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DreamShake
03-31-2011, 01:56 AM
I always hear that when the knicks are good the NBA is better,but the knicks haven't won a championship since '73 and the league has thrived without them being relevant. No disrespect to the knicks or their fans but does anyone understand why people/analysts say that?

Sadds The Gr8
03-31-2011, 01:59 AM
lol like 900 Knick threads today...

and it's because NY is the biggest market in America, and if the Knicks are good then basketball will become more relevant there and the Knicks will have a better popularity. ratings for national televised Knicks games will go up and that makes for more $$$ for the NBA. also jersey sales/merchandise sales n **** would make alot of $ too.

GREATNESS ONE
03-31-2011, 02:01 AM
^ Agreed, Gigantic market and I think the NBA does need the Knicks to revive.

allSUAVE
03-31-2011, 02:17 AM
Agree they don't need the Knicks ,they have survived w/o them for years

But it would be that much better for the league when they are relevant.

Knicks made alot of history for the NBA This year with the ratings


But dag, it seems like PSD also need the Knicks for gossip

I mean god ,30 teams in the NBA and we are on the 100th thread of the day regarding the Knicks

John Walls Era
03-31-2011, 02:33 AM
Does Stern even care? Hes killing it in China right now... NBA has never been more popular there.

abe_froman
03-31-2011, 02:36 AM
I always hear that when the knicks are good the NBA is better,but the knicks haven't won a championship since '73 and the league has thrived without them being relevant. No disrespect to the knicks or their fans but does anyone understand why people/analysts say that?

they're the biggest market sure but the league has survives them being largely irrelevant for a decade.the nba doesnt need any single team,its a larger entity than that.but as for why they say it(its exclusively knick fans who say it)? and thats simple,its to feel self important

so your right nba doesnt need knicks,no one(including my own team)is that special that the nba needs to be successful

Sadds The Gr8
03-31-2011, 02:56 AM
they're the biggest market sure but the league has survives them being largely irrelevant for a decade.the nba doesnt need any single team,its a larger entity than that.but as for why they say it(its exclusively knick fans who say it)? and thats simple,its to feel self important

so your right nba doesnt need knicks,no one(including my own team)is that special that the nba needs to be successful

yea of course the league doesn't need the knicks. but would it be a hell of a lot better for the league if the Knicks were good? hell yes.

nyanks79
03-31-2011, 03:08 AM
The Knicks are always relevant. Being bad dosent make them irrelevant. They were stories and updates daily throughout the Isaiah era. Even the past 2 years with the 2010 class got a lot more publicity right when the Knicks cleared space.

Now its better when they are good. They will get good draws for national TV games. Theres Knick fans all over the US and probably them and the Lakers are the 2 most popular teams abroad since those will be the games they get in the big markets. Plus papers like the NY Times gets produced all over the country.

abe_froman
03-31-2011, 03:08 AM
yea of course the league doesn't need the knicks. but would it be a hell of a lot better for the league if the Knicks were good? hell yes.

were the past 10 years somehow less?

there is no better/worse except to the fans of that particular team,just different.

Sandman
03-31-2011, 03:13 AM
Its not necessarily that they need a good NY team to survive, but they will make more money if there is one.

Its been said that on the Knicks, a player could earn a lot more money in endorsement deals than they would playing on another team. How many threads did PSD have about Carmelo Anthony this time last year? How many have they had in the last 7 days?

Purple&Gold24
03-31-2011, 03:53 AM
lol i dont think so. But it would be cool for the NBA to have a good new york team.

GREATNESS ONE
03-31-2011, 04:01 AM
Its not necessarily that they need a good NY team to survive, but they will make more money if there is one.

Its been said that on the Knicks, a player could earn a lot more money in endorsement deals than they would playing on another team. How many threads did PSD have about Carmelo Anthony this time last year? How many have they had in the last 7 days?

