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Evolution23
03-28-2011, 02:35 AM
Heat or Bulls?

Baller1
03-28-2011, 02:36 AM
Thunder.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 02:50 AM
Probably Heat, because with the big 3 there is really no excuse for 5 straight years of playoff failure. Bulls could do it certainly, but it'll be interesting to see how they sustain defensively and how the team surrounding Rose/Boozer is filled throughout the years.

Cano4prez
03-28-2011, 03:20 AM
I doubt this thread ends well, but i'll say the Heat, though I may be biased

Evolution23
03-28-2011, 03:47 AM
Tough call but i'll go with the Heat

aussie
03-28-2011, 04:06 AM
hornets

effen5
03-28-2011, 04:13 AM
As of right now, Bulls. If the Heat can pick up some solid role players and a center, then Heat.

cubs0707
03-28-2011, 04:51 AM
Either the heat or the bulls

gaughan333
03-28-2011, 09:19 AM
i hate when it is referred to as a chip. Bulls with these rosters, probably heat with the right moves

JordansBulls
03-28-2011, 09:20 AM
Bulls. They won in 1991 and the Heat won in 2006, so the Bulls won a title first.

YoungOne
03-28-2011, 09:35 AM
Bulls. They won in 1991 and the Heat won in 2006, so the Bulls won a title first.

this. :D

ackar
03-28-2011, 09:41 AM
Bulls. They won in 1991 and the Heat won in 2006, so the Bulls won a title first.

So true close thread winner Bulls!

warfelg
03-28-2011, 09:49 AM
I say Bulls, but that's mostly since its hard to win without a true point guard.

In all reality I would pick the Thunder like someone else said upthread.

D-Block21-Chito
03-28-2011, 09:55 AM
If Bulls don't win it this year than I say HEAT.. It's the bulls to lose this year but once the heat play together another year and pick up better bench players it will be theirs to lose

cubsfan21
03-28-2011, 09:57 AM
Bulls. They won in 1991 and the Heat won in 2006, so the Bulls won a title first.

The real question should be who wins first lebron or rose? I don't see why the bulls wouldn't be favored. They are the best team in the east and have beaten the spurs and Lakers this season. The heat can't beat winning teams and will lose to the Celtics in the second round. Bulls can still upgrade at sg in the offseason.

Q_bully
03-28-2011, 10:29 AM
This thread shows just how much people hate the heat.

Khalifa21
03-28-2011, 10:30 AM
Heat

PhillyFaninLA
03-28-2011, 10:31 AM
Over the last month you've seen the big 3 come together and start playing like to expected. It took 3 or 4 months for Lebron and Wade to start to play well together and it took until the last few weeks for Bosh to find his place. I still think the Heat have quite a bit of room to grow but I don't think any team in the league can beat the big 3 when they are playing together, not in a series.

The Bulls have a better supporting cast but not as good superstars. The Bulls certainly could prove me wrong but I think the Heat will win one first.

PhillyFaninLA
03-28-2011, 10:34 AM
The real question should be who wins first lebron or rose? I don't see why the bulls wouldn't be favored. They are the best team in the east and have beaten the spurs and Lakers this season. The heat can't beat winning teams and will lose to the Celtics in the second round. Bulls can still upgrade at sg in the offseason.


Basketball is about matchups as much as anything else. I think the Bulls are more likely to beat the Celtics and the Celtics are more likely to beat the Heat. I think the Magic is more likely to beat the Celtics and have a good chance to compete with if not beat the Bulls. But I think the Heat are more likely to beat the Bulls. Again I'm thinking from a matchup standpoint. The Bulls may or may not be better then the Heat right now but I don't think they match up great.

Dade County
03-28-2011, 10:35 AM
it's already been decided....

Go HEAT!

ChitownSports16
03-28-2011, 10:45 AM
As a bulls I want to say the Bulls but, its hard to say just cause of the fact that both have new teams and dont know how they gonna show up in the playoffs.

chitown815
03-28-2011, 11:03 AM
whatever of the 2 wins the ECF this year will take it

chitown815
03-28-2011, 11:07 AM
it's already been decided....

Go HEAT!

Defense usually wins championships, they both have that, with the Bulls being better at D with more size, swept the season series, but the Heat have a train when it rolls it rolls, it will be close, could be epic but this will be a fun 5-6 year rivalry, especially as both beef up.

I don't think anything has been decided except that the Knicks are the softest team ever

Tarheels23
03-28-2011, 12:01 PM
Defense usually wins championships, they both have that, with the Bulls being better at D with more size, swept the season series, but the Heat have a train when it rolls it rolls, it will be close, could be epic but this will be a fun 5-6 year rivalry, especially as both beef up.

I don't think anything has been decided except that the Knicks are the softest team ever

I agree with this. I think it depends on free agency over the next two years. The Heat are a legit center away from being one of the best teams ever. The Bulls are a SG away from being truely elite. The Knicks will be the softest team in the NBA as long as DAntoni is coaching them.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 01:03 PM
Over the last month you've seen the big 3 come together and start playing like to expected. It took 3 or 4 months for Lebron and Wade to start to play well together and it took until the last few weeks for Bosh to find his place. I still think the Heat have quite a bit of room to grow but I don't think any team in the league can beat the big 3 when they are playing together, not in a series.

The Bulls have a better supporting cast but not as good superstars. The Bulls certainly could prove me wrong but I think the Heat will win one first.
They're 8-5 in March. . .they are on a nice roll now though.

Bulls are 12-2 in March

D1JM
03-28-2011, 01:05 PM
The Knicks.

Rentzias
03-28-2011, 01:13 PM
Looks like from this season, the Bulls (owned C's, owned Heat) look good to come out of the East, but the Heat, IF they get out of the East, look better against LA/SA. Seems like the Heat have a harder road but they also seem to be coming together at the right time, so I'll say the Big Three, then I'll vomit.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 01:20 PM
Looks like from this season, the Bulls (owned C's, owned Heat) look good to come out of the East, but the Heat, IF they get out of the East, look better against LA/SA. Seems like the Heat have a harder road but they also seem to be coming together at the right time, so I'll say the Big Three, then I'll vomit.
Bulls have lost 2/3 to the Celts so far, don't know what you're talking about with that.

DaBear
03-28-2011, 01:34 PM
This thread shows just how much people hate the heat.

Or maybe it shows that more people believe the Bulls are better? :shrug:

Frantico
03-28-2011, 01:41 PM
As much as I'd like to say the Bulls, I think the Heat will win one first. Only because I don't think either team will win this season, and that will give the Heat more time to jell and pick up some vet role players next season.

Sly Guy
03-28-2011, 01:42 PM
unless the bulls win this year, then I'd say the heat.

johnnychan
03-28-2011, 01:43 PM
The Heat

jmcelligott92
03-28-2011, 01:46 PM
I say the Bulls right now, better overall team
and Derrick Rose is going to use something else that pissed him off to kill lol.... maybe he'll use the fact he was made fun of 2 years in a row for not going out the first round on 2k commercials ahaha

J-Relo
03-28-2011, 01:48 PM
Bulls. They won in 1991 and the Heat won in 2006, so the Bulls won a title first.

