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heatking
04-19-2011, 11:45 AM
I remember early in the season everyone was saying Bosh was a scrub and easily the worst FA PF from the 2010 class, now that you have seen him play from Allstar break on, and specially his play so far in the postseason were do you rank him among the other PF's from the 2010 Free Agency.

heatking
04-19-2011, 11:47 AM
My list would be

1. Amare
2. Bosh







3. Boozer
3B. Lee

North Yorker
04-19-2011, 11:50 AM
I remember early in the season everyone was saying Bosh was a scrub and easily the worst FA PF from the 2010 class, now that you have seen him play from Allstar break on, and specially his play so far in the postseason were do you rank him among the other PF's from the 2010 Free Agency.

Who was saying that?

What I remember is that he was struggling finding his way in the beginning before fitting into his new role.

He is probably the most talented PF out of that class, not the most athletically gifted though. He probably actually plays the best D out of Lee,Amare,and Boozer, not saying much though.

Hawkeye15
04-19-2011, 11:52 AM
I remember early in the season everyone was saying Bosh was a scrub and easily the worst FA PF from the 2010 class, now that you have seen him play from Allstar break on, and specially his play so far in the postseason were do you rank him among the other PF's from the 2010 Free Agency.

remind me who said this again?

Fnom11
04-19-2011, 11:54 AM
When that 1-18 game happened, people were saying a lot of stuff about him. I'm fairly impressed by his play so far in the Playoffs and if he can any of the play he'll pass Amare, not KG though.

Avenged
04-19-2011, 11:57 AM
I remember early in the season everyone was saying Bosh was a scrub and easily the worst FA PF from the 2010 class, now that you have seen him play from Allstar break on, and specially his play so far in the postseason were do you rank him among the other PF's from the 2010 Free Agency.

I don't recall. Maybe an exaggeration.

mttwlsn16
04-19-2011, 12:01 PM
he is 2nd. amare is better, but thats it
although i do like boozers toughness

Fnom11
04-19-2011, 12:02 PM
I don't recall. Maybe an exaggeration.

"Two and a Half Men" is some that comes to mind.

Hitman21
04-19-2011, 12:03 PM
More like

1.Amare











2.Bosh
3.Boozer

gsgs49
04-19-2011, 12:05 PM
3rd best PF FA, but what does that mean?

nycsports2
04-19-2011, 12:05 PM
more like

1.amare











2.bosh
3.boozer

this

hugepatsfan
04-19-2011, 12:06 PM
He's the best one. And he always was. People were just making fun of him.

Tarheels23
04-19-2011, 12:06 PM
Amare is easily best. But Bosh is 2nd

godolphins
04-19-2011, 12:06 PM
More like

1.Amare











2.Bosh
3.Boozer

That's an insult putting Boozer that close to Bosh

gsgs49
04-19-2011, 12:06 PM
People are forgetting that Dirk Nowitzki was a FA the previous summer.

Baller1
04-19-2011, 12:07 PM
Amare is head and shoulders above the rest, but Bosh isn't as bad as a lot of people like to think.

daleja424
04-19-2011, 12:09 PM
Bosh and Amare are equally talented in their own ways...and both are better than Boozer and Lee.

Hitman21
04-19-2011, 12:09 PM
That's an insult putting Boozer that close to Bosh

Your right


1.Amare














2. Bosh

3. Boozer


better?

Sadds The Gr8
04-19-2011, 12:10 PM
so Gasol is out the top 3 after one game? really guys?

North Yorker
04-19-2011, 12:11 PM
so Gasol is out the top 3 after one game? really guys?

Talking about the PF FA class bud. Amare,Bosh,Boozer,Lee

Hitman21
04-19-2011, 12:11 PM
People are forgetting that Dirk Nowitzki was a FA the previous summer.

Who?

nyyfan4life
04-19-2011, 12:13 PM
Before this season it was:

Bosh
Amare

Boozer

Lee

Now its

Amare
Bosh

Boozer

Lee

IMO

heatking
04-19-2011, 12:16 PM
I dont see how amare and bosh are further and bosh and boozer... Bosh is a better defender than amare, jumpshot for both is about equal. Amare is more able to carry a team, but bosh has proven to be a great player kind of like pau in being able to play with other great players.

Boozer on the other hand is probably the 4th best Player on a team struggling to find a scoring option to help its star.

heatking
04-19-2011, 12:18 PM
Completely forgot about dirk, hes probably 1a 1b with amare.

mikealike305
04-19-2011, 12:19 PM
1A.amare
1B. bosh
2. booz
3.lee

smith&wesson
04-19-2011, 12:27 PM
More like

1.Amare











2.Bosh
3.Boozer


x3

Baller1
04-19-2011, 12:29 PM
I'm surprised Boozer has been such a bust in Chicago. I expected him to play really well with Rose.

heatking
04-19-2011, 12:35 PM
I'm surprised Boozer has been such a bust in Chicago. I expected him to play really well with Rose.

Hes a pick and roll player, he needs a true pg to excell.

Double_R
04-19-2011, 12:35 PM
More like:

Dirk

Amare








Bosh

Boozer

They are all legit players, this is just the order of talent. Boozer and Bosh are pretty damn close if you ask me.

Chrash Davis
04-19-2011, 12:39 PM
I'm surprised Boozer has been such a bust in Chicago. I expected him to play really well with Rose.

Is it just me, or are Boozer's numbers this year better than Bosh's numbers?
:shrug:

dnewguy
04-19-2011, 12:39 PM
Bosh is better than Amare, every team in the league will rather have Bosh than Amare.......and I mean EVERY.

Nowitski
Bosh
Duncan
Aldridge
P Gasol.

Matter of fact Amare dont belong in top 5, so overrated. Dude can't play defense, I dont understand why people are over-ranking him.

dhopisthename
04-19-2011, 12:40 PM
I'm surprised Boozer has been such a bust in Chicago. I expected him to play really well with Rose.

well he went from deron williams who is a better passer to rose who is a better scorer. Also, everyone seems to forget the biggest attraction to bosh was his ability to stay healthy. You never know when amare's knee might go out again and as for boozer he misses alot of games every season unless it is a contract year

heatking
04-19-2011, 12:45 PM
well he went from deron williams who is a better passer to rose who is a better scorer. Also, everyone seems to forget the biggest attraction to bosh was his ability to stay healthy. You never know when amare's knee might go out again and as for boozer he misses alot of games every season unless it is a contract year

Not only that but bosh was clearly the 3rd best target in FA as a whole. He had the combination of youth, health, skill, and character that separated him from everyone else.

Im not gonna sit here and say bosh is better than amare this year because he clearly struggled at the beginning of the season, but with the way he has played since allstar break he is closing that gap between him and amare.

topdog
04-19-2011, 12:46 PM
Bosh is better than Amare, every team in the league will rather have Bosh than Amare.......and I mean EVERY.

Nowitski
Bosh
Duncan
Aldridge
P Gasol.

Matter of fact Amare dont belong in top 5, so overrated. Dude can't play defense, I dont understand why people are over-ranking him.

LMFAO and I'm not talking about party rock :p First, the discussion, as titled, was about 2010 FAs. Second, Amare has proven that he can be very talented offensively even without Nash (unlike others ahem Diaw Diaw). And he can play good defense under a coach like Gentry just not D'Antoni.

aman_13
04-19-2011, 12:47 PM
You guys change your opinion every year. Last year everyone had Bosh ahead of Amare and now this year it's vice-versa.