You're right, It's all about money. At the end of the day the NBA is a business and having a Good product on one of the worlds largest stages. Is a great thing for all parties involved.

beardown78
03-31-2011, 05:48 AM
The NBA doesn't need A good NY team to survive. The NBA is A star driven league and they market star players not teams. Micheal Jordan transcended the sport not the Chicago Bulls. It doesn't matter what market you play in, if you're A superstar athlete the league will make you A face of the league ie Lebron James in Cleveland. The NBA is also alot bigger than just the American markets they are global now

knicksfan42
03-31-2011, 06:14 AM
lol like 900 Knick threads today...



None of which were started by Knicks fans.

Sixerlover
03-31-2011, 08:10 AM
The league makes more money because of the gigantic NYC market. But they don't need them at all to survive. Like someone else said they are a top 5 league worldwide now with the increased exposure in China, Argentina, Germany and other international countries. The Knicks aren't a huge problem on Stern's desk right now

Sly Guy
03-31-2011, 08:50 AM
meh, the knicks were most entertaining to me under isiah.

Hitman21
03-31-2011, 08:51 AM
None of which were started by Knicks fans.

Most of which were started by heat and bulls fans

goose15
03-31-2011, 09:18 AM
the entire universe needs the NYK...

CostanzaNumba0
03-31-2011, 09:42 AM
were the past 10 years somehow less?

there is no better/worse except to the fans of that particular team,just different.

Some of you in here dont live outside of your own bubble..the NBA over the last decade has been a dying league, its unpopular, the common fan with disposable income cant relate to their players, there is no energy.. If you havent noticed the league has been hemhorraging money over the last decade since the knicks have been bad..NYC is an impossible market to overlook, even during their turmoil you had dudes like nate robinson being top 10 in most popular jerseys because the knicks brand is so important..the nba doesnt need the knicks to be good to survive, but to be relevant and important in our culture? yeah they do

LOOTERX9
03-31-2011, 09:42 AM
NBA needs NY KNICKS to be good to keep rising as #2 sport in the country. Ratings shoot up when a good NY Team is playing. It's much better for the NBA To have KNICKS good and a competing for titles.

sintaks12
03-31-2011, 09:50 AM
It's a no-brainer. A good team in the league's largest market = $$. Simple as that. Like it or not. And yes, the NBA has "survived" during the past decade. But will it get a boost by the Knicks having 2 stars (3 next year?) and being relevant again... absolutely, 100% , without equivocation.

Q_bully
03-31-2011, 10:09 AM
Agree they don't need the Knicks ,they have survived w/o them for years

But it would be that much better for the league when they are relevant.

Knicks made alot of history for the NBA This year with the ratings


But dag, it seems like PSD also need the Knicks for gossip

I mean god ,30 teams in the NBA and we are on the 100th thread of the day regarding the Knicks

Agree ^^ 100% Smh

uprightciti
03-31-2011, 10:11 AM
the answer is yes

what would mlb be without the yankees?

its the same thing for the nba

when the knicks are killin it the league glows around the world

THE_G.O.A.T.
03-31-2011, 10:13 AM
Nobody needs the Knicks, nobody even cares about the Knicks, the Knicks don't even care about the Knicks

Da Knicks
03-31-2011, 10:39 AM
The nba had some lousy years since the departure of Jordan, with the knicks being bad it hurt the nba pretty bad. The nba is going to get big now that the big markets are doing good all at the same time. Most of these teams are the ones that get viewed by other countries due to the expansion of the fanbase. How many different cultures are actually in New York, a bunch. With all these people picking up basketball and showing the knicks to other countries i could see how the knicks could help the nba expand faster.

KnicksorBust
03-31-2011, 10:51 AM
Wasn't Lakers/Celtics Finals last year one of the most watched ever? Every big market team takes a hit at some point and the league survives. Right now we are in a time where the league is THRIVING and that's because every big market: LA, Boston, Chicago, NY, Dallas is succeeding in a big way.

madmoochie
03-31-2011, 10:54 AM
The league can sustain itself without the Knicks being good. But having good teams in LA, Chicago, and NY can only lead to more money

76erEaglePhils
03-31-2011, 11:14 AM
The Lakers and Celtics are more important to the nba than the knicks.

