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elledaddy
03-29-2011, 08:47 PM
This is just MY opinion, but I dont think that he is as good as he is portrayed to be. I understand that he is a VERY gifted athlete but does that make him a Superstar basketball player? If you compare his first 7 years to other recent ( good or great you decide) big men, he really dont measure up.

Ewing( pts, reb, blk)
20......9......2
21.5...9......2.3
20.2...8.5....2.9
22.7...9.3....3.5
28.6...10.9...3.9
26.6...11.2...3.1
24......11.2...2.9
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D Rob( pts,reb,blk)
24.3.....12...3.9
25.6......13....3.9
23.2.......12.2...4.5
23.4.......11.7....3.2
29.8........10.7....3.3
27.6.......10.8......3.2
25..........12.2......3.3
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olajuwon
20.6.....11.9....2.7
23.5....11.5.......3.4
23.4.....11.4.......2.7
22.8......12.1.......3.4
24.8.......13.5......3.4
24.3........14.......4.6
21.2........13.8.....3.9
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Shaq
23.4.....13.9.....3.5
29.4.....13.2....2.9
29.3......11.4....2.4
26.6.......11.....2.1
26.2.......12.6....2.9
28.3.........11.4....2.4
26.3.........10.7.....1.7
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D HOWARD
12......10......1.7
15.8....12.5....1.4
17.6....12.3.....1.9
20.7.....14.2....2.1
20.6.....13.9.....2.9
18.3.....13.2.....2.8
23.2.....14.2.....2.4

Now I know its a lil different league now but that actually works to DHoward favor. Its a much softer league than it was just 15-20 years ago. He goes to the line ALOT. In the late 80s early 90s a big man had to get F'd up to get to the line. When I watch DHoward I see way more athleticism than I do skill( much more then me ofcourse). Its really just very few players in today's NBA that match up with him physically, whereas 3 of the other 4( shaq not as long) played vs each other their entire career. Not to mention countless other big men( parrish,malone,willis,duckworth,lambeir,Zo,daugher ty,mutombo etc......)
Honestly DHoward's numbers are VERY close to ZO numbers but ppl call DHoward a superstar. Again this is just my humble opinion.


What yall think?




All this talk of how he's the best center in the league dont make him a SUPERSTAR. Being second in MVP voting don't either. What I'm saying is that it's nobody playing now to compare him to. For him to be a SUPERSTAR, that would require some other centers to be STARS. Once you get past SHAQ( based on his past) what other centers are even stars. Who's the top 5 centers in the NBA AFTER DHoward? He's like the 6th grader who's bigger than all the other kids so he's looks better than he actually is. Screw all this he didnt go to college crap, he's still learning basketball crap. He's 25 in his 7th year and he's played 600 games in the NBA alone. How long do it take to LEARN how to make 8 baskets per game when ur THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED MAN IN THE SPORT. He grabs 14 boards per. SO!! He should when he plays 40 mins per game and their next leading rebounder only gets 5. Dont get me wrong, I think he's VERY talented but I watch him play. I watched EWING, D ROB, THE DREAM, Early Shaq and he dont look like them. How can yall call him a superstar in one breath and then question how can I compare him to legends.I remember just a few years ago Vince Carter was a superstar, McGrady was a superstar,Stevie Franchise was a superstar then ppl realized that they just had a good run. I think ppl throw SUPERSTAR around to losely. It's like when ppl say porn star, well if EVERYBODY who do porn is called a porn star then whose the porn role players( thats funny)? Hell I think Love and Griffin look WAY better then howard looked at 22 and are going to look prolly 5 times better than he look at 25. IMO

hugepatsfan
03-29-2011, 08:51 PM
Yes. He's a top 5 player in the NBA (I have him #4) and, IMO, the MVP of th eleague this year.

goose15
03-29-2011, 08:53 PM
Yes D12 is a superstar.. BIG TIME!!!

ManRam
03-29-2011, 08:54 PM
I don't really get what you're saying...

So, basically, because he started off slow you question him...and because he gets to the line so much you question him?

Those are silly reasons. First off, he didn't go to college like those guys did...and he had a lot to learn. He still does. Secondly, being physically gifted isn't a bad thing. If you got it, use it...especially when there aren't a ton of physically gifted centers in the league.

I don't get how you can say he isn't. The fact that he stands so far above every other center, regardless of how low the caliber of competition is, makes him a superstar and one of the most valuable players in the league. He gets to the line so much because that's the only way most defense can stop him. No player is that dominant and game-changing.

Bruno
03-29-2011, 09:00 PM
The OP should go look at Ewings advanced stats in the playoffs. You'll find that his production dropped off every single year come post-season; his PER was mediocre for an "elite center" and his TS% actually dropped below .500 during the Knicks '94 title run. Howard is the superior defender and rebounder as well.

I don't think you'll find a lot of arguments here saying that Howard is on the same level and Shaq or The Dream (at the moment), but I do slightly object to you mentioning Ewing in the same light as Dream or Shaq.

Bruno
03-29-2011, 09:02 PM
But to answer the question, Dwight is a superstar, he's the best center and defensive anchor in the league. If you're going put to much emphasis on counting averages, I suggest you check out their advanced stats as well.

shep33
03-29-2011, 09:06 PM
I think he's arguably the best player in the game. Stat's alone don't tell the story in how he impacts the game defensively

IceMan360
03-29-2011, 09:08 PM
D12 is a superstar no doubt, he might not match up to the all time greats but he's still one of the best at his position today

Hawkeye15
03-29-2011, 09:08 PM
Yes, D12 is a superstar, and currently the #2 player in the NBA in my books. His defensive effect can only barely be measured in numbers, and he scores 20 a night, with great percentages (obviously FT's are not his deal).


Dwight is a great player, who is young, and will have a monster prime, which he is starting now

pd1dish
03-29-2011, 09:17 PM
lol some of the threads on PSD are just horrible

xxcubs22xx
03-29-2011, 09:17 PM
Yep.


lol some of the threads on PSD are just horrible

and Yep.

Khalifa21
03-29-2011, 09:21 PM
Yes, D12 is a superstar, and currently the #2 player in the NBA in my books. His defensive effect can only barely be measured in numbers, and he scores 20 a night, with great percentages (obviously FT's are not his deal).


Dwight is a great player, who is young, and will have a monster prime, which he is starting now

Spot on.

I have Dwight as the #2 guy in the league behind LeBron.

I think it's ridiculous comparing him to 4 of the best centers of all-time, who all had at least two years of college as well. Just because his numbers don't match up to 4 greats after only 7 years in the league doesn't mean he isn't a superstar.

MelkyNYY
03-29-2011, 09:22 PM
Making it so you have to have 100 posts before you can make a thread in the main sports forums (MLB, NBA, NFL) would solve a lot of problems.

xxcubs22xx
03-29-2011, 09:23 PM
Making it so you have to have 100 posts before you can make a thread in the main sports forums (MLB, NBA, NFL) would solve a lot of problems.

