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frankcorrea
03-24-2011, 04:42 PM
Ok this is just my opinion so post yours if you disagree!
Center-Dwight Howard
Power Forward-Serge Ibaka
Small Forward-Ron Artest
Shooting Guard-Kobe Bryant
Point Guard-Rajon Rondo
:cool:

Jewelz0376
03-24-2011, 04:47 PM
C - Dwight
F - KG
F - LBJ
G - Kobe
G - Rondo

king4day
03-24-2011, 04:47 PM
I haven't watched enough of him but I don't see Artest getting SF 1st team over LeBron.

rabueed
03-24-2011, 04:49 PM
Center-Dwight Howard
Power Forward-
Small Forward- Ron Artest
Shooting Guard-
Point Guard-Rajon Rondo

The above is what I agree with.

Power Forward should be KG, IMO. Ibaka is second team.

Shooting Guard I have no idea. It definitelys isn't KB24, though. There are better. Will Kobe get it? Maybe, considering his superstar status. Does he deserve it? I wouldn't say so.

Sadds The Gr8
03-24-2011, 04:49 PM
Dwight
KG
Iggy
Rondo
Paul

and it doesn't have to be in the form C,PF,SF,SG,PG. It's 1 Center, 2 Forwards, 2 Guards

BcEuAbRsS
03-24-2011, 04:49 PM
C-Dylan
PF-Dylan
SF-Dylan
SG-Dylan
PG-Dylan

Cano4prez
03-24-2011, 04:50 PM
Kobe over Wade..?

rabueed
03-24-2011, 04:50 PM
I haven't watched enough of him but I don't see Artest getting SF 1st team over LeBron.

true, Lebron will probably get it because of superstar status. He doesn't deserve it over Ron IMO though.

DreamShake
03-24-2011, 04:51 PM
Center- Dwight Howard
Power forward- Serge Ibaka (probably won't get it though)
Small forward - Lebron James
Shooting guard- Kobe bryant
Point guard- Rajon Rondo or Chris paul

DreamShake
03-24-2011, 04:53 PM
Center- Dwight Howard
Power forward- Serge Ibaka (probably won't get it though)
Small forward - Lebron James
Shooting guard- Kobe bryant
Point guard- Rajon Rondo or Chris paul

BcEuAbRsS
03-24-2011, 04:56 PM
Kobe over Wade..?

I personally dont see it either... But ppl LOVE them some KOBE...

Sportfan
03-24-2011, 04:57 PM
LOL Artest has gone down to a good defender last year, he's really regressed

Gators123
03-24-2011, 04:58 PM
true, Lebron will probably get it because of superstar status. He doesn't deserve it over Ron IMO though.

Yes he does.

theheatles
03-24-2011, 05:00 PM
PG-Rondo
SG-Wade
SF-LeBron
PF-Garnett
C-Dwight

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:00 PM
Yes he does.

I gotta disagree.

Cano4prez
03-24-2011, 05:00 PM
Dwight
KG
LeBron
Wade
Rondo

Cano4prez
03-24-2011, 05:02 PM
I gotta disagree.

Because your a Laker fan, but in reality it's not even close

rhino17
03-24-2011, 05:02 PM
C: Howard
F: Garnett
F: Hayes
G: Sefolosha
G: Rondo

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:03 PM
PG-Rondo
SG-Wade
SF-LeBron
PF-Garnett
C-Dwight

I could see it breaking down like this. If anyone's gonna bump Kobe off the pedestal, it should be the guy that brought about the Lakers loss in their last matchup.

Jewelz0376
03-24-2011, 05:04 PM
I personally dont see it either... But ppl LOVE them some KOBE...

I knew people were going to say this lol...they say this every season..yet every season the coaches vote him to 1st team...

rhino17
03-24-2011, 05:04 PM
Kobe, Lebron, and Wade are not elite defenders, putting them on these teams always has been and always will be a joke

Jewelz0376
03-24-2011, 05:05 PM
Kobe, Lebron, and Wade are not elite defenders, putting them on these teams always has been and always will be a joke

says who?

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:06 PM
Because your a Laker fan, but in reality it's not even close

no, it isn't. I honestly believe Ron Artest is a better defender. If I was being biased, I would say:

C - Bynum
F - Gasol
F - Artest
G - Kobe
G - ...

I can't bring myself to put Fisher on there.



Look at my original listing. I didn't even put Kobe on there. I honestly don't believe Kobe is the best defender at the SG position, and same goes with LeBron at SF.

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:07 PM
Kobe, Lebron, and Wade are not elite defenders, putting them on these teams always has been and always will be a joke

they are elite defenders, but I wouldn't vote them first team. There are better defenders at their positions.

Doesn't mean they aren't among the top 5 in their respective positions.

Boston Fanatic
03-24-2011, 05:07 PM
c- is there anyone else other than dwight howard even possible

pf- KG based on merit alone

sf- grant hill

sg- if it comes down to wade and kobe give me kobe every time

pg- rajon rondo

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:09 PM
c- is there anyone else other than dwight howard even possible

pf- KG based on merit alone

sf- grant hill

sg- if it comes down to wade and kobe give me kobe every time

pg- rajon rondo


Joakim Noah? He wouldn't be a bad choice, and he isn't that far behind.

Boston Fanatic
03-24-2011, 05:10 PM
they are elite defenders, but I wouldn't vote them first team. There are better defenders at their positions.

Doesn't mean they aren't among the top 5 in their respective positions.

the reason why lebron is an elite defender has two factors...firstly he is an athletic freak of nature
secondly he averages 1.8 fouls a game which is a ****in joke but still if refs arent gonna blow the whistle you cant fault him


and kobe and wade are elite defenders becauses they have to consistently play the other teams best shooter/scorer which takes energy and tenacity and what other two shooting guards in the entire league come even close??