76erEaglePhils
03-31-2011, 11:16 AM
Wasn't Lakers/Celtics Finals last year one of the most watched ever? Every big market team takes a hit at some point and the league survives. Right now we are in a time where the league is THRIVING and that's because every big market: LA, Boston, Chicago, NY, Dallas is succeeding in a big way.All those other teams are succeeding in a big way the knicks aren't even in that topic.

Brooklyn Mets
03-31-2011, 11:18 AM
its not the just the Knicks.. the NBA need the Knicks, Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Spurs, etc to do good.. its just that the Knicks are the only one out of those large market teams that hasnt been doing good in recent years..

CostanzaNumba0
03-31-2011, 11:41 AM
Wasn't Lakers/Celtics Finals last year one of the most watched ever? Every big market team takes a hit at some point and the league survives. Right now we are in a time where the league is THRIVING and that's because every big market: LA, Boston, Chicago, NY, Dallas is succeeding in a big way.

I dont think thats true at least in terms of market share, but regardless the money isnt being made the way it used to

29$JerZ
03-31-2011, 11:43 AM
When NY, Chicago, Philly are finally relevant again after the Ewing/Jordan/AI days its great for the league.

PrettyBoyJ
03-31-2011, 12:11 PM
The Knicks is the most profitable franchise out of all 30 teams.. The NBA survived without the Knicks being relevant because MSG still sold out when they sucked and lost a lot of games.. Since the arrival of Amare the Knicks has regained its spot as the most profitable franchise.. When the trade for Melo went through tickets sales jumped through the roof..
Basically when the Knicks are good the NBA receives a large amount of exposure.. (NY Times, Daily New, NY Post are the top selling newspaper in the Country when the Knicks make the cover thats good for the NBA)

stejay
03-31-2011, 12:11 PM
Remember the Garden in the days of Ewing, etc? Thats why they are relevant. They are the biggest team in the NBA. Not in terms of Championships, or great players, but just sheer power from the fan base. All they need is a guy to carry the franchise on his back, and take them to the top, like Ewing did. They have many pieces, just need that key piece to make them a key contender. Amare could be that guy, but if they get a CP3, or that sort of player, who knows?

stejay
03-31-2011, 12:19 PM
Wasn't Lakers/Celtics Finals last year one of the most watched ever? Every big market team takes a hit at some point and the league survives. Right now we are in a time where the league is THRIVING and that's because every big market: LA, Boston, Chicago, NY, Dallas is succeeding in a big way.

Just imagine a Lakers- Mavs Western Conference Finals, and Knicks-Bulls Eastern Conference finals. Followed by a Lakers-Knicks NBA Finals...

The exposure and publicity the league would get would be out of this world, taking it back to the 90's, when everywhere you went, people watched and knew about basketball. That isnt the case anymore, which is sad, because it's probably the easiest US Sport to watch, and probably would be the easiest to market around the world, to the extent the NFL is trying to. See, I spend many months of the year in the UK on work. Sky Sports shows NFL games, has Total Access, and America's Game. But NBA is only shown on PPV channel ESPN America. It seems to me that if the Knicks and Bulls were contenders again, and the Heat experiment works, the League could be marketed to the world a lot easier, bringing in bigger revenue.

njnets
03-31-2011, 12:20 PM
NBA doesnt NEED the knicks. they can easily survive with a bad knicks team. but when the knicks are doing good (70s, ewing era) the league does MUCH better.

Sadds The Gr8
03-31-2011, 12:36 PM
were the past 10 years somehow less?

there is no better/worse except to the fans of that particular team,just different.

we don't know that yet we'll see in the upcoming years how popular the league gets now that the Knicks have some star power. i'm not saying the league sucked, i'm just saying that because NY is such a big market, it'll attract soooo much more fans if they were good. tv ratings would go up a huge amount, not only because of Knicks fans and people from NY, but because everyone would be paying attention to them and wanting to watch them. of course the NBA doesn't need any one team, but for popularity and ratings/$$$, the Knicks being good will be good for the league

Evolution23
03-31-2011, 01:58 PM
If there were no Knicks then all you haters would lose your full time job (Hating).

