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knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 01:16 AM
Before the Lakers played in Dallas on Saturday night, Jackson said he believes the outspoken owner’s criticism of referees might have cost the Mavericks the 2006 NBA finals against the Miami Heat.

“I think he’s toned it down a little bit the last few years. That Miami finals really was a tough one to swallow,” Jackson said. “I think (Dwyane) Wade averaged about 25 foul shots a game. You couldn’t even touch him. That was really tough to swallow and I think he understood there’s kind of a pecking order in this league and you keep your mouth shut at times.”

“I’ve already gotten fined for that. I’m not going to touch it again,” Cuban said when asked to respond to what Jackson had just said in another room down the hall. “My opinion hasn’t changed on that series, and it never will.”


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Asosxqour84zWrP185jEuMq8vLYF?slug=ap-jackson-cubanjabs

kjoke
03-13-2011, 01:17 AM
phil couldnt speak his mind in the last 5 years, he chooses now to say it?

GREATNESS ONE
03-13-2011, 01:18 AM
I have never seen more phantom calls in my entire life.

hyb152
03-13-2011, 01:19 AM
I have never seen more phantom calls in my entire life.

Did you watch your own lakers play against the kings in game 6 of 2002? I'm guessing you didn't since you said the miami dallas was the most phantom calls you've ever seen.

Hellcrooner
03-13-2011, 01:20 AM
any non heat fan will agree it was probably the second most disgusting higway robbery ever.

Being the first the Second Bulls-Jazz finals.
Offensive foul turned into Legaendary winning shot!!!!! Only in the Stern.B.A!!!!

iggypop123
03-13-2011, 01:20 AM
phil the troll is at it again. i love this guy

MalZee24
03-13-2011, 01:20 AM
I have never seen more phantom calls in my entire life.

ummm your a laker fan right? your icon says lakers. so did you watch your lakers play the kings in the 2002 conference finals?

MalZee24
03-13-2011, 01:22 AM
Did you watch your own lakers play against the kings in game 6 of 2002? I'm guessing you didn't since you said the miami dallas was the most phantom calls you've ever seen.

x2.

lol u beat me to it.

i dont get how a laker fan can say that was the most phantom calls he's ever seen. he must have jumped on the laker bandwagon AFTER they were given the 2002 championship and got the 3-peat* because if the miami-dallas series was the most phantom calls he's ever seen, he clearly didn't watch the kings play his lakers in 2002 wcf

Hustlenomics
03-13-2011, 01:22 AM
it's funny because his Laker team beat the Kings because of terrible officiating

Jonathan2323
03-13-2011, 01:24 AM
What is it with Phil and talking about the HEAT lately.

I don't agree with what he said. Wade was super agressive in that series taking everything to the rim.

GREATNESS ONE
03-13-2011, 01:24 AM
I haven't missed a game in 20years. I do agree that in that series as well was a lot of phantom calls.

lakers4sho
03-13-2011, 01:25 AM
x2.

lol u beat me to it.

i dont get how a laker fan can say that was the most phantom calls he's ever seen. he must have jumped on the laker bandwagon AFTER they were given the 2002 championship and got the 3-peat* because if the miami-dallas series was the most phantom calls he's ever seen, he clearly didn't watch the kings play his lakers in 2002 wcf

So that disallows him from pointing out the flaws in the system? :crazy:

In any case, this is just one of his mind games.

kjoke
03-13-2011, 01:25 AM
i will have to say that wade wasnt a jump shooter at that point in his career, his game only consisted of driving to the rim. Many of them were deserved, some werent, it was normal.

MalZee24
03-13-2011, 01:25 AM
it's funny because his Laker team beat the Kings because of terrible officiating

look at a couple of the posts above. :clap:

SteBO
03-13-2011, 01:26 AM
:bs: I'm sorry, but Cuban had this coming. He planned a parade in DAL after going up 2-0 in the Finals against us like a fool, then his own team choked and MIA proved to be the better team in the end. Blame officiating all you want, but it isn't the refs' fault that Dirk missed a critical FT in game 3, that DAL blew a 13-point lead with 5-6 minutes left in the game, that they missed critical FT's in game 5, etc..... I could go on. MIA was agressive, DAL wasn't. Therfore, MIA got more FT's than the mavs. It's the NBA folks, that's how it works.

Jonathan2323
03-13-2011, 01:27 AM
Phil feels that the Lakers and HEAT are on a collision course to the finals so he's trying to plant a seed. I can't think of another reason he would say this 5 years later.

godolphins
03-13-2011, 01:27 AM
Phil is complaining about officiating :laugh:

Remember 2002?

dhopisthename
03-13-2011, 01:27 AM
why is this being brought up now?

MalZee24
03-13-2011, 01:28 AM
So that disallows him from pointing out the flaws in the system? :crazy:

nah it doesn't and he's most likely right about that dallas miami series. the nba is rigged, no doubt. refs, stern, gambling, it's all in the works. Phil is right about the miami dallas series. I'm just saying it's ironic and kinda funny that out of all people, he would be the coach to say it since his laker team is usually on the favorable end and has a history of getting favorable calls, particularity in the playoffs. just saying it's ironic and pretty funny.

MalZee24
03-13-2011, 01:28 AM
why is this being brought up now?

because phil said it before tonight's game between la and dallas

godolphins
03-13-2011, 01:28 AM
Tim Reynolds:" Why is Phil Jackson complaining about Wade's FTs in the 2006 Finals? Did he lose to Heat then, too? Or planting seeds for this June?"

dhopisthename
03-13-2011, 01:30 AM
because phil said it before tonight's game between la and dallas

I know but why did he mention it all? it is like he is going out of his way to anger the heat

Hellcrooner
03-13-2011, 01:31 AM
Is there a lock Kings would have won the 7th game?

Did Lakers force Pedja to shoot an airball at the last second?

Deal with it kings were robbed nothing.

hyb152
03-13-2011, 01:31 AM
ummm your a laker fan right? your icon says lakers. so did you watch your lakers play the kings in the 2002 conference finals?


it's funny because his Laker team beat the Kings because of terrible officiating


Phil is complaining about officiating :laugh:

Remember 2002?


I rest my case laker fans. phil, the lakers, bryant, shaq, laker fans, and anyone else associated with the lakers should not be saying a single word about bad officiating. phil should know that once the playoffs come around, the officiating will favor the lakers because the playoffs is when it really counts.

lakers4sho
03-13-2011, 01:32 AM
nah it doesn't and he's most likely right about that dallas miami series. the nba is rigged, no doubt. refs, stern, gambling, it's all in the works. Phil is right about the miami dallas series. I'm just saying it's ironic and kinda funny that out of all people, he would be the coach to say it since his laker team is usually on the favorable end and has a history of getting favorable calls, particularity in the playoffs. just saying it's ironic and pretty funny.

Maybe he was asked that question during an interview. I can't imagine him, or anyone else for that matter, saying that kind of thing without being asked first.

shep33
03-13-2011, 01:33 AM
Phil likes to talk trash and get into peoples heads lol. That being said, lets be real... The Mavs choked in that series, a few minutes from being up 3-0 and they don't recover. Bad calls or not, that's 4 straight wins in the Finals, you have to overcome and adjust.

Jonathan2323
03-13-2011, 01:35 AM
His basket attacks were so deadly because the Mavs couldn't stop fouling him. Wade shot a whopping 97 free throws in the six games -- the most of any player since the merger -- including 25 in Game 5.



Overall, Wade's 33.8 PER is easily the best of any Finals performer since the merger. While it seems strange to have somebody besides Michael Jordan in the top spot, the truth is Jordan never dominated a Finals to this extent. At the time, many called Wade's performance Jordanesque. It turns out they might have been selling him short.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

SteBO
03-13-2011, 01:35 AM
lol at all the miami heat fans responding to this
Don't know if you were referring to me or not, but DAL should've won that series in all honesty. Did Wade get favorable calls, sure he did. But that's because he was agressive. Dirk, and the Mavs were not agressive, therefore they won't get as many. It should've also occured to them that they have to adjust to how games our officiated at certain times. By doing this, they could've put themselves in a better position, but no doubt that Wade got a lot of favorable calls. BTW, can you guys stop mentioning 2002 already? That isn't what this thread is about.

kjoke
03-13-2011, 01:35 AM
lol at all the miami heat fans responding to this

well it does deal with the heat :shrug:

GREATNESS ONE
03-13-2011, 01:35 AM
Maybe he was asked that question during an interview. I can't imagine him, or anyone else for that matter, saying that kind of thing without being asked first.

This popped in my head as well, a lot of things get taken out of context and the question was most likely asked.

godolphins
03-13-2011, 01:42 AM
lol at all the miami heat fans responding to this

Who did you expect to respond?
At least from your sig you know the Heat and Lakers will meet in the finals

valade16
03-13-2011, 01:43 AM
Is there a lock Kings would have won the 7th game?

Did Lakers force Pedja to shoot an airball at the last second?

Deal with it kings were robbed nothing.

There wasnt a lock kings wouldve won game 7 but it was a lock they werent gonna get a fair chance to try...

Kings were so good they took the lakers and refs 6 games.

whitemamba33
03-13-2011, 01:45 AM
lol you guys blow everything out of proportion.

All Phil was doing was illustrating the difference between Cuban now and Cuban in 2006....but because things went Phil's way 9 years ago, he's not supposed to say anything about it? lol.

He's not saying calls never went his way. He's not saying the Bulls/Lakers never benefited from phantom calls. All he's saying is that he feels the Heat got some calls in the 2006 finals, and Cuban has changed for the better since then. Phil doesn't need to have coached a decades worth of perfectly reffed games in order to make such a comment.

If the refs give him a call, it's not his fault.

210Don
03-13-2011, 01:45 AM
why are laker people always talking about officiating? they should be the last ones talking about phantom calls and refs lmao

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 01:48 AM
I hate it when people bring this up... So frustrating.

asandhu23
03-13-2011, 01:52 AM
NBA is rigged.

Jonathan2323
03-13-2011, 01:53 AM
This was the call at the end of the game in game 5 nobody thought it was a foul and then this pic came out. The Mavs were all crying about this foul.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1121/nba_g_wade_300.jpg

Public Enemy #1
03-13-2011, 01:55 AM
Lakers fans can't even talk about this. Been mentioned a lot already, but they totally screwed the Kings over in 2002.

whitemamba33
03-13-2011, 01:58 AM
Lakers fans can't even talk about this. Been mentioned a lot already, but they totally screwed the Kings over in 2002.

How did the Lakers screw over the Kings?

Maybe the refs screwed over the Kings..but that is COMPLETLY different. If a call goes the Lakers way, do you REALLY expect Kobe to go up to the refs and complain that it wasn't a foul? lol.

If you want to blame, at least blame the right people.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 01:58 AM
Who did you expect to respond?
At least from your sig you know the Heat and Lakers will meet in the finals

lol look at my sig again

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 01:58 AM
Phantom call 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lX_qMS9bRY

Phantom call 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuukM40T974&feature=related

Phantom call 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydhtOSlfW0&feature=related

Phantom call 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZKGlHfukc4&feature=related

Phantom call 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI1PPYOk&feature=related

Jonathan2323
03-13-2011, 02:01 AM
Phantom call 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lX_qMS9bRY

Phantom call 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuukM40T974&feature=related

Phantom call 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydhtOSlfW0&feature=related

Phantom call 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZKGlHfukc4&feature=related

Phantom call 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI1PPYOk&feature=related

Was Dirk choking a Phantom call?

I can watch any NBA game today and see 1-3 or more bad calls let alone a whole series.

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 02:04 AM
Is it really necessary to bait?

godolphins
03-13-2011, 02:05 AM
lol look at my sig again

Like Lebron said to Kobe(according to your sig): See you in the finals :D

Jonathan2323
03-13-2011, 02:06 AM
Is it really necessary to bait?

If you're talking to me, i'm only stating the truth thats not baiting.

You are showing calls throughout a game. I showed you a pic of one of the biggest calls of the series that to this day Mavs fans would say that was not a foul.

Geargo Wallace
03-13-2011, 02:14 AM
any non heat fan will agree it was probably the second most disgusting higway robbery ever.

Being the first the Second Bulls-Jazz finals.
Offensive foul turned into Legaendary winning shot!!!!! Only in the Stern.B.A!!!!

I'm not a fan of Stern but you can't blame that non-call on him.

zo#33
03-13-2011, 02:15 AM
Pretty sure you can make 5 videos of 5 phantom calls the mavs got :shrug:

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 02:18 AM
Pretty sure you can make 5 videos of 5 phantom calls the mavs got :shrug:

Go ahead and try, the amount of fouls Wade got called was beyond ridiculous.

I'm leaving this thread alone before I get angry. I'm already frustrated over the LA game tonight, don't need the 2006 finals on my mind. Good game LA..

:sigh:

Hellcrooner
03-13-2011, 02:24 AM
I'm not a fan of Stern but you can't blame that non-call on him.

It was not only THAT call it was the whole finals.