Rocketsfan85
03-24-2011, 05:11 PM
I'm surprised ppl aren't saying Rose on the first team all defense lol

Sixerlover
03-24-2011, 05:11 PM
Seriously?

Dwight Howard
Kevin Garnett
Andre Iguodala
Tony Allen
Rajon Rondo

But it will be something like

Rose / Westbrook
Wade / Bryant
James
KG?
Howard more than likely

FuriousJatt
03-24-2011, 05:11 PM
Kobe, Lebron, and Wade are not elite defenders, putting them on these teams always has been and always will be a joke

i agree these guys get highlight material. but they dont do it every possession like some guys do.

the only ppl i can think of that really belong on the first team are: howard and iggy.

rhino17
03-24-2011, 05:13 PM
the reason why lebron is an elite defender has two factors...firstly he is an athletic freak of nature
secondly he averages 1.8 fouls a game which is a ****in joke but still if refs arent gonna blow the whistle you cant fault him


and kobe and wade are elite defenders becauses they have to consistently play the other teams best shooter/scorer which takes energy and tenacity and what other two shooting guards in the entire league come even close??
Are you joking? Wade, Lebron, and ESPECIALLY Kobe NEVER guard the opposing team's best player, what the hell do you think Artest is there for?

Guys that play defense twice a game dont deserve recognition like the guys who play it every night, all game long

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:15 PM
the reason why lebron is an elite defender has two factors...firstly he is an athletic freak of nature
secondly he averages 1.8 fouls a game which is a ****in joke but still if refs arent gonna blow the whistle you cant fault him


and kobe and wade are elite defenders becauses they have to consistently play the other teams best shooter/scorer which takes energy and tenacity and what other two shooting guards in the entire league come even close??


For SG, Tony Allen and Thabo Sefolosha deserve higher praise for their defense than Wade and Kobe.

For SF, I would place Iggy, Artest, and Battier over Lebron.

and those are just names off the top of my head.

Jewelz0376
03-24-2011, 05:16 PM
Are you joking? Wade, Lebron, and ESPECIALLY Kobe NEVER guard the opposing team's best player, what the hell do you think Artest is there for?

Guys that play defense twice a game dont deserve recognition like the guys who play it every night, all game long

Answer me this.. lol

If neither Wade or Lebron guard the opposing teams best player (assuming he is a wing)...then who guards them then ?? Chalmers?? Mike MIller??? :laugh2:

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:17 PM
Seriously?

Dwight Howard
Kevin Garnett
Andre Iguodala
Tony Allen
Rajon Rondo

But it will be something like

Rose / Westbrook
Wade / Bryant
James
KG?
Howard more than likely

see, dude, you're trying to be realistic. We can't have that. We have to pick the superstars because they do everything. Everyone else on the team has no purpose. :rolleyes:

What I just wrote is the same BS guideline that's always been followed. :facepalm:

theheatles
03-24-2011, 05:21 PM
Seriously?

Dwight Howard
Kevin Garnett
Andre Iguodala
Tony Allen
Rajon Rondo

But it will be something like

Rose / Westbrook(Rondo)
Wade / Bryant
James
KG?
Howard more than likely

iguodala deserves 1st team but he won't make it, he should get 2nd team though

Boston Fanatic
03-24-2011, 05:22 PM
Seriously?

Dwight Howard
Kevin Garnett
Andre Iguodala
Tony Allen
Rajon Rondo

But it will be something like

Rose / Westbrook
Wade / Bryant
James
KG?
Howard more than likely

you win with tony allen i cant believe i forgot about him he definitely would be the front runner if he played more minutes also i think westbrook is right there with rondo for best defensive point guard in the league

Raph12
03-24-2011, 05:22 PM
PG - Rondo
SG - Iggy
SF - Lebron
PF - Garnett
C - Dwight

JordansBulls
03-24-2011, 05:24 PM
PG - Rondo
SG - Iggy
SF - Lebron
PF - Garnett
C - Dwight

remove Rondo and put Thabo and perhaps put Deng in at Forward over Lebron. Bulls need to have someone on 1st team if 1st in defensive rating and 2nd in opponent ppg.

hugepatsfan
03-24-2011, 05:26 PM
Can Iggy be counted as a guard? I know he starts at SF, but doesn't he play some SG too?

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:27 PM
remove Rondo and put Thabo and perhaps put Deng in at Forward over Lebron. Bulls need to have someone on 1st team if 1st in defensive rating and 2nd in opponent ppg.

see, I was going to say Deng over Artest in my first post but I thought I would get slaughtered by posters for it.

I needed backup. Thank you. ;)

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:28 PM
Can Iggy be counted as a guard? I know he starts at SF, but doesn't he play some SG too?

yeah, he does. But they'll count him as SF because it's based on how many games the player has started at a certain position. HE always starts at SF.

ManRam
03-24-2011, 05:33 PM
I don't know about the other 3 positions, but it has to be Iggy and Howard at SF and C respectively. Iggy is holding SFs to a PER of 9.1 this season and an eFG% .450. Those, especially the PER, are great numbers.

KG probably should get it PF...actually, he should be a lock too.

I'm sure LeBron will get it over Iggy, but Iggy just has been so good this year. PG and SG IDK about. Sure there are a ton of even candidates and some star (Rondo, Paul/Kobe, Wade) will win it.

sargon21
03-24-2011, 05:39 PM
Rondo being on the 1st team would be an absolute joke. He lets people go by him and tries to get steals. That's not defending. Staying in front of your man, and playing good team defense is.

bringinwood
03-24-2011, 05:42 PM
IF Iguodala doesn't make first team all defense, it will be the biggest injustice in a long time...