:cheers:

goeatfish63
03-28-2011, 02:04 PM
heat. but with all the heat hate on this site, bulls will get way more votes

Evolution23
03-28-2011, 02:05 PM
all u idiots need to stop with the Bulls won in 1991 already and jsut answer the question.

justinnum1
03-28-2011, 02:05 PM
heat

jagiho
03-28-2011, 02:05 PM
I find it weird that all the focus is on the bulls but I dont see them beating the heat because the playoffs is a different animal and there is no way that rose can stop the big three of either Boston or maimi in a 7 game series.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 02:09 PM
I find it weird that all the focus is on the bulls but I dont see them beating the heat because the playoffs is a different animal and there is no way that rose can stop the big three of either Boston or maimi in a 7 game series.
They do have the best defense, best PPG differential, best rebounding differential...they are great in basically every differential statistic. Rose wouldn't have to stop the big 3 of either team, it's a team game and the Bulls team defense is as good as any right now.

chitown815
03-28-2011, 02:15 PM
I find it weird that all the focus is on the bulls but I dont see them beating the heat because the playoffs is a different animal and there is no way that rose can stop the big three of either Boston or maimi in a 7 game series.

your argument works both ways how can the heat handle the Bulls depth in a series? The Bulls have way more size that can clog the paint, Defense usually shows more in a series, Bulls have a better defense, Carlos Boozer can do 20/10 anytime in a series Deng can drop 20, they have a backup pg and better backup c than the heats starters at those positions, the Bulls depth will wear down the Heat, The Bulls have home court, the Bulls are #1 in point diff for more than just Rose, watch a few games before you say just Rose stop big 3 the Bulls have more depth than the heat and celtics combined watch some games before you say Rose vs big 3's its so played out, you do not need a big 3 to win

chitown815
03-28-2011, 02:17 PM
They do have the best defense, best PPG differential, best rebounding differential...they are great in basically every differential statistic. Rose wouldn't have to stop the big 3 of either team, it's a team game and the Bulls team defense is as good as any right now.

lol touche didn't see you there

DaBear
03-28-2011, 02:19 PM
I find it weird that all the focus is on the bulls but I dont see them beating the heat because the playoffs is a different animal and there is no way that rose can stop the big three of either Boston or maimi in a 7 game series.

:confused:

Does Rose have to guard the big three by himself now?

chitown815
03-28-2011, 02:20 PM
:confused:

Does Rose have to guard the big three by himself now?

he thinks the playoffs mean, only players with shoe deals can play

king4day
03-28-2011, 02:23 PM
Heat or Bulls?

In the future, just post the teams involved in the thread title. It looked like two identical threads which I almost merged.

uchiha
03-28-2011, 02:26 PM
I expect that these two teams will meet in the Eastern Conference Finals more often then not during the next four or five years... with both winning at least one title, but I will say Heat first just because I can dreammmmmm

king4day
03-28-2011, 02:30 PM
Before this season I would have easily said the Heat, but I think unless Boston, NY, or Miami make some significant upgrades to their team, Chicago is just stacked. They will be very tough to beat and have a better PG/C than Miami while they also have a good PF who's probably just as productive as Bosh.

That would be a hell of a series though. Two good defensive teams.

Chi StateOfMind
03-28-2011, 02:38 PM
ill say heat they have 2 of the best players in the NBA not to win soon...and bulls are close but maybe a year or two away

Jonathan2323
03-28-2011, 02:39 PM
I really do hope the HEAT play the Bulls in the playoffs. I just get the feeling that Rose will have to carry that team and if the HEAT do face the Bulls Wade or 'Bron will contain him and play very physical D on him.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 02:42 PM
I really do hope the HEAT play the Bulls in the playoffs. I just get the feeling that Rose will have to carry that team and if the HEAT do face the Bulls Wade or 'Bron will contain him and play very physical D on him.
Just hope that doesn't result in one or both of them in foul trouble, because then you give a great edge to Rose.


Rose didn't have too much trouble when they tried to use Lebron to guard him in the last game.

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 02:51 PM
I really do hope the HEAT play the Bulls in the playoffs. I just get the feeling that Rose will have to carry that team and if the HEAT do face the Bulls Wade or 'Bron will contain him and play very physical D on him.

I think our overall team depth will overwhelm the Big 3 trying to carry the rest of their team.

sargon21
03-28-2011, 02:55 PM
Tough question.

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 02:57 PM
Elsewhere around the NBA:

• The Chicago Bulls outscored the Milwaukee Bucks by 13 points in the fourth quarter of their win. On the year the Bulls have been dominant in the fourth, outscoring their opponents by 201 points. No other team has outscored its opponents by even 100 points in the final frame this season.



• Derrick Rose scored 30 points and recorded a career-high 17 assists in the victory. Rose is just the second Bulls player in the last 25 seasons to score at least 30 points and record at least 15 assists in a single game. The other was Michael Jordan, who last did it in 1989 when he had 33 points and 17 assists against the Trail Blazers.

From ESPN...

Incredible stat, when the Bulls turn it up a notch and play shutdown D, they just SHUT YA DOWN!

nickdymez
03-28-2011, 02:58 PM
Bulls.. Much better roster, better head coach, better leader.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 02:59 PM
Elsewhere around the NBA:

• The Chicago Bulls outscored the Milwaukee Bucks by 13 points in the fourth quarter of their win. On the year the Bulls have been dominant in the fourth, outscoring their opponents by 201 points. No other team has outscored its opponents by even 100 points in the final frame this season.




Wow, that is a crazy statistic.

chitown815
03-28-2011, 02:59 PM
Elsewhere around the NBA:

The Chicago Bulls outscored the Milwaukee Bucks by 13 points in the fourth quarter of their win. On the year the Bulls have been dominant in the fourth, outscoring their opponents by 201 points. No other team has outscored its opponents by even 100 points in the final frame this season.



Derrick Rose scored 30 points and recorded a career-high 17 assists in the victory. Rose is just the second Bulls player in the last 25 seasons to score at least 30 points and record at least 15 assists in a single game. The other was Michael Jordan, who last did it in 1989 when he had 33 points and 17 assists against the Trail Blazers.

From ESPN...

Incredible stat, when the Bulls turn it up a notch and play shutdown D, they just SHUT YA DOWN!

@NBA: D.Rose vying to become ONLY 5th player in NBA history to avg. 24 pts, 8 assts, 4 reb (Oscar, West, MJ, LeBron) (via @NBAHistory)

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 03:01 PM
Wow, that is a crazy statistic.

That kind of D wins titles, no doubt.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 03:01 PM
@NBA: D.Rose vying to become ONLY 5th player in NBA history to avg. 24 pts, 8 assts, 4 reb (Oscar, West, MJ, LeBron) (via @NBAHistory)
He has to have some decent assist #'s the last 10 games, he's at 7.91

Jonathan2323
03-28-2011, 03:03 PM
I think our overall team depth will overwhelm the Big 3 trying to carry the rest of their team.

If you expect role players that have never proven anything in the playoffs to get you over top than that team will most likely fail. Depth isn't a big deal in the playoffs when team shrink their rotations.

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 03:06 PM
The real question should be who wins first lebron or rose? I don't see why the bulls wouldn't be favored. They are the best team in the east and have beaten the spurs and Lakers this season. The heat can't beat winning teams and will lose to the Celtics in the second round. Bulls can still upgrade at sg in the offseason.


wow lol get ur facts right buddy the heat won the series against the lakers and beat san antonio by 30 points so i say get ur facts right... what ignorance in this forum......

what i recommend to people is if u dont know for sure dont talk about it. and dont repeat what other ignorant people are saying....

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 03:07 PM
If you expect role players that have never proven anything in the playoffs to get you over top than that team will most likely fail. Depth isn't a big deal in the playoffs when team shrink their rotations.

You guys have nothing when you get passed D Wade, LBJ and Bosh...you do need a good bench to win, tell me when was the last time an NBA team won with a bench as bad as today's Miami?

Slimsim
03-28-2011, 03:09 PM
Bulls They got derrick Rose

Jonathan2323
03-28-2011, 03:10 PM
You guys have nothing when you get passed D Wade, LBJ and Bosh...you do nedd a good bench to win, tell me when was the last time an NBA team won with a bench as bad as today's Miami?

