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Gibby23
04-04-2011, 10:55 AM
The NBA is a weird place! How can a man that plays 0 defense call a 2 time champion soft? @wheretheydothatat
http://twitter.com/andrewbynum


He should have asked Amare if he remembered this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kBEzRyODQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5WlJDvv5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ4AfJf7ps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gevE3WF_37M&feature=fvsr

BigCityofDreams
04-04-2011, 10:57 AM
hilarious

xbrackattackx
04-04-2011, 10:57 AM
Sticking up for his team mate I love it.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-04-2011, 11:12 AM
Just cuz Gasol's a Champion doesn't mean he has no flaws in his game. Cuz in reality he does... and Gasol is soft. And Amare having 0 rings makes it irrelevant.

Double_R
04-04-2011, 11:12 AM
Awesome

Slimsim
04-04-2011, 11:13 AM
Sad but true

Amare needs to improve his D and board better before he can trash talk

Slimsim
04-04-2011, 11:15 AM
Beside amare should target bosh Not Gasol very unlikely they meet in the playoffs

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 11:16 AM
Just cuz Gasol's a Champion doesn't mean he has no flaws in his game. Cuz in reality he does... and Gasol is soft. And Amare having 0 rings makes it irrelevant.

Amare has more flaws in his game than Gasol does. Gasol plays better D and rebounds better. Amare had his chances at a ring but couldn't get past Duncan and that had alot to do with the fact that Amare was soft.

magichatnumber9
04-04-2011, 11:19 AM
Now that Amare is in NY his head has grown a few inches.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnSwnnDRlzw

their are 2 sides to every story d-bags

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-04-2011, 11:21 AM
Bynum telling the truth

allday823
04-04-2011, 11:21 AM
Amare has more flaws in his game than Gasol does. Gasol plays better D and rebounds better. Amare had his chances at a ring but couldn't get past Duncan and that had alot to do with the fact that Amare was soft.

Correction = the SUNS had their chance against the SPURS this isn't boxing dumbass.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-04-2011, 11:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnSwnnDRlzw

their are 2 sides to every story d-bags

wide open dunk

javaid64
04-04-2011, 11:22 AM
Now that Amare is in NY his head has grown a few inches.

rather because he's in NY people pay more attention to what he does

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:22 AM
pau gaFLOP doin work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brmBJ_ldFUc

Iron24th
04-04-2011, 11:24 AM
Amar'e could be one hell of a player if he's more focused on defense,he has a good shot blocking ability,but his man on man defense is horrible.

So,yes he should be that player before calling out a champion like Gasol.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtB-ME6C6AY < the best part about gasol's game

J4KOP99
04-04-2011, 11:25 AM
The only way this gets any better is if Jared Jeffries comes to Amare's aid.


Bynum & Gasol vs. Stat and Jeffries...

tonyd3b54
04-04-2011, 11:27 AM
theyre both soft... i dont think gasol can help it. i think amare can but hes an idiot so he only bangs on the offensive end. with his athletic ability if he tried at all on the defensive end he could be a really good defender/rebounder

J4KOP99
04-04-2011, 11:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtB-ME6C6AY < the best part about gasol's game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqI04lZYdAY

haha.. C'mon buddy. Be happy that you guys made the playoffs... with that said, don't start worrying about the Lakers just yet.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:27 AM
The only way this gets any better is if Jared Jeffries comes to Amare's aid.


Bynum & Gasol vs. Stat and Jeffries...

bump that, melo can muscle with pau gaFLOP any damn day of the weak, he is WEAK post player, why do a 7 footer have to flop? EVER? unless he's weak?

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:29 AM
this isn't about lakers vs knicks, it's obvious as a knick fan, I'm not going to say that were anywhere in yalls ballpark, but amare > gaflop all day erry day

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-04-2011, 11:31 AM
Amare has more flaws in his game than Gasol does. Gasol plays better D and rebounds better. Amare had his chances at a ring but couldn't get past Duncan and that had alot to do with the fact that Amare was soft.

Ok... I never said that wasn't true.

Like it or not, Gasol's softy./

knickerbockerny
04-04-2011, 11:31 AM
Love Amare, but he is the wrong guy to call out Pau! I would respect it more if a player like KG or Noah was talking.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:32 AM
Yeah I respect your,point,whatever it doesn't take anything from what Amar'e did in NY,taking a team on his shoulders like he did.

Respect.

exactly, I love watching the lake show, love everybody on that team, except for gasol, he got too be the most annoying player in the NBA, well maybe anderson (sideshowbob) varejo, but I'd like to see gasol cary that Knick team like amare did........wouldn't happen

Hangtime
04-04-2011, 11:33 AM
Gasol is who he is, a finesse player. He has been that way since being in Memphis albeit he has become more aggressive than he was then. But overall he is not changing. For what he is he fits very well on that Laker team.

redsox0717
04-04-2011, 11:35 AM
I hate that ring argument, Pau is soft...period.

Adam Morrison has rings too, does that mean you can't criticize him?

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 11:35 AM
pau gaFLOP doin work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brmBJ_ldFUc

Lol Amar'e dominated Gasol in the postseason last year.

I Like what Bynum had to say,my problem is why Gasol didn't respond and stick up for himself?? Smh

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:36 AM
Love Amare, but he is the wrong guy to call out Pau! I would respect it more if a player like KG or Noah was talking.

I don't care who says it, anybody can see that pau is soft, call it fines, call it methodical, whatever you want too, but at the end of the day, that dude is st8 soft

marcanthony01
04-04-2011, 11:36 AM
but I'd like to see gasol cary that Knick team like amare did........wouldn't happen




How is Amare carrying that team, when their the seventh seed in a weak Eastern confrence......

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 11:37 AM
exactly, I love watching the lake show, love everybody on that team, except for gasol, he got too be the most annoying player in the NBA, well maybe anderson (sideshowbob) varejo, but I'd like to see gasol cary that Knick team like amare did........wouldn't happen

The Knicks are a .500 team that wont reach 50 wins. Amare didn't cary ****. The season doesn't end in December. He doesn't know what it takes to win, he wasn't a winner with the Suns and he isn't bringing a championship the the knicks any time soon.

marlinsfan24
04-04-2011, 11:37 AM
Amar'e could be one hell of a player if he's more focused on defense,he has a good shot blocking ability,but his man on man defense is horrible.

So,yes he should be that player before calling out a champion like Gasol.

I agree with you for the most part, but I don't think being a champion should hide Gasol's flaw of being soft.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:38 AM
Lol Amar'e dominated Gasol in the postseason last year.

I Like what Bynum had to say,my problem is why Gasol didn't respond and stick up for himself?? Smh

damn str8, gasol could NEVER, on any planet, guard amare............and it just proves that gasol is soft,can't even defend his damn self, what a lil *****:facepalm:

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:39 AM
How is Amare carrying that team, when their the seventh seed in a weak Eastern confrence......

are you serious right now? have you watched NBA basketball in the last decade?

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 11:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtB-ME6C6AY < the best part about gasol's game

Lol Derrick Fisher is teaching him well, biggest floppers on that team.

But they are champions never would I take that away from them.

Because alot great players never won a championship.

Hellcrooner
04-04-2011, 11:39 AM
So let see.

Pau led a team with Jaosn williams, battier, Stromile Swift and lorenzen wright to 50 wins and a STACKED west while stou is barely .500 in a team with MELO in a much worse eastern division?

Rebounding? Pau

Iq? PAU

COURT vision ? PAU

PASSING? PAU

DEFENSE? Pau.....

Offense? lets see who had a PASS first two time mvp playing on dantonis offense then more Dantonis offense?

Who was first caged in a slow tempo team with hibbie and fratello and then has a high volume shooter Bryant as teamate?

Stou is better than pau at NOTHING AT ALL

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 11:41 AM
damn str8, gasol could NEVER, on any planet, guard amare............and it just proves that gasol is soft,can't even defend his damn self, what a lil *****:facepalm:

Amare is the toughest guy on a 38 win team. That clown said he was tired last week whil getting spanked for 7 straight games.

Iron24th
04-04-2011, 11:42 AM
exactly, I love watching the lake show, love everybody on that team, except for gasol, he got too be the most annoying player in the NBA, well maybe anderson (sideshowbob) varejo, but I'd like to see gasol cary that Knick team like amare did........wouldn't happen

We are Lakers fans,but aren't blind,we know Gasol is soft,but I have to admit he's a little tougher when it's playoffs.

JonnyBrav000
04-04-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm a Knick fan, but anyone defending Amare with this is just being a damn homer. Before Amare calls anyone soft, he needs to check his game and at least get his rebounding up. His man defense could also use a makeover. He is strong and athletic enough to do it, I don't get why he can't. And yes Pau is soft but Amare isn't the guy who should point this out.

However, I agree posting videos of Amare getting dunked on is just plain stupid. Everyone gets dunked on, except Lebron who has his Nike people confiscate videos of these sort of things when they happen.

marcanthony01
04-04-2011, 11:43 AM
are you serious right now? have you watched NBA basketball in the last decade?

Besides the top three teams in the east they are weak....... Orlando is ok and Atlanta is trash..... Hell the 76ers have a better record than the Knicks..... What are u watching?

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 11:44 AM
They are both right

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 11:44 AM
When Pau Gasol was a Memphis Grizzle, he was nothing much but a poors man Zach Randolph type... Put Amar'e Next to Bynum and Odom .......Man unstoppable

Iron24th
04-04-2011, 11:45 AM
This thread is getting ridiculous,it will be closed soon.

Hellcrooner
04-04-2011, 11:45 AM
When Pau Gasol was a Memphis Grizzle, he was nothing much but a poors man Zach Randolph type... Put Amar'e Next to Bynum and Odom .......Man unstoppable

yeah yeah id like to see Amare leading choclate iwllams, bonzi wells and cezare trybanski to th eplayoffs....

