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C-Style
03-11-2011, 10:29 PM
I'm sure you guys have seen the stat of this year's Miami Heat: In the last 10 seconds of the 4th or overtime, with the Heat tied or down 1-3pts (one FG), the Heat are shooting 1-18 this season...

We've seen some numbers and blah blah come out showing how Kobe isn't that clutch, or whatever with clutch being defined in various ways (last 5 minutes, last 2 minutes, each team up or down 5... etc).

I like the 10 second clutch stat (FGM-FGA in the last 10 seconds of the 4th or OT, with the player's team tied or down 1-3) as a different look on things than we've had in the past because:
A. That means it's basically last second shot time
B. It's when your team is tied or down one shot.. which is much different and feels different than you getting a FGA with your team up 3. In this definition, if you miss, you lose or go into OT for sure basically.

I took it upon myself to go through ESPN play-by-plays of Lebron and Kobe (for obvious reasons) to see what the stats show under this definition of clutch. Since I started doing this at 4am, I only got a few seasons done, but I'll post anyways and hope to continue my research tomorrow.

So here you have it, Lebron and Kobe's "Last 10sec" Clutch stats for 08-09 (Lebron's first MVP) til present.

Lebron James
08-09: 1-4 (25%)
09-10: 1-8 (12.5%)
10-11: 1-8 (12.5%)
Total (through last 3 seasons): 3-20 (15%)

Kobe Bryant
08-09: 2-6 (33.3%)
09-10: 7-11 (63.6%)
10-11: 1-3 (33.3%)
Total (through last 3 seasons): 10-20 (50%)

Funny enough, they have the same exact amount of attempts. Not the same amount of makes though.

Swashcuff
03-11-2011, 10:30 PM
Do you have a link to these statistics bro?

HuRRiCaNeS324
03-11-2011, 10:32 PM
We've had this thread a thousand times. All stats point to Lebron, but for some reason people will still pick Kobe.

ElMarroAfamado
03-11-2011, 10:34 PM
We've had this thread a thousand times. All stats point to Lebron, but for some reason people will still pick Kobe.

Kobe because he can shoot and can do something besides dunk and lay the ball up.

210Don
03-11-2011, 10:34 PM
kobe

knightstemplar
03-11-2011, 10:37 PM
the black mamba

marvILLous
03-11-2011, 10:37 PM
in b4 rock

the rock posts on psd?!

CowboysKB24
03-11-2011, 10:39 PM
Kobe... this isn't a debate at all.

Rego247
03-11-2011, 10:42 PM
kobe.

knightstemplar
03-11-2011, 10:43 PM
damn last year kobe beasted, 7 game winners

Jewelz0376
03-11-2011, 10:43 PM
This will get locked but before the game last night they posted this stat in the pregame

With a chance to tie or put team ahead with 30 sec left since 03-04

Kobe is 22/63

James & Wade combined are 29/107

F*(&"Next Year"
03-11-2011, 10:44 PM
We've had this thread a thousand times. All stats point to Lebron, but for some reason people will still pick Kobe.

You mean all stats point to LBJ being awful when taking the game winner and Kobe having decent success? :eyebrow:

Sadds The Gr8
03-11-2011, 10:47 PM
The Rapist

HuRRiCaNeS324
03-11-2011, 10:48 PM
You mean all stats point to LBJ being awful when taking the game winner and Kobe having decent success? :eyebrow:

Oh yea thats what i meant.

:rolleyes:

Swashcuff
03-11-2011, 10:49 PM
The Rapist

:facepalm:

Chi StateOfMind
03-11-2011, 10:50 PM
We've had this thread a thousand times. All stats point to Lebron, but for some reason people will still pick Kobe.

all i gotta say is:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Geargo Wallace
03-11-2011, 10:50 PM
Steve Nash

Supreme LA
03-11-2011, 10:54 PM
We've had this thread a thousand times. All stats point to Lebron, but for some reason people will still pick Kobe.

And all votes point to Kobe except for Heat fans.

Chronz
03-11-2011, 11:02 PM
I call BS, no offense but your a phony taking credit for my boys work.