Sadds The Gr8
04-19-2011, 12:50 PM
Talking about the PF FA class bud. Amare,Bosh,Boozer,Lee

oh **** my bad:facepalm:

NYY NYJ NYK
04-19-2011, 12:50 PM
Bosh is better than Amare, every team in the league will rather have Bosh than Amare.......and I mean EVERY.



:laugh2:

heatking
04-19-2011, 12:50 PM
You guys change your opinion every year. Last year everyone had Bosh ahead of Amare and now this year it's vice-versa.

Amare took his game to a new level, and bosh regressed some but that gap is closing with how bosh is playing.

dnewguy
04-19-2011, 12:52 PM
LMFAO and I'm not talking about party rock :p First, the discussion, as titled, was about 2010 FAs. Second, Amare has proven that he can be very talented offensively even without Nash (unlike others ahem Diaw Diaw). And he can play good defense under a coach like Gentry just not D'Antoni.

In that case:

Dirk
Bosh
Aldridge
Amare


Boozer


Can't blame Boozer though, by the time Rose pass him the ball it's less than 5 secs left to shoot.

ShakeN'Bake
04-19-2011, 12:52 PM
I would rather have Amare.

dnewguy
04-19-2011, 12:54 PM
:laugh2:

Most people will tell you that Bosh is a better defender than Amare. It's true that Bosh defends like a strong Woman sometimes but Amare defends like a transvestite, he doesn't know what sex he belongs.

mttwlsn16
04-19-2011, 12:55 PM
did someone really put lmaorcus aldridge ahead of Stat? :laugh:

mttwlsn16
04-19-2011, 12:56 PM
Most people will tell you that Bosh is a better defender than Amare. It's true that Bosh defends like a strong Woman sometimes but Amare defends like a transvestite, he doesn't know what sex he belongs.

win

dnewguy
04-19-2011, 12:56 PM
did someone really put lmaorcus aldridge ahead of Stat? :laugh:

I did.

daleja424
04-19-2011, 01:01 PM
Im going to bring out a little FACT for you guys. 2010-2011 advanced stats for Amare and Bosh:

ORTG
Bosh 115 > Amare 109

DRTG
Bosh 103 > Amare 108

Differential
Bosh +12 > Amare +1

Winshares
Bosh 10.3 > Amare 8.0

Rebound%
Bosh 13.6 > Amare 12.7

TS%
Bosh 56.9 > Amare 56.5

...for all of you people saying Amare is way better than Bosh :eyebrow:

Chi StateOfMind
04-19-2011, 01:03 PM
did someone really put lmaorcus aldridge ahead of Stat? :laugh:

Dude ur better off sayin LA cuz that attempt on spelling was turrible as barkley would say

Its LaMarcus and ill take amare over bosh anyday dudes a beast

Shark
04-19-2011, 01:03 PM
Umm relax, they are playing Philly, a team that made the playoffs in 7th with a 41-41 record. Bosh should not have shot less then 50% from the field this year with Wade and Lebron being on that team. Yet Wade and Lebron both shot over 50%.

Sadds The Gr8
04-19-2011, 01:05 PM
Im going to bring out a little FACT for you guys. 2010-2011 advanced stats for Amare and Bosh:

ORTG
Bosh 115 > Amare 109

DRTG
Bosh 103 > Amare 108

Differential
Bosh +12 > Amare +1

Winshares
Bosh 10.3 > Amare 8.0

Rebound%
Bosh 13.6 > Amare 12.7

TS%
Bosh 56.9 > Amare 56.5

...for all of you people saying Amare is way better than Bosh :eyebrow:
:confused:

Umm relax, they are playing Philly, a team that made the playoffs in 7th with a 41-41 record. Bosh should not have shot less then 50% from the field this year with Wade and Lebron being on that team. Yet Wade and Lebron both shot over 50%.

+1

daleja424
04-19-2011, 01:05 PM
...and Boozer lags behind both of them

daleja424
04-19-2011, 01:06 PM
defensive rating refers to how many points you opponent scores against you, thus a lower defensive rating indicates a better defender

Sadds The Gr8
04-19-2011, 01:07 PM
defensive rating refers to how many points you opponent scores against you, thus a lower defensive rating indicates a better defender

it's a bad indicator when comparing players anyways. it's more of a team stat

John Walls Era
04-19-2011, 01:08 PM
1) Dirk
2) Bosh
3) Amare
4) Boozer

I'm sorry but if you're not a crazy scorer like Dirk, you better avg 10 boards, something Amare has never done in his career.

John Walls Era
04-19-2011, 01:08 PM
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John Walls Era
04-19-2011, 01:10 PM
Im going to bring out a little FACT for you guys. 2010-2011 advanced stats for Amare and Bosh:

ORTG
Bosh 115 > Amare 109

DRTG
Bosh 103 > Amare 108

Differential
Bosh +12 > Amare +1

Winshares
Bosh 10.3 > Amare 8.0

Rebound%
Bosh 13.6 > Amare 12.7

TS%
Bosh 56.9 > Amare 56.5

...for all of you people saying Amare is way better than Bosh :eyebrow:

Seems good to me. Its too bad the trio decided to form in Miami otherwise Bosh wouldn't be so underrated. But then again, I'm sure they care more about championships than where people rank them.

nyyfan4life
04-19-2011, 01:11 PM
Does anyone have that vid of that Amare dunk on Garnett and Jermaine O'Neal from Sunday's game?

midwestmadman
04-19-2011, 01:12 PM
:confused:


+1

proof that there is nothing to do in Canada :).

Just playin' with ya Saddler, interesting take.

But Bosh you have no rank for toughness which is what Bosh lacks, that is why most of us in here place him behind Amare'.

John Walls Era
04-19-2011, 01:13 PM
proof that there is nothing to do in Canada :).

Just playin' with ya Saddler, interesting take.

But Bosh you have no rank for toughness which is what Bosh lacks, that is why most of us in here place him behind Amare'.

Whats so tough about Amare? I never understand how a guy who doesn't play defense or rebound is considered to be tough.

midwestmadman
04-19-2011, 01:14 PM
Opps sorry sadler my apologies again Saddler, I just saw that you had quote someone else. Who every did the advanced meaningless stat that comment was made for you.

gotoHcarolina52
04-19-2011, 01:14 PM
By the end of the playoffs, "Like a Bosh" will end up being a compliment.

thekmp211
04-19-2011, 01:14 PM
Does anyone have that vid of that Amare dunk on Garnett and Jermaine O'Neal from Sunday's game?

that was awesome.

i think amare is better but bosh is very, very good. he is one of the more underrated players at least on these boards. best third option in the league, its hard to put up big numbers playing with the two best players in the world. i'd like to see him avg. 10 boards a game next season (assuming they dont acquire a real starting center)

Rego247
04-19-2011, 01:16 PM
1. dirk
2. amare
3. Gasol
4. LA
5. Boozer
6. Bosh

midwestmadman
04-19-2011, 01:16 PM
he doesn't take plays off, he attacks the rim, he isn't afraid of contact and he finishes even with contact. Bosh is falling in love with jump shots instead of playing on the block, and I had to deal with Rasheed Wallace here in Detroit for years. Bosh is a great post player he has great post moves why isn't he using them more often?

Hitman21
04-19-2011, 01:18 PM
if i was driving to the lane, and bosh came up to blk my shot, it wouldnt deter me from continuing...if amare came to blk my shot..id probably **** myself

daleja424
04-19-2011, 01:19 PM
it's a bad indicator when comparing players anyways. it's more of a team stat

yes it is...except that it passes the eye test as well. I am sure that most people that watch basketball would agree that bosh is a better defender...

