the usually deadly Spurs (2-for-15) did as a team.

But Parker's struggles are the biggest worry, even bigger than Antonio McDyess' scary late exit after McDyess injured his neck in a tangle with Duncan. With Ginobili already playing hurt thanks to that sprained right elbow, San Antonio needs Parker to win the matchup at point guard. Parker certainly had the flashier shoes in Game 3, switching to his silver space-boot look, but Conley has been undeniably steadier. The next time Parker conclusively wins that matchup will be the first.

"We were not sharp enough finding our teammates," Ginobili said, shifting some of the blame onto himself in a bid to perhaps ease the rising burden on Parker. "Two-for-15 is not us. We've been the best 3-point-shooting team in the league for 82 games."

As for McDyess?

"Timmy came down on my neck and bent it sideways," Dice said. "That was some of the worst pain I've encountered. My arm was totally numb. I've never experienced anything like that. The doctors say it's just a bad stinger. I think I'll be OK. They say all the feeling will come back eventually."

One more worry for the trailing Spurs: Memphis' confidence is bound to spike now that it has managed to deliver for its desperate fan base. The Grizzlies look decidedly unfazed by the crowd's high expectations. Or their ongoing struggles from outside, apart from Randolph's fairy-tale triple. Or the glaring lack of a dependable backup, with apologies to Greivis Vasquez, to get Conley some rest.

Even Hollins, frequently annoyed by the questions he gets from the press, sounded almost nostalgic as he spoke of his excitement "for the city of Memphis" and couldn't stifle a broad smile when asked to share what he was really thinking when Randolph hoisted his bailout rainbow.

"I'm glad he did," Hollins said.

"We've still got miles to go, but I'm happy we are where we are."

MJ-BULLS
04-25-2011, 04:24 AM
I will take the Grizz again.

NYKnicksAllDay
04-25-2011, 04:24 AM
This is a tough call. But I'll take the Grizz.

PraiseJesus
04-25-2011, 04:46 AM
Griz Wins

Sportfan
04-25-2011, 04:48 AM
Spurs will get their **** together

lilojmayo
04-25-2011, 05:12 AM
Need Tony Allen to play hard defense on Manu. Need OJ Mayo to knock down shots, especially if the double Z-bo.

Crackadalic
04-25-2011, 05:28 AM
Memphis taking this

The Jokemaker
04-25-2011, 07:55 AM
Should be a good game. I won't be surprised if the Spurs or Grizz win it. These games have been coming down to the last 5 or so mins of the 4th quarter and whoever is to make plays on offense and defense wins the game. I think Memphis winning Saturday took a lot of pressure off of them to make history and finally get that win at home. Now they can focus 110% on beating the Spurs.

Don't be surprised if Tony Parker goes off tonight.

Heater4life
04-25-2011, 08:18 AM
Awesome to see the Grizz handle their business. But i cant help to expect the Spurs to pull through.

mttwlsn16
04-25-2011, 08:47 AM
grizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzlies

kdspurman
04-25-2011, 09:44 AM
Give the grizzlies credit they have played great. I think san antonio wins cause its a must win as was game 2. You gotta figure at some point those 3's will go in. It's pretty ironic a team that has shot the 3 so well during the reg season has lost both games 1 and game 3 by 3 points each... while shooting a very low % from 3. go figure...
i think a couple more of those will drop tonight probably from guys like neal and bonner, and we can only hope tony parker gets his crap together. he was horrendous to watch trying to force a 1 on 3 fast break sometimes...:facepalm: i take spurs in a tight one 96-89.

BTW, It's Timmy's b-day today... Only fitting they win right? :(

SteBO
04-25-2011, 09:45 AM
I'll take the Spurs in this one. They need to win this game.

LakersIn5
04-25-2011, 10:51 AM
grizz win on oj mayo's buzzer beater. grizz 96 spurs 94

iggypop123
04-25-2011, 12:06 PM
if memhis is gonna win this series it has to be tonights game.

69centers
04-25-2011, 01:48 PM
Grizz go up 3-1 and I don't see the Spurs coming back to win 3 straight. However if the Spurs win tonight, I see them taking the series. I think this game decides the series.

Chacarron
04-25-2011, 01:49 PM
if memhis is gonna win this series it has to be tonights game.

My thoughts exactly.

210Don
04-25-2011, 02:00 PM
must win for both teams

J.Twiggy
04-25-2011, 02:00 PM
Spurs win this game i think i don't think Memphis has what it takes to win the series

JordansBulls
04-25-2011, 02:13 PM
Would be nice to see the Grizz win this one.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2011, 02:51 PM
Spurs will have a tough time winning in the grindhouse tonight...Allen stays out of foul trouble, gets 15 pts, holds Manu to under 20 pts(despite attempting at least 10 ft)

Chi StateOfMind
04-25-2011, 03:31 PM
I'll be rootin' for the Grizz but I just don't see SA losing round 1 and this game. If somehow the Grizz get this win tonight I think this series is OVA!!
But with that said I say Surs win this one:

Spurs 103-98

J.Twiggy
04-25-2011, 03:52 PM
Spurs are really gonna have to fight and claw to get this one cause Memphis just beats you up

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-25-2011, 04:04 PM
Should be a good game. I won't be surprised if the Spurs or Grizz win it. These games have been coming down to the last 5 or so mins of the 4th quarter and whoever is to make plays on offense and defense wins the game. I think Memphis winning Saturday took a lot of pressure off of them to make history and finally get that win at home. Now they can focus 110% on beating the Spurs.