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 11:47 AM
When Pau Gasol was a Memphis Grizzle, he was nothing much but a poors man Zach Randolph type... Put Amar'e Next to Bynum and Odom .......Man unstoppable

The Lakers wouldn't trade Pau for Amare. 3 straight finals and 2 rings since the trade is unstoppable. KG and Perkins would have destroyed Amare in the Finals.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:48 AM
The Lakers wouldn't trade Pau for Amare. 3 straight finals and 2 rings since the trade is unstoppable. KG and Perkins would have destroyed Amare in the Finals.

pretty sure us (knick fans) would hope your right :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: x10000

bigsams50
04-04-2011, 11:51 AM
http://twitter.com/andrewbynum


He should have asked Amare if he remembered this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kBEzRyODQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5WlJDvv5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ4AfJf7ps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gevE3WF_37M&feature=fvsr


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1FIzmYMzE8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYrFdtPYhMM


Anybody can find youtube videos. Doesn't mean anything.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:51 AM
Has Amare ever averaged 10 boards a game? No. Would the knicks be better than a .500 team if he did? Yes.

your so right! 1 more RPG and we would be in the top 4 in the east!!! ^ :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: x500000 just stop please

KOBE24
04-04-2011, 11:51 AM
ballinbalkman here is another video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2I1sluF2PM

even lamar odom wants some!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3S4OogR-wM&feature=related

if u play in the nba long enough there is going to videos of u getting dunked on...blocked and flopping so ya ur cute videos dont mean ****.... just be happy u gus made the playoffs b/c that wouldnt happen if u guys were playing in the western conference

bigsams50
04-04-2011, 11:56 AM
Has Amare ever averaged 10 boards a game? No. Would the knicks be better than a .500 team if he did? Yes.

Gasol has only averaged 10 boards a game this year and last. Hell, theres been years where gasol's only averaged 7 boards a game. Amare has never averaged less than 8 ( unless you want to count the year he only played in 3 games for 16 minutes a game)

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 11:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1FIzmYMzE8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYrFdtPYhMM


Anybody can find youtube videos. Doesn't mean anything.

Thats true. i could have posted Amare's defensive and rebounding stats and made the same point.

marlinsfan24
04-04-2011, 11:57 AM
They are both right

Yup.

JonnyBrav000
04-04-2011, 11:58 AM
So let see.

Pau led a team with Jaosn williams, battier, Stromile Swift and lorenzen wright to 50 wins and a STACKED west while stou is barely .500 in a team with MELO in a much worse eastern division?

Rebounding? Pau

Iq? PAU

COURT vision ? PAU

PASSING? PAU

DEFENSE? Pau.....

Offense? lets see who had a PASS first two time mvp playing on dantonis offense then more Dantonis offense?

Who was first caged in a slow tempo team with hibbie and fratello and then has a high volume shooter Bryant as teamate?

Stou is better than pau at NOTHING AT ALL


Even though I agree that Amare shouldn't be calling Gasol out, you have got to be kidding me. First of all the East is not horrible, yes there are some horrible teams, but there are some really really good teams too. Bulls, Celtics, Heat, Magic, Hawks, at least three of these teams could be championship contenders. Also, Amare was an MVP candidate for much of the season, where he led the Knicks to a very decent start and Carmelo just came aboard, so I don't get how he has anything to do with this. Another thing, Pau may have been the best player on that Memphis team, but Amare was arguably the best player on the Suns all those years and look at the Suns now, no one takes them seriously. Nash would never have won MVP without Amare. So don't make it sound like Amare is just some chump, he was a starter in the All-star game this season and has had a very good year, he should make the 3rd All NBA team this year.

I agree with some of the things you said, Pau is a better rebounder, better IQ, better court vision (which is why Amare wears googles!!!). However Defense? They both Suck. Amare is a better shot blocker, so I give the nod on defense to him. Also Amare is a better shooter and a better offensive player, doesn't matter that he had Nash or that Kobe plays alongside Pau because Nash isn't playing with Amare any longer and Pau hasn't always been teamates with Kobe, that's just a bs excuse.

Amare has less around him, so defenses focus on him much more than defenses focus on Pau. Advantage: AMARE

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 11:58 AM
lol why are u getting so offensive as if u were amare yourself? man calm down.....

and pau is better than amare, look at the team amare has played on. the suns with mike as coach and nash to pash to him, and now the knicks where he still has mike as coach, where as pau is playing with kobe and a much more all around talented team. obviouslly amares PPG are going to be better, doesnt mean he is the better over all player

and pau avg a half a bound more PG, I'm defensive cuz idiots wanna post videos of Amare getting dunked on, trying to prove some point, that's stupid, and I think amare gets wrongly critisized because he welcomed the challenge to make the knicks relevant again, and look, here we are, talking about he knicks again..............and personally, I'm tired of all the damn laker bandwagoneers

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 11:58 AM
Gasol has only averaged 10 boards a game this year and last. Hell, theres been years where gasol's only averaged 7 boards a game. Amare has never averaged less than 8 ( unless you want to count the year he only played in 3 games for 16 minutes a game)

Thanks, so that is 2-0 in for Gasol. See, even you can see that you can be a better rebounder if you try, now go look up the defensive ratings and show me how gasol got better.

ewing
04-04-2011, 11:59 AM
yeah yeah id like to see Amare leading choclate iwllams, bonzi wells and cezare trybanski to th eplayoffs....


Add in a bunch of Mike Miller, Shane Battier, and Eddie Jones types on top of that I think he could manage to get housed in the 1st round like pau did

magichatnumber9
04-04-2011, 12:00 PM
As a Celtic fan I think Pau is every bit as physical as KG at this point of KG's twilighting career. I don't see what's wrong with that. Kev still battles for rebounds and points in the paint. The soft thing is a little bit of a stretch for Pau.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 12:00 PM
yeah yeah id like to see Amare leading choclate iwllams, bonzi wells and cezare trybanski to th eplayoffs....

amare before the trade has us sitting in 6th, and within 2 games of 5, with a roster of gallinari, felton, mozgov and fields, tell me how that's better than what MEM had?

Missing56&33
04-04-2011, 12:01 PM
Gasol is soft.....hey how lucky can you get to have a player named Kobe Bryant on your team. Gasol has gotten better with his post up game and shooting around the basket.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 12:03 PM
still somebody, explain to me how gasol, williams, battier, bonzi, eddie jones etc. isnt better than amare, gallo, felton, mozgov and fields? please! somebody?

bigsams50
04-04-2011, 12:03 PM
Thanks, so that is 2-0 in for Gasol. See, even you can see that you can be a better rebounder if you try, now go look up the defensive ratings and show me how gasol got better.

For career Gasol is 104 Amare is 106 :shrug:

LakeShowRaider
04-04-2011, 12:04 PM
Neither player is soft! They both play to their strengths!

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 12:04 PM
jus tired of the BS..............don't throw youtube videos at me, gimme some mutha lovin validity to back up your argument

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html

There you go. Check the rebounding, defensive rating and offensive rating and gasol kills in all 3.

Sandman
04-04-2011, 12:05 PM
lol looks like Andrew Bynum has to stick up for Pau in the post and on twitter as well.

PLAYERS FAN
04-04-2011, 12:05 PM
I don't see how Amare is consider soft? Charles Barkley claims he never play defense, does that consider him soft?

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 12:05 PM
Neither player is soft! They both play to their strengths!

even before amare came to NYK, I never heard anybody say he was soft, I live in TN, and the consensus has always been since pau was in MEM, that he is very, very soft, and the best FLOPPER in the NBA, Amare catching heat cuz of his big contract, and how he's proved all the fans/media haters wrong

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 12:06 PM
For career Gasol is 104 Amare is 106 :shrug:

Thank you again, Gasol wins again. We are talking here and now, this year. Gasol kills him there and on offensive rating.

RaiderLakersA's
04-04-2011, 12:06 PM
Just cuz Gasol's a Champion doesn't mean he has no flaws in his game. Cuz in reality he does... and Gasol is soft. And Amare having 0 rings makes it irrelevant.

And I think what Bynum is saying is that Amar'e having 0 rings (and no defensive skills) pretty much makes HIM irrelevant. :D

Tarheels23
04-04-2011, 12:07 PM
well....

Yes, amare plays no D

and Yes, gasol is very soft...



But gotta love Bynum sticking up for a teammate... Where was Kobe with the Black Swan reference?? lol

jbeezy
04-04-2011, 12:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnSwnnDRlzw

their are 2 sides to every story d-bags

:laugh2: that was when we had a young Bynum and player like Smush Parker.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 12:07 PM
I don't see how Amare is consider soft? Charles Barkley claims he never play defense, does that consider him soft?

EXACTLY! THANK U! they're is a big difference

THE_FLASH_21
04-04-2011, 12:08 PM
Just cuz Gasol's a Champion doesn't mean he has no flaws in his game. Cuz in reality he does... and Gasol is soft. And Amare having 0 rings makes it irrelevant.


HE SHOOTS HE SCORES!! EXACTLY!!!! Why is Bynum talking?? All he does is get hurt. Gasol is one of the best bigs in the league. But to say he isn't soft is damn homerism...

Gasol is the softest player in the NBA by far, Amare is right. Amare and Kobe would have had rings as well. Gasol has rings because of Kobe. So why is Bynum talking??

mikealike305
04-04-2011, 12:10 PM
even before amare came to NYK, I never heard anybody say he was soft, I live in TN, and the consensus has always been since pau was in MEM, that he is very, very soft, and the best FLOPPER in the NBA, Amare catching heat cuz of his big contract, and how he's proved all the fans/media haters wrong

im not to sure hes proved anyone wrong yet. his knicks arent doing to great. if he can make it out the 1st round then he will be proving ppl wrong. amare is putting up great numbers but all of the is irrelevent unless they can make noise in the post season.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 12:10 PM
HE SHOOTS HE SCORES!! EXACTLY!!!! Why is Bynum talking?? All he does is get hurt. Gasol is one of the best bigs in the league. But to say he isn't soft is damn homerism...

