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kblo247
03-27-2011, 08:03 PM
This was just on NBA Gametime, where they did a segment with that title, broke it down and gave their own definition of clutch.

The scenario is: Since 06-07, Last 10 Seconds of 4th Quarter / Overtime, Tied or Down 1-3

Wade
FG - 5/43 (11.6%)
3 Point FG - 2/17 (11.8%)
Free Throws - 10/12 (83.3%)
Total Points - 22

LeBron
FG - 9/41 (22.0%)
3 Point FG - 1/21 (4.85%)
Free Throws - 12/15 (80.0%)
Total Points - 31

Kobe
FG - 13/37 (35.1%)
3 Point FG - 4/16 (25%)
Free Throws - 7/11 (63.6%)
Total Points - 37

*Noted Kobe's teammates are 6/30 (20%) in that same time span for those wondering but didn't note Wade's or LeBron's

What are your thoughts on those stats?

kblo247
03-27-2011, 08:08 PM
They just said "here is the shocker, the best in the league is Dirk, and here are his numbers"

FG - 11/24 (45.8%)
3 Point FG - 2/8 (25.05)
Free Throws - 0/0
Total Points - 24

ManRam
03-27-2011, 08:22 PM
Henry Abbot and Alok Pattani has

Dirk at 38.5%
LeBron at 33.3%
Kobe at 31.3%

From the field, trailing by one or two points, or tied, in the final 24 seconds of regular-season and playoff games...this is for their entire careers.

Carmelo was by far the highest almost at 50%. CP3 was way up there too at 45%.

Wade wasn't on the list...presumably low. That was midway through this season.

swirl54
03-27-2011, 08:22 PM
Dirk is a beast

lakers4sho
03-27-2011, 08:23 PM
Last 10 seconds I would definitely take Kobe over LeBron and Wade because he can make the shot from anywhere. But last 5 minutes would be something else.

kblo247
03-27-2011, 08:25 PM
I knew Dirk was a fool from watching him and his shot late in games, but I didn't know he shot like that when it was game time at all

Chi StateOfMind
03-27-2011, 08:25 PM
ill take kobe for three please

dwadefan03
03-27-2011, 08:26 PM
i think wades percentages are so low because he had such crappy teammates for years that people would triple team him at the end of games. inside five min i would take wade but with a couple sec. left i would take kobe

tron
03-27-2011, 08:26 PM
Sorry but LeBron and Wade are on "closer" probation until further notice. This is Kobe by default.

Try Rose and Kobe.

IamKaiserSoze
03-27-2011, 08:27 PM
interesting. i would have gone with kobe. but i thought wade should be given the chance to take the big shot instead of lebron with the heat. might have to reconsider that.

uptown0364
03-27-2011, 08:29 PM
Derrick Rose is better than all of them

kblo247
03-27-2011, 08:30 PM
interesting. i would have gone with kobe. but i thought wade should be given the chance to take the big shot instead of lebron with the heat. might have to reconsider that.

I felt the same way, but I also have to change that and say give it to LeBron, but neither should be overly 3 happy it seems.

It was just an interesting segment to me because that was the first time I had ever heard NBA TV themselves give a definition and scenario as to what they define as being clutch to close a game. We've all heard from ESPN, 82 games, and so on, but this was the first time NBA TV did it that I remember

dwadefan03
03-27-2011, 08:32 PM
Derrick Rose is better than all of them

lol

kblo247
03-27-2011, 08:32 PM
For reference the 6 FG makes by Kobe's teammates in that span were by Fisher according to Fein so he literally went through a period from 06-07 to Fisher returned in 07-08 where no one hit. That **** is amazing to me and says something about D.Fish

Afridi786
03-27-2011, 08:32 PM
You want someone who can consistently make a jumper to be a closer, you can't rely on the refs and free throws to always win games for you. That's why you take Kobe.

lakers4sho
03-27-2011, 08:39 PM
Did they show Melo's stats?

PhillyFaninLA
03-27-2011, 08:46 PM
I'll take Lebron for the first 46 minutes (over anyone in the league) and Wade for the last 2.

I don't care how good or clutch Kobe is I'd rather have a porcupine enema than do anything involving Kobe.

kblo247
03-27-2011, 08:46 PM
Did they show Melo's stats?