Don't be surprised if Tony Parker goes off tonight.

lol... Really? That's quite a bold prediction! :p

Iron24th
04-25-2011, 04:14 PM
Tough one for the spurs,but I will not be surprised if they win.

championships
04-25-2011, 04:21 PM
Spurs will be a very hard team to close out. They won't just lay down, They will put up a fight. I can see the Spurs pride keeping them from losing this game.

The Jokemaker
04-25-2011, 04:21 PM
lol... Really? That's quite a bold prediction! :p

I wasn't predicting a winner but I voted the Spurs to win. My prediction was for a close game that could go either way.

Aren't you funny ;)

210Don
04-25-2011, 08:20 PM
now this is our type of play!!!!

The Jokemaker
04-25-2011, 08:21 PM
Wow so that was a foul on Duncan? Yeah ok....

drobe86
04-25-2011, 08:25 PM
Grizz look like the better team. Z-BO and Gasol own every post player the Spurs have. It'll come down to the guard play and the benches. It's gonna be electric, I'll take the Grizz by 2....

AlexTmz2
04-25-2011, 08:34 PM
finally tiago comes in!!!!

FaM0us Skins
04-25-2011, 08:35 PM
great 1st quarter

FaM0us Skins
04-25-2011, 08:36 PM
We're shooting great right now and we are actually playing good defense

210Don
04-25-2011, 08:37 PM
spurs look great i say we win in 6 if we play like this next 2 games

AlexTmz2
04-25-2011, 08:39 PM
im just glad splitter is finally in. bout time pop!

AlexTmz2
04-25-2011, 08:43 PM
im sick and tired of seeing bonner out there. if he can't make 3's sit him down!!!!

Sadds The Gr8
04-25-2011, 08:44 PM
pretty crazy how things change once the playoffs come. i remember Memphis being one of the crappiest home courts in the league in the reg season...the seats were always empty. now that its the playoffs the place is packed and they're so loud

lilojmayo
04-25-2011, 08:47 PM
pretty crazy how things change once the playoffs come. i remember Memphis being one of the crappiest home courts in the league in the reg season...the seats were always empty. now that its the playoffs the place is packed and they're so loud

It is called bandwagoners.


When OJ puts the ball on the floor good things happen

Dr.Manhatten
04-25-2011, 08:54 PM
Grizz are impressive. The Spurs have shot 57%, and the Grizz have shot 43%, but the game is still tight.

The Jokemaker
04-25-2011, 08:55 PM
Good god the refs have been terrible this series. Then again its the NBA so that is to be expected.

FaM0us Skins
04-25-2011, 08:58 PM
Dice is pissed lmao. These refs suck

210Don
04-25-2011, 08:58 PM
Lol @ thar foul dyess never complains

Punk
04-25-2011, 08:59 PM
U mad antonio? Lol

210Don
04-25-2011, 09:00 PM
U mad antonio? Lol

cause that was a foul right? :facepalm:

Hawkeye15
04-25-2011, 09:03 PM
Grizz are a terrible matchup for the Spurs. The Spurs are better than this, but the Grizz present speed, and size, something the Spurs struggle with at this point.

Punk
04-25-2011, 09:05 PM
Conley with a sexy layup

Mishmin
04-25-2011, 09:06 PM
Once you guys get Rudy Gay back, you're going to have a serious squad Memphis. Take down the spurs!

Punk
04-25-2011, 09:07 PM
Wow Manu!

Mishmin
04-25-2011, 09:08 PM
That double behind the back play by Manu was dirty though.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2011, 09:16 PM
We are only down 2 and we have played like crap...get marc and zach involved, contain tony, and we got this easy

Purple&Gold24
04-25-2011, 09:17 PM
Speed is killing the spurs.

Tanakid777
04-25-2011, 09:19 PM
any foul in which haywood doesn't convert the bucket is a lost cause

Tanakid777
04-25-2011, 09:19 PM
wow... Satan needs a sweater right now

Tanakid777
04-25-2011, 09:21 PM
lol wrong thread. My bad.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2011, 09:25 PM
lol wrong thread. My bad.

haha yeah i was like wtf

kdspurman
04-25-2011, 09:26 PM
it would be so great if matt bonner could knock down some of those open 3's. if we can knock down a couple and cut down the turnovers maybe we can pull away.

AlexTmz2
04-25-2011, 09:29 PM
yesss finally they put timmy and tiago together. love the change pop!

210Don
04-25-2011, 09:38 PM
were done.... blow this team up end of an era

Punk
04-25-2011, 09:41 PM
Tony allen!!!!!

m26555
04-25-2011, 09:41 PM
Is this reminding anyone else of Warriors/Mavericks back in '07?

evadatam5150
04-25-2011, 09:42 PM
were done.... blow this team up end of an era

That didn't sound hopeful.. ;)

210Don
04-25-2011, 09:48 PM
the spurs wont lay down but there just too old dont have enough away

Purple&Gold24
04-25-2011, 09:50 PM
were done.... blow this team up end of an era

Wow you should have more confidence in your team, game aint over yet.
This series can easily be tied tonight and you guys can go up 3-2.

210Don
04-25-2011, 09:50 PM
Wow you should have more confidence in your team, game aint over yet.
This series can easily be tied tonight and you guys can go up 3-2.

just doesnt look well....:( end of an era sad.

FaM0us Skins
04-25-2011, 09:51 PM
Duncan turned 35 today.

Punk
04-25-2011, 09:54 PM
Gasol!

The Jokemaker
04-25-2011, 09:58 PM
Hustle, desire, and chemistry.

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 09:58 PM
Memphis is seexy

kingbrentg
04-25-2011, 09:59 PM
Wow. The Spurs might actually be in big trouble...