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:43 PM
IF Iguodala doesn't make first team all defense, it will be the biggest injustice in a long time...

he won't. Simple reason. Not enough superstardom.

Raph12
03-24-2011, 05:44 PM
remove Rondo and put Thabo and perhaps put Deng in at Forward over Lebron. Bulls need to have someone on 1st team if 1st in defensive rating and 2nd in opponent ppg.

No chance, they are the #1 defensive team in the league because of their team defense, not because of any one individual. They'll have guys on the 2nd team at best, Brewer maybe, Deng maybe, but Rondo and Lebron are far more deserving in terms of individual defense.

White_Mike
03-24-2011, 05:48 PM
remove Rondo and put Thabo and perhaps put Deng in at Forward over Lebron. [U]Bulls need to have someone on 1st team if 1st in defensive rating and 2nd in opponent ppg.That argument is so flawed.

And lol @ Deng > Lebron.

rabueed
03-24-2011, 05:50 PM
No chance, they are the #1 defensive team in the league because of their team defense, not because of any one individual. They'll have guys on the 2nd team at best, Brewer maybe, Deng maybe, but Rondo and Lebron are far more deserving in terms of individual defense.

2nd team is going to have the leftovers of the Rondo/Kobe/Wade/Paul situation. Deng will get SF. And Noah will get C.

They may have team defense, but it's still set by defensive players. Look at Boston.

but like I said, 1st team is going to be superstars. Always has been.

Raph12
03-24-2011, 05:59 PM
2nd team is going to have the leftovers of the Rondo/Kobe/Wade/Paul situation. Deng will get SF. And Noah will get C.

They may have team defense, but it's still set by defensive players. Look at Boston.

but like I said, 1st team is going to be superstars. Always has been.

Boston is ground and sky different, their bench's individual defense is horrific and their defense at center is weak. Boston is dominated defensively by KG and Rondo; Ray and Pierce play pretty good man-defense as well.

While Chitown is completely team-oriented, they barely skipped a beat when Noah went down and stayed #1 after Boozer came back. They also have the best defensive bench in the league, all set in motion by Thibideau's defensive sets/schemes.

Noah may get the center position on the 2nd team, but Noah isn't deserving over Bogut.

LebronJamesWest
03-24-2011, 06:09 PM
iguodala gets no love in this league, he should definitely be first team, but i doubt he will

jmcelligott92
03-24-2011, 06:12 PM
I Think deng deserves this just as much as the next guy, hes constantly guarding the opposite teams best player and puts out 40 minutes

rabueed
03-24-2011, 06:12 PM
Boston is ground and sky different, their bench's individual defense is horrific and their defense at center is weak. Boston is dominated defensively by KG and Rondo; Ray and Pierce play pretty good man-defense as well.

While Chitown is completely team-oriented, they barely skipped a beat when Noah went down and stayed #1 after Boozer came back. They also have the best defensive bench in the league, all set in motion by Thibideau's defensive sets/schemes.

Noah may get the center position on the 2nd team, but Noah isn't deserving over Bogut.

so you're saying Boston's defense is more player-oriented and Chicago's defense is more team-oriented (you can't say completely team-oriented)?

Even if that were the case, didn't Noah get the 2nd team all defense last year? I can't recall, but if I'm right, that would mean that the guy knows how to play individual defense. Rose has come a long way defensively as well. Deng has gone from being a pure offensive player to being a well-rounded small forward.

all of that may have resulted from team defense, but it made them excel as individual defenders. If you traded each of these players to different teams, they would hold the same defensive talent IMO.


I could be wrong here, but I think the Bulls deserve some recognition.

SeoulBeatz
03-24-2011, 06:13 PM
C: Howard- Easily the best
PF: Garnett- Still love his intensity.
SF: Iguodala- No SF devotes himself to defense every possession like Iggy does. Lebron>Iggy for this is a joke. Just because Lebron gets a few chasedown blocks on Sportscenter doesn't make him a better defender. GM's agree, Iggy's the best at SF right now.
SG: Tony Allen - Seriously underrated because of his lack of minutes but the guy is an incredibly stingy defender.
PG: Rondo - Definition of a pest on defense, as much as i hate to admit it, he's someone you would love to have defending for you squad.




EDIT: Wow Sixerlover, didn't realize we had the EXACT same line-up. my b

Shammyguy3
03-24-2011, 06:16 PM
Westbrook
Iggy
Deng
Garnett
Howard

Rangers331
03-24-2011, 06:20 PM
PG: Chauncey Billups
SG: Landry Fields
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Amare
C: Turiaf

Before people freak.... It's a joke

Sixerlover
03-24-2011, 06:21 PM
C: Howard- Easily the best
PF: Garnett- Still love his intensity.
SF: Iguodala- No SF devotes himself to defense every possession like Iggy does. Lebron>Iggy for this is a joke. Just because Lebron gets a few chasedown blocks on Sportscenter doesn't make him a better defender. GM's agree, Iggy's the best at SF right now.
SG: Tony Allen - Seriously underrated because of his lack of minutes but the guy is an incredibly stingy defender.
PG: Rondo - Definition of a pest on defense, as much as i hate to admit it, he's someone you would love to have defending for you squad.




EDIT: Wow Sixerlover, didn't realize we had the EXACT same line-up. my b

:laugh2: great minds think alike?

D1JM
03-24-2011, 06:24 PM
Boston is ground and sky different, their bench's individual defense is horrific and their defense at center is weak. Boston is dominated defensively by KG and Rondo; Ray and Pierce play pretty good man-defense as well.