I think the bigger issue is people actually making a statement with having little to no evidence to back it up.

NetsPaint
03-29-2011, 09:23 PM
We can't compare him to the other eras. In this era, and having an MVP-type season, he most certainly is a superstar.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
03-29-2011, 09:24 PM
Yes. Your just figuring this out now?

netsgiantsyanks
03-29-2011, 09:28 PM
of course he is.

MelkyNYY
03-29-2011, 09:28 PM
I think the bigger issue is people actually making a statement with having little to no evidence to back it up.

That's not even a problem, in my opinion. People will put forth arguments that I disagree with all the time. But that's just healthy discussion, even if it's an unwarranted, baseless opinion.

But a lot of people are creating duplicate accounts to bait fans of certain teams and making ridiculous threads just to get under people's skins. The best way to prevent that from happening is probably making it so you have to have 100 posts before you can post on the larger forums (since those are always active with new threads anyway). No person has that much time on their hands that they will make a dupe account, post 100 times, then make a thread that will just get that account banned.

hgtiger32
03-29-2011, 09:41 PM
yes. he's already led his team to the finals once. last time i checked lebron and wade have only been there once, and melo has yet to go. but hes definately a superstar

danniboi168
03-29-2011, 09:44 PM
of course he is.. dam.

MrfadeawayJB
03-29-2011, 09:46 PM
Superstar, Yes.

Overated, Possibly.

IamKaiserSoze
03-29-2011, 09:49 PM
is this question for real?

yeah he's a superstar. he is a beast.

and comparing him to hakeem and ewing (and even shaq) who were the best centers of the last generation tell you how much this game has changed. used to be every great team had a dominant center. every one could score. but i don't recall anyone playing defense (russell was before my time) this good. and he is developing an offensive game.

if you don't think he is a stud...can you name 10 players you would start a team to build around before him?

Avenged
03-29-2011, 09:52 PM
Definitely, no question.

quietstorm80
03-29-2011, 10:00 PM
He is a supertar, top 5 player. However, in a league with only a handful of decent centers, Howard should be more dominant offensively. I can only imagine the numbers those centers would put up today.

To me he is more of a Mutumbo. A notch below those guys.

Hellcrooner
03-29-2011, 10:04 PM
do you realize that he came from HS?

you should remove his first two seasons and do the comparison using his 3rd season as the first of the other players mentioned.

then you are forgeting bout REBOUNDS he is frying every of them alive in that regard.

so yep he is a superstar now.
and should he develop his IQ his post game and jumper he can become a MONSTER.

he is probably top 10 . yes he may be a bit overated since he is not the most skilled dude out there and relys to much on phisic.
but hey he HAS that PHISIC and he USES it to dominate.

if he learns anything else league is over for the next 5 years or so.

LA_Raiders
03-29-2011, 10:11 PM
Hell yeah, He is Top 3 IMO

Jewelz0376
03-29-2011, 10:11 PM
Sometimes I think people just make threads just to make them... The guy is an mvp candidate and he's not even 25...he's been a superstar

Cano4prez
03-29-2011, 10:25 PM
Yes. He's a top 5 player in the NBA (I have him #4) and, IMO, the MVP of th eleague this year.

This

jrm2054
03-29-2011, 10:25 PM
really??? was this a legit question. Of course he is

Sixerlover
03-29-2011, 10:30 PM
yeah like.. What is this thread?

The greatest difference in talent between a position in the NBA is the center. Dwight Howard is MILES ahead of whoever you think is #2. He's a superstar indeed.

meloman1592
03-29-2011, 10:38 PM
He's a superstar without a doubt...just in a different kinda way lol. He's extremely dominant(physically) and is an outstanding defender but he doesn't make his mark the way kobe,bron,melo,durant,wade etc leave theres. But obviously he's a different type of player......superstar nontheless

DaBear
03-29-2011, 10:43 PM
Best center in an era of weak centers. Take it for what it's worth.

championships
03-29-2011, 11:09 PM
Unanimous answer. Yes

Swashcuff
03-29-2011, 11:18 PM
I don't really get what you're saying...

So, basically, because he started off slow you question him...and because he gets to the line so much you question him?

Those are silly reasons. First off, he didn't go to college like those guys did...and he had a lot to learn. He still does. Secondly, being physically gifted isn't a bad thing. If you got it, use it...especially when there aren't a ton of physically gifted centers in the league.

I don't get how you can say he isn't. The fact that he stands so far above every other center, regardless of how low the caliber of competition is, makes him a superstar and one of the most valuable players in the league. He gets to the line so much because that's the only way most defense can stop him. No player is that dominant and game-changing.




The OP should go look at Ewings advanced stats in the playoffs. You'll find that his production dropped off every single year come post-season; his PER was mediocre for an "elite center" and his TS% actually dropped below .500 during the Knicks '94 title run. Howard is the superior defender and rebounder as well.

I don't think you'll find a lot of arguments here saying that Howard is on the same level and Shaq or The Dream (at the moment), but I do slightly object to you mentioning Ewing in the same light as Dream or Shaq.



Yes, D12 is a superstar, and currently the #2 player in the NBA in my books. His defensive effect can only barely be measured in numbers, and he scores 20 a night, with great percentages (obviously FT's are not his deal).


Dwight is a great player, who is young, and will have a monster prime, which he is starting now


Spot on.

I have Dwight as the #2 guy in the league behind LeBron.

I think it's ridiculous comparing him to 4 of the best centers of all-time, who all had at least two years of college as well. Just because his numbers don't match up to 4 greats after only 7 years in the league doesn't mean he isn't a superstar.


After these there really isn't much else left to be said. All solid all spot on.

Swashcuff
03-29-2011, 11:20 PM
Superstar, Yes.

Overated, Possibly.

I think if anything he is vastly underrated in all honesty.

CowboysKB24
03-29-2011, 11:22 PM
Obviously, yes. He is entering his prime right now and I think his best season is still yet to come. If he gets another star along with him he could win some rings. Look at what he's done being the lone super star on his team. Magic are the only elite team with one star. I think that says something.

mjokc
03-29-2011, 11:23 PM
Dumb thread of the week, is the best center in the NBA a superstar?

hugepatsfan
03-29-2011, 11:25 PM
After these there really isn't much else left to be said. All solid all spot on.

I don't think even that stuff needed to be said. A simple "yes" is probably all this thread deserves. :laugh2:

tonyd3b54
03-29-2011, 11:25 PM
hes a superstar yes, but does he belong with the great names you just mentioned? no..

DwayneMVPwade
03-29-2011, 11:29 PM
is this even a question?? of course he is

The Senator
03-29-2011, 11:32 PM
Ok, I only read the OP, and I just had to respond asap. When someone is the undisputed #1 player in their position, gets big endorsements/commercials, can change the course of a game singlehandedly on any given night, forces opponents to gameplan for his specific skillset, and is a perennial all-star amongst other honors, yes, that man is really a superstar.

rapjuicer06
03-30-2011, 08:27 AM
I think if anything he is vastly underrated in all honesty.