Tell me the last time a team had the 2 best players on the world on the same team. You can say the bench isn't good but they barely get any shot attempts because Bosh/Wade/LeBron take so many.

nickdymez
03-28-2011, 03:13 PM
If you expect role players that have never proven anything in the playoffs to get you over top than that team will most likely fail. Depth isn't a big deal in the playoffs when team shrink their rotations.

You know Chris Bosh has 0 playoff experience right?

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 03:14 PM
Tell me the last time a team had the 2 best players on the world on the same team. You can say the bench isn't good but they barely get any shot attempts because Bosh/Wade/LeBron take so many.

2004 Lakers with not only Kobe and Shaq but with Payton and Malone (granted they were old but Shaq and Kobe were in their prime) and they got violated by the Pistons that were a better TEAM...

ramsizzle
03-28-2011, 03:14 PM
Tell me the last time a team had the 2 best players on the world on the same team. You can say the bench isn't good but they barely get any shot attempts because Bosh/Wade/LeBron take so many.

Show me a team that had "the 2 best players in the world" on it that was stuck as the 3rd seed in their conference.....the Heat.

The bench isn't good...there is a reason why they don't give them those shots, because they are terrible.

nickdymez
03-28-2011, 03:15 PM
Tell me the last time a team had the 2 best players on the world on the same team. You can say the bench isn't good but they barely get any shot attempts because Bosh/Wade/LeBron take so many.

Shaq and Kobe?

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 03:19 PM
Tell me the last time a team had the 2 best players on the world on the same team. You can say the bench isn't good but they barely get any shot attempts because Bosh/Wade/LeBron take so many.

That's a doozey and that's exactly why the Heat will fail this year...Every champion I can recall from the Bird Celtics, Thomas Pistons, Magic Lakers, Jordan Bulls, Robinson and Duncan Spurs, Billups Pistons, D Wade Heat, Olajuwon Rockets, Shaq and now Kobe Lakers have had a good to great bench...all of them

Minimal
03-28-2011, 03:22 PM
You know Chris Bosh has 0 playoff experience right?
Actually you are wrong on this one. Watch more NBA.

Bulls have a good chance, but I think they need some more playoff experience to get it all done to the end. After 2-3 years they will have a big chance to get it done all to the end.

Heat team consists of veterans who have great experience in playoffs, so I don't think I'll be biased if I go with the Heat.

Sir Buckets
03-28-2011, 03:23 PM
Actually you are wrong on this one. Watch more NBA.

Bulls have a good chance, but I think they need some more playoff experience to get it all done to the end.

Heat team consists of veterans who have great experience in playoffs, so I don't think I'll be biased if I go with the Heat.Not biased, just wrong. ;)

LGH100
03-28-2011, 03:24 PM
The real question should be who wins first lebron or rose? I don't see why the bulls wouldn't be favored. They are the best team in the east and have beaten the spurs and Lakers this season. The heat can't beat winning teams and will lose to the Celtics in the second round. Bulls can still upgrade at sg in the offseason.

The Heat beat the Spurs by 30 and beat the Lakers twice.

And Heat also defeated Thunder,Magic,Memphis,ATL,Nuggets,Portland,Hornets ,etc.
They can defeat winning teams.The only elite teams they haven't defeated
is Bulls(who barely beat them 3 times),Celtics and Mavs.

#1chickhearnfan
03-28-2011, 03:28 PM
The Heat beat the Spurs by 30 and beat the Lakers twice.

And Heat also defeated Thunder,Memphis,ATL,Nuggets,Portland,Hornets,etc.
They can defeat winning teams.The only elite teams they haven't defeated
is Bulls(who barely beat them 3 times),Celtics and Mavs.

the teams you mentioned are all western conference teams except the mavs, they haven't beaten the top eastern conference teams which they problably will face. they play well against the west but struggle against the east

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 03:29 PM
Actually you are wrong on this one. Watch more NBA.

Bulls have a good chance, but I think they need some more playoff experience to get it all done to the end. After 2-3 years they will have a big chance to get it done all to the end.

Heat team consists of veterans who have great experience in playoffs, so I don't think I'll be biased if I go with the Heat.
Bosh hasn't exited the first round.

Mike Miller has been swept in all 5 of his playoff appearances.

Bibby's had worse numbers in the playoffs.


Aside from Wade and Lebron, where is the Heat 'playoff experience' that will help them?

SteBO
03-28-2011, 03:29 PM
Not biased, just wrong. ;)
Ugh, he's correct sir.

SteBO
03-28-2011, 03:32 PM
Bosh hasn't exited the first round.

Mike Miller has been swept in all 5 of his playoff appearances.

Bibby's had worse numbers in the playoffs.


Aside from Wade and Lebron, where is the Heat 'playoff experience' that will help them?
House - 2008 champion
Big Z - Been to the ECF
Haslem(if he comes back)- 2006 champion
Wade - 2006 Finals MVP
LeBron- Went to finals, ECF
Bibby- Been to WCF on multiple occasions

That's actually a lot of playoff experince bud.

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 03:35 PM
House - 2008 champion
Big Z - Been to the ECF
Haslem(if he comes back)- 2006 champion
Wade - 2006 Finals MVP
LeBron- Went to finals, ECF
Bibby- Been to WCF on multiple occasions

That's actually a lot of playoff experince bud.

The 2004 Lakers with tons of expirience vs the relatively unexpirienced Pistons, didn't help LA much, they lost to the better team.

Bulls>Heat

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 03:35 PM
The real question should be who wins first lebron or rose? I don't see why the bulls wouldn't be favored. They are the best team in the east and have beaten the spurs and Lakers this season. The heat can't beat winning teams and will lose to the Celtics in the second round. Bulls can still upgrade at sg in the offseason.


Tell me the last time a team had the 2 best players on the world on the same team. You can say the bench isn't good but they barely get any shot attempts because Bosh/Wade/LeBron take so many.

this poeple are just stupid look at the other teams the reason there bench players get more points is because they dont have a WADE/LEBRON/BOSH on their team........psspspspsss. wow the things people say when they hate lol

LGH100
03-28-2011, 03:37 PM
Don't compare games in the regular season to the playoffs. completely different

I was simply responding to the little annoying Chicago Bulls fan lying about
The Heat not beating winning teams.I'm not comparing anything.

If anything you should be telling Bulls fans that the regular season and playoffs
are completely different.They're the ones that constantly brag about beating
The Heat 3 times this season as if they completely dominated the Heat.

They barely beat the Heat with Lebron out,Wade in foul trouble and Bosh
getting injured in the first game and won the last game by 1 point.Nothing
to brag about.

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 03:39 PM
0-3 vs the Bulls :)

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 03:39 PM
House - 2008 champion
Big Z - Been to the ECF
Haslem(if he comes back)- 2006 champion
Wade - 2006 Finals MVP
LeBron- Went to finals, ECF
Bibby- Been to WCF on multiple occasions

That's actually a lot of playoff experince bud.
House won't get much PT in the playoffs, as stated the bench depth drops.

Z got to the ECF on Lebron's tails, he averaged 1 pt and 1 reb last year in the playoffs and is another guy who will only get a few minutes at most.

Haslem's a big IF he comes back.


And Mike Bibby only made 1 WCF, his first playoff appearance, in the 2001-2002 season.

If we're going that route, then Boozer's made a WCF more recently, Boozer/Brewer/Korver have actually been pieces of a playoff team the last 3 years in Utah. Noah/Rose and Deng have played the toughest competition in the playoffs their first two years (Bos and Cle).