While Chitown is completely team-oriented, they barely skipped a beat when Noah went down and stayed #1 after Boozer came back. They also have the best defensive bench in the league, all set in motion by Thibideau's defensive sets/schemes.

Noah may get the center position on the 2nd team, but Noah isn't deserving over Bogut.

deng holds his opponent to 10.2
lebron holds his opponent to 10.3
pierce holds his opponent to 12.5

lets praise the individual great defenders that ray allen and pierce are :rolleyes:, but not the same system that thibs created in boston. in which lets rondo gamble constantly to try and grab a steal, while garnett or whomever is right there to help rondo out with the help defense.

D1JM
03-24-2011, 06:25 PM
but hasnt iggy played sg almost all season?

Raph12
03-24-2011, 06:26 PM
so you're saying Boston's defense is more player-oriented and Chicago's defense is more team-oriented (you can't say completely team-oriented)?

Even if that were the case, didn't Noah get the 2nd team all defense last year? I can't recall, but if I'm right, that would mean that the guy knows how to play individual defense. Rose has come a long way defensively as well. Deng has gone from being a pure offensive player to being a well-rounded small forward.

all of that may have resulted from team defense, but it made them excel as individual defenders. If you traded each of these players to different teams, they would hold the same defensive talent IMO.


I could be wrong here, but I think the Bulls deserve some recognition.

Noah has always been a hustle guy, he gives it 100%, now that they have the sets/schemes on that end to put him in great position at all times, he looks even better. Deng has always been a pretty good defender, but again, knowing your team is behind you if you make a mistake allows you to be even more aggressive at that end. If you trade them to the Warriors, their defensive stock would plummet and guys would light them up regularly.

Individual defenders are a good way to create good 1v1 defense, but great defensive sets/schemes make avg defenders look better. Although the Bulls have good defenders, Thibideau's system makes them look better than they actually are.

shep33
03-24-2011, 06:27 PM
The New York Knicks

Sixerlover
03-24-2011, 06:28 PM
but hasnt iggy played sg almost all season?

Nope. Jodie Meeks has been the SG for the vast majority of the season. Sometimes Turner started, but mainly Meeks.

theheatles
03-24-2011, 06:28 PM
1st team
Rondo
Wade
LeBron
KG
Dwight

2nd team
Chris Paul
Kobe
Iguodala
Duncan
Noah

tim duncan will make a team because he's tim duncan, he might even even be 1st team over kg according to the voters

Chronz
03-24-2011, 06:31 PM
Are you joking? Wade, Lebron, and ESPECIALLY Kobe NEVER guard the opposing team's best player, what the hell do you think Artest is there for?

Guys that play defense twice a game dont deserve recognition like the guys who play it every night, all game long

You shouldve saw THIS coming


Answer me this.. lol

If neither Wade or Lebron guard the opposing teams best player (assuming he is a wing)...then who guards them then ?? Chalmers?? Mike MIller??? :laugh2:

LMFAO OWNAGE

theheatles
03-24-2011, 06:31 PM
if the bulls get anyone on all defense team it will be noah but it wouldn't shock me if rose gets on 2nd team somehow, due to being the star player on the #1 defense

Chronz
03-24-2011, 06:32 PM
Deng is a great defender, dont care what anyone says he always has been

theheatles
03-24-2011, 06:35 PM
Deng is a great defender, dont care what anyone says he always has been

he is but the 3 is stacked with defensive stoppers

clutchfan
03-24-2011, 06:35 PM
Westbrook
Iggy
Lebron
Hayes
Howard

Lakersfan2483
03-24-2011, 06:37 PM
Point Guard- Rajon Rondo
Shooting Guard- Thabo Sefolosha
Small Forward- Andre Iguodala
Power Forward- Kevin Garnett
Center- Dwight Howard

EaglesJackson10
03-24-2011, 06:41 PM
If Igoudala doesn't get it this year I'm gonna be kind of pissed.

sixer04fan
03-24-2011, 06:41 PM
Iguodala deserves some serious consideration for first team. That's all I'm gonna say, just wanted to throw his hat into the ring.

rabueed
03-24-2011, 06:43 PM
Deng is a great defender, dont care what anyone says he always has been

See, I think Deng is a fantastic defender now. In the past, not so much. I read an article showing the numbers in his improvement on the defensive end over the years. Great article.

Chronz
03-24-2011, 06:46 PM
See, I think Deng is a fantastic defender now. In the past, not so much. I read an article showing the numbers in his improvement on the defensive end over the years. Great article.

Isnt it fair to say hes in his defensive prime now whereas before he was simply a great defender. Hes always all-D worthy, every year the various defensive stats supported him, I have no doubt they all probably risen now that he has a coach who can get the most out of him and put him in a strong system.

Gilly1254
03-24-2011, 06:48 PM
Point Guard- Rajon Rondo
Shooting Guard- Thabo Sefolosha
Small Forward- Andre Iguodala
Power Forward- Kevin Garnett
Center- Dwight Howard

My list exactly bud.

D1JM
03-24-2011, 06:53 PM
Point Guard- Rajon Rondo
Shooting Guard- Thabo Sefolosha
Small Forward- Andre Iguodala
Power Forward- Kevin Garnett
Center- Dwight Howard

this, but i would switch rondo with d will.

Steelers23_06
03-24-2011, 07:01 PM
Are you joking? Wade, Lebron, and ESPECIALLY Kobe NEVER guard the opposing team's best player, what the hell do you think Artest is there for?

