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CityofChaos
03-18-2011, 04:00 AM
Who in your opinion is the best pure shooter (not scorer)--good 3pt and mid range shooter--Stats dont have to support your decision but would help justify it. I know I missed a few guys and if I did please feel free to post...

redwhitenblue
03-18-2011, 04:08 AM
Kyle Korver!

GREATNESS ONE
03-18-2011, 04:36 AM
toss up for me between Dirk and Ray

MJ-BULLS
03-18-2011, 04:39 AM
ray ray and korver are up there.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-18-2011, 04:49 AM
Steve Nashty

Ollie Tabooger
03-18-2011, 04:52 AM
Korver>Lewis, Gallinari, Kapono, and Morrow in "pure shooting"

nygiants242
03-18-2011, 04:58 AM
Kapono

jrap2
03-18-2011, 05:07 AM
Stephen Curry for me

sugarrayray
03-18-2011, 05:41 AM
Come on! Ray Allen. Not even close. He is the best ever.

Bulls_fan90
03-18-2011, 06:03 AM
How did you not think of Kyle Korver?

CityofChaos
03-18-2011, 06:06 AM
How did you not think of Kyle Korver?

IDK please forgive me...

Bulls_fan90
03-18-2011, 06:26 AM
IDK please forgive me...

Forgiven ;)

Q_bully
03-18-2011, 06:35 AM
Ray Allen> Stephen curry > Steve Nash > Dirk > Kapono > gallinari > morrow > Rashard Lewis

slynxpac
03-18-2011, 06:50 AM
Ray Allen..

Sportfan
03-18-2011, 06:53 AM
Allen is obvious, I'd have Curry right behind him

YoungOne
03-18-2011, 07:29 AM
most of them are not even pure shooters..

THE WALL
03-18-2011, 07:56 AM
Ray Allen

magichatnumber9
03-18-2011, 07:57 AM
Ray Allen

JasonJohnHorn
03-18-2011, 08:14 AM
Its a hard call... there are a lot of different types of shooters. Ray Allen is the guy who pops up into my head first, but Kapono is a great shooter too, who doesnt have an all around game that compares to Allen, while Dirk has a sweet post game, and creates shot with the ball in his had, so while he is a great shooter, I often think of him as a guy who relies on other aspects of his game to score as well.

Coming off screens and taking mid-range to long jumpers, I'd take Allen (or Rip Hamilton from a couple years ago). But Dirk, Kobe and LBJ are all as good, but they just have so many aspects to the O game, people dont think of them as shooters first, but they are all first rate in my book.

BlondeBomber41
03-18-2011, 10:20 AM
Best pure outside shooter? No doubt its Ray Allen.

Best pure all around shooter? I would def say Dirk. He can light it up from 3, the FT line, and is a 50% shooter when the vast majority of his shots are mid range jumpers. I think when you take into account every spot on the floor, Dirk is the right choice.

psperry34116
03-18-2011, 10:45 AM
Why put on Rashard Lewis and not Chauncey Billups

magichatnumber9
03-18-2011, 10:52 AM
I would give steve nash a nod.

The Miami Cheat
03-18-2011, 10:56 AM
ray allen

chris34
03-18-2011, 10:57 AM
This is kind of a dumb question. Is there really and doubt that its Ray Allen?

Mishmin
03-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Rashard Lewis.. really? What is he your brother.. RAY RAY CASE CLOSED

AIMelo=KillaDUO
03-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Melo

cbreezy34
03-18-2011, 11:19 AM
This is an awful list of options.. morrow...rashard lewis?? Its between Steve Nash Steph Curry JJ Reddick and Ray Allen. Id give the edge to Ray Allen with Redick right behind him.

John Walls Era
03-18-2011, 11:23 AM
Morrow since everyone is saying one guy

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-18-2011, 11:24 AM
Melo

lol

he has no 3 point range

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-18-2011, 11:27 AM
This is an awful list of options.. morrow...rashard lewis?? Its between Steve Nash Steph Curry JJ Reddick and Ray Allen. Id give the edge to Ray Allen with Redick right behind him.

best 3 point shooter in the nba all time(percentage wise)

Rentzias
03-18-2011, 11:33 AM
Allen is obvious, I'd have Curry right behind him

x2 plus bonus for avatar.

Me and Mr. T
03-18-2011, 11:52 AM
Allen by a long shot. I'd have Dirk in second though.

Hustlenomics
03-18-2011, 12:05 PM
Ray Allen is ridiculous once he sees the rim that shots going in

CowboysKB24
03-18-2011, 12:06 PM
Ray Allen

KingPosey
03-18-2011, 12:18 PM
Its hard to say for me, guys like Ray and Nash just make them consistently. But then there is a guy like JR Smith, who will make 10 3 pointers in in a row, From anywhere on the court, right in your ****ing face when he is streaking.

Shareeb_omac2
03-18-2011, 12:21 PM
I don't understand how it isn't Dirk...

Best pure shooter? Dirk can shoot from any spot on the court and does it with a hand in his face constantly. Ray is a better catch and shoot, 3 point shooter but the question is pure shooter.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-18-2011, 12:29 PM
Its hard to say for me, guys like Ray and Nash just make them consistently. But then there is a guy like JR Smith, who will make 10 3 pointers in in a row, From anywhere on the court, right in your ****ing face when he is streaking.

those guys are called streaky shooters.