SteBO
03-28-2011, 03:42 PM
House won't get much PT in the playoffs, as stated the bench depth drops.

Z got to the ECF on Lebron's tails, he averaged 1 pt and 1 reb last year in the playoffs and is another guy who will only get a few minutes at most.

Haslem's a big IF he comes back.


And Mike Bibby only made 1 WCF, his first playoff appearance, in the 2001-2002 season.
Was it one for Bibby? :confused: Anyway, they still got there and were part of big games, so the fact is, they've been there and have the experience. And I wouldn't count House being out of the rotation, especially with Chalmers not going to be himself by then. I trust Bibby way more than I do Chalmers. That's a given. I hope Haslem comes back, and it's possible, but I just don't know.

Jewelz0376
03-28-2011, 03:43 PM
I picked the Heat...

Only because I'm assuming that the mle will stay in the new cba and they will be able to sign some good pieces with it to add to the big 3...

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 03:45 PM
u know what every body just needs to shut up....... cause u guys are not making any sense wait until the playoffs and then talk when the heat and the bulls meat in the playoffs then we get to talk.... the bulls fan are going to say they are going to win the heat fans are going to do the same so until it happens everything people are saying is complete nonsense........ wait until they meat and who ever wins gets the bragging rights...

ChicagoRox
03-28-2011, 03:45 PM
If you expect role players that have never proven anything in the playoffs to get you over top than that team will most likely fail. Depth isn't a big deal in the playoffs when team shrink their rotations.

I really don't agree with this statment. Robert Horry, Steve Kerr, John Paxson, to name a few. Were pretty much role players who hit Final's clinching shot to win Championships. And at one time those players have yet to prove anuthing before a series.

As far as this thread goes, I think the Knicks need to fired Mike D.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 03:45 PM
Was it one for Bibby? :confused: Anyway, they still got there and were part of big games, so the fact is, they've been there and have the experience. And I wouldn't count House being out of the rotation, especially with Chalmers not going to be himself by then. I trust Bibby way more than I do Chalmers. That's a given. I hope Haslem comes back, and it's possible, but I just don't know.
I doubt you're going to see more than 2-3 minutes of House to give Wade a short break.


I'll be interested to see how James/Wade/Bosh handle what I expect will be 43+minutes a night.

LGH100
03-28-2011, 03:46 PM
0-3 vs the Bulls :)

0-2 Knicks
2-2 Bobcats

So Knicks> Bulls

Bobcats=Bulls

The Bobcats could possibly upset the Bulls in the playoffs if they get the 8
seed!!!!!! :rolleyes:

D1JM
03-28-2011, 03:47 PM
People make it seem that the bulls have 0 playoff experience, but bosh does.

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 03:50 PM
0-2 Knicks
2-2 Bobcats

So Knicks> Bulls

Bobcats=Bulls

The Bobcats could possibly upset the Bulls in the playoffs if they get the 8
seed!!!!!! :rolleyes:

this..........................................

D1JM
03-28-2011, 03:50 PM
Also, you guys know the op just did this thread so bulls and heat fans go at each other.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 03:52 PM
If you expect role players that have never proven anything in the playoffs to get you over top than that team will most likely fail. Depth isn't a big deal in the playoffs when team shrink their rotations.
Depth all the way through 12th isn't, but Miami's depth is 3 deep (and I say that because Bosh and Bibby are 1/2 :)). Chicago's 1-8 or 9 is deeper than Miami's.


Those first few guys off the bench are tremendously important, and thinking otherwise is the reason Miami will stumble in the playoffs.

theheatles
03-28-2011, 03:54 PM
I say Bulls, but that's mostly since its hard to win without a true point guard.

In all reality I would pick the Thunder like someone else said upthread.

i wouldn't say rose is a true pg at all, because he isn't

gotoHcarolina52
03-28-2011, 03:54 PM
Heat-Bulls is going to be an epic ECF. That is, of course, assuming the Bulls are able to make it past the Pacers and the Magic, which may not happen.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 03:54 PM
i wouldn't say rose is a true pg at all, because he isn't
What is he?


Just because he shoots a lot and can score doesn't mean he's not a true PG.

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 03:55 PM
Unless you are a Knicks fan instead of the Heat, shhhhh

Heat 0-3 vs Bulls, head to head, not talking about the Celtics, Clippers, Mavs or anyone else...

Bulls>Heat
you.know.it

Ladies Man16
03-28-2011, 03:58 PM
People are saying once the Heat acquire better bench players they will win. But its not like the bulls wont get anyone. If anything the bulls are in a better situation. They will upgrade at SG

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 03:59 PM
Heat-Bulls is going to be an epic ECF. That is, of course, assuming the Bulls are able to make it past the Pacers and the Magic, which may not happen.

The Heat might not beat the Celtics either to get to the ECF

D1JM
03-28-2011, 03:59 PM
Heat-Bulls is going to be an epic ECF. That is, of course, assuming the Bulls are able to make it past the Pacers and the Magic, which may not happen.

Or you guys vs Boston, which I doubt it happens

chicago lulz
03-28-2011, 04:07 PM
hmm...fairly civil discussion in a Heat/Bulls forum
Heat are jelling, just as the Bulls are still jelling. Both teams are still improving.
Future holds more signings and adding pieces to solidify the team. Both teams will be improving.

Can go either way really, although I would say Heat first only because they have Wade/Lebron. Unless we see a steep decline in Wade's production due to age (don't see it happening soon).

Bulls have just as good of a chance, as they are a complete and well bonded team.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Nuggest before Knicks though :D

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 04:07 PM
plus what were the weak points of the heat. point guard and ceter right ... well just sit and see a heat game.. chalmers, bibby and house are all solid guest that week point is out of the question... and now look at the center spot big z is a good shooter, damp have done a really good job at the starting line up and is super solid. magloire great D and anthony is super quick and a great shot blocker.. plus miller had a 30+ point game and had more that 10 games whit 10 points or more. and is a great rebounder and has good hustle james jones is a great at drawing offensive fouls and a great 3 point specialist remember he won the 3point contest.. now tell me why are people saying that we have a bad bench? u want to know why? is because they dont get a lot of chances to shoot the ball.. so just sit down and watch a heat game when u can and see what im talking about.................

Evolution23
03-28-2011, 04:12 PM
Heat will beat the Bulls. The heat only lost by a few points the last time they played and Heat had a off game. Now its over for the baby bulls

ChitownSports16
03-28-2011, 04:13 PM
I really do hope the HEAT play the Bulls in the playoffs. I just get the feeling that Rose will have to carry that team and if the HEAT do face the Bulls Wade or 'Bron will contain him and play very physical D on him.


Thought Wade and Bron tried doing that already...

gotoHcarolina52
03-28-2011, 04:17 PM
Heat will beat the Bulls. The heat only lost by a few points the last time they played and Heat had a off game. Now its over for the baby bulls

I'm not going to run to the store to buy a broom just yet, but I do think a Heat-Bulls playoff series will be vastly different from those of the regular season.

Jonathan2323
03-28-2011, 04:20 PM
Thought Wade and Bron tried doing that already...

Not for most of the game though. It only happened in the 4th.

The 2nd game LeBron had Rose on lock down and then in the 3rd game Wade guarded him in the 4th I don't remember him doing so well aganist Wade either. Chalmers/Bibby guarded him most of the game. Playoffs are different you go all out to win no matter what.

SteBO
03-28-2011, 04:20 PM
Thought Wade and Bron tried doing that already...
They did, and Rose never had a great game on both occasions. Even Chalmers guarded Rose well last time out.

