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DreamShake
04-22-2011, 03:01 AM
Name a player that is a poor man's version of another player.

Ex: Andre Igudola is a poor man's version of LeBron.

Hellcrooner
04-22-2011, 03:11 AM
Dwight poor mans Moses malone
Dirk poor mans Bird
Pau poor mans Mchale
Kobe poor mans Jordan
Kidd Poor mans Magic
Paul Poor mans Isaiah
Lebron poor Mans dr j
Griffin Poor mans Karl malone
Hinrich poor Mans stockton
J smith poor mans shawn Kemp
hayes Homeles mans Barkley
Duncan poor mans Kareem
rudy f poor mans petrovic
rondo poor mans Payton
and so on.

bottom line 1985-1995 nba Ruled

douglas
04-22-2011, 03:16 AM
Brian Scalabrine is a poor man's Matt Bonner

iggypop123
04-22-2011, 03:20 AM
adam morrison is a poor mans keith bogans

PC
04-22-2011, 03:24 AM
Jared Jeffries is a poor man's Malik Rose

natelpete
04-22-2011, 03:40 AM
Al Jefferson is a poor man's Tim Duncan. (and I hate them both)

Cal827
04-22-2011, 03:48 AM
Araujo was a poor mans Kwame Brown (Look up 2004 NBA draft) :facepalm:

Granger is a Poor Mans Carmelo Anthony
Lemarcus Aldrige is a poor mans Amar'e Stoudemire (Can improve)
Chris Bosh is a poor man's Rupaul (just joking around, I don't have anything against him lol)
Roy Hibbert is a really poor man's Dwight Howard

so many of them lol

BleedingGreen9
04-22-2011, 04:05 AM
Brian Scalabrine is a poor man's Matt Bonner

hahaha

BleedingGreen9
04-22-2011, 04:07 AM
monta ellis is a poor mans kobe bryant

Mudvayne91
04-22-2011, 04:24 AM
JR Smith is a poor mans' Monta Ellis

nolin
04-22-2011, 05:32 AM
james jones poor mans kyle korver

westbrook poor mans drose

nolin
04-22-2011, 05:33 AM
james jones poor mans kyle korver

westbrook poor mans drose

mike miller poor mans jr smith

Shortys4711
04-22-2011, 06:22 AM
jose calderon is a poor mans Steve Nash

THE WALL
04-22-2011, 06:34 AM
Stuckey is a poor mans DWade

alencp3
04-22-2011, 07:20 AM
im poor man's chris quinn

kingbrentg
04-22-2011, 07:21 AM
David Lee --> Kevin Love
Anderson Varejao --> Joakim Noah
Al Horford --> Dwight Howard
James Harden --> Paul Pierce
Michael Beasley --> Carmelo Anthony

Bears99
04-22-2011, 07:25 AM
bargnani is a poor mans dirk

jzero
04-22-2011, 07:30 AM
james jones poor mans kyle korver

westbrook poor mans drose

westbrook = rose

jzero
04-22-2011, 07:32 AM
David Lee --> Kevin Love
Anderson Varejao --> Joakim Noah
Al Horford --> Dwight Howard
James Harden --> Paul Pierce
Michael Beasley --> Carmelo Anthony

no way do horford and howard have even the same game style

Bears99
04-22-2011, 07:33 AM
westbrook = rose

don't be a fool, westbrook<rose

kingbrentg
04-22-2011, 07:37 AM
no way do horford and howard have even the same game style

They definitely do have similar styles.

Both work in the post with the ability to stretch and shoot (Dwight is better in the post, Al is the better shooter). Both are good defenders and rebounders.


Also, I wish just once you'd respond back to me after you make a claim against me. Honestly.

jzero
04-22-2011, 07:40 AM
don't be a fool, westbrook<rose

westbrook is second option for the thunder
its equal

jzero
04-22-2011, 07:43 AM
They definitely do have similar styles.

Both work in the post with the ability to stretch and shoot (Dwight is better in the post, Al is the better shooter). Both are good defenders and rebounders.


Also, I wish just once you'd respond back to me after you make a claim against me. Honestly.

horford's game is built around the high post whereas dwight's is built around the low post
also dwight's game is to attract the double team and to kick out where as horford is more of apick and roll, pick and POP player
they're similar but its not as close as others

kingbrentg
04-22-2011, 07:57 AM
horford's game is built around the high post whereas dwight's is built around the low post
also dwight's game is to attract the double team and to kick out where as horford is more of apick and roll, pick and POP player
they're similar but its not as close as others

I don't understand the nitpicking in your first comment then if you think they're similar? :confused:

And sometimes... Horford uses the low post as well, and both do a great deal of pick and rolls, basket cuts, dunks from lobs, putbacks, etc. Both athletic centers that run the floor well.

But anyway, share your list since you have complaints.

sportscrazed
04-22-2011, 07:58 AM
I've actually been thinking about poor mans players for a while and,
Danny Granger poor man's Carmelo Anthony
Iguadola poor man's Lebron
Brook Lopez poor man's Al Horford
DJ Augustine poor mans Rondo
Pierce poor mans Durant
Joe Johnson poor mans Kobe

Minimal
04-22-2011, 08:08 AM
Stephen Curry - Chauncey Billups (Prime)
Andre Iguodala/Josh Smith - LeBron
Kobe - Jordan
Varejao - Noah
David Lee - Love
Tyreke Evans - Dwyane Wade
Brandon Jennings/Monta Ellis - Allen Iverson
Griffin - Shawn Kemp
Nowitzki - Bird

stawka
04-22-2011, 08:12 AM
Wade - Prime Kobe
Kobe - MJ
Dwight - Shaq
Iggy - Bron
Horford - Malone
Yao - Hakeem
Rose - Iverson

Hellcrooner
04-22-2011, 08:38 AM
^rose is already a better player than iverson ever was.

At least here and then he remembers is better to give a good pass than shoot a bad brick.

dnewguy
04-22-2011, 08:48 AM
Wade - Prime Kobe
Kobe - MJ
Dwight - Shaq
Iggy - Bron
Horford - Malone
Yao - Hakeem
Rose - Iverson

Prime Kobe wasn't better than wade. Lets not act like Kobe dominated the league once before. When he didnt have Phil he became a joke.

Rose is the poor Man's Wade. You can tell he's been watching a lot of Wade's video.

dnewguy
04-22-2011, 08:49 AM
^rose is already a better player than iverson ever was.

At least here and then he remembers is better to give a good pass than shoot a bad brick.

