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SacTownKings29
03-20-2011, 09:03 PM
He basically openly fixed the 2002 Western Conference finals against my Kings for his beloved Lakers. Almost nine years later and he's still in office, and still screwing over the Kings. I can't stand him and he should have lost his job a long time ago.

D1JM
03-20-2011, 09:10 PM
He basically openly fixed the 2002 Western Conference finals against my Kings for his beloved Lakers. Almost nine years later and he's still in office, and still screwing over the Kings. I can't stand him and he should have lost his job a long time ago.

maybe you should of voted yes for a new stadium.

bal_ravens
03-20-2011, 09:10 PM
Zzzzz.

No matter who is in as commish, people will always look for the negatives. It's either him screw some stuff up, or someone else.

sunsfan88
03-20-2011, 09:13 PM
David Stern is like the dictator of the NBA. They need to quit dictatorship and look into a democracy running the league.

B-Ray
03-20-2011, 09:19 PM
David Stern is like the dictator of the NBA. They need to quit dictatorship and look into a democracy running the league.


I'm sure democracy will be good at running league

lakeshow3peat
03-20-2011, 09:24 PM
lol yo bro relax and point the blame to the owner of the kings not David Sterns fault

B'sCeltsPatsSox
03-20-2011, 09:25 PM
I see what you mean, but he will not leave his spot until the day he dies.

hgtiger32
03-20-2011, 09:32 PM
not a good idea for your first post to be about crying boo-hoo about how your team has had it tough

Sadds The Gr8
03-20-2011, 09:35 PM
Stern is a ****in jerk off

Bruno
03-20-2011, 09:38 PM
He basically openly fixed the 2002 Western Conference finals against my Kings for his beloved Lakers. Almost nine years later and he's still in office, and still screwing over the Kings. I can't stand him and he should have lost his job a long time ago.

What about it was fixed? Before you mention game six, do you remember games two & three?

Game one: LAL: 22 FTA, SAC: 17 FTAs (LAL +5).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205180SAC.html

Game two: LAL: 25 FTA, SAC: 38 FTAs (SAC +13)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205200SAC.html

Game three: LAL: 15 FTA, SAC: 35 FTAs (SAC +20).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205240LAL.html

Game four: LAL: 27 FTA, SAC: 26 FTA (LAL +1).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205260LAL.html

Game five: LAL: 23 FTA, SAC: 33 FTA (SAC +10).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205280SAC.html

Game six: LAL: 40 FTA, SAC: 25 FTAs (LAL +15).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205310LAL.html

Game seven: LAL: 33 FTA, SAC: 30 FTAs (LAL +3).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200206020SAC.html

Total free throw attempts over seven games:
LAL: 185 FTAs
SAC: 204 FTAs

Mind you, Shaq and Bryant were both top 5 in FTA for the 2001-2002 regular season, the Kings didn't have one player in the top 10 in FTAs. Yet the Kings get to the line more throughout a seven game series?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html

I'm not the biggest Stern fan in the world, but surly you can come up with better reasons as to why he should be replaced.

Bruno
03-20-2011, 09:53 PM
What about it was fixed? Before you mention game six, do you remember games two & three?

Game one: LAL: 22 FTA, SAC: 17 FTAs (LAL +5).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205180SAC.html

Game two: LAL: 25 FTA, SAC: 38 FTAs (SAC +13)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205200SAC.html

Game three: LAL: 15 FTA, SAC: 35 FTAs (SAC +20).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205240LAL.html

Game four: LAL: 27 FTA, SAC: 26 FTA (LAL +1).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205260LAL.html

Game five: LAL: 23 FTA, SAC: 33 FTA (SAC +10).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205280SAC.html

Game six: LAL: 40 FTA, SAC: 25 FTAs (LAL +15).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205310LAL.html

Game seven: LAL: 33 FTA, SAC: 30 FTAs (LAL +3).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200206020SAC.html

Total free throw attempts over seven games:
LAL: 185 FTAs
SAC: 204 FTAs

Mind you, Shaq and Bryant were both top 5 in FTA for the 2001-2002 regular season, the Kings didn't have one player in the top 10 in FTAs. Yet the Kings get to the line more throughout a seven game series?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html

I'm not the biggest Stern fan in the world, but surly you can come up with better reasons as to why he should be replaced.
I acknowledge that the Kings as a team shot more FTAs throughout the 82 game regular season than the Lakers did as a team.

