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MFFL==FML
03-14-2011, 05:56 PM
How badly did the refs screw the Mavericks in the 2006 NBA Finals?

THIS POLL SHOULD EXCLUDE MAVERICK AND HEAT FANS!! NO HEAT OR MAVERICK FANS VOTE PLEASE!!

Cano4prez
03-14-2011, 05:56 PM
0

Hustlenomics
03-14-2011, 05:56 PM
1 because Dirk missed a free throw that would have put them up 3-0

Jewelz0376
03-14-2011, 05:57 PM
0

(isn't there already a thread on this?)

SteveNash
03-14-2011, 05:57 PM
8 (10 being highest)

Jonathan2323
03-14-2011, 05:58 PM
1

people will comment on this and they don't even remember the series, they will just look at the stats.

MFFL==FML
03-14-2011, 06:00 PM
1 because Dirk missed a free throw that would have put them up 3-0

So missing a free throw means refs aren't bias? You aren't very bright are you? :P

bulls_world23
03-14-2011, 06:01 PM
-1 :shrug:

MFFL==FML
03-14-2011, 06:02 PM
0

(isn't there already a thread on this?)

I wanted the poll as well as to exclude Heat and Maverick fans from voting.

J-Relo
03-14-2011, 06:02 PM
So missing a free throw means refs aren't bias? You aren't very bright are you? :P

you are a fan of???


get over it. it's history.

Big Zo
03-14-2011, 06:04 PM
The real question should be "How bad did the Mavs screw themselves?"

MFFL==FML
03-14-2011, 06:05 PM
-1 :shrug:

-1? They Refs were really that against the Heat in that series? Even a homer should pick 5... fair game, but to say they screwed the heat just shows how idiotic voters can be. :P

MFFL==FML
03-14-2011, 06:06 PM
The real question should be "How bad did the Mavs screw themselves?"

They had NO role in letting Tim Donaghy officiating the game. Not sure how having a ref who goes to prison for cheating is considered screwing yourself.

kswissdaf
03-14-2011, 06:09 PM
On a scale of 1 to 10 how bad did dirk choke

Lakers + Giants
03-14-2011, 06:09 PM
The better team won. Lakers got robbed in game 2 of the 08 finals, but still the better team won. Every championship team won because they were the better team IMO.

asandhu23
03-14-2011, 06:10 PM
ib4l

Big Zo
03-14-2011, 06:13 PM
They had NO role in letting Tim Donaghy officiating the game. Not sure how having a ref who goes to prison for cheating is considered screwing yourself.

Yeah... Except Donaghy wasn't a part of that series. How about having a 13 point lead halfway through the 4th quarter of game 3 with a golden opportunity to go up 3-0?

PURPLEBLOOD28
03-14-2011, 06:15 PM
4 years ago, who cares, get over it

jules77
03-14-2011, 06:16 PM
0 they had plenty of chances to win..its not a 1 game series its a 7 game series..classic choke job

Lakerhead4ever
03-14-2011, 06:16 PM
who cares. its the past

John Walls Era
03-14-2011, 06:18 PM
The scale is wrong.. 1-5 shouldn't be about the Heat getting screwed if the question is "How bad were the Mavs screwed".

J-Relo
03-14-2011, 06:23 PM
7 at most.

can you make a full review of the series, including bad call and no-calls?.. as far as I remember those series didn't have the best possible officiating, but nobody got robbed.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-14-2011, 07:02 PM
Mavs got robbed.

210Don
03-14-2011, 07:04 PM
who cares

knightstemplar
03-14-2011, 07:04 PM
who cares

:clap:

TylerSL
03-14-2011, 07:09 PM
They had NO role in letting Tim Donaghy officiating the game. Not sure how having a ref who goes to prison for cheating is considered screwing yourself.

ok so lets miss a free throw instead of going up 3 games to 0 and lets call a time out in the final seconds of game 5 so you have to go full court instead of half court and get a decent shot. The Mavericks did it to themselves. Its history......

IversonIsKrazy
03-14-2011, 07:10 PM
I watched the full series that year. I remember it all. As much as the refs favoured Wade and made sure no one can touch him, Mavs displayed the great choke-job of all-time NBA Finals History. If the series was truly rigged, they wouldn't give Mavs a 2-0 lead, with another 13pt lead in the 4th to make it impossible for Heat to get back. If it was rigged, why wouldn't they make the series closer? why make it nearly 3-0? Of-course, I remember games 3,5,6 when Wade got to the line 20+ times, it was nothiing more than Superstar Treatement in my eyes. It might of been a bit more, but no way it was rigged. THe refs did indeed favour Wade, but the series was not rigged, thas for sure.