Lets not get carried away here, even in his best season so far Rose can't hold a candle to A.I's 5th best season.

stawka
04-22-2011, 08:54 AM
Wowowowowow. Rose now ISN'T better than a prime Iverson I'm sorry. He WILL be barring injuries but not yet. And I hate Kobe more than anyone in the world does, but in his prime he was better than Wade... Hell, even 2 years ago it wasn't even debatable

BlondeBomber41
04-22-2011, 09:17 AM
Dirk Nowitzki is not a poor mans Larry Bird. He has already passed Bird on the All Time Scoring list and will end up in the top 10 by the time his career is over. He wont ever have the team success that Bird had on a bunch of loaded Celtics teams, but by talent and numbers Dirk Nowitzki is not a poor mans anybody.

sportscrazed
04-22-2011, 09:34 AM
rose is a poor man's chris paul

SFGiants1015
04-22-2011, 10:01 AM
Prime Kobe wasn't better than wade. Lets not act like Kobe dominated the league once before. When he didnt have Phil he became a joke.

Rose is the poor Man's Wade. You can tell he's been watching a lot of Wade's video.

:facepalm: you sir are a troll

JWO35
04-22-2011, 10:14 AM
Rose is a poor man's Stuckey...

roshan3ai
04-22-2011, 10:18 AM
Crawford is a poor man's Kobe

vickaz07
04-22-2011, 10:33 AM
Jared Jeffries is a poor mans Charles Smith.

flclfanman
04-22-2011, 10:37 AM
Carlos Boozer is a poor man's Karl Malone

Drew Gooden is a homeless man's Karl Malone

Hellcrooner
04-22-2011, 10:50 AM
Dirk Nowitzki is not a poor mans Larry Bird. He has already passed Bird on the All Time Scoring list and will end up in the top 10 by the time his career is over. He wont ever have the team success that Bird had on a bunch of loaded Celtics teams, but by talent and numbers Dirk Nowitzki is not a poor mans anybody.

of course of course, lets all forget that dirk has already played more games than bird.

oh yeah and the poor dude has never had any help of course.....:rolleyes:

Mishmin
04-22-2011, 10:53 AM
Earl Boykins- poor man's Mugsy Bogues.

Mishmin
04-22-2011, 10:55 AM
Adam Morrison- A poor man.

Hellcrooner
04-22-2011, 11:01 AM
he hates everyone not named Pau Gasol, his love for him is sickening.

try to find a post by me in wich i say anything but PRAISe people like:

Nash
Kidd
Odom
Parker
Manu
Duncan
Splitter
mcdyess
Battier
tony Allen
Okafor
Ariza
beaubois
Butler
Ty Chandler
Ming
Scola
Durant
Westbrook
Ibabka
gallinari
Nene
felton
Millsap
A Miller
Camby
Batum
Billups
bargnani
r evans
Deron ( his game, ive critizised his persona)
the Lopez twins
Ray Allen
Rondo
Shaq ( his game not his jack *** personality)
Igoudala
speights
brand
Hinrich
Mcgee
Lebron ( his game, not his "decision"9
wade
m miller
Haslem
J Nelson
V Carter ( from his nets day on)
J Johnson ( his game not his contract)
Horford
Rose
noah
deng
greg monroe
c villanueva
t Prince
Rip hamilton
a bogut
D Granger
T Murphy


But of course im a "hater" and i " only like " gasol/ spaniards....
:rolleyes:

Hellcrooner
04-22-2011, 11:02 AM
for the time being

Oden = poor mans Bowie

beleive it or not Bowie was ProDucTIve for some time.

theheatles
04-22-2011, 11:05 AM
josh mcroberts is a poor mans lamar odom

derrick rose is a poor mans lebron, i mean rose is the only player good enough that does similar things as lebron to be a poor mans version of lebron

zB_#85
04-22-2011, 11:08 AM
james jones poor mans kyle korver

westbrook poor mans drose

mike miller poor mans jr smith

that's easy to say when Westy plays alongside Durantula. Of course he doesn't get to showcase his ability as much as D-Rose. I honestly think you put Westbrook on the Bulls for Rose and there's no difference. Rose is great, but so is Westbrook- and the real reason for Rose and the Bulls improvement is Tibbs.

The Apprentice
04-22-2011, 11:09 AM
Darren collison poor mans russel westbrook
wesley matthews poor mans D wade
danny granger poor mans P pierce
Chris bosh poor mans KG
brook lopez poor mans T duncan

SFGiants1015
04-22-2011, 11:59 AM
try to find a post by me in wich i say anything but PRAISe people like:

Nash
Kidd
Odom
Parker
Manu
Duncan
Splitter
mcdyess
Battier
tony Allen
Okafor
Ariza
beaubois
Butler
Ty Chandler
Ming
Scola
Durant
Westbrook
Ibabka
gallinari
Nene
felton
Millsap
A Miller
Camby
Batum
Billups
bargnani
r evans
Deron ( his game, ive critizised his persona)
the Lopez twins
Ray Allen
Rondo
Shaq ( his game not his jack *** personality)
Igoudala
speights
brand
Hinrich
Mcgee
Lebron ( his game, not his "decision"9
wade
m miller
Haslem
J Nelson
V Carter ( from his nets day on)
J Johnson ( his game not his contract)
Horford
Rose
noah
deng
greg monroe
c villanueva
t Prince
Rip hamilton
a bogut
D Granger
T Murphy


But of course im a "hater" and i " only like " gasol/ spaniards....
:rolleyes:

My apologies crooner i should have said hates kobe, loves gasol :p i enjoy reading a lot of your posts to be honest.

assisi805
04-22-2011, 12:44 PM
Dwight poor mans Moses malone
Dirk poor mans Bird
Pau poor mans Mchale
Kobe poor mans Jordan
Kidd Poor mans Magic
Paul Poor mans Isaiah
Lebron poor Mans dr j
Griffin Poor mans Karl malone
Hinrich poor Mans stockton
J smith poor mans shawn Kemp
hayes Homeles mans Barkley
Duncan poor mans Kareem
rudy f poor mans petrovic
rondo poor mans Payton
and so on.

bottom line 1985-1995 nba Ruled

this

ElMarroAfamado
04-22-2011, 01:41 PM
Lebron James is a rich mans Corey Maggette

FLMeth06
04-22-2011, 02:27 PM
Lebron James is a rich mans Corey Maggette

You Fail.

droalex
04-22-2011, 02:31 PM
Chris Bosh poor mans KG? 0_o

gotoHcarolina52
04-22-2011, 02:36 PM
Detroit Pistons are a poor man's Charlotte Bobcats

jockrider
04-22-2011, 02:38 PM
oj mayo poor mans kobe
stuckey poor mans wade
iggy poor mans lebron
deandre jordan poor mans dwight

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 02:47 PM
Billups is a poor man's Chauncey Billups.

KingPosey
04-22-2011, 02:47 PM
Stephen Curry - Chauncey Billups (Prime)
Andre Iguodala/Josh Smith - LeBron
Kobe - Jordan
Varejao - Noah
David Lee - Love
Tyreke Evans - Dwyane Wade
Brandon Jennings/Monta Ellis - Allen Iverson
Griffin - Shawn Kemp
Nowitzki - Bird

Thats actually pretty accurate lol

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 02:49 PM
Crawford is a poor man's Kobe

YES YES YES.

i've always said this and i firmly believe it.