And many many times before during that dudes "reign".
Knicks got ****ed by refs many of the times both teams met.
Curiously enough the knicks got help form teh refs the time they met withouth that dude.
of course it was not in Sterns interest that a Pippen led bulls went there and won a ring without the golden boy/ nba coporate image for the lousy 90s.

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 02:32 AM
Based on all these public shots he keeps taking at the Heat his opinion means nothing. It's obvious he doesnt like the Heat so i would expect him to side with bitter Mark Cuban. Yep, the refs gave us the title and Wade's 36ppg over the 4 wins was all manufactured by the league. Cubans team crumbled and thast the bottom line. Cuban may never have a ship thanks to my boy D Wade. Makes me smile knowing we kept that d bag from winning a title.

C-Style
03-13-2011, 02:37 AM
25 Free Throws???? :speechless::speechless::speechless::speechless:

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 02:39 AM
In game 5, Dwyane Wade made 21-25 FT, and the Heat won by a point.

Funny how that doesn't show up on NBA.com's finals records, for most FT made huh?

http://www.nba.com/history/records/finals_game_freethrows.html

stawka
03-13-2011, 02:41 AM
Inb4the "ahhhhhh the Zen Master again. Getting Cuban overly- comfortable while getting into the Heat's head. Ahhhhhh the Zen Master up to his tricks again"

I was rooting for the Lakers back in the Shaq era, and they had the refs wearing purple/gold jersey's top, but Phil doesn't remember that I guess? Oh wait, the Zen Master probably said something to get into the refs heads during those Playoff series'

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 02:44 AM
In game 5, Dwyane Wade made 21-25 FT, and the Heat won by a point.

Funny how that doesn't show up on NBA.com's finals records, for most FT made huh?

http://www.nba.com/history/records/finals_game_freethrows.html

thats not updated website,

this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_records#NBA_Finals_records

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 02:45 AM
holy ****, shaq shot 39 free throws in a game!!

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 02:45 AM
Please go back and watch the game and tell me he wasnt fouled at least 10,11 times. Please with this conspiracy crap. I own the Dvd's and have watched them over and over after hearing this mess years back. it's so comical that people just look at the number of free throws without actually going back and looking at the tape. If you say you've seen the tape and still say he wasnt fouled you are blind.

C-Style
03-13-2011, 02:47 AM
In game 5, Dwyane Wade made 21-25 FT, and the Heat won by a point.

Funny how that doesn't show up on NBA.com's finals records, for most FT made huh?

http://www.nba.com/history/records/finals_game_freethrows.html

That **** makes me wanna throw up! I can only imagine how that (Mavs) team must have felt.

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 02:48 AM
thats not updated website,

this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_records#NBA_Finals_records

That's wikipedia. NBA.com will have no part of the 2006 NBA finals Wade's FTs.

stawka
03-13-2011, 02:48 AM
holy ****, shaq shot 39 free throws in a game!!

LMAO and probably made a whopping 5. I love the guy but **** he should have had those things at 70% minimum. Gets me angry every time I think about it

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 02:49 AM
Please go back and watch the game and tell me he wasnt fouled at least 10,11 times. Please with this conspiracy crap. I own the Dvd's and have watched them over and over after hearing this mess years back. it's so comical that people just look at the number of free throws without actually going back and looking at the tape. If you say you've seen the tape and still say he wasnt fouled you are blind.

Here's half.

Phantom call 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lX_qMS9bRY

Phantom call 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuukM...eature=related

Phantom call 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydht...eature=related

Phantom call 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZKGl...eature=related

Phantom call 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI...eature=related

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 02:53 AM
If you're talking to me, i'm only stating the truth thats not baiting.

You are showing calls throughout a game. I showed you a pic of one of the biggest calls of the series that to this day Mavs fans would say that was not a foul.

I can understand their pain but it should be directed at their team for not being able to stop Wade. They were all over him that series and complain about getting so many calls.

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 02:55 AM
Here's half.

Phantom call 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lX_qMS9bRY

Phantom call 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuukM...eature=related

Phantom call 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydht...eature=related

Phantom call 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZKGl...eature=related

Phantom call 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI...eature=related

Phantom call # 1 your player put his elbow on Wade's hip while he was on his way up. The rest dont work

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 02:56 AM
Lol, "my player" Jason Terry didn't touch Wade as you can see from the 2nd angle.

210Don
03-13-2011, 02:57 AM
lol @phantom calls please.... dirk gets a foul if he gets breathed on

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 03:00 AM
Here's half.

Phantom call 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lX_qMS9bRY

Phantom call 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuukM...eature=related

Phantom call 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydht...eature=related

Phantom call 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZKGl...eature=related

Phantom call 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI...eature=related

and to be honest it's better off we just drop this because i've already watched the game over and over and Wade was fouled over 10 times. Maybe there's a call or two that you could argue but there's a call or two in every game of the season. It's in the past and it cant be changed so no point in arguing over it.

210Don
03-13-2011, 03:00 AM
and another thing the mavs shouldnt even have been in that finals dirk got every call vs the spurs the refs loved dirk in that series we got screwed

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 03:06 AM
Great way to look at it. It happened in the past, don't worry about it. I guess murderers should start using that in their testimonies. "You see your honor, I actually murdered him in the past. Therefore you shouldn't worry about it."

Like I said, it's not like the those are 5 fouls that were close. They weren't fouls. No contact besides foul #5 in which Wade actually punched Dirk and got the foul. That's new. That's 10 free throw attempts with a maximum of 6 points assuming every missed shot Wade had at the line was in those 10 FTA. Mavs lost by 1 point.

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 03:06 AM
Lol, "my player" Jason Terry didn't touch Wade as you can see from the 2nd angle.

it was a touch foul and he did touch him however light it might have been. He shouldnt have aven reached his hand out. Agree to disagree but for anyone to say that Wade didnt absolutely dominate that series is just plain nonsense. So I guess anytime a player ever gets 20 ft's it must be a conspiracy. That means the league gives calls people like Kevin Martin since he goes to the line all the time. gotta skew them games for Kevin Martin. yep

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:06 AM
and another thing the mavs shouldnt even have been in that finals dirk got every call vs the spurs the refs loved dirk in that series we got screwed

sure, what about the 2008 WCF, "spurs got screwed too"

marlinsfan24
03-13-2011, 03:08 AM
I'm sorry I was just looking at the ring the Heat won in 2006, did a jealous Mavs fan say something?

210Don
03-13-2011, 03:10 AM
sure, what about the 2008 WCF, "spurs got screwed too"

so barry didnt get fouled according to you?

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 03:12 AM
Great way to look at it. It happened in the past, don't worry about it. I guess murderers should start using that in their testimonies. "You see your honor, I actually murdered him in the past. Therefore you shouldn't worry about it."

Like I said, that's 5 fouls that weren't close. They weren't fouls. That's 10 free throw attempts with a maximum of 6 points assuming every missed shot Wade had at the line was in those 10 FTA. Mavs lost by 1 point.

WTF? You compare murder and a game in the finals that we'll obviously never agree on? Are you high???? :facepalm:

Keep blaiming the officials. Wade took that title from you not the league and no matter what you, Cuban or Phil Jackson say that banner will always hang from the rafters.

John Walls Era
03-13-2011, 03:13 AM
Wins a win. Everyone can complain and talk about it, but the only thing it says in the history books is a W.

Lakerhead4ever
03-13-2011, 03:14 AM
lmao..u guys need to forget about the "what ifs" man all that is over. heat won mavs lost. its 2011!! the heat and mavs wont see eachother in the finals again anyways lol jk lol

Doogolas
03-13-2011, 03:14 AM
:bs: I'm sorry, but Cuban had this coming. He planned a parade in DAL after going up 2-0 in the Finals against us like a fool, then his own team choked and MIA proved to be the better team in the end. Blame officiating all you want, but it isn't the refs' fault that Dirk missed a critical FT in game 3, that DAL blew a 13-point lead with 5-6 minutes left in the game, that they missed critical FT's in game 5, etc..... I could go on. MIA was agressive, DAL wasn't. Therfore, MIA got more FT's than the mavs. It's the NBA folks, that's how it works.

In his defense, at least he didn't actually throw the parade before playing a game. ;)

(I'm just ****ing around guys, in case anyone would have otherwise felt like taking this seriously.)

MacFitz92
03-13-2011, 03:15 AM
Yea. Wins a win. Doesn't matter that referees have came out and admitted betting on games.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:19 AM
so barry didnt get fouled according to you?

just watched it, fisher bump him before the shot, so it was a foul, but not in the act of shooting

John Walls Era
03-13-2011, 03:19 AM
Yea. Wins a win. Doesn't matter that referees have came out and admitted betting on games.

And the games are still going and the people are still watching.

Doogolas
03-13-2011, 03:20 AM
Was Dirk choking a Phantom call?

I can watch any NBA game today and see 1-3 or more bad calls let alone a whole series.

Well, those calls were pretty damn pathetically awful. Wade was literally untouched in them. There wasn't even incidental contact.

Hell, on the last one Wade threw an elbow at dirk.

marlinsfan24
03-13-2011, 03:20 AM
The Mavs had no answer for Wade in 2006, so the best way to go for them is to blame the refs.

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 03:21 AM
Yea. Wins a win. Doesn't matter that referees have came out and admitted betting on games.

yep, so fans of every team can always blame the refs when they lose and say "hey, Donaghey admitted to betting on games so that must be why my team lost". I mean seriously, it pretty much exsists with every fan base including Heat fans. You always hear about the refs from the fans of the losing team. always. This is why i said we should drop it. Here we are arguing over a series that im sure makes you ooze of happiness. Do we really want to keep talking about this?

210Don
03-13-2011, 03:21 AM
just watched it, fisher bump him before the shot, so it was a foul, but not in the act of shooting

:laugh:

marlinsfan24
03-13-2011, 03:21 AM
Well, those calls were pretty damn pathetically awful. Wade was literally untouched in them. There wasn't even incidental contact.

Maybe 2 out of those 5 there wasn't a foul.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:26 AM
:laugh:

put it to 3:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRzhaUbgHVo

a clear foul BEFORE the shot

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:27 AM
plus even if they won, it would be 2-2, LA was the better team and still wouldve won the next 2

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 03:31 AM
put it to 3:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRzhaUbgHVo

a clear foul BEFORE the shot

that foul was before the shot. Barry waited for him to land into him then jumped so no shot.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:36 AM
that foul was before the shot. Barry waited for him to land into him then jumped so no shot.

yeah, 210don thinks the refs screwed the spurs, but tho LA won 4-1, 1 play here or there wouldnt have made a difference

210Don
03-13-2011, 03:36 AM
put it to 3:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRzhaUbgHVo

a clear foul BEFORE the shot
im laughing at the fact first you said it wasnt a foul then you said it was....... think before posting....

plus even if they won, it would be 2-2, LA was the better team and still wouldve won the next 2
he woulda gotten two shots at the line.....
we coulda tied the game, 2-2 can dramatically change a series 3-1 deflates you..... no one you can say you woulda won if its 2-2 and we shoulda seen what woulda happen but the nba wanted a lakers celtics finals so bad... what can you do

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:43 AM
im laughing at the fact first you said it wasnt a foul then you said it was....... think before posting....

he woulda gotten two shots at the line.....
we coulda tied the game, 2-2 can dramatically change a series 3-1 deflates you..... no one you can say you woulda won if its 2-2 and we shoulda seen what woulda happen but the nba wanted a lakers celtics finals so bad... what can you do

i never said that

so in your mind the spurs were the real champs of 08, and lakers won because of the refs, not because they were better :facepalm:

210Don
03-13-2011, 03:43 AM
yeah, 210don thinks the refs screwed the spurs, but tho LA won 4-1, 1 play here or there wouldnt have made a difference

again i say we got screwed because we got robbed a chance to tie the game at the free throw line...

if you disagree with that statement something is wrong with you.
who knows if we win, but dont take it away from us

Doogolas
03-13-2011, 03:43 AM
Maybe 2 out of those 5 there wasn't a foul.

:laugh:

ElMarroAfamado
03-13-2011, 03:44 AM
Personally, I dont agree with Phil. He just like everyone knows that players like Lebrick and Wade ...ALL THEY CAN DO AND ALL THEY DO alllll game is try to drive to the hoop...98% of the time they show their highlights on TV its dunks or layups because they do nothing else. He should understand this and know that when yeah whatever ill just stop.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:46 AM
again i say we got screwed because we got robbed a chance to tie the game at the free throw line...

if you disagree with that statement something is wrong with you.
who knows if we win, but dont take it away from us

if it was in OT, kobe woulda klosed you guys out anyways

210Don
03-13-2011, 03:48 AM
if it was in OT, kobe woulda klosed you guys out anyways

dude stfu now ur just being cocky u have no idea what happens in ot, ur speculating i state facts, it was 2-1 we blew you guys out in game 3 and game 4 we got robbed you won the series, but to say we didnt get robbed a CHANCE to tie the game and maybe change the outcome your wrong, is that what your saying?

