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gsgs49
04-08-2011, 01:03 PM
In your opinion,where does Tom Thibodeau ranks among coaches?

theheatles
04-08-2011, 01:03 PM
top 6-7

RZZZA
04-08-2011, 01:03 PM
I dunno, somewhere in the top 5?

RZZZA
04-08-2011, 01:05 PM
it's funny because earlier in the season many Bulls fans were on Tom Thibs' *** for what was perceived as poor substitutions, not to mention playing Keith Bogans.

The more we started winning and climbing in the rankings, that talk sort of just died down. Now, nobody questions coach Thibs at all.

Tarheels23
04-08-2011, 01:05 PM
I dunno, somewhere in the top 5?

I think you have to give him more than 1 season.... but it looks like he is headed to top 5

Ray_R
04-08-2011, 01:11 PM
it's funny because earlier in the season many Bulls fans were on Tom Thibs' *** for what was perceived as poor substitutions, not to mention playing Keith Bogans.

The more we started winning and climbing in the rankings, that talk sort of just died down. Now, nobody questions coach Thibs at all.

Even though we gave him crap we understood putting Brewer in would be a hit towards the bench which separates us from other teams because we have one of the best defensive benches in the league. I'd say #5

Hawkeye15
04-08-2011, 01:22 PM
top 5 I think. He is the hot new thing, so he may win COY, and I wouldn't have a problem with that in the slightest. But I can't possibly rank him ahead of Pops, Karl, Phil, and even a few others have an argument. Obviously Thib's short tenure factors in for me

CHItown_23
04-08-2011, 01:26 PM
Somewhere in top 5-7

In no particular order:
Phil
Doc
Thibs
Pop
Karl
Collins

TopsyTurvy
04-08-2011, 01:35 PM
Top 10 but only because he has won championships at the assistant level and has made the transition to head coach as seamlessly as possible.

There's a lot left to be seen including how he reacts to adversity beyond staying on point about the team's goals.

Ripper Gein
04-08-2011, 01:37 PM
Somewhere in top 5-7

In no particular order:
Phil
Doc
Thibs
Pop
Karl
Collins

It's funny because before he got kg he was one of the worst coaches in the NBA...

TopsyTurvy
04-08-2011, 01:46 PM
It's not hard to contrast the performance of Karl and Rivers since the trade deadline. One coach has successfully integrated different talents, one has not... Doc has the success, but I think he's far from one of the best coaches in the league.

Tarheels23
04-08-2011, 01:49 PM
It's funny because before he got kg he was one of the worst coaches in the NBA...

You mean he was coaching the worst team in the NBA

Bullsfan22
04-08-2011, 01:52 PM
I was one of the people questioning his substitution patterns, he definitely worked out the kinks. I really understood starting Bogans as long as he got the quick pull when he wasn't knocking down open shots. I still think he uses deng and overplays him a tad because he's Thibs safety net.

He's a versatile coach and easily one of the greatest defensive minds in the league but his offense knowledge is better than he get credit for also. Him in Rose is the perfect star and coach combo because of how Rose respond to getting chewed out differently from most stars. He's adapted his coaching style well to our roster, but I doubt a lot of other superstars would be able to take his quest of perfection.

The reason he's successful is the same reason why he could also wither away with the wrong set of players. His quest for perfection and his stern ways is perfect for a young up and coming team but could become a problem as the team becomes more experienced.

all in all I believe he's a top 10 coach just because of his defensive scheme. He's on a fast track to the basketball hall of fame.

Ripper Gein
04-08-2011, 01:53 PM
You mean he was coaching the worst team in the NBA

They go hand in hand, before kg

Doc Rivers

Year Team Season Playoffs
1999 ORL 41 - 41 0 - 0
2000 ORL 43 - 39 1 - 3
2001 ORL 44 - 38 1 - 3
2002 ORL 42 - 40 3 - 4
2003 ORL 1 - 10 0 - 0
2004 BOS 45 - 37 3 - 4
2005 BOS 33 - 49 0 - 0
2006 BOS 24 - 58 0 - 0

Cool007
04-08-2011, 01:56 PM
If Bulls win their remaining 4 games, Thibs would be the BEST Rookie coach ever - when you look at the context.