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 09:59 PM
all without gay They probably shouldn't have give Gay the max and payed marc

king4day
04-25-2011, 10:00 PM
If the Griz win this series I wouldn't even consider it in the top 10 of biggest playoff upsets of all time.

Memphis has a complete team with an allstar PF. Great mix of youth and vets. There's no reason not to think they can go far in the postseason.

Crackadalic
04-25-2011, 10:00 PM
Wow grizz are up big.

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:01 PM
Wow the Spurs look cooked

Crackadalic
04-25-2011, 10:01 PM
If the Griz win this series I wouldn't even consider it in the top 10 of biggest playoff upsets of all time.

Memphis has a complete team with an allstar PF. Great mix of youth and vets. There's no reason not to think they can go far in the postseason.

They probably could. If they win this series they face OKC then Lakers/Mavs so who knows. I wont be shock if the came out the west IMO

Sadds The Gr8
04-25-2011, 10:01 PM
I think the Spurs era is officially done

The Jokemaker
04-25-2011, 10:02 PM
If the Griz win this series I wouldn't even consider it in the top 10 of biggest playoff upsets of all time.

Memphis has a complete team with an allstar PF. Great mix of youth and vets. There's no reason not to think they can go far in the postseason.

Ignore the record in the first half of the season and look at how they've played since Jan 1. That is the indicator of this team.

J.Twiggy
04-25-2011, 10:02 PM
I think Spurs make the comeback and win.

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:02 PM
yup and i wouldnt be surprised if this grizz team won the west
you beat the spurs you can beat anyone

SteBO
04-25-2011, 10:03 PM
Impressive Grizzlies!! :speechless: They look really good right now.

Purple&Gold24
04-25-2011, 10:04 PM
just doesnt look well....:( end of an era sad.

I guess, looks like the younger teams in the west are having it their wa :sigh:

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:04 PM
OJ the Juiceman

OldSchoolBulls1
04-25-2011, 10:04 PM
Wow the classiest team in the NBA is about to end an ERA of the most fundamentally sound teams known in the past 2 decades. Wow Its painful to see age kickin in. They look like old men trying to hang with the young bucs at the YMCA:facepalm: Kinda sad...but thats life aint it.... Lakers are next

kingbrentg
04-25-2011, 10:05 PM
Arthur! Rock Chalk!

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 10:05 PM
Why can't Memphis be contenders

Dr.Manhatten
04-25-2011, 10:05 PM
I don't know why, but have a feeling the Spurs may comeback and get this series.

evadatam5150
04-25-2011, 10:05 PM
Gasol!

Seriously..!!! This type of post is just annoying..!!!

Diarrhea...!!!

Moving on.. Never been a Spurs fan but they aren't the type to lay over.. Sadly they have had a better season than I would have given them credit for and it appears that 7 games series may be a tad too much for them.. Not over til it's over though..

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:05 PM
very sad but im accepting it

Hawkeye15
04-25-2011, 10:06 PM
yup and i wouldnt be surprised if this grizz team won the west
you beat the spurs you can beat anyone

no way. Its called matchup issues, and the Spurs have one with Memphis. The Lakers and Thunder can handle Memphis no sweat. The Spurs just can't deal with speed, and the length of the Grizz inside so far.

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:06 PM
Lol This is turning ugly for the Spurs

Dr.Manhatten
04-25-2011, 10:06 PM
Parker with 7 turnovers.

Hawkeye15
04-25-2011, 10:07 PM
On one hand, I am so glad to see KG better than Duncan now, with no argument. The other part of me is sad that I am watching an all time great that I have followed age into obscurity.

Duncan is done. Sad day.

evadatam5150
04-25-2011, 10:07 PM
Why can't Memphis be contenders

Just a fallacy of thinking.. They've been down so long it's hard for people to consider them at all..

Your sig is funny.. *Nicks back where they belong*.. Does that mean home watching the playoffs.. :D

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:08 PM
Grizz Nation is finally here. The NBA landscape is turning

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:08 PM
no way. Its called matchup issues, and the Spurs have one with Memphis. The Lakers and Thunder can handle Memphis no sweat. The Spurs just can't deal with speed, and the length of the Grizz inside so far.

manu isnt manu as well a healthy manu maybe another outcome.... grant hill ended our season

lilojmayo
04-25-2011, 10:08 PM
OJ the Juiceman

OJ getting traded this off season. I think he going to the Bulls or Knicks.


Don't sleep on Orlando, I see Otis making a run at him.

Lakerhead4ever
04-25-2011, 10:09 PM
manu isnt manu as well a healthy manu maybe another outcome.... grant hill ended our season

why are u given up on ur team bro???

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 10:10 PM
Richard jefferson will always be a big mouth loser

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:10 PM
why are u given up on ur team bro???

it hurts....

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 10:11 PM
Just a fallacy of thinking.. They've been down so long it's hard for people to consider them at all..

Your sig is funny.. *Nicks back where they belong*.. Does that mean home watching the playoffs.. :D

Sad but true

Kinda felt like they weren't even in the playoffs to be honest

Jonathan2323
04-25-2011, 10:11 PM
Doesn't matter how many wins you have in the regular season. You just know when a team isn't as good as their record indicates.

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:11 PM
OJ getting traded this off season. I think he going to the Bulls or Knicks.


Don't sleep on Orlando, I see Otis making a run at him.

We are more interested in Gasol but adding OJ would be great.

MJ-BULLS
04-25-2011, 10:12 PM
OJ getting traded this off season. I think he going to the Bulls or Knicks.


Don't sleep on Orlando, I see Otis making a run at him.