THE_G.O.A.T.
03-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Write in: Kyle Korver

ULT WARRIOR408
03-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Ima be a homer & say Curry but I can agree with majority & say Allen.

DwayneMVPwade
03-18-2011, 12:43 PM
Ray Ray

nycsports2
03-18-2011, 12:48 PM
ray allen... suprised carmelo isnt in the voting

PrettyBoyJ
03-18-2011, 12:50 PM
I picked ray but ray not just a shooter, back in his prime I use to see him drive to the basket a good number of times

rapjuicer06
03-18-2011, 12:51 PM
why is lewis on the list and not durant? but either way its ray

Maggarielle
03-18-2011, 01:06 PM
If it was just 3pts, not doubt it's Ray Allen. Dirk is the best if you factor in his mid range game.

WIL 454
03-18-2011, 01:20 PM
Ray allen best pure shooter hands down!!!!!!!!!

KingPosey
03-18-2011, 01:28 PM
those guys are called streaky shooters.

ya, I know what a streaky shooter is guy. But that doesnt mean someone isnt a pure shooter. Being capable of stuff like that shows pure shooting ability.

bringinwood
03-18-2011, 01:37 PM
I hate to come off this way...

But, you guys are absolute morons...


Steve Nash is far and away the best shooter this generation has seen...

He has a field goal percentage that is close to .04 % higher than Ray over his career ( which is a ton higher )....

Nash is at .490 for his career while Allen is at .452 for his....

Nash has shot over .50 % the last 7 seasons in a row...Ray might ( and I stress might) do that for the first time in his 14 year career this year if he doesn't drop .001 % till the rest of the season...



Allen is a .03 percent worse 3 point shooter than Nash over his career... Nash is at .429 and Allen is at .399

He is also a worse free throw shooter than Nash...

Nash is at .904 while Allen is at .893 for his career...

How the **** is Allen a better shooter than Nash...

You guys are absolutely halarious...

archangel
03-18-2011, 01:40 PM
tie between dirk and ray.....id take korver over most of those other options though

Crackadalic
03-18-2011, 01:46 PM
Stats aside Steph Curry has one of the prettiest shots ive ever seen in a while. Isn't too many guys that makes shots and hits nothing but net. Like poetry in motion. No Knock on Ray Ray but i have to go with Curry

llemon
03-18-2011, 02:06 PM
Up until the middle of this season, Steve Nash, hands down.

J_M_B
03-18-2011, 02:37 PM
Ray Allen, with Dirk right behind

tredigs
03-18-2011, 02:45 PM
This is an awful list of options.. morrow...rashard lewis?? Its between Steve Nash Steph Curry JJ Reddick and Ray Allen. Id give the edge to Ray Allen with Redick right behind him.

Woah, how clueless are you?

Morrow at this point has the highest career 3pt% in NBA history (something that generally improves with age), and had the highest in ACC history as well. Just a silky, lights out shooter from the arc or the line. Possibly the best I've ever seen.

Curry is right there with Ray as well.

smith&wesson
03-18-2011, 02:51 PM
jo, as in jo mamma.

no for real though its nash or ray ray.

BkOriginalOne
03-18-2011, 03:01 PM
Who in your opinion is the best pure shooter (not scorer)--good 3pt and mid range shooter--Stats dont have to support your decision but would help justify it. I know I missed a few guys and if I did please feel free to post...

Why wouldn't you factor in Free throws?

Nash, has the over 50% from the floor, 90% from the line and over 40% from 3. And he's been doing that for years. Ray and Dirk ARE scorers, Nash is the purest shooters

coryd238
03-18-2011, 03:01 PM
lol

he has no 3 point range

He actually does, he was just off at the beginning of the year and end of the year last year because of his elbow injury. Before that, he was shooting like 38% from 3.

But the answer is definitely Ray Ray, and then Nash and Nowiztki.

chisox..YES!
03-18-2011, 03:18 PM
Steve Novak

/thread

Gram
03-18-2011, 03:18 PM
Rodney Stuckey.

RowanJournalist
03-18-2011, 03:20 PM
Jodie Meeks

FuriousJatt
03-18-2011, 03:38 PM
ray allen and korver

godolphins
03-18-2011, 03:44 PM
Ray Allen

ManRam
03-18-2011, 03:48 PM
I voted Nash. I think he's better at creating his shot, is better from mid range on in, and is just as good from three :shrug: Just because he's a PG and doesn't just shoot like Ray, doesn't make him any less of a shooter. He shoots better from literally every single spot on the court than Ray.

Mane
03-18-2011, 05:07 PM
If Rashard Lewis is currently a great pure shooter than I dont think I've been watching basketball correctly.

Rndy
03-18-2011, 05:13 PM
I got Ray, Korver, JJ, And Mike Miller in my top. The last 3 can go either way really.

magichatnumber9
03-18-2011, 05:24 PM
I voted Nash. I think he's better at creating his shot, is better from mid range on in, and is just as good from three :shrug: Just because he's a PG and doesn't just shoot like Ray, doesn't make him any less of a shooter. He shoots better from literally every single spot on the court than Ray.I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree, Ray can shoot lights from anywhere on the floor. And he's able to shoot off the dribble. He just can't have the ball in his hands any longer then 10 seconds or bad things happen.