Mavericks displayed a true classic of a Choke-Job, 6 mins left with 10+ lead up 2-0 in the series, it was theirs, but they managed to let it go. They f*cked themselves, no refs can screw up the MAvericks championship run than the choke-job they displayed.

justinnum1
03-14-2011, 07:13 PM
The real question should be "How bad did the Mavs screw themselves?"

this...about to go up 3-0 and then Dwyane Wade happened

REGular
03-14-2011, 07:18 PM
I'm a Heat fan who wants to vote a 9 or 10, am I "allowed" to vote?

TylerSL
03-14-2011, 09:50 PM
lol at the Mavs were 100% robbed is leading. I bet 1/2 the people that voted that dont remember in Game 5 that the Mavs called Time Out after Wade's first FT so they had to go Full Court with like 2 seconds left instead of calling Time Out after 2nd FT so they could get it at 1/2 court. I also bet they dont remember the Mavs had a 13 point lead with 7 min. left in game 3 already up 2-0. Then Dwyane Wade happened!

drobe86
03-14-2011, 09:57 PM
10... The foul calls in that series were the worst I've ever seen. I give alot of credit to Wade though. He would just drive to the lane, and then throw himself on the ground, and they would give him the ball. The foul ratio was out of this world that series. Losig that series didn't bother me like it could have. The calls in that game were blatant....

M.Bibby2.0
03-14-2011, 10:22 PM
On a scale of 1 - 10, 10 being '02 WCF KINGS robbery. :) lets not fight lakers fans, just setting a reference scale.

I would say... 6.5, I really don't think it was "rigged" but wade did have some ref help. That being said, mavs were probably a FT away from a championship on lock, and i remember that time-out call as well, that could've been avoided and lead to a potential win, dirk can shoot from almost anywhere on the offensive side of the court.

This being said, it was blatantly obvious Josh Howard didn't want to use their last timeout then and there, and that he meant after the FT. But rules are rules, sucks to be a mavs fan in 06, at least redemption is a possibility for the mavs.

buch88
03-14-2011, 10:26 PM
Kings got screwed more in game 2002 because if they won that game, they would have won the championship. no way the nets could have handled the kings in the finals.

the heat mavs was different because it wasn't a game that decided the series like in the kings lakers 2002 game. hard to believe the kings lost that game by 4 points, even with the horrific officiating.

Legitimate
03-14-2011, 10:27 PM
I would have to vote 8, It's a shame that Stern had wanted the Heat to win the championship that year. Yeah of course Wade is going to relentlessly attack the rim when he knows the refs are in his corner. 2002 kings were robbed as well, that team was just too damn good to not win it. I actually watched that Kings game and it was phantom call after phantom call it was atrocious.

buch88
03-14-2011, 10:28 PM
On a scale of 1 - 10, 10 being '02 WCF KINGS robbery. :) lets not fight lakers fans, just setting a reference scale.

I would say... 6.5, I really don't think it was "rigged" but wade did have some ref help. That being said, mavs were probably a FT away from a championship on lock, and i remember that time-out call as well, that could've been avoided and lead to a potential win, dirk can shoot from almost anywhere on the offensive side of the court.

This being said, it was blatantly obvious Josh Howard didn't want to use their last timeout then and there, and that he meant after the FT. But rules are rules, sucks to be a mavs fan in 06, at least redemption is a possibility for the mavs.

yeah the heat mavs wasn't rigged.... but i'm sure there was some ref gambling/betting and stuff of that nature going on. game 6 of the 2002 wcf WAS RIGGED because stern and the nba wanted a 7 game series. that was a dramatic series and the nba knew a game 7 would bring in all kinds of viewers and money.

the court allegations said the refs were told "it would in the nba's best interest to add another game to the series."

WickedBadMan
03-14-2011, 10:34 PM
I picked 9, as the Kings-Lakers series was the worst.

M.Bibby2.0
03-14-2011, 10:40 PM
yeah the heat mavs wasn't rigged.... but i'm sure there was some ref gambling/betting and stuff of that nature going on. game 6 of the 2002 wcf WAS RIGGED because stern and the nba wanted a 7 game series. that was a dramatic series and the nba knew a game 7 would bring in all kinds of viewers and money.

the court allegations said the refs were told "it would in the nba's best interest to add another game to the series."

I agree with you, i mean people have to remember that this is a business, and an additional game can add millions in revenue for such a series.