2001-2002 Regular season FTAs:
LAL: 2,138 FTAs (6th). 26.073 FTA per game.
SAC: 2,154 FTAs (5th). 26.268 FTA per game.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html

Iceman05
03-20-2011, 09:55 PM
This guy is so good at making his league look bad. Total lack of profession and holds grudges that he likes to reveal through refs in the playoffs. It is obvious he prefers big market teams to small market. Loves and protects his biggest $, Lebron James. Attempted to cover up a ref scandal involving gambling. Mandatory dress code for players. Created an age restriction for draft eligibility.

After even all of that......No other commissioner would ever belittle one of his teams, coaches, and star players. AND ON PUBLIC RADIO.

"I see somebody whose team isn’t performing, whose star player is suspended, who seems to be fraying," Stern said of Van Gundy.

"I would venture a guess that we’re not going to be hearing from him for the rest of the season,"

Proved SVGs point for sure. Total lack of profession

llemon
03-20-2011, 10:04 PM
Is this a trick question?

SACNYY
03-20-2011, 10:05 PM
I wish death on him.

Gram
03-20-2011, 10:06 PM
David Stern hates himself.

GREATNESS ONE
03-20-2011, 10:10 PM
Anaheim Royals !!!!

AddiX
03-20-2011, 10:13 PM
Sterns job is to increase profit for owners, that's it.

Making the game better has nothi to do with that. If it did we wouldn't have 7 game playoff series in the first round, it's the biggest joke ever.

The playoffs is like a whole season it seems like.

John Walls Era
03-20-2011, 10:20 PM
Complain all you want.

1) You're clearly still a fan.

2) NBAs market has never been bigger. Stern is doing a great job in that aspect (money).

gaughan333
03-20-2011, 10:20 PM
That really was a terribly officiated series

I was actually mad watching footage of it.

LA_Raiders
03-20-2011, 10:36 PM
Stern sucks, and the maloofs too...

thekmp211
03-20-2011, 10:38 PM
look, we all have bones to pick, but running a sports league is difficult.

i appreciate stern because he has spread basketball around the world during his tenure (with a little/lot of help from Jordan) and has made the league a much more professional venture. stern did a lot to clean up cocaine and all the other ******** going on in the league when he first came in.

stern has done a ton for the sport. definitely do not hate him.

Arch Stanton
03-20-2011, 10:42 PM
Stern should allow fights in the NBA like in the NHL. That would help increase profit for the owners. Then every team would want Ron Artest because he's not afraid to throw a punch.

SacTownKings29
03-20-2011, 10:46 PM
That really was a terribly officiated series

I was actually mad watching footage of it.

Me too, it was truly disgusting.

We've already had one of Stern's refs been tied to gambling.

icon1914
03-20-2011, 10:53 PM
sterns job is to increase profit for owners, that's it.

Making the game better has nothi to do with that. If it did we wouldn't have 7 game playoff series in the first round, it's the biggest joke ever.

The playoffs is like a whole season it seems like.

+1

sixer04fan
03-20-2011, 11:02 PM
And who would fire him? Lol

DerekRE_3
03-20-2011, 11:09 PM
maybe you should of voted yes for a new stadium.

How do you know he could have? There are a lot of Kings fans outside of Sacramento County that couldn't vote for or against it. For example, I live in Placer County, 25 minutes from the Arena. I couldn't vote for a new arena.

DerekRE_3
03-20-2011, 11:10 PM
Complain all you want.

1) You're clearly still a fan.

2) NBAs market has never been bigger. Stern is doing a great job in that aspect (money).

The NBA is generating a lot of revenue. That doesn't mean ****. Their expenses are as high as ever. The NBA lost money last year.

KingPosey
03-20-2011, 11:35 PM
What about it was fixed? Before you mention game six, do you remember games two & three?

Game one: LAL: 22 FTA, SAC: 17 FTAs (LAL +5).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205180SAC.html

Game two: LAL: 25 FTA, SAC: 38 FTAs (SAC +13)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205200SAC.html

Game three: LAL: 15 FTA, SAC: 35 FTAs (SAC +20).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205240LAL.html

Game four: LAL: 27 FTA, SAC: 26 FTA (LAL +1).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205260LAL.html

Game five: LAL: 23 FTA, SAC: 33 FTA (SAC +10).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205280SAC.html

Game six: LAL: 40 FTA, SAC: 25 FTAs (LAL +15).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205310LAL.html

Game seven: LAL: 33 FTA, SAC: 30 FTAs (LAL +3).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200206020SAC.html

Total free throw attempts over seven games:
LAL: 185 FTAs
SAC: 204 FTAs

Mind you, Shaq and Bryant were both top 5 in FTA for the 2001-2002 regular season, the Kings didn't have one player in the top 10 in FTAs. Yet the Kings get to the line more throughout a seven game series?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html

I'm not the biggest Stern fan in the world, but surly you can come up with better reasons as to why he should be replaced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fxj0fREr6w
Dont just count FTs.