BranWingss
03-18-2011, 05:24 PM
Steve Nash

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-18-2011, 05:27 PM
I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree, Ray can shoot lights from anywhere on the floor. And he's able to shoot off the dribble. He just can't have the ball in his hands any longer then 10 seconds or bad things happen.

And Nash can't?:speechless:

checkit
03-18-2011, 05:37 PM
Ray Ray....not even close imo

Car Ramrod
03-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Why wouldn't you factor in Free throws?

Nash, has the over 50% from the floor, 90% from the line and over 40% from 3. And he's been doing that for years. Ray and Dirk ARE scorers, Nash is the purest shooters

Not to mention that Dirk is a foot taller than Nash. Nash has to shoot through the trees.

lakeshow3peat
03-18-2011, 05:49 PM
Dirk hands down no disrespect to Ray Ray cause he is 3 pt king now but Dirk can do it all most of the time

Canes0097
03-18-2011, 05:56 PM
Dirk is the best pure shooter. . .

NJBASEBALL22
03-18-2011, 05:57 PM
I got Nash and Curry at the top, then Ray, and then Dirk, and then Durant.

magichatnumber9
03-18-2011, 06:00 PM
And Nash can't?:speechless:I wasn't implying that. I said that as a response to the notion that Ray can only shoot off screens and sets. If you go back one or two pages I give Nash his proper respect. I think he has incredible form, lift and accuracy. For a guy his size he really doesn't have any holes in his offensive game. And Steve shoots very well off of screens especially in pick n roll sets were the defense breaks down.

Evolution23
03-18-2011, 06:04 PM
Its Ray Allen u freakin homers

KnicksR4Real
03-18-2011, 06:26 PM
Danilo Gallinari

Duncan = Donkey
03-18-2011, 07:51 PM
Nash easy.

CHANGO
03-18-2011, 11:29 PM
Ray Ray and Dirk!

DeyAce
03-19-2011, 12:06 AM
Allen for sure

nyyfan4life
03-19-2011, 03:52 AM
Kevin Martin has to be up there. Shot is ugly but it is effective as hell. I'd go with Allen though.

s2kobe
03-19-2011, 04:18 AM
ray ray but korver behind him

JARVIS123
03-19-2011, 04:59 AM
most people would say killer ray,but my opinion is nash.nash is a great shooter for the attempts he gets.but how can you pick a passer over a shooter.

chicagowhitesox
03-19-2011, 12:13 PM
rashard lewis? ml

NORMeaga
03-19-2011, 12:37 PM
Kyle Korver!

:clap:

h2r09
03-19-2011, 12:41 PM
joel anthony

Brooklyn Mets
03-19-2011, 12:46 PM
Allen is obvious, I'd have Curry right behind him

this

F*(&"Next Year"
03-19-2011, 12:50 PM
Ray
then
Nash

LTS
03-19-2011, 12:52 PM
allen then nash

sep11ie
03-19-2011, 01:34 PM
Curry can shoot lights out.

bringinwood
03-19-2011, 01:35 PM
Can one person give me a legitimate arguement as to why Ray Allen is a better pure shooter than Nash...


Nash is ahead in every possible statistical category ( 3pt, FG, and FT %'s) for his career and has been the better shooter during just about every season in his career...

I'm dying nearly praying for one person to give me one reason why Allen is the better pure shooter...

bringinwood
03-19-2011, 01:38 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nashst01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html


After looking at these stats, why is Allen the better shooter ???


PLEASE someone give me justification as to why there are 97 votes for Ray Allen when he doesn't lead in one category over Steve Nash ???

UKblazers
03-19-2011, 02:13 PM
Matt Bonner

stlbest5in2013
03-19-2011, 04:36 PM
chris bosh


mr brown said on the heat/thunder game, "chris bosh doesnt miss 2 in a row form there" there was the high post
















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LA_Raiders
03-19-2011, 05:07 PM
Gallo

RC3
03-19-2011, 07:01 PM
Gallo

:laugh: Gallinari is one of the most overrated shooters. Every game its like he is 3-8 or 1-8. His percentage from 3 is really average. 34% from three is absolutely horrible for someone that is known as a "shooter". Sure he is improving his all around game, but he chucks way too many 3's and gets too excited when he makes one of them.

RowanJournalist
03-19-2011, 07:25 PM
How did Kapono make the list? I watch the Sixers whenever they're on. He sits on the bench all game lol. Jodie Meeks is our best shooter, but not the league's. Someday, he will be towards the top of the list.

Yanks All Day
03-19-2011, 07:36 PM
I want to see a shoot out between Ray Allen, Steph Curry, Kyle Korver, Steve Nash, Dirk and JJ Redick

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-19-2011, 07:41 PM
How did Kapono make the list? I watch the Sixers whenever they're on. He sits on the bench all game lol. Jodie Meeks is our best shooter, but not the league's. Someday, he will be towards the top of the list.

agreed

Kapono had like 2 good seasons and nothing else

bovice163
03-19-2011, 07:42 PM
Ray Allen by far, and then Korver at second. Morrow will be very good as well.

bringinwood
03-19-2011, 07:52 PM
Im still dying to hear one solid argument for why Ray Allen is the best pure shooter in basketball when there is not a single shred of tangible evidence that points that way...