That would mean Bulls won 62 games on a team that previously only won 41 games and that team had 8-new players joined and their best player is only 22 years old and they had injuries to their starting frontcourt who combined to miss about 58 games.

That **** just doesn't happen EVER.

This season has been a big success so far and the credit goes to (Equally) both Thibs and Rose. They both are match made in heaven. Thank god for aligning stars just right for it to happen.

RZZZA
04-08-2011, 01:59 PM
I was one of the people questioning his substitution patterns, he definitely worked out the kinks. I really understood starting Bogans as long as he got the quick pull when he wasn't knocking down open shots. I still think he uses deng and overplays him a tad because he's Thibs safety net.

He's a versatile coach and easily one of the greatest defensive minds in the league but his offense knowledge is better than he get credit for also. Him in Rose is the perfect star and coach combo because of how Rose respond to getting chewed out differently from most stars. He's adapted his coaching style well to our roster, but I doubt a lot of other superstars would be able to take his quest of perfection.

The reason he's successful is the same reason why he could also wither away with the wrong set of players. His quest for perfection and his stern ways is perfect for a young up and coming team but could become a problem as the team becomes more experienced.

all in all I believe he's a top 10 coach just because of his defensive scheme. He's on a fast track to the basketball hall of fame.

Have you ever seen Thibs chew out Derrick? Derrick does a pretty good job of beating himself up when he fails.

I have seen Thibs yell at Korver before, that **** was hilarious. He yelled at him good and long, then sent him back out onto the floor and Kyle immediately nailed a 3.

ManRam
04-08-2011, 02:03 PM
Hard to tell after one year. He's always been regarded as an amazing defensive mind, but teams were reluctant to hire him as a head coach because they thought he might be too demanding, abrasive and oppressing. He's just so obsessive and meticulous that teams were weary for so long, but it's proving that it can work, and that it is successful. After one year, it's obvious to me that he's easily top 10...but only time will tell if he's better than that. His coaching job this year has been nothing short of amazing.

Ripper Gein
04-08-2011, 02:09 PM
^That pic is Hilarious^

Chi StateOfMind
04-08-2011, 02:09 PM
i said top 5 proly should have been a coach earlier he knows his stuff

Bullsfan22
04-08-2011, 02:11 PM
Have you ever seen Thibs chew out Derrick? Derrick does a pretty good job of beating himself up when he fails.

I have seen Thibs yell at Korver before, that **** was hilarious. He yelled at him good and long, then sent him back out onto the floor and Kyle immediately nailed a 3.

In one of the recent articles Rose admits to getting chewed out by thibs. I think it's to a lesser degree because like you said he beats himself up. And yes lmao sometimes I feel sorry for kyle hhahaha.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/category/_/name/nick-friedell

This article 4 paragraph down he says

""I love it," Rose said Saturday of Thibodeau's in-your-face approach. "He definitely yells at me a lot because he knows I can take it. I don't show that much emotion when people talk to me anyways. So he's hard on me, but I just go with the flow and go out there and do what he tells me to do."

RIPSweetness34
04-08-2011, 02:16 PM
Hard to tell after one year. He's always been regarded as an amazing defensive mind, but teams were reluctant to hire him as a head coach because they thought he might be too demanding, abrasive and oppressing. He's just so obsessive and meticulous that teams were weary for so long, but it's proving that it can work, and that it is successful. After one year, it's obvious to me that he's easily top 10...but only time will tell if he's better than that. His coaching job this year has been nothing short of amazing.

This

Kyben36
04-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Hes a realy good coach.

pebloemer
04-08-2011, 02:41 PM
I don't think you can put him over some of the veteran coaches who have been successful for so long (Pop, Karl, Jackson, Sloan (if he still counts), Adelman Collins, etc etc), but to give credit where credit it due, I'll give him Top 10. Wonderful start to his coaching career. I'll admit I was skeptical he'd make the transition to well from assistant to head coach.

Jewelz0376
04-08-2011, 03:42 PM
Top 10...he's a good coach, but can't say he's a top 5 after just 1 season...especially when the season isn't even over...