John Walls Era
04-19-2011, 01:19 PM
if i was driving to the lane, and bosh came up to blk my shot, it wouldnt deter me from continuing...if amare came to blk my shot..id probably **** myself

I wouldn't I would want to posterize both of them. :)

Too bad I'm not tall or I would be the best PF in the league.

Da Knicks
04-19-2011, 01:20 PM
Amare
Dirk




Bosh
Boozer
Lee

Chi StateOfMind
04-19-2011, 01:21 PM
I will say tho bosh is unappreciated and underrated....best third option IMO

Jetsguy
04-19-2011, 01:22 PM
yes it is...except that it passes the eye test as well. I am sure that most people that watch basketball would agree that bosh is a better defender...

I dont really see the point in saying that when the truth is they are both horrible defenders and saying Bosh is a better defender than Amare is not much of a compliment unless your Kevin Martin.

John Walls Era
04-19-2011, 01:27 PM
yes it is...except that it passes the eye test as well. I am sure that most people that watch basketball would agree that bosh is a better defender...

Yeah but people are just going to say "But they both sucks". But I agree that Bosh is way better, in that hes not a liability on D and that the Heat have one of the best Ds in the league.

chitown815
04-19-2011, 01:32 PM
alot of the Bosh love is also hinging on playoffs, the 76ers have been cold since april 1st
beating tor,and nj at home, losing at home to ny orl, and det, and at mil and boston, its not the same team, He has zero inside presence, one on one boozer, garnett or amare will destroy bosh in a series, and do you think he can handle a best of 7 boxing out boozer and/or noah, and gms taking bosh over amare? maybe the magic who already have size in the paint but not really anyone else

DamnGoat
04-19-2011, 01:32 PM
That's an insult putting Boozer that close to Bosh
Do you even bother looking at their numbers before saying things like this?

Minimal
04-19-2011, 01:34 PM
I say its tie between Bosh, Dirk and Amare

roshan3ai
04-19-2011, 01:35 PM
Bosh is better than Amare, every team in the league will rather have Bosh than Amare.......and I mean EVERY.

Nowitski
Bosh
Duncan
Aldridge
P Gasol.

Matter of fact Amare dont belong in top 5, so overrated. Dude can't play defense, I dont understand why people are over-ranking him.

Not a chance. I bet you that most teams would take Amar'e over Bosh. Amar'e is dominant on offense and is the best pick and roll big in the game. Amar'e is also a leader and wasn't afraid of taking the challenge of going to the big stage and trying to turn the franchise around. Bosh on the other hand took the role of being the "other" big 3 player and is soft.

Amar'e isn't a great defender, but it's not like Bosh is suddenly Tim Duncan on defense. The advantage that Amar'e has on offense is not overtaken by Bosh's advantage on defense. In the two seasons prior to this season, Bosh, as a number one option, had poor DRTG's of 111 and 108. Amar'e this year as a number one option? 108. So let's not act like Bosh has this huge advantage on defense.

Bosh has a slight advantage on defense, and a very small advantage on the boards. They both have TRB%'s around 13. Amar'e is more versatile on offense, and one of the hardest players to guard in the league because he can drive and overpower you or hit the 15 footer. Bosh has a nice midrange jumper, but he's not as adept at finishing around the rim as Amar'e is. And Amar'e is more of a leader and wasn't afraid of taking the challenge of playing in the lime light. So I HIGHLY doubt that every NBA team would take Bosh over Amar'e.

Amar'e is not amazingly ahead of Bosh or anything but to say that every team in the NBA would take Bosh over Amar'e is moronic

CHANGO
04-19-2011, 01:36 PM
Bosh is CHILLING right now...

23ppg, 11.5rpg, 56%FG

Sox72
04-19-2011, 01:38 PM
More like:

Dirk

Amare








Bosh

Boozer

They are all legit players, this is just the order of talent. Boozer and Bosh are pretty damn close if you ask me.

Agreed.

KingPosey
04-19-2011, 01:38 PM
I'm surprised Boozer has been such a bust in Chicago. I expected him to play really well with Rose.

Well he was also injured for a big part of the season, and played well before he went down. He still almost avg'ed 18 and 10. dissapointing , yes. a bust in Chi? IDK.....

gotoHcarolina52
04-19-2011, 01:38 PM
Bosh is CHILLING right now...

23ppg, 11.5rpg, 56%FG

:speechless: M-V-P!

chitown815
04-19-2011, 01:38 PM
this is the typical Lebron first round make a statement in round 1 so all his fans get the bigger letdown in the later rounds, I have seen Groundhog Day I know how this story ends

gotoHcarolina52
04-19-2011, 01:46 PM
this is the typical Lebron first round make a statement in round 1 so all his fans get the bigger letdown in the later rounds, I have seen Groundhog Day I know how this story ends

Nah. Not this year, bud.

roshan3ai
04-19-2011, 01:47 PM
Im going to bring out a little FACT for you guys. 2010-2011 advanced stats for Amare and Bosh:

ORTG
Bosh 115 > Amare 109

DRTG
Bosh 103 > Amare 108

Differential
Bosh +12 > Amare +1

Winshares
Bosh 10.3 > Amare 8.0

Rebound%
Bosh 13.6 > Amare 12.7

TS%
Bosh 56.9 > Amare 56.5

...for all of you people saying Amare is way better than Bosh :eyebrow:

Efficiency is bound to increase when he's a third option and has two of the best players setting him up. Amare's usage percentage is 7% higher so it's not likely that he's going to have a great TS% or great ORTG either. When he had Nash setting him up, his ORTG was 117 or higher. Amar'e is also better at looking for his teammates and gets about 1 more assist per game.

And Bosh may have the advantage as a man to man defender, but Amare's help Defense is much improved and he racks up 1.3 more blocks per game.

Also, like someone else mentioned, DRTG is a team stat. When Bosh was on Toronto as the number one option, he had a poor DRTG as well.

Raph12
04-19-2011, 01:49 PM
I said he couldn't play a lick of defense and rebound worth a damn so I guess I'm still right... I also said he's more of a 2nd option type of guy like 3yrs ago and he's in a 3rd option role right now, soooo ;)

daleja424
04-19-2011, 01:53 PM
Efficiency is bound to increase when he's a third option and has two of the best players setting him up. Amare's usage percentage is 7% higher so it's not likely that he's going to have a great TS% or great ORTG either. When he had Nash setting him up, his ORTG was 117 or higher. Amar'e is also better at looking for his teammates and gets about 1 more assist per game.

And Bosh may have the advantage as a man to man defender, but Amare's help Defense is much improved and he racks up 1.3 more blocks per game.

Also, like someone else mentioned, DRTG is a team stat. When Bosh was on Toronto as the number one option, he had a poor DRTG as well.

LOL...so compare Bosh last year when he was the man to this year when Stat is...

PER
Bosh 25.0 > Stat 22.7

TS%
Bosh 59.2 > Stat 56.5

Rebounding%
Bosh 17.7 > Stat 12.7

Point Differential per 100 possessions
Bosh +6 > Stat +1

Winshares
Bosh 9.6 > Stat 8.0

...all you did was strengthen my comparison and make Bosh look even better than Amare...

mttwlsn16
04-19-2011, 01:55 PM
Dude ur better off sayin LA cuz that attempt on spelling was turrible as barkley would say

Its LaMarcus and ill take amare over bosh anyday dudes a beast

LMAO rcus aldridge...that one went right over your head lol

Avenged
04-19-2011, 01:58 PM
Bosh is just a bit underrated for being soft, as are most soft players. Being a Lakers fan, I know first hand with Pau Gasol.