HuRRiCaNeS324
03-13-2011, 03:49 AM
what a random comment...

cant wait till he retires and we dont have to dissect ever dumbass comment he makes. good riddance.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:51 AM
dude stfu now ur just being cocky u have no idea what happens in ot, ur speculating i state facts, it was 2-1 we blew you guys out in game 3 and game 4 we got robbed you won the series, but to say we didnt get robbed a CHANCE to tie the game and maybe change the outcome your wrong, is that what your saying?

what? game 4?
anyways, you guys were up by 20 in game 1, and chocked it up

210Don
03-13-2011, 03:54 AM
what? game 4?
anyways, you guys were up by 20 in game 1, and chocked it up

wow. somethings wrong with you. but whatever this dont matter because neither team won the chip that year were arguing for second place.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:55 AM
wow. somethings wrong with you. but whatever this dont matter because neither team won the chip that year were arguing for second place.

reread what you posted before, doesnt make sense lol

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 03:56 AM
oh never mind I miss read it

210Don
03-13-2011, 03:57 AM
Lmao!!!! Wow psd.

hyb152
03-13-2011, 03:58 AM
if it was in OT, kobe woulda klosed you guys out anyways

you're getting into the what-if's a little too much. If you're the spurs, your confidence is way higher going back to LA with the series tied at 2-2 rather than 3-1. All you have to do is win game 5 in LA and you'll have the opportunity to close the series out on your home court in game 6. If you go back to LA down 3-1, that's just so deflating if you're the spurs.

lakers may have been the better team that series, but i I were the spurs, I would much rather lose to the better team because they beat us fair and square in 6 games rather than lose the all-important game 4 because of the refs/Stern. It was a foul before the shot, but the spurs were in the bonus and Barry would have gotten 2 free throws. You can say "well what if Barry missed a free throw?" That's fine if he misses because then we all know the lakers beat the spurs that game fair and square. A foul was called, barry missed, spurs couldn't tie the game, lakers win, and everything was called fairly. But of course that will NEVER happen when the lakers are playing in a meaningful playoff game. Stern will make sure of it. Dick Bavetta refs most important laker playoff games.

210Don
03-13-2011, 04:00 AM
dude now you're getting into a LOT of what-if's. If you're the spurs, your confidence is way higher going back to LA with the series tied at 2-2 rather than 3-1. All you have to do is win one game in LA and you'll have the opportunity to close the series out on your home court in game 6. If you go back to LA down 3-1, that's just so deflating if you're the spurs.

lakers may have been the better team, but I would much rather lose to the better team because they beat us fair and square in 6 games rather than lose the all-important game 4 because of the refs/Stern. It was a foul before the shot, but the spurs were in the bonus and Barry would have gotten 2 free throws. You can say "well what if Barry missed a free throw?" That's fine if he misses because then we all know the lakers beat the spurs that game fair and square. A foul was called, barry missed, spurs couldn't tie, lakers win, and everything was called fairly. But of course that will NEVER happen when the lakers are playing in a meaningful playoff game. Stern will make sure of it. Dick Bavetta refs most important laker playoff games.

thats all im trying to say man. who knows about the series if we win or not. but the refs shouldnt decide that big a game if barry misses no arguments are ever made.

Avenged
03-13-2011, 04:02 AM
Kind of random of Phil to be saying this. He likes to talk a lot of trash, so I wouldn't look to deep into this. Probably just another of his mind games. That series was questionable but what games/series isn't? There will always be complaints by the ones on the losing end.

Bruno
03-13-2011, 06:30 AM
Did you watch your own lakers play against the kings in game 6 of 2002? I'm guessing you didn't since you said the miami dallas was the most phantom calls you've ever seen.

The Kings shot a lot more FT's in that series than the Lakers did, even though the Lakers had two players who were top five in FTAs during the 2001-2002 regular season (Shaq @ #1, Kobe @ #5) playing over 40 mpg for the series.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html

Anilyzer
03-13-2011, 06:41 AM
Did you watch your own lakers play against the kings in game 6 of 2002? I'm guessing you didn't since you said the miami dallas was the most phantom calls you've ever seen.

I remember seeing Vlade flop like crazy.

Shaq would turn in the lane, or take a step, or touch Vlade in any way and he'd go "ARRRGGGHHHH!!" and throw himself on the ground. And then whine and yell at the refs "AWWWWWW, C'MON!!" EVERY play, man. Every freakin' play. I started to get worried about our players getting injured, because there were always so many King's players flopping and sliding around on the ground.

And meanwhile there's hundreds of people ringing cowbells all during the game... and people right behind the Laker bench just going crazy with cowbells and yelling.

AND of course they were ready to pull the Hack-A-Shaq at a moments notice
in the closing minutes of any close game.

So, uh, yeah... I could really give a rat's *** about how many calls the Lakers or Sacramento got in that game. As I recall, the game BEFORE that one was a complete travesty, with Sacramento getting way more calls and free throws.

Refs surely need to get it together and referee even... but 2002 is hardly a feather in Sacramento's cap. *sheeesh* You lost. It was ten years ago. Get over it. We got 4 more titles since then.

Anilyzer
03-13-2011, 06:48 AM
ummm your a laker fan right? your icon says lakers. so did you watch your lakers play the kings in the 2002 conference finals?

I did.

Look... excessive flops *ugggghhh*

Teams like Sacramento, and especially Vlade, were basing their WHOLE GAME around the officiating.

First of all--Hack-a-Shaq'ing. What a bone headed idea, that never won ANY championships.

Next, constantly flopping and trying to play the refs, constantly trying to get an edge from the referees. Making COUNTLESS plays, not because they are good basketball plays or to score a hoop or make a stop, but to get the call from the ref.

Like Vlade flops on the ground and the Laker player makes the uncontested shot----then Vlade and the whole Sactown crowd looks at the referee... Did he get it? Did Vlade get the call? NO? Oh arrrrrgggggghhhhhhh oh my #@$#@@@#$@ are you kidding me?

Vlade totally got contacted and his feet were set and he didn't get the charge WTF!!!!

I mean let's get real. That **** was ridiculous.

Knickrocketsfan
03-13-2011, 07:38 AM
this is the flaw in arguments that a lot of people suffer including myself, people tend to bring up similar situations to defend themselves. But Phils comments were only on that series, we dnt know to my knowledge what he though of the la/sac series.

Also I do agree with a lot of people here, heat and lakers get a ton of calls.

DaBear
03-13-2011, 07:45 AM
Is there a lock Kings would have won the 7th game?

Did Lakers force Pedja to shoot an airball at the last second?

Deal with it kings were robbed nothing.

Is there a lock Utah would have won game 7 in the 98 Finals?

It goes both ways man. Just because you hate the Bulls doesn't make one right and the other wrong.

Wade>You
03-13-2011, 07:48 AM
Tim Donaghy never once commented on the 2006 NBA Finals.

Sure did comment a lot on Phil Jackson title teams, though.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3436401

http://deadspin.com/?_escaped_fragment_=5555622/watching-the-watchmen-tim-donaghy-breaks-down-the-officiating-in-game-1#!5555622/watching-the-watchmen-tim-donaghy-breaks-down-the-officiating-in-game-1

Fmaranesi
03-13-2011, 08:49 AM
It's simple basketball, if you drive the ball a ton then you're more likely to get foul calls then sitting there taking jump shots. Phil probably has forgotten the gift calls that the refs gave the Lakers when they faced the Kings in the playoffs. you want to talk about highway robbery then put in that tape and watch the game yourself. But of course Phil wont say anything about that because it benefited his team. Talk about hypocrite.

d00d
03-13-2011, 09:01 AM
they need to put an asterisk by that Finals win. after the revelations of rogue refs, it is obvious that they hated Cuban and took it out on him

SteBO
03-13-2011, 09:23 AM
they need to put an asterisk by that Finals win. after the revelations of rogue refs, it is obvious that they hated Cuban and took it out on him
:facepalm:

Hellcrooner
03-13-2011, 12:36 PM
Is there a lock Utah would have won game 7 in the 98 Finals?

It goes both ways man. Just because you hate the Bulls doesn't make one right and the other wrong.

I dont hate the bulls.

btw why is people surprised that nba have agendas for refs?

How many times a series that could end 4-1 ends in a 7th game because of refs homecooking to make it happen?

You dont have to look far.

This years finals stern and television wanted a 7 game thriller between Lakers and Celtics.

Lakers coudl ahve ended it all in bostoan 1-4 but refs allowed them bigs to kick and push and shove Lakers bigs and allen and pierce to hack kobe freely so they had to leave for l.a 3-2.
Then in the 6th game Lakers got every call to grant the 7th game.

Slimsim
03-13-2011, 12:57 PM
Why bring this up all of a sudden ?

Hawkeye15
03-13-2011, 01:03 PM
then they should take the trophy back, and give it to the Mavs with the following on it: "Cause Phil said so..."

Who cares? Why do we always eat up the controversial crap Phil says?

knicksfan42
03-13-2011, 01:16 PM
I agree with Jackson the refs won it for Miami, but he coaches the Lakers. I mean the 2002 WCF.

OnslaughtXX6
03-13-2011, 01:19 PM
Unbelievable how this guy can comment on this when he was the coach for the 1998 Bulls and the 2002 Lakers. I don't mind anyone else criticizing the officials that game and Cuban has the right to be upset, but for this clown to comment on this beyond laughable.

Purple&Gold24
03-13-2011, 01:27 PM
lol hawkeyes19 defender of all the kahners is laker hater haha. Dont deny it.

SteBO
03-13-2011, 01:29 PM
I agree with Jackson the refs won it for Miami, but he coaches the Lakers. I mean the 2002 WCF.
I guess you didn't watch the 2006 NBA Finals in its entirety. Otherwise, you wouldn't be pointing specifically to the free throws shot by Wade, while refusing to acknowledge that DAL shot themselves in the foot by blowing a 13 point lead in the 4th quarter of Game 3, after going up 2-0 in the series.

lakers4sho
03-13-2011, 01:41 PM
lol hawkeyes19 defender of all the kahners is laker hater haha. Dont deny it.

It's Hawkeye15 at least get the name right :laugh2:

Flash3
03-13-2011, 01:41 PM
any non heat fan will agree it was probably the second most disgusting higway robbery ever.

Being the first the Second Bulls-Jazz finals.
Offensive foul turned into Legaendary winning shot!!!!! Only in the Stern.B.A!!!!

kings-lakers

knicksfan42
03-13-2011, 01:42 PM
I guess you didn't watch the 2006 NBA Finals in its entirety. Otherwise, you wouldn't be pointing specifically to the free throws shot by Wade, while refusing to acknowledge that DAL shot themselves in the foot by blowing a 13 point lead in the 4th quarter of Game 3, after going up 2-0 in the series.

How many fts did D-wade shoot, 20? A little less a little more? Letting their lead slip is directly related to the officials blatantly rigging the game. It's hard to defend someone you know is going to get the call for you looking at him in an unfriendly way.

AddiX
03-13-2011, 01:44 PM
How about the calls wade got just to make it to the finals? They were insane.

SteBO
03-13-2011, 01:47 PM
How many fts did D-wade shoot, 20? A little less a little more? Letting their lead slip is directly related to the officials blatantly rigging the game. It's hard to defend someone you know is going to get the call for you looking at him in an unfriendly way.
That was the case, so what Dallas needed to do was adjust to how the game was officiated, and lay off Wade a bit, while forcing to shoot jumpers. Unfortunately, the Mavs were too worried about Shaq, so that just gave Wade more space to operate. But that's amoot point. DAL was up 13, they should've burried MIA and didn't. That lost them the series, not the refs. You're acting as if MIA didn't fight to win that series, and that's a silly notion.

JordansBulls
03-13-2011, 01:49 PM
any non heat fan will agree it was probably the second most disgusting higway robbery ever.

Being the first the Second Bulls-Jazz finals.
Offensive foul turned into Legaendary winning shot!!!!! Only in the Stern.B.A!!!!

Being the first the second Lakers vs Pistons 1988 Finals where Laimbeer got called for a BS foul when the Pistons were up 1 and up 3-2 in the series with 15 seconds left in game 6.

PurpleJesus
03-13-2011, 01:53 PM
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KeepMonta#8
03-13-2011, 01:57 PM
i dislike when someone says the refs and the nba are rigged becuase clearly it isnt , refs make bad calls all the time , its apart of the game , they cant get every call, lets see you try to ref an nba game ....

Testaverde16
03-13-2011, 02:03 PM
i'll never forget wade tripping over himself and dirk being called for a foul... the lakers/kings game was bad, but that entire series was just terrible. No real nba fan can believe that it was a fairly called series.

LAKERMANIA
03-13-2011, 02:13 PM
I like Dwayne Wade more than Dirk or the Mavs and I agree with Phil and Cuban's comments... 2006 was probably the worst the NBA had ever seen

AddiX
03-13-2011, 02:17 PM
i'll never forget wade tripping over himself and dirk being called for a foul... the lakers/kings game was bad, but that entire series was just terrible. No real nba fan can believe that it was a fairly called series.

