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alexander_37
04-10-2011, 01:46 PM
Would you the average PSDer call Chuck Hayes an Elite post Defender?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6f5Uyu6Dv4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqk2LW2vHZ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL8JIVrWUEA


How about now?

dhopisthename
04-10-2011, 02:07 PM
yes, I have only seen two times since dwill was traded that al jefferson has had problems scoring. once was against the lakers, and the second was against hayes

John Walls Era
04-10-2011, 02:11 PM
Chuck Hayes is insane on the defensive end. But his offensive game is improving as well; really good passer and has improved his game overall. He would make the AS game if the people didn't only care about offense and flash.

Baller1
04-10-2011, 02:58 PM
Yes.

Chuck Hayes is one of the most incredible individual players in the league because of his uniqueness.

ayuntalo
04-10-2011, 03:08 PM
i use to watch the tmac-yao rockets and chuckwagon is really good defensively.
eventhough he is undersized he is strong and has an iron will.
he is also a great passer for a big man.

there is one weak spot on his defense though. Bigs like Lamarcus Aldridge will kill him. backing down backing down, fade away. seen it before.
but overall chuck is a solid defensive player

Cubsfan365
04-10-2011, 03:44 PM
I thought Chuck Hayes was wayyy older than 27. I can't believe he's only been in the league for 5 years.

rhino17
04-10-2011, 03:56 PM
anyone who is 6'5 and can play center effectively in the NBA has to be an elite defender

hopefully the rockets find a center this offseason so they can slide him back to the PF


i use to watch the tmac-yao rockets and chuckwagon is really good defensively.
eventhough he is undersized he is strong and has an iron will.
he is also a great passer for a big man.

there is one weak spot on his defense though. Bigs like Lamarcus Aldridge will kill him. backing down backing down, fade away. seen it before.
but overall chuck is a solid defensive player

NO ONE can back down chuck Hayes, not a single player in the NBA, they can shoot over him which is the only thing he can't stop, but no player can back him down

he also might have the quickest hands in the nba, if you are gonna shoot a jumper over him, it better be a turn around jumper because if you face him up, he'll pluck the ball out of your hands

and this year he has finally started making layups

dolfan720
04-10-2011, 04:03 PM
elite yes

Furymaker
04-10-2011, 04:45 PM
He's only 6'6'' ? and defending Amare , Bynum and others as he does ? I'd say he's better post defender than Dwight , except Dwight has height advantage and he use it .

nyyfan4life
04-10-2011, 05:05 PM
Ask Roy Hibbert. Chuck Hayes will **** you up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hRBccRxMs&feature=fvst

danniboi168
04-10-2011, 05:07 PM
Ask Roy Hibbert. Chuck Hayes will **** you up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hRBccRxMs&feature=fvst
Chuck hayes will pwn hibbert

John Walls Era
04-10-2011, 05:12 PM
Chuck Hayes is a mother ****ing brick Wall.

championships
04-10-2011, 05:16 PM
Yes Hayes is a defensive specialist down low. What makes it amazing is his height (or lack there of).

alexander_37
04-10-2011, 05:18 PM
i use to watch the tmac-yao rockets and chuckwagon is really good defensively.
eventhough he is undersized he is strong and has an iron will.
he is also a great passer for a big man.

there is one weak spot on his defense though. Bigs like Lamarcus Aldridge will kill him. backing down backing down, fade away. seen it before.
but overall chuck is a solid defensive player

Lol not a single player in the league can back down Chuck an inch too strong and too low of a center of gravity.

John Walls Era
04-10-2011, 06:39 PM
i use to watch the tmac-yao rockets and chuckwagon is really good defensively.
eventhough he is undersized he is strong and has an iron will.
he is also a great passer for a big man.

there is one weak spot on his defense though. Bigs like Lamarcus Aldridge will kill him. backing down backing down, fade away. seen it before.
but overall chuck is a solid defensive player

Chuck Hayes' first moniker: Aldridge Stopper. Shut him down in the playoffs a few years ago.


Hayes is one of those players that would fit on any good team as a starter. Basically don't have to double with Hayes defending.