RowanJournalist
03-19-2011, 08:18 PM
agreed

Kapono had like 2 good seasons and nothing else

He's paid around 5 million to spectate from the first row. He was a huge let down. Do fans of the other 29 teams know much about Meeks? Teams seem to leave him open every night. He's one of the top shooters this season. Also, he's one of the top free-throw shooters.

TylerSL
03-20-2011, 12:07 AM
... easily Steve Nash. The guy shoots like .430% 3pt for a career, has shot .500%+ from the field the last 7 years, has shot over .400% 3 point shooting for the last 11 years, and 13/15 years overall. His career low in 3 point% is .374%. INSANE

Note-Steve Nash is not on pace to shoot .400 from 3. He is currently at .383%, but still to think that is his 2nd worst 3 point shooting year is INSANE and have you seen the types of 3's he takes...

TylerSL
03-20-2011, 12:10 AM
chris bosh


mr brown said on the heat/thunder game, "chris bosh doesnt miss 2 in a row form there" there was the high post
















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I couldnt help but notice this, you do relize he shoots 49% from the field right? I am pretty sure everybody has one bad game.........

TylerSL
03-20-2011, 12:15 AM
Im still dying to hear one solid argument for why Ray Allen is the best pure shooter in basketball when there is not a single shred of tangible evidence that points that way...

he is not. 38% of all the shots he has taken have been 3 point shots. He has taken over 17000 shots. Anybody who takes many 3's will be pretty high up on the all time list. Just because he has made the most 3's doesnt make him the best shooter. Dont get me wrong he is a very good shooter, but Nash, and Dirk are easily better.

bringinwood
03-20-2011, 12:38 AM
he is not. 38% of all the shots he has taken have been 3 point shots. He has taken over 17000 shots. Anybody who takes many 3's will be pretty high up on the all time list. Just because he has made the most 3's doesnt make him the best shooter. Dont get me wrong he is a very good shooter, but Nash, and Dirk are easily better.

Finally finally finally finally....

Thank you...

You have given me a spark of hope that, not everyone, learns who the best shooters are from watching ESPN glorify Ray Allen's nutsack...

NetsPaint
03-20-2011, 12:44 AM
I'd say Nash because of his off the dribble shooting. Ray Allen is one of the best shooters of all-time, but Steve Nash has an all around great FG% and can do it in a variety of ways. I rarely see Ray Allen creating space for himself after he's stopped from a catch and shoot.

Iggz53
03-20-2011, 01:31 AM
Rashard Lewis and no Korver or Bonner? :pity:

I'd say RayRay though

Lakers + Giants
03-20-2011, 01:48 AM
Steve Nash, 50-40-90, Nuff said. 2nd Ray Allen.

bostonrules37
03-20-2011, 02:19 AM
WOW to think some people actually said someone other then ray ray is absurd! he is by far the purest shooter ( not even close)

Raps08-09 Champ
03-20-2011, 02:54 AM
Ray Allen.

But when he's gone, it's going to be Stephan Curry's. The guy is legit and seems like he can make any shot.

I can see him breaking the 50-40-90 percentage stats numerous times or being really close to it.

Duncan = Donkey
03-20-2011, 02:54 AM
WOW to think some people actually said someone other then ray ray is absurd! he is by far the purest shooter ( not even close)

Are you serious mate??? whats so hard to believe someone picking Nash.

All the numbers say Nash is better than Ray.

pastrecedes
03-20-2011, 03:14 AM
Steve Nash /thread

wa77ss
03-20-2011, 07:39 AM
how is JJ not on this list? No Korver?

bringinwood
03-20-2011, 07:46 PM
By the numbers Nash is one of the best pure shooters of all time...

He's shot over 50% from the field the last 7 seasons...

Allen hasn't done that once...

Nash is a better free throw shooter, shooter from the field, and has a better % shooting the 3 ball...

I really don't understand how there aren't over a 100 votes for Nash and 30 for Allen...

Allen is one of the most overrated players in NBA history...

Piercefan34
03-20-2011, 08:06 PM
how do you overrate the 3 point leader in history...?

kjoke
03-20-2011, 08:19 PM
rayray

goose15
03-20-2011, 08:39 PM
Dirk or Allen

PapelbonLester
03-20-2011, 08:52 PM
Ray Allen
Steve Nash
Kyle Korver
JJ Reddick
Dirk
Big Z(jk) lol

Bruno
03-20-2011, 08:54 PM
This is a toss-up between Ray Allen and Dirk Nowitzki. They are both shooting a brilliant TS% (my favorite, most honest advanced stat) this year.

Ray Allen- .624 TS%
Dirk Nowitzki- .627 TS%
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html

I'm especially impressed w/ Allen considering his age (35) and the fact that this is the highest TS% he's ever posted. Same can be said for Dirk, he's posting the highest TS% of his career.