Gasol is the softest player in the NBA by far, Amare is right. Amare and Kobe would have had rings as well. Gasol has rings because of Kobe. So why is Bynum talking??

finally, someone with some damn common sense......thanku

Hellcrooner
04-04-2011, 12:10 PM
HE SHOOTS HE SCORES!! EXACTLY!!!! Why is Bynum talking?? All he does is get hurt. Gasol is one of the best bigs in the league. But to say he isn't soft is damn homerism...

Gasol is the softest player in the NBA by far, Amare is right. Amare and Kobe would have had rings as well. Gasol has rings because of Kobe. So why is Bynum talking??

oh yeah? what was kobes number of rings between shaqs departure and paus arrival?

THE_FLASH_21
04-04-2011, 12:10 PM
And I think what Bynum is saying is that Amar'e having 0 rings (and no defensive skills) pretty much makes HIM irrelevant. :D


Gasol plays with Kobe... So lets stop this rings thing!

John Walls Era
04-04-2011, 12:10 PM
Beside amare should target bosh Not Gasol very unlikely they meet in the playoffs

Last time he did Bosh killed him. Amare should really just let his game to the talking; hes sounding insecure

KOBE24
04-04-2011, 12:11 PM
lol looks like Andrew Bynum has to stick up for Pau in the post and on twitter as well.

whats wrong with that? i would rather have a teammate stick up for me then throw me under the bus.... :facepalm:

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 12:14 PM
im not to sure hes proved anyone wrong yet. his knicks arent doing to great. if he can make it out the 1st round then he will be proving ppl wrong. amare is putting up great numbers but all of the is irrelevent unless they can make noise in the post season.

he just got a knicks franchise to their first play-off series in over a decade, you don't think that's doing something? and yes, he's proved allot of people wrong, saying he can't play without nash, and that his knees can't hold up..........do any of you people actually watch NBA basketball?

bigsams50
04-04-2011, 12:17 PM
Thank you again, Gasol wins again. We are talking here and now, this year. Gasol kills him there and on offensive rating.

Amare plays in a system that doesnt praise rebounding or defense. Gasol however does. Look at the jump in gasols rebounding and D ever since he got to LA. Give Amare a better coach than freakin D'Antoni (gasol has the great phil jackson) and you'll see his rebounding and D go up.

RaiderLakersA's
04-04-2011, 12:17 PM
Gasol plays with Kobe... So lets stop this rings thing!

Don't act like Amar'e was never surrounded by great players, including a 2-time MVP, and on very deeply talented teams. Amar'e has no excuse. If he's right to call out Pau's deficiencies, Bynum is right to point out Amar'e's. That's all I'm saying.

knickerbockerny
04-04-2011, 12:18 PM
Last time he did Bosh killed him. Amare should really just let his game to the talking; hes sounding insecure

Who won that game?

I wish the playoffs began today or for the seeding to hold up so the Knicks can destroy the Heat.

Can't wait (Bart Scott voice)!!!

Dnovakovic099
04-04-2011, 12:19 PM
amare before the trade has us sitting in 6th, and within 2 games of 5, with a roster of gallinari, felton, mozgov and fields, tell me how that's better than what MEM had?

I would take Pau over Amare any day on my team and so would almost everyone. You are being a dumb homer. Also, I noticed from your posts that you have very little logic and spell very bad. Why would anyone take you seriously?

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 12:20 PM
lol looks like Andrew Bynum has to stick up for Pau in the post and on twitter as well.

:laugh:

KOBE24
04-04-2011, 12:20 PM
he just got a knicks franchise to their first play-off series in over a decade, you don't think that's doing something? and yes, he's proved allot of people wrong, saying he can't play without nash, and that his knees can't hold up..........do any of you people actually watch NBA basketball?

must be nice to be playing in the east..... knicks would be six games out if they were in the western conference... amare should thank the itty bittty east for allowing a .500 record to be in the playoffs

bigsams50
04-04-2011, 12:21 PM
Don't act like Amar'e was never surrounded by great players, including a 2-time MVP, and on very deeply talented teams. Amar'e has no excuse. If he's right to call out Pau's deficiencies, Bynum is right to point out Amar'e's. That's all I'm saying.

Those Suns teams were good, but they never played D. D is what you need to win in the playoffs. Which is why i don't like D'Antoni as a coach. He'll never win a championship with his coaching style

And Amar'e had no right to call out Gasol. Gasol's been balling it up the last few years

mikealike305
04-04-2011, 12:21 PM
he just got a knicks franchise to their first play-off series in over a decade, you don't think that's doing something? and yes, he's proved allot of people wrong, saying he can't play without nash, and that his knees can't hold up..........do any of you people actually watch NBA basketball?

no i dont watch basketball i just like to go on NBA forums and talk crap.....


yes, making the knicks relevent again is something, but at the same time, not really. the game isnt played to be relevent, it is played to be the best and win a ring. moral victories mean nothing. so he took the knicks to the playoffs. great. if he doesnt make it out of the 1st round (which i dont see happening) it means crap

Swashcuff
04-04-2011, 12:22 PM
Best both way PF in the NBA is soft? If he wasn't soft he'd be an all time great. Oh well.

Swashcuff
04-04-2011, 12:24 PM
Amar'e needs to STFU and learn to defender someone before he starts calling anyone soft. He got decimated by TYLER HANSBOROUGH..... TWICE!!!

Good to see Bynum stand up for his teammate.

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 12:25 PM
Best both way PF in the NBA is soft? If he wasn't soft he'd be an all time great. Oh well.

seriously? you ever heard of duncan? KG? love?

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 12:26 PM
Maybe Bynum needs to teach Gasol how to tweet so that he could respond.

basketfan4life
04-04-2011, 12:27 PM
amare is not soft, being a bad defender and being soft are completely different things...
but if i had a choice, i'd want pau on my team, considering non of them being alfa dogs.İf i'm taking them as alfa dogs,i'd want amare...

as for fasol,if he is ready for the game before the game,not soft...but if he sees unexpected toughness from any player,soft as hell.

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 12:28 PM
Gasol knows what Amare did to him in the post season last year.

So don't respect a response from him.

Swashcuff
04-04-2011, 12:28 PM
seriously? you ever heard of duncan? KG? love?

Pau is better on offense right now than BOTH KG and TD and is a better rebounder than them

Don't even begin to mention Love because he plays NO D.

John Walls Era
04-04-2011, 12:29 PM
and this coming from a john wall fan................I actually feel very sorry for you

You should feel a lot more sorry for urself. Look at ur sig.

Sandman
04-04-2011, 12:29 PM
whats wrong with that? i would rather have a teammate stick up for me then throw me under the bus.... :facepalm:
Because the whole point here was that Amare said Pau's softness on D gets a lot of help in the post from Odom and Bynum, and Bynum was the one to come to his rescue again. and who said Bynum had to throw him under the bus? or say anything at all?

oh yeah? what was kobes number of rings between shaqs departure and paus arrival?
Its not like they replaced Amare with Pau. They added Pau & Bynum and moved Lamar Odom to a spot start/sixth man type of role. They had Smush Parker, Vlad Radmanovic, Kwame Brown and Ronny Turiaf getting regular time.

I don't think its outlandish to say that if the Lakers picked up Amare instead of Pau they could have had that same success.

Sandman
04-04-2011, 12:32 PM
Best both way PF in the NBA is soft? If he wasn't soft he'd be an all time great. Oh well.

Woah woah woah.... how is Gasol a two way PF?

ballinbalkman32
04-04-2011, 12:32 PM
You should feel a lot more sorry for urself. Look at ur sig.

hmm, one team in the playoffs, and my other team was 1/2 game out last yr. step yo game up *****

did you like how lil jimmy wall got all pissed he was gettin man handled by big Z, so he had to throw a lil temper tantrum

mttwlsn16
04-04-2011, 12:33 PM
bynum should know a thing or 2 about being soft, seeing how he spent half his career so far on the bench injured.

John Walls Era
04-04-2011, 12:35 PM
.

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 12:35 PM
Amare plays in a system that doesnt praise rebounding or defense. Gasol however does. Look at the jump in gasols rebounding and D ever since he got to LA. Give Amare a better coach than freakin D'Antoni (gasol has the great phil jackson) and you'll see his rebounding and D go up.

Thats false.

RedRicanoBx
04-04-2011, 12:36 PM
I hate that ring argument, Pau is soft...period.

Adam Morrison has rings too, does that mean you can't criticize him?

Well said bro I hate when people bring that ring in to a conversation....

Lebron is better than everybody on that team does he have a ring ??/

and gasol is a *****!!! always floping smh hes ''Varejo 2.0''

BrooklynBandito
04-04-2011, 12:36 PM
so let see.

Pau led a team with jaosn williams, battier, stromile swift and lorenzen wright to 50 wins and a stacked west while stou is barely .500 in a team with melo in a much worse eastern division?

Rebounding? Pau

iq? Pau

court vision ? Pau

passing? Pau

defense? Pau.....

Offense? Lets see who had a pass first two time mvp playing on dantonis offense then more dantonis offense?

Who was first caged in a slow tempo team with hibbie and fratello and then has a high volume shooter bryant as teamate?

Stou is better than pau at nothing at all

amen

mttwlsn16
04-04-2011, 12:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4tHLMpDq0Q

stat owns fakers

cambovenzi
04-04-2011, 12:37 PM
Go back to your 2nd rate ghetto in Tennessee gangster boi.
The Knicks are .500 for the first time in a long while and you think they are good or something?

Amare is one of the last people who should be calling anyone soft. He gets abused on defense almost nightly and is a poor rebounder as well.

John Walls Era
04-04-2011, 12:37 PM
bynum should know a thing or 2 about being soft, seeing how he spent half his career so far on the bench injured.

Being injured is different. It would be unfair for me to call Griffin soft bases on him missing half his career

Swashcuff
04-04-2011, 12:38 PM
Woah woah woah.... how is Gasol a two way PF?

Name me 10 better defensive PFs than Pau Gasol. Now name me 5 better offensive. See if any of those players are in both categories. He is one of the best defensive PFs in the game.

There is NO PF better on both sides of the ball in today's NBA.

gauth25
04-04-2011, 12:38 PM
bynum should know a thing or 2 about being soft, seeing how he spent half his career so far on the bench injured.

