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Bruno
03-25-2011, 06:32 AM
Out of these four elite guards, which two will be selected to the 2010-2011 All NBA First-Team?. Multiple votes permitted, only select two out of the four options! All votes public/visible.


Kobe Bryant: 8 First-Team selections ('02, '03, '04, '06, '07, '08, '09, '10).
-Bryant Accolade Reference (link) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)

Los Angeles Lakers: 51-20 (0.72) [11 games remaining].
-NBA Standings (link) (http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Cnf.html?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)

PER: 23.7.
WS: 8.9.
WS/48: 0.178.
TS%: .548.

FG: 45.4%.
3-FG%: 32.6%.
FT%: 83%.
FTAPG: 6.8.

PPG: 24.9.
RPG: 5.2
APG: 4.8
SPG: 1.2
BPG: 0.1
TO's: 2.9
MPG:33.9
-Bryant stats (link) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)


Dwyane Wade: 2 First-team selections (2009, 2010).
-Wade Accolade Reference (link) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwyane_Wade?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)

Miami Heat: 49-22 (0.69) [11 games remaining].
-NBA Standings (link) (http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Cnf.html?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)

PER: 25.1
WS: 10.7
WS/48: 0.206
TS%: .576

FG: 49.7%
3-FG%: 31.3%
FT%: 74.5%
FTAPG: 8.6

PPG: 25.4
RPG: 6.5
APG: 4.4
SPG: 1.5
BPG: 1.0
TO's: 3.1
MPG: 37.2
-Wade stats (link) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)


Derrick Rose: Zero First-Team Selections (Drafted in '08, R.O.Y., 2x All-star).
-Rose Accolade Reference (link) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_rose?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)

Chicago Bulls: 51-19 (0.73) [12 games remaining].
-NBA Standings (link) (http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Cnf.html?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)

PER: 23.3.
WS: 10.8.
WS/48: 0.201.
TS%: .540.

FG: 44%.
3-FG%: 34%.
FT%: 84.7%.
FTAPG: 6.4.

PPG: 24.9.
RPG: 4.2.
APG: 7.8.
SPG: 1.1.
BPG: 0.6.
TO's: 3.4.
MPG: 37.4.
-Rose stats (link) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01.html?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)


Chris Paul: 1 First-team selection (2009).
-Paul Accolade Reference (link) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paul?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)

New Orleans Hornets: 41-31 (0.57) [10 games remaining].
-NBA Standings (link) (http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Cnf.html?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)

PER: 24.5.
WS: 13.3.
WS/48: 0.252.
TS%: .593.

FG: 47%.
3-FG%: 40.5%.
FT%: 89%.
FTAPG: 5.1.

PPG: 16.4.
RPG: 4.0.
APG: 9.8.
SPG: 2.4.
BPG: 0.1.
TO's: 2.3.
MPG: 36.1.
-Paul stats (link) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html?
ls=gt2hp0021001053)

Discuss! If there are errors in the above information please let me know.

psperry34116
03-25-2011, 07:13 AM
Kobe and DRose. People wont stop giving Kobe 1st team til he retires and Rose will be MVP, so there is no way he can be left out.

goose15
03-25-2011, 07:39 AM
Kobe - Rose

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-25-2011, 08:28 AM
kobe and d-rose

Jetsguy
03-25-2011, 09:04 AM
Kobe and D Rose

Hawkeye15
03-25-2011, 09:09 AM
I absolutely love Derrick Rose, and watching him play.

That being said, if he wins MVP, and is 1st team All NBA, and 1st team all Defense, I am going to throw up on myself.

I hate the perimeter of the all defensive team most years. As I said in another thread, it SHOULD be

Rondo
Ronnie Brewer
Iggy
KG
Dwight

Flash3
03-25-2011, 09:10 AM
kobe-wade

SteBO
03-25-2011, 10:03 AM
Rose-Wade

Kobe deserves it as well, but Wade's my guy.

king4day
03-25-2011, 10:13 AM
Rose should be in everyones votes. From there it's a tossup but I put Kobe.

mrs rose
03-25-2011, 10:25 AM
kobe- dwyane wade

JordansBulls
03-25-2011, 10:28 AM
Kobe and DRose. People wont stop giving Kobe 1st team til he retires and Rose will be MVP, so there is no way he can be left out.