MFFL==FML
03-15-2011, 06:09 PM
I'm just glad the majority of basketball fans know the series was one of the worst officiated NBA Finals of all time. :)

hotpotato1092
03-15-2011, 07:10 PM
Only 1-10? Try 44, then we might get an accurate measure. Other than game 6 of the 2002 western conference finals, there has never been worse officiating in the NBA, only this took place over a whole series! Just look at the numbers:

- Dwyane Wade attempted an ASTONISHING 97 free throws over the course of the 6 games, for an average of 16.2 attempts per game, by contrast he averaged only 10.7 in the regular season, for a difference of 5.5 attempts per game.

- You may say that stars get more calls in the playoffs, so that increase is to be expected, but over his first 17 playoff games (the first three rounds) he averaged only 9 attempts per game. Just think about that for a minute, his average attempts jumped 7.2 between the playoffs and finals. This jump is unheard of in NBA history. For example, Kobe Bryant averages 7.6 free throw attempts per game in the regular season, 7.4 attempts in the playoffs, and 6.7 attempts in the finals.

- Given that he shot 81% from the line in the playoffs, that jump of 7.2 attempts is worth an extra 5.8 points per game. In the regular season that's no big deal, but in the playoffs? That means EVERYTHING. Take away those 5.8 points, and Miami loses games 3 and 5 to Dallas and loses the series 4-1 (neither game goes to overtime without those extra points).

- Now look at this: in games 5 and 6, Wade shot an absolutely absurd 46 free throws. Think about that, 46 free throws, to give a point of comparison, the star laden NBA champion Lakers just played two games against marquee opponents (Orlando and 2006 finals loser Dallas) and shot 32 free throws... AS A TEAM. Wade's Heat have played two marquee opponents in their last three games (LA and the Spurs) and shot only 42 free throws as team, but remember, they also have LeBron James and Chris Bosh. My point is, 46 free throws in two games is absolutely insane. If we lower that to Wade's playoff average of 9 attempts per game and adjust his scoring accordingly, the Heat would have lost game 5 by 11 points, rather than winning it by one in OT, and would have lost game 6 by 8 points, making Dallas the NBA champs. Even with his regular season numbers, Dallas would have won both of those games. When you add in his 18 attempts in game 3 (which Miami won in OT), Dallas lost 3 games solely due to Wade's increase in free throw attempts.

This was the worst officiated series in NBA history, the referees were so egregiously in Miami's favor that a part of me didn't want to wear my Devin Harris jersey while watching on my couch out of fear that I'd be called for a foul on Wade. I'm not a Mavs fan, I'm a Knicks fan, but I was rooting for the Mavs in that series and I remember thinking that there was no way that series wasn't rigged. My stance has softened a bit since then, but to this day I still believe that SOMETHING fishy happened between games 2 and 3 that turned the tide in Miami's (and more specifically, Dwyane Wade's) favor. It makes sense on David Stern's part, it gave the league a chance to push a new superstar, one not named Kobe Bryant or LeBron James, and I'm sure he didn't want to hand Mark Cuban the trophy after how often he criticized the league, but I just think it's a damn shame that one of the great teams of the past decade (the Mavs) and one of the great players (Dirk) had to be robbed of a title. I understand that it's a business Mr. Stern, but at the same time it's also a game, games should be played fairly, and I will never believe that those games were, I'll hold that with me until the day that I die.

DoJoTheSlasher
03-15-2011, 07:18 PM
We went up 2-0 and after choking game 3 (yes we did), Stern decided he wanted Wade to be his new pet project so the refs screwed us then. 98 free throws in the series for Wade? As many free throws as our entire team in game 5 or 6 (25)? Yeah that's ******** and Heat fans know it, there is just ZERO chance they admit it. I'm over it but it was ********.

SportsFanatic10
03-15-2011, 07:21 PM
lol this thread is a joke just like the mavs D on Wade....he owned them get over it

Tony_Starks
03-15-2011, 07:26 PM
0. When you're up big in the 4rth with a chance to go up 3-0 and can't close I have no sympathy for you. Just like I have no sympathy for Sacramento having game 7 in your own house and not being able to close it out.

You play all year for those situations if you can't take care of business you don't deserve the chip.

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 07:26 PM
:horse::horse::horse::horse:

:horse::horse::horse::horse:

:horse::horse::horse::horse:

:violin::violin::violin::violin:

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

DoJoTheSlasher
03-15-2011, 07:28 PM
Most Miami fans can't relate either because they jumped on the bandwagon this summer.

kjoke
03-15-2011, 07:31 PM
I say none at all. Wade took over, down 13 with like 6 minutes left, mavs should have won and right there and then, but they didnt and thats that.