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 04:21 PM
plus lol im tired of people saying that rose is the best nba player in the league lol the only reason people are saying his going to win the the mvp is because james and wade are on the same team lol if james would have never left the cavaliers james would be the favorite and wade would follow and rose would be just another scrub lol and still with bosh wade and lebron on the same team they just came off a 30+ points and 10+ rebounds each lol.... wade is way better than rose from hear to the end of the world plus wade is the best shot blocking guard ever....

#1chickhearnfan
03-28-2011, 04:24 PM
It's all going to come down to who has the better DEFENSIVE team. nobody can guard lebron nobody can guard Drose we know that. Miami has better offensive firepower than chicago, but nobody shuts down a team better in the 4 quarter better than chicago. It would be fun if they meet.

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 04:26 PM
ohh and wait now the bulls are going to have to guard the new and improve more aggressive BOSHHHHHH..... tell me what carlos is going to do about that lol

championships
03-28-2011, 04:28 PM
I say Bulls but only because I do not want to see the Heat win. I am sure they will win atleast one in the next five years but the longer it takes them, the better.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 04:29 PM
They did, and Rose never had a great game on both occasions. Even Chalmers guarded Rose well last time out.
He hit 12/23 shots in the 3rd game. Had 26, 27 and 34 points with 5, 6 and 8 assists in the games vs MIA.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 04:30 PM
ohh and wait now the bulls are going to have to guard the new and improve more aggressive BOSHHHHHH..... tell me what carlos is going to do about that lol
Get another double-double?

Ray_R
03-28-2011, 04:31 PM
ohh and wait now the bulls are going to have to guard the new and improve more aggressive BOSHHHHHH..... tell me what carlos is going to do about that lol

have a yelling contest.

k.smith904
03-28-2011, 04:31 PM
ohh and wait now the bulls are going to have to guard the new and improve more aggressive BOSHHHHHH..... tell me what carlos is going to do about that lol

hahahahaha!

Finally he lives up to his expectations in a game against the rockets and all of a sudden he's improved and more aggressive.

Mk.

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 04:32 PM
now think about this

WADE>rose
LEBRON>bosser
BOSH>noah

what are the bulls going to do when the heat play small ball with wade at the point miller at the SG jones at the SF lebron at the PF and bosh at C

Jonathan2323
03-28-2011, 04:35 PM
He hit 12/23 shots in the 3rd game. Had 26, 27 and 34 points with 5, 6 and 8 assists in the games vs MIA.
1st game he had House/Arroyo/Chalmers guard him and shot 27 shots. second game he was 9/24. Playoffs are different, they will have a game plan for the Bulls and make adjustments. 2006 the HEAT were blown out the 2 games aganist the Mavericks in the REGULAR season.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 04:35 PM
The Bulls will stay within 10 with Rose, Bogans/Korver, Deng, Boozer and Noah, then when the Heat have to rest their big 3 for a couple minutes, the Bulls will take a 6-8 point lead with Brewer, Gibson, and the second wave.


This is the same trio that complained about getting too many minutes earlier this season, hand them 43-44 minutes a night and we'll see how they last.

xxcubs22xx
03-28-2011, 04:36 PM
Easily the Bulls.

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 04:37 PM
hahahahaha!

Finally he lives up to his expectations in a game against the rockets and all of a sudden he's improved and more aggressive.

Mk.

lol get ur facts right papa he had five game strait with double doubles and is not just beacuse of last game is more like 7 game strait fool..

Shmontaine
03-28-2011, 04:38 PM
now think about this

WADE>rose
LEBRON>bosser
BOSH>noah

what are the bulls going to do when the heat play small ball with wade at the point miller at the SG jones at the SF lebron at the PF and bosh at C

teams have tried... and lost... so will the heat

wait, i didn't see you capitalized their names... i take it back..

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 04:38 PM
1st game he had House/Arroyo/Chalmers guard him and shot 27 shots. second game he was 9/24. Playoffs are different, they will have a game plan for the Bulls and make adjustments. 2006 the HEAT were blown out the 2 games aganist the Mavericks in the REGULAR season.
And if not for a referee scandal, they probably don't win that. This isn't the 2006 team, this isn't the year directly after 2006, this is 5 years later. You have to stop holding onto that, that's like me saying the Bulls in 1991 had been knocked out of the playoffs by Detroit so often but then swept them.


And the Bulls aren't going to adjust their ways at all? They aren't going to get Boozer more involved? They aren't going to have anything new?


I can't help but laugh at how pathetic the Heat forum is, there have been several threads the last few weeks with people trying to convince themselves the Heat have been holding back just to dominate in the playoffs. That the Lebron/Wade pick and roll should be run 60%+ of the time because it's unstoppable and they will just coast through the playoffs because they are just toying with teams.

championships
03-28-2011, 04:39 PM
Rome is ripping on the Heat right now for their comments about last game against Rockets...lol I have to say I agree.

DITKA4GOV
03-28-2011, 04:41 PM
J
Not for most of the game though. It only happened in the 4th.

The 2nd game LeBron had Rose on lock down and then in the 3rd game Wade guarded him in the 4th I don't remember him doing so well aganist Wade either. Chalmers/Bibby guarded him most of the game. Playoffs are different you go all out to win no matter what.

So the heat were not going all out to win? I remember lebron was accused of quitting in big games so I guess that makes sense. I mean he has made all the big shots for his team when needed this year. His team never shed a tear over a horrible loss.
I don't think the heat get past the Celtics this year. The heat have holes even if homerism doesn't allow there fans to see it. The heat could be really good if they trade away bosh spice and add some REAL role players. Until than.... the bulls.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 04:41 PM
Rome is ripping on the Heat right now for their comments about last game against Rockets...lol I have to say I agree.
What was said?

Jonathan2323
03-28-2011, 04:42 PM
And if not for a referee scandal, they probably don't win that. This isn't the 2006 team, this isn't the year directly after 2006, this is 5 years later. You have to stop holding onto that, that's like me saying the Bulls in 1991 had been knocked out of the playoffs by Detroit so often but then swept them.


And the Bulls aren't going to adjust their ways at all? They aren't going to get Boozer more involved? They aren't going to have anything new?


I can't help but laugh at how pathetic the Heat forum is, there have been several threads the last few weeks with people trying to convince themselves the Heat have been holding back just to dominate in the playoffs. That the Lebron/Wade pick and roll should be run 60%+ of the time because it's unstoppable and they will just coast through the playoffs because they are just toying with teams.

We beat the Lakers twice this year, so that means we should beat them in the finals right? Celtics look terrible right now they should lose in the 1st round right? Cavs last year looked unbeatable how did that tun out? Boston 3-7 going into playoffs last year how'd that turn out?

Bulls are overachieving right now, they have maxed out. They can't play any better than they are right now.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 04:46 PM
We beat the Lakers twice this year, so that means we should beat them in the finals right? Celtics look terrible right now they should lose in the 1st round right? Cavs last year looked unbeatable how did that tun out? Boston 3-7 going into playoffs last year how'd that turn out?

Bulls are overachieving right now, they have maxed out. They can't play any better than they are right now.
I'm not using the 3-0 Bulls! excuse as a reason the Bulls would win a playoff matchup.

The Celtics might have a quick exit if they grab Philly in round 1 and keep it up, they haven't played well since that trade. It's not the same team and we dont' know how they'll do.

Cavs didn't look unbeatable, they looked like they had the most dominant single player playing against a true team.

All your points are signaling is that we don't know what will happen. But I have no problem saying that the big 3 will have to play historically well every game for them to succeed while playing extreme minutes, because if their bench has to take 10-15 minutes per game, they're going to lose.