Slimsim
04-19-2011, 01:58 PM
Dirk
Amare
Bosh
Boozer
Lee

Kyben36
04-19-2011, 02:05 PM
what are you trying to prove, he plays with D Wade and James, and gets easy buckets. he shoots jumpers ( a la Tyler hansbrough ), does that make him good. he does little on the defensive end and still cant rebound. as far as being a top FA, sure, he is a nice 3rd option, but it doesnt put him above anyone else.

Chi StateOfMind
04-19-2011, 02:07 PM
LMAO rcus aldridge...that one went right over your head lol

:facepalm::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

my bad LMFAO!!!!didnt even see it

i was like damn this dude cant spell for sh-- lol

aman_13
04-19-2011, 02:15 PM
what are you trying to prove, he plays with D Wade and James, and gets easy buckets. he shoots jumpers ( a la Tyler hansbrough ), does that make him good. he does little on the defensive end and still cant rebound. as far as being a top FA, sure, he is a nice 3rd option, but it doesnt put him above anyone else.

Why do some people say he can't rebound? Look at his career stats. The guy is an above average rebounder.

roshan3ai
04-19-2011, 02:26 PM
LOL...so compare Bosh last year when he was the man to this year when Stat is...

PER
Bosh 25.0 > Stat 22.7

TS%
Bosh 59.2 > Stat 56.5

Rebounding%
Bosh 17.7 > Stat 12.7

Point Differential per 100 possessions
Bosh +6 > Stat +1

Winshares
Bosh 9.6 > Stat 8.0

...all you did was strengthen my comparison and make Bosh look even better than Amare...

And again, Amare's USG% was still higher than Bosh so his TS% took a hit. Bosh was also battling with literally nobody on the boards. Bargnani got 6 rbs per game, and the next highest was Hedo at 4.5. Amar'e's rebounding numbers took a big hit when Melo came to town, and even before, Chandler, Gallo and Fields all were adept at grabbing boards, combining for 17 boards per game. And there is clearly an inflation in PER for Bosh if he can go down 6 points from last year to this year and Amare's PER stayed the same at 23.

Not sure how one comes up with Win Shares or Point Differential per possession so I can't really argue that.

Also, as a number one option, Amar'e led his team to the playoffs (can't say it was because of Melo because they were on track to make the playoffs before Melo arrived) while Bosh was unable to lead them to the playoffs as a number one option.

Amare's stats are also going to be inconsistent because of the mid-season trade and the beginning of the season when the team was learning to play together.

Feel free to respond to me post replying to DNewguy's post btw

marcus4989
04-19-2011, 02:35 PM
;)
And again, Amare's USG% was still higher than Bosh so his TS% took a hit. Bosh was also battling with literally nobody on the boards. Bargnani got 6 rbs per game, and the next highest was Hedo at 4.5. Amar'e's rebounding numbers took a big hit when Melo came to town, and even before, Chandler, Gallo and Fields all were adept at grabbing boards, combining for 17 boards per game. And there is clearly an inflation in PER for Bosh if he can go down 6 points from last year to this year and Amare's PER stayed the same at 23.

Not sure how one comes up with Win Shares or Point Differential per possession so I can't really argue that.

Also, as a number one option, Amar'e led his team to the playoffs (can't say it was because of Melo because they were on track to make the playoffs before Melo arrived) while Bosh was unable to lead them to the playoffs as a number one option.

Amare's stats are also going to be inconsistent because of the mid-season trade and the beginning of the season when the team was learning to play together.

Feel free to respond to me post replying to DNewguy's post btw



Please expand on the inflation :facepalm:... is the PER a real or nominal rate?

And Bosh made the playoffs with a terrible supporting case, in fact clinched the sixth seed in the 2008 playoffs with a 41 and 41 record, with a far less talented team than Stats and the NYK...

Stat had a supporting cast of Danilo, Felton, Chandler, Fields for most of the season (improvement in the Nuggets after the trade) and Melo, Fields, and Billups for the latter part of the season. That argument of battling for rebounds is two fold because you fail to realize the talent that Stat had on the team was far more superior than Bosh's.

please feel free to reply

;)

Branwegner84
04-19-2011, 02:39 PM
Im going to bring out a little FACT for you guys. 2010-2011 advanced stats for Amare and Bosh:

ORTG
Bosh 115 > Amare 109

DRTG
Bosh 103 > Amare 108

Differential
Bosh +12 > Amare +1

Winshares
Bosh 10.3 > Amare 8.0

Rebound%
Bosh 13.6 > Amare 12.7

TS%
Bosh 56.9 > Amare 56.5

...for all of you people saying Amare is way better than Bosh :eyebrow:

Stats only tell part of the story and can be misleading;For example, look at Bosh vs Boozer stats. Plus, when you play with two of the top 5 players in the NBA, you are going to get a lot of easy points, since most of the other teams attention isn't focused on you.

ORTG
Bosh 115 > Boozer 105

DRTG
Bosh 103 < Boozer 99

Winshares
Bosh 10.3 > Boozer 5.8

Rebound %
Bosh 13.6 < Boozer 17.6

TS%
Bosh .569 > Boozer .542

EFG%
Bosh .499 < Boozer .510

PER
Bosh 19.4 > Boozer 18.8

AST%
Bosh 8.9 < Boozer 14.3

By the way, it's:
Dirk
Amare
Bosh
Boozer
Lee

marcus4989
04-19-2011, 02:44 PM
Stats only tell part of the story and can be misleading;For example, look at Bosh vs Boozer stats. Plus, when you play with two of the top 5 players in the NBA, you are going to get a lot of easy points, since most of the other teams attention isn't focused on you.





Fundamental flaw... while this may be true, it does NOT outweigh the fact that he is getting a SIGNIFICANT less USAGE RATE this season than he was in the number 1 option in Toronto... your argument is only applicable with regards to efficiency


It has no bearing on who is better... one must apply more variables into the equation when determining that

Kyben36
04-19-2011, 02:56 PM
Why do some people say he can't rebound? Look at his career stats. The guy is an above average rebounder.

he was an average rebounder ( the guy is 6"11, he can grab boards ) on a team where Bargs played C. he is not an above average REbounder.

marcus4989
04-19-2011, 03:00 PM
he was an average rebounder ( the guy is 6"11, he can grab boards ) on a team where Bargs played C. he is not an above average REbounder.

LOL best explanation so far in this thread

:facepalm:

with that argument, every single 6'10 + big man that plays more than 30 minutes should get 11 or more boards (last years number for Bosh), to be average... correct?

Boozer averaged 9.6 boards, while Bosh averaged 8.4 ... in effect Boozer is an AVERAGE REBOUNDER, right?

naps
04-19-2011, 03:10 PM
Bosh has always been the best of all the FA PFs of 2010. He is actually by far the best one pretty much from every aspect. Only if he was in chicago or new york, he would now be considered as the best PF in the league on psd.

marcus4989
04-19-2011, 03:13 PM
Bosh has always been the best of all the FA PFs of 2010. He is actually by far the best one pretty much from every aspect. Only if he was in chicago or new york, he would now be considered as the best PF in the league on psd.



:clap: :clap: :clap:

GThawks
04-19-2011, 03:14 PM
No way in hell Amare is that much better than Bosh. It's defintely close between the two.

Crackadalic
04-19-2011, 03:19 PM
Stats only tell part of the story and can be misleading;For example, look at Bosh vs Boozer stats. Plus, when you play with two of the top 5 players in the NBA, you are going to get a lot of easy points, since most of the other teams attention isn't focused on you.