DoJoTheSlasher
03-20-2011, 09:05 PM
Dirk Nowitzki. No matter who is guarding him, he will always hit the mid range shot. Great 3 pt shooter as well and a 90% FT shooter. I'll take Dirk followed by Nash and Allen.

sjoerdje
03-20-2011, 09:17 PM
Ray Allen and its not even close

Duncan = Donkey
03-20-2011, 11:58 PM
Ray Allen and its not even close

Not even close, your clearly a massive Allen fan or a moron.

hgtiger32
03-21-2011, 12:12 AM
ray allen without a dobut

but you honestly put rashard lewis on the list? wow what a joke

bringinwood
03-21-2011, 12:18 AM
how do you overrate the 3 point leader in history...?

For a guy that has never had a season where he has shot 50 % from the field, never averaged 6 assists or 6 rebounds a game in a season, only shot 40% from 3 point range 6 times in his 15 year career, and is actively 26th in career PER, i'd say he is vastly overrated...

Especially since he is behind guys like Grant Hill, Elton Brand, Chris Bosh, Vince Carter, and Shawn Marion...

bringinwood
03-21-2011, 12:21 AM
Consequently, Steve Nash has shot over 40% from 3 point range in 13 of his 15 years...

He has shot over 50% from the field the last 7 seasons and counting....


I hate ESPN for this very reason... You guys have no clue what you're voting for...

Jaji
03-21-2011, 12:28 AM
Man no KD?

Duncan = Donkey
03-21-2011, 12:39 AM
People vote Allen because the Meatheads on ESPN say he is the best.

bringinwood
03-21-2011, 12:53 AM
People vote Allen because the Meatheads on ESPN say he is the best.

Allen is definitely not the best shooter...

He has never been the best shooter in the NBA and he certainly isn't now...


To say he is anything other than a chucker who fell into the most three pointers by also ATTEMPTING the most three pointers in history is laughable...



This is a halarious stat for the Allen lovers...

Ray Allen is currently 16th on the active 3 point % list...

He is behind this list...

Anthony Morrow
Jason Kapono
Steph Curry
Steve Nash
Daniel Gibson
Matt Bonner
Kyle Korver
Anthony Parker
Arron Affalo
Channing Frye
Raja Bell
Mike Miller
Ben Gordon
Bobby Simmons
Peja Stojakovic


I mean, when you're getting bested by the likes of Arron Affalo, Ben Gordon, and Raja Bell, there's something really wrong with you being considered the best pure shooter of the time...

Oldmantrash
03-21-2011, 12:53 AM
Ray Allen is the best,been the best since he came out of UCONN.

ESPN has nothing to do with it.

I do put Nash second.

I don't count guys that have to be set like,Kapono,Korver,and Morrow.

Oldmantrash
03-21-2011, 12:55 AM
Allen is definitely not the best shooter...

He has never been the best shooter in the NBA and he certainly isn't now...


To say he is anything other than a chucker who fell into the most three pointers by also ATTEMPTING the most three pointers in history is laughable...



This is a halarious stat for the Allen lovers...

Ray Allen is currently 16th on the active 3 point % list...

He is behind this list...

Anthony Morrow
Jason Kapono
Steph Curry
Steve Nash
Daniel Gibson
Matt Bonner
Kyle Korver
Anthony Parker
Arron Affalo
Channing Frye
Raja Bell
Mike Miller
Ben Gordon
Bobby Simmons
Peja Stojakovic


I mean, when you're getting bested by the likes of Arron Affalo, Ben Gordon, and Raja Bell, there's something really wrong with you being considered the best pure shooter of the time...


None of those guys are even in his league.
Only Nash is close,come on man,do you watch basketball,or just look at stats.

bringinwood
03-21-2011, 12:59 AM
None of those guys are even in his league.
Only Nash is close,come on man,do you watch basketball,or just look at stats.

I watch basketball all the time...

Give me one argument for why Allen is the best shooter in basketball...

I just want one because I have volumes of reasons why Steve Nash wipes his *** with the likes of Ray Allen...

nickdymez
03-21-2011, 01:06 AM
Ray Allen and steph curry get my vote

bringinwood
03-21-2011, 01:06 AM
Nash is 4th in active 3 point %...

Allen is 16th...

Nash has shot 50% from the field the last 7 years running...

Allen has never shot 50% from the field in his career...

Nash is a better free throw shooter, has a higher FG %, and a better 3 point % career wise...

Nash has shot 40% from 3 point range in 13 of his 15 seasons...

Allen has done it 6 out of 15...

Nash has shot 40/50/90 4 separate times in his career...

Allen hasn't done it once...


Other than Allen having the most attempted 3's in basketball history to go along with his most 3 balls made, I can't see any other evidence as to why he is even in the same league as Steve Nash shooting wise...

The reason= Allen isn't in Nash's league

Oldmantrash
03-21-2011, 01:07 AM
You obviously have a bias against him,if you just brought up Nash,I could at least validate your point,but come on with those other guys.

I do put Nash second.

BTW,I love Nash,and hate the Celtics badly.

Remember his freshman year run at Santa Clara in the NCAA.

I have watched each play a thousand times,and think no one shoots better than Ray Allen.

Duncan = Donkey
03-21-2011, 01:22 AM
I still don't get why people pick Allen, just cause he chucks up a ton of 3's and has a nice looking jumper does not mean he is the best. His career 3pt% is barley at 40% (39.9)

Meanwhile Nash has a career 49% FG, 43% from and 90% from FT Line. He is better than Allen in each category.

tredigs
03-21-2011, 01:30 AM
I watch basketball all the time...

