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D Roses Bulls
04-01-2011, 05:25 PM
In an interview with FoxSports Bill Reiter, Isiah Thomas spoke about how his game compared to those of Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. His comments are surprising, to say the least.


“I have no problem saying this at all,” he says. “[Magic Johnson and Larry Bird are] all 6-(feet)-9 and Jordan was 6-6 and a half. If they were all 6-1, it wouldn’t even be a question. They wouldn’t even f—ing rate. If they were all my size, s—, they wouldn’t even be talked about.

“I beat the s— out of them when they were that big. If we were all the same size, f—.” He stops to laugh good-naturedly. “Make them 6-1 and let’s go on the court.”


http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Isiah-Thomas-living-life-in-exile-shunned-by-NBA-032911

http://www.scoresreport.com/2011/03/31/isiah-thomas-believes-that-inch-for-inch-he-was-better-than-jordan-magic-and-bird/

SteveNash
04-01-2011, 05:41 PM
Maybe, but I've never liked the pound 4 pound or inch 4 inch, if you wanted to go by that, than Muggsy Bogues is GOAT.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-01-2011, 05:42 PM
seems like a napoleon complex lol

Toadman
04-01-2011, 05:46 PM
What he said is true. If I was 3 feet taller I woulda been better than Kareem.

D Roses Bulls
04-01-2011, 05:52 PM
What he said is true. If I was 3 feet taller I woulda been better than Kareem.

I don't think he would of been better than jordan either way or even magic johnson.

Anilyzer
04-01-2011, 06:05 PM
inch for inch, he is the worst GM ever

Anilyzer
04-01-2011, 06:05 PM
he even managed to get his stank on the Carmelo deal somehow

Shmontaine
04-01-2011, 06:07 PM
Career Point Per Game Per Inch --
Jordan - 0.385 ppgpi
Bird - 0.3 ppgpi
Magic - 0.241 ppgpi
Thomas - 0.263 ppgpi

his argument doesn't even hold up to the statistics he/i just made up... Maybe he should go with the pound for pound argument instead....

Career Point Per Game Per Pound
Jordan - 0.139 ppgpp
Bird - 0.110 ppgpp
Magic - 0.076 ppgpp
Thomas - 0.105 ppgpp

nope... oh, well... i tried for you Isiah, but you aren't the best pound for pound or inch for inch...

J4KOP99
04-01-2011, 06:09 PM
Haha, Isiah gets dumber and dumber each time he opens his mouth.

haggis
04-01-2011, 06:10 PM
really zeke? really?

SteveNash
04-01-2011, 06:11 PM
Career Point Per Game Per Inch --
Jordan - 0.385 ppgpi
Bird - 0.3 ppgpi
Magic - 0.241 ppgpi
Thomas - 0.263 ppgpi

his argument doesn't even hold up to the statistics he/i just made up... Maybe he should go with the pound for pound argument instead....

Career Point Per Game Per Pound
Jordan - 0.139 ppgpp
Bird - 0.110 ppgpp
Magic - 0.076 ppgpp
Thomas - 0.105 ppgpp

nope... oh, well... i tried for you Isiah, but you aren't the best pound for pound or inch for inch...

Do one for assists.

PlezPlayDKnicks
04-01-2011, 06:13 PM
REGARDLESS OF HOW CRAZY HE IS. That guy killed arguably the three top hall of famers in their prime years. When i watched him destroy LA on one leg that was ridiculous.

Shmontaine
04-01-2011, 06:13 PM
Do one for assists.

why don't you?? i've done what i will, feel free to prove me wrong..

footballer2369
04-01-2011, 06:14 PM
I would have to say Jordan and Bird were clearly more skilled. He may have been better than Magic, inch for inch, but, then again, Earl Boykins is probably better than Dwight, inch for inch and pound for pound. We don't live in a world with standardized weight or height, so unfortunately this is irrelevant.

SteveNash
04-01-2011, 06:21 PM
why don't you?? i've done what i will, feel free to prove me wrong..