He can't control freak injuries pal. Funny how when he does play, people stay out of the lanes or face the consequences. Aka Beasley

Swashcuff
04-04-2011, 12:40 PM
bynum should know a thing or 2 about being soft, seeing how he spent half his career so far on the bench injured.

So has Blake Griffin. So what's you point?

RedRicanoBx
04-04-2011, 12:41 PM
bynum should know a thing or 2 about being soft, seeing how he spent half his career so far on the bench injured.

NUFF SAID !!! Im off this now lol

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 12:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4tHLMpDq0Q

stat owns fakers

:laugh:

Aww mann, I'm going to post the 42 point game he had against Gasol and Bynum last postseason.

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 12:44 PM
what a productive thread

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 12:46 PM
what a productive thread

It's up there with:


Is The "Kardashian Effect" Causing Humphries' Breakout Season?

lol....

Chicagofaithful
04-04-2011, 12:49 PM
just cuz gasol's a champion doesn't mean he has no flaws in his game. Cuz in reality he does... And gasol is soft. And amare having 0 rings makes it irrelevant.

+1

Lake_Show2416
04-04-2011, 12:52 PM
Bynum speaks the truth

how is anyone gonna call someone out that's better then them in all aspects of the game, Amares a clown, all talk cuz he has nothing else

mudvayne387
04-04-2011, 01:04 PM
Pau is soft ...
Amare plays no D
Bynum can't stay healthy


Now lets shut the hell up and get ready for the playoffs boys ...

Crackadalic
04-04-2011, 01:07 PM
Hmm can't really defend Amare. Bynum is right. Amare is soft. Pau is soft also. Lets not act like he wasnt before he came to LA though. It didnt take till his 2nd season to even get rid of his soft label.

I don't understand how carrying your respected teams has anything to do with being soft. Amare carried a 500 knicks team. Gasol carried a 50 plus Grizz team. If you wanna say Gasol was a better player then fine but lets not use that as a excuse on who's soft.

Comparing defensive ratings Pau is slightly better but not a whole lot

MrfadeawayJB
04-04-2011, 01:09 PM
Bynum needs to worry about not getting hurt

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 01:12 PM
Bynum needs to worry about not getting hurt

again ,like live up to your contract. smh

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 01:16 PM
again ,like live up to your contract. smh

You do know that the life line on Amare's repaired knees is about to expire and that was one of the reasons the Heat wanted Bosh and the bulls went Boozer. Pat Riley had Amare do an MRI. After microfracture, you need more work done 5 or so years after. Good luck.

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 01:26 PM
You do know that the life line on Amare's repaired knees is about to expire and that was one of the reasons the Heat wanted Bosh and the bulls went Boozer. Pat Riley had Amare do an MRI. After microfracture, you need more work done 5 or so years after. Good luck.

you are typically right, but Kidd did fine.

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 01:34 PM
Gasol IS NOT soft for a power forward. For some reason people seem to think he is. Maybe it's because he's a white European player?

He rebounds well, he plays D, and he has a good post up game. What more do you want?

If Pau's soft then so is just about every other power forward in the NBA.

Gibby23
04-04-2011, 01:35 PM
you are typically right, but Kidd did fine.

that is true, but I think Kidd puts less strain on his knees than Amare. Amare does alot of running and jumping in the system that he is in and has been in that system before and after his microfracture.

Geargo Wallace
04-04-2011, 01:35 PM
I'm not saying Pau is soft or not soft but Amare was right when he said that he has Lamar and Drew helping him. The Lakers' frontline wouldn't be too intimidating or hard with just Pau there. Amare wouldn't seem so soft if he played with those guys too.

BallIsAll
04-04-2011, 01:41 PM
these guys like amare are gonna make ny a laughing stalk when they keep getting kicked out in the first round talking **** lol

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 01:48 PM
Gasol IS NOT soft for a power forward. For some reason people seem to think he is. Maybe it's because he's a white European player?

He rebounds well, he plays D, and he has a good post up game. What more do you want?

If Pau's soft then so is just about every other power forward in the NBA.

its the 2008 Finals that gives people their impression of Gasol being soft, because he was during that series. But people forget the next two playoffs...

Pau isn't soft. Is he the most physical, intense guy out there? No. But he is far from soft. Amare isn't soft. Could he play far better defense? Yes. But he is also far from soft.

I really don't get why this is such a big deal. Players trash talk. :shrug:

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 01:48 PM
I'm not saying Pau is soft or not soft but Amare was right when he said that he has Lamar and Drew helping him. The Lakers' frontline wouldn't be too intimidating or hard with just Pau there. Amare wouldn't seem so soft if he played with those guys too.

Amare would probably be pulling in like 5-6 boards a game if he was playing with those guys.

Having help doesn't make you soft. Playing ****** defense and not rebounding does.

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 01:50 PM
by the way, their career rebounding numbers mirror each other, so not really sure why the argument there.

akagiredsuns
04-04-2011, 01:50 PM
Just cuz Gasol's a Champion doesn't mean he has no flaws in his game. Cuz in reality he does... and Gasol is soft. And Amare having 0 rings makes it irrelevant.

Talk about an Amar'e homer. Gasol was a big part of the Lakers run when he was traded over. Any player with 0 rings has no right to talk about anyone who does. Maybe Gasol has softened, but he was a big difference on that team. Amar'e had a squad in PHX with Nash for how many years? And how many Finals did they win let alone go to? Sorry, but it's very relevant not having a ring when you played on a solid team. Stop making lame excuses for your Knicks. What are they 9-13 since Melo came and lost to the Cavs twice with Melo? :laugh2: Stop while you're behind bro. Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself :facepalm:

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 01:51 PM
http://twitter.com/andrewbynum


He should have asked Amare if he remembered this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kBEzRyODQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5WlJDvv5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ4AfJf7ps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gevE3WF_37M&feature=fvsr

lmao at those highlights... the only one that is actually a dunk on amare is andre bynum.... and thats just a mismatch of a center on a pf getting the ball right under the basket.... youtube makes everyone look good.... im sure i can find a highlight reel that makes moochie norris look like the greatest player in nba hisorty.... all those games amare played against the lakers and you managed to find three times someone on the lakers dunked near him lmao.... let me throw up a youtube highlight of anthony randolph or samuel dalembert blocking kone and then talk about how tough they are...... what a joke

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 01:52 PM
PS.... kobe, gasols teamate!!! said earlier this year that gasol needs to get meaner.... his own teamate, the bet player in basketball.... called him soft

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 01:53 PM
PS.... kobe, gasols teamate!!! said earlier this year that gasol needs to get meaner.... his own teamate, the bet player in basketball.... called him soft

Kobe has talked crap about everyone he has played with. Most times as a motivating tool. He even talks crap about himself.

Sadds The Gr8
04-04-2011, 01:56 PM
Pau winning 2 championships doesn't make him not soft. Just like Kobe winning 5 doesn't not make him a ballhog.

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 01:57 PM
these guys like amare are gonna make ny a laughing stalk when they keep getting kicked out in the first round talking **** lol

OO please!

We got Stat and Melo to build around If anything we are going to improve.And be a scary team.

Worry about your team making the playoffs after this season ,because half those guys is on they way out buddy. So enjoy your self now.

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 01:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnSwnnDRlzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmTHqFwUmzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brmBJ_ldFUc&NR=1 this one really shows gasols toughness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBmX_bg4YM&NR=1

should i keep going.... what a joke..

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 02:00 PM
bottom line is pau is a great player... but he is soft..... why does bynum have to defend him, hes too soft to defend himself?

heres another.... check out gasols toughness on the first highligt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4tHLMpDq0Q

KnickFanSince91
04-04-2011, 02:02 PM
Lol Amar'e dominated Gasol in the postseason last year.

I Like what Bynum had to say,my problem is why Gasol didn't respond and stick up for himself?? Smh


because he's soft? :laugh:

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 02:02 PM
another... gasols masterful toughness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SIYOymVRLM&feature=related

BallIsAll
04-04-2011, 02:07 PM
OO please!

We got Stat and Melo to build around If anything we are going to improve.And be a scary team.

Worry about your team making the playoffs after this season ,because half those guys is on they way out buddy. So enjoy your self now.

lol your roster wont win you a championship we had ai and melo :clap:

btw you guys wanted melo now your going to have the melo affect. out in the 1st round every year!:facepalm:

enjoy your stars:D

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 02:10 PM
lol your roster wont win you a championship we had ai and melo :clap:

btw you guys wanted melo now your going to have the melo affect. out in the 1st round every year!:facepalm:

enjoy your stars:D

AI was on his way down ,before he even hit denver guy.

Thats why they traded him for Billups and look what happend ,they made it to the conference finals.

talk to me next season .and lets see what happends :)

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 02:10 PM
lol your roster wont win you a championship we had ai and melo :clap:

btw you guys wanted melo now your going to have the melo affect. out in the 1st round every year!:facepalm:

enjoy your stars:D

melo has been to the western conference finals.....and ai was garbage when you had him and hes about as helpfulto a team as stephon marburry

mttwlsn16
04-04-2011, 02:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnSwnnDRlzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmTHqFwUmzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brmBJ_ldFUc&NR=1 this one really shows gasols toughness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBmX_bg4YM&NR=1

should i keep going.... what a joke..

:laugh: that was hilarious. i LOL'd real good there hahaha. and the announcer "Gasol fell down"
:clap:

Mudvayne91
04-04-2011, 02:13 PM
OO please!

We got Stat and Melo to build around If anything we are going to improve.And be a scary team.

Worry about your team making the playoffs after this season ,because half those guys is on they way out buddy. So enjoy your self now.

Can you provide a link backing this up or are you just basing this on uninformed people on this site?

Chandler is a RFA this year. Kenyon and JR Smith are the only UFAs this year, which I'd surprised if both left, maybe JR though. Oh, and Nene has a 11.6 player option. I'm not too concerned about missing the playoffs at all, unless there's a lockout of course.

BallIsAll
04-04-2011, 02:14 PM
AI was on his way down ,before he even hit denver guy.