I wish we had mayo right now haha.

The grizz are putting in a great fight. showing alot of heart. :clap:

Avenged
04-25-2011, 10:12 PM
Damn, Spurs.. What the heck is going on? Underdogs throughout the West are putting up a dog fight for the exception of the Nuggets..

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 10:13 PM
I really think a team like memphis winning a title is good for the league New blood

Hawkeye15
04-25-2011, 10:14 PM
manu isnt manu as well a healthy manu maybe another outcome.... grant hill ended our season

Rudy Gay isn't even playing either.

The Grizz have a matchup nightmare that resembles the Warriors-Mavs series. Fact is, Duncan is not the same Duncan anymore. Hasn't been all season, some of you are slow to realize this. His dominance is done.

allSUAVE
04-25-2011, 10:14 PM
EVERYBODY' thought i was crazy when i said watch out for Memphis!

my number one sleeper

SteBO
04-25-2011, 10:14 PM
Top dogs of the west spurs have just run into a huge matchup problem. Randolph and Gasol are just having their way in this series.

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:15 PM
spurs just have too many pussys couldnt even beat a wnba team

kingbrentg
04-25-2011, 10:15 PM
This one is over.

Hawkeye15
04-25-2011, 10:15 PM
Doesn't matter how many wins you have in the regular season. You just know when a team isn't as good as their record indicates.

no, that isn't it. If the Spurs drew NO, they would be fine. The Grizz just present a matchup issue

evadatam5150
04-25-2011, 10:15 PM
The Spurs aren't going to win this game heaving up 3's like they're going out of style.. I count 4 of their last 5 shots are prayers from downtown.. Stupid...

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:15 PM
Arther looks like Duncan :laugh2:

Lakerhead4ever
04-25-2011, 10:15 PM
Damn, anybody think duncan will retire if they get put oit of the post season this early?

Crackadalic
04-25-2011, 10:16 PM
Damn, Spurs.. What the heck is going on? Underdogs throughout the West are putting up a dog fight for the exception of the Nuggets..

That OKC/Denver series was suppose to go to 7 games. guess not

J.Twiggy
04-25-2011, 10:16 PM
The Grizz are just too big inside.

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:16 PM
the last round up...

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:16 PM
Shane just hit a wide open shot

MJ-BULLS
04-25-2011, 10:16 PM
Conley does a great job of leading his grizz. Nice find.

Crackadalic
04-25-2011, 10:16 PM
Lmao "the last Round Up". There already putting up promos that there finish?

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 10:16 PM
The way people feel about okc is how i feel about memphis Like everything about this team

Hustlenomics
04-25-2011, 10:17 PM
:laugh2:

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:17 PM
I really think a team like memphis winning a title is good for the league New blood

I'm pretty sure OKC winning a title this year would certainly do that.

poleandreel
04-25-2011, 10:18 PM
I find it hilarious that the #1 seed spurs get a much tougher matchup than the 2nd seed lakers. Not only is new orleans worse than memphis, they do not even have their 2nd best player.

LA would be in the same problem the spurs are in if they had to vs the grizzlies. Seeing as how they are struggling to beat the hornets

Kobes a Killer
04-25-2011, 10:18 PM
I'm pretty sure OKC winning a title this year would certainly do that.

I'm pretty sure neither team is winning the title...

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 10:18 PM
The future is now

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 10:19 PM
I'm pretty sure OKC winning a title this year would certainly do that.

Memphis would own OKC

Fool
04-25-2011, 10:19 PM
And then the Thunder will have a wide open path to the WCF.

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:19 PM
Spurs are waving the white flag :(

SteBO
04-25-2011, 10:20 PM
This is getting very ugly for the Spurs. It's a shame they had to run into this team. But I must admit, I thought the Spurs would win this series in 5 games. :laugh2: The grizzlies are really proving wrong, and in dominant fashion.

evadatam5150
04-25-2011, 10:20 PM
The Spurs aren't going to win this game heaving up 3's like they're going out of style.. I count 4 of their last 5 shots are prayers from downtown.. Stupid...

5 of their last 6 shots now 3 pointers..

Jonathan2323
04-25-2011, 10:20 PM
Damn TNT is cold blooded....SPurs fans must be crying right now.

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:21 PM
Memphis would own OKC

Let's not get overboard here. OKC is much better. You aren't gonna win against OKC if Gay is not playing.

The Jokemaker
04-25-2011, 10:21 PM
Talk about humiliation.

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 10:22 PM
total *** beating to the number 1 team

Lakerhead4ever
04-25-2011, 10:22 PM
I find it hilarious that the #1 seed spurs get a much tougher matchup than the 2nd seed lakers. Not only is new orleans worse than memphis, they do not even have their 2nd best player.

LA would be in the same problem the spurs are in if they had to vs the grizzlies. Seeing as how they are struggling to beat the hornets

i wish we would have played the grizzlies! CP3 is killing us ugh

The Jokemaker
04-25-2011, 10:22 PM
Let's not get overboard here. OKC is much better. You aren't gonna win against OKC if Gay is not playing.

People said the same thing a week ago about the Spurs. "If the Grizz had Gay they'd challenge them but otherwise the Spurs will win in 5"

MJ-BULLS
04-25-2011, 10:23 PM
Not really surprised this team is playing like this, i remember the last time we played the grizz, they really put in a fight against the Bulls. Ever since Gay went out.

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:23 PM
nah not crying sucks tho

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:23 PM
Danny Green's shots = Spurs future

Whomewhome
04-25-2011, 10:23 PM
As I predicted Memphis beats the Spurs in round 1. I doubt they will come back from 3-1 down.

