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chi-townlove1
03-15-2011, 12:28 PM
Hey guys with seasons end looming, and playoff teams starting to make their push, I want to know who you guys believe has been the most overrated and underrated players of the season. One player for each position! Whether they are playing or not, Yao for instance, guys who were/are made out to be so much better than they really are..


My top 5 overrated

pg: Rajon Rondo
sg: Joe Johnson
sf: Carmelo Anthony
pf: Chris Bosh
c: Yao Ming

My top 5 underrated

pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Eric Gordon
sf: Danny Granger
pf: LaMarcus Alrdrige
c: Joe Noah

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-15-2011, 12:52 PM
Hey guys with seasons end looming, and playoff teams starting to make their push, I want to know who you guys believe has been the most overrated and underrated players of the season. One player for each position! Whether they are playing or not, Yao for instance, guys who were/are made out to be so much better than they really are..


My top 5 overrated

pg: Rajon Rondo
sg: Joe Johnson
sf: Carmelo Anthony
pf: Chris Bosh
c: Yao Ming

My top 5 underrated

pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Eric Gordon
sf: Danny Granger
pf: LaMarcus Alrdrige
c: Joe Noah

Good picks, but Granger isn't underrated.

Avenged
03-15-2011, 12:55 PM
How is Rondo overrated? Bosh? If anything Bosh is heavily underrated ever since he joined the Heat.

carnage101
03-15-2011, 12:59 PM
under rated sasha vujacich

before anyone over reacts i'm being sarcastic

BklynKnicks3
03-15-2011, 01:01 PM
melo overrated lol

ManRam
03-15-2011, 01:07 PM
The fact that half of people think Bosh is "half a man" make it impossible that he's overrated. If anything, I think he's become one of the most underrated players in the league. He's still a top 15-20 player in the league. Nothing has changed...except for his role on a team. His ability hasn't.

I hate these lists, because it's all about perceptions...and perceptions are hard to quantify.

I'll agree Melo is overrated. I never felt he was a top 5 player. He's too offensively focused, and I think he can be, for a lack of a better word, cancerous. Yes, he can hit big shots, but he can also put you in a situation where your team has no shot at winning a game on a last shot. He can disrupt a team's flow of offense too much.

allSUAVE
03-15-2011, 01:26 PM
Carmelo overrated wow lol .what if I said D rose is overrated .

Hustlenomics
03-15-2011, 01:28 PM
How is Rondo overrated? Bosh? If anything Bosh is heavily underrated ever since he joined the Heat.

lol :pity:

Carmelo overrated wow lol .what if I said D rose is overrated .

they'll deny it obviously

JARVIS123
03-15-2011, 01:29 PM
overrated pg/rondo. sg/joe johnson. sf/Turkoglu. pf/david lee.c/Bargnani. underrated pg/Felton. sg/kev. martin. sf/G.Wallace. pf/zach randolph. c/al jefferson.

Avenged
03-15-2011, 01:31 PM
lol :pity:


they'll deny it obviously

So you think Rondo is overrated? I'm surprised, actually.

Hustlenomics
03-15-2011, 01:32 PM
So you think Rondo is overrated? I'm surprised, actually.

i was shaking my head at the OP

Hawkeye15
03-15-2011, 01:32 PM
So you think Rondo is overrated? I'm surprised, actually.

nm

Rocketsfan85
03-15-2011, 01:33 PM
Overrated
PG-D.Rose (I'm prolly the only person but he's not even top 3pgs or top 10 in the league IMO)
SG-Eric Gordon
SF-
PF-Z.Randolph (takes too many shots and no D)
C-Not really any centers in the league but if I had to choose it be G.Oden
Underrated
PG-Hinrich
SG-K.Martin
SF-Iguadala
PF-Scola
C-

allSUAVE
03-15-2011, 01:35 PM
Overrated
PG-D.Rose (I'm prolly the only person but he's not even top 3pgs or top 10 in the league IMO)
SG-Eric Gordon
SF-
PF-Z.Randolph (takes too many shots and no D)
C-Not really any centers in the league but if I had to choose it be G.Oden
Underrated
PG-Hinrich
SG-K.Martin
SF-Iguadala
PF-Scola
C-

not the only one.

allSUAVE
03-15-2011, 01:39 PM
lol :pity:


they'll deny it obviously

of course they would .And I would be a homer if i disagree with him :facepalm:

Master Mind
03-15-2011, 01:41 PM
People saying Rose is overrated are :drunk:

allSUAVE
03-15-2011, 01:46 PM
People saying Rose is overrated are :drunk:

BUT rondo and carmelo overated .WOW

ILMindState
03-15-2011, 01:46 PM
In before this gets ugly. This whole over/under rated terminology is overrated.

Master Mind
03-15-2011, 01:47 PM
BUT rondo and carmelo overated .WOW

That's also drunk talk...

Master Mind
03-15-2011, 01:47 PM
In before this gets ugly. This whole over/under rated terminology is overrated.

Agreed

Rose-For-Prez
03-15-2011, 02:04 PM
Naw RocketsFan your not the only one I think most of the Heat and Knick haters will agree wit you and I didnt say all so dont get defensive.

But Melo and Rondo are not over rated they are both very good at what they do

bulls_world23
03-15-2011, 02:10 PM
Just cause 1 person thinks rondo is overrated doesnt mean we all think that.
I dont think Rondo or Melo are overrated. I do however think Bosh may be a little overrated.

Underrated i would say Rudy Gay?

Furymaker
03-15-2011, 02:11 PM
Deng , Ellis , Granger , Lowry , Big Baby , Westbrook , Horford ... - underrated
Joe Johnson is overrated

Shonuff
03-15-2011, 02:11 PM
BUT rondo and carmelo overated .WOW

Typing big and bold makes your statement more credible. Good job!

Swashcuff
03-15-2011, 02:16 PM
I have a question.

What quantifies being over/underrated?
Is there a difference between being underrated and unappreciated? I think so.

Some people use contract vs production to rate players thus saying Joe Johnson, Andre Iguodala etc are overrated.

Some go by hype thus saying Derrick Rose and Carmelo are overrated.

Others well they just take the route of hate and say Kobe and LeBron are overrated.

I could literally go on for days with this.

What makes a player overrated/underrated?

Master Mind
03-15-2011, 02:17 PM
Underrated-Marcus Thornton
Slightly overrated-Joakim Noah imo (I would have traded him for Melo in a heart beat)

Swashcuff
03-15-2011, 02:19 PM
Underrated-Marcus Thornton
Slightly overrated-Joakim Noah imo (I would have traded him for Melo in a heart beat)

Then that makes Bynum overrated as well not for the false Melo rumour but for the none trade of Jason Kidd about 4 years back?

Young and Stupid
03-15-2011, 02:21 PM
Overrated:
Rajon Rondo/Derrick Rose
Joe Johnson/Monta Ellis
Danny Granger/Carmelo Anthony
Carlos Boozer/Kevin Love
Andrew Bogut

Underrated:
Russell Westbrook/Tony Parker
Dwayne Wade/Andre Iguodala/Kevin Martin
LeBron James/Paul Pierce
Lamar Odom/Nene
Al Horford/Chuck Hayes (not really a center)

Edit: I look like a Heat fan with Wade and LeBron, but I'm serious. I'm not sure that people understand how good those two are.

Swashcuff
03-15-2011, 02:25 PM
Overrated:
Rajon Rondo/Derrick Rose
Joe Johnson/Monta Ellis
Danny Granger/Carmelo Anthony
Carlos Boozer/Kevin Love
Andrew Bogut

Underrated:
Russell Westbrook/Tony Parker
Dwayne Wade/Andre Iguodala/Kevin Martin
LeBron James/Paul Pierce
Lamar Odom/Nene
Al Horford/Chuck Hayes (not really a center)

This right here proves the point of perception.

A lot of people think that Granger is underrated while Iggy is overrated. A lot of others however hold your view that it is the other way around.

There is no hard pressed answer to this question IMO.

bulls_world23
03-15-2011, 02:27 PM
How is Rose overrated? he might win MVP? :facepalm:

i guess your name says it all... young n stupid

Master Mind
03-15-2011, 02:27 PM
Then that makes Bynum overrated as well not for the false Melo rumour but for the none trade of Jason Kidd about 4 years back?

Bynum>Noah

Young and Stupid
03-15-2011, 02:29 PM
This right here proves the point of perception.

A lot of people think that Granger is underrated while Iggy is overrated. A lot of others however hold your view that it is the other way around.

There is no hard pressed answer to this question IMO.

Well that goes without saying. All of this is subjective; it's extremely difficult to formulate objective analysis when the subject of the discussion is subjective, more specifically an individual's perception of others' views on specific players. In fact, I'd argue that there is nothing objective about the proverbial "overrated/underrated" debate, but I think it's a fun exercise. It's an extremely flawed discussion; I was just playing along.

strahan92osi72
03-15-2011, 02:33 PM
Overrated:
PG-B. Jennings
SG-J. Johnson
SF-D. Gallinari
PF-D. Lee
C-B. Lopez
Underrated:
PG-D. Collison
SG-K. Martin
SF-G. Walace
PF-L. Scola
C-A. Jefferson

Hellcrooner
03-15-2011, 03:31 PM
Overated 5

Jennings,Roy,Gay,Griffin,Bynum

Underated 5

Miller,Rudy Fernandez,Gallinari ,Aldrige,Scola

SteveNash
03-15-2011, 03:43 PM
Overrated:
Rose
Wade
Pierce
Gasol

Underrated
Deron
Gordon
LeBron
Dirk
Shaq

Lim
03-15-2011, 03:53 PM
overrated = d rose and blake griffin (for the amount of hype that they get)

Amare1
03-15-2011, 04:00 PM
Overrated:
PG Derrick Rose
SG Brandon Roy
SF Paul Pierce
PF Blake Griffin
C Brook Lopez

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 04:00 PM
Overrated
1. Melo (recent poll having him as a top 5-7 player) Defense is poop
2. Bynum
3. Blake Griffin. yeah i said it
4. Joe Johnson
5. Iguodala

Underrated
1. Monta Ellis
2. Chris Bosh
3. Westbrook
4. Aldridge

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 04:03 PM
Overrated:
Rose
Wade
Pierce
Gasol

Underrated
Deron
Gordon
LeBron
Dirk
Shaq

if he's underrated i'd hate to see when he is recognized.

ChitownSports16
03-15-2011, 04:08 PM
It's funny how most knicks fans say Rose is overrated...

jneises21
03-15-2011, 04:12 PM
Rose is overrated in the sense that he's not the best player in the NBA, as bulls fans tend to think he is

SteveNash
03-15-2011, 04:16 PM
if he's underrated i'd hate to see when he is recognized.

Create a poll on who is better this year LeBron or Wade.

If one person votes for Wade it's proof LeBron is underrated.

Tony_Starks
03-15-2011, 04:23 PM
Rondo is extremely overrated. Outside of Boston's system he would be very average if that. That was proven this summer at Fiba tourney when he went home because he couldn't beat out Rose or Westbrook for PT....


Derrick Rose is underrated but only on psd. The rest of the general sports world seems to recognize that he is pretty dog-gone good.

Furymaker
03-15-2011, 04:41 PM
Rose is overrated in the sense that he's not the best player in the NBA, as bulls fans tend to think he is
:facepalm:
show me just ONE quote where Bulls fan said Rose is the best player in NBA ?
Every Bulls said that he's from top 5 to top 10 , and in few years he will be top 10 .
And how is guy who's leading MVP candidate overrated ? with Boozer out 15+ games and Jo out 30+ games he still managed to keep Bulls top 3 seed in EC .

Ray_R
03-15-2011, 04:51 PM
Rose is overrated in the sense that he's not the best player in the NBA, as bulls fans tend to think he is

I dont think he is the best player. Im pretty sure you are just going by the Homer Bulls fans that post in the NBA Forum.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-15-2011, 05:02 PM
Carmelo overrated wow lol .what if I said D rose is overrated .

Melo is Monta Ellis on steroids

ellesmeire
03-15-2011, 05:03 PM
my picks

UNDERATED
PG- Darren Collison
SG- Paul Pierce
SF- Luol Deng
PF- Chris Bosh(hes still a franchise player, just not a winner)
C- Tim Duncan(I dont know how this is possible)

OVERATED
PG- Rajon Rondo
SG- Danny Granger
SF- Carmelo(its going to get worse now)
PF- Carlos Boozer(could be a horrible signing)
C- Andrew Bynum

ellesmeire
03-15-2011, 05:04 PM
Derrick is only as overated if people think that MVP=best player in the league, because rose is somewhere from 7-15

Ragan
03-15-2011, 05:08 PM
Overrated
PG - Rose (Because he's getting MVP consideration, not despite it. Rose is arguably not even top 3 at his own position, much less the NBA)
SG - Monta Ellis
SF - Gallinari
PF - D Lee
C - Perkins (I know he plays solid D, but he's a career 6/6 guy...)

Underrated
PG - Westbrook (Every bit as good as Rose IMO, 5% of the hype)
SG - Wade (2nd best player in the league, not "top 5")
SF - Iguodala
PF - Bosh
C - Marc Gasol

allSUAVE
03-15-2011, 05:15 PM
PSD never seize to Amaze me.

nolin
03-15-2011, 05:18 PM
Overrated
PG-D.Rose (I'm prolly the only person but he's not even top 3pgs or top 10 in the league IMO)
SG-Eric Gordon
SF-
PF-Z.Randolph (takes too many shots and no D)
C-Not really any centers in the league but if I had to choose it be G.Oden
Underrated
PG-Hinrich
SG-K.Martin
SF-Iguadala
PF-Scola
C-
lmao rocket fan picks to rockets on the underrated list

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-15-2011, 05:20 PM
Overated 5

Jennings,Roy,Gay,Griffin,Bynum

Underated 5

Miller,Rudy Fernandez,Gallinari ,Aldrige,Scola

If you're talking about Will Bynum, Yes

If Drew...u deserve this:facepalm:

Young and Stupid
03-15-2011, 05:21 PM
PSD never seize to Amaze me.

Is that so?

Tony_Starks
03-15-2011, 05:22 PM
PSD never seize to Amaze me.


What are you talking about man Melo is overrated! Michael Jordan wasn't all that! D Rose's 25 and 10 is not impressive. Magic Johnson was just tall! All Larry Bird could do was shoot 3's and win championships! Lebron is only good because he's probably the best athlete in the game and puts up Oscar Robertson numbers. Besides that HE SUCKS! Kobe isn't clutch..... PSD speaks the gospel man!!

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-15-2011, 05:24 PM
PSD never seize to Amaze me.

Melo's getting .105 win shares in 48 minutes

thats league's average

allSUAVE
03-15-2011, 05:33 PM
What are you talking about man Melo is overrated! Michael Jordan wasn't all that! D Rose's 25 and 10 is not impressive. Magic Johnson was just tall! All Larry Bird could do was shoot 3's and win championships! Lebron is only good because he's probably the best athlete in the game and puts up Oscar Robertson numbers. Besides that HE SUCKS! Kobe isn't clutch..... PSD speaks the gospel man!!

Lol probably the beat post of the week.

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 05:48 PM
Create a poll on who is better this year LeBron or Wade.

If one person votes for Wade it's proof LeBron is underrated.

You absolutely underrate Wade. Have you seen Wade's numbers? Have you seen Wade's defense lately? He is playing some damn good basketball. the fact that you think not a single person should pick wade is just ******** to be honest. Lebron underrated? thats one thing Lebron is not. Hate from other fan bases cannot be used against him. it's simply hate. Everyone knows Lebron is the best player on the planet.

VinceCarter
03-15-2011, 06:01 PM
Kris Humphries anyone?

Master Mind
03-15-2011, 06:09 PM
Kris Humphries anyone?

Underrated!

raptors3589
03-15-2011, 06:16 PM
Underrated:
eric gordon
chris bosh
Z. Randolph
kris humphries
luol deng
L. Aldridge
Dorrell Wright
Josh Smith

B'sCeltsPatsSox
03-15-2011, 06:19 PM
Kevin Love and Aldrige= Underrated. Blake Griffin= Overrated.

chi-townlove1
03-15-2011, 06:25 PM
It's funny how most knicks fans say Rose is overrated...

ya i agree....its hilarious how all knick and heat fans have to say derrick is overrated. it turned into a D rose hate thread, when i put nothing about Lebron or Wade in there, and only claim carmelo is overrated because of the conastant hype he gets about being a top 5 player, which is BS. But i created the thread so ill shut my mouth and let homers be homers.

Swashcuff
03-15-2011, 06:50 PM
At the end of every post in this thread should have an "IMO" because its really funny how to some one player is overrated but to others he's underrated.

It's all personal perception

Sadds The Gr8
03-15-2011, 06:51 PM
Hey guys with seasons end looming, and playoff teams starting to make their push, I want to know who you guys believe has been the most overrated and underrated players of the season. One player for each position! Whether they are playing or not, Yao for instance, guys who were/are made out to be so much better than they really are..


My top 5 overrated

pg: Rajon Rondo
sg: Joe Johnson
sf: Carmelo Anthony
pf: Chris Bosh
c: Yao Ming

My top 5 underrated

pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Eric Gordon
sf: Danny Granger
pf: LaMarcus Alrdrige
c: Joe Noah
good list except Granger

IBleedPurple
03-15-2011, 07:14 PM
Afflalo is very underrated

Kashmir13579
03-15-2011, 07:17 PM
Wes Johnson is underrated

Derrick Rose is overrated

if Rose wins MVP, Steve Francis should've with the Rockets.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-15-2011, 07:20 PM
Wes Johnson is underrated

Derrick Rose is overrated

if Rose wins MVP, Steve Francis should've with the Rockets.

:facepalm:

Swashcuff
03-15-2011, 07:25 PM
Wes Johnson is underrated

Derrick Rose is overrated

if Rose wins MVP, Steve Francis should've with the Rockets.

I have known you to be one of the best Knicks posters on here but this post isn't one of your best bro.

John Walls Era
03-15-2011, 07:49 PM
hahahaha terrible list by OP.

Tony_Starks
03-15-2011, 07:57 PM
Wes Johnson is underrated

Derrick Rose is overrated

if Rose wins MVP, Steve Francis should've with the Rockets.


Whoa! in the words of Mark Jackson "Your better than that!"

Come on mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

heattiltheend94
03-15-2011, 08:28 PM
Overrated
PG-D.Rose (I'm prolly the only person but he's not even top 3pgs or top 10 in the league IMO)


I agree.

Top3 overrated= Melo, DRose, and Duncan (I'm talking about now, not how good he used to be)
Top 3 underrated= K Mart, Zach Randolph, and Ellis

Extermin8r
03-15-2011, 09:22 PM
how the heck is joe johnson overated.
Underated=
gerald wallace
gortat
chuck hayes
earl clark

bmd1101
03-15-2011, 10:00 PM
What are you talking about man Melo is overrated! Michael Jordan wasn't all that! D Rose's 25 and 10 is not impressive. Magic Johnson was just tall! All Larry Bird could do was shoot 3's and win championships! Lebron is only good because he's probably the best athlete in the game and puts up Oscar Robertson numbers. Besides that HE SUCKS! Kobe isn't clutch..... PSD speaks the gospel man!!

Bleh why do people make up stats, rose doesnt average 25/10. Try 25/8 this year or carrer 20/6.

PippensBulls
03-15-2011, 10:20 PM
I would say that Bosh is underrated and Blake Griffin is overrated.

Gram
03-15-2011, 10:32 PM
Over; Ginobili, Zack Randolph, Varejao

Under; Holiday, Bledsoe, Nick Batum, Darrell Arthur

Duncan = Donkey
03-15-2011, 11:18 PM
Overrated

Pg Rondo
Sg Joe Johnson
Sf Carmelo
Pf Love
C Jefferson

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-16-2011, 03:21 AM
hahahaha terrible list by OP.

:confused:

NYKalltheway
03-16-2011, 03:34 AM
Underrated:

PG- Darren Collison
SG- Monta Ellis
SF- Andre Iguodala
PF- LaMarcus Aldridge
C- Al Jefferson

Overrated:

PG: Derrick Rose (just because he's the only PG that gets too much hype + his defense is quite some weakness which people tend to forget)
SG: Joe Johnson (not a MAX player, so overrated by the market rather than fans)
SF: ???? (Gallinari? :D )
PF: David Lee (0 defense but quite solid offensively-rebounding)
C: Andrea Bargnani (I dunno... Toronto fans love him tooooo much, something must go wrong there)

nitric
03-16-2011, 04:44 AM
Surprised Rose isn't on everyones list as he's essentially the most hated player on this forum

alencp3
03-16-2011, 04:50 AM
James Harden is underrated

abe_froman
03-16-2011, 04:57 AM
Overrated:

PG: Derrick Rose (just because he's the only PG that gets too much hype + his defense is quite some weakness which people tend to forget)

actually his d hasnt been bad this year,but defense is alot based on rep and his history was of being horrid so it'll take a few seasons(if he keeps it up)to shake that tag on him

toovey107
03-16-2011, 07:19 AM
Derrick Rose is actually a solid defender at this point.

Outside of Bull fans (well especially on PSD) I think one could actually argue that Rose is underrated. But, I'll leave that be.

Overrated

PG- Rondo
SG- Monta Ellis
SF- Melo
PF- Aldridge
C- B. Lopez

Underrated

PG- Ty Lawson
SG- Afflalo
SF- Luol Deng
PF- Scola
C- Hard to really pick someone here, so I'm gonna go with another SF- Paul Pierce

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-16-2011, 07:58 AM
Derrick Rose is actually a solid defender at this point.

Outside of Bull fans (well especially on PSD) I think one could actually argue that Rose is underrated. But, I'll leave that be.

Overrated

PG- Rondo
SG- Monta Ellis
SF- Melo
PF- Aldridge
C- B. Lopez

Underrated

PG- Ty Lawson
SG- Afflalo
SF- Luol Deng
PF- Scola
C- Hard to really pick someone here, so I'm gonna go with another SF- Paul Pierce

good picks, but Alridge is highly underrated.

j-mart
03-16-2011, 08:18 AM
Overrated - Bosh
Underrated - Scola

EaglesJackson10
03-16-2011, 09:00 AM
Bosh isn't overrated if anything he is underrated because ever since he joined the heat people have been saying he sucks or that he is overrated.

chi-townlove1
03-16-2011, 02:43 PM
Bosh isn't overrated if anything he is underrated because ever since he joined the heat people have been saying he sucks or that he is overrated.

he is way overrated. by heat fans, by the media, and by teams that dont have the opportunity to play him throughout the season. the fact that he has not lived up to expectations just shows that the hype was not all it should have been. people still claim he is better than amare and boozer, but as fans we are clearly seeing otherwise.

rhino17
03-16-2011, 06:28 PM
Overrated
PG: Steve Nash
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Andre Iguodala
PF: Chris Bosh
C: ?

Duncan = Donkey
03-16-2011, 07:21 PM
Overrated
PG: Steve Nash
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Andre Iguodala
PF: Chris Bosh
C: ?

How is Nash over rated, He is under rated these days. Most people dont even have him as a top 4 PG.

Swashcuff
03-16-2011, 07:24 PM
How is Nash over rated, He is under rated these days. Most people dont even have him as a top 4 PG.

None of those players are overrated. Including Nash, who is extremely underrated these days. One of the most unappreciated players currently in the league.

thekmp211
03-16-2011, 07:39 PM
Overrated
PG: Steve Nash
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Andre Iguodala
PF: Chris Bosh
C: ?

all of those guys are UNDERRATED, if anything. nash is still right there with the best point guards in the league, he's just old news.

toovey107
03-16-2011, 09:32 PM
good picks, but Alridge is highly underrated.
Eh, as a Bulls fan I have to hear about him on a constant basis (whole Tyrus/LA thing) so that's why.

Master Mind
03-16-2011, 09:50 PM
Kyle Lowry
Marcus Thornton
Nick Young
Jeff Green
Deandre Jordan

rhino17
03-17-2011, 12:18 AM
How is Nash over rated, He is under rated these days. Most people dont even have him as a top 4 PG.

he is the worst defender of his generation, there is a reason he has never made a finals appearance with some of the most talented teams of the last decade

HakeemTheDream
03-18-2011, 07:53 AM
he is the worst defender of his generation, there is a reason he has never made a finals appearance with some of the most talented teams of the last decade

Yeah... it's called the western conference.

HakeemTheDream
03-18-2011, 07:59 AM
Surprised Rose isn't on everyones list as he's essentially the most hated player on this forum

lol @ sensitive Rose fans.

Your boy happens to be the strong favorite for MVP so don't act like he's not loved.

HakeemTheDream
03-18-2011, 08:00 AM
I actually liked Derrick Rose more last year when he shot 48%, I didn't care that he got 0 MVP votes.

Now he's shooting 44% and he's the strong MVP favorite.... am I missing something here?

I love this Bulls team, they have the best defense in the league and play as a team. But where did all this Rose love come from?

If anything, Rose should be liked less than last year now that he's inefficient.

Look into history, every single pg who won finals MVP was efficient.

Billups shot 50% in the 2004 finals.

Isiah shot 54% in the 1990 finals.

Magic is efficient

Tony Parker is efficient.

Now look at the inefficient pgs, Iverson, Marbury, Francis..... can you name 1 inefficient pg who won a finals MVP?

Nope, I don't you can name even 1. And yet Rose is the runaway MVP favorite. That's why he's overrated.

checkit
03-18-2011, 05:34 PM
rose and griffin are overrated..hype not deserved and I used to like griffin.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
03-18-2011, 05:57 PM
The fact that half of people think Bosh is "half a man" make it impossible that he's overrated. If anything, I think he's become one of the most underrated players in the league. He's still a top 15-20 player in the league. Nothing has changed...except for his role on a team. His ability hasn't.

I hate these lists, because it's all about perceptions...and perceptions are hard to quantify.

I'll agree Melo is overrated. I never felt he was a top 5 player. He's too offensively focused, and I think he can be, for a lack of a better word, cancerous. Yes, he can hit big shots, but he can also put you in a situation where your team has no shot at winning a game on a last shot. He can disrupt a team's flow of offense too much.

Care to explain...

Beltrans Mole
03-18-2011, 06:15 PM
Derrick Rose has changed my mind this year...he's really playing unbelievably well this year. Even though he's more of a combo guard than a true PG, he's still great.

Duncan = Donkey
03-18-2011, 08:00 PM
he is the worst defender of his generation, there is a reason he has never made a finals appearance with some of the most talented teams of the last decade

What is the reason.......That he was always knocked out by a team which was a dynasty?

Or the fact they never had a fully healthy/active team to play the spurs. Or the fact PHX were dealt BS suspensions? Or the BS reffing?

Nash had nothing do do with not making the finals, he was the main reason why they were even there. Its actually laughable and embarrassing your using Nash as the reason they didn't make the finals. Main reason PHX did not make the finals was post defense and defensive rebounding, We always mad a SF playing PF and a PF playing C.

When he came back to PHX they were a crap lottery team, As soon as gets there they finish with the best record in the NBA 62-20. He led them them to a plethora of 50+win seasons.

Over rated my arse.

Sixerlover
03-18-2011, 08:19 PM
I think you should "rate" your perception of the players before you say overrated or underrated.

KingPosey
03-18-2011, 08:33 PM
Then that makes Bynum overrated as well not for the false Melo rumour but for the none trade of Jason Kidd about 4 years back?

Thats not a good comparison.

KingPosey
03-18-2011, 08:36 PM
I actually liked Derrick Rose more last year when he shot 48%, I didn't care that he got 0 MVP votes.

Now he's shooting 44% and he's the strong MVP favorite.... am I missing something here?

I love this Bulls team, they have the best defense in the league and play as a team. But where did all this Rose love come from?

If anything, Rose should be liked less than last year now that he's inefficient.

Look into history, every single pg who won finals MVP was efficient.

Billups shot 50% in the 2004 finals.

Isiah shot 54% in the 1990 finals.

Magic is efficient

Tony Parker is efficient.

Now look at the inefficient pgs, Iverson, Marbury, Francis..... can you name 1 inefficient pg who won a finals MVP?

Nope, I don't you can name even 1. And yet Rose is the runaway MVP favorite. That's why he's overrated.

If someone is inefficient in a series, then of course they arent going to win an MVP. Is that rocket science?

KnicksR4Real
03-18-2011, 08:46 PM
melo? hahaha. same with bosh. jesus. get your head on straight

Cano4prez
03-19-2011, 02:04 AM
Overrated: Melo, Rose

Underrated: Aldridge

JOhnnyTHaJet
03-19-2011, 02:48 AM
Overrated: Melo, Bosh, Monta

Underrated: Anthony Morrow, Aldridge, Granger

WeAreClutch
03-19-2011, 02:55 AM
kyle lowry is a top 10 point guard in the nba

CityofChaos
03-19-2011, 03:19 AM
Overrated:

PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Carmello Anthony
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: David Lee
C: Brook Lopez

Underrated:

PG: Kyle Lowry
SG: Aaron Afflalo
SF: Danny Granger
PF: Lamarus Aldridge
C: Marcin Gortat

JCSchwa
03-19-2011, 03:26 AM
how can the MVP be overrated ?

BradyIsTheMan12
03-19-2011, 03:29 AM
Glad to see that LaMarcus is getting some much deserved attention. He has taken his game to a different level this season, and he will only get better. We have wanted Aldridge to become a difference maker in the low block for a few years, and it finally has clicked, very glad he is going to be a Blazer for a long time.

Another underrated player is Andre Miller. He isn't great by any means, but he's a damn good floor general.

JCSchwa
03-19-2011, 03:48 AM
I actually liked Derrick Rose more last year when he shot 48%, I didn't care that he got 0 MVP votes.

Now he's shooting 44% and he's the strong MVP favorite.... am I missing something here?

I love this Bulls team, they have the best defense in the league and play as a team. But where did all this Rose love come from?

If anything, Rose should be liked less than last year now that he's inefficient.

Look into history, every single pg who won finals MVP was efficient.

Billups shot 50% in the 2004 finals.

Isiah shot 54% in the 1990 finals.

Magic is efficient

Tony Parker is efficient.

Now look at the inefficient pgs, Iverson, Marbury, Francis..... can you name 1 inefficient pg who won a finals MVP?

Nope, I don't you can name even 1. And yet Rose is the runaway MVP favorite. That's why he's overrated.

:facepalm:First off MVP and Finals MVP are 2 very different things and since rose hasnt played in the Finals yet then who knows how efficient he will be if the bulls make it that far, and btw Chauncey shot .394 that season and Isiah shot .438 in the 1990 season ... rose is averaging almost 2 more assists per game this year, he raised his 3pt percentage as well and also is averaging almost 4 more points per..so to answer your question ...YES you are missing something. ;)

NYK_kidd77
03-19-2011, 03:52 AM
Underrated: Players when they play for the Knicks.

Overrated: Players that immediately join another team after playing for the Knicks.

Duncan = Donkey
03-19-2011, 04:04 AM
Underrated: Players when they play for the Knicks.

Overrated: Players that immediately join another team after playing for the Knicks.

lol, so true.

I remember a time when the majority of Knick fans were talking Gallo up, saying the most outlandish stuff about him, like him becoming the next Dirk, lol.

Now that he has left you never hear about him at all because he has always been just an okay player.

sportzkid1503
03-19-2011, 04:07 AM
carmelo anthony is a great offensive player shooting the basketball and driving to the hoop. but hes not a good all around player. he cant play defense and isnt exactly the most athletic player out there. hes overrated because (my living in the new york/new jersey area) knick fans think hes the best thing thats ever happened. make no mistake about it hes good but hes not exactly michael jordan, lebron james, or kobe bryant. thats the kind of hype hes been getting. and rondo being overrated? absolutely not. hes a star. rose being overrated? maybe. and i only say that because he is INSANELY hyped up. hes the MVP of the league this year. hes an outstanding point guard. but i want to see how he finishes off this year (playoffs) and the next couple years before i put him up on a pedistal.

NYK_kidd77
03-19-2011, 04:11 AM
lol, so true.

I remember a time when the majority of Knick fans were talking Gallo up, saying the most outlandish stuff about him, like him becoming the next Dirk, lol.

Now that he has left you never hear about him at all because he has always been just an okay player.

Yeah the Dirk comparisons were stupid. But it works a different way too. Media guys when talking about the Knicks prior to Amare, or even with Amare would say the Knicks got no one. Then immediately after trading guys away I hear all this those guys were good players ****.

You can even see it on psd. Tons of Bulls fans talk about how the Knicks gave to much for scrub Melo, but while those guys were on the Knicks they sucked.

sportzkid1503
03-19-2011, 04:19 AM
Yeah the Dirk comparisons were stupid. But it works a different way too. Media guys when talking about the Knicks prior to Amare, or even with Amare would say the Knicks got no one. Then immediately after trading guys away I hear all this those guys were good players ****.

You can even see it on psd. Tons of Bulls fans talk about how the Knicks gave to much for scrub Melo, but while those guys were on the Knicks they sucked.

i still do think the knicks gave up too much. because they couldve gotten him in free agency and wouldnt have lost anybody. thats what dolan gets for listening to isaiah. donnie walsh knows what hes talking about. its too bad.

JCSchwa
03-19-2011, 04:20 AM
carmelo anthony is a great offensive player shooting the basketball and driving to the hoop. but hes not a good all around player. he cant play defense and isnt exactly the most athletic player out there. hes overrated because (my living in the new york/new jersey area) knick fans think hes the best thing thats ever happened. make no mistake about it hes good but hes not exactly michael jordan, lebron james, or kobe bryant. thats the kind of hype hes been getting. and rondo being overrated? absolutely not. hes a star. rose being overrated? maybe. and i only say that because he is INSANELY hyped up. hes the MVP of the league this year. hes an outstanding point guard. but i want to see how he finishes off this year (playoffs) and the next couple years before i put him up on a pedistal.

HAHA so Rondo is unquestionably not overrated, while he succeeds playing with 3 no doubt hall of famers, just because they won a championship? However Rose's being overrated is in question, while he carries his entire team on his back and is MVP in his 3rd year in the league @ 22yo ? dont get me wrong Rondo is a great player and i dont mean to take anything away from him but before people start calling Rose overrated while comparing him to Rondo, i think the supporting cast should probably be taken in mind.

JCSchwa
03-19-2011, 04:28 AM
pretty sure if GarPax called up Danny Ainge about a Rose-Rondo swap, Ainge would take it and not look back.

sportzkid1503
03-19-2011, 04:32 AM
HAHA so Rondo is unquestionably not overrated, while he succeeds playing with 3 no doubt hall of famers, just because they won a championship? However Rose's being overrated is in question, while he carries his entire team on his back and is MVP in his 3rd year in the league @ 22yo ? dont get me wrong Rondo is a great player and i dont mean to take anything away from him but before people start calling Rose overrated while comparing him to Rondo, i think the supporting cast should probably be taken in mind.

understood. its just that everything i ever see on this site is rose related. hes much more hyped up than rondo is. im not saying that rondo is as good as rose by any stretch of the imagination. rose is better than rondo. yes hes the mvp. but even the mvp can be overhyped. when people think of the celtics yeah its the big 3 allen, pierce, and garnett (and im still guilty of thinking that way). and rondo being the 4th guy. its not his fault that he has a great team around him. hes a great player.

JCSchwa
03-19-2011, 04:52 AM
understood. its just that everything i ever see on this site is rose related. hes much more hyped up than rondo is. im not saying that rondo is as good as rose by any stretch of the imagination. rose is better than rondo. yes hes the mvp. but even stars can be overhyped. when people think of the celtics yeah its the big 3 allen, pierce, and garnett (and im still guilty of thinking that way). and rondo being the 4th guy. its not his fault that he has a great team around him. hes a great player.

of course you are right it is not his fault he is on a great team and i agree he is a great player...and this site is a hot bed for Rose-hype (which i think is legitimate) but PSD has a huge chicago following and the guy is gonna (should) be the MVP so obviously there is gonna be a lot of hype surrounding him. But look back one year when Durant was the name that was being hyped as MVP and all that jazz. Now Lebron ended up gettin the hardware, but Durant was by no means overhyped or overrated or over-anythinged. The guy is a stud and was at the same point in his career as Rose is now. And if we are talking about backin it up in the post-season, KD made his playoff debut last year (his 3rd yr)...Rose has been in the playoffs every year, and was knocked out in his rookie year by the would be champion Celtics and then last year by the MVP Cleveland Lebrons, both series went a strong 7 games and Rose shined and gave the #1 seeds quite the scare.

checkit
03-19-2011, 06:06 AM
pretty sure if GarPax called up Danny Ainge about a Rose-Rondo swap, Ainge would take it and not look back.

sorry he doesnt fit with our team. we need a true pg...like cp3 or nash..not a short sg.

MOST
03-19-2011, 06:25 AM
Overrated: Miami heat
underrated: Chicago bulls

Lol

MOST
03-19-2011, 06:26 AM
Or underrated: the rest of the league

Arch Stanton
03-19-2011, 12:12 PM
Over; Ginobili, Zack Randolph, Varejao

Under; Holiday, Bledsoe, Nick Batum, Darrell Arthur

Your overrated list sucks. All those guys are underrated.

UKblazers
03-19-2011, 02:09 PM
Overrated: Kevin Martin

Underrated: Andre Miller

Raph12
03-19-2011, 03:05 PM
I love the irony in a Bulls fan starting a thread about which players are overrated lol...

Rocketsfan85
03-19-2011, 03:27 PM
Lol Chicago Bulls fans are very sensitive on D.Rose being overrated lol...

John Walls Era
03-19-2011, 04:05 PM
how can the MVP be overrated ?

Not saying he is overrated, but a MVP can definitely be overrated. Meaning hes undeserving of the award.

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How is Yao overrated? Best C when healthy. Bosh is definitely not overrated, hes would easily be the 2nd best player on most teams, but on PSD people make it seem like he sucks. Kyle Lowry is underrated, glad the Rockets got rid of "want more money" Brooks.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-19-2011, 04:07 PM
Not saying he is overrated, but a MVP can definitely be overrated. Meaning hes undeserving of the award.

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How is Yao overrated? Best C when healthy. Bosh is definitely not overrated, hes would easily be the 2nd best player on most teams, but on PSD people make it seem like he sucks. Kyle Lowry is underrated, glad the Rockets got rid of "want more money" Brooks.

ridicioulus

RowanJournalist
03-19-2011, 04:17 PM
Blake Griffin = Overrated. He's a solid player, but the media is all over his man-beads.

LA_Raiders
03-19-2011, 04:46 PM
Overrated: Miami heat
underrated: Chicago bulls

Lol

Agree

JCSchwa
03-19-2011, 05:02 PM
Lol Chicago Bulls fans are very sensitive on D.Rose being overrated lol...

well it is kind of asinine to call the MVP overrated, ya i know it sucks that everyone cant have DRose on their team, i get it, lol. but to call the guy overrated with the season he is having at his age and point in his career is ridiculous, hes been in the playoffs every year since being drafted and is now dominating the competition so if hes overrated then back it up your argument so you dont sound like such an ignorant hater.

JCSchwa
03-19-2011, 05:05 PM
sorry he doesnt fit with our team. we need a true pg...like cp3 or nash..not a short sg.

i understand what you're saying however i respectfully disagree. i think a lot of rose's game is dictated but what he has to do in this offense. if you surround him with those types of superstars i think the machine would run flawlessly. not that boston's machine needs and tweaking, it was just a hypothetical scenario.

PrettyBoyJ
03-19-2011, 05:11 PM
Overrated-

PG- Rondo
SG- Monta Elis
SF- Carmelo/Durant
PF- Pau Gasol
C- Tyson Chandler

Underrated-

PG- Russel Westbrook
SG- Manu
SF- Rudy Gay
PF- L. Aldridge
C- Andrew Bogut

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-19-2011, 05:21 PM
Overrated-

PG- Rondo
SG- Monta Elis
SF- Carmelo/Durant
PF- Pau Gasol
C- Tyson Chandler

Underrated-

PG- Russel Westbrook
SG- Manu
SF- Rudy Gay
PF- L. Aldridge
C- Andrew Bogut

wrong

Albrecht Duerer
03-19-2011, 05:23 PM
sorry he doesnt fit with our team. we need a true pg...like cp3 or nash..not a short sg.

Rondo isnt like those guys. Rondo is a one-trick pony.

Arch Stanton
03-19-2011, 05:32 PM
Blake Griffin = Overrated. He's a solid player, but the media is all over his man-beads.

I agree. He also gets too many star calls.

JCSchwa
03-19-2011, 05:42 PM
callin durant overrated is just hilarious ....whos the most overrated baseball player Albert Pujols lol....some of you guys need to know the difference between overrated and highly-rated ....i think we should have a new thread about the most overhated players hahah get real people

RowanJournalist
03-19-2011, 05:43 PM
I agree. He also gets too many star calls.

Anyone who wins an All-Star Weekend competition before it begins deserves a lot less then they receive. I own a Honda Accord, I'm white as hell' and I can jump over my hood. I'm not impressed with him nearly as much as his media stalkers.

RowanJournalist
03-19-2011, 05:44 PM
Plus, his overall game isn't impressive either. His jumper is broke, but he can throw down. That's about it. Hello Darius Miles. :p

John Walls Era
03-19-2011, 07:34 PM
Plus, his overall game isn't impressive either. His jumper is broke, but he can throw down. That's about it. Hello Darius Miles. :p

One thing is for sure... Darius Miles acting skills are way better. Griffin had trouble acting like he didn't know he was going to win the Dunk Contest by showing up with lame dunks.

Greet
03-20-2011, 11:07 AM
Too many pages for me to read everyone else's but here I go

My top 5 overrated

pg: D-Rose
sg: Monta Ellis
sf: Gerald Wallace
pf: Amar'e Stoudemire
c: David Lee

My top 5 underrated

pg: Jose Calderon
sg: Iggy
sf: Luol Deng
pf: Josh Smith
c: Nene Hilario

Gram
03-20-2011, 12:39 PM
Too many pages for me to read everyone else's but here I go

My top 5 overrated

pg: D-Rose
sg: Monta Ellis
sf: Gerald Wallace
pf: Amar'e Stoudemire
c: David Lee

My top 5 underrated

pg: Jose Calderon
sg: Iggy
sf: Luol Deng
pf: Josh Smith
c: Nene Hilario

Really? Wallace over and Calderon under? Have you seen Calderon play defense? Oh wait...he doesn't. lol.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-20-2011, 12:46 PM
Too many pages for me to read everyone else's but here I go

My top 5 overrated

pg: D-Rose
sg: Monta Ellis
sf: Gerald Wallace
pf: Amar'e Stoudemire
c: David Lee

My top 5 underrated

pg: Jose Calderon
sg: Iggy
sf: Luol Deng
pf: Josh Smith
c: Nene Hilario

agree with everyone else though

Greet
03-20-2011, 01:43 PM
agree with everyone else though

D-Rose isn't a very efficient scorer, average passer, above average rebounder, decent defender. Yet people put him above guys like CP3/D-Will, saying he's the next great thing. He's overrated

Hunter48MVP
03-20-2011, 02:08 PM
melo overrated lol

My favorite basketball player is Carmelo Anthony but he is overrated. Who was the one that push the sLakers to the limits? No not Melo it was Chauncey Billups. They were nobodies coming in to the 2008-09 season but when Denver acquired Billups they were a serious threat to the Lakers.

Lakers + Giants
03-20-2011, 02:10 PM
Underrated: James Harden, Aaron Afflalo, Darren Collison, Dejuan Blair, Louis Williams

Overrated: Rodrigue Beaubois, Josh Childress, Kirk Hinrich, Jeff Green, Aaron Brooks

KnicksorBust
03-20-2011, 02:12 PM
D-Rose isn't a very efficient scorer, average passer, above average rebounder, decent defender. Yet people put him above guys like CP3/D-Will, saying he's the next great thing. He's overrated

Is that anyway to talk about this year's MVP? :)

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-20-2011, 03:01 PM
my favorite basketball player is carmelo anthony but he is overrated. Who was the one that push the slakers to the limits? No not melo it was chauncey billups. They were nobodies coming in to the 2008-09 season but when denver acquired billups they were a serious threat to the lakers.

+1

Raph12
03-20-2011, 04:04 PM
D-Rose isn't an efficient scorer at all, average passer, average rebounder, below-avg defender. Yet people put him above guys like CP3/D-Will, saying he's the next great thing. He's overrated

Fixed and x2

SeoulBeatz
03-20-2011, 04:36 PM
I think the term "overrated" is overrated so I'll just do under.

PG: Jrue Holiday: homer, but dude is stills slept on)
SG: Manu: I personally think he top 5 in most skilled players in the NBA, dude is a flat out beast. He does everything right on the offensive end.
SF: Gerald Wallace: He is playing like he did in Charlotte, manchild on defense.
PF: Zach Randolph: He is one of the most skilled big men in the league with great size. He finally got his head out of his *** and has commited himself to rebounding and at least TRYING on the defensive end. He may not be the best PF in the league, but he is top 5.
C: Andrew Bogut: He is a legit center and he is a serious force in the paint when healthy, but he is never mentioned amongst top C's.

gsgs49
03-20-2011, 05:00 PM
Overrated:
Jennings/Harris
Johnson/Terry
Melo/Beasly
Griffin
Brook Lopez
Coach:Scott Brooks/Rick Carlise

Underrated:
Nash/Holiday/Lowry
Eric Gordon/Mathews
Iggy/Wallace/Marion
Scola/Humphries
Horford
Coach:Nate Mcmillan

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-20-2011, 05:11 PM
Overrated:
Jennings/Harris
Johnson/Terry
Melo/Beasly
Griffin
Brook Lopez
Coach:Scott Brooks/Rick Carlise

Underrated:
Nash/Holiday/Lowry
Eric Gordon/Mathews
Iggy/Wallace/Marion
Scola/Humphries
Horford
Coach:Nate Mcmillan

pretty good

jim51990
03-20-2011, 05:56 PM
Over
Rose , ray Allen, melo, amare, bynum
Under
Dwill (clearly best PG and doesn't get the credit, Eric gordan, dirk (same as dwill case ) gasol ( the real reason the Lakers won last year ) and Noah (as much as I hate the bulls)

John Walls Era
03-20-2011, 11:03 PM
Kris Humphries AKA Mr. Kardashian is underrated as well.

hugepatsfan
03-20-2011, 11:15 PM
Chris Paul is underrated. He is by far the best PG in the NBA and if there was a poll on ESPN or PSD he probably wouldn't win. :facepalm:

Slimsim
03-20-2011, 11:22 PM
Underated

PG Westbrook
SG Manu
SF Gallo
PF DIRk
C Bogut

Duncan = Donkey
03-20-2011, 11:54 PM
Underated

PG Westbrook
SG Manu
SF Gallo
PF DIRk
C Bogut

lol, no chance. Dude is over rated.

checkit
03-21-2011, 12:55 AM
lol, no chance. Dude is over rated.

yeah I don't get this one as well..maybe in the beginning of the season..but his play as of late isn't as good as folks are making him to be.