That's what I thought.

godolphins
04-01-2011, 06:24 PM
Career Point Per Game Per Inch --
Jordan - 0.385 ppgpi
Bird - 0.3 ppgpi
Magic - 0.241 ppgpi
Thomas - 0.263 ppgpi

his argument doesn't even hold up to the statistics he/i just made up... Maybe he should go with the pound for pound argument instead....

Career Point Per Game Per Pound
Jordan - 0.139 ppgpp
Bird - 0.110 ppgpp
Magic - 0.076 ppgpp
Thomas - 0.105 ppgpp

nope... oh, well... i tried for you Isiah, but you aren't the best pound for pound or inch for inch...
They have stats four pound and inches :confused:

JWO35
04-01-2011, 06:28 PM
They have stats four pound and inches :confused:

I thinks its a (Hint: Date) Joke...

Shmontaine
04-01-2011, 06:31 PM
That's what I thought.

it's pretty clear what you thought... glad to know you have a sense of humor... maybe you agree with Isiah, sorry to have insulted you and advanced stats...

albertc86
04-01-2011, 06:32 PM
SKill-wise I'd argue that Iverson was better than Thomas. I'm just saying.

John Walls Era
04-01-2011, 06:35 PM
SKill-wise I'd argue that Iverson was better than Thomas. I'm just saying.

no lets not go that far.

I think Isiah is right, but what is his point?

knicks4life33
04-01-2011, 06:36 PM
he is dreamin

Klivlend
04-01-2011, 06:39 PM
seems like a napoleon complex lol

Exactly. Small people have so many more issues. I'm kinda tall, 6'4", which is not even really that tall, and when I play pick-up ball I get so many short guys talking stuff to me. Their like "If I was that close to the hoop I’d score more points too," or “It’s just easier for you to make shots cause your closer” and my favorite, "If I were you're height I'd be throwing down all sorts of huge dunks and 'oops all the time cause I'm only 5'9" and can almost grab rim." It gets old fast. And, while I'm on this rant, why do these guys always drive huge trucks with a huge lifts with huge tires? Do they seriously think the rest of us don't notice how they’re overcompensating for other shortcomings in their life? I mean, it's border line pathetic. There is know why that is out of necessity. They don’t all live in the wilderness or have a driveway with boulders, creeks or fallen trees in it. I could keep going, but I’ll stop here.

netsgiantsyanks
04-01-2011, 06:44 PM
in other news, imagine if the knicks draft the other isiah thomas :laugh:

Bruno
04-01-2011, 06:50 PM
Isiah always produces fodder for a good laugh. :laugh2:

netsgiantsyanks
04-01-2011, 06:55 PM
I thinks its a (Hint: Date) Joke...

no, i think isiah's just ****ing ********.

Purple&Gold24
04-01-2011, 06:59 PM
:facepalm:

MSU4life
04-01-2011, 07:01 PM
Isiah thomas would be better than any point guard in the league today, by a long shot. Sorry rose

smith&wesson
04-01-2011, 07:02 PM
i dont think isiah bleives himself.

Geargo Wallace
04-01-2011, 07:03 PM
Inch for inch he's the dumbest person in the world.

jneises21
04-01-2011, 07:04 PM
If he was 3' tall he may have been better inch for inch

psperry34116
04-01-2011, 07:24 PM
Just why would you say that.

Anilyzer
04-01-2011, 08:43 PM
REGARDLESS OF HOW CRAZY HE IS. That guy killed arguably the three top hall of famers in their prime years. When i watched him destroy LA on one leg that was ridiculous.

he for sure was a great player, but I think his brain has been over-heated now or something. I bet he wears pancake makeup and his hair is laquered onto his head

Ray_R
04-01-2011, 09:03 PM
This seems like something Takashi would say. (GD posters would know.)

Lake_Show2416
04-01-2011, 10:04 PM
No.

grayski
04-01-2011, 10:33 PM
He is on crack!

Revolu7i9n
04-01-2011, 10:53 PM
little man syndrome

ragee
04-01-2011, 10:55 PM
This sort of things only apply to boxing and mma... The skill set of each player depends of their height... You can't really say one is better than the other because he is shorter or taller...