:clap: i agree with that! people only look at his PPG but they never look at his shot attempts. he averages 6-10 less than the "elite" scores. imagine what he'd be scoring if he was getting more shots instead of playing with 4 shot chuckers. its nice to finally see dwight get some love in here though

chitown815
03-30-2011, 10:17 AM
OMG OMG OMG
Dwight is underrated, he is a more athletic Shaq

Close this thread

Da Knicks
03-30-2011, 10:28 AM
The OP should go look at Ewings advanced stats in the playoffs. You'll find that his production dropped off every single year come post-season; his PER was mediocre for an "elite center" and his TS% actually dropped below .500 during the Knicks '94 title run. Howard is the superior defender and rebounder as well.

I don't think you'll find a lot of arguments here saying that Howard is on the same level and Shaq or The Dream (at the moment), but I do slightly object to you mentioning Ewing in the same light as Dream or Shaq.

:facepalm: dude seriously Ewing got doubled and Starks was the guy that choked. 94 season was the season for the knicks but Ewing needed more help, you are really underrating Ewing.

Double_R
03-30-2011, 10:37 AM
Should have known that the thread creator had less than 10 posts.

King Drew
03-30-2011, 10:38 AM
An athletic, defensive, muscle bound monster. Noone like him in the league today so maybe that's why he stands out so much. But he def is a superstar.

Tarheels23
03-30-2011, 10:42 AM
A superstar..... yep
MVP this year..... yep
DPOY..... yep
best C in the NBA.... yep
worst attitude in the nba.... yep

Swashcuff
03-30-2011, 10:42 AM
:clap: i agree with that! people only look at his PPG but they never look at his shot attempts. he averages 6-10 less than the "elite" scores. imagine what he'd be scoring if he was getting more shots instead of playing with 4 shot chuckers. its nice to finally see dwight get some love in here though

His impact alone on the game is gamechanging. People look at his numbers and think well he's ok but nothing special because other Cs in the 90s have done better but as far as impact goes he's right up there with them.

Swashcuff
03-30-2011, 10:44 AM
A superstar..... yep
MVP this year..... yep
DPOY..... yep
best C in the NBA.... yep
worst attitude in the nba.... yep

Though I 100% disagree with that statement, that comes with being the only star player on a crappy team, he is that team. Kobe once had the "worst attitude in the nba".

jezzyman05
03-30-2011, 10:45 AM
hes a superstar yes, but does he belong with the great names you just mentioned? no..

Best post in this thread by far.


Dwight Howard is a superstar today but compared to the era of Robinson, Oljuwon, Ewing, and Shaq, Dwight Howard does not compare at less not for now this is a question that you should ask when Dwight Howard is at least 30-31 and look at his accomplishments and titles

jezzyman05
03-30-2011, 10:47 AM
Though I 100% disagree with that statement, that comes with being the only star player on a crappy team, he is that team. Kobe once had the "worst attitude in the nba".

what makes you think that Kobe's attitude has changed....he was starting to bash his team again before they started winning, I still believe Kobe has the worst attitude in the league.

sep11ie
03-30-2011, 11:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

Double_R
03-30-2011, 11:57 AM
Best center in an era of weak centers. Take it for what it's worth.

It's a good thing you are not a hater.

I always find it funny when people say this as an argument against DH. So being consistently doubled and tripled instead of being played straight up is a few times a year takes away from???

Do you say this about Shaq since he got swept by Hakeem in the Finals. How about when he got swept in the playoffs by Rick Smits (very average center)in his prime, then beat him in 6 games the year Smits retired to win his 1st championship? How about when he got swept in the playoffs by the Bulls, do you say that he got beat by Luc Longley or do you say that he got beat by Jordan's Bulls? How about when he was swept by the Jazz, do you say he was beat by Greg Ostertag and Greg Foster? Or when he was swept by the Spurs by or was he swept by David Robinson? Then he beat a 34 year old Mutumbo to win. Then he beat up on Jason Collins, Todd Maculloch, and Aaron Williams. Then got beat by Davis Robison again. Then got beat by Rasheed and Ben Wallace. Then he beat the Mavs with Wade.

In his ultimate Shaq's elimination series or finals series:
Shaq vs. Centers and his teams results
Hakeem= Shaq Swept
David Robinson= Shaq Swept or losing 2-4
Rick Smits= Shaq lost a series and won a series
Luc Longley= Shaq swept
Greg Ostertag & Greg Foster= Shaq swept
Jason Collins/Todd Maculloch/Aaron Williams= Shaq a Champ
Ben Wallace/Rasheed Wallace= Shaq losing 1-4


So does all this mean that Shaq benefited from a playing weak centers?

I am so over that stupid argument about a weak era of a position. When elite centers David Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem, and Shaq played the league was full of a ton of nobodies at the center spot outside of the guys I mentioned one or two others like Alonzo. So wow there was about 22 nobodies and 4 elite and 2 allstars and 2 above average. THe bottom line is that most of the time good centers play each other a couple times during the regular season and sometimes in the playoffs, but if we are talking about overall talent, the Center position is always going to be weak. There is never going to be some amazing group of centers at the same time because of the lack of 7fters with the skill and atleticism and coordination. Get over this argument, it's really wuite dumb if you get down to it.

Not to mention that the rules were completely different back allowing centers to be way more aggressive and get away with a lot more.

Hellcrooner
03-30-2011, 12:00 PM
It's a good thing you are not a hater.

I always find it funny when people say this as an argument against DH. So being consistently doubled and tripled instead of being played straight up is a few times a year takes away from???

Do you say this about Shaq since he got swept by Hakeem in the Finals. How about when he got swept in the playoffs by Rick Smits (very average center)in his prime, then beat him in 6 games the year Smits retired to win his 1st championship? How about when he got swept in the playoffs by the Bulls, do you say that he got beat by Luc Longley or do you say that he got beat by Jordan's Bulls? How about when he was swept by the Jazz, do you say he was beat by Greg Ostertag and Greg Foster? Or when he was swept by the Spurs by or was he swept by David Robinson? Then he beat a 34 year old Mutumbo to win. Then he beat up on Jason Collins, Todd Maculloch, and Aaron Williams. Then got beat by Davis Robison again. Then got beat by Rasheed and Ben Wallace. Then he beat the Mavs with Wade.

In his ultimate Shaq's elimination series or finals series:
Shaq vs. Centers and his teams results
Hakeem= Shaq Swept
David Robinson= Shaq Swept or losing 2-4
Rick Smits= Shaq lost a series and won a series
Luc Longley= Shaq swept
Greg Ostertag & Greg Foster= Shaq swept
Jason Collins/Todd Maculloch/Aaron Williams= Shaq a Champ
Ben Wallace/Rasheed Wallace= Shaq losing 1-4


So does all this mean that Shaq benefited from a playing weak centers?