Give me one argument for why Allen is the best shooter in basketball...

I just want one because I have volumes of reasons why Steve Nash wipes his *** with the likes of Ray Allen...

Steve Nash is definitely a better shooter than Ray Allen. The difficulty of so many of his shots - many of which come from him making something out of broken plays (rather than Ray, who more often than not is spotting up or coming off a screen and taking a shot that he has practiced roughly 1 million times over and over in his life), and his better efficiency across the board prove that.

Might not quite have Ray's pristine form, but he's all net, all day.

That said, to call Ray anything but one of the greatest all around shooters in league history is false, and going further to say he's "a chucker who fell into the all time 3pt award simply by taking so many shots" defies sanity. If it's not trolling by you, then you have no understanding of what you're talking about.

thekmp211
03-21-2011, 02:02 AM
allen was also a high volume shooter/scorer during his younger years in seattle and milwaukee. he was taking a lot of difficult shots, whereas his tenure on the celtics has featured a lot more spotting up. coincidentally (or, not) he has had his best shooting years with the celtics and has been one of the best pure shooters in the league. he's on the short list.

that said, nash is one of the most underrated shooters of all time. his passing is obviously otherworldy but as others have mentioned the fact that he is so accurate while creating his own shot is pretty astounding. he's on the short list for best ever.

you're in good hands with both guys, though.

Bruno
03-21-2011, 02:19 AM
Have the Nash fans in this thread compared his TS% with Rays and Dirks? He's right behind them; it's very close. You guys mention everything except TS%, not sure why :shrug:. I'd agree that Nash, like Dirk isn't getting enough love in the poll, but he isn't above either of them from an advanced statistics p.o.v, not this year.

I also see a lot of arguments in here saying Nash is the best pure shooter, referencing his career numbers as evidence. Overall career? I'd give it to Nash over Ray and Dirk; his TS% of .65+ (MVP year) was legendary. But we're talkin' about this season, a season where both Dirk and Ray are posting career best TS%.

They're all great and pretty close statistically; don't quite get the "not even close" arguments floating around in this thread.

Bruno
03-21-2011, 02:22 AM
Dp

Duncan = Donkey
03-21-2011, 05:03 AM
Have the Nash fans in this thread compared his TS% with Rays and Dirks? He's right behind them; it's very close. You guys mention everything except TS%, not sure why :shrug:. I'd agree that Nash, like Dirk isn't getting enough love in the poll, but he isn't above either of them from an advanced statistics p.o.v, not this year.

I also see a lot of arguments in here saying Nash is the best pure shooter, referencing his career numbers as evidence. Overall career? I'd give it to Nash over Ray and Dirk; his TS% of .65+ (MVP year) was legendary. But we're talkin' about this season, a season where both Dirk and Ray are posting career best TS%.

They're all great and pretty close statistically; don't quite get the "not even close" arguments floating around in this thread.

Are we talking about this season?? thats not the question that was asked. He just asked who is the best pure shooter in the NBA.

Nash has been the best for last 5-6 years and proved he is the best pure shooter. Just because Allen is finally having a better shooting year than Nash does not mean he is better.

Nash is the better pure shooter, Allen is shooting better this year though.

Hawkeye15
03-21-2011, 05:06 AM
I answer Nash in every one of these, and I answer Nash again. He may be the best shooter of all time when all is said and done.

Bruno
03-21-2011, 05:49 AM
Are we talking about this season?? thats not the question that was asked. He just asked who is the best pure shooter in the NBA.

Nash has been the best for last 5-6 years and proved he is the best pure shooter. Just because Allen is finally having a better shooting year than Nash does not mean he is better.

Nash is the better pure shooter, Allen is shooting better this year though.

I dono, I just thought the thread was asking who's the best pure-shooter right now, based off what we've seen in the most recent past. I was referencing the numbers from this year specifically. :shrug:

Nash has an argument, I just don't think it's ridiculous to favor Dirk or Allen based off this year alone given they are both posting career highs in TS% and have been extremely efficient. The poll results are over-kill, I'll give you that. :laugh2: I voted Dirk.

Antipod
03-21-2011, 08:26 AM
I voted for Ray ... but Dirk`s shot also looks so smoooooth

KnicksorBust
03-21-2011, 10:02 AM
I'm going to go with Dirk because over the course of a game he'll hit a mid-range shot, a 3pt'er, and a fadeaway. Not everyone on that list brings that versatility.

VANEXEL9
03-21-2011, 10:06 AM
Can one person give me a legitimate arguement as to why Ray Allen is a better pure shooter than Nash...


Nash is ahead in every possible statistical category ( 3pt, FG, and FT %'s) for his career and has been the better shooter during just about every season in his career...

I'm dying nearly praying for one person to give me one reason why Allen is the better pure shooter...

i'm with you...though, Nowitzki is better than both, 23ppg, 53%fg, 41%3p,89%ft.
with all due respect to allen, he is way too inconsistent to be considered the best.

cubs0707
03-21-2011, 10:10 AM
should have had other as an option

VANEXEL9
03-21-2011, 10:12 AM
For a guy that has never had a season where he has shot 50 % from the field, never averaged 6 assists or 6 rebounds a game in a season, only shot 40% from 3 point range 6 times in his 15 year career, and is actively 26th in career PER, i'd say he is vastly overrated...