It's almost like the forgotten championship, no one talked about or cared when it was over.

WVNowitzki
03-13-2011, 02:31 PM
i dislike when someone says the refs and the nba are rigged becuase clearly it isnt , refs make bad calls all the time , its apart of the game , they cant get every call, lets see you try to ref an nba game ....

Awww...it's really cute how naive you are. 2006 was a joke, point blank. Spin it any way you people want, the refs handed Miami that championship. They wanted Shaq to be the story, how he could win without Kobe. Wade was just the perfect scapegoat. It's ridiculous and irresponsible to think any other way.

RIPSweetness34
03-13-2011, 02:35 PM
What is it with Phil and talking about the HEAT lately.

I don't agree with what he said. Wade was super agressive in that series taking everything to the rim.

Of course you don't :pity:

SteBO
03-13-2011, 02:49 PM
Awww...it's really cute how naive you are. 2006 was a joke, point blank. Spin it any way you people want, the refs handed Miami that championship. They wanted Shaq to be the story, how he could win without Kobe. Wade was just the perfect scapegoat. It's ridiculous and irresponsible to think any other way.
SO it's the officials fault the mavs blew a 13 point lead in the fourth in game 3? What about the 2-0 lead you guys had in the series? Yeah, it's definitely all the refs fault. Didn't Dirk miss a crucial free throw in game 3, Josh Howard the same in game 5? Blaming officiating is the biggest cop out in sports. The Heat did what it had to do to win the series. DAL didn't. End of story. C'mon guys. It's not homerism, it's reality.

redsox0717
03-13-2011, 02:50 PM
I didn't even watch the entirety of that Finals. I shut it off in disgust even though I had no rooting interest because of the insane amount of horrible calls during that series.

justinnum1
03-13-2011, 02:50 PM
Awww...it's really cute how naive you are. 2006 was a joke, point blank. Spin it any way you people want, the refs handed Miami that championship. They wanted Shaq to be the story, how he could win without Kobe. Wade was just the perfect scapegoat. It's ridiculous and irresponsible to think any other way.

:facepalm:

knicksfan42
03-13-2011, 02:52 PM
That was the case, so what Dallas needed to do was adjust to how the game was officiated,

They shouldn't have to adjust to ****, refs shouldn't be rigging games.

madvillian9
03-13-2011, 02:53 PM
:facepalm:

How many of your posts consists of a ":facepalm:"

NYKSpiritBomb
03-13-2011, 02:53 PM
everyone hates the heat i don't get it...

SteBO
03-13-2011, 02:55 PM
They shouldn't have to adjust to ****, refs shouldn't be rigging games.
Sorry buddy, that's the NBA for you. If you don't like it, then don't watch it because it's not going to stop. It's reality man.

marlinsfan24
03-13-2011, 03:38 PM
Heat won the finals and that's the end of the story. If you have a problem with the refs, go watch golf, they don't have any.

SteBO
03-13-2011, 03:39 PM
Heat won the finals and that's the end of the story. If you have a problem with the refs, go watch golf, they don't have any.
:laugh:

Lu's Dynasty
03-13-2011, 03:53 PM
I haven't missed a game in 20years. I do agree that in that series as well was a lot of phantom calls.

First, I respect the hell out of the Lakers as a franchise so know that I am not baiting, but I will never forget the blocking foul on Christie when Kobe elbowed him in the face. Right after he got hit in the face the whistle blew and it was a blocking foul. But that Miami/Dallas Finals was a travesty. It is the worst officiating job I've ever seen in a playoff series period. Wade still gets more phantom calls than anyone else in the league.

topdog
03-13-2011, 04:04 PM
Mind games... Jackson is like the evil bad guy of the league - trying to remind the referees of Cuban's criticism.

valade16
03-13-2011, 04:14 PM
Sorry buddy, that's the NBA for you. If you don't like it, then don't watch it because it's not going to stop. It's reality man.

Wonder if you'd have same opinion if you were a Mavs fan? It's always the people who get the benefits telling the others to "man up", wonder why that is?

shizzle09
03-13-2011, 04:15 PM
You guys really need to stop crying about what happened in 2006. The heat won it plain and simple. The banner hangs in the rafters. It's so funny that when this years heat isnt on a losing streak the fans revert to threads like these to hate on past heat teams. Fouls are fouls. All year long i've seen people claiming that Wade and LEbron gets soooooo many calls. Here's the top 10 in FT attempts per game.


Howard
Durant
Lebron
Blake
Wade
K. Martin
Melo
Westbrook
Amare
Eric Gordon

Out of that top 10 who do people complain about? Wade and Lebron. Yep, accodring to PSD posters the league gives calls to those two but everyone else on this list earns the trips to the line. Wade, Martin and westbrook all avg 8 ft's per game yet Wade doesnt earn them they are given to him. Hate the heat for how Lebron acts or how he came to the team but to sit here and whine about fouls just shows the basketball IQ of alot of posters here.

SteBO
03-13-2011, 04:18 PM
Wonder if you'd have same opinion if you were a Mavs fan? It's always the people who get the benefits telling the others to "man up", wonder why that is?
I would have the same opinion. Because I know that an agressive player like Wade is going to get the brunt of the calls because of the way he plays. Also, factor in the fact that DAL should've went up 3-0 after game 3. If I were Mavs fans, I would've been pissed at my own team for completely blowing it in that situation. It's a position the Mavs shouldn't have been in. Give the Heat the credit they deserve and move on. There's no going back now.

Hawkeye15
03-13-2011, 04:19 PM
I also vividly remember watching the Mavs completely fall apart, and their owner and players just started screaming at the refs. Refs are not robots. If you have an owner, and his players, in your face, screaming at you left and right, its not going to cause you to give them calls. That may not be the right thing, but humans are humans.

I remember thinking, "Cuban, stfu and get in the owner's box. YOU are causing some of this". I have to be honest, at the time, i thought to myself "if I were a ref, I would be sending Wade to the line 25 times a night with Cuban and co. doing that"

hyb152
03-13-2011, 04:19 PM
I like Dwayne Wade more than Dirk or the Mavs and I agree with Phil and Cuban's comments... 2006 was probably the worst the NBA had ever seen

Stop. Just stop it. Your username is Lakermania, u have a laker icon, and lakers in your sig. So you're obviously a laker fan right? Well then I'm assuming you saw game 6 in 2002 between the kings and lakers because any real laker fan wouldn't have missed that game if they weren't busy. I'm banking on you probably watched that game. If you watched that game, you can't say Mavs-Heat was "probably the worst the NBA had ever seen" because the kings-lakers series was WORSE. You just don't want to admit that because you're a laker fan.

marlinsfan24
03-13-2011, 04:21 PM
I also vividly remember watching the Mavs completely fall apart, and their owner and players just started screaming at the refs. Refs are not robots. If you have an owner, and his players, in your face, screaming at you left and right, its not going to cause you to give them calls. That may not be the right thing, but humans are humans.

I remember thinking, "Cuban, stfu and get in the owner's box. YOU are causing some of this". I have to be honest, at the time, i thought to myself "if I were a ref, I would be sending Wade to the line 25 times a night with Cuban and co. doing that"

:clap:

valade16
03-13-2011, 04:26 PM
I would have the same opinion. Because I know that an agressive player like Wade is going to get the brunt of the calls because of the way he plays. Also, factor in the fact that DAL should've went up 3-0 after game 3. If I were Mavs fans, I would've been pissed at my own team for completely blowing it in that situation. It's a position the Mavs shouldn't have been in. Give the Heat the credit they deserve and move on. There's no going back now.

I'm not a mavs fan so I don't care either way, Wade played the best in the playoffs I've ever seen but c'mon man admit the refs had a little to do with that...

I'm a Blazer fan FYI, no one fan base knows the excrutiating meaning of "no going back now" more than us :)

marlinsfan24
03-13-2011, 04:28 PM
I'm not a mavs fan so I don't care either way, Wade played the best in the playoffs I've ever seen but c'mon man admit the refs had a little to do with that...

I'm a Blazer fan FYI, no one fan base knows the excrutiating meaning of "no going back now" more than us :)

I can 100% agree with that. But the refs IMO help the winning team a little every year. So it's apart of the NBA and **** will happen. No reason to ***** and moan about it 5 years later. Won't make the NBA feel bad for you and hand the trophy to you now, will it?

SteBO
03-13-2011, 04:28 PM
I'm not a mavs fan so I don't care either way, Wade played the best in the playoffs I've ever seen but c'mon man admit the refs had a little to do with that...

I'm a Blazer fan FYI, no one fan base knows the excrutiating meaning of "no going back now" more than us :)
The refs definitely played a role. I was stunned Wade shot that many FT's in Game 5 as well. But you gotta give Wade credit for attacking and taking advantage, is all I'm saying.

hyb152
03-13-2011, 04:32 PM
I did.

Look... excessive flops *ugggghhh*

Teams like Sacramento, and especially Vlade, were basing their WHOLE GAME around the officiating.

First of all--Hack-a-Shaq'ing. What a bone headed idea, that never won ANY championships.

Next, constantly flopping and trying to play the refs, constantly trying to get an edge from the referees. Making COUNTLESS plays, not because they are good basketball plays or to score a hoop or make a stop, but to get the call from the ref.

Like Vlade flops on the ground and the Laker player makes the uncontested shot----then Vlade and the whole Sactown crowd looks at the referee... Did he get it? Did Vlade get the call? NO? Oh arrrrrgggggghhhhhhh oh my #@$#@@@#$@ are you kidding me?

Vlade totally got contacted and his feet were set and he didn't get the charge WTF!!!!

I mean let's get real. That **** was ridiculous.

You're basing it off just one player and one type of foul. Forget Vlade and flopping for a minute.

Kings are down 1 with 12 seconds, Bibby gets elbowed right in the face by Kobe, basically gets his nose broken, and kobe gets 2 free throws. Presidential candidate Ralph Nadar even wrote a letter to Stern specifically citing that play while criticizing the rest of the officiating at the same time.

Scott Pollard fouled out the beginning of the 4th quarter on a play where he put his arms straight up. The announcers saw the replay and Bill Walton said, "That's not a foul I'm sorry." Marv Albert then says , "Yup."

Webber had 5 fouls and when he picked up his 5th, Walton said, "This is a terrible call. Look at the replay, Webber has this all the way, his feet were outside of Robert Horry's."

Fisher hacked bibby, the ball went to kobe and he got a layup plus the foul when nobody touched him. The announcer Steve Snapper Jones specifically said, "That was clearly a foul on fisher that did not get called and on the other end, how can you make this call right here, as kobe squeezes in between?" Bill Walton follows up by saying, "and where was that foul opposed to the rake across bibby's arm?"

I could go on and on and on. Divac and Pollard foul out, Webber has 5, the kings have no big guys left to put in so they have to put in a scrub named Funderburk. Right when he comes in the game, he gets called for two touch fouls.

Even when Divac didn't flop, he still was targeted. He picked up an early foul and on the replay, Bill Walton said, "Hard to see how this is a foul on Vlade who just stands behind the mountain moving in." (shaq)

Forget Vlade and focus on all the other calls. That was clearly the worst officiated game in NBA history and fans from all around the world, even laker fans, agreed. Even national sports writers like Mike Wilbon and Bill Plaschke. Headlines filled national newspapers the next morning talking about the officiating. I'm not trying to bring up a dead argument 10 years later, I'm just saying that you're basing this all off of Vlade and flopping. In game 6, 2002, he didn't get called for any chargers or blocks and all 6 of his fouls were nothing close to flopping. It was impossible to flop because all 6 fouls were little touch fouls. Out of his 6 fouls, 2-3 of them were actually fouls.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 04:36 PM
You're basing it off just one player and one type of foul. Forget Vlade and flopping for a minute.

Kings are down 1 with 12 seconds, Bibby gets elbowed right in the face by Kobe, basically gets his nose broken, and kobe gets 2 free throws. Presidential candidate Ralph Nadar even wrote a letter to Stern specifically citing that play while criticizing the rest of the officiating at the same time.

Scott Pollard fouled out the beginning of the 4th quarter on a play where he put his arms straight up. The announcers saw the replay and Bill Walton said, "That's not a foul I'm sorry." Marv Albert then says , "Yup."

Webber had 5 fouls and when he picked up his 5th, Walton said, "This is a terrible call. Look at the replay, Webber has this all the way, his feet were outside of Robert Horry's."

Fisher hacked bibby, the ball went to kobe and he got a layup plus the foul when nobody touched him. The announcer Steve Snapper Jones specifically said, "That was clearly a foul on fisher that did not get called and on the other end, how can you make this call right here, as kobe squeezes in between?" Bill Walton follows up by saying, "and where was that foul opposed to the rake across bibby's arm?"

I could go on and on and on. Divac and Pollard foul out, Webber has 5, the kings have no big guys left to put in so they have to put in a scrub named Funderburk. Right when he comes in the game, he gets called for two touch fouls.