Guys that play defense twice a game dont deserve recognition like the guys who play it every night, all game long

so lemme get this straight your saying lebron and wade dont guard the teams best player so who does their best player is a wing? lemme guess we are gonna put bibby on melo if we face them in the first round. i hate when people say stuff that doesnt make sense.

TylerSL
03-24-2011, 07:03 PM
It should go

PG.CP3
SG.Wade
SF.Lebron
PF.KG
C.Howard

but it will go....

PG.Rondo
SG.Kobe
SF.Lebron
PF.KG
C.Howard

rabueed
03-24-2011, 07:22 PM
Isnt it fair to say hes in his defensive prime now whereas before he was simply a great defender. Hes always all-D worthy, every year the various defensive stats supported him, I have no doubt they all probably risen now that he has a coach who can get the most out of him and put him in a strong system.


It's true, he's never really been given the credit he deserves. He was always used as the scapegoat for any of Chicago's woes. He's always been a great talent, but now that Chicago is in the spotlight, it's brought to light more.

Thib's system has definitely made every Chicago player better defensively. Look at Noah, he was considered a great defender. In Thib's system, he's become elite. Deng never had the same consideration though.

J_M_B
03-24-2011, 07:30 PM
I see it playing out this way..

C- Dwight Howard
PF- Kevin Garnett
SF- LeBron James
SG- Dwyane Wade
PG- Rajon Rondo

J_M_B
03-24-2011, 07:31 PM
Kobe, Lebron, and Wade are not elite defenders, putting them on these teams always has been and always will be a joke

Are you serious?

Those guys are superstars because they play on BOTH ends of the floor.

KG21
03-24-2011, 07:40 PM
PG- Rondo / Rose
SG- Shane Battier / Tony Allen / Thabo Sefolosha. You can't get wrong if you pick anyone from those 3.
SF- Iggy / G.Wallace /
PF- KG / Taj Gibson
C- Howard / Noah / Bogut

This team screams Defense!

Jets012
03-24-2011, 08:14 PM
It really should look something like this.

PG- Rondo
SG- Tony Allen
SF- Iguodala
PF- Garnet
C- Dwight Howard

But LeBron and Kobe will probably get in.

Raps08-09 Champ
03-24-2011, 08:19 PM
Artest's defense has decreased a lot.

HuRRiCaNeS324
03-24-2011, 08:28 PM
PG-Rondo
SG-Wade
SF-LeBron
PF-Garnett
C-Dwight

This

Wade is the best shot blocking guard in the NBA by far and i believe he is 3rd in steals for SGs. He can be a lockdown defender as well although he slacks sometimes off the ball.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
03-24-2011, 08:39 PM
PG: Rondo
SG: Kobe
SF: LeBron
PF: KG
C: Howard

X12Celtics3
03-24-2011, 08:42 PM
This

Wade is the best shot blocking guard in the NBA by far and i believe he is 3rd in steals for SGs. He can be a lockdown defender as well although he slacks sometimes off the ball.

And this is why I don't think he deserves to be first team for defense. The all defense team doesn't have to be a bunch of players who only play defense well (no offense), but it should at least be guys who bust their ***** off on defense all the time. Players like Ray Allen can destroy Wade when he is standing around while Allen runs lap around him go open, and that really shouldn't be true of an All NBA first team defensive player.

210Don
03-24-2011, 08:43 PM
timmy has had a great defensive season should be the pf over kg

TYoung21
03-24-2011, 09:08 PM
How is the All-Defensive team voted on?

Iggy should have been 1st or 2nd team for like the past 3 seasons but he never gets any love :(

mrblisterdundee
03-24-2011, 09:15 PM
PG - Rajon Rondo
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - LeBron James
PF - Kevin Garnett
C - Dwight Howard

Don't doubt that the league's best overall can be the best defensively.

P.S.: I'm not saying Rondo is the best point guard. We all know who the best point guard is right now.

Hustlenomics
03-24-2011, 09:22 PM
I like how it's Bulls fans saying Rondo reaches all game and can't defend :laugh2:

Gilly1254
03-24-2011, 10:07 PM
It really should go like this
C- Dwight
PF- D12
SF- Iggy
SG- D. Howard
PG- Superman

But seriously
PG- Rondo
SG- Thabo
SF- IGGY with no doubt about it
PF- KG which is debatable...
C- D12... Noah isnt even close either Bulls fans.

~Iggy~
03-24-2011, 10:19 PM
I see it playing out this way..

C- Dwight Howard
PF- Kevin Garnett
SF- LeBron James
SG- Dwyane Wade
PG- Rajon Rondo

Ditto.

godolphins
03-24-2011, 10:29 PM
PG-Rondo
SG-Wade
SF-LeBron
PF-Garnett
C-Dwigh

sargon21
03-24-2011, 11:06 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't even think Rondo is a good defender?

Jewelz0376
03-24-2011, 11:08 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't even think Rondo is a good defender?

yes

hugepatsfan
03-24-2011, 11:14 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't even think Rondo is a good defender?

You're the only one I've seen who feels that way...

sargon21
03-24-2011, 11:15 PM
yes

fair enough

i guess no one else sees his man beating him consistently and then him try to reach around and knock the ball out...

leaving his big men to clean up his mess

edit: well, i'm not saying he's a bad defender, or a great one, I'm saying he's in between an average to good defender

Chronz
03-24-2011, 11:17 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't even think Rondo is a good defender?