Slimsim
04-25-2011, 10:23 PM
Let's not get overboard here. OKC is much better. You aren't gonna win against OKC if Gay is not playing.

I would bet on Memphis and sleep good about it. This team is complete remind me of the 04 pistons

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:24 PM
thunder grizzlies will be a great series cant wait

LALakersKC
04-25-2011, 10:24 PM
Damn.. I feel sorry for the Spurs

king4day
04-25-2011, 10:24 PM
manu isnt manu as well a healthy manu maybe another outcome.... grant hill ended our season

Looks more like the Memphis Grizzlies could end your season. I'm sorry but while it doesn't help to have Manu hurt(ing), him not being healthy isn't costing you this series.

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:25 PM
People said the same thing a week ago about the Spurs. "If the Grizz had Gay they'd challenge them but otherwise the Spurs will win in 5"

You would have a legit chance against OKC if they never made the Perkins trade.

You cannot win a 7 game series against OKC without Gay for offense. Randolph and Gasol will wear down eventually.

Arther won't get open shots cause Ibaka can guard him from out there.

You guys have no one to guard Westbrook, etc.

evadatam5150
04-25-2011, 10:26 PM
i wish we would have played the grizzlies! CP3 is killing us ugh

Lakers are pretty much done as well... Poor saps blew what was left of their collective wad in the second half of the season.. they're just a painful group to watch and won't get past the 2nd round if they get past the 1st round.. Which is very debatable..

FaM0us Skins
04-25-2011, 10:28 PM
we lost this game smh

Whomewhome
04-25-2011, 10:28 PM
Lakers are pretty much done as well... Poor saps blew what was left of their collective wad in the second half of the season.. they're just a painful group to watch and won't get past the 2nd round if they get past the 1st round.. Which is very debatable..
The Lakers will still win their series. It might be longer then what people expected but I fully expect them to win! Where as the Spurs are toast

Avenged
04-25-2011, 10:28 PM
Memphis is fortunate that Gay went down.. Yeah it sucks to have one of your players go down with an injury, but the Grizzlies are playing better without him in my opinion.

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:29 PM
i feel bad for dyess

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:29 PM
This is the end of an era.

Crackadalic
04-25-2011, 10:29 PM
You would have a legit chance against OKC if they never made the Perkins trade.

You cannot win a 7 game series against OKC without Gay for offense. Randolph and Gasol will wear down eventually.

Arther won't get open shots cause Ibaka can guard him from out there.

You guys have no one to guard Westbrook, etc.

i think your underestimating how good of a defensive player Tony allen is. he better be on the All nba defense 1st team. Battier isnt a pushover either and will give KD fits

HuRRiCaNeS324
04-25-2011, 10:30 PM
Hate to say it, but thats karma for all you Spurs fans saying the Mavs are a bunch of chokers lol.

ChI_ShIzzLe
04-25-2011, 10:30 PM
They couldn't find a better song? :laugh:

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:31 PM
Memphis is fortunate that Gay went down.. Yeah it sucks to have one of your players go down with an injury, but the Grizzlies are playing better without him in my opinion.

That's cause nobody gave them a chance once Gay went down. Then OJ and Allen got into that fight and ever since all of that they went into a Team First mode and it's been successful.

They can really be an elite team once Gay is healthy next year and if they can keep Gasol.

dnewguy
04-25-2011, 10:31 PM
I feel sorry for the Pacers tomorrow.

Goodnight folks.

MVP1
04-25-2011, 10:31 PM
Lets hope this run translates to better attendance numbers for Memphis next season.

marvILLous
04-25-2011, 10:31 PM
Don't kid yourselves Memphis will not beat Okc lol

Too much firepower from durant, Westbrook and harden. They also have the big bodies to bang with zbo and gasol. I would expect a quick 5 game series for Okc..

Sadds The Gr8
04-25-2011, 10:33 PM
Don't kid yourselves Memphis will not beat Okc lol

Too much firepower from durant, Westbrook and harden. They also have the big bodies to bang with zbo and gasol. I would expect a quick 5 game series for Okc..

i dont think it'd be easy. Memphis has Battier to guard Durant, and Tony Allen can even guard Westbrook or even Durant if needed. i think OKC would win but it'd be 6 or 7

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:33 PM
i think your underestimating how good of a defensive player Tony allen is. he better be on the All nba defense 1st team. Battier isnt a pushover either and will give KD fits

OKC doesn't need Durant to score only. Westbrook can score. Ibaka can score. Harden can score.

Allen is a good defender but he's no Ron Artest.

SteBO
04-25-2011, 10:33 PM
Don't kid yourselves Memphis will not beat Okc lol

Too much firepower from durant, Westbrook and harden. They also have the big bodies to bang with zbo and gasol. I would expect a quick 5 game series for Okc..
You can expect that to happen, but don't count on it happening. The Grizzlies would push them to six in my opinion. OKC would ultimately win though.

Lakerhead4ever
04-25-2011, 10:34 PM
Lakers are pretty much done as well... Poor saps blew what was left of their collective wad in the second half of the season.. they're just a painful group to watch and won't get past the 2nd round if they get past the 1st round.. Which is very debatable..

don't get ahead of yourself evadatam, the spurs and lakers are two different teams

marlinsfan24
04-25-2011, 10:37 PM
You guys realize that the Spurs aren't out yet right? Still one game to go! I still believe :pray:

J.Twiggy
04-25-2011, 10:37 PM
Grizz will have to come with the same urgency in order to eliminate the Spurs will not be easy.

Hellcrooner
04-25-2011, 10:38 PM
it aint over till its over.