:hi5:

marlinsfan24
04-22-2011, 02:49 PM
The other 29 teams in the NBA are a poor man's version of the Miami Heat ;)

KingPosey
04-22-2011, 02:49 PM
josh mcroberts is a poor mans lamar odom

derrick rose is a poor mans lebron, i mean rose is the only player good enough that does similar things as lebron to be a poor mans version of lebron

huh?

MSU4life
04-22-2011, 02:50 PM
Prime Kobe wasn't better than wade. Lets not act like Kobe dominated the league once before. When he didnt have Phil he became a joke.

Rose is the poor Man's Wade. You can tell he's been watching a lot of Wade's video.

Kobe 5 rings>wades 1
kobe is and was the second coming of MJ

Klivlend
04-22-2011, 02:58 PM
Kobe 5 rings>wades 1
kobe is and was the second coming of MJ

damnit...why do people say ish like this?

JWO35
04-22-2011, 03:00 PM
Michael Jordan is a poor man's Steve Blake

JordansBulls
04-22-2011, 03:03 PM
Wade - Prime Kobe
Kobe - MJ
Dwight - Shaq
Iggy - Bron
Horford - Malone
Yao - Hakeem
Rose - Iverson

I don't think Rose is a poor mans version of Iverson. Hell he right now is as good as Iverson was in 2001.

Gators123
04-22-2011, 03:07 PM
Chris Quinn is a poor mans Adam Morrison.

SugeKnight
04-22-2011, 03:07 PM
I don't think Rose is a poor mans version of Iverson. Hell he right now is as good as Iverson was in 2001.

:rolleyes:

MSU4life
04-22-2011, 03:07 PM
Michael Jordan is a poor man's Steve Blake

this

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 03:16 PM
I don't think Rose is a poor mans version of Iverson. Hell he right now is as good as Iverson was in 2001.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=iversal01&y1=2002&p2=rosede01&y2=2011

he's actually much more efficient than Iverson was in 2001. just looking at the stats i don't think its much of a debate. he shoots better, assists better, rebounds better, etc. Rose is better than Iverson was in 2001.

What?
04-22-2011, 03:21 PM
:rolleyes:

What are you rolling your eyes about Rose this season statistically has been as good as if not better then Iverson in his MVP season.

I don't like the comparison at all though Rose is already a better shooter then Iverson ever was.

Sadds The Gr8
04-22-2011, 03:22 PM
Bogans ----> Battier
Beasley ---> Melo
Calderon ---> Nash
B. Gordon ---> Ray Allen
Joe Johnson ---> Kobe (Veteran Kobe not athletic/young Kobe)
Bargnani ---> Dirk
Jennings ---> Iverson





Darren collison poor mans russel westbrook
wesley matthews poor mans D wade
danny granger poor mans P pierce
Chris bosh poor mans KG
brook lopez poor mans T duncan

u definitely haven't seen Matthews play because his game is NOTHING like Wade.

championships
04-22-2011, 03:26 PM
Prime Kobe wasn't better than wade. Lets not act like Kobe dominated the league once before. When he didnt have Phil he became a joke.

Rose is the poor Man's Wade. You can tell he's been watching a lot of Wade's video.

LOL don't act like Wade has "dominated" the league. He is the new "Can't win one without Shaq".

coolio136
04-22-2011, 03:27 PM
Andre Iguodala is a parapalegic Lebron James.

championships
04-22-2011, 03:27 PM
I am a poor mans Ron Jeremy

coolio136
04-22-2011, 03:29 PM
Kobe 5 rings>wades 1
kobe is and was the second coming of MJ

God dammit, for once will somebody note the amount of years each player has been in the league so far?

Mudvayne91
04-22-2011, 03:32 PM
im poor man's chris quinn

Go Irish! I truly thought he'd be a better player than he is coming out of college though.

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 03:32 PM
LOL don't act like Wade has "dominated" the league. He is the new "Can't win one without Shaq".

pfft. Shaq was on his way out and Wade was a sophomore. big difference between Kobe and Shaq/Wade and Shaq.

if we add roster support into the mix the debate goes downhill... for Kobe.

gotoHcarolina52
04-22-2011, 03:37 PM
I don't think Rose is a poor mans version of Iverson. Hell he right now is as good as Iverson was in 2001.

Their stats have been similar, sure, but Iverson was far and away the better player. Rose is struggling against an eight-seeded team with a losing record to put up numbers similar to those Iverson tabulated during the entirety of the 2001 playoffs.

2011 Derrick Rose per game playoff statistics against the 37-45, eighth-seeded Indiana Pacers:
.379 shooting %
.200 3pt shooting %
32.7 points per game
4.7 assists per game

2001 Allen Iverson complete per game playoff statistics:
.381 shooting %
.333 3pt shooting %
32.9 points per game
6.1 assists per game


Rose is a poor man's Allen Iverson? Say it ain't so! Unfortunately, it is.

What?
04-22-2011, 03:46 PM
Their stats have been similar, sure, but Iverson was far and away the better player. Rose is struggling against an eight-seeded team with a losing record to put up numbers similar to those Iverson tabulated during the entirety of the 2001 playoffs.

2011 Derrick Rose per game playoff statistics against the 37-45, eighth-seeded Indiana Pacers:
.379 shooting %
.200 3pt shooting %
32.7 points per game
4.7 assists per game

2001 Allen Iverson complete per game playoff statistics:
.381 shooting %
.333 3pt shooting %
32.9 points per game
6.1 assists per game


Rose is a poor man's Allen Iverson? Say it ain't so! Unfortunately, it is.

What a fail Rose's playoffs so far crush Iversons in 01.


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Allen Iverson 2000-01 25 22 1016 22.5 .480 .425 1.6 10.2 5.8 29.1 2.8 0.5 7.7 36.8 105 106 1.9 0.9 2.7 0.130
2 Derrick Rose 2010-11 22 3 121 27.5 .560 .409 3.9 11.5 7.9 25.1 3.1 1.8 13.8 36.5 118 101 0.5 0.2 0.8 0.299

Rose ws/48 is nearly 3times that of Iverson, his ts% is way higher, his rb% is higher, his stl% is higher his blk% is higher, his ortg is way higher, his drtg is better, and his PER is way better.

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 03:48 PM
Their stats have been similar, sure, but Iverson was far and away the better player. Rose is struggling against an eight-seeded team with a losing record to put up numbers similar to those Iverson tabulated during the entirety of the 2001 playoffs.

2011 Derrick Rose per game playoff statistics against the 37-45, eighth-seeded Indiana Pacers:
.379 shooting %
.200 3pt shooting %
32.7 points per game
4.7 assists per game

2001 Allen Iverson complete per game playoff statistics:
.381 shooting %
.333 3pt shooting %
32.9 points per game
6.1 assists per game


Rose is a poor man's Allen Iverson? Say it ain't so! Unfortunately, it is.
those stats literally prove nothing.

even if Iverson's 2001 playoff per-game stats vs Rose's was a relevant comparison (it isn't), Rose's sample size is too small and there is not a wide differential in the numbers to begin with.