Pretty much this. However I do think Wade may deserve it over Kobe. Kobe currently is 3rd on his team in win shares, and while many may not like the stat, the fact is, is the guys ahead of him on his team in that department won't be higher than 3rd team all nba.
Whereas at least with Wade although 2nd on his team in win shares is getting beat out by another 1st team all nba member.

Rocketsfan85
03-25-2011, 10:42 AM
Kobe n Wade

nitric
03-25-2011, 11:53 AM
Rose - Kobe

Tarheels23
03-25-2011, 11:57 AM
Should be Kobe and Wade, probably will be Kobe & Rondo

NYKalltheway
03-25-2011, 12:00 PM
Wade & Rose. Kobe has been there enough times already :p

mikealike305
03-25-2011, 12:04 PM
would like to say wade and rose but kobe will get it....


and i kinda voted for every option lol, didnt kow that was possible

nitric
03-25-2011, 12:09 PM
Should be Kobe and Wade, probably will be Kobe & Rondo

Did you go back in time to the start of the season?

Minimal
03-25-2011, 12:13 PM
Should be Kobe & Wade

Tarheels23
03-25-2011, 12:32 PM
Did you go back in time to the start of the season?

My bad, I thought it said All defense 1st team. Wade and Kobe.

Bravo95
03-25-2011, 12:48 PM
Bryant and Rose.

pebloemer
03-25-2011, 12:54 PM
I took Wade and Rose. Although I could see Kobe making it in Wade's place. If Rose is MVP, logic would put him on All NBA first team as well.

~Iggy~
03-25-2011, 12:58 PM
Rose seems to be a near lock considering his frontrunner status in the MVP race. Second place should be Wade's but Bryant could sneak up and take it.

Bruno
03-25-2011, 07:37 PM
would like to say wade and rose but kobe will get it....

and i kinda voted for every option lol, didnt kow that was possible

Did you read the first paragraph of the OP, or notice the (2) in the thread title?

Bruno
03-25-2011, 07:39 PM
Pretty much this. However I do think Wade may deserve it over Kobe. Kobe currently is 3rd on his team in win shares, and while many may not like the stat, the fact is, is the guys ahead of him on his team in that department won't be higher than 3rd team all nba.
Whereas at least with Wade although 2nd on his team in win shares is getting beat out by another 1st team all nba member.

I think Wade has a case over Kobe. I just don't see him taking the spot over Kobe unless the Heat finish with a better record than LA.

The WS argument is an interesting one; I think it holds weight. But if that didn't help get Odom into the ASG over a guy like Blake (Odom is killing him in WS), I don't see it effecting Kobes chances for the all-nba first team.

knightstemplar
03-25-2011, 07:40 PM
kobe and wade

Ebbs
03-25-2011, 07:42 PM
I want to say Rose and Wade. Based off stats and general play. But Wade has been laying some ugly games lately with poor game management and Kobe has been stepping up.

Bruno
03-25-2011, 07:58 PM
I think Wade has a case over Kobe. I just don't see him taking the spot over Kobe unless the Heat finish with a better record than LA.

The WS argument is an interesting one; I think it holds weight. But if that didn't help get Odom into the ASG over a guy like Blake (Odom is killing him in WS), I don't see it effecting Kobes chances for the all-nba first team.

*WS/48.

I gotta say I feel bad for Chris Paul. I knew he wasn't going to get that many votes, but it would have been absurd for me to leave him off the options list considering his dominant advanced stats; the Hornets are still 7th in the west as well.

IMO this year the first-team and second-team guards will be nearly interchangeable regarding the impacts they've had on their teams; too close to call man. That's why I think reputation will get Bryant the vote here, along with Rose who will be MVP. Again, not because Wade or Paul don't have arguments- they do, strong ones.

Cano4prez
03-25-2011, 08:06 PM
Unfortunately Wade will prob get snubbed

LakersA's49ers
03-25-2011, 08:45 PM
rose and mamba

ChI_ShIzzLe
03-25-2011, 09:17 PM
Rose & Wade

They've been ballin all season long.

Lake_Show2416
03-26-2011, 06:32 AM
the MVP should be a lock for 1st team, so Rose is in and I don't see how Wade can be picked over Kobe as the 2nd option on a team with a worse record. Kobe doesnt do 2nd All NBA anymore ha.

ChicagooooBulls
03-26-2011, 08:12 AM
wade and rose all day!!!!!.