Ask bout that to lakers against suns once in the 90s and another time some years ago.

dnewguy
04-25-2011, 10:38 PM
You guys realize that the Spurs aren't out yet right? Still one game to go! I still believe :pray:

God moved on from the Spurs, accept reality.

Hawkeye15
04-25-2011, 10:40 PM
SOOO many writing off the Spurs. We get it, they are down 3-1. But they are the better team. We shall see what happens

mzgrizz
04-25-2011, 10:41 PM
Book the elimination boys!! No way the Spurs can come back here and win a game !!!

Avenged
04-25-2011, 10:41 PM
The toughest part is yet to come for the Grizzlies..

They're going to have to eliminated a veteran squad.. They need to be focused, and ready to go because the Spurs (and their crowd) will be ready to go.

clehmun
04-25-2011, 10:41 PM
this is what happens when you let tim duncan coast through the WHOLE regular season then expects him to turn it up in the playoffs.

he can't do that (anymore), and his teammates also gets affected because their roles change as well.

SP17
04-25-2011, 10:42 PM
Lakers are pretty much done as well... Poor saps blew what was left of their collective wad in the second half of the season.. they're just a painful group to watch and won't get past the 2nd round if they get past the 1st round.. Which is very debatable..

lol..thinking too much ahead...:D

Hellcrooner
04-25-2011, 10:44 PM
If they get ousted do you see Ducan getting mad and bolting in Free agency in the summer?

ChI_ShIzzLe
04-25-2011, 10:44 PM
Book the elimination boys!! No way the Spurs can come back here and win a game !!!

http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Justin-Bieber-Never-Say-Never-Movie.jpg

MJ-BULLS
04-25-2011, 10:44 PM
The toughest game in a series is always the closing game to close it out. Lets see if they have what it takes to do it.

Punk
04-25-2011, 10:46 PM
SOOO many writing off the Spurs. We get it, they are down 3-1. But they are the better team. We shall see what happens

They were a better team. They are getting a hard dose of reality. They cannot seem to beat Memphis during the regular season and it's showing now.

Duncan has 6 points tonight. RJ with 0.

Come on. They are a dying era. At some point, your not "better" anymore. They haven't played at the same level they did in the regular season.

SteBO
04-25-2011, 10:46 PM
Teams have come back from 3-1 down to win series' before. It is foolish to write the Spurs off now, because Game 5 is coming up on the road in SA and closing out is hard to do, just ask MIA and CHI.

Jonathan2323
04-25-2011, 10:49 PM
Teams have come back from 3-1 down to win series' before. It is foolish to write the Spurs off now, because Game 5 is coming up on the road in SA and closing out is hard to do, just ask MIA and CHI.

No its not. The Spurs cant hang with the Grizz it obvious.

SteBO
04-25-2011, 10:50 PM
No its not. The Spurs cant hang with the Grizz it obvious.
Again, the series is not over. Write them off when they get eliminated.

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:50 PM
its done the team quit pop lost the team

Hellcrooner
04-25-2011, 10:51 PM
This spurs remind me of the 1990-1991 Pistons.
The dudes were old , the show was over and it was all down from that point on.

210Don
04-25-2011, 10:53 PM
This spurs remind me of the 1990-1991 Pistons.
The dudes were old , the show was over and it was all down from that point on.

pretty much weve had a great ride ive seen some great season and great moments... time for some young blood to come in and show us some energy... timmy should really retire after this year

Hangtime
04-25-2011, 10:59 PM
Some of you sound like Kenny Smith tonight. You all refuse to believe the Duncan era is coming to an end. Even if they were to miraculously manage to come back and win the series this team will not win a ship this year.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2011, 11:02 PM
You would have a legit chance against OKC if they never made the Perkins trade.

You cannot win a 7 game series against OKC without Gay for offense. Randolph and Gasol will wear down eventually.

Arther won't get open shots cause Ibaka can guard him from out there.

You guys have no one to guard Westbrook, etc.

We might be able to beat the thunder in a 7 game series....

1) Arthur will still get the open shots, cause if you guard him your giving conley a 15 footer all day

2) Tony Allen can guard westbrook, mike conley is fast enough to stay in front, but not quite strong enough

3) For whatever its worth the grizz have already beat the thunder without Rudy Gay


But i do agree they do match up better with us than the spurs, but dont underestimate the grizz or you'll get bit

TheRunKiller
04-25-2011, 11:05 PM
damn spurs :(

J4KOP99
04-25-2011, 11:07 PM
I can't say I'm completely surprised with what is going on, but it's amazing to watch how easily the Grizz are handling SAS. Pop, Duncan, and the rest of the Spurs are clearly on their lest legs and are getting dominated by a young Grizzlies squad.

J4KOP99
04-25-2011, 11:11 PM
SOOO many writing off the Spurs. We get it, they are down 3-1. But they are the better team. We shall see what happens

I don't see how you can make the argument that the Spurs are STILL the better team...

They once were... But now, it's pretty clear that Memphis has the upper-hand in almost every regard.

It's not completely over but so far Memphis has handled SA with relative ease.

LTBaByyy
04-25-2011, 11:14 PM
Tim Duncan: "GAME OVER."

THE MTL
04-25-2011, 11:15 PM
I'll never write off a team such as the Spurs but it looks like the Grizzlies really have their number though. However, werent they down 1-3 against the Hornets at one point?

mzgrizz
04-25-2011, 11:20 PM
http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Justin-Bieber-Never-Say-Never-Movie.jpg

Bieber??? Really man ??? BTW your sig looks like the Chicago version of The Three Tenors

drobe86
04-25-2011, 11:23 PM
SOOO many writing off the Spurs. We get it, they are down 3-1. But they are the better team. We shall see what happens


What games are you watching? This could have easily been a sweep man. I look for the Grizz to close out next game. The Spurs have no answer for Z-bo and Gasol...

mzgrizz
04-25-2011, 11:24 PM
What games are you watching? This could have easily been a sweep man. I look for the Grizz to close out next game. The Spurs have no answer for Z-bo and Gasol...