Even when Divac didn't flop, he still was targeted. He picked up an early foul and on the replay, Bill Walton said, "Hard to see how this is a foul on Vlade who just stands behind the mountain moving in." (shaq)

Forget Vlade and focus on all the other calls. That was clearly the worst officiated game in NBA history and fans from all around the world, even laker fans, agreed. Even national sports writers like Mike Wilbon and Bill Plaschke. Headlines filled national newspapers the next morning talking about the officiating. I'm not trying to bring up a dead argument 10 years later, I'm just saying that you're basing this all off of Vlade and flopping. In game 6, 2002, he didn't get called for any chargers or blocks and all 6 of his fouls were nothing close to flopping. It was impossible to flop because all 6 fouls were little touch fouls. Out of his 6 fouls, 2-3 of them were actually fouls.

the kings had game 7 at home, but lost, they had a chance a game 7 at their own building, but peja airballed a 3, ect, they lost fair and square on that one

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 04:39 PM
as a laker fan I admit game 6 of 02 wcf was bad officaiating,
can heat fans admit that the 06 finals was bad too, not even MJ got that many free throws

hyb152
03-13-2011, 04:43 PM
as a laker fan I admit game 6 of 02 wcf was bad officaiating,
can heat fans admit that the 06 finals was bad too, not even MJ got that many free throws

yeah you're right, the kings lost game 7.... but there never should have been a game 7 in the first place. that's good you admit that game 6 was bad officiating. you're one of the surprisingly many laker fans that admit that. a ton of laker fans have admitted it over the years. that's how obvious the officiating was. you're right, kings lost game 7, but there never should have been a game 7. the kings lost game 6 by 4 points and the lakers made 21 of 27 free throws in the 4th quarter. everyone knew who the better team was that series, the kings. i'm sure kings fans still haven't gotten over it because the refs basically stole the 2002 championship from them. the kings probably would have swept the overwhelmed nets in the finals. But yeah, game 6 was rigged so the lakers could win, just like how the heat got the favorable calls in 2006. I think that if the kings were down 3-2 in game 6, the calls might have gone their way to make the lakers lose so there'd be a game 7. The league wanted 7 games. that was the nba championship right there. it was an epic series and they knew a game 7 would bring in all kinds of money and viewers. It's not a case of the league liking miami or not liking the kings/mavs as much. it's a case where there's a LOT going on behind the scenes bewteen Stern, the refs, and whatever is going on back there. We can ALL agree the nba has no credibility.

buch88
03-13-2011, 04:49 PM
I did.

Look... excessive flops *ugggghhh*

Teams like Sacramento, and especially Vlade, were basing their WHOLE GAME around the officiating.

First of all--Hack-a-Shaq'ing. What a bone headed idea, that never won ANY championships.

Next, constantly flopping and trying to play the refs, constantly trying to get an edge from the referees. Making COUNTLESS plays, not because they are good basketball plays or to score a hoop or make a stop, but to get the call from the ref.

Like Vlade flops on the ground and the Laker player makes the uncontested shot----then Vlade and the whole Sactown crowd looks at the referee... Did he get it? Did Vlade get the call? NO? Oh arrrrrgggggghhhhhhh oh my #@$#@@@#$@ are you kidding me?

Vlade totally got contacted and his feet were set and he didn't get the charge WTF!!!!

I mean let's get real. That **** was ridiculous.

okay all u basically talked about was vlade. i watched that game from my house in LA when i used to live there. from what i recall from that game, there wasnt much vlade flopping going on, but there were a bunch of terrible calls on not just vlade, but other kings. vlade didnt even flop once in that game. u cant just talk about vlade flopping. how do u explain all the other "fouls" and clean blocks? national announcers were calling this game. marv albert, steve jones, and bill walton. all 3 of them picked up on the one-sided officiating and so did the media.


around the horn and pardon the interruption weighed in on it. watch the video below. not one of them talked about a vlade flop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM20eYjvwUM

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 04:52 PM
yeah you're right, the kings lost game 7.... but there never should have been a game 7 in the first place. that's good you admit that game 6 was bad officiating. you're one of the surprisingly many laker fans that admit that. a ton of laker fans have admitted it over the years. that's how obvious the officiating was. you're right, kings lost game 7, but there never should have been a game 7. the kings lost game 6 by 4 points and the lakers made 21 of 27 free throws in the 4th quarter. everyone knew who the better team was that series, the kings. i'm sure kings fans still haven't gotten over it because the refs basically stole the 2002 championship from them. the kings probably would have swept the overwhelmed nets in the finals. But yeah, game 6 was rigged so the lakers could win, just like how the heat got the favorable calls in 2006. I think that if the kings were down 3-2 in game 6, the calls might have gone their way to make the lakers lose so there'd be a game 7. The league wanted 7 games. that was the nba championship right there. it was an epic series and they knew a game 7 would bring in all kinds of money and viewers. It's not a case of the league liking miami or not liking the kings/mavs as much. it's a case where there's a LOT going on behind the scenes bewteen Stern, the refs, and whatever is going on back there. We can ALL agree the nba has no credibility.

i get what you mean, but kings did have home court at game 7, they had plenty of chances to win
and the mavs had home court and were up 2-0 and chocked, no excuse for that

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 04:55 PM
that "kobe elbow to bibby" foul, bibby had an arm around bryant, so it was a foul on bibby, he was impeting progress

knicksfan42
03-13-2011, 05:02 PM
You're basing it off just one player and one type of foul. Forget Vlade and flopping for a minute.

Kings are down 1 with 12 seconds, Bibby gets elbowed right in the face by Kobe, basically gets his nose broken, and kobe gets 2 free throws. Presidential candidate Ralph Nadar even wrote a letter to Stern specifically citing that play while criticizing the rest of the officiating at the same time.

Scott Pollard fouled out the beginning of the 4th quarter on a play where he put his arms straight up. The announcers saw the replay and Bill Walton said, "That's not a foul I'm sorry." Marv Albert then says , "Yup."

Webber had 5 fouls and when he picked up his 5th, Walton said, "This is a terrible call. Look at the replay, Webber has this all the way, his feet were outside of Robert Horry's."

Fisher hacked bibby, the ball went to kobe and he got a layup plus the foul when nobody touched him. The announcer Steve Snapper Jones specifically said, "That was clearly a foul on fisher that did not get called and on the other end, how can you make this call right here, as kobe squeezes in between?" Bill Walton follows up by saying, "and where was that foul opposed to the rake across bibby's arm?"

I could go on and on and on. Divac and Pollard foul out, Webber has 5, the kings have no big guys left to put in so they have to put in a scrub named Funderburk. Right when he comes in the game, he gets called for two touch fouls.

Even when Divac didn't flop, he still was targeted. He picked up an early foul and on the replay, Bill Walton said, "Hard to see how this is a foul on Vlade who just stands behind the mountain moving in." (shaq)

Forget Vlade and focus on all the other calls. That was clearly the worst officiated game in NBA history and fans from all around the world, even laker fans, agreed. Even national sports writers like Mike Wilbon and Bill Plaschke. Headlines filled national newspapers the next morning talking about the officiating. I'm not trying to bring up a dead argument 10 years later, I'm just saying that you're basing this all off of Vlade and flopping. In game 6, 2002, he didn't get called for any chargers or blocks and all 6 of his fouls were nothing close to flopping. It was impossible to flop because all 6 fouls were little touch fouls. Out of his 6 fouls, 2-3 of them were actually fouls.

"The greatest tragedy in sports" on Youtube.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 05:10 PM
didnt the kings shoot more free throws than the lakers in that series

Lakersfan2483
03-13-2011, 05:14 PM
didnt the kings shoot more free throws than the lakers in that series

Yes, they shot a lot more free throws over the course of that entire series.

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 05:29 PM
http://www.nba.com/games/20060618/DALMIA/boxscore.html

wade 11-28 fg, 21-25 fts, 43 points

M.Bibby2.0
03-13-2011, 05:45 PM
Bryant's elbow call was ridiculous, he was facing Bibby, so there's no way he didn't know he was going to hit him in the face with that 'move'. and had the situation been switched Bibby would've gotten an offensive foul, and a flagrant, maybe even tossed from the game. There's no denying the referees severely effected games 4 and 6 in the Lakers favor. And it makes sense, LA is a huge market, and had huge stars, the NBA profits much more having them in the finals and winning the championship over a Sacramento team. The Kings had the best offense in the league so its not a big deal they lead the series in free throws, but Lakers getting something like 27 free throws in the fourth quarter of game 6?? You don't even need any field goals when you're awarded 27 free throws. I'm not trying to start an argument with any laker fans, its commonly accepted in the sports world that the 02 Kings were the best team in the league and they outplayed the lakers. If we can go back to game 4 i think it was and review samaki walkers half court shot (after the buzzer by a long shot) and adjust the score appropriately kings win 5. And by game 7 if your a kings player you feel cheated and demoralized...

knightstemplar
03-13-2011, 05:47 PM
Bryant's elbow call was ridiculous, he was facing Bibby, so there's no way he didn't know he was going to hit him in the face with that 'move'. and had the situation been switched Bibby would've gotten an offensive foul, and a flagrant, maybe even tossed from the game. There's no denying the referees severely effected games 4 and 6 in the Lakers favor. And it makes sense, LA is a huge market, and had huge stars, the NBA profits much more having them in the finals and winning the championship over a Sacramento team. The Kings had the best offense in the league so its not a big deal they lead the series in free throws, but Lakers getting something like 27 free throws in the fourth quarter of game 6?? You don't even need any field goals when you're awarded 27 free throws. I'm not trying to start an argument with any laker fans, its commonly accepted in the sports world that the 02 Kings were the best team in the league and they outplayed the lakers. If we can go back to game 4 i think it was and review samaki walkers half court shot (after the buzzer by a long shot) and adjust the score appropriately kings win 5. And by game 7 if your a kings player you feel cheated and demoralized...

looked like bibby had his arm around kobe before the hit

210Don
03-13-2011, 05:49 PM
why do laker fans and coaches, love to talk about officiating.... WOW.

M.Bibby2.0
03-13-2011, 06:04 PM
looked like bibby had his arm around kobe before the hit

sorry there was no foul call either way. the foul is called after bryant already gets the ball. so he elbows bibby to the ground -no calls. then christie has to foul him to stop the clock. Its even more outrageous that no call either way is made. its as if the refs new the right call but decided not to make it.
here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLs_oQC5v0

RCarlson85
03-13-2011, 06:48 PM
Wow, Phil needs to give it a rest. His criticism and dislike for the Heat has only increased as the season has gone on. Now he just has to try to get in some more jabs to try to bring them down since they beat his Lakers twice this season when the Lakers were supposed to be the team that the Heat couldn't match up with because of the "size mismatch." Get over it Phil.

enserio
03-13-2011, 06:51 PM
With all that is made out of every Phil Jackson comment - which are all labeled as him trying to get into opponents' heads - does it actually work on anyone? It's one thing to get in the heads of your own players, but into someone else's locker?

NetsPaint
03-13-2011, 06:55 PM
Maybe Phil wanted to rally up Cuban and get him fined again?lol

Cano4prez
03-13-2011, 07:01 PM
Like Phil can talk :laugh2:

lakers4sho
03-13-2011, 07:15 PM
why do laker fans and coaches, love to talk about officiating.... WOW.

Um because we can? :eyebrow:

210Don
03-13-2011, 07:43 PM
lol yall gang up like some pirahnas relax im just messing wit yall....

dont get mad at our shiny trophy

oh and congratz on the 08 finals appearance lmao!

championships
03-13-2011, 07:46 PM
lol yall gang up like some pirahnas relax im just messing wit yall....

dont get mad at our shiny trophy

oh and congratz on the 08 finals appearance lmao!

Last time I checked that's the Lakers trophy :eyebrow:

210Don
03-13-2011, 07:47 PM
just for a few more months. enjoy it!

josh81589
03-13-2011, 07:48 PM
I love how the only people defending the heat and the fouls called during the 2006 finals are heat fans lol
talk about being biased!

Kobes a Killer
03-13-2011, 07:48 PM
lol yall gang up like some pirahnas relax im just messing wit yall....

dont get mad at our shiny trophy

oh and congratz on the 08 finals appearance lmao!

Don't get cocky man, you can't beat us or our size in a 7 game series, I don't care who has home court advantage. And you obviously weren't messing with anyone, you were serious and you know it.

210Don
03-13-2011, 07:51 PM
Don't get cocky man, you can't beat us or our size in a 7 game series, I don't care who has home court advantage. And you obviously weren't messing with anyone, you were serious and you know it.

i meant it as in we have 4 chips as a association.... if i was a mavs fan i couldnt have that in my sig cuz we would never won one but we have 4 so thats why i have it there.......
and i cant get cocky but you can saying we cant beat you???? wtf is that??? smh

and how do you know what im doing? :facepalm:

championships
03-13-2011, 07:52 PM
just for a few more months. enjoy it!

Shouldn't lie to yourself but whatever makes yourself feel better I guess.

Kevj77
03-13-2011, 08:14 PM
didnt the kings shoot more free throws than the lakers in that seriesKing shot more FT in the series, but nothing out of the ordinary they had 20 more FT in seven games. I didn't like the officiating in game 5 either. It was the worst officiated playoff series of all-time, but all anyone focuses on is one quarter. The 4th quarter of game six. Kings should have won that game, but I think the Lakers should have won game 5.

I remember game 5 with the series tied 2-2, Shaq got no calls, he only shot 1 FT in the entire game, but he still managed to score 28 points even without gettin any FTs and getting fouled out with 3:30 left in the 4th. I thought the refs fixed that game too. Sac won by 1 point Kings had 10 more FTA then the Lakers, but nobody talks about that.

The 2002 WCF was for the NBA championship and everyone knew it. The Kings would have crushed the Nets as easily as the Lakers did. If there is a conspiracy it's that the NBA wanted this series to go 7 games, not that they wanted the Lakers to be NBA champions.

JasonJohnHorn
03-13-2011, 09:04 PM
Well... yeah, Phil is right. Not sure why he would bring that up now, but it is true. I mean, in all honestly, it shouldnt have even been the Heat in the finals against Dallas, it should have been Detroit. But that is the most frustrating thing about being a basketball fan and watching the NBA, even when the refs just let teams play for a couple of seasons (03, 04, 05), and they see ratings drop, then the officiating seems to go lax in favour of certain big market teams and marquee players.

Portland and Sac-town should have both beat LA back in the day, and to be honest, Philly and Indy got hammered by the officials in the finals against LA. Same can be said for Heat/Pistons and Heat/Dallas.

That said, I think the officiating the last couple seasons has been pretty good in the playoffs. I've gotten to watch a lot of games in the post season the last couple of years, and I am not a Lakers fan or a Boston fan, just a fan of the game, and I have been pretty happy with the officiating from 07 up to 2010. I hope this year is as consistent and fair as it has been the last few seasons.

sunsfan88
03-13-2011, 09:10 PM
All the Suns-Spurs playoff series (except for last season's) have had worse officiating.

Jahari Kavi
03-13-2011, 09:12 PM
Did you watch your own lakers play against the kings in game 6 of 2002? I'm guessing you didn't since you said the miami dallas was the most phantom calls you've ever seen.

lol was thinking the same...Phil just talking out his ***** again.....the mind games only work against teams who have no shot at beating you....gonna take more than mind games to beat Celtics or Heat in a 7 game series....

Anilyzer
03-13-2011, 09:17 PM
You're basing it off just one player and one type of foul. Forget Vlade and flopping for a minute.

Kings are down 1 with 12 seconds, Bibby gets elbowed right in the face by Kobe, basically gets his nose broken, and kobe gets 2 free throws. Presidential candidate Ralph Nadar even wrote a letter to Stern specifically citing that play while criticizing the rest of the officiating at the same time.

Scott Pollard fouled out the beginning of the 4th quarter on a play where he put his arms straight up. The announcers saw the replay and Bill Walton said, "That's not a foul I'm sorry." Marv Albert then says , "Yup."

Webber had 5 fouls and when he picked up his 5th, Walton said, "This is a terrible call. Look at the replay, Webber has this all the way, his feet were outside of Robert Horry's."

Fisher hacked bibby, the ball went to kobe and he got a layup plus the foul when nobody touched him. The announcer Steve Snapper Jones specifically said, "That was clearly a foul on fisher that did not get called and on the other end, how can you make this call right here, as kobe squeezes in between?" Bill Walton follows up by saying, "and where was that foul opposed to the rake across bibby's arm?"

I could go on and on and on. Divac and Pollard foul out, Webber has 5, the kings have no big guys left to put in so they have to put in a scrub named Funderburk. Right when he comes in the game, he gets called for two touch fouls.

Even when Divac didn't flop, he still was targeted. He picked up an early foul and on the replay, Bill Walton said, "Hard to see how this is a foul on Vlade who just stands behind the mountain moving in." (shaq)

Forget Vlade and focus on all the other calls. That was clearly the worst officiated game in NBA history and fans from all around the world, even laker fans, agreed. Even national sports writers like Mike Wilbon and Bill Plaschke. Headlines filled national newspapers the next morning talking about the officiating. I'm not trying to bring up a dead argument 10 years later, I'm just saying that you're basing this all off of Vlade and flopping. In game 6, 2002, he didn't get called for any chargers or blocks and all 6 of his fouls were nothing close to flopping. It was impossible to flop because all 6 fouls were little touch fouls. Out of his 6 fouls, 2-3 of them were actually fouls.


Just watched that "Greatest Tragedy in Sports part 7" video.

First of all, the Kobe elbow thing... really? Bibby is holding Kobe, which he knows he's not allowed to do. Kobe tries to swim his arm past, makes some contact with Bibby who dramatically flops and tries to tackle Kobe on the way down.

How is that not a foul? And what is the alternative? Deciding the series on yet ANOTHER flop that a Sacramento player is trying to draw a foul with?

Flopping is not a good defensive strategy.

And then I watched more and there is the big Webber flop(s), and the music is all dramatic in that video like "waaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuaaaaahhh".

Wtf. All I see is Webber getting in front of Horry or whoever, in the cylinder area, trying to make a block and then FLOPPING.

Look... sure there were a handful of missed calls or bad calls in that game. But the greatest tragedy in sports? That is LoL funny.

Cano4prez
03-13-2011, 09:23 PM
Just watched that "Greatest Tragedy in Sports part 7" video.

First of all, the Kobe elbow thing... really? Bibby is holding Kobe, which he knows he's not allowed to do. Kobe tries to swim his arm past, makes some contact with Bibby who dramatically flops and tries to tackle Kobe on the way down.

How is that not a foul? And what is the alternative? Deciding the series on yet ANOTHER flop that a Sacramento player is trying to draw a foul with?

Flopping is not a good defensive strategy.

And then I watched more and there is the big Webber flop(s), and the music is all dramatic in that video like "waaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuaaaaahhh".

Wtf. All I see is Webber getting in front of Horry or whoever, in the cylinder area, trying to make a block and then FLOPPING.

Look... sure there were a handful of missed calls or bad calls in that game. But the greatest tragedy in sports? That is LoL funny.


That was the worst officiated series in sports history, I don't think it's even debatable really.

Anilyzer
03-13-2011, 09:24 PM
King shot more FT in the series, but nothing out of the ordinary they had 20 more FT in seven games. I didn't like the officiating in game 5 either. It was the worst officiated playoff series of all-time, but all anyone focuses on is one quarter. The 4th quarter of game six. Kings should have won that game, but I think the Lakers should have won game 5.

I remember game 5 with the series tied 2-2, Shaq got no calls, he only shot 1 FT in the entire game, but he still managed to score 28 points even without gettin any FTs and getting fouled out with 3:30 left in the 4th. I thought the refs fixed that game too. Sac won by 1 point Kings had 10 more FTA then the Lakers, but nobody talks about that.

The 2002 WCF was for the NBA championship and everyone knew it. The Kings would have crushed the Nets as easily as the Lakers did. If there is a conspiracy it's that the NBA wanted this series to go 7 games, not that they wanted the Lakers to be NBA champions.

yeah, I seem to recall that Game 5 was terribly officiated and thinking that the league was giving it to Sacramento because it was their big home game and because they wanted to keep the series alive. And then it almost backfired on them when Sacramento played awesome in LA in game 6.

That is all conjecture and conspiracy theory though... either way it would've worked out approximately the same. And this idea that it was the worst NBA game ever... RIDICULOUS.

We have clear evidence that Donaghy fixed games. How were those not worse?

Last year there were at least two games in the early playoff rounds when the Lakers got 30 FTs less than the other team. It's always a home game for the other team when they are on the verge of going way down or getting swept in the series. If we analyzed those games I bet they are worse than either game 6 or game 7 supposedly were.

I don't know how the Kings suddenly thought they were actually better than Kobe-Shaq Lakers. I mean they were good, they had a chance, but this idea that they had to be totally ripped off for LA to beat them is ludicrous.

Anilyzer
03-13-2011, 09:32 PM
That was the worst officiated series in sports history, I don't think it's even debatable really.

Not true. That game wasn't fixed. You can question the refereeing, how it all went down, but there's no way it can be worse than games that were criminally fixed and had FT disparities of 20+.

Game 7 Sacramento made 16-30 FTs (53%), Lakers made 27-33 (81%).

If Sacramento had made 8 more FTs they would've WON. How much more do you want? Again, your flops count for nothing.

Game 6 Sacramento made 18-25, and Lakers 34-40. Yes Lakers got 15 more FTs, but is really not that much, ESPECIALLY when you are sending Shaq to the line 17 times.


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4966/a-professional-gambler-s-take-on-the-tim-donaghy-scandal


There aren't that many games in the last five or six years where a team had a 20 point free throw edge. In a sample of 6,373 games I show there being 167 games where the home team shot 20 more free throws than the visiting team, and 78 where the visiting team shot more. I hate trotting out numbers to prove my point because you can cherry-pick whatever statistics you want, but I think if someone with an objective eye goes and watches this game, focusing on Donaghy especially they'll come away thinking that it was pretty clear the Knicks got a huge advantage in the game.

Here are couple of other Tim Donaghy games that may make for some interesting viewing. Miami at New York on February 26, 2007. There was a 39 to eight free throw disparity in that one.

Tim Donaghy refereed a 2003 Knicks at Lakers game that had a 47 to six free throw disparity.

In a 2006 Orlando at Utah game refereed by Tim Donaghy, there were two technicals called against Orlando in the final two seconds of the game.

Most of the information I have about Donaghy is from the 2006-2007 season and its plain as day to me that Donaghy did
change the outcome of the games, I don't see how any rational human being could argue otherwise.

marlinsfan24
03-13-2011, 09:32 PM
I love how the only people that think the Mavs can win the finals are Mavs fans lol
talk about being biased!

Fixed :D

MiamiWadeCounty
03-13-2011, 09:37 PM
Reading comments from bitter and heart-broken sports fans is fun and makes my Sunday night. :D

IBleedPurple
03-13-2011, 09:44 PM
lol was thinking the same...Phil just talking out his ***** again.....the mind games only work against teams who have no shot at beating you....gonna take more than mind games to beat Celtics or Heat in a 7 game series....

I'm not a fan of any of those teams......but to be honest, it wouldn't even take mind games for the Lakers to beat the Heat. The Heat need tougher (and more) big men to win that series. Not to mention, they would have to beat Boston/Orlando first.

Bruno
03-13-2011, 11:42 PM
Fans love to mention game six of the 2002 WCF. But they don't talk about games two & three, when the Kings shot 33 more FT's than the Lakers over a two game span. This was despite the fact that the Lakers had two of the top five players in the NBA in FTA per game on their roster, playing 40+ mpg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205240LAL.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205200SAC.html

Phil is clearly planting seeds for later w/ this comment.

NetsPaint
03-14-2011, 12:00 AM
Didn't the truth come out it was fixed though? That's the thing.

And it's really not fair to either team and it's fans. If games are fixed it doesn't mean the teams who won wouldn't have won anyway. It was just in a different way.

AIRMAR72
03-14-2011, 12:12 AM
the trouble maker phil has been doing stuff like this for decades several time in da past he bad mouth patrick ewing knicks team(about there tuff D) to the media back in da day they had no chance against jordan and da bulls since refs started calling all sorts of fouls thanks to phil even if you breath on a bull player it was a automatic foul phil just being phil

PLAYERS FAN
03-14-2011, 12:17 AM
That was one of my saddest moment! Stern really wanted Shaq to get his fourth ring before Kobe!

Young2Kinsler
03-14-2011, 12:29 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

The NBA saw a chance to create another Jordan and ran with it.

I don't want to sound like a bitter Mavs fan, and the Mavs did kill themselves quite a bit in that series, but I have NEVER seen such officiating. It wasn't even 1 sided, it was for 1 single player, worse than even Jordan.

enserio
03-14-2011, 01:09 AM
Isn't this thread about the Heat and, maybe the Lakers?

What are all these whiners doing in here?

If you believe Donaghy, and a lot of you, under no other circumstances, would believe a convicted felon - but in this case you made an exception. If you believe him, then all he said was that they wanted a game 7 for the $$$ and the ratings. Never said anything about the Lakers winning the whole 'ship. Kings had a lot of work to do for that trophy and came up short. Short, I say.

Dnovakovic099
03-14-2011, 01:54 AM
The refs definitely played a role. I was stunned Wade shot that many FT's in Game 5 as well. But you gotta give Wade credit for attacking and taking advantage, is all I'm saying.

This thread has become a complete joke. You saying that we should give credit for Wade for recognizing that he will get calls and take advantage is a complete joke. I agree the past is the past and Miami fans should be happy they have a title because this is the NBA and the NBA is rigged, but please don't try and defend the refs/Miami players or bash the Mavs. The Mavs fans have a right to complain because they got robbed. You have a right to be happy because you won.