Antipod
03-26-2011, 08:59 AM
Rose - Wade should be in it, but the way Kobe/LAL are treated by the league, he`ll get it.

todu82
03-26-2011, 09:24 AM
Derrick Rose and Dwayne Wade

marlinsfan24
03-26-2011, 10:53 AM
Dwyane Wade is used to getting snubbed by the media for awards he deserves, it's going to be Rose and Kobe.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
03-26-2011, 12:43 PM
Kobe will always be on the first team and until he retires and D-Rose is going to be the MVP.

disgruntledbull
03-26-2011, 01:02 PM
I absolutely love Derrick Rose, and watching him play.

That being said, if he wins MVP, and is 1st team All NBA, and 1st team all Defense, I am going to throw up on myself.

I hate the perimeter of the all defensive team most years. As I said in another thread, it SHOULD be

Rondo
Ronnie Brewer
Iggy
KG
Dwight

yeah one of deng or brewer need to be on the list

Chacarron
03-26-2011, 01:11 PM
It will be Kobe and Rose, but it should be Paul and Wade.

footballer2369
03-26-2011, 03:16 PM
the MVP should be a lock for 1st team, so Rose is in and I don't see how Wade can be picked over Kobe as the 2nd option on a team with a worse record. Kobe doesnt do 2nd All NBA anymore ha.

By this logic it needs to be Rose and Manu...

Dallas Tx4Life
03-26-2011, 03:21 PM
Rose and Wade... But since mainstream America isn't finished slobbing on Kobe's knob, he'll get it.

thekmp211
03-26-2011, 04:21 PM
It will be Kobe and Rose, but it should be Paul and Wade.

this

Avenged
03-26-2011, 05:52 PM
Cp3 and Wade.

rabueed
03-26-2011, 06:03 PM
What's annoying is that heat fans come in here and complain about Kobe Bryant.

Support your player, that's fine. Don't come in here and make rude statements about another player just because he's in contention against one of yours. It's immature, disrespectful to the player talked about (guy deserves more credit than any of you give him), and worst of all, it gets other posters riled up and ruins another thread that has the potential to be a good discussion. It's just plain dumb.

On that note, I agree that it should be Wade-Rose, but it will probably end up being Kobe-Rose. 1 big reason is that the media won't choose 2 players from the same team that is "underachieving" and isn't considered by most to be a top 3 team in the NBA.

Lake_Show2416
03-26-2011, 06:47 PM
Cp3 and Wade.

2nd Team.....

marlinsfan24
03-26-2011, 08:35 PM
What's annoying is that heat fans come in here and complain about Kobe Bryant.

Support your player, that's fine. Don't come in here and make rude statements about another player just because he's in contention against one of yours. It's immature, disrespectful to the player talked about (guy deserves more credit than any of you give him), and worst of all, it gets other posters riled up and ruins another thread that has the potential to be a good discussion. It's just plain dumb.

On that note, I agree that it should be Wade-Rose, but it will probably end up being Kobe-Rose. 1 big reason is that the media won't choose 2 players from the same team that is "underachieving" and isn't considered by most to be a top 3 team in the NBA.

Love how you call out Heat fans when people have been doing that same shot to us all season. Keep up the double standard PSD.

Bruno
03-26-2011, 08:40 PM
Love how you call out Heat fans when people have been doing that same shot to us all season. Keep up the double standard PSD.

Both fan bases are guilty of the same offenses here, it's no secret.

It would be nice if posters could create factual arguments for the players they support, rather than dump on the players they dislike for erroneous reasons.

Raps08-09 Champ
03-26-2011, 08:50 PM
I actually really wanted Rose and CP3 since I think they deserve it.

But I voted Rose and Wade but it should have been Rose and Kobe. I voted different from what I really think because that's how it's going to be even though I believe CP3 deserves it both over Kobe and Wade.

Bruno
03-26-2011, 08:57 PM
I actually really wanted Rose and CP3 since I think they deserve it.

But I voted Rose and Wade but it should have been Rose and Kobe. I voted different from what I really think because that's how it's going to be even though I believe CP3 deserves it both over Kobe and Wade.

Right on Raps, that's what you were supposed to do. It's not "who deserves it the most" it's who do you predict to actually win it.