IceMan360
04-01-2011, 11:13 PM
major:facepalm:

Cullksinikers
04-01-2011, 11:34 PM
If he was a foot taller, he would've been a totally different player. Heck, maybe 6-8 more inches and he would've been different. You can't judge if you couldn't predict what would've happened. Sorry, Isiah.

RowanJournalist
04-02-2011, 01:40 AM
He probably thinks he's a better GM than Jordan too. Lay off the drugs, Isiah.

hyb152
04-02-2011, 03:48 AM
He makes a good point though. Idk about Magic, but he could have challenged Jordan and Bird if he was bigger/taller. I dont think he could have been the great ALL AROUND player that Magic was though. Honestly, lebron is the only player thats in the same range as magic. I wouldn't put thomas there.

RowanJournalist
04-02-2011, 04:05 AM
I didn't see much of Thomas, being that I'm 22-years old, but I'm sure whenever someone compares their self to MJ, they're asking for trouble.

Lakerhead4ever
04-02-2011, 04:19 AM
iverson was better than him... individually

SACNYY
04-02-2011, 04:27 AM
He's an idiot.

Missing56&33
04-02-2011, 09:56 AM
Isiah was good but he doesn't even come close to Bird , Magic, and Jordan. Isiah made some bad decisions on the floor at crucial times in the game......he wasn't the smartest play maker at times.

If you look at his two championships he had tons of talent to help him. But whats the point to say this anyway?

JasonJohnHorn
04-02-2011, 10:15 AM
Inch for inch? Or course, the dude was only 6 feet.
George St. Peirre is 'pound for pound' the best fighter in UFC, doesnt mean he could beat a heavy weight.

iamsteel
04-02-2011, 10:31 AM
Well, he just simply isn't the best. But, he is from the biggest trash-talking era. And, he was a member of the Bad Boys so isn't this talk kinda expected?

MGB
04-02-2011, 10:44 AM
If I were 11 feet tall I'd be an All Star.

b0nk
04-02-2011, 11:03 AM
if he was as tall as Magic, he'd probably weigh 40-50lbs more. be a lot less agile and quick...

IamKaiserSoze
04-02-2011, 12:21 PM
he was the best. at bankrupting the cba. and ruining the knicks.

someone get him some shoes with lifts in them so he feels better about himself.

ragee
04-03-2011, 06:43 AM
Why does he have to ruin himself? I loved this guy... Before the things that he did in NY and now this, when someone say Isiah Thomas, the thing that flashes in my mind is the time when he played through his ankle injury... Now, it is all BS...

Nica
04-03-2011, 07:50 AM
It's sad when a fading sports icon tries to stay relevant by over stating their contributions and position in history. Zeke you were a great player for a great championship team but in no way did you transcend the game like the BIG 3 of Jordan, Bird and Magic.
If he is desperate to stay a part of todays NBA scene then perhaps he should follow Bird and Jordans lead and become a GM/ coach of a franchise......errrr .. ummm ... never mind !

Lil Rhody
04-03-2011, 08:01 AM
If Bird was as athletic as any of these guys he would be the GOAT....... Bird was smart and had great skills but imagine if he had Magic's speed and athletic power....

KnicksorBust
04-03-2011, 08:44 AM
Isiah Thomas the player is so underappreciated now because of his off the court issues that it's ridiculous.

ackar
04-03-2011, 09:08 AM
it's like the pound for pound title it means very little and is highly debatable. Was Isaiah one of the best small guard of all time yes was he the very best of them doubtful.

kho1313
04-03-2011, 09:11 AM
Thomas is also an IDIOT. Just look at his GM career.

homestarunner93
04-03-2011, 09:27 AM
Career Point Per Game Per Inch --
Jordan - 0.385 ppgpi
Bird - 0.3 ppgpi
Magic - 0.241 ppgpi
Thomas - 0.263 ppgpi

his argument doesn't even hold up to the statistics he/i just made up... Maybe he should go with the pound for pound argument instead....