Thats why they traded him for Billups and look what happend ,they made it to the conference finals.

talk to me next season .and lets see what happends :)

ok we will see :)


melo has been to the western conference finals.....and ai was garbage when you had him and hes about as helpfulto a team as stephon marburry

ai averaged 26 ppg more than melos 25 ppg? it might just be because melo doesnt have the mindset to win and billups took us to the wcf not melo :eyebrow:

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 02:18 PM
by the way, their career rebounding numbers mirror each other, so not really sure why the argument there.

They don't mirror each other in recent years. Pau is good for about 2 more rebounds per game over the past 3 seasons. He also has much more competition around the basket. Like I said earlier, I'd love to see Amare's average when fighting Bynum or Odom for boards.

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 02:19 PM
Can you provide a link backing this up or are you just basing this on uninformed people on this site?

Chandler is a RFA this year. Kenyon and JR Smith are the only UFAs this year, which I'd surprised if both left, maybe JR though. Oh, and Nene has a 11.6 player option. I'm not too concerned about missing the playoffs at all, unless there's a lockout of course.

They cant keep all those guys, before we dealt chandler to denver his asking price was 10mill a season. Raymond felton wants a trade after the season. Nene requires a huge contract. JR smith is going to get a whole lot of offers so they going to let him walk. whould they resign kenyon??

GoatMilk
04-04-2011, 02:20 PM
the only reason amare doesnt get called soft is because he is black with tattoos
same with LaMarcus Aldridge

Shkelqim
04-04-2011, 02:21 PM
hahaha This is ridiculous, Amare thinks he can just talk all of a sudden.

Amare has no rings, the Knicks record is at 38-38. I can't stand people like him.

All of a sudden he thinks he's great. Pau Gasol, goes out there plays with passion every night and more importantly him and the lakers have gone to the finals 3 years in a row.

Amare should think about winning ball games than criticizing others.


New York has been created as a the city of failures. All the history at the Garden, is being washed away by bringing in selfish players like him and Melo.

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 02:23 PM
They don't mirror each other in recent years. Pau is good for about 2 more rebounds per game over the past 3 seasons. He also has much more competition around the basket. Like I said earlier, I'd love to see Amare's average when fighting Bynum or Odom for boards.

they have both had prominent roles with their respective teams for their whole careers, so there is no need to pull a two year sample size when we have a much greater one.

Who was Pau fighting rebounds for in Memphis, when his rebounding was below average?

Point is, neither are great rebounders, and over their careers, they mirror each other, so attempting to use a rebounding advantage currently is basically picking the flavor of the month.

king4day
04-04-2011, 02:24 PM
http://twitter.com/andrewbynum


He should have asked Amare if he remembered this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kBEzRyODQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5WlJDvv5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ4AfJf7ps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gevE3WF_37M&feature=fvsr

The links don't help the cause since he didn't call Bynum or Odom soft and the Gasol dunk wasn't even on him.

That said, Amar'e should have kept his mouth shut. I never heard of a player talk trash about a player on one of the best teams in the league while his team is suffering so greatly.

shep33
04-04-2011, 02:24 PM
I'm a Knick fan, but anyone defending Amare with this is just being a damn homer. Before Amare calls anyone soft, he needs to check his game and at least get his rebounding up. His man defense could also use a makeover. He is strong and athletic enough to do it, I don't get why he can't. And yes Pau is soft but Amare isn't the guy who should point this out.

However, I agree posting videos of Amare getting dunked on is just plain stupid. Everyone gets dunked on, except Lebron who has his Nike people confiscate videos of these sort of things when they happen.

Probably the best answer here.

Guy's even in the Laker forum we talk about how Pau is soft. Yeah, he gets pushed around and beat up a little bit, but he also does what we need him to do. Very efficient offensive player and since joining LA, over the past 3 years he has averaged 10+ rebounds a game over that combined span.

I love Amare's game, but I kinda wished he would directed this towards someone he'll probably play out east to get the juices going. Both are great players, Amare is a better pure scorer, but Gasol does a lot of things just as well or better than Amare too.

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 02:25 PM
there is a lot of baiting going on in here. Clean it up or the thread gets closed please.

BallIsAll
04-04-2011, 02:26 PM
They cant keep all those guys, before we dealt chandler to denver his asking price was 10mill a season. Raymond felton wants a trade after the season. Nene requires a huge contract. JR smith is going to get a whole lot of offers so they going to let him walk. whould they resign kenyon??


chandler - rfa we can match anything and i doubt anyone would give him 10 mil for us to match anyways.
smith - i have already posted proof he wants to resign with denver
nene - said he wants to retire a nugget and hes not even a free agent he has a player option
kmart - no one will give him that much money so we're safe and if he wants he can leave


who the **** said felton wants a trade after this season?? and we have 2 starting pgs so i dont even care? in the end we'll still be better than the knicks. how about you post stats showing me how these "stars" are helping you win? i can post a lot of things that show denver is a TOP team in the nba without clear cut stars? get over your stars and pay attention to that win - lose column.

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 02:29 PM
ok we will see :)



ai averaged 26 ppg more than melos 25 ppg? It might just be because melo doesnt have the mindset to win and billups took us to the wcf not melo :eyebrow:

sounds like a bitter fan to me.....

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 02:29 PM
And by the way... We have billups too

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 02:31 PM
Chandler - rfa we can match anything and i doubt anyone would give him 10 mil for us to match anyways.
Smith - i have already posted proof he wants to resign with denver
nene - said he wants to retire a nugget and hes not even a free agent he has a player option
kmart - no one will give him that much money so we're safe and if he wants he can leave


who the **** said felton wants a trade after this season?? And we have 2 starting pgs so i dont even care? In the end we'll still be better than the knicks. How about you post stats showing me how these "stars" are helping you win? I can post a lot of things that show denver is a top team in the nba without clear cut stars? Get over your stars and pay attention to that win - lose column.

knicks biggest mistake was trying to get chauncey... We would be in better position now with felton... But then again chauncey is fa in a yer when cp3 is a fa and maybe the knicks just know how thats gonna go down.....

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 02:31 PM
your the biggest joke of an nba fan if this is your arguement against the nuggets.


chandler - rfa we can match anything and i doubt anyone would give him 10 mil for us to match anyways.
smith - i have already posted proof he wants to resign with denver
nene - said he wants to retire a nugget and hes not even a free agent he has a player option
kmart - no one will give him that much money so we're safe and if he wants he can leave


who the **** said felton wants a trade after this season?? and we have 2 starting pgs so i dont even care? in the end we'll still be better than the knicks. how about you post stats showing me how these "stars" are helping you win? i can post a lot of things that show denver is a TOP team in the nba without clear cut stars? get over your stars and pay attention to that win - lose column.

:facepalm: wow

http://balljunkie.com/2011/03/23/raymond-felton-doesnt-enjoy-coming-off-the-bench-in-denver/

Im going to save this for the summer and sig this! :laugh:

BallIsAll
04-04-2011, 02:32 PM
sounds like a bitter fan to me.....


And by the way... We have billups too

not bitter honestly im a basketball player/fan and i enjoy watching and playing defense. something i didnt see much of with melo.we are a better more exciting team and the only reason i am arguing this is because you knicks fans label your team better because you have 2 stars and now that we've seen what your stars can do together you guys say our team wont be intact for long:facepalm: next season when our team is intact and still better what will be your excuse?

BallIsAll
04-04-2011, 02:35 PM
knicks biggest mistake was trying to get chauncey... We would be in better position now with felton... But then again chauncey is fa in a yer when cp3 is a fa and maybe the knicks just know how thats gonna go down.....

yeah, because the knicks can get whomever they want.


:facepalm: wow

http://balljunkie.com/2011/03/23/raymond-felton-doesnt-enjoy-coming-off-the-bench-in-denver/

Im going to save this for the summer and sig this!

so you answer only one thing?

you know what the best part of having a deep team is? that one guy wont cost us too many games, and im sure we can get a good draft pick or another capable player in return for him :D

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 02:36 PM
not bitter honestly im a basketball player/fan and i enjoy watching and playing defense. something i didnt see much of with melo.we are a better more exciting team and the only reason i am arguing this is because you knicks fans label your team better because you have 2 stars and now that we've seen what your stars can do together you guys say our team wont be intact for long:facepalm: next season when our team is intact and still better what will be your excuse?

why are you even responding to those posts dude? The Nuggest took in the best haul possible. The Nuggets are 10 deep, with a brighter future than they had a year ago easily.

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 02:38 PM
they have both had prominent roles with their respective teams for their whole careers, so there is no need to pull a two year sample size when we have a much greater one.

Who was Pau fighting rebounds for in Memphis, when his rebounding was below average?

Point is, neither are great rebounders, and over their careers, they mirror each other, so attempting to use a rebounding advantage currently is basically picking the flavor of the month.


Improvement. Three years is a large sample size and hardly a flavor of the month. In fact, current play is a whole lot more relevant than some averages either player had 6 seasons ago.

Didn't you point out that his play has changed since 2008?

Revolu7i9n
04-04-2011, 02:42 PM
amare has no right to call anybody soft...

TO to the CHI
04-04-2011, 02:44 PM
they have both had prominent roles with their respective teams for their whole careers, so there is no need to pull a two year sample size when we have a much greater one.

Who was Pau fighting rebounds for in Memphis, when his rebounding was below average?

Point is, neither are great rebounders, and over their careers, they mirror each other, so attempting to use a rebounding advantage currently is basically picking the flavor of the month.

Pau has become a very solid rebounder though. And has outrebounded Amare by 2 rebounds a game each of the past three years. That doesn't seem like nitpicking to me and I can't stand the Lakers.

I don't think either player is soft, but if the discussion gets to rebounding and defense, I do think that Pau has a distinct advantage.

Jenceman
04-04-2011, 02:45 PM
Amare should worry about helping his team earn a better than .500 record. That's just gross looking in the weak East.

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 02:45 PM
Improvement. Three years is a large sample size and hardly a flavor of the month. In fact, current play is a whole lot more relevant than some averages either player had 6 seasons ago.