Bulls_fan90
03-26-2011, 09:22 PM
Rose & Kobe.

marlinsfan24
03-26-2011, 11:32 PM
Both fan bases are guilty of the same offenses here, it's no secret.

It would be nice if posters could create factual arguments for the players they support, rather than dump on the players they dislike for erroneous reasons.

:clap:

chitown815
03-27-2011, 12:10 AM
Westbrook>CP3

Cano4prez
03-27-2011, 12:11 AM
Westbrook>CP3

:facepalm:

chitown815
03-27-2011, 12:16 AM
its as logical as Cp3>Rose
or Kobe>Wade (at this point)
or Durant>Lebron
or Lebron>Finishing games

chitown815
03-27-2011, 12:22 AM
:facepalm:

westbrook
22.1 8.3 4.5

CP3
16.4 9.8 4.0

it isnt 2008 anymore

kArSoN RyDaH
03-27-2011, 12:25 AM
Kobe and Rose.

Cano4prez
03-27-2011, 12:28 AM
its as logical as Cp3>Rose
or Kobe>Wade (at this point)
or Durant>Lebron
or Lebron>Finishing games

Don't know if serious.


westbrook
22.1 8.3 4.5

CP3
16.4 9.8 4.0

it isnt 2008 anymore

CP3 is the best PG in the game.

chitown815
03-27-2011, 12:32 AM
how come Rose makes him look dumb head to head everytime they play?
I was joking in the first part, just don't understand the way everyone wants to say Chris Paul over Rose

chitown815
03-27-2011, 12:34 AM
why does westbrook have better #s? Why does the best pg have the #7 seed? Shouldnt he make his team mates better?

sargon21
03-27-2011, 12:38 AM
Rose and Kobe will make it I think.

Cano4prez
03-27-2011, 12:39 AM
Actually Paul has better numbers than Rose and Westbrook, so I don't know what you're talking about.

http://bkref.com/tiny/WR6zJ

Paul does make his teammates better too, the Hornets just aren't on the level of the Bulls or the Thunder good to begin with

Bruno
03-27-2011, 12:47 AM
Westbrook>CP3


how come Rose makes him look dumb head to head everytime they play?
I was joking in the first part, just don't understand the way everyone wants to say Chris Paul over Rose

Most don't think that; look at the poll.


why does westbrook have better #s? Why does the best pg have the #7 seed? Shouldnt he make his team mates better?

If you want to present a factual argument for Westbrook than feel free to do so. If you think he has an argument for the 1st team then lets hear it.

chitown815
03-27-2011, 12:48 AM
Rose doesnt have offense around him either he puts it on his back, paul has better percentage because he doesnt shoot enough

tredigs
03-27-2011, 12:49 AM
Since the answer was "who do you think will make it", I voted Rose and Kobe.

As for who should, that's very, very close. Unlike the MVP vote, this award is much more about individual performance. While solid arguments can be made for Cp3, Kobe, Wade, Rose and Westbrook (understandably omitted despite being every bit as potent as D. Rose), I'd personally vote for Kobe and Wade.

Rose may be the MVP (at this point, barring a Bulls' meltdown or Orlando/Thunder surge, I think he is), but he isn't better than Kobe or Wade. Not yet.

chitown815
03-27-2011, 12:51 AM
I have no argument about first team, I think he is 2nd team with Kobe,

Dwade and DRose are who I picked

SteBO
03-27-2011, 12:54 AM
Derrick Rose and Dwyane Wade got my votes, though I was very stuck on Kobe-Wade. As you can tell by my avy and sig, you see why Wade was one of the guards I chose. :laugh2:

chitown815
03-27-2011, 12:56 AM
Since the answer was "who do you think will make it", I voted Rose and Kobe.

As for who should, that's very, very close. Unlike the MVP vote, this award is much more about individual performance. While solid arguments can be made for Cp3, Kobe, Wade, Rose and Westbrook (understandably omitted despite being every bit as potent as D. Rose), I'd personally vote for Kobe and Wade.

Rose may be the MVP (at this point, barring a Bulls' meltdown or Orlando/Thunder surge, I think he is), but he isn't better than Kobe or Wade. Not yet.

That is very fair, and Chris Paul does not belong there either, but Rose and Westbrook at 22 is amazing...........

Bruno
03-27-2011, 12:56 AM
Since the answer was "who do you think will make it", I voted Rose and Kobe.