JNA17
03-15-2011, 07:32 PM
who cares. its the past

now tell that to Kings and any NBA fan in general about 2002 :laugh:

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 07:36 PM
Most Miami fans can't relate either because they jumped on the bandwagon this summer.

Been a heat fan since Wade was like 7-8 and i can still sit here and tell you you're still crying 5 years after the fact. Wade was agressive and attacked the basket over and over again. It's funny that only people in these NBA forums cry foul yet every analyst that watched said it was one of those most amazing finals performances ever including Air Jordan himself. This poll is nothing more than a way to hate on the heat knowing we're on a 3 game winning streak which includes the lakers and spurs. it's gets really old. Sorry if you think y ou were robbed but you need to realize your team flat out choked. Thats the real deal.

Baller1
03-15-2011, 07:37 PM
Not as bad as the Seahawks got ****ed over in SBXL.

Big Zo
03-15-2011, 07:40 PM
We went up 2-0 and after choking game 3 (yes we did), Stern decided he wanted Wade to be his new pet project so the refs screwed us then. 98 free throws in the series for Wade? As many free throws as our entire team in game 5 or 6 (25)? Yeah that's ******** and Heat fans know it, there is just ZERO chance they admit it. I'm over it but it was ********.

Sorry. Losing 4 straight is just inexcusable...

THE GIPPER
03-15-2011, 07:45 PM
I picked 9, as the Kings-Lakers series was the worst.

This

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 07:48 PM
We went up 2-0 and after choking game 3 (yes we did), Stern decided he wanted Wade to be his new pet project so the refs screwed us then. 98 free throws in the series for Wade? As many free throws as our entire team in game 5 or 6 (25)? Yeah that's ******** and Heat fans know it, there is just ZERO chance they admit it. I'm over it but it was ********.

and the NBA just magically decided to no longer want wade as their pet project? They werre baerly above .500 after that and then won 15 games. I guess you think the NBA has so much power they choose who wins then the following year they have no control. Who was their pet project the following years? the excuses fans who lose the ship make is unreal.

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 07:50 PM
Sorry. Losing 4 straight is just inexcusable...

winning 4 straight is awesome :D

Tony_Starks
03-15-2011, 07:54 PM
People still salty over Lakers-Kings aye? My my my......

championships
03-15-2011, 08:04 PM
6 Dallas was screwed by a ref who was betting against then.. 4 cause Dirk was being Dirk and choked.

Flash3
03-15-2011, 08:07 PM
they choked simple.. they also choked the following post season with 67 wins against the warriors.

More-Than-Most
03-15-2011, 08:10 PM
I say the mavs got the ****** end of the stick pretty badly... How many calls went against them in that series?

justinnum1
03-15-2011, 08:12 PM
huge choke job on the mavs.

GoneGuru
03-15-2011, 08:15 PM
if you watched the series, you know that it was a choke job, so how bad was it on a rate of 1-10

i rated it at an 11 on all time chokes.

understandable why mavs say it was fixed, id never believe my team could CHOKE like that either.

discuss

hugepatsfan
03-15-2011, 08:17 PM
lmao

DoJoTheSlasher
03-15-2011, 08:18 PM
6 Dallas was screwed by a ref who was betting against then.. 4 cause Dirk was being Dirk and choked.

What the hell does Dirk being Dirk and choked mean? He had a few chking plays but so have Kobe, LeBron etc... I could show you Kobe's statline from game 7 last year and say Shaq was the prime reason Kobe has the rings. Even clutch statistics suggests that Kobe actually isn't that great in the clutch. I could use that but I won't because I know Kobe is clutch, as is Dirk.

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 08:20 PM
removing facepalm after seeing the difference in the thread titles. haha

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 08:21 PM
although i like the name of this thread better. much more accurate

Trueblue2
03-15-2011, 08:21 PM
They got choked out by the refs

godolphins
03-15-2011, 08:22 PM
Get over it already

GoneGuru
03-15-2011, 08:22 PM
although i like the name of this thread better. much more accurate

i thought so, lmao

Cano4prez
03-15-2011, 08:23 PM
11

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 08:23 PM
What the hell does Dirk being Dirk and choked mean? He had a few chking plays but so have Kobe, LeBron etc... I could show you Kobe's statline from game 7 last year and say Shaq was the prime reason Kobe has the rings. Even clutch statistics suggests that Kobe actually isn't that great in the clutch. I could use that but I won't because I know Kobe is clutch, as is Dirk.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1085/1239924483_5b8298f5e4.jpg

championships
03-15-2011, 08:26 PM
50/50 Half they got screwed, other half choked when they still had a chance after being screwed.