Didn't you point out that his play has changed since 2008?

again, the point is, neither have dominated in rebounding at any point of their careers, so its fair to use a longer sample size imo. is Pau a better rebounder currently? Yes. And Amare was a better rebounder a few years ago.

And I was speaking of his toughness. Gasol got pushed around like a girl in the 2008 series against the Celtics. He was totally different a year later.

TO to the CHI
04-04-2011, 02:45 PM
why are you even responding to those posts dude? The Nuggest took in the best haul possible. The Nuggets are 10 deep, with a brighter future than they had a year ago easily.

The Nuggets got a good package, but I think they would have been better off long-term with the Nets deal. That said, they unequivocally did well and Knicks fans have no basis for talking smack to Nuggets fans right now.

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 02:47 PM
Pau has become a very solid rebounder though. And has outrebounded Amare by 2 rebounds a game each of the past three years. That doesn't seem like nitpicking to me and I can't stand the Lakers.

I don't think either player is soft, but if the discussion gets to rebounding and defense, I do think that Pau has a distinct advantage.

Amare was a much better rebounder 5 years ago. So?

Like I said, their career rebounding numbers are literally the same, percentage wise. Neither does anything special in that department

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 02:48 PM
The Nuggets got a good package, but I think they would have been better off long-term with the Nets deal. That said, they unequivocally did well and Knicks fans have no basis for talking smack to Nuggets fans right now.

thats the bottom line I was getting at. Hollinger just did a rating of all teams players 4-12 (ie, the role players), and Denver was the most stacked team after their top 3 players were taken off the statistical board. Their depth is insane.

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 02:53 PM
The Nuggets got a good package, but I think they would have been better off long-term with the Nets deal. That said, they unequivocally did well and Knicks fans have no basis for talking smack to Nuggets fans right now.

No knick fan started talking smack , until this guy came in here talking about us.

worry about the nuggets, we aiant worrying about them.

this was not a nugget knick thread to begin with !

so how you think we started talking about Denver , you do the Math.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-04-2011, 02:55 PM
I missed the party:sad2:

BallIsAll
04-04-2011, 02:58 PM
No knick fan started talking smack , until this guy came in here talking about us.

worry about the nuggets, we aiant worrying about them.

this was not a nugget knick thread to begin with !

so how you think we started talking about Denver , you do the Math.

i only said that amare is gonna make the knicks a laughing stock talking **** and getting kicked out the first round and you hopped on the nuggets. short term memory loss?

shizzle09
04-04-2011, 02:58 PM
Amare is 100% right! Every Laker fan i know has complained about how soft Gasol is. Doesnt mean he's not a key piece to winning back to back titles. Amare calling anyone soft when he himself is pretty soft is hilarious though.

Atownballa5
04-04-2011, 02:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnSwnnDRlzw

their are 2 sides to every story d-bags

wide open dunk?

Mudvayne91
04-04-2011, 03:00 PM
They cant keep all those guys, before we dealt chandler to denver his asking price was 10mill a season. Raymond felton wants a trade after the season. Nene requires a huge contract. JR smith is going to get a whole lot of offers so they going to let him walk. whould they resign kenyon??

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

I think one thing to keep in mind is the CBA. Everyone is going to be taking pay cuts. How much of a cut is still unknown.

However, next year, without JR/Kmart (and 2 role players) the Nuggets are looking 40 million for the cap if you include Nene's player option of 11.6, which I'd be a little surprised he didn't take considering the uncertainty of the CBA coming up. I don't see why it'll be impossible for us to resign Chandler or match an offers when the Nuggets are probably looking like one of the lower salaries in the league. Chandler and Afflalo will be the two main priorities to sign.

Felton certainly has made it known earlier that he wants to be the starter or be traded. I'm not sure he's still standing pat on that though. He gets 30 minutes a game still, like Lawson. If he does demand for a trade though, that'll be 7.5 million of our cap and it's not like the Nuggets are losing him for free. We will get something of fair value.

As far as Kmart goes, it'll be interesting to see what kind of money he can get in the offseason. He's still a effective player imo and Karl thought of enough of him to make him the team captain after Chauncey and Melo were traded. He's spent quite a bit of his life in Denver and has mentioned he wanted an extension (before the season started) so I think he'd definitely consider staying, unless we completely lowball him. That's just speculation on my part though.

And I'm not trying to start **** for the record, I actually enjoy hearing from a lot of Knicks fans on here. We kinda got this Nugs/Knicks coalition going.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-04-2011, 03:01 PM
bynum should know a thing or 2 about being soft, seeing how he spent half his career so far on the bench injured.

lol I didn't know being injured is considered soft nowadays

CLeanUpman
04-04-2011, 03:04 PM
I'm a knicks fan at the end of the day paul is soft amare does play no defense and sucks at rebounding and bynum can't stay healthy and was called soft by his own team mate once upon a time. All of them need to stfu.

Tony_Starks
04-04-2011, 03:04 PM
Isn't this the same Amare that averaged a whopping 4 rebounds against Gasol in the West finals last year? Lol at this guy! He's not on Gasols level, as a matter of fact I'd rather have Bynum over Amare .....

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-04-2011, 03:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnSwnnDRlzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmTHqFwUmzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brmBJ_ldFUc&NR=1 this one really shows gasols toughness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBmX_bg4YM&NR=1

should i keep going.... what a joke..

So you think bunch of videos prove your point?

Gasol is better defensive player than Amare and hell of a better player than Stat.

SACNYY
04-04-2011, 03:07 PM
Amare needs to just shut up

L@ker4Life
04-04-2011, 03:07 PM
are you serious right now? have you watched NBA basketball in the last decade?

Dude all your points are SUPER lame! I love fans who blindly defend their faveorite players and can't acknowledge any of their faults. YOUR comments about Pau show not only your bias, but also your lack of knowledge about basketball. To say that Amare is a far better player than Pau?!!?! That's a horrendous coment to make and makes you look ignorant. Posting video clips, really? I can go on youtube and get videos that make Pau look tuff and make Amare look clutch which neither of them are.

Obviously Pau is not a physical player. He can be when its absolutely necessary, but it's a rarity. I would bet money that if Pau was in NY instead of Amare NY would be a better team and you would be on here singing Pau's praises and dissing Amare.

Your bias makes you look ignorant and naive. You should probably stop posting. ...Just saying.

L@ker4Life
04-04-2011, 03:09 PM
I'm a knicks fan at the end of the day paul is soft amare does play no defense and sucks at rebounding and bynum can't stay healthy and was called soft by his own team mate once upon a time. All of them need to stfu.

This pretty much sums it up. Well done.

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 03:10 PM
again, the point is, neither have dominated in rebounding at any point of their careers, so its fair to use a longer sample size imo. is Pau a better rebounder currently? Yes. And Amare was a better rebounder a few years ago.

And I was speaking of his toughness. Gasol got pushed around like a girl in the 2008 series against the Celtics. He was totally different a year later.


No, the point is Pau is the better rebounder. I never said that Pau was dominant rebounder. I wasn't comparing him to Wilt. That's besides the point.

My argument was that Pau is a better rebounder than Amare. I think it's pretty clear.

The D'antoni system is also another factor in the equation. Fast paced play = more possessions which means more rebound opportunities. If you're going to take the stats seriously then you also need to take the variables seriously.


Pau has slightly better career average
Pau has averaged 2 more rpg over the past three seasons
Pau has more competition around the basket
Pau gets fewer rebound opportunities

I don't think I'm out of line saying that he's the better rebounder.


I think you're also contradicting yourself. You want to use career averages(instead of recent years) and then you admit that he's completely changed since the 2008 series.

E.O.21
04-04-2011, 03:13 PM
The 3 of them are soft... GTFO

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 03:14 PM
No, the point is Pau is the better rebounder. I never said that Pau was dominant rebounder. I wasn't comparing him to Wilt. That's besides the point.

My argument was that Pau is a better rebounder than Amare. I think it's pretty clear.

The D'antoni system is also another factor in the equation. Fast paced play = more possessions which means more rebound opportunities. If you're going to take the stats seriously then you also need to take the variables seriously.


Pau has slightly better career average
Pau has averaged 2 more rpg over the past three seasons
Pau has more competition around the basket
Pau gets fewer rebound opportunities

I don't think I'm out of line saying that he's the better rebounder.


than make sure every time you say that, or anyone for that matter, that you add, "The last two seasons". Because it doesn't hold water over their careers. But if all you are concerned with is the current, that is up to you.

Fact is, over their long career's, in prominent roles, they are basically dead on the same in rebounding efficiency. Amare was flat out better than Pau their first 6-7 seasons in the NBA. And Pau is probably better now. As I usually say, they are basically a wash for me personally.

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 03:16 PM
No, the point is Pau is the better rebounder. I never said that Pau was dominant rebounder. I wasn't comparing him to Wilt. That's besides the point.

My argument was that Pau is a better rebounder than Amare. I think it's pretty clear.

The D'antoni system is also another factor in the equation. Fast paced play = more possessions which means more rebound opportunities. If you're going to take the stats seriously then you also need to take the variables seriously.


Pau has slightly better career average
Pau has averaged 2 more rpg over the past three seasons
Pau has more competition around the basket
Pau gets fewer rebound opportunities

I don't think I'm out of line saying that he's the better rebounder.


I think you're also contradicting yourself. You want to use career averages(instead of recent years) and then you admit that he's completely changed since the 2008 series.

his toughness has changed. And of course Pau has improved. Amare was clearly better than him until Pau came to the Lakers. And now Pau is slightly better. I honestly consider them a wash career wise, and the separation isn't big enough now to really have a back and forth about the two.

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 03:17 PM
I'm a knicks fan at the end of the day paul is soft amare does play no defense and sucks at rebounding and bynum can't stay healthy and was called soft by his own team mate once upon a time. All of them need to stfu.

This.

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 03:18 PM
than make sure every time you say that, or anyone for that matter, that you add, "The last two seasons". Because it doesn't hold water over their careers. But if all you are concerned with is the current, that is up to you.