:clap::clap::clap:

GodsSon
04-25-2011, 11:29 PM
Grizzlies have looked very impressive

LTBaByyy
04-25-2011, 11:30 PM
If now the Hornets knockout injured Kobe's Lakers..... It will be looking good :)

mzgrizz
04-25-2011, 11:32 PM
Grizzlies have looked very impressive

This Grizzlies team is for real. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO proud of the guys !!!:clap::clap::clap:

fadedmario
04-25-2011, 11:32 PM
Go Grizzlies!!! Congrats Memphis fans - were pulling for you here in Detroit!!!

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2011, 11:34 PM
Go Grizzlies!!! Congrats Memphis fans - were pulling for you here in Detroit!!!

lol @ your sig:D

mzgrizz
04-25-2011, 11:34 PM
Go Grizzlies!!! Congrats Memphis fans - were pulling for you here in Detroit!!!

Thank you DETROIT !!!!!!!!!

Master Mind
04-25-2011, 11:34 PM
With no Rudy Gay either...They've definitely impress me

NetsPaint
04-25-2011, 11:36 PM
This isn't shocking to me at all. So many PSDers laughed at the thought of the Grizzlies winning. The Grizzlies are legit.

mzgrizz
04-25-2011, 11:38 PM
With no Rudy Gay either...They've definitely impress me

I felt bad for Rudy when they were in the huddle after the intro's; had to be a bittersweet moment for him. But he was a HUGE part of our success to get to where we are right now, and he'll be back !! Memphis has a lot to look forward to in the next few years!

mzgrizz
04-25-2011, 11:39 PM
This isn't shocking to me at all. So many PSDers laughed at the thought of the Grizzlies winning. The Grizzlies are legit.

If we had had more games on national TV this season, no one would have been shocked. Surprised a bit, but they would have understood we ARE legit.

GodsSon
04-25-2011, 11:40 PM
If now the Hornets knockout injured Kobe's Lakers..... It will be looking good :)

Why? Dallas will once again find a way to choke.

SP17
04-25-2011, 11:43 PM
Did tanking the last 2 games payed off? Coz I think they could also upset LA with the way we are playing..

mzgrizz
04-25-2011, 11:48 PM
Did tanking the last 2 games payed off? Coz I think they could also upset LA with the way we are playing..

Well, I wasn't happy with not pushing the regular season out the same way we had gotten in the playoffs, but nearly every big market team rested their main players in the last 2 games. Hollins just rested them totally:rolleyes:. I personally wouldn't have minded having the Lakers, I just didn't want 3000 of their fans spoiling our Fed Ex Forum party during the series !!

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2011, 11:52 PM
Well, I wasn't happy with not pushing the regular season out the same way we had gotten in the playoffs, but nearly every big market team rested their main players in the last 2 games. Hollins just rested them totally:rolleyes:. I personally wouldn't have minded having the Lakers, I just didn't want 3000 of their fans spoiling our Fed Ex Forum party during the series !!

exactly mzgrizz... the faker fans are really common in memphis for whatever reason, and the home games would feel like away games at times vs. LA. With that said we could beat anybody if we get the effort we got tonight and DA shows up every game

JCmasta
04-25-2011, 11:54 PM
Spurs about to join the mavs in playoff history soon, great news for OKC fans. Should breeze to the WCF.

Chi StateOfMind
04-25-2011, 11:55 PM
This is unbelieveable I can't believe Memphis is gunna win this series.Congrats Memphis and their fans. I love seeing new teams make it.Sorry Spur fan(210 Don) U guys had ur title run its just a new beginning for these young teams.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2011, 11:57 PM
Spurs about to join the mavs in playoff history soon, great news for OKC fans. Should breeze to the WCF.

nothing is a breeze in the playoffs dude smh:facepalm:

JCmasta
04-26-2011, 12:01 AM
nothing is a breeze in the playoffs dude smh:facepalm:

Oh crap sorry, shouldn't be so insensitive. OKC homecourt is insane though, it will be really difficult to win there.

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2011, 12:03 AM
Oh crap sorry, shouldn't be so insensitive. OKC homecourt is insane though, it will be really difficult to win there.

haha if you think about it it could be the grizz who have the "easy way" to the WCF, we are def not afraid of okc

IndiansFan337
04-26-2011, 12:04 AM
I can't believe how poor the Spurs have looked...Memphis is simply proving to be too athletic for San Antonio...

fadedmario
04-26-2011, 12:04 AM
nothing is a breeze in the playoffs dude smh:facepalm:

Don't listen to him. People on here always talk ****. Grizzlies will hang with OKC.

blahblahyoutoo
04-26-2011, 12:09 AM
i called it early on.
SA is not that good. little did i know they'd be a first round exit.

Bulls_fan90
04-26-2011, 12:17 AM
Go Spurs. Win the next one and the Grizzlies will fold. Spurs in 7.

IversonIsKrazy
04-26-2011, 12:21 AM
I still see spurs winning in 7. Dallas had a 3-1 lead on them as well in '06, but spurs came back to force game 7 only to lose in OT. But I def see Spurs taking care of business at home, have a big road win, followed by a game 7 W against a team who prolly only has 2 players that have played a Game 7.