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 03:49 PM
What a fail Rose's playoffs so far crush Iversons in 01.


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Allen Iverson 2000-01 25 22 1016 22.5 .480 .425 1.6 10.2 5.8 29.1 2.8 0.5 7.7 36.8 105 106 1.9 0.9 2.7 0.130
2 Derrick Rose 2010-11 22 3 121 27.5 .560 .409 3.9 11.5 7.9 25.1 3.1 1.8 13.8 36.5 118 101 0.5 0.2 0.8 0.299

Rose ws/48 is nearly 3times that of Iverson, his ts% is way higher, his rb% is higher, his stl% is higher his blk% is higher, his ortg is way higher, his drtg is better, and his PER is way better.

i didn't look at the playoff stats but in the reg season Rose wins by a landslide.

gotoHcarolina52
04-22-2011, 03:52 PM
What a fail Rose's playoffs so far crush Iversons in 01.


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Allen Iverson 2000-01 25 22 1016 22.5 .480 .425 1.6 10.2 5.8 29.1 2.8 0.5 7.7 36.8 105 106 1.9 0.9 2.7 0.130
2 Derrick Rose 2010-11 22 3 121 27.5 .560 .409 3.9 11.5 7.9 25.1 3.1 1.8 13.8 36.5 118 101 0.5 0.2 0.8 0.299

Rose ws/48 is nearly 3times that of Iverson, his ts% is way higher, his rb% is higher, his stl% is higher his blk% is higher, his ortg is way higher, his drtg is better, and his PER is way better.

You never cease to fail.

Fewer ppg, fewer assists per game, inferior shooting %, inferior 3pt shooting percentage.

Iverson >>>>> Rose

towlsmoke420
04-22-2011, 03:56 PM
perkins is the poormans shaq

What?
04-22-2011, 03:59 PM
You never cease to fail.

Fewer ppg, fewer assists per game, inferior shooting %, inferior 3pt shooting percentage.

Iverson >>>>> Rose

Way to use archaic stats to back up your argument :rolleyes:, Rose statistically has been way better then Iverson. Rose has a higher ts%, per, ws/48 nearly 3x that of Iversons, ortg, drtg practically every single advance statistic points towards Rose in both the regular season and the playoffs.

Edit: I didn't even realize how inefficient Iverson was in those playoffs. He took 8 more fga a game then Rose to score .2 more ppg and yet your suggesting that statistically Iverson was better :facepalm:

coolio136
04-22-2011, 04:05 PM
Way to use archaic stats to back up your argument :rolleyes:, Rose statistically has been way better then Iverson. Rose has a higher ts%, per, ws/48 nearly 3x that of Iversons, ortg, drtg practically every single advance statistic points towards Rose in both the regular season and the playoffs.

There is and never will be a way to compare players of two different eras or for that matter even to compare players of the same era. Different supporting casts, different opponents, and many other variables all have to be equated for. There is a reason that no one really looks into what Chamberlain did carefully, he averaged 50 points for G-ds sake. Another reason why the Jordan V. Kobe debate is stupid, there will never be an answer.

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 04:06 PM
You never cease to fail.

Fewer ppg, fewer assists per game, inferior shooting %, inferior 3pt shooting percentage.

Iverson >>>>> Rose

nawww dude. you easily are the one that fails here. your sample size for Rose is all of 3 games. that holds no water at all.

scroll up a handful of posts to where i posted the full 82 game comparison. if you look at it and don't see where Rose takes the cake, please stop posting in this thread.:p

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 04:07 PM
Rose vs 2001 Iverson ISN'T EVEN CLOSE.

and when you look at the numbers next to each other it makes Iverson look like a bum.

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 04:07 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=iversal01&y1=2002&p2=rosede01&y2=2011

ROSE ALL DAY.

Mudvayne91
04-22-2011, 04:08 PM
I'd take Rose all day over AI. There aren't very many legit superstar PGs in the NBA, there are however quite a few selfish SGs in the NBA.

tmacsc2
04-22-2011, 04:09 PM
Dwight poor mans Moses malone
Dirk poor mans Bird
Pau poor mans Mchale
Kobe poor mans Jordan
Kidd Poor mans Magic
Paul Poor mans Isaiah
Lebron poor Mans dr j
Griffin Poor mans Karl malone
Hinrich poor Mans stockton
J smith poor mans shawn Kemp
hayes Homeles mans Barkley
Duncan poor mans Kareem
rudy f poor mans petrovic
rondo poor mans Payton
and so on.

bottom line 1985-1995 nba Ruled

I agree with just about all of those

JordansBulls
04-22-2011, 04:15 PM
Their stats have been similar, sure, but Iverson was far and away the better player. Rose is struggling against an eight-seeded team with a losing record to put up numbers similar to those Iverson tabulated during the entirety of the 2001 playoffs.

2011 Derrick Rose per game playoff statistics against the 37-45, eighth-seeded Indiana Pacers:
.379 shooting %
.200 3pt shooting %
32.7 points per game
4.7 assists per game

2001 Allen Iverson complete per game playoff statistics:
.381 shooting %
.333 3pt shooting %
32.9 points per game
6.1 assists per game


Rose is a poor man's Allen Iverson? Say it ain't so! Unfortunately, it is.

Iverson didn't even lead the Sixers in Win Shares in the playoffs that year.




http://ronnymacswire.blogspot.com/2011/04/my-pick-for-2011-nba-mvp.html

Think about it like this: Rose essentially plays two positions for the Bulls. He's the volume scoring threat and the floor-general point guard. The run he's on has been compared to 2001 Allen Iverson's MVP run, but I reject that comparison. Iverson wasn't the ball hog that season that people like to characterize him as- otherwise, how did Eric Snow and Aaron McKie manage 7.4 and 5.0 assists per game, respectively? Philly could at least run some offense and get the ball up the floor. Rose doesn't have anybody who averages over 2.8 assists per game on his team. Rose plays two positions for the Bulls on offense- he's Allen Iverson, and he's Eric Snow.

What?
04-22-2011, 04:15 PM
On topic though I think

Stuckey-Evans
Evans-Wade
Gay-Melo
BG-Allen
Pierce- Durant

GeekInThePink
04-22-2011, 04:20 PM
Kapono-Korver
Bargnani-Nowitzki

Too lazy to think of anymore, really interesting read though.

MSU4life
04-22-2011, 04:28 PM
76ers poor mans in prime pistons

gotoHcarolina52
04-22-2011, 04:31 PM
nawww dude. you easily are the one that fails here. your sample size for Rose is all of 3 games. that holds no water at all.

scroll up a handful of posts to where i posted the full 82 game comparison. if you look at it and don't see where Rose takes the cake, please stop posting in this thread.:p

Whatever you posted about the regular season merits no consideration by way of irrelevance. My comparison is strictly about 2011 Rose vs 2001 Iverson in the playoffs.