Career Point Per Game Per Pound
Jordan - 0.139 ppgpp
Bird - 0.110 ppgpp
Magic - 0.076 ppgpp
Thomas - 0.105 ppgpp

nope... oh, well... i tried for you Isiah, but you aren't the best pound for pound or inch for inch...

You're not really proving any point here, he said that if they were 6'1'', then they wouldn't be as good as him. You're obviously using their stats at their normal heights, so, this is largely irrelevant to the discussion.

WrongIslander
04-03-2011, 09:28 AM
REGARDLESS OF HOW CRAZY HE IS. That guy killed arguably the three top hall of famers in their prime years. When i watched him destroy LA on one leg that was ridiculous.

He couldn't get the better of the most underrated NON Hall of Famer ever though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOy_mGcL5wM

daricoliver
04-03-2011, 09:32 AM
Isaiah saying this is humorous considering I think there are many players that are better than Isaiah all time, not Just Jordan, Bird, and Johnson. I will get some flak for this, but DRose is a better player than Isaiah was. He is a better scorer and close to as many assists. He is a better defender. I am 40 and saw plenty of Isaiah. Rose is better right now than Isaiah.

bagwell368
04-03-2011, 09:37 AM
Thomas is also an IDIOT. Just look at his GM career.

Not to mention his Bird baiting back in the day about Bird being an AS because he was white. Bird took the high road. Jackie shed some interesting light on Magic's eventual rejection of Isiah as a pal also in her recent book.

Very good player, pretty much a tool at everything else.

WPG_LAF_DR#1
04-03-2011, 09:38 AM
Career Point Per Game Per Inch --
Jordan - 0.385 ppgpi
Bird - 0.3 ppgpi
Magic - 0.241 ppgpi
Thomas - 0.263 ppgpi

his argument doesn't even hold up to the statistics he/i just made up... Maybe he should go with the pound for pound argument instead....

Career Point Per Game Per Pound
Jordan - 0.139 ppgpp
Bird - 0.110 ppgpp
Magic - 0.076 ppgpp
Thomas - 0.105 ppgpp

nope... oh, well... i tried for you Isiah, but you aren't the best pound for pound or inch for inch...


Naaaaah, this is not linear

JordansBulls
04-03-2011, 09:43 AM
Thomas is also an IDIOT. Just look at his GM career.

What does GM have to do with playing bball?

DJakk
04-03-2011, 09:48 AM
I like having a good laugh every morning.

Heatcheck
04-03-2011, 10:39 AM
notice he said "Thomas is ALSO and IDIOT", meaning he.. forget it

Hawkeye15
04-03-2011, 10:45 AM
and if Larry Bird were black, he would be considered an average player, right Zeke? This dude has said so many ridiculous things over his career and life, any respect I had for him as a player is long gone.

latinofire21
04-03-2011, 10:49 AM
I am not defending Isiah Thomas at all. I am simply pointing out a serious flaw in your statistics. What makes you say their stats would remain identical if Magic and Bird where 8 inches shorter and Jordan was 5 inches shorter?


why don't you?? i've done what i will, feel free to prove me wrong..

Hawkeye15
04-03-2011, 10:54 AM
I am not defending Isiah Thomas at all. I am simply pointing out a serious flaw in your statistics. What makes you say their stats would remain identical if Magic and Bird where 8 inches shorter and Jordan was 5 inches shorter?

of course they wouldn't. But that is not the point. Saying things like this make Thomas look like a whiny baby. "Poor me, I am shorter than them". Guess what, in sports like basketball, size and strength matter. Go ***** to your parents for not giving you taller genes if you want to cry about it

flclfanman
04-03-2011, 11:01 AM
Not only was Zeke not as good a player as Jordan and Bird, he wasn't as good a GM as them.

Top 5 PG? Maybe, but better than MJ/Bird/Magic?

B ! tch be tripping balls. :crazy:

latinofire21
04-03-2011, 11:03 AM
Well Isiah as been known to be historically a bitter person. Didnt they also try to lock him out of the Dream Team? In his eyes he always felt he was better then them and he uses the size as his crutch. Could be a valid arguement.