Kashmir13579
03-20-2011, 11:45 PM
i feel your pain, buddy. that series was obviously fixed, imo. and yea, i think Stern is as shady as they come. hey, maybe he'll die soon???

Kashmir13579
03-20-2011, 11:47 PM
Complain all you want.

1) You're clearly still a fan.

2) NBAs market has never been bigger. Stern is doing a great job in that aspect (money).

lmao. good points, bro.

iggypop123
03-21-2011, 12:19 AM
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee115/DirtyIrishman/ibtl.gif

with that said the nba is the most popular among the youngest demographic. ratings havent been higher. he's a lawyer he knows how to negotiate the CBA.

Bruno
03-21-2011, 02:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fxj0fREr6w
Dont just count FTs.

You don't think that if the Lakers had lost the 2002 WCF that some Laker fan would have done the exact same thing; make a nice collage video of how poorly officiated games two and three were? Very similar videos would exist exposing the lop-sided nature of games two and three had the Lakers gone on to lose (had the fans been given reason).

Not quite sure why you're not interested in the FT count. You say game six was lopsided, and sight a video from a game where the Lakers shot +15 more FTAs than the Kings. But when I mention the exact same thing happening in game three (except to a worse degree +20 FTA for Sacramento) you're not interested, and dismiss it as if it means nothing.

The Kings shot nearly 20 more FTs throughout the series than the Lakers, and the most lopsided game of the series as far as FT discrepancy resulted in a Laker loss.

amos1er
03-21-2011, 03:34 AM
WOW....hahahahaha. I can't believe you actually made a thread *****ing about the 2002 Western conference finals. WOW WOW and WOW.

This is a complete joke....first off you weren't robbed in the 2002 Western Conference finals. I will admit that in the fourth quarter of game six you got screwed. That being said, maybe you should do some diligence and google the box scores for the series. I would, but I have already, and I don't feel like doing it again because I have done so many times on here in the past. But, I do know that in game three, the freethrow disparity was in favor of the Queens was much greater than it was in game six in favor of the Lakers. We got screwed in game three much harder than you did in game six. In fact, the overall freethow attempts for the series were in your favor as well. With both teams getting screwed over in games three and six, the series was tied going into a deciding game seven, which I'm sure we can both agree on, was officiated fairly.....and the better team did win.

I am still in shock that I had to school someone on this again...the last time I had to explain this was back in 07 and I still laughed my *** off the the guy who brought it up back then. :facepalm:

amos1er
03-21-2011, 03:36 AM
You don't think that if the Lakers had lost the 2002 WCF that some Laker fan would have done the exact same thing; make a nice collage video of how poorly officiated games two and three were? Very similar videos would exist exposing the lop-sided nature of games two and three had the Lakers gone on to lose (had the fans been given reason).

Not quite sure why you're not interested in the FT count. You say game six was lopsided, and sight a video from a game where the Lakers shot +15 more FTAs than the Kings. But when I mention the exact same thing happening in game three (except to a worse degree +20 FTA for Sacramento) you're not interested, and dismiss it as if it means nothing.

The Kings shot nearly 20 more FTs throughout the series than the Lakers, and the most lopsided game of the series as far as FT discrepancy resulted in a Laker loss.

Exactly!!! :clap::clap::clap: There are the numbers I was too lazy to look for.

This is all exactly true. Great Post!

amos1er
03-21-2011, 03:38 AM
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee115/DirtyIrishman/ibtl.gif

with that said the nba is the most popular among the youngest demographic. ratings havent been higher. he's a lawyer he knows how to negotiate the CBA.

lol...its so lame that we all kind off can tell that certain aspects of the NBA are fixed....yet we all still watch with amazement. :D

nolafan33
03-21-2011, 10:17 AM
Stern is a terrible commissioner, but he's only part of the problem of why the NBA is as bad as it is right now.

nightBULL
03-22-2011, 03:11 AM
Are you sure Stern prefers big market teams and not the players?

Would you rather play in sunny Miami or Indiana?

Surround yourself in business opportunities in NY or hideout in Minnesota?