I am so over that stupid argument about a weak era of a position. When elite centers David Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem, and Shaq played the league was full of a ton of nobodies at the center spot outside of the guys I mentioned one or two others like Alonzo. So wow there was about 22 nobodies and 4 elite and 2 allstars and 2 above average. THe bottom line is that most of the time good centers play each other a couple times during the regular season and sometimes in the playoffs, but if we are talking about overall talent, the Center position is always going to be weak. There is never going to be some amazing group of centers at the same time because of the lack of 7fters with the skill and atleticism and coordination. Get over this argument, it's really wuite dumb if you get down to it.

Believe me the 80s and first 90s were not filled of "nobodys" one thing is you havent heard bout them but i guarantee you that the worse starting center on say 1986 would be top 10 nowdays.

ddhulett
03-30-2011, 12:09 PM
Are you kidding 23pt 60%shooting 14reb 2.5blks a game He is the MVP!!!

If we started a draft today I would take him #1

godolphins
03-30-2011, 12:34 PM
Uhhhhh......Yeah he's a superstar

smith&wesson
03-30-2011, 12:36 PM
yes d howard is a super duper star.

yes shaq, d robinson, hakeem, were better but they arent around any more are they.

rapjuicer06
03-30-2011, 12:45 PM
It's a good thing you are not a hater.

I always find it funny when people say this as an argument against DH. So being consistently doubled and tripled instead of being played straight up is a few times a year takes away from???

Do you say this about Shaq since he got swept by Hakeem in the Finals. How about when he got swept in the playoffs by Rick Smits (very average center)in his prime, then beat him in 6 games the year Smits retired to win his 1st championship? How about when he got swept in the playoffs by the Bulls, do you say that he got beat by Luc Longley or do you say that he got beat by Jordan's Bulls? How about when he was swept by the Jazz, do you say he was beat by Greg Ostertag and Greg Foster? Or when he was swept by the Spurs by or was he swept by David Robinson? Then he beat a 34 year old Mutumbo to win. Then he beat up on Jason Collins, Todd Maculloch, and Aaron Williams. Then got beat by Davis Robison again. Then got beat by Rasheed and Ben Wallace. Then he beat the Mavs with Wade.

In his ultimate Shaq's elimination series or finals series:
Shaq vs. Centers and his teams results
Hakeem= Shaq Swept
David Robinson= Shaq Swept or losing 2-4
Rick Smits= Shaq lost a series and won a series
Luc Longley= Shaq swept
Greg Ostertag & Greg Foster= Shaq swept
Jason Collins/Todd Maculloch/Aaron Williams= Shaq a Champ
Ben Wallace/Rasheed Wallace= Shaq losing 1-4


So does all this mean that Shaq benefited from a playing weak centers?

I am so over that stupid argument about a weak era of a position. When elite centers David Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem, and Shaq played the league was full of a ton of nobodies at the center spot outside of the guys I mentioned one or two others like Alonzo. So wow there was about 22 nobodies and 4 elite and 2 allstars and 2 above average. THe bottom line is that most of the time good centers play each other a couple times during the regular season and sometimes in the playoffs, but if we are talking about overall talent, the Center position is always going to be weak. There is never going to be some amazing group of centers at the same time because of the lack of 7fters with the skill and atleticism and coordination. Get over this argument, it's really wuite dumb if you get down to it.

Not to mention that the rules were completely different back allowing centers to be way more aggressive and get away with a lot more.

i agree completely with this post. dwight took a team of the likes of alston/courtney lee/hedo turk/rashard lewis/ as his supporting cast and a hurt jameer nelson to the finals. they kind of got snubbed a bit in the finals and were one or two plays away from making it a better series, but LA won that. dwight had that supporting cast up against gasol/bynum/odom/kobe/fisher (hit clutch shot after clutch shot)...thats who dwight lost to. he has no other superstar on his team. he had one all star and one fringe allstar and the rest are role players. shaq has ALWAYS had an elite guard on his team. david robinson when he won his championships and the best PF in the game. hakeem did it by himself for the most part. guy was crazy good. dwight has NO HELP what so ever and people say he's overrated. thats total bull ****. he's vastly underrated for taking a team of misfits to the championship, and them riding him to the playoffs. his pressence alone on defense allows allows the rest of the team to focus on offense. he basically does everything for that team on defense, while watching everyone else shoot, and shoot, and shoot while he fights for every damn rebound. the ignorance is ridiculous sometimes when it comes to dwight. everyone says lebron had no supporting cast, you know what? he had a better supporting cast than dwight did. same with drose, same with kobe. if dwight was on a team that didn't jack up three's all the damn time and they gave him the ball and he shot 20+ times a game like all these guards and small forwards, he'd not only be top 3 in rebounding, block shots...he'd also be top 3 in points scored as well

elledaddy
03-30-2011, 12:57 PM
All this talk of how he's the best center in the league dont make him a SUPERSTAR. Being second in MVP voting don't either. What I'm saying is that it's nobody playing now to compare him to. For him to be a SUPERSTAR, that would require some other centers to be STARS. Once you get past SHAQ( based on his past) what other centers are even stars. Who's the top 5 centers in the NBA AFTER DHoward? He's like the 6th grader who's bigger than all the other kids so he's looks better than he actually is. Screw all this he didnt go to college crap, he's still learning basketball crap. He's 25 in his 7th year and he's played 600 games in the NBA alone. How long do it take to LEARN how to make 8 baskets per game when ur THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED MAN IN THE SPORT. He grabs 14 boards per. SO!! He should when he plays 40 mins per game and their next leading rebounder only gets 5. Dont get me wrong, I think he's VERY talented but I watch him play. I watched EWING, D ROB, THE DREAM, Early Shaq and he dont look like them. How can yall call him a superstar in one breath and then question how can I compare him to legends.I remember just a few years ago Vince Carter was a superstar, McGrady was a superstar,Stevie Franchise was a superstar then ppl realized that they just had a good run. I think ppl throw SUPERSTAR around to losely. It's like when ppl say porn star, well if EVERYBODY who do porn is called a porn star then whose the porn role players( thats funny)? Hell I think Love and Griffin look WAY better then howard looked at 22 and are going to look prolly 5 times better than he look at 25. IMO

rapjuicer06
03-30-2011, 01:07 PM
All this talk of how he's the best center in the league dont make him a SUPERSTAR. Being second in MVP voting don't either. What I'm saying is that it's nobody playing now to compare him to. For him to be a SUPERSTAR, that would require some other centers to be STARS. Once you get past SHAQ( based on his past) what other centers are even stars. Who's the top 5 centers in the NBA AFTER DHoward? He's like the 6th grader who's bigger than all the other kids so he's looks better than he actually is. Screw all this he didnt go to college crap, he's still learning basketball crap. He's 25 in his 7th year and he's played 600 games in the NBA alone. How long do it take to LEARN how to make 8 baskets per game when THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED MAN IN THE SPORT. He grabs 14 boards per. SO!! He should when he plays 40 mins per game and their next leading rebounder only gets 5. Dont get me wrong, I think he's VERY talented but I watch him play. I watched EWING, D ROB, THE DREAM, Early Shaq and he dont look like them. How can yall call him a superstar in one breath and then question how can I compare him to legend. KOBE gets compared, Lebron gets compared( since his 2nd year with no high school as well) but we cant compare Howard. I think ppl throw SUPERSTAR around to losely. It's like when ppl say porn star, well if EVERYBODY who do porn is called a porn star then whose the porn role players( thats funny)?