ORTG
Bosh 115 > Boozer 105

DRTG
Bosh 103 < Boozer 99

Winshares
Bosh 10.3 > Boozer 5.8

Rebound %
Bosh 13.6 < Boozer 17.6

TS%
Bosh .569 > Boozer .542

EFG%
Bosh .499 < Boozer .510

PER
Bosh 19.4 > Boozer 18.8

AST%
Bosh 8.9 < Boozer 14.3

By the way, it's:
Dirk
Amare
Bosh
Boozer
Lee

As much as I use advance stats sometimes using it as a final argument is not a good indication on how good a player is. Amare already shown he can carry a team if need be(Game 1) were Bosh won a total of 3 playoff games since he's been into the league

John Walls Era
04-19-2011, 03:20 PM
As much as use advance stats sometimes using it as a final argument is not a good indication on how good a player is. Amare already shown he can carry a team if need be(Game 1) were Bosh won a total of 3 playoff games since he's been into the league

I know there were questionable calls, but the Knicks lost. Also lets not forget about Melo (who is a top 10 player). Bosh has never had another top 30 player, while Amare has Nash [Marion] and Melo now.

marcus4989
04-19-2011, 03:23 PM
As much as I use advance stats sometimes using it as a final argument is not a good indication on how good a player is. Amare already shown he can carry a team if need be(Game 1) were Bosh won a total of 3 playoff games since he's been into the league


CARRY, dayummmmmn your reaching???? you forget you have another SUPERSTAR on your roster?

excuse me, you have Carmelo Anthony!... so melo sucked it up for the last 4 minutes of the game, it doesn't mean Stat is going to get a hernia from "carrying the knicks"... and don't act like he carried them before the trade, the contingent that was traded has elevated the Nuggets... The argument is a double edged swrd


Now tell me, who did Bosh have when he won those 3 games? Stat has still yet won a playoff game by himself... of course that' is not the premise of my argument, but it seems like it is your's

marcus4989
04-19-2011, 03:24 PM
I know there were questionable calls, but the Knicks lost. Also lets not forget about Melo (who is a top 10 player). Bosh has never had another top 30 player, while Amare has Nash [Marion] and Melo now.

Preach on

gsgs49
04-19-2011, 03:27 PM
Stats only tell part of the story and can be misleading;For example, look at Bosh vs Boozer stats. Plus, when you play with two of the top 5 players in the NBA, you are going to get a lot of easy points, since most of the other teams attention isn't focused on you.

ORTG
Bosh 115 > Boozer 105

DRTG
Bosh 103 < Boozer 99

Winshares
Bosh 10.3 > Boozer 5.8

Rebound %
Bosh 13.6 < Boozer 17.6

TS%
Bosh .569 > Boozer .542

EFG%
Bosh .499 < Boozer .510

PER
Bosh 19.4 > Boozer 18.8

AST%
Bosh 8.9 < Boozer 14.3

By the way, it's:
Dirk
Amare
Bosh
Boozer
Lee

It's not a good comparison here,Bosh played 77 games and Boozer played 59 games,you should use WS/48 although Bosh still better
Bosh 0.177 Boozer 0.149
I agree with your rankings btw.

Chrash Davis
04-19-2011, 03:27 PM
Bosh has always been the best of all the FA PFs of 2010. He is actually by far the best one pretty much from every aspect. Only if he was in chicago or new york, he would now be considered as the best PF in the league on psd.

Great point...If Boozer or Amare were playing in Miami this year, Miami fans would think there guy is the best.

sunsfan88
04-19-2011, 03:45 PM
Amare the best PF in the East by far. Nobody is even close or gonna be close to him.

naps
04-19-2011, 03:49 PM
this is the typical Lebron first round make a statement in round 1 so all his fans get the bigger letdown in the later rounds, I have seen Groundhog Day I know how this story ends

What does LeBron have to do with this thread :confused::confused:

Oh my bad, you are another chitown fan...

roshan3ai
04-19-2011, 03:49 PM
;)



Please expand on the inflation :facepalm:... is the PER a real or nominal rate?

And Bosh made the playoffs with a terrible supporting case, in fact clinched the sixth seed in the 2008 playoffs with a 41 and 41 record, with a far less talented team than Stats and the NYK...

Stat had a supporting cast of Danilo, Felton, Chandler, Fields for most of the season (improvement in the Nuggets after the trade) and Melo, Fields, and Billups for the latter part of the season. That argument of battling for rebounds is two fold because you fail to realize the talent that Stat had on the team was far more superior than Bosh's.

please feel free to reply

;)
Poor wording on my part. What I really meant was that there must be something wrong with the stat if a player can go down 6 points by switching teams in one year

And on the Raps, at least Bosh had another capable big man in Bargs to take away some of the scoring burden. Amar'e has ****ing Jeffries, Turiaf and Shelden Williams down there, none of whom are capable of doing anything on offense. All the focus is on Amar'e on the offensive end. And I don't really think you can say that the Knicks supporting cast was far and away better than the Raptors's supporting cast. Calderon was playing great ball at that time, and Ford was still a very speedy and capable point guard.

And since the Knicks had to get acclimated with their teammates at the beginning of the season then again in the middle of the season, their record dipped. It was Amar'e's first year and it took a good 11 games to get some chemistry, and then when we traded for melo, we had to go through the acclimation period again and it hurt our record. So it's not like the Knicks were barely better than the Raptors of 08.

NYK|NYY
04-19-2011, 03:51 PM
Advance stats aside, I think Amar'e is better! (than bosh)

FrenchSunsFan
04-19-2011, 03:55 PM
[QUOTE=nyyfan4life;17563897]Before this season it was:

Bosh
Amare

Boozer

Lee

Now its

Amare
Bosh

Boozer

Lee

Amare always be better than CB4 , they from the same draft and who was the rookie of the year , MVP of rookie challenge , western conference finalist ...

geraptor
04-19-2011, 03:58 PM
[QUOTE=nyyfan4life;17563897]Before this season it was:

Bosh
Amare

Boozer

Lee

Now its

Amare
Bosh

Boozer

Lee

Amare always be better than CB4 , they from the same draft and who was the rookie of the year , MVP of rookie challenge , western conference finalist ...

they are not from the same draft.

Crackadalic
04-19-2011, 04:02 PM
I know there were questionable calls, but the Knicks lost. Also lets not forget about Melo (who is a top 10 player). Bosh has never had another top 30 player, while Amare has Nash [Marion] and Melo now.

I think your misunderstood me. Im not using that as a argument but Amare pretty much played better in the playoffs then Bosh did. Even if the supporting cast was good or not doesnt mean the player can't perform well. CP3 supporting cast is not that good yet he put up a great game. Dwight Howard supporting cast is even worse yet he put up monster numbers


CARRY, dayummmmmn your reaching???? you forget you have another SUPERSTAR on your roster?

excuse me, you have Carmelo Anthony!... so melo sucked it up for the last 4 minutes of the game, it doesn't mean Stat is going to get a hernia from "carrying the knicks"... and don't act like he carried them before the trade, the contingent that was traded has elevated the Nuggets... The argument is a double edged swrd


Now tell me, who did Bosh have when he won those 3 games? Stat has still yet won a playoff game by himself... of course that' is not the premise of my argument, but it seems like it is your's


If Amare wasn't playing like a MVP earlier in the season we would have had a harder time making the playoffs post melo trade so lets not act like he is capable of carrying a team. I believe he lead the league in 4th quarter points during the season so he is more then capable.

The supporting cast argument shouldn't mean Player A should not have a good game. CP3 and Howard had a very good supporting cast and were able to play well. Lebron james has d-wade and bosh and is still performing well. Bosh before he came to miami has not perform well at all in toronto

gotoHcarolina52
04-19-2011, 04:06 PM
Advance stats aside, I think Amar'e is better! (than bosh)

He certainly is in a lot of areas, but Bosh has the edge in others. Overall, Amar'e is the more flashy player, but Bosh is no slouch.