Ray_R
03-28-2011, 04:48 PM
now think about this

WADE>rose
LEBRON>bosser
BOSH>noah

what are the bulls going to do when the heat play small ball with wade at the point miller at the SG jones at the SF lebron at the PF and bosh at C

You seem to forget that 3 players dont make a series. Playoff is time for team ball.
C.J Watson> Mario Chalmers
Omer Asik>Joel Anthony
Kyle Korver> James Jones
K.Thomas>Big Z
Loul Deng> Mike Miller+Pittman
Keith Bogans=Eddie House
Taj Gibson< hASLEM bUT WHO KNOWS HE IS COMING BACK FROM INJURY.
Ronnie Brewer>Juwan Howard.

Thibs>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spol.

SteBO
03-28-2011, 04:56 PM
You seem to forget that 3 players dont make a series. Playoff is time for team ball.
C.J Watson> Mario Chalmers
Omer Asik>Joel Anthony
Kyle Korver> James Jones
K.Thomas>Big Z
Loul Deng> Mike Miller+Pittman
Keith Bogans=Eddie House
Taj Gibson< hASLEM bUT WHO KNOWS HE IS COMING BACK FROM INJURY.
Ronnie Brewer>Juwan Howard.

Thibs>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spol.
I know you know better than to stoop to that level of stupidity rayruiz. C'mon bro. This thread is completely pointless and all it was made to do was for Heat/Bulls fans to go at it, as usual. Any definitive answer here isn't really valid at this point. Especially considering this is year one. You must not have a legit argument if you're going to use <,>, =. This isn't a math class.

mrs rose
03-28-2011, 04:58 PM
can someone close this, it will only cause baiting, and future bans

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 05:01 PM
I'm worried only about the Celtics since the Heat won't beat them.

#1chickhearnfan
03-28-2011, 05:11 PM
this is my opinion of why i think chicago will problably beat miami. THE COACHING. Thibodeau great coach, defensive minded guy, Derrick Rose has said himself "a hard guy to play for" but loves they he teaches, players playing for him, Boston really miss him right about now. What he preaches work's and it's showing look at their record, chicago beat miami 3 times this year beacause of EXECUTION.Spoelstra doesn't have the same respect for his big 3 because he is being a players coach, he is letting them do what the hell they want, they still don't know who is taking the last shot of the game. Do you think Phil Jackson became the greatest coach of all time by being a players coach. NO he told everybody were the F%$# to be and who's getting the rock. He called out MJ called Kobe when they did'nt execute.Spoelstra grow some BA!!s and tell your players were to be and who is getting the last shot of the game, and live with the consequences.

Ray_R
03-28-2011, 05:14 PM
I know you know better than to stoop to that level of stupidity rayruiz. C'mon bro. This thread is completely pointless and all it was made to do was for Heat/Bulls fans to go at it, as usual. Any definitive answer here isn't really valid at this point. Especially considering this is year one. You must not have a legit argument if you're going to use <,>, =. This isn't a math class.

Find let me rephrase, The Chicago Bulls Bench is far superior to the one in Miami they have the best defensive five man unit minimum 100 minutes. The lineup consists of Watson, Brewer, Deng, Taj and Omer Asik. Four of those players are from the bench.

SteBO
03-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Find let me rephrase, The Chicago Bulls Bench is far superior to the one in Miami they have the best defensive five man unit minimum 100 minutes. The lineup consists of Watson, Brewer, Deng, Taj and Omer Asik. Four of those players are from the bench.
Much better, now allow to me to remind you that those statistics are nothing more than a tool. You're bench isn't that much better than MIA's and the Heat play stifling D as well. I get the feeling you're completely downplaying the fact that MIA plays D as well and has more offensive firepower, especially when our three-point shooters are rolling. If the three-point shots fall, particularly by Mike Miller and Eddir House, since James Jones and Mike Bibby have been consistent, plus the chance Haslem comes back, MIA is going to be too much to handle.

BALLER71
03-28-2011, 05:19 PM
NBA Forum: Where <,> is a completely valid argument.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 05:21 PM
Much better, now allow to me to remind you that those statistics are nothing more than a tool. You're bench isn't that much better than MIA's and the Heat play stifling D as well. I get the feeling you're completely downplaying the fact that MIA plays D as well and has more offensive firepower, especially when our three-point shooters are rolling. If the three-point shots fall, particularly by Mike Miller and Eddir House, since James Jones and Mike Bibby have been consistent, plus the chance Haslem comes back, MIA is going to be too much to handle.
I can say the same thing, if Bogans, Korver, Watson and Rose are hitting their 3's, you can't handle it.

Miami has more offensive firepower, but the Bulls have the best point differential in the NBA (barely ahead of Miami). And rebounding differential (way, WAY ahead of #2).

Miami is going to have to rebound better in the playoffs.

RIPSweetness34
03-28-2011, 05:21 PM
Basketball is about matchups as much as anything else. I think the Bulls are more likely to beat the Celtics and the Celtics are more likely to beat the Heat. I think the Magic is more likely to beat the Celtics and have a good chance to compete with if not beat the Bulls. But I think the Heat are more likely to beat the Bulls. Again I'm thinking from a matchup standpoint. The Bulls may or may not be better then the Heat right now but I don't think they match up great.

Are you getting this from the 0-3 record they have against the Bulls this year? As far as match ups Rose and Wade cancel each other out, Bosh and Boozer cancel each other out (Don't even want to get into this with Heat fans, Boozer EASILY plays as well if not better than Bosh and isn't a pansy) So it comes down to is Lebron better than Lu AND Noah combined, which is no. Especially since Lu plays as good of defense against LBJ as anyone in the league. That is to say, you are never going to shut down Lebron completely, but you can make him slow down a bit. Without the fast break the Heat are not a very impressive offensive team. A lot of times it just looks like playground ball. Bulls also have the best defense in the league, not to mention their records against elite teams are not even close, Bulls are way ahead. So I'm not sure how you can say they don't match up.

Jonathan2323
03-28-2011, 05:22 PM
I can say the same thing, if Bogans, Korver, Watson and Rose are hitting their 3's, you can't handle it.

Miami has more offensive firepower, but the Bulls have the best point differential in the NBA (barely ahead of Miami). And rebounding differential (way, WAY ahead of #2).

Miami is going to have to rebound better in the playoffs.

Heat are 7th in rebounds per game

chicago lulz
03-28-2011, 05:23 PM
You seem to forget that 3 players dont make a series. Playoff is time for team ball.
C.J Watson> Mario Chalmers
Omer Asik>Joel Anthony
Kyle Korver> James Jones
K.Thomas>Big Z
Loul Deng> Mike Miller+Pittman
Keith Bogans=Eddie House
Taj Gibson< hASLEM bUT WHO KNOWS HE IS COMING BACK FROM INJURY.
Ronnie Brewer>Juwan Howard.

Thibs>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spol.

Except this year, playoff rules are 3 on 3, no coaching.

RIPSweetness34
03-28-2011, 05:25 PM
I really do hope the HEAT play the Bulls in the playoffs. I just get the feeling that Rose will have to carry that team and if the HEAT do face the Bulls Wade or 'Bron will contain him and play very physical D on him.

Me too, I want the Bulls to be the team that knocks the 3 Queens out so they can all see where they could have been had they not been so stupid. Had we gotten Lebron or Wade this wouldn't even be a contest, Bulls would be the dominating favorites, yet without them we are shooting for the 1 seed and you guys are in the 3 even with all those big pick ups.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 05:25 PM
Heat are 7th in rebounds per game
I'm not saying they're awful, just that they'll have to be better in the playoffs because that is a major Bulls strength.

theheatles
03-28-2011, 05:26 PM
mario chalmers is a starter when healthy and he is much better than watson, so is bibby while we are at it...i don't remember exactly what happened but when rose and chalmers were playing in the biggest game of their lives, i do recall rose clanking a free throw that could of clinched the national championship title but instead chalmers drains a 3 to go to OT and win...