wow. you do realize he's not "bigger" than all the other centers. he's 6'11. there are a lot of 7 footers still. dwight is stronger than everyone else BECAUSE OF HIS WORK ETHIC.

and by your comparison kobe and lebron aren't superstars either. compare them to jordan and they are nothing. rose sucks, compare him to magic johnson and he's nothing. the nba is superstarless

elledaddy
03-30-2011, 01:22 PM
wow. you do realize he's not "bigger" than all the other centers. he's 6'11. there are a lot of 7 footers still. dwight is stronger than everyone else BECAUSE OF HIS WORK ETHIC.

and by your comparison kobe and lebron are superstars either. compare them to jordan and they are nothing. rose sucks, compare him to magic johnson and he's nothing. the nba is superstarless

NEVER said he was bigger. Said he was more physically gifted( height,strength,speed,jumping ability etc...) The rest of your comment, I respect...

theheatles
03-30-2011, 01:27 PM
every player u named played college ball so they got off to better starts

Furymaker
03-30-2011, 01:49 PM
He is superstar , he is top 5 player in league .
Now I'm just wondering how do rest of you guys judge players by skill sets , stats or ? :S

benzni
03-30-2011, 01:55 PM
:bla: only 7 posts. what where the other 6?

Missing56&33
03-30-2011, 02:00 PM
yes he is a superstar but I'm not sold on his post season play. T-mac was a superstar also.....but couldn't win a playoff series.

boodathegreat
03-30-2011, 02:01 PM
yes he the next great big lakers center

Chi StateOfMind
03-30-2011, 02:10 PM
yes.......nuff said on to the next one

ChicagoRox
03-30-2011, 02:10 PM
D12 is for sure a superstar. Once he stops getting techs, shows more maturity (no joking around during games), takes the games as serious as Kobe. He will for be an MVP some year. (But not this year)

trini_knickfan
03-30-2011, 02:16 PM
is the sun hot? is mustard yellow? I think you got my answer. Remove him from Orlando's roster and you got yourself another Cleveland, at least in terms of making the playoffs vs not making it at all.

thekmp211
03-30-2011, 02:24 PM
yes he is a superstar but I'm not sold on his post season play. T-mac was a superstar also.....but couldn't win a playoff series.

:confused: dwight has lead a team to the finals? and won a lot of playoff series with not a lot of help. he's done about as much as lebron in the playoffs, is he not a superstar?


D12 is for sure a superstar. Once he stops getting techs, shows more maturity (no joking around during games), takes the games as serious as Kobe. He will for be an MVP some year. (But not this year)

this hurts him too i think. he could still do so much more, although he is still my pick for mvp this year.

historically, he has never gotten nearly as many looks as the big-time offensive centers that have bee mentioned. that partially falls on him for being an unpolished offensive player, but also on his mostly scrub teammates that didn't give their best player the ball.

but this thread is ridiculous. besides being a top 3-5 player, he's also one of the most recognized/well known athletes in the sport. clearly a superstar, though i hate the expression.

Geargo Wallace
03-30-2011, 02:30 PM
He definitely is. I don't like how ppl think you have to be able to dribble up the floor and make jump shots to be a superstar. Centers are essential to winning in the NBA and could be the most valuable position out there.

ne3xchamps
03-30-2011, 02:30 PM
what a ridiculous thread. I don't know if this is a real statement or is the OP f-in with everyone. D12 is a beast and a definite superstar. mods close this dumb thread please.

wsullivan
03-30-2011, 02:30 PM
Out of all those centers listed there is one thing that is not being taken into consideration....Dwight plays in much harder competition now, and almost all of those centers were offensive minded, while dwight is defensive....After working with the dream last summer his offenisve game has improved so much, and his numbers that he is putting up this year are very comparable to olajuwan....Plus dwights is averaging more rebounds than any of them.

Baller1
03-30-2011, 02:31 PM
Is Michael Jordan really black?




Sorry, but this is a stupid thread.

ne3xchamps
03-30-2011, 02:33 PM
Spot on.

I have Dwight as the #2 guy in the league behind LeBron.

I think it's ridiculous comparing him to 4 of the best centers of all-time, who all had at least two years of college as well. Just because his numbers don't match up to 4 greats after only 7 years in the league doesn't mean he isn't a superstar.

this.

ne3xchamps
03-30-2011, 02:35 PM
Is Michael Jordan really black?




Sorry, but this is a stupid thread.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Slimsim
03-30-2011, 02:44 PM
D12 is hte most dominate Player in the NBA and it's not even close

ddhulett
03-31-2011, 01:12 PM
All this talk of how he's the best center in the league dont make him a SUPERSTAR. Being second in MVP voting don't either. What I'm saying is that it's nobody playing now to compare him to. For him to be a SUPERSTAR, that would require some other centers to be STARS. Once you get past SHAQ( based on his past) what other centers are even stars. Who's the top 5 centers in the NBA AFTER DHoward? He's like the 6th grader who's bigger than all the other kids so he's looks better than he actually is. Screw all this he didnt go to college crap, he's still learning basketball crap. He's 25 in his 7th year and he's played 600 games in the NBA alone. How long do it take to LEARN how to make 8 baskets per game when ur THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED MAN IN THE SPORT. He grabs 14 boards per. SO!! He should when he plays 40 mins per game and their next leading rebounder only gets 5. Dont get me wrong, I think he's VERY talented but I watch him play. I watched EWING, D ROB, THE DREAM, Early Shaq and he dont look like them. How can yall call him a superstar in one breath and then question how can I compare him to legends.I remember just a few years ago Vince Carter was a superstar, McGrady was a superstar,Stevie Franchise was a superstar then ppl realized that they just had a good run. I think ppl throw SUPERSTAR around to losely. It's like when ppl say porn star, well if EVERYBODY who do porn is called a porn star then whose the porn role players( thats funny)? Hell I think Love and Griffin look WAY better then howard looked at 22 and are going to look prolly 5 times better than he look at 25. IMO

Your an Idiot!:facepalm:

stejay
03-31-2011, 01:22 PM
He is the best big man in the game. He will win a few MVPs more than likely before his time is up. May even lead the Magic to a Championship. If that aint a Superstar, tell me what is.

stejay
03-31-2011, 01:26 PM
yes he is a superstar but I'm not sold on his post season play. T-mac was a superstar also.....but couldn't win a playoff series.