Cano4prez
04-19-2011, 04:08 PM
He's the best one. And he always was. People were just making fun of him.

This

Hoopsadvocate
04-19-2011, 04:08 PM
[QUOTE=nyyfan4life;17563897]Before this season it was:

Bosh
Amare

Boozer

Lee

Now its

Amare
Bosh

Boozer

Lee

Amare always be better than CB4 , they from the same draft and who was the rookie of the year , MVP of rookie challenge , western conference finalist ...

They arent from the same draft... all that is nonsense.

marcus4989
04-19-2011, 04:10 PM
Poor wording on my part. What I really meant was that there must be something wrong with the stat if a player can go down 6 points by switching teams in one year

And on the Raps, at least Bosh had another capable big man in Bargs to take away some of the scoring burden. Amar'e has ****ing Jeffries, Turiaf and Shelden Williams down there, none of whom are capable of doing anything on offense. All the focus is on Amar'e on the offensive end. And I don't really think you can say that the Knicks supporting cast was far and away better than the Raptors's supporting cast. Calderon was playing great ball at that time, and Ford was still a very speedy and capable point guard.

And since the Knicks had to get acclimated with their teammates at the beginning of the season then again in the middle of the season, their record dipped. It was Amar'e's first year and it took a good 11 games to get some chemistry, and then when we traded for melo, we had to go through the acclimation period again and it hurt our record. So it's not like the Knicks were barely better than the Raptors of 08.


Appreciate the intelligible response :clap:, at this point its a wash in terms "debate"... we could disagree till our fingers turned blue

i will have to say: 'agree to disagree' with regards to who is the better player

Gators123
04-19-2011, 04:15 PM
Edit.

ddhulett
04-19-2011, 04:15 PM
He's playing the 76's what PF wouldn't have a great series?

mikealike305
04-19-2011, 04:15 PM
put amare on the same team as lebron and wade and this forum would feel completely different about him. mostly NY fans

ddhulett
04-19-2011, 04:20 PM
Amare playing agains KG 2nd runner up for Defensive player of the year just put up 12-18 28pts 11rb.... Not to mention the Celtics are a great defensive team much better than the 41-41 76s

John Walls Era
04-19-2011, 04:22 PM
Amare always be better than CB4 , they from the same draft and who was the rookie of the year , MVP of rookie challenge , western conference finalist ...

We know you have no idea what you're talking about. But thanks for posting.
Bosh from 2004, Amare from 2003.

John Walls Era
04-19-2011, 04:24 PM
Amare the best PF in the East by far. Nobody is even close or gonna be close to him.

:clap: for Loyalty despite Amare spitting at them.

mikealike305
04-19-2011, 04:28 PM
We know you have no idea what you're talking about. But thanks for posting.
Bosh from 2004, Amare from 2003.

im pretty sure its bosh from 03 and amare from 04

gsgs49
04-19-2011, 04:30 PM
We know you have no idea what you're talking about. But thanks for posting.
Bosh from 2004, Amare from 2003.

You mean their rookie season year right? because Amare was picked in the 2002 draft and Bosh in 2003.

mjt20mik
04-19-2011, 04:31 PM
He certainly is in a lot of areas, but Bosh has the edge in others. Overall, Amar'e is the more flashy player, but Bosh is no slouch.

This. Bosh is striving in his role right now with Miami. I would rank him and Amar'e as a close second to Dirk.

KingPosey
04-19-2011, 04:45 PM
Bosh has always been the best of all the FA PFs of 2010. He is actually by far the best one pretty much from every aspect. Only if he was in chicago or new york, he would now be considered as the best PF in the league on psd.

he just isnt better than Dirk, im sorry. Is EVERYONE forgetting that?

And Bosh and Amare are pretty equal in my eyes. I dont know if one will get you a ton more than the other one honestly.

SANDBURG23
04-19-2011, 04:46 PM
Efficiency is bound to increase when he's a third option and has two of the best players setting him up. Amare's usage percentage is 7% higher so it's not likely that he's going to have a great TS% or great ORTG either. When he had Nash setting him up, his ORTG was 117 or higher. Amar'e is also better at looking for his teammates and gets about 1 more assist per game.

And Bosh may have the advantage as a man to man defender, but Amare's help Defense is much improved and he racks up 1.3 more blocks per game.

Also, like someone else mentioned, DRTG is a team stat. When Bosh was on Toronto as the number one option, he had a poor DRTG as well.

As a team Phoe wasn't a great def team. The 1.3 blocks a game might indicate that the def problem is his team or system and not him. Him might look like a pretty good defender if he was a Bull, an outstanding def team.

Redbull
04-19-2011, 04:51 PM
Amare
Bosh
Boozer
Lee

Lake_Show2416
04-19-2011, 05:16 PM
ppl easily forget about someones abilities just cuz their stats and game play happens to be over shadowed by other teammates but it doesn't change how good they actually are, also what about Dirk?

1. Dirk

2. Bosh
3. Amare

4. Boozer

5. David Lee

TylerSL
04-19-2011, 05:20 PM
is everybody forgetting about Dirk??

1.Dirk
2.Bosh
3.Amare
4.Boozer
5.Lee


Thats how it goes in my book. Alot of this "Bosh isnt good" is just stupid hate, he has been amazing for the Heat this year. Say what you want, but a 3rd option that averages 18-8 is playing great.

lvlheaded
04-19-2011, 05:21 PM
Every one is so quick to say who is better Bosh or Amar'e. I dont think you can really compare the two. Both are immensely talented. But Amar'e was the 1st option on his team while Bosh was 3rd. You cant really compare their advanced stats due to usage and all that non-sense and you cant really compare PPG because Amar'e was the first option on his team so obviously, he will have better point totals. Personally I think they are both great where they are now. I think if you put Bosh where Amar'e was, the Knicks would not have been as good as they are because Bosh isnt a 1st option player in my opinion. That isnt to suggest Amar'e is better. Its just Amar'e was better for the Knicks situation just like Bosh was better for Miami.

In the end, if I had to choose, I believe Amar'e has done better SO FAR. Its only been a year though so we will see. This probably wont be the last time this debate is brought up.

naps
04-19-2011, 05:42 PM
Great point...If Boozer or Amare were playing in Miami this year, Miami fans would think there guy is the best.

It's no secret that Bosh was the 3rd most sought after FA behind King James and Dwyane Wade. Tell me who would have taken Amare or Boozer if they had Bosh? There is a reason 32 teams have 32 GMs who are more of basketball geniuses than psd. I am new on psd and I don't post much here but I know that 95% PSD is straight up blatant idiots. Bosh is clearly the better player.

gsgs49
04-19-2011, 05:50 PM
It's no secret that Bosh was the 3rd most sought after FA behind King James and Dwyane Wade. Tell me who would have taken Amare or Boozer if they had Bosh? There is a reason 32 teams have 32 GMs who are more of basketball geniuses than psd. I am new on psd and I don't post much here but I know that 95% PSD is straight up blatant idiots. Bosh is clearly the better player.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh:

Tuck&Rolle
04-19-2011, 05:51 PM
Bosh is a great player but no one likes him cause he just acts like a diva.

mttwlsn16
04-19-2011, 05:51 PM
"Two and a Half Men" is some that comes to mind.

http://www.countdowntofailure.com/images/miami-twohalfmen.jpg

haha ya EVERYONE hated on bosh...myself included. for me though its in fun, hes a very good player no doubt. ive definitely come to respect his game more now that hes on a championship caliber team, and i got league pass and when the clippers werent on i watched some heat games

naps
04-19-2011, 06:03 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh:

My bad. I meant 30 :facepalm:


EDIT: Please, share with us if you have something else to say about rest of my post. I get the feeling that my post was not something that would make you happy.

what54!?
04-19-2011, 06:05 PM
glad bosh is getting love. he gets grief (even from heat fans) but he can ball. The thing I'm happy about with him in the playoffs is that he's playing defense and grabbing rebounds

Rego247
04-19-2011, 06:13 PM
we'll see how bosh fairs against KG. will he step up or fold like a ***** like he always has. that would be a fun series to watch.

sportscrazed
04-19-2011, 06:23 PM
1. Amare

2. Dirk















3. Bosh



4. Boozer
5. Lee

Gram
04-19-2011, 06:37 PM
This would be a Heat fan making the thread.