SteBO
03-28-2011, 05:27 PM
I can say the same thing, if Bogans, Korver, Watson and Rose are hitting their 3's, you can't handle it.

Miami has more offensive firepower, but the Bulls have the best point differential in the NBA (barely ahead of Miami). And rebounding differential (way, WAY ahead of #2).

Miami is going to have to rebound better in the playoffs.
Also valid, but I'm talking elite shooters here. Mike Miller, Eddie House, James Jones, Mike Bibby, are all elite shooters. The only consistent three point shooter you have on your team is Kyle Korver. I only wish our bench was more well-rounded. Alot of our bench scoring depends solely on three point shooting. That's why our bench hasn't been consistently good at all. When Miller and House are off, it hurts our bench. You're bench has guys that do a lot of different things.

Taj Gibson - defends and rebounds
Kurt Thomas - defends and rebounds, toughness
Kyle Korver- elite shooter in this league
Ronnie Brewer- defends, and brings energy
C.J. Watson- energy guy, hits the three occasionally
Omer Asik- rebounds consistently

RIPSweetness34
03-28-2011, 05:28 PM
Heat are 7th in rebounds per game

And the Bulls are 2, so I think what he is saying is that you will get less second chance opportunities against us.

redwhitenblue
03-28-2011, 05:30 PM
And the Bulls are 2, so I think what he is saying is that you will get less second chance opportunities against us.
Somewhat. On the defensive boards they're both very good, top in the NBA, but Miami is horrible at allowing more offensive boards than they grab, while Chicago is quite good at limiting teams to one shot and getting their 2nd chances.

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 05:32 PM
And the Bulls are 2, so I think what he is saying is that you will get less second chance opportunities against us.

Bulls also have the biggest rebound differential.

RIPSweetness34
03-28-2011, 05:33 PM
Somewhat. On the defensive boards they're both very good, top in the NBA, but Miami is horrible at allowing more offensive boards than they grab, while Chicago is quite good at limiting teams to one shot and getting their 2nd chances.

I should have added, and limiting the Bulls to second chance points.

SoxBearsBulls!
03-28-2011, 05:35 PM
mario chalmers is a starter when healthy and he is much better than watson, so is bibby while we are at it...i don't remember exactly what happened but when rose and chalmers were playing in the biggest game of their lives, i do recall rose clanking a free throw that could of clinched the national championship title but instead chalmers drains a 3 to go to OT and win...

So it's Chalmers>Rose is what you're saying?
:facepalm:

Ray_R
03-28-2011, 05:38 PM
Much better, now allow to me to remind you that those statistics are nothing more than a tool. You're bench isn't that much better than MIA's and the Heat play stifling D as well. I get the feeling you're completely downplaying the fact that MIA plays D as well and has more offensive firepower, especially when our three-point shooters are rolling. If the three-point shots fall, particularly by Mike Miller and Eddir House, since James Jones and Mike Bibby have been consistent, plus the chance Haslem comes back, MIA is going to be too much to handle.

If is the Keyword herebut RWB went through this already so we canboth move on

Heat are 7th in rebounds per game
I believe Bulls are second.

Also valid, but I'm talking elite shooters here. Mike Miller, Eddie House, James Jones, Mike Bibby, are all elite shooters. The only consistent three point shooter you have on your team is Kyle Korver. I only wish our bench was more well-rounded. Alot of our bench scoring depends solely on three point shooting. That's why our bench hasn't been consistently good at all. When Miller and House are off, it hurts our bench. You're bench has guys that do a lot of different things.

Taj Gibson - defends and rebounds
Kurt Thomas - defends and rebounds, toughness
Kyle Korver- elite shooter in this league
Ronnie Brewer- defends, and brings energy
C.J. Watson- energy guy, hits the three occasionally
Omer Asik- rebounds consistently

I don't know if I consider Mike Miller a elite shooter anymore he has struggled all season long espicially with his shot.

DaBear
03-28-2011, 05:40 PM
So it's Chalmers>Rose is what you're saying?
:facepalm:

Well considering he said Deng is more valuable than Rose, I would assume.

SteBO
03-28-2011, 05:41 PM
If is the Keyword herebut RWB went through this already so we canboth move on

I believe Bulls are second.


I don't know if I consider Mike Miller a elite shooter anymore he has struggled all season long espicially with his shot.
Thumb is still bothering him in that aspect. He won't be himself this season, that's for sure.

Sir Buckets
03-28-2011, 05:54 PM
now think about this

WADE>rose
LEBRON>bosser
BOSH>noah

what are the bulls going to do when the heat play small ball with wade at the point miller at the SG jones at the SF lebron at the PF and bosh at CWow.

Chi StateOfMind
03-28-2011, 05:57 PM
someone just close this thread cuz all it is bulls fans saying bulls & heat fans saying heat


wait till the playoffs if we even meet then talk

DaBear
03-28-2011, 06:09 PM
now think about this

WADE>rose
LEBRON>bosser
BOSH>noah

what are the bulls going to do when the heat play small ball with wade at the point miller at the SG jones at the SF lebron at the PF and bosh at C

:facepalm:

Please tell me this is a joke?

heatforlife
03-28-2011, 08:44 PM
u know what just shut up see u in the playoffs............

h2r09
03-28-2011, 08:46 PM
I'm not saying they're awful, just that they'll have to be better in the playoffs because that is a major Bulls strength.

and you guys are going to have to get better at not having lebron and wade and bosh in the playoffs, that is a major heat strength

evadatam5150
03-28-2011, 10:39 PM
If Bulls don't win it this year than I say HEAT.. It's the bulls to lose this year but once the heat play together another year and pick up better bench players it will be theirs to lose

LOL.. I'm sorry man but it's really NOT the Bulls to lose.. :speechless:

Again, good team having a great season but that doesn't mean they're the hands on favorite to win it all or that it's theirs to lose.. They're going to be a handful for sure up against any team but I can think of 2 teams in the West that are legitimate contenders and 2 other teams in the East (besides the Bulls) who have a legitimate chance to win it all..

rushh
03-28-2011, 10:56 PM
LOL.. I'm sorry man but it's really NOT the Bulls to lose.. :speechless:

Again, good team having a great season but that doesn't mean they're the hands on favorite to win it all or that it's theirs to lose.. They're going to be a handful for sure up against any team but I can think of 2 teams in the West that are legitimate contenders and 2 other teams in the West (besides the Bulls) who have a legitimate chance to win it all..

Agreed, the Bulls have surprised us all including their own fans with the way they've played... we all thought they would be top 4 in the east for sure but not #1. They are hot right now but playoffs is completely different; way more intense games and to be quite honest this team doesn't have the playoff experience as of yet... if they get the #1 seed they will have a great chance to make it to ECF and will be a matchup nightmare for some of the east's elite teams. As for the West, LA is the team to beat right now, Spurs have fallen with Manu and Duncan out. An LA vs Chi NBA finals would be amazing, but again the bulls have their hands full and need to prove everyone that they can get there first

nickdymez
03-28-2011, 11:01 PM
and you guys are going to have to get better at not having lebron and wade and bosh in the playoffs, that is a major heat strength

Again, whats bosh done in the playoffs???

fin_frenzy_84
03-28-2011, 11:02 PM
Im staying out of this one lol

JB0B0
03-28-2011, 11:04 PM
Another Bulls-Heat thread? What's new? lol honestly this is a toss up. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bulls or Heat win a ship.

marlinsfan24
03-28-2011, 11:12 PM
Again, whats bosh done in the playoffs???