He has played in a Finals. Whats more, he led his team to the finals. OK, he lost, but he didnt have as good a team as the Lakers did that year, hence losing the series 4-1.

mikealike305
03-31-2011, 01:28 PM
^LeBron James

stejay
03-31-2011, 01:29 PM
All this talk of how he's the best center in the league dont make him a SUPERSTAR. Being second in MVP voting don't either. What I'm saying is that it's nobody playing now to compare him to. For him to be a SUPERSTAR, that would require some other centers to be STARS. Once you get past SHAQ( based on his past) what other centers are even stars. Who's the top 5 centers in the NBA AFTER DHoward? He's like the 6th grader who's bigger than all the other kids so he's looks better than he actually is. Screw all this he didnt go to college crap, he's still learning basketball crap. He's 25 in his 7th year and he's played 600 games in the NBA alone. How long do it take to LEARN how to make 8 baskets per game when ur THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED MAN IN THE SPORT. He grabs 14 boards per. SO!! He should when he plays 40 mins per game and their next leading rebounder only gets 5. Dont get me wrong, I think he's VERY talented but I watch him play. I watched EWING, D ROB, THE DREAM, Early Shaq and he dont look like them. How can yall call him a superstar in one breath and then question how can I compare him to legends.I remember just a few years ago Vince Carter was a superstar, McGrady was a superstar,Stevie Franchise was a superstar then ppl realized that they just had a good run. I think ppl throw SUPERSTAR around to losely. It's like when ppl say porn star, well if EVERYBODY who do porn is called a porn star then whose the porn role players( thats funny)? Hell I think Love and Griffin look WAY better then howard looked at 22 and are going to look prolly 5 times better than he look at 25. IMO

Wow, just wow. I think you need to sit down for a while looking at the wall as punishment for that post. Ridiculous argument

AddiX
03-31-2011, 01:30 PM
Seriously, if mods are going to allow threads this ridiculous to stay open what the heck is the point of having mods here in the first place?

stejay
03-31-2011, 01:30 PM
^LeBron James

?

Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Michael Jordan. Well done you know a player!!! What has LeBron got to do with this?

mikealike305
03-31-2011, 01:34 PM
?

Kobe bryant, tracy mcgrady, michael jordan. Well done you know a player!!! What has lebron got to do with this?

after saying a couple things about dwight u said if thats not a superstar then what is?

Just answering your question......

Your welcome

lol

pacofunk64
03-31-2011, 01:35 PM
My initial thinking is no...so that's what I'm going with. Ya he's the best Center but this league is no longer a big mans game. I think he borderline. He's not a go to guy. I think that has to be at least 1 factor in it.

stejay
03-31-2011, 01:36 PM
after saying a couple things about dwight u said if thats not a superstar then what is?

Just answering your question......

Your welcome

lol

Heat fan?.....

Shoulda known....

mikealike305
03-31-2011, 01:38 PM
heat fan?.....

Shoulda known....

what gave it away?

stejay
03-31-2011, 01:40 PM
what gave it away?

Refusal to let a conversation go without Lebron being mentioned...

Refusing to let go of LeBron's shlong............


Oh, and the avatar :p

Mcdoh
03-31-2011, 01:42 PM
uuhmm hmmm... absolutely

Kobes a Killer
03-31-2011, 01:42 PM
Of course he is a superstar. Shaqs line of 29 and 13 is amazing, almost forgot how great this prick is

mikealike305
03-31-2011, 01:47 PM
refusal to let a conversation go without lebron being mentioned...

Refusing to let go of lebron's shlong............


Oh, and the avatar :p

well i do refuse to let go of his shlong so u got me on that one.....

Lol

to answer the question i actually do see dwight as a superstar

footballer2369
03-31-2011, 01:51 PM
I think the bigger issue is people actually making a statement with having little to no evidence to back it up.

A lot of opinion and not many facts, huh?

Reminds me of someone's MVP candidacy...

sixer04fan
03-31-2011, 01:54 PM
Yes, he is a superstar.

DubiousCustomer
03-31-2011, 02:14 PM
The reasons this is a topic of conversation is that D-Howard could be a lot better at basketball. We so often see big men rely on pure size and athleticism. Dwight is getting better, but he's still not that a great a player outside of his freakish physical attributes. I mean really, how does he not average 30 points (rhetorical question, it's because he can't shoot from more than a couple feet)?

edit: grammar

stejay
03-31-2011, 02:42 PM
The reasons this is a topic of conversation is that D-Howard could be a lot better at basketball. We so often see big men rely on pure size and athleticism. Dwight is getting better, but he's still not that a great a player outside of his freakish physical attributes. I mean really, how does he not average 30 points (rhetorical question, it's because he can't shoot from more than a couple feet)?

edit: grammar

What contradicts your argument is that he is top 5, and this good WITHOUT actually using all his talent. Just watch when/if he learns to harness his whole powers....

AIRMAR72
03-31-2011, 02:51 PM
the word superstar get abuse on PSD ALOT Howard has improve on offense but howard is still inconsistant hes a star but needs a PG like deron or any penetrating PG who is a pass first guy with vision to make him a superstar take advantage of his leaping ablity and raw strength BECAUSE howard CANT CARRY A TEAM like Ewing or Shaq and ZO I think bynum could carry a team if he the focal point on offense i only could think of 4 guys in today NBA who are legit superstar

blahblahyoutoo
03-31-2011, 02:56 PM
i agree. howard isn't as good as some make him out to be.
he's very athletic but he's not bball talented. his offensive game has improved a lot this year though.
previous years were just horrendous.

ManningToTyree
03-31-2011, 03:01 PM
how can you be the undisputed best player at your position, reigning DPOY and not be considered a superstar?

ofcourse he is.

blahblahyoutoo
03-31-2011, 03:01 PM
All this talk of how he's the best center in the league dont make him a SUPERSTAR. Being second in MVP voting don't either. What I'm saying is that it's nobody playing now to compare him to. For him to be a SUPERSTAR, that would require some other centers to be STARS. Once you get past SHAQ( based on his past) what other centers are even stars. Who's the top 5 centers in the NBA AFTER DHoward? He's like the 6th grader who's bigger than all the other kids so he's looks better than he actually is. Screw all this he didnt go to college crap, he's still learning basketball crap. He's 25 in his 7th year and he's played 600 games in the NBA alone. How long do it take to LEARN how to make 8 baskets per game when ur THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED MAN IN THE SPORT. He grabs 14 boards per. SO!! He should when he plays 40 mins per game and their next leading rebounder only gets 5. Dont get me wrong, I think he's VERY talented but I watch him play. I watched EWING, D ROB, THE DREAM, Early Shaq and he dont look like them. How can yall call him a superstar in one breath and then question how can I compare him to legends.I remember just a few years ago Vince Carter was a superstar, McGrady was a superstar,Stevie Franchise was a superstar then ppl realized that they just had a good run. I think ppl throw SUPERSTAR around to losely. It's like when ppl say porn star, well if EVERYBODY who do porn is called a porn star then whose the porn role players( thats funny)? Hell I think Love and Griffin look WAY better then howard looked at 22 and are going to look prolly 5 times better than he look at 25. IMO

learn the proper usage of the words "don't" and "doesn't" please.

gotoHcarolina52
03-31-2011, 03:07 PM
I'll put it this way. The only player I'd take before Dwight Howard is LeBron James. And the only player I would trade James for is Dwight Howard.

Super.
03-31-2011, 03:12 PM
ಠ_ಠ

tredigs
03-31-2011, 03:17 PM
I like how the other 4 centers he compares D. Howard to are all legendary Hall of Famers at the position. "Good or great, you decide". Haha.

Beyond that, really just a worthless question. By EVERY measure that a player can be a superstar (insane physical attributes, over the top marketability, complete dominance of their position on the floor, leading a team to the finals, etc.), Dwight consistently checks off the boxes.

He is also this years MVP to any one players team, and by a wide margin. Yes, suffice to say he's a superstar...

Swashcuff
03-31-2011, 03:22 PM
I like how the other 4 centers he compares D. Howard to are all legendary Hall of Famers at the position. "Good or great, you decide". Haha.

Beyond that, really just a worthless question. By EVERY measure that a player can be a superstar (insane physical attributes, over the top marketability, complete dominance of their position on the floor, leading a team to the finals, etc.), Dwight consistently checks off the boxes.

He is also this years MVP to any one players team, and by a wide margin. Yes, suffice to say he's a superstar...

That is something that has been overshadowed by LeBron in Cleveland the last 2 years. Without Dwight the Magic would be a borderline playoff team in the East with horrendous D.

The BodyGuard
03-31-2011, 03:23 PM
Of course he's a superstar, You can't really go by stats. He's a top 5 center of all-time

Swashcuff
03-31-2011, 03:24 PM
Of course he's a superstar, You can't really go by stats. He's a top 5 center of all-time

Already? Why do you say that?

The BodyGuard
03-31-2011, 03:27 PM
Of course he's a superstar, You can't really go by stats. He's a top 5 center of all-time

He's the #1 center in the game right now

Jewelz0376
03-31-2011, 03:32 PM
Of course he's a superstar, You can't really go by stats. He's a top 5 center of all-time

Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Russell

You think he's a top 5 center over 1 of them already?

The BodyGuard
03-31-2011, 03:35 PM
Already? Why do you say that?

Come'on bro, Name me a guy in the league better than him? Ino he haven't won a championship yet, But he will 1 day. D.Rose/ D.Howard are in the league for MVP(D.rose will win it). But Howard is on a level that no center in the league right now is on

The BodyGuard
03-31-2011, 03:38 PM
Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Russell

You think he's a top 5 center over 1 of them already?

Probably tied with Russell, But you gotta remember 1 thing. D.Howard is still young and he would finished a top 3 center behind Wilt, Kareem

Double_R
03-31-2011, 03:45 PM
Probably tied with Russell, But you gotta remember 1 thing. D.Howard is still young and he would finished a top 3 center behind Wilt, Kareem

He's obviously the 3rd best center of all time, but is he a superstar???

*Superman*
03-31-2011, 03:48 PM
Is this still going?

The BodyGuard
03-31-2011, 03:59 PM
He's obviously the 3rd best center of all time, but is he a superstar???

IMO I say yea

The BodyGuard
03-31-2011, 04:01 PM
Is this still going?

:) Maybeee

Mc Uncle Cola
03-31-2011, 04:16 PM
i dont even know why i clicked on this

sep11ie
03-31-2011, 04:25 PM
He is not and will not be on Hakeem's level.

Hellcrooner
03-31-2011, 04:27 PM
Of course he's a superstar, You can't really go by stats. He's a top 5 center of all-time

better centers in Cronological Order:

Mikan / Pettit/ Russell/ Wilt / Reed / Gilmore/ Kareem / Moses Malone/ Hakeem / Ewing / Robinson / Shaq.


So no, he is NOT top 5 by any means.

blahblahyoutoo
03-31-2011, 04:53 PM
better centers in Cronological Order:

Mikan / Pettit/ Russell/ Wilt / Reed / Gilmore/ Kareem / Moses Malone/ Hakeem / Ewing / Robinson / Shaq.


So no, he is NOT top 5 by any means.

agreed.

Crackadalic
03-31-2011, 04:56 PM
IDk about top 5 center all time but he is a superstar center in this league

ilovemyangel
03-31-2011, 05:02 PM
Howard feels kinda unguardable this season. He has more intent in his moves instead of just relying on overpowering his defender all the time. i think he's definitely a superstar...one that a franchise can build a team around.

ddhulett
03-31-2011, 07:26 PM
The reasons this is a topic of conversation is that D-Howard could be a lot better at basketball. We so often see big men rely on pure size and athleticism. Dwight is getting better, but he's still not that a great a player outside of his freakish physical attributes. I mean really, how does he not average 30 points (rhetorical question, it's because he can't shoot from more than a couple feet)?

edit: grammar

So what about the other 40 guys in the league that are the size of Howard? Look up the list of Centers and PF in the league many of them with the same size but cant do anything with the size

Howard Shoots 60% from the field at 23pts a game know one else does that in the game right now, that stat alone I would call him a superstar much less that he is a a defensive beast!

My Mavericks alone have Two 7 footers and one 6-11 guy and none of them put up Howard's numbers (not including Dirk)

hugepatsfan
03-31-2011, 07:33 PM
I love how people just ignore the fact that his defensive impact is probably bigger than the impact anyone else in the NBA has, offensively or defensively.

Someone that is dominant on O but average on D can be a superstar, but someone who is downright amazing on D and great on O (but not otherworldly) is overrated. AT least that's what PSD says... lmao

tredigs
03-31-2011, 07:40 PM
I love how people just ignore the fact that his defensive impact is probably bigger than the impact anyone else in the NBA has, offensively or defensively.

Someone that is dominant on O but average on D can be a superstar, but someone who is downright amazing on D and great on O (but not otherworldly) is overrated. AT least that's what PSD says... lmao

I'm not sure there's more than a few trolls/fools that disagree with his status as a superstar, and agree that a large part of that is his defensive dominance.

If there was a poll to this question, I assume it would be about a 95/5 ratio in favor of him being a superstar. As I mentioned in an earlier post, he checks off every box that a "superstar" would need. This is not a debate. It's 95 clear headed fans making fun of 5 clueless children of the game.

Swashcuff
03-31-2011, 07:43 PM
Come'on bro, Name me a guy in the league better than him? Ino he haven't won a championship yet, But he will 1 day. D.Rose/ D.Howard are in the league for MVP(D.rose will win it). But Howard is on a level that no center in the league right now is on

You said he is a top 5 C all time. I can name at least 10 Cs who currently say otherwise. Hence the reason I said already.