Nope.

The segment was title Wade, LeBron, or Kobe to close a Game. They talked about which one was more clutch, showed those 3, and then said but here is the shocker and league leader, Dirk and his numbers.

I was expecting Melo if they showed Dirk since I know 82 games and ESPN have both mentioned him in the past, but NBA TV didn't cover him, just the 4 I mentioned. And as said they only noted that Kobe's teammates were 6/30 in that scenario in the same span and that all 6 makes belong to Fisher (who returned the season after). Nothing else noted

EaglesJackson10
03-27-2011, 08:54 PM
Not Lebron is the easy answer.

ldawg
03-27-2011, 08:56 PM
Not Lebron is the easy answer.very very very good answer. ill go with either Wade, Kobe or Rose

Jewelz0376
03-27-2011, 08:57 PM
Lebron you should NEVER take 3s with the game on the line...dear god :laugh2:

What makes Lebron's shoot % from 3 even worse is that the defenders always play him for the drive down the stretch too, so he's getting a cleaner look..(unless a 3 is needed to tie obviously)

MinnesotaMagic
03-27-2011, 09:01 PM
I'd take Kobe over any of them... including Rose.

drobe86
03-27-2011, 09:16 PM
I'll take Dirk for 1000.... But if i'm picking off of this list I would pick Wade. Kobe this year has declined and lacks explosiveness... But Kobe was the ultimate closer in his prime...

Avenged
03-27-2011, 09:23 PM
Kobe would be a lot better if he had better shot selection down the stretch. The guy is clutch, that's a given. But his shot selection is a little off and the degree of difficulty on his shots is what really brings him down. Decent 3 point % as compared to Wade and Lebron though, not surprised on that regard. I am surprised to see Bron shooting his FT's better than Kobe (said this in the Lakers forum).

kblo247
03-27-2011, 09:27 PM
Kobe would be a lot better if he had better shot selection down the stretch. The guy is clutch, that's a given. But his shot selection is a little off and the degree of difficulty on his shots is what really brings him down. Decent 3 point % as compared to Wade and Lebron though, not surprised on that regard. I am surprised to see Bron shooting his FT's better than Kobe (said this in the Lakers forum).

I will say that last year was the best combination of shot selection from Kobe and situations drawn up from Phil that I had seen consistently during a season. There wasn't as many crazy shots and there wasn't as many predictable looks coming out of that line for a fadeaway. There were many variations. So I agree with you.

LA_Raiders
03-27-2011, 09:29 PM
Kobe has cold blood. He is the man to take the last shot

still1ballin
03-27-2011, 09:30 PM
I think Rose should now be in the discussion.

kblo247
03-27-2011, 09:37 PM
I think Rose should now be in the discussion.

Poor guy wasn't there in 06-07 :p

I'd like to see it though for last year to now since I can't hold rookie numbers against him

sixer04fan
03-27-2011, 09:43 PM
To close a game, if I had the choice: Kobe > Wade > Lebron

Appstate2012
03-27-2011, 09:53 PM
Sorry but LeBron and Wade are on "closer" probation until further notice. This is Kobe by default.

Try Rose and Kobe.


"Closer probation":D

allSUAVE
03-27-2011, 09:56 PM
Kobe or Melo by default

ElMarroAfamado
03-27-2011, 10:14 PM
Kobe because he can make jumpers. The other two need the refs to give em free throws or to get a wide open lane to dunk or layup.

ElMarroAfamado
03-27-2011, 10:15 PM
Not Lebron is the easy answer.

hahahaha
:clap:

Kevj77
03-27-2011, 10:37 PM
Did they show Melo's stats?They showed these exact same stats on ESPN with Melo a couple weeks ago. Melo was behind Dirk and above Kobe. Kobe was 3rd.

This also shows why I hate stats to some degree and definately don't live by them. Stats can be adjusted by staticians to support or deny claims as they see fit.

Is clutch less then 10 seconds tied or down by 3, a close game with less then 2 minutes left, less then 5 minutes, tied or down by 2 with less then 24 seconds left like Henry Abbot uses to discredit Kobe, or something else? Is the sample an entire career or just the last few years? The results will vary depending on the criteria used to define clutch and the sample size.