Iron24th
04-26-2011, 12:35 AM
Key will be game 6,whoever wins this game,wins the series,cause SA will not lose game 5 and game 7 if they can take the series to game 7.

MFFL==FML
04-26-2011, 12:37 AM
Hate to say it, but thats karma for all you Spurs fans saying the Mavs are a bunch of chokers lol.

I think this is the post of the history of PSD... hands down.

ElMarroAfamado
04-26-2011, 01:39 AM
People laughed or got bothered when I said throughout the season the Spurs sucked. That look at their record this n that.....I said I would not be surprised if they got elminated in the first round....people laughed. It feels great being right, and if the Grizzlies were to somehow find a way to win this series, it would be the least surprising turn of events EVER.

76erEaglePhils
04-26-2011, 01:45 AM
I hope Memphis finish off the Spurs it's time for some new blood the Spurs old retired ***** had their time and it's come to an end. Memphis will take them out in 5.

The Jokemaker
04-26-2011, 02:09 AM
I hope Memphis finish off the Spurs it's time for some new blood the Spurs old retired ***** had their time and it's come to an end. Memphis will take them out in 5.

I hope so!

ElMarroAfamado
04-26-2011, 03:19 AM
and The Spur cliches continue. Oh my...they are going to win 3 in a row? Really? Haha :facepalm: People never letup. They are DONE. And have been for a while. THey dont have what it takes to contend anymore just face it. After they get eliminated then what? I can see it now...from a couple people... "Well The Spurs have the heart of a champion and the best coach in the history of sports, so they will be back stronger than ever, and I wouldnt be surprised if they won it all next year."

hahahahhahahahahahahaah

J.Twiggy
04-26-2011, 09:30 AM
The Spurs are in serious trouble the Grizz has the 2nd biggest frontline in the league the only other one that is bigger is the Lakers it would not surprise me if the Spurs fought back but what would they have left?

Heater4life
04-26-2011, 10:19 AM
The Grizz are up and i love rooting for the underdog but dont count out the Spurs. You have to win 4 games, trust me the Spurs are going to put up a fight before theygo out. Im cautiously optimistic the Grizz win this.

Mile High Champ
04-26-2011, 10:21 AM
Spurs will win game 5 and will force a game 6 back in Memphis.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-26-2011, 11:17 AM
I wasn't predicting a winner but I voted the Spurs to win. My prediction was for a close game that could go either way.

Aren't you funny ;)

LOL ohhh! my baaad! lol :hi5:

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-26-2011, 11:18 AM
Grizz are serious! Z-Bo's a straight beast!

The Jokemaker
04-26-2011, 11:33 AM
LOL ohhh! my baaad! lol :hi5:

Well I wasn't right on that either. It was close at the half though!

J4KOP99
04-26-2011, 12:03 PM
I still see spurs winning in 7. Dallas had a 3-1 lead on them as well in '06, but spurs came back to force game 7 only to lose in OT. But I def see Spurs taking care of business at home, have a big road win, followed by a game 7 W against a team who prolly only has 2 players that have played a Game 7.

Math was never my specialty, so help me out with this one... how long ago was 2006?

leftymo
04-26-2011, 12:14 PM
In the last 20 years maybe even 30... teams that blow 3-1 series leads are usually inferior seeds....

see Lakers in 06.

While the Grizz have the momentum, I wouldn't count out the Spurs just yet for this reason alone.

Punk
04-26-2011, 01:17 PM
From the sounds of it, the Spurs don't even believe they will win a Game 5. It's amazing how everyone on the radios over here and sports fans think Memphis is actually a WCF contender. If they had Gay, I think they really would make it really far.

The Jokemaker
04-26-2011, 01:54 PM
From the sounds of it, the Spurs don't even believe they will win a Game 5. It's amazing how everyone on the radios over here and sports fans think Memphis is actually a WCF contender. If they had Gay, I think they really would make it really far.

I think their success really shows the great depth the team has and the brilliance of acquire Battier. Battier has stepped up and been big for this team because he's one of those "do all the small things" kinda guys. Him, Young, and Allen have really stepped up and shined in Gay's absence. Would they be better with Gay? Absolutely but this team is built around an allaround team effort and does not depend soley on one guy to carry them.

ohreally
04-26-2011, 01:54 PM
Spurs about to join the mavs in playoff history soon, great news for OKC fans. Should breeze to the WCF.

Didn't the Grizz beat the Thunder 3 out of 4 in regular season? I don't see OKC breezing by the Grizz if they do have what seems now to be the apparent 2nd round matchup.

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2011, 03:46 PM
Didn't the Grizz beat the Thunder 3 out of 4 in regular season? I don't see OKC breezing by the Grizz if they do have what seems now to be the apparent 2nd round matchup.

yes 3/4 games were won by grizz including a ot win in okc

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2011, 03:49 PM
I think their success really shows the great depth the team has and the brilliance of acquire Battier. Battier has stepped up and been big for this team because he's one of those "do all the small things" kinda guys. Him, Young, and Allen have really stepped up and shined in Gay's absence. Would they be better with Gay? Absolutely but this team is built around an allaround team effort and does not depend soley on one guy to carry them.

exactly....there is no doubt when Rudy comes back, there may be a little chemistry issue to start....but thanks to USA basketball, Rudy has been a better all-around player this season. I expect him to buy into the offense, which as you said isnt dependent on 1 guy. It will be great to have the guy back that has an unblockable jumpshot at the end of the game and when the shot clock is running down. Can you imagine how good we will be when instead of Sam Young and Tony Allen always cutting through the lane you got Rudy Gay who will finish with a flush every time? :speechless: