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xabial
03-17-2011, 06:39 PM
Interesting Charles Barkley comment when he was on the Late Night show with David Letterman. David Letterman asked him to give his opinion on the Knicks with everyone's excitement after acquiring Carmelo Anthony with Amare Stoudemire and this is Charle's response:

Charles Barklay "In the history of all basketball they may be the worst defensive team EVER..."


Too much or do you agree?... They arent exactly known for their 'D' but Worst EVER? :speechless:

Is that Pure Hate or a true analysis/unbiased harsh criticism?

Here's the video skip to 8:06. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PxIC_An82o)

E.O.21
03-17-2011, 06:42 PM
The're up there in the top 5 worst ever

arkanian215
03-17-2011, 06:46 PM
C'mon Chuck! I know he gets paid to be loud but I don't care what he says.

llemon
03-17-2011, 06:47 PM
Someone would REALLY have to explain to me why ANYONE would pay any attention to what that certifiable moron Barkley says.

RZZZA
03-17-2011, 06:50 PM
wth, OP, are you not familiar with the rhetorical device known as hyperbole?

that's what this was, hyperbole.

abe_froman
03-17-2011, 06:51 PM
^ what rzzza said.while its probably not true,he wasnt saying it to be taken literally but to give emphasis on that they are horrible defensively

xabial
03-17-2011, 06:53 PM
wth, OP, are you not familiar with the rhetorical device known as hyperbole?

that's what this was, hyperbole.

You might as well say he's using hyperbole for every other crazy comment he's ever said. Stop giving him that much credit. He gets paid to be loud, and i want to know if people agree with his statement.

RZZZA
03-17-2011, 06:54 PM
well, he might be. its kinda hard without knowing the context.

He's just making the point that the Knicks defense is bad, not that you should literally believe that they're the worst ever.

abe_froman
03-17-2011, 06:56 PM
You might as well say he's using hyperbole for every other crazy comment he's ever said. Stop giving him that much credit. He gets paid to be loud, and i want to know if people agree with his statement.

he does,have you not noticed that after what,10 years as a commentator or 20+ as a player

you need to take a class on on how to read people,sarcasm might be lost on you as well if you cant get something like the things chuck says

xabial
03-17-2011, 06:56 PM
well, he might be. its kinda hard without knowing the context.

He's just making the point that the Knicks defense is bad, not that you should literally believe that they're the worst ever.

Maybe your right but then again its Chuck. I dunno man.

Jaydes
03-17-2011, 06:58 PM
I may be wrong but.....they just dont have good defense...

hgtiger32
03-17-2011, 06:59 PM
when was the last time that a team had 2 all star players and neither of them were even somewhat good at defense?

MJ and Pippen: MJ played great D
Shaq and Kobe: Shaq played good enough D and was a force
LeBron and Wade: Both play great D

i could go on and on. but thats the point that ill make. at least one of them has to get a defensive mentality

D Roses Bulls
03-17-2011, 07:03 PM
whats so crazy about what barkley said? they are one of the worst defensive teams I have ever seen.

xabial
03-17-2011, 07:03 PM
Does anybody else think its sarcasm? You might as well bail him out for any other crazy thing he said >.>.

I honestly think that was chuck being chuck. No hyperbole or sarcasm. Just him speaking out his mind.

BoozerYells
03-17-2011, 07:04 PM
^ mj and pippen both played excellent d

KG21
03-17-2011, 07:07 PM
Chuck is right!

I mean get your *** kicked by Indiana twice in the same week.

YOUR D SUCKS BIG TIME!

Jewelz0376
03-17-2011, 07:08 PM
they are pretty bad defensively...but I def wouldn't say worst ever...some of the recent warriors teams were just as bad if not worse on D than the knicks...

Sadds The Gr8
03-17-2011, 07:10 PM
he's right. they give up 115 like it's nothing. they're like the Raptors when it comes to defense.

KG21
03-17-2011, 07:11 PM
they are pretty bad defensively...but I def wouldn't say worst ever...some of the recent warriors teams were just as bad if not worse on D than the knicks...

True, but NY isnt GS so GS can be excused for playing bad D xD

Punk
03-17-2011, 07:13 PM
Wow, so Golden State and Toronto get excused? Pathetic honestly. Nobody gives us credit for when we play defense but when we struggle in games, we are the worst defense team ever lol

This thread sums it up.

allSUAVE
03-17-2011, 07:18 PM
Yet again :facepalm:

Flash3
03-17-2011, 07:18 PM
Wow, so Golden State and Toronto get excused? Pathetic honestly. Nobody gives us credit for when we play defense but when we struggle in games, we are the worst defense team ever lol

This thread sums it up.

Welcome to life as heat fans live it. ;)

smith&wesson
03-17-2011, 07:18 PM
no, i can name a few raptors teams and golden state teams that have been way worst ...

KG21
03-17-2011, 07:19 PM
Wow, so Golden State and Toronto get excused? Pathetic honestly. Nobody gives us credit for when we play defense but when we struggle in games, we are the worst defense team ever lol

This thread sums it up.

Dude when you have Amare and Anthony two top 15 players in the League today + they are very good at O end but they suck on D, and I do think Amare and Anthony can play solid D but they aren't doing that.And to add them two are one of the best offensive players in NBA right now so, win games with O if you cant with D, right? And if indiana kicks your bums considering what I said above...YES CHARLES CAN SAY YOU GUYS SUCK!

CB29
03-17-2011, 07:20 PM
it's called a joke and the knicks haven't exactly played great d this season anyways... However, the raps are a pretty bad team defensively too so i dunno if the knicks are that bad...

king4day
03-17-2011, 07:21 PM
lol @ people saying they could be the worst ever. Give them the summer and let them make some moves before judging. This is 4 players and a bunch of misfits. Nearly the entire team was changed.

Lakers + Giants
03-17-2011, 07:21 PM
since the melo trade they've been giving up 117. Chuck is right . . . only problem is it's a small sample size. But as of RIGHT NOW, i would have to agree.

KG21
03-17-2011, 07:22 PM
lol @ people saying they could be the worst ever. Give them the summer and let them make some moves before judging. This is 4 players and a bunch of misfits. Nearly the entire team was changed.

You do have a point there :)

Q_bully
03-17-2011, 07:23 PM
Everybody knows Charles Barkley hates the Knicks ..it goes far back since charles oakley use to punk him and make fun of him..

roshan3ai
03-17-2011, 07:23 PM
whats so crazy about what barkley said? they are one of the worst defensive teams I have ever seen.

Considering they aren't even the worst defensive team in the league this year, that means you've seen minimal teams play.

We aren't a great defensive team, but we aren't as bad as most say. Pace is a huge factor. We play one of the fastest paced offenses in the league, so that equals more possessions and more points. That puts us at 20 in defensive efficiency which is bad, but not terrible.

Q_bully
03-17-2011, 07:25 PM
But yea you have two superstars not acceptable to be lackadaisical on defense.

KG21
03-17-2011, 07:27 PM
Considering they aren't even the worst defensive team in the league this year, that means you've seen minimal teams play.

We aren't a great defensive team, but we aren't as bad as most say. Pace is a huge factor. We play one of the fastest paced offenses in the league, so that equals more possessions and more points. That puts us at 20 in defensive efficiency which is bad, but not terrible.

I get that, but man I don't understand how can Indiana take a W twice in a row vs NY?

Chi StateOfMind
03-17-2011, 07:29 PM
they arent great defensively but they arent the worst i mean ill take my chances with melo and statbefore i do gs or tor...... but i feel it has to do alot with the coach...i mean everywhere mike d goes his team defense is poor b/c he doesnt empahsie on defense....put doc rivers or thibs as the knicks coach and i bet u the knicks defense and the teams mentality will change drastically

KG21
03-17-2011, 07:29 PM
But yea you have two superstars not acceptable to be lackadaisical on defense.

I mean, they could do better job at playing D. So yes you lose one game to Indiana but why repeat that same thing all over again...I mean I would make sure to win it for the second time, cuz some crappy team took me to school xD While they sucks at both ends! xD

tredigs
03-17-2011, 07:34 PM
when was the last time that a team had 2 all star players and neither of them were even somewhat good at defense?

MJ and Pippen: MJ played great D
Shaq and Kobe: Shaq played good enough D and was a force
LeBron and Wade: Both play great D

i could go on and on. but thats the point that ill make. at least one of them has to get a defensive mentality

I'm laughing at the fact that you omitted Pippen. Who is a better defender then every player listed.

NYYCowboys
03-17-2011, 07:36 PM
They suck on defense, yes, but I mean there are teams that have won 12 games in a year. Some of those awful teams of years past definitely had a worse defense than the Knicks. But the Knicks defense is spotlighted because of how good on offense they are compared to how bad their defense is IMO.

Slimsim
03-17-2011, 07:38 PM
I love the Knicks but i agree. To many games i see the other team so wide open. our players just hope the Shot is a miss and that the ball bounce in their direction for a rebound.

IamKaiserSoze
03-17-2011, 07:40 PM
haven't you ever exaggerated to make a point? worst ever? probably not. but really, really bad? yup

pebloemer
03-17-2011, 07:42 PM
he's right. they give up 115 like it's nothing. they're like the Raptors when it comes to defense.

But our Raptor's have been doing it for much longer.... so wouldn't that make us the worst defensive team ever?

John Walls Era
03-17-2011, 07:42 PM
when was the last time that a team had 2 all star players and neither of them were even somewhat good at defense?

MJ and Pippen: MJ played great D
Shaq and Kobe: Shaq played good enough D and was a force
LeBron and Wade: Both play great D

i could go on and on. but thats the point that ill make. at least one of them has to get a defensive mentality

You're joking right? Pippen was a superb defender, imo one of the best. Kobe plays D as well.

John Walls Era
03-17-2011, 07:43 PM
Charles a good laugh, but doesn't know much. But tbf, Knicks D is awful.

roshan3ai
03-17-2011, 07:45 PM
I get that, but man I don't understand how can Indiana take a W twice in a row vs NY?

Because we have no interior presence on defense and on the boards. It's not like we're the worst team ever because we lost to Indiana twice in a row. It happens. Billups just came back two days ago. And we play the worst player in the league: Jared Jeffries.

Crackadalic
03-17-2011, 07:45 PM
Are we talking about the whole year or post melo trade. Were actually pretty bad now. For the whole year we were around 20th in def efficiently so idk how were the worst defensive team in nba history

GREATNESS ONE
03-17-2011, 07:50 PM
Mike D is a great offensive coach but his teams will always struggle on defense.

KG21
03-17-2011, 07:53 PM
Because we have no interior presence on defense and on the boards. It's not like we're the worst team ever because we lost to Indiana twice in a row. It happens. Billups just came back two days ago. And we play the worst player in the league: Jared Jeffries.

Amare could be that presence, and Turiaf is that energy guy who can block and rebound... :)

I dunno...

LOOTERX9
03-17-2011, 08:53 PM
KNICKS have the worst defensive coach in the history of the NBA. That's what Barkley should have said. They were awful defensively before Melo trade and the same after he got here. The suns with Dantoni were awful defensively too. So Barkleys hate needs to be keyed in on Dantoni instead. But we all know Barkley hates the knicks and the city so it is what it is

godolphins
03-17-2011, 09:23 PM
Its not a crazy comment

LA_Raiders
03-17-2011, 09:29 PM
lol, chuck is crazy

jrm2054
03-17-2011, 09:32 PM
they do suck on d

evadatam5150
03-17-2011, 09:36 PM
Interesting Charles Barkley comment when he was on the Late Night show with David Letterman. David Letterman asked him to give his opinion on the Knicks with everyone's excitement after acquiring Carmelo Anthony with Amare Stoudemire and this is Charle's response:

Charles Barklay "In the history of all basketball they may be the worst defensive team EVER..."


Too much or do you agree?... They arent exactly known for their 'D' but Worst EVER? :speechless:

Is that Pure Hate or a true analysis/unbiased harsh criticism?

Here's the video skip to 8:06. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PxIC_An82o)

Really...?? You're going to get your panties in a bunch over this...?? They aren't going to be a stellar defensive unit with either of these guys on the floor and that's a fact.. Charles is always over the top and that's why many people like or dislike him.. Personally I think the guys hilarious..

D Roses Bulls
03-17-2011, 09:42 PM
Considering they aren't even the worst defensive team in the league this year, that means you've seen minimal teams play.

We aren't a great defensive team, but we aren't as bad as most say. Pace is a huge factor. We play one of the fastest paced offenses in the league, so that equals more possessions and more points. That puts us at 20 in defensive efficiency which is bad, but not terrible.

I'm not going by stats, im going by what I see when I watch them play. the defensive numbers do not reflect how bad that team really is at D. If it werent for those games the knicks have had where they have shot great from 3 and teams werent firing up bad shots to try and get back in the game then the trust me the knicks numbers would be far far worse. if you understand what i am saying.

roshan3ai
03-17-2011, 09:52 PM
I'm not going by stats, im going by what I see when I watch them play. the defensive numbers do not reflect how bad that team really is at D. If it werent for those games the knicks have had where they have shot great from 3 and teams werent firing up bad shots to try and get back in the game then the trust me the knicks numbers would be far far worse. if you understand what i am saying.

That's poor reasoning. That can be said for any team. When one team goes up big, then the other team is obviously going to force some shots to try and get back in the game. It's not like the Knicks are the only team that gets a lead and then sees their opponents take a few unnecessary shots to try to get back in it. It happens to all solid teams.

The Knicks perimeter defense isn't too bad, It's the post defense. In the post we can't rebound well or defend well. Amar'e just never learned how to play post D without fouling. But his help D has improved. Turiaf is an okay defender downlow. Neither box out too much. Jeffries gets manhandled downlow. Shawne Williams actually plays good post D and boxes out well. It's not like OMG they suck so much on D they're the worst ever. They're a mediocre defensive team. Everyone knows that. It's because we have to center and can't rebound well. But the Knicks aren't the worst defensive team ever.

Rex-Raptorz
03-17-2011, 10:00 PM
wowwww....New York d is bad but you cant compare it to what phoenix or golden state have been doing for the past 10 years...

Punk
03-17-2011, 10:15 PM
I'm not going by stats, im going by what I see when I watch them play. the defensive numbers do not reflect how bad that team really is at D. If it werent for those games the knicks have had where they have shot great from 3 and teams werent firing up bad shots to try and get back in the game then the trust me the knicks numbers would be far far worse. if you understand what i am saying.

LOL Wut?

The Chicago Bulls shot 42% and the Knicks shot 45% in the last meeting on Christmas. That's not GREAT shooting. The Knicks held the Lakers to 39% shooting in LA. We lost simply due to rebounding and foul trouble.

Get over it. The Knicks play great defense against playoff teams. You don't wanna go by stats but the stats say so. We rank 26th in defense simply because we do not play consistent against losing teams.

We held Memphis to 43% shooting tonight. Another playoff team. I understand your a Bulls fan but It's pathetic that you cannot admit what's reality and the fact is we play better defense than you want to give us credit for.

The problem that we collectively as a team know and want to get better at is playing lockdown defense against BAD teams. Once we do that we are going to be a really really good team.

Evolution23
03-17-2011, 10:16 PM
Its in the dictionary, under D-E-F-E-n-S-E!
I may be wrong.....

Evolution23
03-17-2011, 10:18 PM
I agree with chuck. the knicks are not only the worst defensive team but also the worst offensive team.

godolphins
03-17-2011, 10:25 PM
Its in the dictionary its call defense D-E-F-E-N-S- E :D

CPJ08
03-17-2011, 10:30 PM
worst this season, but no where near worst in history

nate2usmc
03-17-2011, 10:33 PM
Wasn't Chuck known to be a defensive specialist when he played? oh wait, not really.

I love Chuck even though he hates on the Knicks. It's just him making Glenn Beck type comments.

buch88
03-17-2011, 10:34 PM
The worst in history is the warriors

Anilyzer
03-17-2011, 11:06 PM
uhhhh, maybe it makes sense in Charles Barkley's mind.

And it is a D'Antoni team, after all.

We might speculate that all of the Denver Nugget teams of the 80's and 90's had worse defenses, and would lose to the 2011 Knicks.

Probably we could say that 99% of all NBA teams during the 50's, 60's and 70's, some of them fielding centers who were 6'3" tall with coaches who had no understanding of modern defense, were worse.

Probably there are at least, conservatively, 500 previous NBA teams whose defense was FAAAAAARRR worse than that of the 2011 Knicks.

So, have some more ribs and donuts and a few pitchers of beer :cheers:

JNA17
03-18-2011, 12:10 AM
There really bad but...what about that 9-71 (I think) 76ers?

danniboi168
03-18-2011, 12:20 AM
stupid.

jonline87
03-18-2011, 12:43 AM
Knicks are fourth worst in the league defensively THIS YEAR!!

How does that make them the worst all-time?

They're not a good defensive team but the spotlight really skews reality.

Fnom11
03-18-2011, 12:46 AM
Such a dumb thread. It's obvious they're not the worst in history, but they're still a bad defensive team.

Kashmir13579
03-18-2011, 01:14 AM
yep its true.

Doogolas
03-18-2011, 01:17 AM
when was the last time that a team had 2 all star players and neither of them were even somewhat good at defense?

MJ and Pippen: MJ played great D
Shaq and Kobe: Shaq played good enough D and was a force
LeBron and Wade: Both play great D

i could go on and on. but thats the point that ill make. at least one of them has to get a defensive mentality

:laugh2: You forgot about Pippen being quite possibly the greatest wing defender in history?

sunsfan88
03-18-2011, 01:24 AM
Barkley is hilarious "We gave 2 days to find TrueTV"

I like how Letterman said " Man I forgot what I was gonna say...and I'm the one that went to college"

xabial
03-18-2011, 01:24 AM
Knicks lead the league in shot-blocking... I know they arent known for their defense but they cant be as bad as people make them out to be.

Doogolas
03-18-2011, 01:25 AM
Shot blocking does not imply good defense.

lakeshow3peat
03-18-2011, 01:29 AM
charles barkley i give you 100 dollars go to the casino please
They arent done with that team adding or subtracting so i wont say till they put more pieces to the puzzle

xabial
03-18-2011, 01:30 AM
Shot blocking does not imply good defense.

I think leading the league in shot-blocking at least implies them trying, even though they aren't exactly great defensively and game-pace has to be applied to the equation as well. I dont see how people see them as even potential to be the worst. This has to be a joke...right?

More-Than-Most
03-18-2011, 02:16 AM
Knicks are fourth worst in the league defensively THIS YEAR!!

How does that make them the worst all-time?

They're not a good defensive team but the spotlight really skews reality.

This might be true but they just got Anthony not to long ago and on top of that they play in the eastern conference where there are only a hand full of good teams and a vast majority of bad to really bad teams.