The league needs the Knicks, they can go without Chicago and Miami.

KnicksorBust
03-31-2011, 02:25 PM
we don't know that yet we'll see in the upcoming years how popular the league gets now that the Knicks have some star power. i'm not saying the league sucked, i'm just saying that because NY is such a big market, it'll attract soooo much more fans if they were good. tv ratings would go up a huge amount, not only because of Knicks fans and people from NY, but because everyone would be paying attention to them and wanting to watch them. of course the NBA doesn't need any one team, but for popularity and ratings/$$$, the Knicks being good will be good for the league

They already have: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4568/nba-tv-ratings-are-up

National TV audiences are flocking back to the NBA, led by double-digit gains in all the adult-male demographics on ABC, ESPN and TNT.
ESPN, which has earned season-to-date biggest bragging rights, is averaging 1.46 million total viewers for 53 games, a 12% jump over those watching for the same period for 2006-07. The network's three most important demos are up dramatically: Up by 44% in men 18 to 34, by 32% in M18-49 and by 28% in M25-54.

"It's the wild, wild West," said David Levy, president of Turner Sports, referring to one of the tightest races in the history of the Western Conference. Nine teams are jammed up within six games of one another as the National Basketball Assn. season rolls into its final six weeks before the playoffs.

Ed Desser, head of Desser Sports Media and a former top official in the NBA, said, "The competition is wide open. There are no prohibitive favorites," which will keep fans biting their nails until the season ends in mid-April.

Ripper Gein
03-31-2011, 02:27 PM
The Biggest Myth in Basketball is that the Knicks Matter!!!

Ripper Gein
03-31-2011, 02:29 PM
Agree they don't need the Knicks ,they have survived w/o them for years

But it would be that much better for the league when they are relevant.

Knicks made alot of history for the NBA This year with the ratings


But dag, it seems like PSD also need the Knicks for gossip

I mean god ,30 teams in the NBA and we are on the 100th thread of the day regarding the Knicks

And 95% are by knick fans

Ripper Gein
03-31-2011, 02:32 PM
None of which were started by Knicks fans.

Im pretty sure this is wrong...

Ripper Gein
03-31-2011, 02:37 PM
The Lakers and Celtics are more important to the nba than the knicks.

^This^

stejay
03-31-2011, 02:40 PM
The Biggest Myth in Basketball is that the Knicks Matter!!!

Looks like someone likes New York....

Ripper Gein
03-31-2011, 02:43 PM
Looks like someone likes New York....

Absutively, but it's true.

Da Knicks
03-31-2011, 02:45 PM
^This^

Your sig is a sign that you want to recruit someone to help you hate.

stejay
03-31-2011, 02:47 PM
The Lakers and Celtics are more important to the nba than the knicks.

It isn't about who is the best, or historically the best team. It is about fanbase, and size of the market they play in. Imagine the NBA without the Knicks for a second. No Madison Square Garden (where, like it or not, players and coaches revere as a temple of basketball), and no team in the largest sports market city on Earth. Are you crazy? Monetary terms, and in terms of advertising etc, the Knicks are the most valuable team in the NBA. Just like the Yankees are in Baseball, and the Giants are in football. Not about who is better, it is basically about NYC, so I guess in that regard, it is the NBA needs NYC, and because the Knicks are obviously the only team in NYC, then the NBA needs the Knicks. I don't see how anyone can see over or past that simple fact.

allSUAVE
03-31-2011, 02:50 PM
If there were no Knicks then all you haters would lose your full time job (Hating).

The league needs the Knicks, they can go without Chicago and Miami.