Especially since he is behind guys like Grant Hill, Elton Brand, Chris Bosh, Vince Carter, and Shawn Marion...

if you're behind marion on anything, you are way overrated

blacknell
03-21-2011, 10:23 AM
korver is a pure shooter hell he can't do anything else

IceMan360
03-21-2011, 11:01 AM
Ray allen nuff said

avrpatsfan
03-21-2011, 11:10 AM
Ray Allen.

AIRMAR72
03-21-2011, 11:13 AM
ray allen and paul pierce best pure shooter

thekmp211
03-21-2011, 04:33 PM
Have the Nash fans in this thread compared his TS% with Rays and Dirks? He's right behind them; it's very close. You guys mention everything except TS%, not sure why :shrug:. I'd agree that Nash, like Dirk isn't getting enough love in the poll, but he isn't above either of them from an advanced statistics p.o.v, not this year.

I also see a lot of arguments in here saying Nash is the best pure shooter, referencing his career numbers as evidence. Overall career? I'd give it to Nash over Ray and Dirk; his TS% of .65+ (MVP year) was legendary. But we're talkin' about this season, a season where both Dirk and Ray are posting career best TS%.

They're all great and pretty close statistically; don't quite get the "not even close" arguments floating around in this thread.

i think people are looking at career numbers, at least that one dude bashing ray.

the thing that seals it for nash, imo, is that he has had to create his own offense for pretty much his entire career. when he and ray were playing more similar roles (primary perimeter scorer) nash was a more efficient scorer.

ray has become the best off-ball shooting guard with the celtics, and the sound fundamental offense they run allows him to get SO many quality looks. one would expect a shooter of his caliber to excel in this role, and sure enough he has been one of the very best in the league for the past few seasons.

career wise, though, it's hard to argue against nash. his numbers are consistently amazing for a spot up specialist, much less someone dribbling and creating as much as nash does.

the allen hate is pretty spectacular though, not sure where its coming from.

bringinwood
03-21-2011, 04:53 PM
i think people are looking at career numbers, at least that one dude bashing ray.

the thing that seals it for nash, imo, is that he has had to create his own offense for pretty much his entire career. when he and ray were playing more similar roles (primary perimeter scorer) nash was a more efficient scorer.

ray has become the best off-ball shooting guard with the celtics, and the sound fundamental offense they run allows him to get SO many quality looks. one would expect a shooter of his caliber to excel in this role, and sure enough he has been one of the very best in the league for the past few seasons.

career wise, though, it's hard to argue against nash. his numbers are consistently amazing for a spot up specialist, much less someone dribbling and creating as much as nash does.

the allen hate is pretty spectacular though, not sure where its coming from.


Because, simply put, he has never been the best shooter in the league...

Not one season...

He isn't now and he never will be...

I'm still looking for a person in this thread to give all the Ray Allen supporters some justification...

Give us one piece of tangible evidence that Ray Allen is the best shooter now, yesterday, 6 years from now or 6 years ago or over the last 500 years ???

Aside from his one accomplishment of 3 pt field goals made, he hasn't shown anything other than longevity and quantity of shots...

He's also attempted more 3 pt's than any other person in the history of the NBA...

I'm still looking for evidence that Ray is better...

Not one person has given anyone one reason to believe Ray is the best...

The reason, he's as overrated a basketball player as there is, was, or will be....

bringinwood
03-21-2011, 05:00 PM
Even this season, which would be considered a very down year for Nash...

Nash is still better than Ray Allen ( Allen is on pace for a career high in FG %), while Nash is still putting up better numbers from the line ( percentage) and overall FG %...


This is a career year for Allen ???

If they traded numbers, this would be one of the worst years Nash has had in his entire career...

thekmp211
03-21-2011, 05:04 PM
Because, simply put, he has never been the best shooter in the league...

Not one season...

He isn't now and he never will be...

I'm still looking for a person in this thread to give all the Ray Allen supporters some justification...

Give us one piece of tangible evidence that Ray Allen is the best shooter now, yesterday, 6 years from now or 6 years ago or over the last 500 years ???

Aside from his one accomplishment of 3 pt field goals made, he hasn't shown anything other than longevity and quantity of shots...

He's also attempted more 3 pt's than any other person in the history of the NBA...

I'm still looking for evidence that Ray is better...

Not one person has given anyone one reason to believe Ray is the best...

The reason, he's as overrated a basketball player as there is, was, or will be....

well you could start with posting a response to Bruno's post, he did a nice job of highlighting what Ray has done, especially during his tenure as a celtic.

i, for one, am not arguing ray as best shooter. but the guy is a 40% career 3 point shooter. considering he has attempted the most in history, that is a very impressive mark.

free throw shooting counts too, and he is one of the best to ever shoot from the line in the NBA. his fg% is lower than you would expect from a shooting guard, but that's because he shoots so many threes. his true shooting percentage is very, very good.

and, as i'll mention again, ray did not play the role of pure shooter in milwaukee and seattle. he was the primary scorer on both teams and had to create a ton of his own offense. since settling into a role on the celtics, he has seen his overall field goal percentage spike because he is asked to do a lot less on the team.

i believe you were arguing for nash, and i agree with you. he is definitely the better career shooter, one of the best ever. but ray has gotten to shoot all those threes for a reason, and a career 40% mark is the exact opposite of bad.

he's a hall of famer, and one of the best shooters the game has seen. the publicity is due to his breaking of a record, and the fact that he plays for an elite, high profile team. i can see how that would be frustrating, but there's no need to call this guy overrated when he isn't. i think ray allen is one of the most known commodities in the league, to be honest.