SteveNash (the poster not the person) agrees with you, his coaching staff thinks hes overrated.

hugepatsfan
03-24-2011, 11:18 PM
fair enough

i guess no one else sees his man beating him consistently and then him try to reach around and knock the ball out...

leaving his big men to clean up his mess

edit: well, i'm not saying he's a bad defender, or a great one, I'm saying he's in between an average to good defender

Rondo is widely regarded as the top defensive PG in the NBA. If you disagree w/ that, that's one thing. Defense is hard to quantify, so you would get no argument from me if you feel that way. But I think that he's is definately a great defensive PG, even if you feel that his "title" as the best if exaggerated.

Raph12
03-24-2011, 11:22 PM
fair enough

i guess no one else sees his man beating him consistently and then him try to reach around and knock the ball out...

leaving his big men to clean up his mess

edit: well, i'm not saying he's a bad defender, or a great one, I'm saying he's in between an average to good defender

He has the best defensive numbers of any PG in the league, now if you want to tell me that it's only because of his teammates and the system, I could point that out for Rose's improved defensive numbers as well... Just let it go.

hugepatsfan
03-24-2011, 11:24 PM
He has the best defensive numbers of any PG in the league, now if you want to tell me that it's only because of his teammates and the system, I could point that out for Rose's improved defensive numbers as well... Just let it go.

No need to make this another Rose thread.

Jewelz0376
03-24-2011, 11:24 PM
fair enough

i guess no one else sees his man beating him consistently and then him try to reach around and knock the ball out...

leaving his big men to clean up his mess

edit: well, i'm not saying he's a bad defender, or a great one, I'm saying he's in between an average to good defender

Nope I see him do that...but as quick and athletic as pgs are your not going to find too many that can stay in front of them consistently....

What I also see though is his quick hands, great anticipation, ability to turn opposing pgs multiple times, and his rebounding...

sargon21
03-24-2011, 11:25 PM
Rondo is widely regarded as the top defensive PG in the NBA. If you disagree w/ that, that's one thing. Defense is hard to quantify, so you would get no argument from me if you feel that way. But I think that he's is definately a great defensive PG, even if you feel that his "title" as the best if exaggerated.

Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then... do you see what I'm takling about though, when he let's the offensive player pass, to just try to knock it out once he's gone by?

210Don
03-24-2011, 11:26 PM
am i the only one thinking kg is so overrated???????

sargon21
03-24-2011, 11:27 PM
He has the best defensive numbers of any PG in the league, now if you want to tell me that it's only because of his teammates and the system, I could point that out for Rose's improved defensive numbers as well... Just let it go.

I didn't say what I said to start ****.

It's just something I noticed when watching him, no hating. And I think's it's detrimental to his team. It wouldn't be as big of a deal if they still had Perk back there, but now with him gone, there's more reason to stay in front of your man and not go for that wrap-around steal.

And I've seen his numbers, and Rose has decently close numbers from what I've seen, especially in isolation situations.

sargon21
03-24-2011, 11:29 PM
SteveNash (the poster not the person) agrees with you, his coaching staff thinks hes overrated.

It's not a good sign that that poster agrees with me.

And yeah I've heard what Doc says about him, and I agree with some of it.

Raph12
03-24-2011, 11:33 PM
No need to make this another Rose thread.

Dude haven't you learned yet?... Everything is about Rose :rolleyes:

hugepatsfan
03-24-2011, 11:36 PM
Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then... do you see what I'm takling about though, when he let's the offensive player pass, to just try to knock it out once he's gone by?

He does that, but I don't see it as often as you do. He's definately a gambler. That's why his TOs are high too. His weakness (besides shooting) is overaggresivenes. But again, his defense draws no complaints from me overall. I tend to subscribe to the idea that he is #1 defensively, but I'm a little biased, being a Cs fan and all. I generally don't like to comment on the rankings of my own players for that reason. There are probably some other guys (Hawkeye, Chromz, etc.) that are better judges than myself, even if they don't watch him consistantly.

hugepatsfan
03-24-2011, 11:38 PM
am i the only one thinking kg is so overrated???????

Yes. As I said in my last post, I generally don't like to comment on my own players and their rankings because of bias. But KG is the exception to that, at least on the defensive end. His defense is top notch at the PF spot and I don't see an argument otherwise.

sargon21
03-24-2011, 11:39 PM
He does that, but I don't see it as often as you do. He's definately a gambler. That's why his TOs are high too. His weakness (besides shooting) is overaggresivenes. But again, his defense draws no complaints from me overall. I tend to subscribe to the idea that he is #1 defensively, but I'm a little biased, being a Cs fan and all. I generally don't like to comment on the rankings of my own players for that reason. There are probably some other guys (Hawkeye, Chromz, etc.) that are better judges than myself, even if they don't watch him consistantly.

He certainly is a gambler, and maybe that's why I'm underrating him a bit. I'm also used to watching Rose defend PG's (hate to do it but I brought him up lol) and he almost never gambles and tries to stay in front of his man, and has gotten very good at it... so maybe that's playing a factor in what I'm seeing.

Also, I saw your sig, bout Nate, and I was wondering if you've ever listened to Chris Webby (a somewhat new, white rapper)?

I had him as my profile picture but it's not showing up right now..

hugepatsfan
03-24-2011, 11:42 PM
He certainly is a gambler, and maybe that's why I'm underrating him a bit. I'm also used to watching Rose defend PG's (hate to do it but I brought him up lol) and he almost never gambles and tries to stay in front of his man, and has gotten very good at it... so maybe that's playing a factor in what I'm seeing.

Also, I saw your sig, bout Nate, and I was wondering if you've ever listened to Chris Webby (a somewhat new, white rapper)?

I had him as my profile picture but it's not showing up right now..

Chris Webby? Doesn't ring a bell but I'm gonna look him up right now. I generally like RnB stuff more then hip hop, but Nate's hooks kind of drew me to that genre. I mostly only listen to hip hop w/ an RnB style hook.