Fact is, over their long career's, in prominent roles, they are basically dead on the same in rebounding efficiency. Amare was flat out better than Pau their first 6-7 seasons in the NBA. And Pau is probably better now. As I usually say, they are basically a wash for me personally.

The comments relate to their play at present time. The fact that Gasol may have been soft in the past has no relevance to the present. Once again you said it yourself- Pau is a different player since 2008. Pau is the better rebounder right now.

Diesel44
04-04-2011, 03:19 PM
So a soft guy can't call another soft guy soft, is that the point?

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 03:19 PM
his toughness has changed. And of course Pau has improved. Amare was clearly better than him until Pau came to the Lakers. And now Pau is slightly better. I honestly consider them a wash career wise, and the separation isn't big enough now to really have a back and forth about the two.

I agree with that comment with regards to their overall play but when we're talking about rebounding and defense I wouldn't call it a wash. I'll agree to disagree.

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 03:19 PM
I enjoy watching the Nuggets play ,In Fact I have the OKC Denver game set to watch on my iPad ,Just some fans on here kills man. Smh.

Teufelshunde4
04-04-2011, 03:20 PM
There are housewives who are tougher then both Pau and Amare...

pd1dish
04-04-2011, 03:22 PM
pau is soft but amare has really nothing to say because bynum is right, you cant talk about toughness if you dont play defense. a lot of guys that are labeled as tough are in the league because of their defense. and amare is no tough guy.

CLeanUpman
04-04-2011, 03:26 PM
At the end of the day all them suckers soft mostly paul like most of the euro guys. The nba game is tailored now for soft players thats why its so touchy everything is a foul. Most of them suckers couldn't survive in the nba in the 80's and 90's when dudes was banging out.

Tony_Starks
04-04-2011, 03:29 PM
Amare is really showing he's just young and immature. First off he was talking about how "tired" he was last week. Dude everybody plays the same amount of games, man up! Then even speaking on Gasol? Until he puts up 10 boards a night he shouldn't even be allowed to say his name. Be glad your in the damn playoffs already and have a coke and a smile......

allSUAVE
04-04-2011, 03:32 PM
The only players that can call another player soft is probably KG and Ron Artest.

Even though KG use to cry everytime he loses,in is Minnesota days.Lol

Geargo Wallace
04-04-2011, 03:33 PM
The comments relate to their play at present time. The fact that Gasol may have been soft in the past has no relevance to the present. Once again you said it yourself- Pau is a different player since 2008. Pau is the better rebounder right now.

I still find it kind of magical to say Pau just all of a sudden became unsoft. You think maybe some of this is an illusion? Maybe playing beside a healthy AB and LO kind of hides that softness. I bet if you put current Pau into that 2008 series against the Celtics and he'd still have his fro mopped by KG, Perk, and company.

With that said, I wouldn't think anything less of him as a player. He's a tremendous player who is complimented well with the other bigs on that roster. I just don't think its fair to assume that Pau is all of a sudden "hard" now because of recent play.

Geargo Wallace
04-04-2011, 03:34 PM
The only players that can call another player soft is probably KG and Ron Artest.

Even though KG use to cry everytime he loses,in is Minnesota days.Lol

So that makes KG's game soft? Or is he just super-passionate and competitive?

BallIsAll
04-04-2011, 03:38 PM
So that makes KG's game soft? Or is he just super-passionate and competitive?

+1 players who walk off the court smiling after a loss wont get a ring. thats the only thing i like about lebron (competitiveness)

ManOnFire
04-04-2011, 03:40 PM
Just cuz Gasol's a Champion doesn't mean he has no flaws in his game. Cuz in reality he does... and Gasol is soft. And Amare having 0 rings makes it irrelevant.

Then again, soft or not...it doesnt matter, He produces results. Gasol is twice the player Amare will ever be.

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 03:43 PM
I still find it kind of magical to say Pau just all of a sudden became unsoft. You think maybe some of this is an illusion? Maybe playing beside a healthy AB and LO kind of hides that softness. I bet if you put current Pau into that 2008 series against the Celtics and he'd still have his fro mopped by KG, Perk, and company.

With that said, I wouldn't think anything less of him as a player. He's a tremendous player who is complimented well with the other bigs on that roster. I just don't think its fair to assume that Pau is all of a sudden "hard" now because of recent play.

Then why did he dominate KG in the most recent finals?

I brought this up in the other thread. I too thought Pau was soft until I watched him do that. If Pau's a soft player then so are a lot of other quality PF's, especially the one doing all the talking.

KG averaged fewer than 6 rebounds in the finals last season. Pau averaged 11.5 and outscored him. He certainly wasn't soft then.

metsfan99999
04-04-2011, 03:47 PM
While I don't really agree with Amare's comments about Gasol, maybe Bynum should try staying on the court before he talks trash against a six time all star

mttwlsn16
04-04-2011, 03:50 PM
there is a lot of baiting going on in here. Clean it up or the thread gets closed please.

let it run, every little bit of baiting doesnt need to be shut down

dont be soft like pau ;)

Geargo Wallace
04-04-2011, 03:50 PM
Then why did he dominate KG in the most recent finals?

I brought this up in the other thread. I too thought Pau was soft until I watched him do that. If Pau's a soft player then so are a lot of other quality PF's, especially the one doing all the talking.

Like I said before, having the presence of guys like AB and LO can hide some of his softness. Having another good big with you can relieve a lot of other pressures. The attention that someone like Bynum brings is huge. Not having Perk in the last game clearly hurt the C's in their softness department a bunch too but that's another story.

Yes Pau is pretty soft. He is not THE softest big in the game. Not even close. And yes there are lots of soft PF's in the game. The NBA is one big marshmallow nowadays.

mttwlsn16
04-04-2011, 03:53 PM
So that makes KG's game soft? Or is he just super-passionate and competitive?

this is what makes KG so tough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wsSvIj9jes&feature=related

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 03:55 PM
Like I said before, having the presence of guys like AB and LO can hide some of his softness. Having another good big with you can relieve a lot of other pressures. The attention that someone like Bynum brings is huge. Not having Perk in the last game clearly hurt the C's in their softness department a bunch too but that's another story.

Yes Pau is pretty soft. He is not THE softest big in the game. Not even close. And yes there are lots of soft PF's in the game. The NBA is one big marshmallow nowadays.

That may be true but it doesn't change the fact that Pau looked great all series guarding KG 1 on 1. Everyone including myself thought KG was going to post Pau up all series. He didn't. It's not like KG was completely helpless out there either. He had some big guys around him.

Geargo Wallace
04-04-2011, 03:56 PM
this is what makes KG so tough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wsSvIj9jes&feature=related

KG is dirty. But his game ain't soft.

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 03:57 PM
So you think bunch of videos prove your point?

Gasol is better defensive player than Amare and hell of a better player than Stat.

actually if you red bac that was exactly my point... i said youtube can make anyone look good...cause the guy who started this topic posted three videos of amare being near a laker who dunked.... believe me there is many more videos over amare blocking and dunking on laker then there is the oppisite....

so thank you for saying the same thing i said... read a little more next time..

and pau gasol is in no way shape or form better then amare.... any knowladgable basketball fan would tell you that.... amare is currently the leagues best PF.... he had legitimate mvp hopes before the trade....dirk amare aldrage duncan garnett all come before pau..... but he at least he is better then bosh

sfgs558
04-04-2011, 03:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYrFdtPYhMM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBmX_bg4YM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnSwnnDRlzw

Tony_Starks
04-04-2011, 03:59 PM
KG is a fake tough guy that picks his battles carefully. Notice he never ran up on KMart or Artest with his antics.....

Stat&Meloallday
04-04-2011, 04:03 PM
love amare but the man doesnt play D

nate2usmc
04-04-2011, 04:03 PM
Then again, soft or not...it doesnt matter, He produces results. Gasol is twice the player Amare will ever be.

I agree that Pau is better than Amare right now. But twice the player that Amare EVER will be?? I don't think so. Amare is foolish to call Pau soft cuz Amare is non existent on defense and everybody takes advantage of him and he doesn't really care.

When Amare starts to care about defense and rebounding, he will be better than Pau.

D-Leethal
04-04-2011, 04:04 PM
That may be true but it doesn't change the fact that Pau looked great all series guarding KG 1 on 1. Everyone including myself thought KG was going to post Pau up all series. He didn't. It's not like KG was completely helpless out there either. He had some big guys around him.

KG doesn't post up anyone, he is pretty much strictly a jump shooter at this point of his career

NotSoClutch
04-04-2011, 04:04 PM
According to bynum's theory, Steve Kerr would be tougher than soft *** only five rings Kobe.

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 04:04 PM
KG is a fake tough guy that picks his battles carefully. Notice he never ran up on KMart or Artest with his antics.....

yeah... only charlie villenueave... and he is so easily backed off by howard in that vid...

knickfan33
04-04-2011, 04:06 PM
I agree that Pau is better than Amare right now. But twice the player that Amare EVER will be?? I don't think so. Amare is foolish to call Pau soft cuz Amare is non existent on defense and everybody takes advantage of him and he doesn't really care.

When Amare starts to care about defense and rebounding, he will be better than Pau.

hes not even better now... amare has become the leagues top PF the last two years straight he dominates....pau gasol would be dominated by amare in a man to mna matchup

Tony_Starks
04-04-2011, 04:07 PM
I agree that Pau is better than Amare right now. But twice the player that Amare EVER will be?? I don't think so. Amare is foolish to call Pau soft cuz Amare is non existent on defense and everybody takes advantage of him and he doesn't really care.

When Amare starts to care about defense and rebounding, he will be better than Pau.


Too bad this will never happen. You don't wake up after years and years and suddenly decide to take the game seriously. He is what he is, a super athletic scoring big.

gauth25
04-04-2011, 04:09 PM
hes not even better now... amare has become the leagues top PF the last two years straight he dominates....pau gasol would be dominated by amare in a man to mna matchup

Uh no he wouldn't. Everytime Amare has played the Lakers, who does he match up against? Gasol.