Dnovakovic099
03-14-2011, 02:03 AM
Fixed :D

Um, last time I checked maybe only one non-Miami fan isn't complaining. There have been Bulls, Spurs, HEAT, Lakers, Portland, and others who have said that wasn't fair officiating. When an NBA coach claims that another team got robbed five years ago you know there is something wrong. You have the right to be happy for your team winning, and the Mav's fans have the right to complain about getting robbed.

On a side note, I think the NBA is getting less and less rigged because of the Media and their power. The media seems to point out more and more bad calls.

Wadeandcanes
03-14-2011, 02:09 AM
Down 13 with 6 and a half minutes in game three down 2-0, the heat would go on to win the game. That is with Wade shooting only 3 free throws in that stretch(2 after being intentially fouled) Down 2 with 3 secs left, Nowitzki goes to the line(convenient that the refs would call such a crucial foul against the heat when the game was fixed);). Bottom line he choked and missed one. Did Wade get some nice calls? Yes(what superstar doesn't). But Wade was getting into the paint at WILL drawing many fouls. The Mavs could not stay in front of him. Plus the Mavs choked and should've put the series away a couple times.
I am completely biased but I think the Mavs lost the series themselves and it had nothing to do with the refs. Wade also helped them lose lol.

To

RIPSweetness34
03-14-2011, 02:52 AM
everyone hates the heat i don't get it...

"Not 5, not 6, not 7..." Start with one before you insult the rest of the league with more than Jordan.

TrueFan420
03-14-2011, 02:56 AM
:bs: I'm sorry, but Cuban had this coming. He planned a parade in DAL after going up 2-0 in the Finals against us like a fool, then his own team choked and MIA proved to be the better team in the end. Blame officiating all you want, but it isn't the refs' fault that Dirk missed a critical FT in game 3, that DAL blew a 13-point lead with 5-6 minutes left in the game, that they missed critical FT's in game 5, etc..... I could go on. MIA was agressive, DAL wasn't. Therfore, MIA got more FT's than the mavs. It's the NBA folks, that's how it works.

your tripping... mia was agressive hahahha yea cause they could go to the hoop not get touched and still end up on the line.

Anilyzer
03-14-2011, 03:38 AM
Isn't this thread about the Heat and, maybe the Lakers?

What are all these whiners doing in here?

If you believe Donaghy, and a lot of you, under no other circumstances, would believe a convicted felon - but in this case you made an exception. If you believe him, then all he said was that they wanted a game 7 for the $$$ and the ratings. Never said anything about the Lakers winning the whole 'ship. Kings had a lot of work to do for that trophy and came up short. Short, I say.

Donaghy didn't officiate that game, and there is no proof that it was fixed.

He did float the (obvious) theory that the league would want the Lakers in the Finals, but lots of people said that after the fact.

I myself said it did indeed look like the league tried to extend the series by favoring Sacramento in game 5, then had to kind of compensate in game 6 when Sac was unexpectedly hot in LA. Game 7 was apparently up for grabs, and as we've noted, LA only got 3 more FTs and Sac could've won if they had made a few more.

Apparently there is something to the "homecourt advantage" thing or the refs kind of keeping control sometimes. But I don't think we can say that the league is "fixed" or something like that. Donaghy points out a lot of disturbing stuff, but it seems to revolve around what the referees do as individuals and teams, NOT what the league orchestrates... although van Gundy also showed that the league has direct input into officiating as well.

But... it's not "fixed", unless there are crooked refs; game 7 2002 was pretty fair and Sacramento flopped way too much, including the Bibby kobe elbow play.

Refs could and should be better, and should be independently monitored. Stern shouldn't have his finger on the button so to speak, it's too much power, especially when they're betting billions on endorsement deals and business ventures involving star players.

GREATNESS ONE
03-14-2011, 04:03 AM
"Not 5, not 6, not 7..." Start with one before you insult the rest of the league with more than Jordan.

That Display of Disrespect is a GIANT reason why I can't stand the Heat.

gr824
03-14-2011, 04:22 AM
Donaghy didn't officiate that game, and there is no proof that it was fixed.

He did float the (obvious) theory that the league would want the Lakers in the Finals, but lots of people said that after the fact.

I myself said it did indeed look like the league tried to extend the series by favoring Sacramento in game 5, then had to kind of compensate in game 6 when Sac was unexpectedly hot in LA. Game 7 was apparently up for grabs, and as we've noted, LA only got 3 more FTs and Sac could've won if they had made a few more.

Apparently there is something to the "homecourt advantage" thing or the refs kind of keeping control sometimes. But I don't think we can say that the league is "fixed" or something like that. Donaghy points out a lot of disturbing stuff, but it seems to revolve around what the referees do as individuals and teams, NOT what the league orchestrates... although van Gundy also showed that the league has direct input into officiating as well.

But... it's not "fixed", unless there are crooked refs; game 7 2002 was pretty fair and Sacramento flopped way too much, including the Bibby kobe elbow play.

Refs could and should be better, and should be independently monitored. Stern shouldn't have his finger on the button so to speak, it's too much power, especially when they're betting billions on endorsement deals and business ventures involving star players.

Since Game Seven was tied at the end of regulation, it is all but certain that Sacramento would have won the series had their team hit just one more FT during the course of four quarters. Unfortunately for Kings' fans, their guys could not do so; instead, they wound up choking at the charity stripe ... and the better team won as a result [ as it had in both 2000 AND 2001 ]. Revisionist history trying to state otherwise is ludicrious ...

buch88
03-14-2011, 04:28 AM
there never should have been a game 7 in the first place.....

buch88
03-14-2011, 04:30 AM
Donaghy didn't officiate that game, and there is no proof that it was fixed.

He did float the (obvious) theory that the league would want the Lakers in the Finals, but lots of people said that after the fact.

I myself said it did indeed look like the league tried to extend the series by favoring Sacramento in game 5, then had to kind of compensate in game 6 when Sac was unexpectedly hot in LA. Game 7 was apparently up for grabs, and as we've noted, LA only got 3 more FTs and Sac could've won if they had made a few more.

Apparently there is something to the "homecourt advantage" thing or the refs kind of keeping control sometimes. But I don't think we can say that the league is "fixed" or something like that. Donaghy points out a lot of disturbing stuff, but it seems to revolve around what the referees do as individuals and teams, NOT what the league orchestrates... although van Gundy also showed that the league has direct input into officiating as well.

But... it's not "fixed", unless there are crooked refs; game 7 2002 was pretty fair and Sacramento flopped way too much, including the Bibby kobe elbow play.

Refs could and should be better, and should be independently monitored. Stern shouldn't have his finger on the button so to speak, it's too much power, especially when they're betting billions on endorsement deals and business ventures involving star players.

i'm sorry but as an unbiased observer, that was not a flop. bibby got nailed in the face and that was not a flop by any means. i played basketball, football, and rugby all in high school and trust me, an elbow to the face like that is no joke. i've taken elbows and knees to the face. trust me, you get your bell rung and you're dazed. i was 6'2 and weighed 190-200 through my high school years so i was pretty big for a 15-18 year old. All the elbows to my face were not as deliberate and punishing as the one kobe delivered bibby. sounds like you havent participated in much physical activity. that's a joke that you think that's a flop by bibby. that is an absolute joke. but c'mon, that was not a flop and should have been an offensive foul on bryant. that's a fact, not an opinion. even if it was a flop, (which it wasnt) it still should have been an offensive foul. bryant nailed bibby in the face, the nation saw it, the nation reported it in newspapers and internet blogs all over the place, end of story. that was not a flop.

buch88
03-14-2011, 04:31 AM
sorry there was no foul call either way. the foul is called after bryant already gets the ball. so he elbows bibby to the ground -no calls. then christie has to foul him to stop the clock. Its even more outrageous that no call either way is made. its as if the refs new the right call but decided not to make it.
here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLs_oQC5v0

good lord.... and to think the guy i'm talking to above me said bibby flopped... insanity at its finest.

Nighthawk
03-14-2011, 04:32 AM
Stern HATES Cuban...No way he wanted him and Dallas to win. Dallas went up 2-0 and the officiating went dooooooown

MalZee24
03-14-2011, 04:38 AM
Just watched that "Greatest Tragedy in Sports part 7" video.

First of all, the Kobe elbow thing... really? Bibby is holding Kobe, which he knows he's not allowed to do. Kobe tries to swim his arm past, makes some contact with Bibby who dramatically flops and tries to tackle Kobe on the way down.

How is that not a foul? And what is the alternative? Deciding the series on yet ANOTHER flop that a Sacramento player is trying to draw a foul with?

Flopping is not a good defensive strategy.

And then I watched more and there is the big Webber flop(s), and the music is all dramatic in that video like "waaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuaaaaahhh".

Wtf. All I see is Webber getting in front of Horry or whoever, in the cylinder area, trying to make a block and then FLOPPING.

Look... sure there were a handful of missed calls or bad calls in that game. But the greatest tragedy in sports? That is LoL funny.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm a kobe fan, but that was not a flop on bibby. he got his face practically smashed in.

buch88
03-14-2011, 04:38 AM
first 20 seconds of this video... anyone think this is a flop by bibby? (real answers, not biased laker fans that are going to say "NO WAY THATS NO FLOP"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLs_oQC5v0

MalZee24
03-14-2011, 04:41 AM
first 20 seconds of this video... anyone think this is a flop by bibby? (real answers, not biased laker fans that are going to say "NO WAY THATS NO FLOP"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLs_oQC5v0

nope, not a flop. bibby's face got destroyed

hyb152
03-14-2011, 04:42 AM
first 20 seconds of this video... anyone think this is a flop by bibby? (real answers, not biased laker fans that are going to say "NO WAY THATS NO FLOP"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLs_oQC5v0

Not a flop. I remember what the Arizona Republic newspaper front page title said the next morning after that infamous game 6.

"Officiating in Western Conference Finals More Whack Than Bibby's Nose."

Fnom11
03-14-2011, 10:42 AM
Haters gonna hate. Wade attacked the basket, Dallas couldn't stop him. It's honestly as clear as that.

CowboysKB24
03-14-2011, 10:50 AM
It doesn't really matter. Heat won. No changing that.

Young2Kinsler
03-14-2011, 11:03 AM
Haters gonna hate. Wade attacked the basket, Dallas couldn't stop him. It's honestly as clear as that.

Blind ignorance at it's finest.

redsox0717
03-14-2011, 11:08 AM
Haters gonna hate. Wade attacked the basket, Dallas couldn't stop him. It's honestly as clear as that.

Bandwagoners gonna bandwagon

twoearl
03-14-2011, 11:11 AM
Did you watch your own lakers play against the kings in game 6 of 2002? I'm guessing you didn't since you said the miami dallas was the most phantom calls you've ever seen.

This!!!!! Tell Phil to keep his mouth shut and go read a book.

blacknell
03-14-2011, 11:12 AM
That series right there lead me to believe that the NBA is rigged because Dallas should have swept them or easily won that series. I still remember they showing a phantom call on wade in slow motion and he wasn't touched at all he just missed the shot

twoearl
03-14-2011, 11:15 AM
Blaming the refs is and will always be a weak arguement. When you leave the game up to a ref to decide you HAVE to live with the consequences period. Great basketball coaches tell thier players to never let the ref decide a game.

Da Knicks
03-14-2011, 11:17 AM
Still think that the lakers vs kings was worse.

Double_R
03-14-2011, 11:33 AM
Bandwagoners gonna bandwagon

haha

KingPosey
03-14-2011, 12:01 PM
Is there a lock Kings would have won the 7th game?

Did Lakers force Pedja to shoot an airball at the last second?

Deal with it kings were robbed nothing.

The series would have been over after GAME 6. And game 7 wasnt great either. You must not have watched it because it was beyond obvious.

F()()TBALL
03-14-2011, 01:28 PM
did you watch your own lakers play against the kings in game 6 of 2002? I'm guessing you didn't since you said the miami dallas was the most phantom calls you've ever seen.

thank you!!!!!!!!!!

marlinsfan24
03-14-2011, 01:36 PM
Enjoy this Mavs fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIylKeZaDb8

(If you really want a laugh, skip to 2:30)

sep11ie
03-14-2011, 01:43 PM
This just in.


PHIL JACKSON LOVES THE SOUND OF PHIL JACKSON'S VOICE!

alucard1122
03-14-2011, 01:52 PM
Enjoy this Mavs fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIylKeZaDb8

(If you really want a laugh, skip to 2:30)

hahaha Riley's dance :D.. really funny

And please old Phil Jackson shut up f u c k up and play!

still1ballin
03-14-2011, 01:58 PM
That series right there lead me to believe that the NBA is rigged because Dallas should have swept them or easily won that series. I still remember they showing a phantom call on wade in slow motion and he wasn't touched at all he just missed the shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKxxsDuDas&feature=related

i think this is the one you're talking about. This would of put Dallas up 3-2 heading back home. I remember every single espn analyst talking about how it was not a foul and it was a blown call.

marlinsfan24
03-14-2011, 02:10 PM
You guys can blame the refs as much as you want for the Heat championship, but the fact is the Heat won and the Mavs didn't do much to help themselves either.