YESSS! :worthy:

AIRMAR72
03-31-2011, 02:56 PM
offcourse the league da knickerbockers they help pay the BILLS

allSUAVE
03-31-2011, 02:56 PM
Look at the ratings every-time the knicks play on national television ,never been done!

The nba could live with out the knicks. They did it for years!

But it would be better for the league .so much better with them relevant.

Leave it at that. Leave the hating for a different subject.

Because y'all just look bad with it.

Ripper Gein
03-31-2011, 02:59 PM
Your sig is a sign that you want to recruit someone to help you hate.

And your name makes your points invalid.

NYK_kidd77
03-31-2011, 02:59 PM
They don't need the Knicks to be successful. But if you honestly beileve not having a good team in a huge market isn't beneificial to the league then I don't know what to to tell ya.

AddiX
03-31-2011, 03:00 PM
All these threads and none of them by knick fans.

Were not even good yet and you guys are this insecure already? You guys got female emotions.

That's all, proceed with your hating ways....

NYY 26 to 7
03-31-2011, 03:07 PM
The NBA doesn't need A good NY team to survive. The NBA is A star driven league and they market star players not teams. Micheal Jordan transcended the sport not the Chicago Bulls. It doesn't matter what market you play in, if you're A superstar athlete the league will make you A face of the league ie Lebron James in Cleveland. The NBA is also alot bigger than just the American markets they are global now

You clearly don't understand financial markets. Do they need the Knicks? No. But that isn't what people say. They say it is good for the league when they are good. The largest market in the country invested in your product is something you always want. Yes there are teams that are more important to the success of the league. Also I would say until last year the 5-7 years before that have brought some tough times on the league hence all the team losing money and the upcoming CBA expected cap shrinkage. LA Boston and Chicago are also cornerstones of financial success of the NBA. Notice all the media attention and increased sales and rating this year? The "super team" in Miami Chicago NY Boston LA are all bringing big time ratings and exposure to the game.

allSUAVE
03-31-2011, 03:17 PM
All these threads and none of them by knick fans.

Were not even good yet and you guys are this insecure already? You guys got female emotions.

That's all, proceed with your hating ways....

:guns: shots fired at the haters

imagine next year,when we have a full training camp together, a possible new coach and a rebounding center ,my god. lol

Jenceman
03-31-2011, 05:11 PM
The NBA doesn't need the Knicks in the least, but they are more profitable when the Knicks are good. Which still hasn't happened :laugh2:

Chest Rockwell
03-31-2011, 11:17 PM
they're the biggest market sure but the league has survives them being largely irrelevant for a decade.the nba doesnt need any single team,its a larger entity than that.but as for why they say it(its exclusively knick fans who say it)? and thats simple,its to feel self important

so your right nba doesnt need knicks,no one(including my own team)is that special that the nba needs to be successful

:confused: Yeah that's why the OP says experts... So all the experts on ESPN are Knicks fans? Okay...that's why all of them **** on the Knicks right? That's how the phrase became so popular because everyone knows at least one Knick fan who always says it... honestly why do people insist to make up **** and attempt to say it so matter-of-factly?? "exclusively Knicks fans" okay buddy...

Chest Rockwell
03-31-2011, 11:20 PM
They don't need the Knicks to be successful. But if you honestly beileve not having a good team in a huge market isn't beneificial to the league then I don't know what to to tell ya.

This exactly.

The NBA doesn't need any team to be good but they obviously profit a lot off the Knicks being relevant.

Sandman
04-03-2011, 01:15 PM
The Biggest Myth in Basketball is that the Knicks Matter!!!


And 95% are by knick fans
Thats the point, the fan base is huge.....and this is why the NBA stands to gain more money and bigger ratings when the Knicks are relevant.


Im pretty sure this is wrong...


^This^


Absutively, but it's true.

You don't seem to like the attention they get, yet you posted 5 times in a row. Case in point.

theheatles
04-03-2011, 01:25 PM
the knicks don't have to win championships, just not continually miss the playoffs