Swashcuff
03-31-2011, 07:44 PM
Probably tied with Russell, But you gotta remember 1 thing. D.Howard is still young and he would finished a top 3 center behind Wilt, Kareem

Dwight ahead of Shaq, Hakeem and Russell. :speechless::speechless::speechless:

ne3xchamps
03-31-2011, 07:50 PM
Probably tied with Russell, But you gotta remember 1 thing. D.Howard is still young and he would finished a top 3 center behind Wilt, Kareem

:laugh: wow man. just wow. that's all I have to say. ridiculous.

Swashcuff
03-31-2011, 08:06 PM
:laugh: wow man. just wow. that's all I have to say. ridiculous.

Some see Russell as the G.O.A.T. and at least 95% agree that he is top 10 all time, that guy just said that Dwight Howard is better than him. :laugh2:

P-O-Z
03-31-2011, 08:19 PM
IMO he deserves to be MVP .

THE MTL
03-31-2011, 08:38 PM
This is just MY opinion, but I dont think that he is as good as he is portrayed to be. I understand that he is a VERY gifted athlete but does that make him a Superstar basketball player? If you compare his first 7 years to other recent ( good or great you decide) big men, he really dont measure up.

Ewing( pts, reb, blk)
20......9......2
21.5...9......2.3
20.2...8.5....2.9
22.7...9.3....3.5
28.6...10.9...3.9
26.6...11.2...3.1
24......11.2...2.9
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D Rob( pts,reb,blk)
24.3.....12...3.9
25.6......13....3.9
23.2.......12.2...4.5
23.4.......11.7....3.2
29.8........10.7....3.3
27.6.......10.8......3.2
25..........12.2......3.3
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olajuwon
20.6.....11.9....2.7
23.5....11.5.......3.4
23.4.....11.4.......2.7
22.8......12.1.......3.4
24.8.......13.5......3.4
24.3........14.......4.6
21.2........13.8.....3.9
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Shaq
23.4.....13.9.....3.5
29.4.....13.2....2.9
29.3......11.4....2.4
26.6.......11.....2.1
26.2.......12.6....2.9
28.3.........11.4....2.4
26.3.........10.7.....1.7
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D HOWARD
12......10......1.7
15.8....12.5....1.4
17.6....12.3.....1.9
20.7.....14.2....2.1
20.6.....13.9.....2.9
18.3.....13.2.....2.8
23.2.....14.2.....2.4

Now I know its a lil different league now but that actually works to DHoward favor. Its a much softer league than it was just 15-20 years ago. He goes to the line ALOT. In the late 80s early 90s a big man had to get F'd up to get to the line. When I watch DHoward I see way more athleticism than I do skill( much more then me ofcourse). Its really just very few players in today's NBA that match up with him physically, whereas 3 of the other 4( shaq not as long) played vs each other their entire career. Not to mention countless other big men( parrish,malone,willis,duckworth,lambeir,Zo,daugher ty,mutombo etc......)
Honestly DHoward's numbers are VERY close to ZO numbers but ppl call DHoward a superstar. Again this is just my humble opinion.


What yall think?




All this talk of how he's the best center in the league dont make him a SUPERSTAR. Being second in MVP voting don't either. What I'm saying is that it's nobody playing now to compare him to. For him to be a SUPERSTAR, that would require some other centers to be STARS. Once you get past SHAQ( based on his past) what other centers are even stars. Who's the top 5 centers in the NBA AFTER DHoward? He's like the 6th grader who's bigger than all the other kids so he's looks better than he actually is. Screw all this he didnt go to college crap, he's still learning basketball crap. He's 25 in his 7th year and he's played 600 games in the NBA alone. How long do it take to LEARN how to make 8 baskets per game when ur THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED MAN IN THE SPORT. He grabs 14 boards per. SO!! He should when he plays 40 mins per game and their next leading rebounder only gets 5. Dont get me wrong, I think he's VERY talented but I watch him play. I watched EWING, D ROB, THE DREAM, Early Shaq and he dont look like them. How can yall call him a superstar in one breath and then question how can I compare him to legends.I remember just a few years ago Vince Carter was a superstar, McGrady was a superstar,Stevie Franchise was a superstar then ppl realized that they just had a good run. I think ppl throw SUPERSTAR around to losely. It's like when ppl say porn star, well if EVERYBODY who do porn is called a porn star then whose the porn role players( thats funny)? Hell I think Love and Griffin look WAY better then howard looked at 22 and are going to look prolly 5 times better than he look at 25. IMO


Why r u comparing them to the Dwight Howard of old though?

Dwight's numbers were relatively poor back then compared to the other great centers but that was 5 years AGO! The point is NOW he is a SUPERSTAR!

He had a bigger learning curve than the others but he is NOW at the point of a superstar.

Dankster
03-31-2011, 08:44 PM
Those aren't the best players to compare him to. As great as the game has evolved, the talent at the center position has depleted greatly. So yes, if he played in the 80's-90's he prob would've been a top 4-5 center. But the drop off currently between him and the 2nd best player at his position is huge and a much bigger drop off than at any other positions. So yes he's a superstar. But maybe SOME of that is by default of being in a talent-less center league.....

stejay
03-31-2011, 08:46 PM
To be a superstar you have to dominate a part of the court. Does Howard dominate the paint? Of course he does.

AIRMAR72
03-31-2011, 10:55 PM
Those aren't the best players to compare him to. As great as the game has evolved, the talent at the center position has depleted greatly. So yes, if he played in the 80's-90's he prob would've been a top 4-5 center. But the drop off currently between him and the 2nd best player at his position is huge and a much bigger drop off than at any other positions. So yes he's a superstar. But maybe SOME of that is by default of being in a talent-less center league.....

i highly dout that... howard(modern day antonio davis except davis played harder) would be coming of the BENCH if he was playing in da golden era Howard lack LEGIT post moves, robinson,daughrty,ewing,kevin duckworth would have there way with howard EASILY

knicks4life33
03-31-2011, 11:34 PM
wow really !!!! dwight howard is a superstar

towlsmoke420
04-01-2011, 02:57 AM
wasnt howard like 19 when he came here? his no shaq or hakeem, but his the best we have now

KingPosey
04-01-2011, 03:22 AM
your grammar annoys me. And post this thread under your real name coward.

And if you are the best center in the game, and dominant, you are a superstar. Kein Durant isnt scoring 35 a game like Jordan did 20+ years ago, is he not a superstar? Its a different league man. And you know nothing.

KingPosey
04-01-2011, 03:24 AM
3 of the last 4 years he has averaged around 21 and 14 while dominating the paint man...

SeoulBeatz
04-01-2011, 03:37 AM
He is def a superstar.

Freakish athleticism. Blake has stolen a ton of his shine but Dwight is still a very unique, gifted, and charismatic player.

Bulls_fan90
04-01-2011, 03:44 AM
He's no Derrick Rose.