As for who should, that's very, very close. Unlike the MVP vote, this award is much more about individual performance. While solid arguments can be made for Cp3, Kobe, Wade, Rose and Westbrook (understandably omitted despite being every bit as potent as D. Rose), I'd personally vote for Kobe and Wade.

Rose may be the MVP (at this point, barring a Bulls' meltdown or Orlando/Thunder surge, I think he is), but he isn't better than Kobe or Wade. Not yet.

I agree. While the MVP favorite (and by default on the 1st team if crowned MVP), he hasn't surpassed Bryant or Wade.


I have no argument about first team, I think he is 2nd team with Kobe,

Dwade and DRose are who I picked

Fair enough. You should check out CP3's advanced stats though. He has RW beat by large margins in PER, TS%, WS, and WS/48. That's not to say that RW hasn't been fantastic; he has.

Bruno
03-27-2011, 01:00 AM
That is very fair, and Chris Paul does not belong there either, but Rose and Westbrook at 22 is amazing...........

Why doesn't he? He's fourth in PER, first in WS, first in WS/48, his team is only 5.5 games behind of the Thunder, and he doesn't have the benefit of playing alongside the leagues leading scorer.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html

Cano4prez
03-27-2011, 01:02 AM
This is a first i've heard someone argue Westbrook>CP3

Avenged
03-27-2011, 01:10 AM
Westbrook is not greater than CP3, if he was then he'd be the #1 point guard in the league and that he is not.

Chronz
03-27-2011, 01:19 AM
I took Wade and Rose. Although I could see Kobe making it in Wade's place. If Rose is MVP, logic would put him on All NBA first team as well.

It wouldn't be the first time an mvp made second team, heck I think the dpoy was once named second team defense though that makes less sense

Chronz
03-27-2011, 01:26 AM
Since the answer was "who do you think will make it", I voted Rose and Kobe.

As for who should, that's very, very close. Unlike the MVP vote, this award is much more about individual performance. While solid arguments can be made for Cp3, Kobe, Wade, Rose and Westbrook (understandably omitted despite being every bit as potent as D. Rose), I'd personally vote for Kobe and Wade.

Rose may be the MVP (at this point, barring a Bulls' meltdown or Orlando/Thunder surge, I think he is), but he isn't better than Kobe or Wade. Not yet.
This is the only the response that matters, the better players should make the cut, that CLEARLY doesn't involve rose.

TrueFan420
03-27-2011, 02:03 AM
Kobe and DRose. People wont stop giving Kobe 1st team til he retires and Rose will be MVP, so there is no way he can be left out.

thought the same thing

TrueFan420
03-27-2011, 02:05 AM
This is the only the response that matters, the better players should make the cut, that CLEARLY doesn't involve rose.

When has logic ever applied to sports voting

sargon21
03-27-2011, 02:33 AM
Rose deserves it every bit as Wade, maybe more so, for what he's done for his team. Wade's stats are not great enough for him to overcome that.

JordansBulls
03-27-2011, 12:57 PM
This is the only the response that matters, the better players should make the cut, that CLEARLY doesn't involve rose.

Except this year you can make a case he has been better than them.

theheatles
03-27-2011, 01:01 PM
Rose deserves it every bit as Wade, maybe more so, for what he's done for his team. Wade's stats are not great enough for him to overcome that.

huh, wades stats are better than roses...rose is getting almost as much undeserved credit for his teams success than tom brady

Cano4prez
03-27-2011, 01:05 PM
Except this year you can make a case he has been better than them.

Not really.

jp611
03-27-2011, 01:10 PM
huh, wades stats are better than roses...rose is getting almost as much undeserved credit for his teams success than tom brady

your ignorance continues to show

FuriousJatt
03-27-2011, 01:10 PM
dnt we have a another thread just like this one?

Bruno
03-27-2011, 08:40 PM
dnt we have a another thread just like this one?

There was a thread asking who deserves to make the first team out of Wade and Kobe (assuming that Rose is a lock), which was made after I made this thread ;)

sargon21
03-27-2011, 09:08 PM
huh, wades stats are better than roses...rose is getting almost as much undeserved credit for his teams success than tom brady

read what I wrote, then comment

mania03
03-28-2011, 12:39 PM
This is the only the response that matters, the better players should make the cut, that CLEARLY doesn't involve rose.

Yepp !