Sign with the Clips or take the winning tradition and celebrities that come with signing with the Lakers?


Big market teams do well because their cities have more to offer their players, not because Stern is pulling strings.

Trace
03-22-2011, 03:58 AM
David Stern is like the dictator of the NBA. They need to quit dictatorship and look into a democracy running the league.

Yes...because ALL corporations that make money are democratic. :facepalm:

If you think the league is fixed, you're dumb.

If Stern catered toward large market teams then:

Lebron would have gone to a large market team before Cleaveland.
New York would not have suffered for the decade (ongoing).
Boston would not have seen such little success during the solo Pierce days
KG would not have rotted away in the middle of nowhere
etc

It's easy to ignore such things and point out examples that only suit your purposes.

In addition, the lottery process is not rigged. Teams send representatives to take part in this event. If it was rigged as some of your say it is then someone would have talked by now. If no one can keep coaches from mouthing off about certain things then I don't see why team representatives would keep their mouths shut. Suppose the lottery is rigged then consider this...

The 10 most valuable teams in the NBA are

NY
LA
Chicago
Boston
Houston
Dallas
Miami
Phoenix
San Antonio
Toronto
(Forbes)

Based on the arguments on this forum...such teams would be catered and favoured most highly by Stern...right?

Well let's look at the NBA Draft Lottery

1985 New York Knicks
1986 Philadelphia 76ers
1987 San Antonio Spurs
1988 Los Angeles Clippers
1989 Sacramento Kings
1990 New Jersey Nets
1991 Charlotte Hornets
1992 Orlando Magic
1993 Orlando Magic
1994 Milwaukee Bucks
1995 Golden State Warriors
1996 Philadelphia 76ers
1997 San Antonio Spurs
1998 Los Angeles Clippers
1999 Chicago Bulls
2000 New Jersey Nets
2001 Washington Wizards
2002 Houston Rockets
2003 Cleveland Cavaliers
2004 Orlando Magic
2005 Milwaukee Bucks
2006 Toronto Raptors
2007 Portland Trail Blazers
2008 Chicago Bulls
2009 Los Angeles Clippers
2010 Washington Wizards

Of the last couple of decades, these teams were catered 6 times. That's not much favouritism...is it?

In terms of referee favouritism, that's the exact same issue again. Let's just say it's a childish refusal on the part of losing fans to accept their defeat at the hands of well managed/lucky teams. Simple denial. Nothing else, nothing more. Stop making up stories to fit your world view.

koLohe2133
03-22-2011, 03:58 AM
How does stern have a job still?

Because it takes civil wars and revolutions to displace tyrants duh.

REGular
03-22-2011, 01:14 PM
The 10 most valuable teams in the NBA are

NY
LA
Chicago
Boston
Houston
Dallas
Miami
Phoenix
San Antonio
Toronto
(Forbes)

Based on the arguments on this forum...such teams would be catered and favoured most highly by Stern...right?

Those teams have won 18 of the past 19 championships.

FuriousJatt
03-22-2011, 01:32 PM
complain all you want... stern is a damn good commish. he wasnt hired to please few fans, he was hired to make nba profitable and make it global brand. he has done fairly good work. he DOES NOT OWN THE LEAGUE, if hes fixing things, the league owners knws. if they thought he was fixing matches and results they would protest. dont you think marc cuban would have said something by now?

FuriousJatt
03-22-2011, 01:34 PM
if the lakers are his "favorite child", then tell how many 1st round picks have the lakers had? dampier delivers hard hit on parker nothing happens, yet bynum gets 2 games. hmm

magichatnumber9
03-22-2011, 01:56 PM
David Stern has done more good for the league then bad.

jrm2054
03-22-2011, 02:08 PM
Stern sucks

Wade>You
03-22-2011, 02:10 PM
So many small markets are in the draft year-in-and-year-out and they get screwed, while teams like Chicago continues to receive all the bailouts needed despite a crappy front office that continues to dig themselves in a hole.

My condolences goes out to the fans of small market teams who gets screwed by the commissioner rigging drafts to put impact players in big markets (the evidence is in the 1985 draft, youtube).

As long as David Stern is commissioner, us fans of small market teams will continue to fight an uphill battle to build a title contender. Some of us are a bit more blessed than others, but it doesn't mean we've had a cakewalk to get to where we are.

TO to the CHI
03-22-2011, 02:17 PM
WOW....hahahahaha. I can't believe you actually made a thread *****ing about the 2002 Western conference finals. WOW WOW and WOW.