OregonLakerFan
04-19-2011, 06:52 PM
he doesn't take plays off, he attacks the rim

Amare takes 50% of every game off it is called D-E-F-E-N-S-E don't you watch the T-mobile commercials

Romo2Bryant
04-19-2011, 06:56 PM
We just mind as will vote who's the top 10 PF.

sep11ie
04-19-2011, 06:57 PM
I don't count Dirk, since he didn't switch teams, so I'll go...

Amare
Boozer
Bosh

uprightciti
04-19-2011, 07:04 PM
1. A'mare














2. Boozer
3. Jefferson
4. Lee
5. Bosh

DoJoTheSlasher
04-19-2011, 07:13 PM
Why is everyone forgetting about Dirk Nowitzki who also happens to be the best PF in the game today?

1. Dirk
2. Amare
3. Bosh
4. Boozer

Dirk is the only one on the list who can carry a team by himself pretty deep in the playoffs. Amare is a great #2, Bosh is a good #2 and Boozer is a good #2 or #3. Dirk is a superstar while Amare, Bosh and Boozer are stars.

D Roses Bulls
04-19-2011, 07:27 PM
not all but some of the miami fan base amazes me. you guys start threads like this to call out people when most of you were saying how bosh sucked and all this crap in the first place too when he was under performing. talk about jumping on the band wagon.

naps
04-19-2011, 08:55 PM
not all but some of the miami fan base amazes me. you guys start threads like this to call out people when most of you were saying how bosh sucked and all this crap in the first place too when he was under performing. talk about jumping on the band wagon.

I don't know about the psd miami fans, you might be right since you have been on psd for a while but I have yet to see a positive comment from you about miami heat and it's players. You are one of the most active anti-heat posters and quite often you post something about the heat, which are always negative comments. (not necessarily your comments are wrong, but there are positives too which you never touch because you are full of hatred like 99% bulls fans).

raptors3589
04-19-2011, 11:22 PM
Bosh is a great player. In my opinion he is more versatile than Stat on offense and his defense is slightly better. He had a weak beginning to the season struggling to find his place, but you will see how good he is the more you watch him in the future. Stat is a great player too, but i watched Bosh play in Toronto every season and the dude has game. I don't know what all the hate is about and i really see a much larger amount of negative comments about him on this site, but for sure he is one of the top power forwards in the league. i have him top 15 in the league too.

DwayneMVPwade
04-19-2011, 11:52 PM
More like

1.Amare











2.Bosh
3.Boozer

this

ElMarroAfamado
04-20-2011, 01:07 AM
I dont understand how mods let this thread be...when it is obvious the guy just made it to boast about how great the Heat are and is just provoking negative responses and another everyone hates the Heat thread...how?

ElMarroAfamado
04-20-2011, 01:08 AM
By the way, ITS THE SIXERS

Rego247
04-20-2011, 01:24 AM
By the way, ITS THE SIXERS

yup. gotta keep that in mind.

sunsfan88
04-20-2011, 03:55 AM
:clap: for Loyalty despite Amare spitting at them.
You do realize the only reason (and i mean ONLY) that he didn't resign with us is because we didn't offer him the max right?

He himself said like 50 times afterward that he would have gladly stayed in PHX had our owner not been a penny pitcher and gave him market value.

NEILarado
04-20-2011, 04:12 AM
Im literally LMAO at all these biased Heat fans.. Bosh was the worst of the big 3 PF's this year, get over it!

Boozer put up better numbers at roughly 18/10 compared to Bosh's 19/9 AND his contract was the best of all the PF's. How could you POSSIBLY say Bosh is "way better" than Boozer? Its comical

John Walls Era
04-20-2011, 04:14 AM
^ :laugh:

BlondeBomber41
04-20-2011, 07:20 AM
Dirk
Bosh/Amare
Boozer
Lee

Bosh and Amare are equal. Bosh is better at some things, Amare better at others. No reason to argue over it. Its like arguing over what is better, apple or orange juice. Just a matter of taste.

HiphopRelated
04-20-2011, 09:29 AM
I dont see how amare and bosh are further and bosh and boozer... Bosh is a better defender than amare, jumpshot for both is about equal. Amare is more able to carry a team, but bosh has proven to be a great player kind of like pau in being able to play with other great players.

Boozer on the other hand is probably the 4th best Player on a team struggling to find a scoring option to help its star.
I'm not sure where that "Amare is more able to carry a team talk" rose from


~.500 teams in the east is what Bosh did

They're still equal to me

HiphopRelated
04-20-2011, 09:30 AM
Im literally LMAO at all these biased Heat fans.. Bosh was the worst of the big 3 PF's this year, get over it!

Boozer put up better numbers at roughly 18/10 compared to Bosh's 19/9 AND his contract was the best of all the PF's. How could you POSSIBLY say Bosh is "way better" than Boozer? Its comical
One's a 3rd option playing next to 2 of the 3 best scorers in the league, and the other is Boozer

chitownbears89
04-20-2011, 10:02 AM
I would rather have Amare.

sep11ie
04-20-2011, 12:46 PM
I'm not sure where that "Amare is more able to carry a team talk" rose from


~.500 teams in the east is what Bosh did

They're still equal to me

Gosh, everything always turns into a rose thread...:D

ks32
04-20-2011, 12:57 PM
;)



Please expand on the inflation :facepalm:... is the PER a real or nominal rate?

And Bosh made the playoffs with a terrible supporting case, in fact clinched the sixth seed in the 2008 playoffs with a 41 and 41 record, with a far less talented team than Stats and the NYK...

Stat had a supporting cast of Danilo, Felton, Chandler, Fields for most of the season (improvement in the Nuggets after the trade) and Melo, Fields, and Billups for the latter part of the season. That argument of battling for rebounds is two fold because you fail to realize the talent that Stat had on the team was far more superior than Bosh's.

please feel free to reply

;)

oh so now gallinari and company are a good supporting cast? could have sworn the whole nba forum called them garbage players before the trade deadline..? :eyebrow:

anybody who says they'd rather have bosh over amar'e is just being ignorant. amar'e is so much more of a physical presence than bosh and they both have similar stats, id just take amar'e because he can actually finish at the hoop consistantly

theheatles
04-20-2011, 01:13 PM
If I was starting a team from nothing I would take Amare over Bosh, but as a compliment to Wade and LeBron, Bosh is a much better fit. Bosh is a better jump shooter, system defender, free throw shooter and I think Bosh is a better rebounder as well.