JARVIS123
03-15-2011, 08:27 PM
they didn't choke they just got beat .

COBY KARL
03-15-2011, 08:28 PM
that is the most ******** poll i've ever seen

godolphins
03-15-2011, 08:28 PM
:laugh2:

D Roses Bulls
03-15-2011, 08:28 PM
some heat fans sure know how to stay classy

hotpotato1092
03-15-2011, 08:28 PM
I love how the main Heat arguments are just:

1. Shut up, you're wrong

2. It was the past, nobody cares

3. Mavs just choked.

One side of this argument is actually presenting arguments with statistics to back it up, the other is just steadfastly saying they're right without evidence. Isn't the point of a sports forum good debate? How can we have debates when one side is presenting arguments and data and the other isn't? Heat fans and Wade supporters in general: you wanna convince us we're wrong: break out some reasonable arguments and statistics.

mrs rose
03-15-2011, 08:30 PM
11 lol love this thread

Carey
03-15-2011, 08:30 PM
lmao

D Roses Bulls
03-15-2011, 08:32 PM
11 lol love this thread

I cant believe someone with a sanaa lathen sig who is the love of my life is a miami fan :sigh:

GoneGuru
03-15-2011, 08:32 PM
11 lol love this thread

glad u do madam :)

Rivera
03-15-2011, 08:33 PM
lmao keep this thread open manram!!!

ragee
03-15-2011, 08:35 PM
6 Dallas was screwed by a ref who was betting against then.. 4 cause Dirk was being Dirk and choked.

Dirk was being Dirk and choked? Really? Other than that series, when did Dirk ever choked? He was basically triple teamed by the Warriors the year after that so you can't call that a choke... After that, he has been carrying the team all by himself... Everyone around him chokes... That is why they have performed poorly these last couple of years but no him...

Albrecht Duerer
03-15-2011, 08:37 PM
if you watched the series, you know that it was a choke job, so how bad was it on a rate of 1-10

i rated it at an 11 on all time chokes.

understandable why mavs say it was fixed, id never believe my team could CHOKE like that either.

discuss

Whether or not Dallas choked doesn't exonerate anyone from some of the shady calls. Thats like one team shooting 35 free throws and the other shooting 1, and the team with 35 claims the disparity is justified because the team that shot one missed its one and only FT attempt. Its really two seperate issues. Bad calls generate positive and negative momentum. It affects how teams play and raises the level of frustration for the team that is negatively affected by it.

GoneGuru
03-15-2011, 08:41 PM
Whether or not Dallas choked doesn't exonerate anyone from some of the shady calls. Thats like one team shooting 35 free throws and the other shooting 1, and the team with 35 claims the disparity is justified because the team that shot one missed its one and only FT attempt. Its really two seperate issues. Bad calls generate positive and negative momentum. It affects how teams play and raises the level of frustration for the team that is negatively affected by it.

so the missed free throw, not showing up at all for game 4, calling a bad timeout at the end of game 5 and losing a 13 point lead in games 3 and 6 make no never mind to you?

also look at the mavs, they have choked in 07, 08 and 10 in the playoffs in series they shouldnt have lost.

face it, youre in denial and i cant blame you because no one would ever believe a choke that great. but truth is often stranger than ficition.

Geargo Wallace
03-15-2011, 08:42 PM
kudoz

Geargo Wallace
03-15-2011, 08:43 PM
wow the mavs choked so bad. dirk sucks. hes a crappy leader. eric dampier is a girl. shaq is the goat.

LeBron > Kobe

WeeeoooOOoOoOOoOw

Time2Dieeee
03-15-2011, 08:45 PM
dallas didnt get screwed..Miami won it
if u guys wanna talk about getting screwed its the 2000 Kings

REGular
03-15-2011, 08:48 PM
Heat fan who believes the refs took the series from the Mavs.

Even if the Mavs messed up some plays after the fact, if it came down to it the refs would've given it back to the Heat.

gatkins11
03-15-2011, 08:49 PM
dallas didnt get screwed..Miami won it
if u guys wanna talk about getting screwed its the 2000 Kings

I think you mean the 2002 Kings.

shizzle09
03-15-2011, 08:51 PM
some heat fans sure know how to stay classy

sorry, i normally keep it classy but not on this subject. too much crying about the refs going on today

Time2Dieeee
03-15-2011, 08:52 PM
I think you mean the 2002 Kings.

yes lol thank you

gatkins11
03-15-2011, 08:53 PM
yes lol thank you

Haha no problem. That series was shady.

championships
03-15-2011, 08:54 PM
dallas didnt get screwed..Miami won it
if u guys wanna talk about getting screwed its the 2000 Kings

I bet you have no idea what your are talking about. You must have only said this cause it's the popular thing to say around here. Let me guess you were about 5 in 2000 and 7 in 2002 when the game, that you tried to point out, actually happened.

mrblisterdundee
03-15-2011, 08:55 PM
Of course a Dallas Mavericks fan would post this. You're full of it if you think the Mavericks got screwed by the referees. They were screwed because Dirk is a psychologically weak big man who can't take a team to the promised land. The Kings were screwed by the referees when playing the Lakers. Let's talk about that, you whiny Texan.