This is a complete joke....first off you weren't robbed in the 2002 Western Conference finals. I will admit that in the fourth quarter of game six you got screwed. That being said, maybe you should do some diligence and google the box scores for the series. I would, but I have already, and I don't feel like doing it again because I have done so many times on here in the past. But, I do know that in game three, the freethrow disparity was in favor of the Queens was much greater than it was in game six in favor of the Lakers. We got screwed in game three much harder than you did in game six. In fact, the overall freethow attempts for the series were in your favor as well. With both teams getting screwed over in games three and six, the series was tied going into a deciding game seven, which I'm sure we can both agree on, was officiated fairly.....and the better team did win.

I am still in shock that I had to school someone on this again...the last time I had to explain this was back in 07 and I still laughed my *** off the the guy who brought it up back then. :facepalm:

That is a pretty significant acknowledgement. You can agree that the Kings got screwed in the last quarter of a potential clinching game, but don't think that is telling. I know you will argue that it wouldn't have been a clinching game if not for the lopsided officiating in Games 2 and 3, but there shouldn't be make up calls games later. The Lakers getting a raw deal earlier, doesn't change them being saved big time (and unjustly) in Game 6.

Moreover, all you and bruno have pointed to are the foul totals and free throws. That provides some useful information but paints a very incomplete picture. Specifically, it doesn't say whether the fouls actually were earned or what calls were missed. In Game 6, it is undeniable that several foul calls were soft and several were missed altogether (Kobe's mugging of Bibby). The totals in Games 2 and 3 don't reflect any mistaken or questionable calls. Perhaps the Kings just played cleaner those games. I am not saying that is necessarily the case, but your argument lacks a lot of necessary facts.



if the lakers are his "favorite child", then tell how many 1st round picks have the lakers had? dampier delivers hard hit on parker nothing happens, yet bynum gets 2 games. hmm

They have one each year, the same as every other team. They can choose whether to use the pick or whether to trade it. I assume that you were really referring to first overall picks, but that is a ridiculous sentiment when the Lakers have been consistently good and not in the lottery throughout the last decade plus.



complain all you want... stern is a damn good commish. he wasnt hired to please few fans, he was hired to make nba profitable and make it global brand. he has done fairly good work. he DOES NOT OWN THE LEAGUE, if hes fixing things, the league owners knws. if they thought he was fixing matches and results they would protest. dont you think marc cuban would have said something by now?

By this metric is he really a "damn good commish." My understanding is that the League's finances are not all that pretty right now.



David Stern has done more good for the league then bad.

I agree completely with this statement.

REGular
03-22-2011, 04:13 PM
dont you think marc cuban would have said something by now?

He has many times and been fined hundreds of thousands of dollars for questioning Stern and the officials.

He's since decided he prefers to keep his money.


if the lakers are his "favorite child", then tell how many 1st round picks have the lakers had?

Presumably you mean #1 overall, and the answer to that question is only 2 in the past 30 years (Earvin Johnson in '79 & James Worthy in '82), however in that span the Lakers have won 10 championships and appeared in 6 others (total of playing in 16 of 31).

Da Knicks
03-22-2011, 04:19 PM
Money talks if Lakers dont have a good team no one shows up to the games, ask the raiders. New York needed to be relelvant again but even without a good team they have attendance because its msg and something to do. Plus knick fans love basketball not just because of who is on the team or who shows up to the games. The nba will always be this way no matter what, teams will get skrewed if you are not part of the plan at the time.

Iceman05
03-22-2011, 04:28 PM
Its all about the TV Ratings. Thats where the real money is.

Both small market & crappy teams can still sell out arenas, but they wont get the ratings during primetime playoffs that the big market teams will (with the exception to a few superstar players). I truly believe he persuades the refs to make $ making playoff series happen, and to try to make them 7 game series as much as possible.

Sure he makes the league money, but there still are teams that arent. Hell, New Orleans had to be bought by the league.

D1JM
03-22-2011, 04:29 PM
So many small markets are in the draft year-in-and-year-out and they get screwed, while teams like Chicago continues to receive all the bailouts needed despite a crappy front office that continues to dig themselves in a hole.

My condolences goes out to the fans of small market teams who gets screwed by the commissioner rigging drafts to put impact players in big markets (the evidence is in the 1985 draft, youtube).

As long as David Stern is commissioner, us fans of small market teams will continue to fight an uphill battle to build a title contender. Some of us are a bit more blessed than others, but it doesn't mean we've had a cakewalk to get to where we are.

U still mad about 08?