Gram
04-10-2011, 09:33 PM
Hayes. <3

TO Rapz
04-10-2011, 10:01 PM
Hayes <3

TO Rapz
04-10-2011, 10:01 PM
Hayes. <3

:love:

alexander_37
04-10-2011, 10:21 PM
Chuck on Paul Pierce in Iso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbRZZLD48B4

knicks4life33
04-10-2011, 10:33 PM
chuck hayes is a great defender but his offense is suspect

allSUAVE
04-10-2011, 10:34 PM
Chuck Hayes Needs to be a knick we need him lol

Googlyeyes101
04-10-2011, 10:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93qGm2ZipC4

how about now?

rhino17
04-10-2011, 10:43 PM
chuck hayes is a great defender but his offense is suspect

he might be the best passing big man in the NBA

alexander_37
04-10-2011, 11:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93qGm2ZipC4

how about now?

So one dunk makes up for 3 and a half minutes worth of stops?

mttwlsn16
04-11-2011, 12:04 AM
i really only watch clipper games since theyre my team, except when boston/miami or a thunder/laker or some good game is on

but anytime ive seen clipps play the rockets, chuck hayes makes blake look stupid. so ya, hes elite in my book

bholly
04-11-2011, 12:09 AM
One of the truehoop guys on the ESPN twitter feed (I can't remember which one) referred to him last week as a top-20 NBA IQ in a non-NBA body. I thought that was a pretty decent description.

John Walls Era
04-12-2011, 03:11 AM
Should be on an all defensive team.

What I like most is that he didn't complain (ala Brooks) about not getting an extension early. Now hes playing great and will probably be paid accordingly.

Saad
04-12-2011, 03:41 AM
This guy deserves wayyy more credit. He is a fricken beast!

KingPosey
04-12-2011, 04:12 AM
Lol not a single player in the league can back down Chuck an inch too strong and too low of a center of gravity.

Im pretty sure "First 3 minutes of the game Shaq" would back Chucky down.

KingPosey
04-12-2011, 04:15 AM
So one dunk makes up for 3 and a half minutes worth of stops?

Amare is averaging 25 a game against the Rockets this season and his shooting percentage is higher against you guys(52% vs 50%) vs his season stats. Hayes can D up but he didnt erase AS or anything. Hayes however, owns Amare on the glass.

sunsfan88
04-13-2011, 03:05 AM
I think even Chuck Norris apperciates the things Hayes can do.

Guy is just a baller. A shame that Rocket fans dont chant "M-V-P" when he's at the FT line...

Byronicle
04-13-2011, 03:14 AM
sorry its DHoward...Chuck Hayes is excellent but DHoward is a freakin monster. Take away DHoward and that team has very little interior defense. Take Chuck Hayes out and they will still play hard nose defense

Chronz
04-13-2011, 10:40 AM
Amare is averaging 25 a game against the Rockets this season and his shooting percentage is higher against you guys(52% vs 50%) vs his season stats. Hayes can D up but he didnt erase AS or anything. Hayes however, owns Amare on the glass.
How has he fared throughout his career against Chucky?

sep11ie
04-13-2011, 11:32 AM
I can't believe Chucky had 2 threads on the NBA forum. I love it.

He OWNED Blake Griffin this year.

sep11ie
04-13-2011, 12:39 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hayesch01.html

quick question, how is he an "elite"defender when his defensive rating says other wise

then when its rose, and he plays great, people see his PER, and say hes overated and he sucks

???:facepalm:

Pretty sure it's mostly just fans of 2 certain teams that say Rose is overrated/ovarated.

Chronz
04-13-2011, 01:19 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hayesch01.html

quick question, how is he an "elite"defender when his defensive rating says other wise

then when its rose, and he plays great, people see his PER, and say hes overated and he sucks

???:facepalm:

Because defense is more than just how well your counterpart does, but how you defend on a team level, do you suppress the efficiency of the players around you, how reliant is the team on you.

Also the fact that Hayes isnt playing his rightful position due to the lack of defenders around him should be factored into the equation.

It would be as if Rose were to defend swings on a consistent basis with poor defensive support, you dont think that would harm his Counterpart #'s?

Honestly, I do think Rose could handle the switch better, his tools as a 1 on 1 defender outweigh Hayes for their respective positions. When their hearts are closer is when he outdoes him defensively.

PS Rose isnt a bad defender, hes probably among the best at his position as well.