D Roses Bulls
03-15-2011, 08:55 PM
sorry, i normally keep it classy but not on this subject. too much crying about the refs going on today

oh no you stayed classy in this thread. i cant even believe this thread is still open. its just mocking the other thread and thats all its doing. your good man

Albrecht Duerer
03-15-2011, 08:58 PM
so the missed free throw, not showing up at all for game 4, calling a bad timeout at the end of game 5 and losing a 13 point lead in games 3 and 6 make no never mind to you?

also look at the mavs, they have choked in 07, 08 and 10 in the playoffs in series they shouldnt have lost.

face it, youre in denial and i cant blame you because no one would ever believe a choke that great. but truth is often stranger than ficition.

I said what I said. It was plainly stated. Deal with it.

BTW, unlike you, I don't really have a dog in this fight.

GoneGuru
03-15-2011, 08:59 PM
oh no you stayed classy in this thread. i cant even believe this thread is still open. its just mocking the other thread and thats all its doing. your good man

youre suppose to sip the haterade not drink all of it, youre cool tho

no clue as to why a bulls fan cares about the mavs and heat, but its cool

heatis envy? shouldnt you guys swept the regular season series, and the season isnt over yet, you guys have a great team.

youre confusing.

championships
03-15-2011, 09:01 PM
Mavericks had 164 fouls called on them and shooting 122-155 .79%. Note only Diop fouled out in game 5. A lot of people had 5 throughout the series. The Heat had 146 fouls called against them and shooting 125-207 at the foul line .60%. The Heat shot 52 more free throws and 18 more fouls called on the Mavericks. Stats were throughout the whole series.

ldawg
03-15-2011, 09:05 PM
The calls were one sided Dirk got the scares to prove it. Wade was untouchable. I do expect Miami to get favored calls again, they now have two players you can not lay your hands on.

Shareeb_omac2
03-15-2011, 09:09 PM
The last 5 minutes of game 3 was the deciding factor of that entire series. The refs did a terrible job, calling nothing but fouls against the Mavs. Had that game been called fairly the Mavs would of had a 3-0 series lead and it would have played out completely different. Heat fans will always be stubborn on this topic so there is no point in discussing it.

You can be up Wade's butt all you want but just remember he hasn't done ANYTHING since Shaq. They are still mediocre with the "all-star" cast they have now.

GoneGuru
03-15-2011, 09:12 PM
The last 5 minutes of game 3 was the deciding factor of that entire series. The refs did a terrible job, calling nothing but fouls against the Mavs. Had that game been called fairly the Mavs would of had a 3-0 series lead and it would have played out completely different. Heat fans will always be stubborn on this topic so there is no point in discussing it.

You can be up Wade's butt all you want but just remember he hasn't done ANYTHING since Shaq. They are still mediocre with the "all-star" cast they have now.

yea keep telling yourself that, the heat rebuilt the last few years, and last i checked it took kobe 5 years after shaq left to win his titles without him, id say were on pace to do that as fast or sooner.

also the season isnt over yet, talk smack when you have some real facts to go on.

Sync
03-15-2011, 09:12 PM
-1000

HuRRiCaNeS324
03-15-2011, 09:14 PM
Lol at the poll, no matter what the refs screwed the Mavs...

If some of you are gonna cry about something like this 5 years later than you need to find a new hobby.

DwayneMVPwade
03-15-2011, 09:15 PM
10, it was their's to win

SteBO
03-15-2011, 09:15 PM
yea keep telling yourself that, the heat rebuilt the last few years, and last i checked it took kobe 5 years after shaq left to win his titles without him, id say were on pace to do that as fast or sooner.

also the season isnt over yet, talk smack when you have some real facts to go on.
It wasn't worth reponding to. Comments like those you should just ignore. ;)
While MIA did get a lot of calls, give the Heat credit for attacking the basket and being aggressive. Sorry, the Mavs only have themselves to blame for losing the series.

Young2Kinsler
03-15-2011, 09:19 PM
I thought this was against PSD rules to make senseless threads that mock another, but I guess not.