Game Three

Led by Dwyane Wade's 42 points and 13 rebounds, the Heat rallied from a 13-point deficit with six minutes to go in the fourth quarter. The momentum-changing comeback was capped by a Gary Payton field goal from just inside the three-point line with 9.3 seconds left. Dirk Nowitzki had a chance to tie the game at the free throw line with 3.4 seconds to go, but missed 1 of 2, sealing the win for Miami.


Game Four

Dwyane Wade shined again for the Heat with 36 points, and Miami held Dallas to just seven points in the fourth quarter en route to a series-tying, blowout victory. The Mavericks' low-scoring fourth quarter was the lowest ever by any team during the NBA Finals. Jerry Stackhouse caught Shaquille O'Neal with a flagrant foul that resulted in him being suspended for Game 5.


Game Five

Dwyane Wade was the star yet again with 43 points,, leading the Heat to their third straight win over Dallas after being down 0–2 in the series. After getting the ball in to Wade with 9.1 seconds left, Dallas committed a controversial foul to send him to the line to shoot two free throws with 1.9 seconds left on the game clock. Wade hit the first free throw when Josh Howard mistakenly called the Mavericks' last remaining time out which would prevent them from advancing the ball should Wade convert on the second attempt. Wade eventually made the second free throw to give his team a one point lead after which Devin Harris attempted and missed a desperate half court buzzer beater. Wade set an NBA Finals record for most made free-throws in a game with 21.

After the game, Dirk Nowitzki kicked a ball into the stands and Mavericks owner Mark Cuban caused many "acts of misconduct" resulting in both of them being fined $5,000 and $250,000 respectively.


Game Six

Behind Dwyane Wade 's 36 points, Miami edged Dallas to win their first championship in franchise history as Jason Terry missed a critical 3-pointer that would've sent the game to overtime. Averaging 34.7 points per game in the championship series, Wade was named NBA Finals MVP (Most Valuable Player).

BlondeBomber41
03-14-2011, 04:10 PM
Whats funny is the only people who disagree with Jackson/Cuban are Heat fans.... how convenient.

Wade wasn't just getting calls on drives also. He was pulling up for 20 foot jumpers and getting whistles. A TON of his FT's came because the Mavs were in the penalty so quickly thanks to the awful officiating, and like Phil said... anyone who laid a freakin finger nail on the guy got called for a touch foul.

Its easy to be "aggressive" when all you have to do is drive and you are guaranteed a whistle. If thats all it took in a regular NBA game why would anyone ever shoot a jump shot?

Jonathan2323
03-14-2011, 04:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKxxsDuDas&feature=related

i think this is the one you're talking about. This would of put Dallas up 3-2 heading back home. I remember every single espn analyst talking about how it was not a foul and it was a blown call.

You want evidence!
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1121/nba_g_wade_300.jpg

JordansBulls
03-14-2011, 04:17 PM
You want evidence!
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1121/nba_g_wade_300.jpg

:nod:

I had to prove to people it was a foul for a while as well.

Grifftiggs
03-14-2011, 04:23 PM
Phil is a hater, just because he cant win without the best player in the league. He has always had a crutch.. Jordan and Pippen, Shaq and Kobe, Kobe and Pau, Artest. Last year they got lucky and shouldnt have won.

BlondeBomber41
03-14-2011, 04:27 PM
You guys can blame the refs as much as you want for the Heat championship, but the fact is the Heat won and the Mavs didn't do much to help themselves either.

What a ridiculous way to look at it. A team shouldn't have to overcome their own struggles AND absolutely horrible officiating.

When you are losing games by 1 point and 3 points and 4 points and the other team has a player that shot more FT's than your entire team, you don't think to yourself "Well if only we had hit a few more shots we would of still won, despite the awful officiating."

Plus what people like you fail to ever realize about situations like this is officiating like that effects both sides. Not only does it make it difficult to get stops, it makes it more difficult to score because you cant get out on the break, and you cant get into any rhythm.

Its stuff like this BS. At 1:15 the Mavs are down by a point. All they need is a defensive stop and they have a chance to take the lead. Wade goes around a screen, throws a freakin forearm right into Dirk and DIRK gets called for the foul! So instead of possibly having a chance to take a lead with a 2, they have to try and tie with a 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b3ABHMggVI&feature=related

I wish I could find the ESPN article written about this series, by Bill Simmons I believe. He went back and watched every game and just listed off every horrible call and why it was horrible. It was a great read for anyone that isn't a blind homer Heat fan.

LayZbone
03-14-2011, 04:31 PM
Dirk Nowitzki had a chance to tie the game at the free throw line with 3.4 seconds to go, but missed 1 of 2, sealing the win for Miami.

fail


Miami held Dallas to just seven points in the fourth quarter en route to a series-tying, blowout victory. The Mavericks' low-scoring fourth quarter was the lowest ever by any team during the NBA Finals.

fail


Josh Howard mistakenly called the Mavericks' last remaining time out which would prevent them from advancing the ball should Wade convert on the second attempt.

:laugh2:


You want evidence!
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1121/nba_g_wade_300.jpg

win

lakeshow3peat
03-14-2011, 04:31 PM
Phil is a hater, just because he cant win without the best player in the league. He has always had a crutch.. Jordan and Pippen, Shaq and Kobe, Kobe and Pau, Artest. Last year they got lucky and shouldnt have won.


Phil a hater lol how? you going to say jack nickelson is a hater too . Lucky ? yeah they played like crap but so did the Celtics so it was won fair and square no luck involved buddy

LayZbone
03-14-2011, 04:36 PM
Its stuff like this BS. At 1:15 the Mavs are down by a point. All they need is a defensive stop and they have a chance to take the lead. Wade goes around a screen, throws a freakin forearm right into Dirk and DIRK gets called for the foul! So instead of possibly having a chance to take a lead with a 2, they have to try and tie with a 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b3ABHMggVI&feature=related


that's your evidence? Clearly a blocking foul on Dirk. He just got in the way of Wade's progress, with no kind of position to draw a charge or anything. He bumped Wade, and then Wade threw the arm. Look closely. Dirk's ****ing left arm reached in before anything! Good call by the refs.

edit: the more I watch it, the funnier it gets that people actually cry about that call. Look at 1:29, what the hell is Dirk doing with his left arm? He had no plan.

8kobe24
03-14-2011, 04:38 PM
Wade averaged approximately 16 FT's per game. I can care less if he shot 30 ft's per game as long as it was warranted, but they weren't. Lots of phantom calls that really changed the tide of a game. Wade could have been dribbling on his own tripped on his own foot and still get a call. Anyway, we can't change the output, but any non-heat fan would tell you that the Mavs got screwed in that series.

LayZbone
03-14-2011, 04:39 PM
You want evidence!
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1121/nba_g_wade_300.jpg

lmao.... "that's not a foul!!!!!"

Harris' fingers are cupped around Wade's arm.

Car Ramrod
03-14-2011, 05:07 PM
Jackson was obviously asked about this in an interview. That being said the Lakers are not ones to be bringing this up. However....as much as I hate to say it, some of the Heat fans are right. If you push the ball to the basket good things happen especially when you are as fast as Wade is.

Look at the Celtics game this year against the Heat or the last game of the finals last year. Rondo cuts to the bucket the Celtics go up and the bigs get in foul trouble. If you hold back and fall in love with jumpshot that aren't sinking (Mavs, Celtics Finals) you big problems.

Watch Kobe and Derrick Rose. They hit a few jumpers early to tighten up the defender and then head to the basket. Good things happen when you head to the basket and if Dallas kept doing that in those finals the conversation wouldn't exist. There were some bad calls but thats no excuse.

shizzle09
03-14-2011, 05:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKxxsDuDas&feature=related

i think this is the one you're talking about. This would of put Dallas up 3-2 heading back home. I remember every single espn analyst talking about how it was not a foul and it was a blown call.

wow, seriously? do you not see Devin Harris (#34) put his knee right into wade's groin area on the drive which knocked wade off balance? Do you not see Wade almost fall forward as he's shooting? Whats even more hilarious is not a single Mav's player was complaining there because he "was" fouled.

shizzle09
03-14-2011, 05:25 PM
Jackson was obviously asked about this in an interview. That being said the Lakers are not ones to be bringing this up. However....as much as I hate to say it, some of the Heat fans are right. If you push the ball to the basket good things happen especially when you are as fast as Wade is.

Look at the Celtics game this year against the Heat or the last game of the finals last year. Rondo cuts to the bucket the Celtics go up and the bigs get in foul trouble. If you hold back and fall in love with jumpshot that aren't sinking (Mavs, Celtics Finals) you big problems.

Watch Kobe and Derrick Rose. They hit a few jumpers early to tighten up the defender and then head to the basket. Good things happen when you head to the basket and if Dallas kept doing that in those finals the conversation wouldn't exist. There were some bad calls but thats no excuse.

perfectly said

i'myourdaddy
03-14-2011, 05:30 PM
Wade averaged approximately 16 FT's per game. I can care less if he shot 30 ft's per game as long as it was warranted, but they weren't. Lots of phantom calls that really changed the tide of a game. Wade could have been dribbling on his own tripped on his own foot and still get a call. Anyway, we can't change the output, but any non-heat fan would tell you that the Mavs got screwed in that series.

and any non-lakers fan would tell you the Kings got screwed in 2002 WCF :clap:

HouRealCoach
03-14-2011, 07:29 PM
So what Phil... U coached MJ, Kobe, and Shaq... They got treatment also and the Lakers wouldnt have three peated if it werent for that BS in 2002

Mavericks dont deserve a title anyways , all they do is choke in the spotlight

HouRealCoach
03-14-2011, 07:35 PM
Wade averaged approximately 16 FT's per game. I can care less if he shot 30 ft's per game as long as it was warranted, but they weren't. Lots of phantom calls that really changed the tide of a game. Wade could have been dribbling on his own tripped on his own foot and still get a call. Anyway, we can't change the output, but any non-heat fan would tell you that the Mavs got screwed in that series.

Im not a HEat fan... I wanted Dallas to win actually cause I hated the Heat but they just flat out choked and made mistakes

What star player doesnt get special treatment, Hell remember Gasol last year?

raidersrock99
03-14-2011, 10:05 PM
who caress. lol kings got rippped off ive never complained. raiders got screwed out of the super bowl in 2001. giants lost to the angels after being in command.

**** happens and then it gets better

giants won the 2010 world series, mavs fans will get theres eventually

TylerSL
03-14-2011, 10:08 PM
who really cares what Phil Jackson says. I do find it ironic he waits 5 years to open his mouth.......

Anilyzer
03-15-2011, 12:14 AM
i'm sorry but as an unbiased observer, that was not a flop. bibby got nailed in the face and that was not a flop by any means. i played basketball, football, and rugby all in high school and trust me, an elbow to the face like that is no joke. i've taken elbows and knees to the face. trust me, you get your bell rung and you're dazed. i was 6'2 and weighed 190-200 through my high school years so i was pretty big for a 15-18 year old. All the elbows to my face were not as deliberate and punishing as the one kobe delivered bibby. sounds like you havent participated in much physical activity. that's a joke that you think that's a flop by bibby. that is an absolute joke. but c'mon, that was not a flop and should have been an offensive foul on bryant. that's a fact, not an opinion. even if it was a flop, (which it wasnt) it still should have been an offensive foul. bryant nailed bibby in the face, the nation saw it, the nation reported it in newspapers and internet blogs all over the place, end of story. that was not a flop.

Bibby has both arms wrapped around Kobe, almost like he's tackling him more than holding him.

Kobe only has a second to get free to catch the inbound pass.

He tries to swim his elbow past Bibby, Bibby goes down.

What else can they call but a foul on Bibby? Foul could've been called on Bibby the instant he grabbed onto Kobe.

If they give Bibby the call there, AFTER the grab/tackle, based on his flop, that is a terrible call. And Bibby's flop FORCES the refs to call something. They can't just "let them play" like they were apparently trying to do, because Bibby tries to cash in on a quick foul call from the refs. Unfortunately, holding the opposing player and without position, he will never get that foul call.

Anilyzer
03-15-2011, 12:24 AM
first 20 seconds of this video... anyone think this is a flop by bibby? (real answers, not biased laker fans that are going to say "NO WAY THATS NO FLOP"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLs_oQC5v0

Here:

FREEZE IT AT 23 SECONDS.

What do you see? (I'll wait).

............

Ok, here's what I see: Bibby has his arms locked around Kobe, his left leg is pushing his body directly into Kobe, and his right knee and thigh is intentionally kicking into Kobe's legs.

If you watch further, Bibby tries to literally pull Kobe to the ground.

whitemamba33
03-15-2011, 01:54 AM
who really cares what Phil Jackson says. I do find it ironic he waits 5 years to open his mouth.......

...how is that ironic?

knightstemplar
03-15-2011, 10:13 PM
and any non-lakers fan would tell you the Kings got screwed in 2002 WCF :clap:

lol 2002, were in 2011 :D
kings had a game 7 at home, yall lost, nobody cares no more