Htownballa1622
03-24-2011, 11:42 PM
Idk about first team but.chuck hayes deserves some sort of recognition.

He plays great d.

sargon21
03-25-2011, 12:05 AM
Chris Webby? Doesn't ring a bell but I'm gonna look him up right now. I generally like RnB stuff more then hip hop, but Nate's hooks kind of drew me to that genre. I mostly only listen to hip hop w/ an RnB style hook.

Hmm alright, well he's kind of a white boy, surburbs rapper. But his lyrics are incredibly original and sick. Reminds a little bit of Eminem, but not as talented. If you like Mac Miller, Khalifa, Cudi, you should like him as well.

Hustlenomics
03-25-2011, 01:15 AM
Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then... do you see what I'm takling about though, when he let's the offensive player pass, to just try to knock it out once he's gone by?

he only does that a couple times a game and 90% of the time he pokes the ball out of the defenders hands, try again

Illa215
03-25-2011, 01:22 AM
Andre Iguodala better be 1st team.

Hawkeye15
03-25-2011, 01:23 AM
how the hell does Kobe make some of your lists hahahaha

Rondo
Ronnie Brewer
Iggy
Garnett
Howard


That is what is SHOULD look like.

Here is what it will probably look like

Rondo
Wade
LeBron
Garnett
Howard

hugepatsfan
03-25-2011, 01:35 AM
how the hell does Kobe make some of your lists hahahaha

Rondo
Ronnie Brewer
Iggy
Garnett
Howard


That is what is SHOULD look like.

Here is what it will probably look like

Rondo
Wade
LeBron
Garnett
Howard

So you agree w/ the Rondo defensive praise... Good to hear. I don't like to rank my own players because of bias. It's nice to see a poster I respect put him up that high though.

D1JM
03-25-2011, 05:05 AM
am i the only one thinking kg is so overrated???????

His barking is. He wouldn't even hurt a fly I bet

nolin
03-25-2011, 05:54 AM
Howard
KG
G.Hill
Kobe
Rose

nolin
03-25-2011, 05:59 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't even think Rondo is a good defender?

No i think hes poor defender too. Hes a gambler who gets beat alot. The pg position i really hard to judge. because theres realy no great defensive pg. If he was givin the minutes early in the year i would of went with hinrich.

rabueed
03-25-2011, 06:05 AM
how the hell does Kobe make some of your lists hahahaha

Rondo
Ronnie Brewer
Iggy
Garnett
Howard


That is what is SHOULD look like.

Here is what it will probably look like

Rondo
Wade
LeBron
Garnett
Howard



I agree that Kobe shouldn't be on the list, but be realistic: Based on his status, do you think they'll take him off of this?

psperry34116
03-25-2011, 06:48 AM
I agree that Kobe shouldn't be on the list, but be realistic: Based on his status, do you think they'll take him off of this?

They totally won't, but this is what it should be. Ronnie Brewer has been the most lock down defender at the 2 guard this year.

TheDiggler
03-25-2011, 07:51 AM
In all honesty ... some people take names over defensive ability. So as the League does, too. Grant Hill plays great D f.e. Afflalo, too. So as Dahntay Jones and Raja Bell.

Hawkeye15
03-25-2011, 08:24 AM
Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then... do you see what I'm takling about though, when he let's the offensive player pass, to just try to knock it out once he's gone by?

That is the way they use him though. Boston almost uses him as a free safety, for 2 reasons:

1- They have a great defensive structure surrounding him. The Celtics do what the Bulls do (not quite as well anymore, but the same thing). They funnel penetration into the bigs, or turn them constantly, so now the penetrator must turn his back constantly

2- Rondo is so quick to get back to his man if the ball rotates, his roaming doesn't cause breakdowns. He is also one of the best in the league at getting balls knocked loose

So while it appears he loses his man on many occasions, Rondo is doing what he is supposed to most of the time. Of course there are times he screws up and lets his guy go by with no help behind him, and that is when you see that desperate swipe, but that is unfortunately going to happen once in a while if you want your PG roaming

Hawkeye15
03-25-2011, 08:25 AM
timmy has had a great defensive season should be the pf over kg

no, he shouldn't. In fact, I don't think Duncan, outside of a couple years, has ever been a better defender than KG. And he for sure isn't now.

Hawkeye15
03-25-2011, 08:34 AM
So you agree w/ the Rondo defensive praise... Good to hear. I don't like to rank my own players because of bias. It's nice to see a poster I respect put him up that high though.

On top of watching the way he defends, and how disruptive he is, his opponent counterproduction is very stout, and he is top 55 in the NBA in PPP according to Synergy as well at 0.79

YoungOne
03-25-2011, 08:35 AM
Ibaka 1st all nba defense??? I mean he blocks shots, but other than that he is just over average..

Hawkeye15
03-25-2011, 08:36 AM
I agree that Kobe shouldn't be on the list, but be realistic: Based on his status, do you think they'll take him off of this?

this may finally be the year they take him off, yes. Especially with so many great defenders.

But you make a point, that for some ungodly reason, especially on the wing, name recognition goes a long ways on the all defensive team. Its almost like, once you make it, you have to suck to get removed.

JARVIS123
03-25-2011, 09:01 AM
it could stay the same from last year except one player has to be moved to the second unit kobe over wade are you serious.

PrettyBoyJ
03-25-2011, 09:46 AM
C - Dwight
F - KG
F - LBJ
G - Kobe
G - Rondo

This

Antipod
03-25-2011, 10:06 AM
Locks - Rondo/`Bron/DH... the rest are big question marks.