Albrecht Duerer
03-15-2011, 09:20 PM
It wasn't worth reponding to. Comments like those you should just ignore. ;)
While MIA did get a lot of calls, give the Heat credit for attacking the basket and being aggressive. Sorry, the Mavs only have themselves to blame for losing the series.

Thats no where close to true. The refs are still obligated to call the game evenhandedly. If they dont, complaining about them is fair game.

Young2Kinsler
03-15-2011, 09:21 PM
MFFL, please keep your crap in the Mavs forum. It's bad enough we have to read it.

Mod, why is this thread still open? Really?

Young2Kinsler
03-15-2011, 09:21 PM
MFFL, please keep your crap in the Mavs forum. It's bad enough we have to read it.

Mod, why is this thread still open? Really?

SteBO
03-15-2011, 09:24 PM
Thats no where close to true. The refs are still obligated to call the game evenhandedly. If they dont, complaining about them is fair game.
Blowing a 13 point lead with 5 min left in game 3, not even showing up in game 4, Dirk and Josh Howard missing FT's down the stretch in game 5 in addition to a dumb timeout call by Josh Howard, are not at the fault of the officials, sorry. The Mavs had their chances even after all those calls to win those games, but they choked. Continue to blame officiating, but the Mavs have no excuse for not going up 3-0 in the series. Give credit where credit is due and move on already.

HuRRiCaNeS324
03-15-2011, 09:24 PM
I love how the main Heat arguments are just:

1. Shut up, you're wrong

2. It was the past, nobody cares

3. Mavs just choked.

One side of this argument is actually presenting arguments with statistics to back it up, the other is just steadfastly saying they're right without evidence. Isn't the point of a sports forum good debate? How can we have debates when one side is presenting arguments and data and the other isn't? Heat fans and Wade supporters in general: you wanna convince us we're wrong: break out some reasonable arguments and statistics.

Shut up

Na but seriously, i would argue but i dont feel like it right now. All i know is that our aggressiveness paid off. The refs were also anticipating and assuming contact too much, but regardless, its not like every single foul was BS. There were no more than 15 questionable calls in the series, which first of all doesnt mean we made the FTs, and second of all it wouldnt decide the entire series.

ElMarroAfamado
03-15-2011, 09:26 PM
Heat fans are funny. Funny yet sad. I cant wait till they get eliminated from the playoffs. Its just a matter of a couple seasons for you guys to start hating Lebrick for "choking" as much as you claim the Mavs did.

And 3. Its hard to win a series when a player like Wade who cant shoot for **** just like Lebrick is given a million free throws a game.

Flash3
03-15-2011, 09:31 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1085/1239924483_5b8298f5e4.jpg

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/509718/DeMarcus-Cousins-choke.jpg

championships
03-15-2011, 09:32 PM
In game 3 the numbers are real close. That was probably a choke job
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260613014
Dallas shot 18-26 FTs Heat shot 20-34. So even though the Heat shot alot more, Dallas almost made just as many. Rebounds is was sticks out to me. Mia-49 incl. 16! oreb Dal-34 wth 7 oreb.

Now the 6th game
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260620006
Mia did shoot 37 FTA but only made 23 Mavs went 19-23.

Flash3
03-15-2011, 09:34 PM
I love how the main Heat arguments are just:

1. Shut up, you're wrong

2. It was the past, nobody cares

3. Mavs just choked.

One side of this argument is actually presenting arguments with statistics to back it up, the other is just steadfastly saying they're right without evidence. Isn't the point of a sports forum good debate? How can we have debates when one side is presenting arguments and data and the other isn't? Heat fans and Wade supporters in general: you wanna convince us we're wrong: break out some reasonable arguments and statistics.

firstly the mavs are known for choking ex: the following year vs warriors.. so they choked and you sir are wrong so stay quiet.

plus its all in the past lets move on

:D

el_primo_nano
03-15-2011, 09:37 PM
why are you bringing this up. This is why i dislike some mods. This isnt baiting?

hgtiger32
03-15-2011, 09:49 PM
this thread could get ugly

Albrecht Duerer
03-15-2011, 09:55 PM
Blowing a 13 point lead with 5 min left in game 3, not even showing up in game 4, Dirk and Josh Howard missing FT's down the stretch in game 5 in addition to a dumb timeout call by Josh Howard, are not at the fault of the officials, sorry. The Mavs had their chances even after all those calls to win those games, but they choked. Continue to blame officiating, but the Mavs have no excuse for not going up 3-0 in the series. Give credit where credit is due and move on already.

Once again, bad calls can create both positive and negative momentum.