Hawkeye15
03-21-2011, 05:05 PM
Nash has WAAAAAAY more 50/40/90 seasons than anyone in history, and his overall percentages are unreal. To attempt to say Ray has simply hit more shots, therefore he is a better shooter, negates the fact that Nash plays PG, and is laughable outright considering Nash's sample size is huge, and displays his overall better numbers. Factor in that Nash gets so many of his jumpers off the dribble, on broken down plays, instead of getting the majority of his looks with feet set, and it becomes even more impressive.

There is a simple stat called CSR, that adds 2 pt percentage, 3 pt percentage, and FT percentage, with minimum criteria. This is such an easy formula. And its very telling. Nash craps on everyone.

Nash is the best shooter of all time in all reality. I don't even like the term, "Pure" shooter. What the hell does that mean? You can either shoot, or you can't.

Lakers + Giants
03-21-2011, 05:43 PM
It's easily steve nash. Everyone supporting ray allen is saying look at the stats and the stats still say nash. . . :laugh: haha wow! 40-50-90, nash has done that 4 times, ray allen 0. end of story:silly: If Nash had as many 3 pt attempts as ray allen he would have way more 3 pointers made. So just because ray allen has shot more he is the better shooter? wow. .

J-Heyfever
03-21-2011, 05:49 PM
Jesus shuttlesworth hands down.

bringinwood
03-21-2011, 06:27 PM
I dono, I just thought the thread was asking who's the best pure-shooter right now, based off what we've seen in the most recent past. I was referencing the numbers from this year specifically. :shrug:

Nash has an argument, I just don't think it's ridiculous to favor Dirk or Allen based off this year alone given they are both posting career highs in TS% and have been extremely efficient. The poll results are over-kill, I'll give you that. :laugh2: I voted Dirk.

Even with this years statistics ( TS%), based on Nash's complete body of work, he is the best shooter of all time...

Allen is having a phenominal shooting year... But Nash is having a phenominal shooting decade...

Allen, at .624 TS%, is shooting over .60% for the 4th time in his career...

Nash has done this 10 times and consecutively for 7 years...


As for the overkill, you have to expect it with all love Ray Ray has been getting on ESPN...

That and how many Phoenix Sun fans are on this site compared to the Celtic's bandwagoners... lol

I wouldn't expect anything less than this sort of poll result...

Hawkeye15
03-21-2011, 06:27 PM
Even with this years statistics ( TS%), based on Nash's complete body of work, he is the best shooter of all time...

Allen is having a phenominal shooting year... But Nash is having a phenominal shooting decade...

Allen, at .624 TS%, is shooting over .60% for the 4th time in his career...

Nash has done this 10 times and consecutively for 7 years...

yep, completely agree. Nash is the best shooter of all time, and its fairly easy to prove.

Sadds The Gr8
03-21-2011, 06:30 PM
Nash has WAAAAAAY more 50/40/90 seasons than anyone in history, and his overall percentages are unreal. To attempt to say Ray has simply hit more shots, therefore he is a better shooter, negates the fact that Nash plays PG, and is laughable outright considering Nash's sample size is huge, and displays his overall better numbers. Factor in that Nash gets so many of his jumpers off the dribble, on broken down plays, instead of getting the majority of his looks with feet set, and it becomes even more impressive.

There is a simple stat called CSR, that adds 2 pt percentage, 3 pt percentage, and FT percentage, with minimum criteria. This is such an easy formula. And its very telling. Nash craps on everyone.

Nash is the best shooter of all time in all reality. I don't even like the term, "Pure" shooter. What the hell does that mean? You can either shoot, or you can't.

this.

Bruno
03-21-2011, 07:15 PM
Even this season, which would be considered a very down year for Nash...


Well, if we're talkin' about TS%, Ray Allen is posting a % of .624 for the '10-'11 campaign.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html

That would rank 4th on Steve Nashs all-time greatest TS% for a single season campaign. Behind only his 2006 (.632/MVP), 2007 (.654 :drool:), and 2008 (.641) campaigns
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nashst01.html

To me it seems like everyone actually agrees on this thread, it's just that were using different criteria as to how we're defining it. Even the posters who'd agree that Allen and Dirk are having slightly better shooting years this year, also agree that Nash is superior, regarding over-all careers.

Duncan = Donkey
03-22-2011, 02:21 AM
I cant believe Ray has 151 votes and Nash only 38. Should be the other way around.

I guess thats media hype/exposure for ya.

JJ81
03-22-2011, 10:52 AM
Steve Nash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50-40-90_Club_(NBA)

JJ81
03-22-2011, 10:52 AM
Steve Nash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50-40-90_Club_(NBA)

Ray Ray never joined the 50-40-90 club