I see a lot of stupid things come out in the tabloids with what he says but this is a pretty interesting arguement. I dont think Larry Legend would have been able to raise up and dominate at 6'1. His game was legendary because of what he can do at that size! Same goes for Magic Johnson.

The arguement takes a bit of a twist when you try and include Jordan because Jordan always contested the bigger guys. Still a lot of Jordans skills would have been compromised at 6'1.

The problem I have with this arguement is that everyone uses it. I played power forward for the junior olypic usa basketball team when I was 14. Didnt grow an inch after 14. I blame the height as to why I couldnt take my talents to the next level. So I just think the only negative in Isiahs comment is using an overused excuse as to why he isnt the best and just one of the top legends in the nba.

Hawkeye15
04-03-2011, 11:10 AM
the main problem with the argument is that it just doesn't matter. Size, speed and strength are of huge importance in the game of basketball. That will never change. Saying things like this make you sound like a bitter little baby, of which Thomas has proven to be imo over his career.

CoolJack
04-03-2011, 11:18 AM
He's even dumber than we thought.

Inch-for-inch, pound-for-pound, Isiah is the GOAT when it comes to delusions.

BullySixChicago
04-03-2011, 11:18 AM
In an interview with FoxSports Bill Reiter, Isiah Thomas spoke about how his game compared to those of Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. His comments are surprising, to say the least.




http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Isiah-Thomas-living-life-in-exile-shunned-by-NBA-032911

http://www.scoresreport.com/2011/03/31/isiah-thomas-believes-that-inch-for-inch-he-was-better-than-jordan-magic-and-bird/

I dont know what Isiah is smoking but they were not 6'1 so all that I would sheit dont mean sheit.

Eightyfive Y'aw
04-03-2011, 11:25 AM
If he were bigger he would not have been the same player at all. I am surprised he even could believe that let alone say it. He was pretty special and belongs in the conversation but all else is redickleless. No way he was better.

kidfury
04-03-2011, 11:47 AM
isiah, has NO credibility as a gm. he should stfu about being better than other hofs. the only thing he has is he was a very good player. He should not be grasping at straws to earn anything further than what he has/had as a player.

kidfury
04-03-2011, 11:51 AM
Well Isiah as been known to be historically a bitter person. Didnt they also try to lock him out of the Dream Team? In his eyes he always felt he was better then them and he uses the size as his crutch. Could be a valid arguement.

I see a lot of stupid things come out in the tabloids with what he says but this is a pretty interesting arguement. I dont think Larry Legend would have been able to raise up and dominate at 6'1. His game was legendary because of what he can do at that size! Same goes for Magic Johnson.

The arguement takes a bit of a twist when you try and include Jordan because Jordan always contested the bigger guys. Still a lot of Jordans skills would have been compromised at 6'1.

The problem I have with this arguement is that everyone uses it. I played power forward for the junior olypic usa basketball team when I was 14. Didnt grow an inch after 14. I blame the height as to why I couldnt take my talents to the next level. So I just think the only negative in Isiahs comment is using an overused excuse as to why he isnt the best and just one of the top legends in the nba.

I do believe he should've been on the dream team. He was definitely talented enough and had earned it over ANY college player (Laettener)

SchyGuy11
04-03-2011, 12:20 PM
isiah is ignorant

sevencastro
04-03-2011, 12:35 PM
jajajajaja him better than mj bird and magic no way but he does have a point just imagine if iverson was 6'6" GOAT

CoolJack
04-05-2011, 12:22 AM
will somebody, please, PLEASE, kick Isiah's *** til he gets ********???? This guy is getting too annoying already. With delusions that absurd, this man belongs in a mental institution.

Tony_Starks
04-05-2011, 12:29 AM
I would've asked him: "so Zeek what if you were 6'9 like Magic do you think you could've played all 5 positions like he did and dominate the league? I mean since we're talking in ridiculous make believe hypotheticals......"

enserio
04-05-2011, 12:53 AM
Dude is tripping - H A R D. I'm not even sure I want some of what he's smoking. Then I'll have that permanent plastic wave cap of a hairdo like Jermaine Jackson.