Another Bulls-Heat thread? What's new? lol honestly this is a toss up. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bulls or Heat win a ship.

I am going to agree with these two posts and not even bother with the rest of the thread as it obviously will be a mess.

jkcronyn
03-28-2011, 11:15 PM
i think the heat will be the mavs basically

unleashthebeast
03-28-2011, 11:23 PM
The real question should be who wins first lebron or rose? I don't see why the bulls wouldn't be favored. They are the best team in the east and have beaten the spurs and Lakers this season. The heat can't beat winning teams and will lose to the Celtics in the second round. Bulls can still upgrade at sg in the offseason.

thats awesome. u know who else has done that? lol,im actually surprised that this thread has stayed relatively mature so far, :up: guys!. but i gotta go with the heat, how can u go against a team that has 2 of the top 5 pplayers in the world?

CowboysKB24
03-28-2011, 11:32 PM
Neither

CowboysKB24
03-28-2011, 11:34 PM
The real question should be who wins first lebron or rose? I don't see why the bulls wouldn't be favored. They are the best team in the east and have beaten the spurs and Lakers this season. The heat can't beat winning teams and will lose to the Celtics in the second round. Bulls can still upgrade at sg in the offseason.

You mean, who wins first Wade or Rose?

It is Wade's team. He is the best player on the Heat. He is the leader of the team and the king of Miami.

As for the thread, I would bet my money on the Heat, but wouldn't be surprised if it was Chicago. Their defense is the best. They need an offensive spark off the bench. They should have held onto Ben Gordon or go after a guy like J.R. Smith.

godolphins
03-28-2011, 11:34 PM
Heat obviously :D
So far 99 Bulls fan voted on the poll

CowboysKB24
03-28-2011, 11:47 PM
thats awesome. u know who else has done that? lol,im actually surprised that this thread has stayed relatively mature so far, :up: guys!. but i gotta go with the heat, how can u go against a team that has 2 of the top 5 pplayers in the world?

I can understand why people are going against it. They don't mesh well together at all and it's obvious. I chose the Heat, but wouldn't be shocked if Bulls won first. Wade and LBJ are just too similar of playing styles.

marlinsfan24
03-28-2011, 11:50 PM
I can understand why people are going against it. They don't mesh well together at all and it's obvious. I chose the Heat, but wouldn't be shocked if Bulls won first. Wade and LBJ are just too similar of playing styles.

Really? Do you only watch when they struggle?

Sadds The Gr8
03-28-2011, 11:57 PM
hopefully neither

Jewelz0376
03-29-2011, 12:01 AM
dam can you imagine if the Bulls meet the Heat in the playoffs....This forum is guna be crazy :laugh2:

Sadds The Gr8
03-29-2011, 12:02 AM
dam can you imagine if the Bulls meet the Heat in the playoffs....This forum is guna be crazy :laugh2:

i know omfg. gonna be infraction/ban hell

justinnum1
03-29-2011, 12:03 AM
I can understand why people are going against it. They don't mesh well together at all and it's obvious. I chose the Heat, but wouldn't be shocked if Bulls won first. Wade and LBJ are just too similar of playing styles.

you obviously havent watched a heat game in the last few weeks

CowboysKB24
03-29-2011, 12:04 AM
Really? Do you only watch when they struggle?

Do you watch them? At the end of close games, it is Wade and LBJ trading off isolations plays. It affects the flow of the offense for the other players. Instead of one guy getting 25 shots a game, they have two. Then you add Bosh in. The bench and role players have a difficult time incorporating themselves in the offense.

The film and stats prove it. Heat really only struggle against elite teams. Of course they dominate the average teams. Watch the games against elite teams. It is clearly shown.

CowboysKB24
03-29-2011, 12:06 AM
you obviously havent watched a heat game in the last few weeks

Yes, I have.

Knicks - lost
Orlando - lost
Bulls - lost
Portland - lost
Lakers - won
Memphis - won
SA - won
OKC - lost
ATL, Den, Detriot, Phila, Houston - won

SA, ORL and LA are the only two elite teams the Heat beat this year. Do you watch the games?

CowboysKB24
03-29-2011, 12:10 AM
I'm not hating on the Heat, I chose them over the Bulls. But it is what it is. They have struggled against great teams. Don't get me wrong, I think they have a good shot at making it to the finals, but so do Celtics, Bulls and Magic.

JasonJohnHorn
03-29-2011, 09:59 AM
The two most important positions in basketball (IMO) are point guard and center. You can get by without one, but you cant get by without both.

The Bulls first three rings came with a vet center and a solid back up, while Paxon (pg in name only) did do one thing PGs need to do: shoot well. The second three saw them missing a center, but Rodman, Pippen and Jordan compensated for the rebounding. At PG they have size and scoring because they threw a shooting guard in there.

The current Bulls roster has both a center and a PG. They also have depth and an all-star PF.

The Heat have three all-stars but none are a PG and none are a center.

Gasol
Gasol
Perk/Rondo
Duncan/Parker
Shaq
Big Ben/Billups
Shaq
Duncan/Robinson
Thomas/Laimnbere
Magic/Kareem
Parish/Johnson
Moses/Cheeks
Dennis Johnson/Jack Sikma
Unseld
Bill Walton

I mean seriously, look how far back you go, unless you got a guy named Jordan on your team, you NEED a pg and/or a center

Of course... having a guy named LBJ may be an exception as well? No... they need the rebounding and defense and shooting at PG (though they really dont need a ball handler that bad, just a decent one since wade and james handle the ball).

so yeah, going by trends in the league, I'll say CHICAGO!!!!

Mr Haha
03-29-2011, 10:21 AM
Bulls. Heat never win one. Not one.

jetsforever
03-29-2011, 10:23 AM
Well Cleveland's owner promised me the Cavs would win before the Heat. Since that is about 18 years from being possible, I guess I will go with the Bulls.

In all honesty, I think the Bulls (and kind of hope) win the championship this year. Just have a feeling.

RIPSweetness34
03-29-2011, 03:56 PM
Heat obviously :D
So far 99 Bulls fan voted on the poll

Are you coming to this conclusion based on their records against playoff caliber teams, or the season series against each other? And we already knew there were more Bulls fans then Heat fans, you didn't need to point that out considering Miami is one of the worst sports towns in the nation. Might as well be SoCal with the exception of the Lakers or Dodgers when they are good.

h2r09
03-29-2011, 06:34 PM
Again, whats bosh done in the playoffs???

again, what has rose, noah, and deng done in the playoffs?

Jewelz0376
03-29-2011, 06:40 PM
Are you coming to this conclusion based on their records against playoff caliber teams, or the season series against each other? And we already knew there were more Bulls fans then Heat fans, you didn't need to point that out considering Miami is one of the worst sports towns in the nation. Might as well be SoCal with the exception of the Lakers or Dodgers when they are good.

:mad:

Some of us are loyal even when they are bad...The raiders sure as hell haven't been a powerhouse of late lol

h2r09
03-29-2011, 06:49 PM
:mad:

Some of us are loyal even when they are bad...The raiders sure as hell haven't been a powerhouse of late lol

and you had several blackouts this year

goose15
03-29-2011, 06:50 PM
I hope neither do, I voted for Miami.

Ethix11
03-29-2011, 07:04 PM
Say what you want about the Heat but they are just too much in a 7 game series. The Bulls will be predictable while the Heat can be if they absolutely have to.

pd1dish
03-29-2011, 07:22 PM
Bulls. because we are winning it THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fireworld
03-29-2011, 10:01 PM
I say Heat, but I want Chicago to win first. The Truth.

MJ-BULLS
06-27-2012, 11:35 PM
do not bump old threads.