John Walls Era
04-08-2011, 03:46 PM
Top 10?

Hustlenomics
04-08-2011, 03:47 PM
He's top 3 way better than Doc, people stop overrating Doc Rivers coaching he's BAD

Jewelz0376
04-08-2011, 03:57 PM
He's top 3 way better than Doc, people stop overrating Doc Rivers coaching he's BAD

He's gotten the celtics to 2 finals in 3 years...he's a good coach...

Redbull
04-08-2011, 04:02 PM
Phil
Pop
Thibs

Crackadalic
04-08-2011, 04:04 PM
IMO i think thibs was the real coach of that celtics team. Doc was more of a motivator. Remember people were getting on Doc and how bad he was before that big trade

sep11ie
04-08-2011, 04:06 PM
Top 7, all interchangable though.

effen5
04-08-2011, 04:08 PM
Easily top 5 but Thibs also needed his star player to buy in to his system which is why I love Rose. Thibs and Rose were meant for each other.

Yagyu+
04-08-2011, 04:09 PM
My boss is a lot like Thibodeau. When I'm on assignment, I'll get emails from him with a time stamp of 1:00AM on a Saturday and the subject line will read "Mistakes". All that will be in the body of the text is, "You aren't allowed to make them."

Hustlenomics
04-08-2011, 04:10 PM
IMO i think thibs was the real coach of that celtics team. Doc was more of a motivator. Remember people were getting on Doc and how bad he was before that big trade
exactly. Doc doesn't know what he's doing

jtsunami
04-08-2011, 04:16 PM
Adelman, Pops, Jackson, Karl, Collins, Thibs, Scott Brooks, Nate McMillan, and maybe Doc are the only ones I'd consider "good" coaches. The rest have major flaws.

Skiles doesn't know what offense is. Avery Johnson can't relate to his players. D'Antoni thinks defense is optional. SVG can't control his team or players (and from an outsiders perspective doesn't seem willing to change philosophies that best suit his personnel). I could go on...

sox_fan_35_2000
04-08-2011, 04:17 PM
Best in the world, Best in the World, Best in the world!

RZZZA
04-08-2011, 04:17 PM
why do you think Doc is such a terrible coach? Perkins had to be traded, that wasnt his fault. Celtics look disinterested now but who knows how they'll look in the playoffs.

Jewelz0376
04-08-2011, 04:18 PM
IMO i think thibs was the real coach of that celtics team. Doc was more of a motivator. Remember people were getting on Doc and how bad he was before that big trade

That's a big part of coaching in pro sports though...Not every coach is going to be a big x/o's kinda coach..Being a good motivator and knowing how to interact with players is just as important (especially on vet title contending team)...

KG2TB
04-08-2011, 04:24 PM
The way some people have been talking on this forum and discrediting Rose, Thibs is the best coach of all time in any sport.

But seriously, he's gotta be top 10. More likely top 5. He's still a rookie coach so we'll have to wait and see the rest of his body of work to make a better determination. He's had a great assistant coaching career and his first head coaching job has gone phenomenal so it looks pretty promising.

tbone2171
04-08-2011, 04:30 PM
Who's he?

Chronz
04-08-2011, 04:36 PM
They go hand in hand, before kg

Doc Rivers

Year Team Season Playoffs
1999 ORL 41 - 41 0 - 0
2000 ORL 43 - 39 1 - 3
2001 ORL 44 - 38 1 - 3
2002 ORL 42 - 40 3 - 4
2003 ORL 1 - 10 0 - 0
2004 BOS 45 - 37 3 - 4
2005 BOS 33 - 49 0 - 0
2006 BOS 24 - 58 0 - 0

Winning that many games with the talent he had is impressive, it was basically a bunch of guys playing for contracts when he won COY 99 and winning 44ISH with Grant Hill crippling your teams flexibility and only 1 advantage on the court every night is impressive.

sager729
04-08-2011, 04:38 PM
Best defensive coach in the league and an average offensive coach. I would put him in the top 10 and top 5 the more he learns and is a head coach.