Fock is wrong with you, Zeke? You say shite like this and your college players are probably laughing behind your back.

stlbest5in2013
04-05-2011, 01:16 AM
isiah thomas likes cocaine and hookers.

both his brains are shot.

Super.
04-05-2011, 01:20 AM
Better than Bird

:laugh:

Shmontaine
04-05-2011, 01:36 AM
I am not defending Isiah Thomas at all. I am simply pointing out a serious flaw in your statistics. What makes you say their stats would remain identical if Magic and Bird where 8 inches shorter and Jordan was 5 inches shorter?

my stats, like this thread, are a joke.. sorry if you took them seriously... only people who are shorter than their comparisons are going to benefit from saying 'inch for inch' or 'pound for pound'...

but to answer your post, how can that be a major flaw... we're frickin shortening players here, that's not a flaw??? how do you propose we account for the stats?? let's say we make zeke taller, he may be too clumsy or less of a ball handler... but whatever, i was joking in the first place...

hard_candy
04-05-2011, 04:16 AM
Y'all can talk all the trash you want; back in the day, the Eastern Conference was HARD, as Xavier McDaniel/Pat Ewing/Charles Oakley/Greg Knocking Jordan on His Azz Anthony hard. As in, Thug Laimbeer/Dennis Crackhead Rodman/Rick Azz For Days Mahorn hard.

The Bad Boys were so bad azz, Vinnie Johnson couldn't even get more than 23 minutes a game! He was the fifth option after Isaiah, Dantley, Aguirre and Dumars!

Shut up!

el_primo_nano
04-05-2011, 10:27 AM
Isiah Thomas also believed Amare and Melo signed with the Knicks cause of him..

Lu's Dynasty
04-05-2011, 01:15 PM
If you made Jordan 6'1 I am still taking Jordan. He was more athletic and eventually became a terrific shooter. Early Jordan also had moves and quickness. The issue of height and strength makes sense to mention here because it is after all basketball, but talent and skills win out in the end if the height and strength are set equally. I'm taking Jordan over Isaiah. Either way Jordan was 6'6 and a much much much better player than Zeke.

Sly Guy
04-05-2011, 01:18 PM
seems like a napoleon complex lol

haha, nice.

utahjazzno12fan
04-05-2011, 01:53 PM
I don't even think Isiah Thomas was the best 6'1 player ever. Don't even think he was the best 6'1 PG ever. He was the same height as John Stockton but was 10 lbs heavier. Stockton shot a better FG%, 3PT%, and FT%. Thomas had one more Rebound per game and had 6 more points per game, but he also took 2300 more shots over his career with Stockton outscoring him anyway by 1000 points. Thomas also averaged one more turnover per game.

synister281
04-05-2011, 02:02 PM
Drugs? Isaiah haz dem.

jezzyman05
04-05-2011, 02:14 PM
I don't even think Isiah Thomas was the best 6'1 player ever. Don't even think he was the best 6'1 PG ever. He was the same height as John Stockton but was 10 lbs heavier. Stockton shot a better FG%, 3PT%, and FT%. Thomas had one more Rebound per game and had 6 more points per game, but he also took 2300 more shots over his career with Stockton outscoring him anyway by 1000 points. Thomas also averaged one more turnover per game.

I think stockton was a better PG than Thomas due to these reason what more needs to be said.....the fact is that Jordan, Bird, and Magic were not 6'1 so to even discuss this is dumb

smith&wesson
04-05-2011, 02:22 PM
Derozen can be a top 10-15 playerin the league in a couple years, i think he will be a better overall player then bosh.

mikealike305
04-05-2011, 02:53 PM
huh?

ChicagoJ
04-05-2011, 02:58 PM
If Isiah was 6-6 we don't even know how good of a ball handler he would have been. His skills were based on his size. He was a tremendous player no doubt, but he wasn't as good as the other three. I'm guessing he may have some resentment because you really don't hear his name mentioned like the others. Or he may just be talking a little smack is all.

JDMVP
04-05-2011, 03:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91UpCPLavac

This was my reaction when I saw this Thread