I Have Gasol tear him apart when he posts up against him. He's way to quick for Amare to defend. Don't get me wrong, Amare does it too him as well but I'll take Gasol over Amare on my team any day.

dtmagnet
04-04-2011, 04:11 PM
According to bynum's theory, Steve Kerr would be tougher than soft *** only five rings Kobe.

Nothing wrong with that, Steve Kerr is a tough mofo.

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 04:13 PM
man, I just looked at their head to heads. Amare kicks Pau's butt pretty much everytime. Just goes to show using head to heads is a pretty bad way to judge sometimes who the overall better player is.

NotSoClutch
04-04-2011, 04:14 PM
Nothing wrong with that, Steve Kerr is a tough mofo.

I think all hoops fans can agree with that.

mttwlsn16
04-04-2011, 04:16 PM
KG is a fake tough guy that picks his battles carefully. Notice he never ran up on KMart or Artest with his antics.....

perfectly put

John Walls Era
04-04-2011, 04:17 PM
According to bynum's theory, Steve Kerr would be tougher than soft *** only five rings Kobe.

Kerr was tough. He had the balls to stand up to MJ. Even though Jordan ended up clocking him in the face.

John Walls Era
04-04-2011, 04:19 PM
I agree that Pau is better than Amare right now. But twice the player that Amare EVER will be?? I don't think so. Amare is foolish to call Pau soft cuz Amare is non existent on defense and everybody takes advantage of him and he doesn't really care.

When Amare starts to care about defense and rebounding, he will be better than Pau.

That will never happen. If he hasn't cared for so many years, he wont just wake up and say to himself "I'm going to start playing great D". Plus I just don't think he knows how, sure he can block a few shots here and there, but theres more to defense than blocking shots (studying reports, know the team concepts, etc).

KG21
04-04-2011, 04:20 PM
Just cuz Gasol's a Champion doesn't mean he has no flaws in his game. Cuz in reality he does... and Gasol is soft. And Amare having 0 rings makes it irrelevant.

This!

KobeOwnSU
04-04-2011, 04:26 PM
this isn't about lakers vs knicks, it's obvious as a knick fan, I'm not going to say that were anywhere in yalls ballpark, but amare > gaflop all day erry day

If you really do believe Amare is better then Gasol, stay in New York, the rest of the world doesnt want you.

KobeOwnSU
04-04-2011, 04:26 PM
This!

Its only irrelevant if Amare did not open his trap.

CLeanUpman
04-04-2011, 04:30 PM
Pau is good I don't really think he is better than amare though I think they are about even. The thing is pau plays with the best player in the world right now that makes his job so much more easy. People are not thinking about how to stop pau they are worried about kobe. Amare took the knicks and before he got melo kept them pretty damn competitive. I think if they switched spots paul could do that. They both cool but I don't really see one being that much better than the other so I call it even.

NYK|NYY
04-04-2011, 04:37 PM
Pau is soft. Amar'e is absolutely horrible on defense. He doesn't even try 80% of the time, which makes it worse.

And who cares if he has two rings, doesn't Morrison have two rings or something?

Jewelz0376
04-04-2011, 04:39 PM
IMO Pau is considered the better player because he got to play with Kobe...Nobody thought of Pau as a top 3 PF in the league until he got with the Lakers and Kobe took his game to another level..

The biggest weakness for Amare is reb and def...Kobe and Phil would have him playing D and rebounding...I'm not saying he would turn Amare into Love on the boards and KG on D..but Amare would def be better at both...

Look at Pau before he got to LA...He was pretty much was all O (not at amares level) and no D with little reb also...

yangx620
04-04-2011, 04:41 PM
yeah, pau is soft, but its not his game to be tough, they have bynum i hope for that...
but nothing to take away from pau, he is top three pf this year, last year he was my number one

yangx620
04-04-2011, 04:42 PM
IMO Pau is considered the better player because he got to play with Kobe...Nobody thought of Pau as one of the best PFs in the league until he got with the Lakers and Kobe took his game to another level..

The biggest weakness for Amare is reb and def...Kobe would have him playing D and rebounding...I'm not saying he would turn Amare into Love on the boards and KG on D..but Amare would def be better at both...

Look at Pau before he got to LA...He was pretty much was all O (not at amares level) and no D with little reb also...


i knew who he was, pau before kobe was a top 8 pf with alot of skills

NYK|NYY
04-04-2011, 04:43 PM
IMO Pau is considered the better player because he got to play with Kobe...Nobody thought of Pau as one of the best PFs in the league until he got with the Lakers and Kobe took his game to another level..

The biggest weakness for Amare is reb and def...Kobe would have him playing D and rebounding...I'm not saying he would turn Amare into Love on the boards and KG on D..but Amare would def be better at both...

Look at Pau before he got to LA...He was pretty much was all O (not at amares level) and no D with little reb also...

Yes, lets give all the credit to Kobe and not Phil Jackson. Some people are so obsessed with their favorite players, wow, lol. And yes Gasol was considered a top ten PF before he came to LA.

Gram
04-04-2011, 04:45 PM
The truth hurts. This goes both ways.

fingerbang
04-04-2011, 04:45 PM
KG doesn't post up anyone, he is pretty much strictly a jump shooter at this point of his career

I distinctly remember watching him try to post Pau up in the finals last season. For the most part he was unsuccessful.

What does Pau have to do to shed the 'soft' label? IMO he does everything that you would ask from a PF (offense, defense,rebounding, solid post game).

NYK|NYY
04-04-2011, 04:48 PM
I distinctly remember watching him try to post Pau up in the finals last season. For the most part he was unsuccessful.

What does Pau have to do to shed the 'soft' label? IMO he does everything that you would ask from a PF (offense, defense,rebounding, solid post game).
He's never going to shed it, people think because he's a European player with a a finesse play style he is soft. Whether its true or not, its just how people will view him and really who cares? You guys are winning championships.

yangx620
04-04-2011, 04:48 PM
I distinctly remember watching him try to post Pau up in the finals last season. For the most part he was unsuccessful.

What does Pau have to do to shed the 'soft' label? IMO he does everything that you would ask from a PF (offense, defense,rebounding, solid post game).

kg was soft back then too...it wasnt his game to be tough, remember bill walton calling him out...kg never develope kevin mchale post moves even though mchale had all those years to teach him...but now, since kg knows his role is different now, he pretty much just be a leader

Geargo Wallace
04-04-2011, 04:48 PM
Yes, lets give all the credit to Kobe and not Phil Jackson. Some people are so obsessed with their favorite players, wow, lol. And yes Gasol was considered a top ten PF before he came to LA.

don't go in there for about 35... 45 minutes

nyKnicks126
04-04-2011, 04:50 PM
Another thread people create just to hate on the Knicks and bait with the Knicks fans.. This thread is absolutely pointless.

Me and Mr. T
04-04-2011, 04:50 PM
I'd respect this comment if it came from anyone else. The fact that Bynum gets hurt constantly doesn't exactly give him any right to say who is soft or who's not. The wind blows and that guy gets hurt.

Jewelz0376
04-04-2011, 04:58 PM
Yes, lets give all the credit to Kobe and not Phil Jackson. Some people are so obsessed with their favorite players, wow, lol. And yes Gasol was considered a top ten PF before he came to LA.

Yea your right I changed it...it wasn't my intention to imply Kobe is the only reason..and when I say one of the best pfs I mean at least top 3... When i think of the best players at a certain position I don't really think of the 10th best...

TylerSL
04-04-2011, 05:02 PM
Bynum is right Amare plays 0 defense and has no right to be calling anybody soft. With that said, Gasol isnt some Iron bigman either.

Raps18-19 Champ
04-04-2011, 05:10 PM
Amare is a ruthless Mofo. He'd probably facial an 80 year old if he had the chance. Not soft to me.



I like the fact that Bynum stood up for his team mate but why doesn't Gasol stand up for himself?

Purple&Gold24
04-04-2011, 05:11 PM
Poor ppl trying to defend their amare. lol
The softness gasol holds somehow some way
has gotten the Lakers to the finals every single
DAMN time hes been on the team! Amare is a great
player himself but he needs to shut his mouth
because the lakers will be playing the knicks only
twice a year for next 5 years. As long as hes on that team
that is.

And the Ring thing for those of you who say you hate it, dont hate appreciate.

yangx620
04-04-2011, 05:14 PM
amare is soft, i like the guy cause he scores alot of points...but the guy is not a top legit defender himself...his rebounds will always be less than ten...and thats why they always lose to the spurs back then when he was with suns, cause amare gets exploited by tim duncan

Hawkeye15
04-04-2011, 05:20 PM
amare is soft, i like the guy cause he scores alot of points...but the guy is not a top legit defender himself...his rebounds will always be less than ten...and thats why they always lose to the spurs back then when he was with suns, cause amare gets exploited by tim duncan

Amare ripped the Spurs a new one a few playoff series.

mttwlsn16
04-04-2011, 05:21 PM
Amare is 100% right! Every Laker fan i know has complained about how soft Gasol is. Doesnt mean he's not a key piece to winning back to back titles. Amare calling anyone soft when he himself is pretty soft is hilarious though.

heat fan calling stat soft is funny as hell considering ya'll got bosh as your softforward ;)

yangx620
04-04-2011, 05:25 PM
Amare ripped the Spurs a new one a few playoff series.

i really wanted the suns to beat the damn spurs cause of the style they run..but i was kinda disapointed that when it comes down to it, amare the suns biggest player at that time was always exploited by duncan...damn it, spurs!

yangx620
04-04-2011, 05:26 PM
heat fan calling stat soft is funny as hell considering ya'll got bosh as your softforward ;)

word, bosh is SOFt more than amare and gasol and odom..he is a sf at heart

Jewelz0376
04-04-2011, 05:28 PM
word, bosh is SOFt more than amare and gasol and odom..he is a sf at heart

At least Bosh plays D tho

Dstmccoy
04-04-2011, 05:28 PM
Nice to see Bynum sticking up for his teammate.
Too bad the Knicks will be a first round exit, otherwise Pau and Bynum can expose how soft Amare's D is.