And what a way to fail attacking the sample size. The stats I posted are per game stats. If anything, Rose's small sample size inures to his benefit.

So, nawww. U wrong, bud.

SB75
04-22-2011, 04:31 PM
no way do horford and howard have even the same game style

I'm a Hawks fan and I was even like what?

Kirk Hinrich....Poor man's
Joe Johnson.. Poor man's Penny Hardaway
Marvin Williams.
Josh Smith....Poor man's Shawn Kemp
Al Horford..... Poor man's Horace Grant

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-22-2011, 04:40 PM
Araujo was a poor mans Kwame Brown (Look up 2004 NBA draft) :facepalm:

Granger is a Poor Mans Carmelo Anthony
Lemarcus Aldrige is a poor mans Amar'e Stoudemire (Can improve)
Chris Bosh is a poor man's Rupaul (just joking around, I don't have anything against him lol)
Roy Hibbert is a really poor man's Dwight Howard

so many of them lol

LA>Amare

ayuntalo
04-22-2011, 04:45 PM
Prime Kobe wasn't better than wade. Lets not act like Kobe dominated the league once before. When he didnt have Phil he became a joke.

Rose is the poor Man's Wade. You can tell he's been watching a lot of Wade's video.

ill get you a plane ticket to reality.
really, dont fool yourself. kobe is one of the best the league has ever seen.
Tell me, how many season have d.wade dominated? just last year.
he was always one of the great wing players, but kobe has always belong to that and have been the best wing player for many years.
also, kobe has straight 50+ games for a while

MrfadeawayJB
04-22-2011, 04:49 PM
David Lee --> Kevin Love
Anderson Varejao --> Joakim Noah
Al Horford --> Dwight Howard
James Harden --> Paul Pierce
Michael Beasley --> Carmelo Anthony

this is right on

hgtiger32
04-22-2011, 04:52 PM
B. Jennings is a very poor man's allen iverson

dnewguy
04-22-2011, 04:53 PM
ill get you a plane ticket to reality.
really, dont fool yourself. kobe is one of the best the league has ever seen.
Tell me, how many season have d.wade dominated? just last year.
he was always one of the great wing players, but kobe has always belong to that and have been the best wing player for many years.
also, kobe has straight 50+ games for a while

One of the best that is ineffective without Phil?

apope26
04-22-2011, 04:53 PM
Joe Johnson=Granger
Lamar odom=Kukoc
james harden=paul pierce (old men's game but beasts!)
tony parker=kevin johnson (K.J.)

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-22-2011, 04:57 PM
Whatever you posted about the regular season merits no consideration by way of irrelevance. My comparison is strictly about 2011 Rose vs 2001 Iverson in the playoffs.

And what a way to fail attacking the sample size. The stats I posted are per game stats. If anything, Rose's small sample size inures to his benefit.

So, nawww. U wrong, bud.

lol

you are wrong, Rose is much better player than AI ever was.

coolio136
04-22-2011, 05:03 PM
John Salmons is a poor mans Joe Johnson.
Derrick Rose is a poor mans Russell Westbrook :).
Andre Iguodala is a poor mans Vince Carter.
Dorrell Wright is a poor mans Trevor Ariza.
Andray Blatche is a poor mans David West.
Carlos Boozer is a poor mans My Poop.

gsgs49
04-22-2011, 05:04 PM
Dwight poor mans Moses malone
Dirk poor mans Bird
Pau poor mans Mchale
Kobe poor mans Jordan
Kidd Poor mans Magic
Paul Poor mans Isaiah
Lebron poor Mans dr j
Griffin Poor mans Karl malone
Hinrich poor Mans stockton
J smith poor mans shawn Kemp
hayes Homeles mans Barkley
Duncan poor mans Kareem
rudy f poor mans petrovic
rondo poor mans Payton
and so on.

bottom line 1985-1995 nba Ruled

A prime Chris Paul is better than a prime Isiah and I wouldn't say Lebron is a poor man's Dr J,a prime LBJ and a prime Dr J are close and Lebron is slightly better imo.

ayuntalo
04-22-2011, 05:06 PM
Brook Lopez is a poor mans Pau Gasol
John Wall is a poor mans Derrick Rose
Andrea Bargnani is the little sister of Dirk Nowitzki
Matt Caroll poor mans Kyle Korver
Jerryd Bayless a homeless Westbrook
Dejuan Blair a poor mans Paul Millsap
Jared Jeffries is Andrei Kirilenko w/o gun power

mikealike305
04-22-2011, 05:06 PM
knicks are poor mans heat

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 05:08 PM
Whatever you posted about the regular season merits no consideration by way of irrelevance. My comparison is strictly about 2011 Rose vs 2001 Iverson in the playoffs.

And what a way to fail attacking the sample size. The stats I posted are per game stats. If anything, Rose's small sample size inures to his benefit.

So, nawww. U wrong, bud.



if we're looking at advanced playoff stats (ya know, the ones that matter) Rose still wins despite going 0-9 from 3 in game 2.
his playoff WSs are more than double that of Iverson's in 2001. but again, a 3 game sample size means NOTHING.

no offense but i'm gonna decline to continue this debate with you. i don't even like Derrick Rose and i hate the Bulls. but you are sooo far off its not even funny. when logic and reason fail to work i have to take my leave.

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 05:08 PM
Dwade=poor mans kobe Bryant
Kobe=poor mans Michael Jordan( 2 greatest sg ever)

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 05:09 PM
knicks are poor mans heat

quality post. i can see your good intentions with this one.

jzero
04-22-2011, 05:10 PM
Brook Lopez is a poor mans Pau Gasol
John Wall is a poor mans Derrick Rose
Andrea Bargnani is the little sister of Dirk Nowitzki
Matt Caroll poor mans Kyle Korver
Jerryd Bayless a homeless Westbrook
Dejuan Blair a poor mans Paul Millsap
Jared Jeffries is Andrei Kirilenko w/o gun power

bayless doesn't play d

mikealike305
04-22-2011, 05:11 PM
quality post. i can see your good intentions with this one.

im just playing around man dont take it personal

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 05:11 PM
Prime Kobe wasn't better than wade. Lets not act like Kobe dominated the league once before. When he didnt have Phil he became a joke.

Rose is the poor Man's Wade. You can tell he's been watching a lot of Wade's video.