If everyone is supposed to move on, then maybe Miami should take their banner down (or whatever acknowledgment is made).

championships
03-15-2011, 10:37 PM
Dirk was being Dirk and choked? Really? Other than that series, when did Dirk ever choked? He was basically triple teamed by the Warriors the year after that so you can't call that a choke... After that, he has been carrying the team all by himself... Everyone around him chokes... That is why they have performed poorly these last couple of years but no him...

It's what he does best. Choked in the biggest series of his life, and by saying "Other than that series" you sound you agree to an extent.

LA_Raiders
03-15-2011, 10:40 PM
They got royaly screwed... Another one of Stern moves...

ragee
03-15-2011, 11:17 PM
if you watched the series, you know that it was a choke job, so how bad was it on a rate of 1-10

i rated it at an 11 on all time chokes.

understandable why mavs say it was fixed, id never believe my team could CHOKE like that either.

discuss

if you watched the series, you know that it was a choke and a ref's job... As a Maverick fan, it is was disappointing to see Wade get calls and go to the free throw line, over and over again... At the same time, the Mavs could have done something to retaliate but didn't... Sure, I want Miami and Dallas to face each other again for us to get a shot at redemption but what the 2006 finals was over a long time ago and most Mavs fans got over it already... Now, you as a Heat fan bringing this up after all these years, just goes to show how defensive you are and maybe in the back of your mind, you do believe that refs have got something to do with your championship... :rolleyes:

SimplyTheBest
03-15-2011, 11:25 PM
The calls were one sided Dirk got the scares to prove it. Wade was untouchable. I do expect Miami to get favored calls again, they now have two players you can not lay your hands on.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?. If you've been watching Heat games lately you'd notice that Wade and Lebron don't get any of the calls they used to. In fact, it looks as if the referees are trying to make a point by not calling the calls for Wade or Lebron, even if it's noticeable. Remember that pump fake by Wade where he stops from midrange and then moves into the defender to draw contact that would always draw him a foul?. I've seen the refs disregard that like 4 times in the last few games as if they're emphasizing that it's not a foul. People only complain about the calls that go Miami's way but then completely disregard the plays that don't go Miami's way(see Miller foul on Deng).

SimplyTheBest
03-15-2011, 11:30 PM
if you watched the series, you know that it was a choke and a ref's job... As a Maverick fan, it is was disappointing to see Wade get calls and go to the free throw line, over and over again... At the same time, the Mavs could have done something to retaliate but didn't... Sure, I want Miami and Dallas to face each other again for us to get a shot at redemption but what the 2006 finals was over a long time ago and most Mavs fans got over it already... Now, you as a Heat fan bringing this up after all these years, just goes to show how defensive you are and maybe in the back of your mind, you do believe that refs have got something to do with your championship... :rolleyes:

I don't know if you've noticed but theres a thread very similar to this 1 talking about how the refs screwed up the series, hence why this thread ever came into existence. Without the other 1 this thread would not be up. In fact, until 4 days ago most Heat fans totally forgot about 2006 finals. But then everyone had to start the "Lakers game was rigged" which then led on to the "Mavericks series was rigged" complaints.

Young2Kinsler
03-15-2011, 11:44 PM
why are you bringing this up. This is why i dislike some mods. This isnt baiting?

Well no **** it is, and I have seen threads shut down before for copy-catting other threads.

I guess rules don't apply 100% of the time.

IversonIsKrazy
03-15-2011, 11:51 PM
ahaha, i hate the friggin heat, but this thread is greattt!!! ahahahaha!!!! Mavs displayed the biggest choke job of all-time!!! LOLL!!! this is too funny ahah

OnslaughtXX6
03-15-2011, 11:53 PM
Heat fans are funny. Funny yet sad. I cant wait till they get eliminated from the playoffs. Its just a matter of a couple seasons for you guys to start hating Lebrick for "choking" as much as you claim the Mavs did.

And 3. Its hard to win a series when a player like Wade who cant shoot for **** just like Lebrick is given a million free throws a game.

Dude, We get it. You hate the Heat. No need to mention it in every ****ing heat thread on the NBA forum. Jesus ****ing Christ.

ManRam
03-15-2011, 11:59 PM
We don't need three whole threads on one topic. I didn't notice it, and I certainly didn't notice all the baiting going on. If you want to talk about this topic, I think it can be done here (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=599281), in the thread that seems to be most civil. Again, this is a series that happened half a decade ago, it doesn't need three threads on the first page in the main forum.

So I merged the two threads, the one that was clearly made in response to the other, and with the intent to bait, and am closing them both.

Sorry...