As for Boozer, ha, he's going to be the hindrance to the Bulls from allowing them to win multiple championships in the near future

northsid3r
04-20-2011, 03:47 PM
I'd take amare over bosh.

jzero
04-20-2011, 05:41 PM
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amare


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boozer

jzero
04-20-2011, 05:42 PM
oh so now gallinari and company are a good supporting cast? could have sworn the whole nba forum called them garbage players before the trade deadline..? :eyebrow:

anybody who says they'd rather have bosh over amar'e is just being ignorant. amar'e is so much more of a physical presence than bosh and they both have similar stats, id just take amar'e because he can actually finish at the hoop consistantly

bosh is the 3rd option and he has similar stats to the first option on the knicks? :rolleyes:

koreancabbage
04-20-2011, 05:54 PM
i still don't think Amare is better than Bosh, no matter how you cut it. People are saying Amare is better cuz he plays the inside game? That's BS. he still CO-led his team to a .500 record. the guy shouldn't be claimed as the better player.

he still can't rebound. freaking rebounds like Andrea Bargnani.

i think there is a huge misconception that the way he dunks with authority somehow makes him a better player. Bosh and Amare are the same calibre. and both of them are not the best PF in the game. I would rather have Gasol or Dirk than those two.

Rndy
04-20-2011, 06:10 PM
I for one think the two PF who are sporting a TRB% that would be good for a Small forward are 1 and 2. :rolleyes: I'll take the cheaper more efficient and much better rebounder. But hey nobody ever said the nba forum had intelligence.

Bosh is pretty interesting though I'd like to see his pick and pop game with a point guard.

Cano4prez
04-20-2011, 06:17 PM
I for one think the two PF who are sporting a TRB% that would be good for a Small forward are 1 and 2. :rolleyes: I'll take the cheaper more efficient and much better rebounder. But hey nobody ever said the nba forum had intelligence.

Bosh is pretty interesting though I'd like to see his pick and pop game with a point guard.

Are you really saying Boozer>Amare/Bosh? :laugh:

Jonathan2323
04-20-2011, 06:22 PM
Are you really saying Boozer>Amare/Bosh? :laugh:

Boozer isn't on Amare/Bosh's level. I would take Lee over Boozer, I don't like Boozer's game at all.

IamKaiserSoze
04-20-2011, 06:38 PM
uhh...sorry, stop putting bosh on amare's level. not even close.

Cano4prez
04-20-2011, 06:42 PM
uhh... Bosh can very well be considered better than Amare

sunsfan88
04-20-2011, 06:44 PM
Why do all heat fans have the same sig?

Do you guys not have enough sig creators?

h2r09
04-20-2011, 06:45 PM
bosh is the best all around pf from last years class. he has shown this year that he, of curse, isnt a banger and freak offensively like amare but he can rebound vry well, has a great outside and inside game, and is very very good defensively if their coach actually talks about it once again.

not saying he is the best offensively or even defensively if lee is in the conversation, bu t he is the best all aruond pf from last years class, you cant really debate that at this point.

Lakerhead4ever
04-20-2011, 06:51 PM
Gasol is more skilled than any PF in the league, not the best but more skilled

DIRK
amare
Bosh/Gasol..their game is just about equal in my book, but i would give bosh the edge
Boozer is over rated!! just ask d.rose and deron williams

Rndy
04-20-2011, 06:55 PM
Are you really saying Boozer>Amare/Bosh? :laugh:

That depends on what your team wants/needs. Bulls are a beast rebounding team for a reason. I don't see Bosh and Amare crappy rebounding helping at all. Amare would be nice but he's the only one with a major surgery and for that money I just don't know if he'll hold up. Boozer even with a subpar year by his standards was still efficient and a rebounder. I wanted Boozer over Bosh in free agency and I stand by it. Just don't like Bosh's game but he's playing very well against a team with no bigs. If Bosh beats the crap out of the Celtics and Bulls throughout the playoffs I'll change my tune.

koreancabbage
04-20-2011, 07:26 PM
uhh...sorry, stop putting bosh on amare's level. not even close.

is that a good level or a bad one lol

how is Amare better than Bosh? (or vice versa, i don't know if you're putting Bosh down or Amare down) i don't think you really explained yourself here lol

koreancabbage
04-20-2011, 07:30 PM
Boozer isn't on Amare/Bosh's level. I would take Lee over Boozer, I don't like Boozer's game at all.

meh, they are the same to be honest.

they ALL need a great wing player to as they are all complimentary players. Even Gasol as well.

Only Dirk can take his team to the playoffs if we went through a scenario of replacing the PF spot in a rotating debate. i.e. same team but replace Dirk, Bosh, Gasol, Amare, Boozer, Lee, etc

roshan3ai
04-20-2011, 07:36 PM
Boozer isn't on Amare/Bosh's level. I would take Lee over Boozer, I don't like Boozer's game at all.

Don't get carried away. Lee is a stat padder and his stats this year prove it. Also, he is the worst post defender I've seen in a long time. All he does is put his hands up. Lee is very overrated.

Boozer is a legit post threat and a great rebounder. He's not great on D either but he's still a better offensive player than Lee.

Richinillinois
04-20-2011, 07:47 PM
Who's the best for the money...I don't think Boozer is getting the max..

Cano4prez
04-20-2011, 07:49 PM
Who's the best for the money...I don't think Boozer is getting the max..

Bosh.

Amare is making 16.5M
Bosh is making 14.5M
Boozer is making 14.4M

DaBear
04-20-2011, 08:13 PM
How is putting Boozer close to Bosh an insult? God you Miami homers are some of the worst...

DaBear
04-20-2011, 08:14 PM
Boozer isn't on Amare/Bosh's level. I would take Lee over Boozer, I don't like Boozer's game at all.

:facepalm:

IamKaiserSoze
04-20-2011, 08:16 PM
only in heat-land does anyone think bosh is as good as amare. amare can dominate a game offensively. does often in fact. bosh rarely does. bosh is good, don't get me wrong. and bosh probably is better defensively than amare. and both have played better than boozer has. but when free agency started, i thought the knicks severely overpaid for amare. i have since changed that opinion. he was the best free agent pf signing. except for maybe dirk.

Cano4prez
04-20-2011, 08:34 PM
Some othher fans are saying the same.

koreancabbage
04-20-2011, 09:18 PM
only in heat-land does anyone think bosh is as good as amare. amare can dominate a game offensively. does often in fact. bosh rarely does. bosh is good, don't get me wrong. and bosh probably is better defensively than amare. and both have played better than boozer has. but when free agency started, i thought the knicks severely overpaid for amare. i have since changed that opinion. he was the best free agent pf signing. except for maybe dirk.

just gives up the same amount of points on defense.

just b/c he could score more by shooting more doesn't mean he's a better player. Just b/c Bosh defers to teammates whereas Amare likes to be the main man does not make make him a better basketball player. And this is the main fact that he still led his team to a .500 record, which signifies he needs more help and cannot do it as the main offensive threat. Bosh figured that out and went to a team where he could be just as good a basketball player with better supporting cast: 2nd best record in he conference.

As you said, Bosh is a better defensively. And the fact that Bosh is a better rebounder and team player (career assists, which is funny considering he has better weapons in Wade and Lebron and averages less apg is funny) totally nullifies your argument that amare is a better player.

Amare1
04-20-2011, 10:18 PM
1) Dirk
2) Bosh
3) Amare
4) Boozer

I'm sorry but if you're not a crazy scorer like Dirk, you better avg 10 boards, something Amare has never done in his career.

Dirk Career Average PPG 23
FG% 47

Amare Career Average PPG 22
FG% 54

This year, Amare slightly higher PPG, Dirk slightly higher FG%

so, maybe it's just me but I don't see how scoring wise they are that much different

knicks4life33
04-21-2011, 12:14 AM
Obvisouly amare then bosh then boozer