DODGERS&LAKERS
03-11-2011, 11:17 PM
I call BS, no offense but your a phony taking credit for my boys work.

Who is your boy? And what is bs? His calculations, or his saying that he did the leg work?

whitemamba33
03-11-2011, 11:24 PM
Who cares?

Last 10 seconds in a game, give me either of them..I'd use them differently, but if I have a player like Kobe or LeBron to turn to, I'll take that over 99% of the other guys in the league.

AddiX
03-11-2011, 11:29 PM
Neither of them,

Check the stats,

Melo all day

$ NyC $
03-11-2011, 11:39 PM
especially after this year how could you even ask this question..

Doogolas
03-11-2011, 11:40 PM
We've had this thread a thousand times. All stats point to Lebron, but for some reason people will still pick Kobe.

Killer. Instinct.

You are correct. Kobe. It's the same reason I take Wade in that situation over LeBron. Even though all stats say to pick LeBron.

I've never seen LeBron's last 10 second stats, but I imagine they're worse than both Kobe's and Wade's.

DwayneMVPwade
03-11-2011, 11:40 PM
Kobe

Doogolas
03-11-2011, 11:42 PM
Oh ****, there you go:


Kobe Bryant
08-09: 2-6 (33.3%)
09-10: 7-11 (63.6%)
10-11: 1-3 (33.3%)
Total (through last 3 seasons): 10-20 (50%)

In the first post. You gotta take Kobe. I mean come on.

MiamiWadeCounty
03-11-2011, 11:44 PM
And all votes point to Kobe except for Heat fans.

I take Kobe over LBJ or Wade in the final 24 seconds. In the final five minutes I'll take LBJ though. Kobe is definitely more clutch, however LBJ MAY be a better closer. Notice how I said may.

F*(&"Next Year"
03-11-2011, 11:48 PM
I take Kobe over LBJ or Wade in the final 24 seconds. In the final five minutes I'll take LBJ though. Kobe is definitely more clutch, however LBJ MAY be a better closer. Notice how I said may.

I would take LBJ In the first 43 minutes. It's in those last 5 that I want Kobe.

Avenged
03-11-2011, 11:52 PM
If this is indeed true, then it's obvious who..

I mean, I don't think anyone should argue who they would rather take a buzzer beater.. It should be Kobe. The real debate lies when it's more than that (1, 2, 3, 4 ,5 minutes left to a game)

MiamiWadeCounty
03-11-2011, 11:54 PM
If this is indeed true, then it's obvious who..

I mean, I don't think anyone should argue who they would rather take a buzzer beater.. It should be Kobe. The real debate lies when it's more than that (1, 2, 3, 4 ,5 minutes left to a game)

Yep. Last two minutes of the game I still take Kobe. Last 5 minutes though I take LBJ personally. Maybe I am being a homer, but I think with 5 minutes to work with LBJ can be as efficient and deadly as anybody.

lakers4sho
03-12-2011, 12:02 AM
I call BS, no offense but your a phony taking credit for my boys work.

What an air of arrogance.

Just because his numbers show something different from your bias doesn't mean you can just throw them out of the window.

bmd1101
03-12-2011, 12:23 AM
Neither of them,

Check the stats,

Melo all day

When he's droppin that **** in something besides a regular season game come talk knicks fan.

Kobe, period.

nickdymez
03-12-2011, 12:24 AM
Obviously Kobe

Chronz
03-12-2011, 12:52 AM
Who is your boy? And what is bs? His calculations, or his saying that he did the leg work?

Its BS that hes calling it his work, this is purely the work of Imadogg.

Chronz
03-12-2011, 12:52 AM
What an air of arrogance.

Just because his numbers show something different from your bias doesn't mean you can just throw them out of the window.

WTF are you going on about?

lakers4sho
03-12-2011, 12:58 AM
Totally misread your post. My apologies.

AIRMAR72
03-12-2011, 10:32 AM
wade or paul pierce,brandon roy(when healthy)

Gram
03-12-2011, 11:43 AM
Kobe hands down.