Your right prime Kobe wasn't better then wade he was just 10X better

jzero
04-22-2011, 05:12 PM
Dwade=poor mans kobe Bryant
Kobe=poor mans Michael Jordan( 2 greatest sg ever)

ehh i would say the gap is closing between wade and bryant
the day bryant scores 30 on him (at 30%+ efficiency) again let me know

jzero
04-22-2011, 05:13 PM
Your right prime Kobe wasn't better then wade he was just 10X better

uhh no :o
he was better but not by that much
you don't even know what the prime wade looks like before he regresses
shut your mouth fool

coolio136
04-22-2011, 05:13 PM
Your right prime Kobe wasn't better then wade he was just 10X better

Haha this comment sounds like something an 8 year old would say.

mikealike305
04-22-2011, 05:14 PM
heat fans: wasting our time making an argument for wade over kobe at this point in their carrers. they just won accept it

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 05:14 PM
im just playing around man dont take it personal

i don't take it personally. but the 16 year old Knick fans that run wild on these forums certainly will. THINK.

ayuntalo
04-22-2011, 05:14 PM
One of the best that is ineffective without Phil?

without phil jackson 04-05
Kobe Bryant has
66 games played
27.6 ppg
5.9 reb
6 apg
1.3 spg
0.8 bpg
thats in effective?
so maybe Wade is averaging 35ppg 9 rbg and 9apg lol.
ok no time to waste here, thanks for your opinon :clap:

Phenomenonsense
04-22-2011, 05:17 PM
im just playing around man dont take it personal

Don't apologize, it's funny and true in some respects. Scorers, lack a C, little depth. Heat play better D though.

Raidaz4Life
04-22-2011, 05:19 PM
Some of Hellcrooner's comparisons were a bit out there.

Lebron is clearly better than the Doc and this is coming from a Lebron hater.
I really don't see the Hinrich and Stockton comparison at all outside of the fact that they are both white and good defenders.

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 05:21 PM
One of the best that is ineffective without Phil?

Really from 1996-99 he barely averaged 30 minutes a game(17 his rookie year) then came Phil and Kobe was already the youngest all-star ever then phil left and the lakers didn't make the playoffs(Kobe missed like 20 games) and he still averaged like 26-27 pts a game dude stop lying to yourself Kobe was and is the 2nd greatest sg ever only to MJ

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 05:23 PM
Joe Johnson=Granger
Lamar odom=Kukoc
james harden=paul pierce (old men's game but beasts!)
tony parker=kevin johnson (K.J.)

I would say Lamar is more of a poor mans scottie pippen

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 05:29 PM
ehh i would say the gap is closing between wade and bryant
the day bryant scores 30 on him (at 30%+ efficiency) again let me know


Your really comparing kobe now to kobes prime ...
Dwade will never surpass Kobe he has 1 more MVP 1 more finals MVP soon to he 2 4 more championships and 2x scoring titles his defense was 2x better then wades in his prime Enough said

And ok I might have gone a little over board with the Kobe was 10x better crap but you see how it feels to make a stupid comment like the one dnewguy said about how wade>kobe Which is absolutely false and only a bandwagon heat fan would deny it

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 05:44 PM
Your really comparing kobe now to kobes prime ...
Dwade will never surpass Kobe he has 1 more MVP 1 more finals MVP soon to he 2 4 more championships and 2x scoring titles his defense was 2x better then wades in his prime Enough said

And ok I might have gone a little over board with the Kobe was 10x better crap but you see how it feels to make a stupid comment like the one dnewguy said about how wade>kobe Which is absolutely false and only a bandwagon heat fan would deny it

Wade is better than Kobe right now.

- Higher shooting percentages across the board (by a wide margin)

- PER is significantly better

- averages the same amount of points with a lower USG% and 2 fewer shot attempts.

- if you acknowledge WSs as a relevant stat Wade wins by a landslide.

Wade wins in every category except distribution and turnovers. Bryant's lead in those two categories are so extremely marginal that the exact numbers are not even noteworthy in this post.

Kobe obviously has the rings and legacy which are both trivial items if we're talking about a players actual worth on the court.

SirDJ
04-22-2011, 06:08 PM
Dwight poor mans Moses malone
Dirk poor mans Bird
Pau poor mans Mchale
Kobe poor mans Jordan
Kidd Poor mans Magic
Paul Poor mans Isaiah
Lebron poor Mans dr j
Griffin Poor mans Karl malone
Hinrich poor Mans stockton
J smith poor mans shawn Kemp
hayes Homeles mans Barkley
Duncan poor mans Kareem
rudy f poor mans petrovic
rondo poor mans Payton
and so on.

bottom line 1985-1995 nba Ruled

id say lebron and dr J are comparable. I dont think you can make the case that duncan is a poor mans anybody.

hinrich is a naked and homeless stockton.

CityofChaos
04-22-2011, 06:18 PM
Dwayne Wade is a poor man's Derrik Rose :)

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 06:24 PM
Wade is better than Kobe right now.

- Higher shooting percentages across the board (by a wide margin)

- PER is significantly better

- averages the same amount of points with a lower USG% and 2 fewer shot attempts.

- if you acknowledge WSs as a relevant stat Wade wins by a landslide.

Wade wins in every category except distribution and turnovers. Bryant's lead in those two categories are so extremely marginal that the exact numbers are not even noteworthy in this post.



He only shoots a better fg% because he attacks the basket alot more and gets alot of ticky tac fouls unlike Kobe who gets murdered and gets no calls

And I obviously don't think wade is better then Kobe even now some disagree buy mostly all still agree... There is nothing wade does better then Kobe that convinces me that he's better at this point in their careers

dnewguy
04-22-2011, 06:25 PM
Dwayne Wade is a poor man's Derrik Rose :)

Turns out the poor man hit the lottery and the rich man was swindled by Bernard Madoff.

homestarunner93
04-22-2011, 06:29 PM
Michael Jordan is a poor man's Mike James.

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 06:32 PM
He only shoots a better fg% because he attacks the basket alot more and gets alot of ticky tac fouls unlike Kobe who gets murdered and gets no calls

And I obviously don't think wade is better then Kobe even now some disagree buy mostly all still agree... There is nothing wade does better then Kobe that convinces me that he's better at this point in their careers

he attacks the basket more because he's quicker and younger. those things matter.

even though Kobe constantly insults the refs i wasn't aware he didn't get allstar calls.

don't worry about it. you're a Laker fan and i'm just some guy on the internet. who cares if i think Wade is better?? fuggetaboutit.

Chronz
04-22-2011, 06:37 PM
Rose vs 2001 Iverson ISN'T EVEN CLOSE.

and when you look at the numbers next to each other it makes Iverson look like a bum.
Incorrect

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9101

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 06:44 PM
he attacks the basket more because he's quicker and younger. those things matter.

even though Kobe constantly insults the refs i wasn't aware he didn't get allstar calls.

don't worry about it. you're a Laker fan and i'm just some guy on the internet. who cares if i think Wade is better?? fuggetaboutit.