Rivera
03-25-2011, 10:10 AM
my picks

rondo
iggy
hill
garnett
howard

what i believe the voters will pick

rondo
kobe
lebron
garnett
howard

Flash3
03-25-2011, 10:23 AM
rondo
wade
lebron
garnett
dwight

hugepatsfan
03-25-2011, 11:32 AM
I really wanted to get a Bulls player in here, but I can't really find room. Dwight and KG are locks, based off name recognition AND the fact that they both actually deserve it. Iggy should be the other F, but Lebron will be. Wade/Kobe will get the SG spot (even though I give Tony Allen the nod). Deng deserves a spot on the 2nd, or at least the 3rd team. Noah too. Ronnie Brewer as well, but I can see him having low minutes hurting him here, and I can't say that that's totally unfair either.

tennisoscar1
03-25-2011, 11:45 AM
Definitely need Iguodala in there

Gibby23
03-25-2011, 11:48 AM
LOL Artest has gone down to a good defender last year, he's really regressed

He is top 3 at his position.

footballer2369
03-25-2011, 12:11 PM
Are you joking? Wade, Lebron, and ESPECIALLY Kobe NEVER guard the opposing team's best player, what the hell do you think Artest is there for?

Guys that play defense twice a game dont deserve recognition like the guys who play it every night, all game long

HUH? Who guards the best player on the Heat? Chris Bosh? Don't be ridiculous...

Wade has limited Kobe and the like this year. Lebron has limited Pierce (0-10 FG) and the likke this year. Wade and Lebron also take turns playing elite PGs.

Your premise couldn't be more false.

pebloemer
03-25-2011, 01:24 PM
Here is my first team:

Rondo
Wade
Iggy
Garnett
Dwight

Haven't seen Brewer defend much this year, so I can't comment on the praise he's been getting. Kobe is getting a lot of attention, but I do think Wade is the better defender at this point in their careers. LeBron could easily get the SF spot, but Iggy has stood out defensively much more for me this year. I think Dwight and Rondo are easily locks for their respective positions. the others have more debate within them, but these are my picks.

Honourable mentions for me are all wing defenders: Hill, Battier, James, Allen, Sefolosha, Brewer, Deng, Kobe, Artest.

Bravo95
03-25-2011, 01:37 PM
Howard, Garnett, Hill/Iguodala, Wade/Iguodala, Rondo

kozelkid
03-25-2011, 01:53 PM
I doubt he secures a first team spot, but Luol Deng's name should be tossed around in this mix.

Definitely.
Personally, I'd go Wade, Iggy, Lebron, Deng, Howard.
Brewer and Deng both HAVE to be on one of the all defensive teams. Bulls have been too good defensively all year not to have those 2. If Kobe gets picked over either, it'll be complete crap.

kozelkid
03-25-2011, 02:00 PM
I really wanted to get a Bulls player in here, but I can't really find room. Dwight and KG are locks, based off name recognition AND the fact that they both actually deserve it. Iggy should be the other F, but Lebron will be. Wade/Kobe will get the SG spot (even though I give Tony Allen the nod). Deng deserves a spot on the 2nd, or at least the 3rd team. Noah too. Ronnie Brewer as well, but I can see him having low minutes hurting him here, and I can't say that that's totally unfair either.

Noah won't get it, nor should he. Missed too many games. Honestly, I'd put Taj or even Asik (who has potential to be an elite defender, especially if he gets more minutes) ahead of him for THIS season.
Deng and Brewere HAVE to make it.
Also, there are only 2 lineups for defensive teams. 3 for all-nba.

I could see it as something like this...
Rondo
Wade
Lebron
KG
Howard

Paul
Brewer
Iggy
Deng
Bogut

Either way, as long as there is some combination of these 10 players, I'll be happy.

RowanJournalist
03-25-2011, 02:04 PM
Andre Iguodala is on there without a doubt. If you don't agree, you don't watch him. He shuts down superstar scorers.

haggis
03-25-2011, 02:16 PM
this may finally be the year they take him off, yes. Especially with so many great defenders.

But you make a point, that for some ungodly reason, especially on the wing, name recognition goes a long ways on the all defensive team. Its almost like, once you make it, you have to suck to get removed.

yep.

its the gold glove award for basketball. once your named, you have to royally suck in order to be taken off. see: derek jeter.

BSplaya2121
03-25-2011, 02:24 PM
I personally dont see it either... But ppl LOVE them some KOBE...

I agree, but I see kobe more than Wade, only because of the dozen Heat games ive seen this year, Wade has been good, but Ive seen him fall asleep on D every once and a while and i believe if your on the first team, you cant do that.

cbritz4
03-25-2011, 07:51 PM
g- rondo
g- iggy
f- gerald wallace
f- kg
c- d howard

this team would would lock up any team u put against them

cubbybear2290
03-25-2011, 08:35 PM
IMO The All-Defensive team should be
Center-Dwight Howard
Forward-Tayshaun Prince
Forward-Andre Iguodala
Guard-Thabo Sefolosha
Guard-Rajon Rondo

An article I read had a bunch of numbers on how Tayshaun is still far and away the best defensive SF. I wish I could remember where I read it (link) because it's really interesting, o well (shrug)

theheatles
03-25-2011, 08:36 PM
tim duncan is as much of a lock to be on 1st or 2nd team defense as anyone...every single yr of his career he made it...

NYKalltheway
03-25-2011, 08:46 PM
1st:
Rondo
Iguodala
Lebron
Garnett
Howard

2nd:
Deron
Afflalo/Sefolosha
Deng
Gerald Wallace
Noah

But I'm pretty sure Kobe or Wade will be there for sure which is unfair for better defensive guys at SG.