Getting Anthony was a monster of a mistake... Neither him or Amare will devote to ever becoming an ok defensive player and having their 2 monster contracts will hurt the knicks for a long time to come. Giving a max contract to a one dimensional player is a piss poor decision.... Giving 2 max contracts to 2 one dimensional players is flat out ********.

The only thing worse then what I wrote above is basically going for the hat trick scenario.

sunsfan88
03-18-2011, 02:29 AM
There's only 2 players on that team who actually care about D....Billups & Fields.

madiaz3
03-18-2011, 02:31 AM
curious as to what team let a player score 81 points on them

PLAYERS FAN
03-18-2011, 02:43 AM
Talking about over exaggerating.

stlbest5in2013
03-18-2011, 03:08 AM
in history, uh no.

as long as dantoni is their coach, uh yeah.

they are HORRIBLE on defense and that is a compliment. it does not matter how fast they play, the fact is they can not stop anyone.

they have done it a few times, but if they were even a decent defensive team, they would be able to run and hide from that 3 games above .500 record.

it will all show in the playoffs when teams that are contenders win games with defense and rebounding, and the knicks are out in the first round.

defense wins championships, there has never been an up tempo team to win it all. you can say the show time lakers, but that team played defense, something a dantoni team cant even spell.

MDfootball36
03-18-2011, 03:19 AM
Its close... It is painful to watch them play defense.

More-Than-Most
03-18-2011, 04:07 AM
curious as to what team let a player score 81 points on them

Small sample size for the win. Anything can happen in a 1 game span... A player can go for 50 or 60 and so on. In a 1 game span a team can have a let down game or just not be on while a player can shoot lights out. When Kobe went for 81 I am pretty certain both things happened.

HakeemTheDream
03-18-2011, 08:51 AM
A little overboard.

Mile High Champ
03-18-2011, 08:56 AM
^ mj and pippen both played excellent d

Yes sir, they did indeed. Pippen in my mind is the best perimeter defender ever.

DieHardColtsfan
03-18-2011, 09:08 AM
Terble

sunnydayin'zona
03-18-2011, 09:12 AM
when was the last time that a team had 2 all star players and neither of them were even somewhat good at defense?

MJ and Pippen: MJ played great D
Shaq and Kobe: Shaq played good enough D and was a force
LeBron and Wade: Both play great D

i could go on and on. but thats the point that ill make. at least one of them has to get a defensive mentality

probably last year. amare+nash.
haha we've forgotten already have we

Me and Mr. T
03-18-2011, 09:16 AM
Melo's D is so bad I'm sure even I could drop 50 on him lol

JARVIS123
03-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Charles Barkley wasnt a good defender.so why everthing coming out his fat mouth is defense ,defense,defense.maybe if he was a better defender for his team they would've been a whole lot better.i understand defense wins championships,but come on chuck don't sing it if you did'nt bring it !

EaglesJackson10
03-18-2011, 09:41 AM
They are terrible defensively but they might not even be the worst this season.

EaglesJackson10
03-18-2011, 09:45 AM
Minnesota gives up more points than them this year and there are about 4 teams who have a worse opp FG%

pd1dish
03-18-2011, 09:50 AM
Interesting Charles Barkley comment when he was on the Late Night show with David Letterman. David Letterman asked him to give his opinion on the Knicks with everyone's excitement after acquiring Carmelo Anthony with Amare Stoudemire and this is Charle's response:

Charles Barklay "In the history of all basketball they may be the worst defensive team EVER..."


Too much or do you agree?... They arent exactly known for their 'D' but Worst EVER? :speechless:

Is that Pure Hate or a true analysis/unbiased harsh criticism?

Here's the video skip to 8:06. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PxIC_An82o)

Chuck says stuff like this all the time. you guys are just over analyzing what he said and taking it too serious.

metsfanssince05
03-18-2011, 10:48 AM
I do agree. We cant stop any thing... We would have a pretty good lead in the fourth, give it up and trade baskets the rest of the game and lose...