I'm not saying he doesn't get all star calls but compared to wade bron Durant and rose then obviously he doesn't just look at wedensday how many times did he attack the basket and how many were called fouls? 1 maybe?
Lots of people also hand check Kobe and even though you cant tell live you can certaintly tell in slow motion on replays but when bron wade or rose get handcheked it's automatically a foul

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 06:54 PM
Incorrect

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9101

ok, a few things, because this article confused me.

to start off the author adjusts the ORtg from the two years. is the difference in ORtg from 2001 to 2011 a product of the ever-continuing implementation of the 3 ball, overall defense in the NBA is much worse now, both, or something entirely different that has gone completely over my head?

secondly, is the adjusted ORtg the basis for this whole article? all of this seems to be based on adjusting 1 player's stats to be relevant in a totally different era. don't you think thats a little bit of a slippery slope?? for instance, (just for conversations sake) i'd be interested to see how Michael Jordan's adjusted stats compare to todays NBA greats (Kobe, Lebron, etc.)

or (an example to hopefully prove my point) how a 2004 Marbury would compare to todays Chris Paul.... would these "adjustments" put Marbury in the conversation?


at face value Rose is certainly more productive than 2001 Iverson, which leads me to believe its impossible to compare players from different eras (or even from year-to-year) without these advanced conversions...

basically, you just shook my whole world.

i'm not on your level Chronz...

Klivlend
04-22-2011, 06:56 PM
He only shoots a better fg% because he attacks the basket alot more and gets alot of ticky tac fouls unlike Kobe who gets murdered and gets no calls

And I obviously don't think wade is better then Kobe even now some disagree buy mostly all still agree... There is nothing wade does better then Kobe that convinces me that he's better at this point in their careers

omfg...stfu

Kevj77
04-22-2011, 07:00 PM
he attacks the basket more because he's quicker and younger. those things matter.

even though Kobe constantly insults the refs i wasn't aware he didn't get allstar calls.

don't worry about it. you're a Laker fan and i'm just some guy on the internet. who cares if i think Wade is better?? fuggetaboutit.Actually Kobe doesn't get as many calls, but a lot of that goes back to your first point he doesn't attack the basket like he did when he was younger. The constant insults of the refs don't help either.

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 07:18 PM
omfg...stfu

See the games buddy you'll see watch I want youth see one laker game just one and then I want you to see a bulls,Miami,and thunder games and then you can tell me the differences!

And don't tell me to stfu if you don't like it don't say anything or back your statement up! And if anybody should shut up it's you

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 07:20 PM
Actually Kobe doesn't get as many calls, but a lot of that goes back to your first point he doesn't attack the basket like he did when he was younger. The constant insults of the refs don't help either.

Yeah I think he doesnt get the calls because he is always arguing with the refs but again he wouldn't have to if he thought they were officiating right
I think its a little of both

Klivlend
04-22-2011, 07:21 PM
See the games buddy you'll see watch I want youth see one laker game just one and then I want you to see a bulls,Miami,and thunder games and then you can tell me the differences!

And don't tell me to stfu if you don't like it don't say anything or back your statement up! And if anybody should shut up it's you

omfg...stfu

detzfish
04-22-2011, 07:28 PM
idk if its been said because i didnt read every post, but everyone is debating rose 2011 vs iverson 2001 (mvp season) and stats were posted via basketballreference.com or something and whoever posted that put iverson's 2001-2002 stats but the stats for his mvp season are way better for the 2000-2001 season which would be the stats for the season of which he won mvp

RaidersLakers24
04-22-2011, 07:57 PM
omfg...stfu

Lol :facepalm:

Kashmir13579
04-22-2011, 08:10 PM
your world is fragile

stop the hemorrhaging before it's too late

your reputation on PSD speaks for itself.

AIRMAR72
04-22-2011, 08:20 PM
[QUOTE=Hellcrooner;17603571]Dwight poor mans Moses malone
Dirk poor mans Bird
Pau poor mans Mchale
Kobe poor mans Jordan
Kidd Poor mans Magic
Paul Poor mans Isaiah
Lebron poor Mans dr j
Griffin Poor mans Karl malone
Hinrich poor Mans stockton
J smith poor mans shawn Kemp
hayes Homeles mans Barkley
Duncan poor mans Kareem
rudy f poor mans petrovic
rondo poor mans Payton
and so on.
good comparson list zack randolf is a poorman mose malone blake i say shawn kemp but kemp was better so blake is blake dwight howard is a poorman antonio davis lebron a hybrid and a better version of jerome kersey former blazer chris paul is chris paul he is better than zeke jason kid is jason kid couldnt shot like rondo but rondo style is similar to da glove dirk is better shooter than bird but bird is much better player under pressure and A big playmaker when COUNTS than dirk

Lim
04-23-2011, 06:09 AM
lou williams is a poor mans jamal crawford.

btw stop with the AI vs Rose comparisons. Does rose have the potential to be much greater then AI? yes. has he passed AI yet? NO. NBA careers are a marathon not a sprint, rose has had 1 great season, ai has had 500.

magichatnumber9
04-23-2011, 06:18 AM
Big Baby is a poor man's Chris Farley

meloman1592
04-23-2011, 07:48 AM
The only one that is legitimately correct in regards to style of play is rodney stuckey is a poor mans wade. Their games are identical

KingPosey
04-23-2011, 03:28 PM
Jennings is a PPOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRR man's AI, and I think AI was awful PERSONALLY.

KingPosey
04-23-2011, 03:36 PM
[QUOTE=Hellcrooner;17603571]Dwight poor mans Moses malone
Dirk poor mans Bird
Pau poor mans Mchale
Kobe poor mans Jordan
Kidd Poor mans Magic
Paul Poor mans Isaiah
Lebron poor Mans dr j
Griffin Poor mans Karl malone
Hinrich poor Mans stockton
J smith poor mans shawn Kemp
hayes Homeles mans Barkley
Duncan poor mans Kareem
rudy f poor mans petrovic
rondo poor mans Payton
and so on.
good comparson list zack randolf is a poorman mose malone blake i say shawn kemp but kemp was better so blake is blake dwight howard is a poorman antonio davis lebron a hybrid and a better version of jerome kersey former blazer chris paul is chris paul he is better than zeke jason kid is jason kid couldnt shot like rondo but rondo style is similar to da glove dirk is better shooter than bird but bird is much better player under pressure and A big playmaker when COUNTS than dirk

I could barely understand anything you posted, but it looks like every one you choose, you called a "poor man's bersion of a player they are better than."

KingPosey
04-23-2011, 03:38 PM
omfg...stfu

Ya i have a buddy that complains of the same thing. It is ridiculous. I told him that "maybe if Kobe drove to the basket once in a while anymore he would get more calls."
Kobe gets plenty of calls.

alexander_37
04-23-2011, 06:02 PM
Patrick Patterson is a poor mans Karl Malone. ( and I HATE him with a burning passion no one will ever understand.)

northsid3r
04-24-2011, 02:14 AM
Big Baby is a poor man's Chris Farley

HAHAHAHA :p

Raph12
04-24-2011, 02:54 AM
Dwight poor mans Moses malone - Moses wasn't nearly as dominant on defense
Dirk poor mans Bird - Dirk plays both the low/high post, while Bird played the wing more
Pau poor mans Mchale - Pau uses his length more than he does just moves and the hook
Kobe poor mans Jordan - Agreed
Kidd Poor mans Magic - Kidd was a beast defensively earlier in his career
Paul Poor mans Isaiah - Paul is better
Lebron poor Mans dr j - Lebron is better
Griffin Poor mans Karl malone - Griffin is an athletic/explosive animal and in his rookie season, hard to call him a poor man's anything atm
Hinrich poor Mans stockton - Not even close
J smith poor mans shawn Kemp - Completely different skill set
hayes Homeles mans Barkley - No chance
Duncan poor mans Kareem - Duncan plays a completely different game
rudy f poor mans petrovic - Who cares, both were/are overrated
rondo poor mans Payton - Payton was much better offensively
and so on.

bottom line 1985-1995 nba Ruled

Bottomline - Today's league is just as stacked if not more stacked, with even more athleticism, although the rules are holding it back

Hellcrooner
04-24-2011, 02:57 AM
Bottomline - Today's league is just as stacked if not more stacked, with even more athleticism, although the rules are holding it back

as stacked?

i only put out there players that got some cheap clone nowdays.

the lsit of true stars is wAAAAAAy longer.

80s teams with 25 teams in their league had CRAZY rosters.

many of todays "franchise" players would not even be top 3 options back in the day.

Hawkize31
04-24-2011, 03:07 AM
Stacey King is a poor man's Gus Johnson.

Ollie Tabooger
04-24-2011, 12:33 PM
Kyle Korver is a poor man's Ray Allen.

White_Mike
04-24-2011, 12:42 PM
Why are there so many homers in here?

Danilo Gallinari is a poor man's Dirk Nowitzki.

NBAfan4life
04-24-2011, 01:34 PM
Bottomline - Today's league is just as stacked if not more stacked, with even more athleticism, although the rules are holding it back

I totally agree with you on this Ralph. It seems a lot of posters on here get all nostalgic when they think of the old days. They act like the league is garbage when honestly outside of the stars most of the bench players and even some of the starters that were not stars probably would not even make it in the league today.

Just my opinion of course most wont agree some will. In the NBA most of the best in the world play. Way more international players. Way larger talent pool.

NYKalltheway
04-24-2011, 01:59 PM
hayes Homeles mans Barkley

:laugh:



bottom line 1985-1995 nba Ruled

agreed 1200123102321312032130%

Hellcrooner
04-24-2011, 03:36 PM
I totally agree with you on this Ralph. It seems a lot of posters on here get all nostalgic when they think of the old days. They act like the league is garbage when honestly outside of the stars most of the bench players and even some of the starters that were not stars probably would not even make it in the league today.

Just my opinion of course most wont agree some will. In the NBA most of the best in the world play. Way more international players. Way larger talent pool.

the international players have become just slightly better than in the 80s.

you know WHY they have a room now in the league?

1 because there are MORE teams ( 5 more) wich means 60 more roster spots
2 because the most of the players have not completed or at least polayed 3 ncaa years so they are lacking FUNDAMENTALS wich opens the room for greatly sound fundamental euro players to succeed.

Dirk or Pau wouldnt have cut it (at allstar level) in the 80s because the american players back then had equal or better fundamentals than them and much better athelticism.
nowdays a ton of the Pfwards they find out there have incomplete fundamentals so even if they are much more athletic they can overcome them.

RadiantShot
04-24-2011, 05:04 PM
Some of us are getting carried away.

Ryan Anderson is a poor man's Rashard Lewis.
That is all.

TO Rapz
04-24-2011, 05:31 PM
Brian Scalabrine is a poor man's Matt Bonner

:laugh2:

Baller1
04-24-2011, 05:51 PM
Serge Ibaka is a really poor man's Kevin Garnett.

daricoliver
04-24-2011, 06:04 PM
This is one of the worst threads I have ever read, not for the topic, but for the posts. Normally, by and large the posts are well thought out, but these are just ridiculous and nonsense.

Baller1
04-24-2011, 09:08 PM
This is one of the worst threads I have ever read, not for the topic, but for the posts. Normally, by and large the posts are well thought out, but these are just ridiculous and nonsense.

Not really... :laugh2:

I'd say it's the opposite. I'm ecstatic when I find a mature, well conducted thread in the NBA Forum.

NBAfan4life
04-24-2011, 11:59 PM
the international players have become just slightly better than in the 80s.

you know WHY they have a room now in the league?

1 because there are MORE teams ( 5 more) wich means 60 more roster spots
2 because the most of the players have not completed or at least polayed 3 ncaa years so they are lacking FUNDAMENTALS wich opens the room for greatly sound fundamental euro players to succeed.

Dirk or Pau wouldnt have cut it (at allstar level) in the 80s because the american players back then had equal or better fundamentals than them and much better athelticism.
nowdays a ton of the Pfwards they find out there have incomplete fundamentals so even if they are much more athletic they can overcome them.

I still think either Pau or dirk would of been successful in the 80's more Pau than dirk. In the 80's Pau could of played PF his natural position without having to rotate to center do to lack of bigs.

Duncan = Donkey
04-25-2011, 12:01 AM
Rondo is a poor man's Dragic

KingPosey
04-25-2011, 01:02 AM
the international players have become just slightly better than in the 80s.

you know WHY they have a room now in the league?

1 because there are MORE teams ( 5 more) wich means 60 more roster spots
2 because the most of the players have not completed or at least polayed 3 ncaa years so they are lacking FUNDAMENTALS wich opens the room for greatly sound fundamental euro players to succeed.

Dirk or Pau wouldnt have cut it (at allstar level) in the 80s because the american players back then had equal or better fundamentals than them and much better athelticism.
nowdays a ton of the Pfwards they find out there have incomplete fundamentals so even if they are much more athletic they can overcome them.
I cannot agree with that statement. You are saying 2 of the PFs that re most likely at the top of the list in the game today wouldnt cut it in the 80s? Dirk could light any era up in his sleep.

Its funny how a decade ago you could have asked me which 2 players I hated the most and Dirk and Kobe would have came out my mouth. I still dont like them, but I find myself defending them on PSD now. Its disgusting.

Tqafg96
04-25-2011, 01:24 AM
D Rose is a poor mans Jordan Farmar

Raph12
04-25-2011, 01:56 AM
The league today maybe watered down, but if I put up the top individual seasons from 2000-present, I'll have just as many, if not more players with better seasons than guys from 1985-1995.

NYK BaLLaS
04-25-2011, 02:20 AM
adam morrison is a poor mans keith bogans

Lmao.some ppl are so cruel

DoJoTheSlasher
04-25-2011, 02:23 AM
Michael Jordan is a poor man's JJ Barea.

LakersIn5
04-25-2011, 02:28 AM
Lets not get carried away here, even in his best season so far Rose can't hold a candle to A.I's 5th best season.

THIS! iverson is so underated now adays but when he was in his prime ALOT of people wanted him

NYK BaLLaS
04-25-2011, 02:34 AM
2010 Cavs - 2011 Magic

BSplaya2121
04-25-2011, 02:39 AM
Adam Morrison- A poor man.

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Nothing beats this comment, i absolutely love it