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AI4MVP
02-24-2011, 02:40 AM
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/02/23/cavs-clippers-discussing-trade/

Good trade for the Cavs. Baron can create his own offense.

lakers4sho
02-24-2011, 02:41 AM
They [ Cavs ] can get more than that.

beasted86
02-24-2011, 02:43 AM
I know Clipper fans want to dump Baron Davis for cap space to make a move for somebody in 2012, but Mo Williams sucks, and is still under contract for $8.5M in 2012.

hgtiger32
02-24-2011, 02:46 AM
Bill Simmons tweet:

"If Cleveland trades for Baron Davis, it will be like Bizarro Big Loser, he will put on 10 pounds per week."


my opinion tho: i honestly can't say much. Maybe Clippers fans will know if Baron gone would be a good thing. All I can think of is that if Baron goes to Cavs he will be the #1 guy and be able to shoot all game.

Chacarron
02-24-2011, 02:47 AM
Both injury-prone players this season. I don't see why the Cavs would do this unless they want to acquire even more old players with bad contracts.

TheBatchelor213
02-24-2011, 02:49 AM
Clips should keep Davis, him and Griffin are meshing and Davis is playing the best ball he has played in awhile....if anything Clips need to keep trying to get Dano.

Punk
02-24-2011, 02:50 AM
Adding more consistent shooting around Griffin is good. Even if Mo is kind of injury prone, they still have Bledsoe and Warren. They need to add a legit SF and they are stacked.

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 02:51 AM
baron is going to be pissed

he's going to have a nagging injury that will never get better, gain some weight
lol cavs

Gators123
02-24-2011, 02:53 AM
SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Clippers have agreed in principle to trade G Baron Davis to Cavaliers for G Mo Williams, sources tell Y! Sports.


....

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 02:54 AM
lmao this is so random

Gritz
02-24-2011, 02:54 AM
I really don't see either team getting any better from this deal

BRICKCITYPIMP12
02-24-2011, 02:55 AM
this is a dum @$$ trade.

godolphins
02-24-2011, 02:56 AM
Anybody else confused about this trade :confused:

hgtiger32
02-24-2011, 02:56 AM
lmao this is so random

yeah i wonder how many teams will end up making a trade during the week. it might be all of the teams

CBCable
02-24-2011, 02:56 AM
yeah, what's the angle here?

Gators123
02-24-2011, 02:57 AM
I think both GM's were bored and decided to make a random *** trade. Its a lateral move.

abe_froman
02-24-2011, 02:57 AM
i have no idea what to think

kobe24>lebron23
02-24-2011, 03:00 AM
Wow clippers are stupid if they trade Davis he's finally playing well and u trade him? Unless they know they are getting a star this summer then the move makes sense but if not then what gives!

godolphins
02-24-2011, 03:01 AM
I think both GM's were bored and decided to make a random *** trade. Its a lateral move.

Haha so true :laugh2:

godolphins
02-24-2011, 03:01 AM
Baron Davis will be :mad:

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:02 AM
i dont even think it's lateral
baron is going to tank it in cleveland

DaoudS
02-24-2011, 03:04 AM
Baron Davis is now on suicide watch.

godolphins
02-24-2011, 03:04 AM
Maybe a buyout take place soon

gotoHcarolina52
02-24-2011, 03:05 AM
@Salapingo_Sports


Source informs: Baron Davis will shave beard upon landing in Cleveland should trade go through. Wants "fresh" start.

godolphins
02-24-2011, 03:05 AM
SpearsNBAYahoo: Clippers have agreed in principle to acquire guards Mo Williams and Jamario Moon from Cleveland for guard Baron Davis

godolphins
02-24-2011, 03:07 AM
More: SpearsNBAYahoo: Clipps have agreed in principle to send G Baron Davis and '11 first rounder to Cavs for guards Mo Williams and Jamario Moon, sources tell Y!

LTBaByyy
02-24-2011, 03:08 AM
Wow, just when Davis was starting to live up to his contract

RaIDErsFTW
02-24-2011, 03:10 AM
man clippers are stupid and they get owned... that 1st round pick... is just stupid

LTBaByyy
02-24-2011, 03:10 AM
More: SpearsNBAYahoo: Clipps have agreed in principle to send G Baron Davis and '11 first rounder to Cavs for guards Mo Williams and Jamario Moon, sources tell Y!

:speechless: Please tell me they had another pick????

Bc they CAN'T be their first round pick plus Davis for Mo Williams and Moon???

Wow.

asandhu23
02-24-2011, 03:11 AM
@Salapingo_Sports

NO!!!! NOT THE BEARD!!!!! :speechless:

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:11 AM
guys, calm down
clippers have a ton of young talent. dont need another pick
it's worth getting rid of Baron for it imo

LTBaByyy
02-24-2011, 03:14 AM
The Clippers are STUPID if that is their first round pick!!!!

That has to be an ellite teams pick where it is in the high 20's

or this is dumb

believeinNYK
02-24-2011, 03:16 AM
Wow it's a trade just for the sake of making a trade and that clippers pick involved :facepalm: , I don't like it for the cavs either baron is gonna go back to being unmotivated and play like crap

VRP723
02-24-2011, 03:16 AM
LA Clippers receives Minnesota's 2011 1st round pick (Top 10 protected in 2011, unprotected in 2012) from the Marko Jaric trade.

Could that have any play here?

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:16 AM
The Clippers are STUPID if that is their first round pick!!!!

That has to be an ellite teams pick where it is in the high 20's

or this is dumb

it's really not
baron was on the hook for 2 more years at 13M after this season
Mo Will is a FA after next year
they already have a ton of young talent, this draft sucks. worth getting rid of baron

now they're going to have cap space to lock up DeAndre, and Gordon with Griffin, and maybe go get another piece

abe_froman
02-24-2011, 03:17 AM
Could that have any play here?

has to be,thats pretty valuable piece of commodity...question is ,why is a rebuilding team trading it away?

iggypop123
02-24-2011, 03:18 AM
oh ok its not their pick. wonder if baron is bought out. since he wont even try there.

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 03:19 AM
Looks like it's a done deal. As a Cavs fan not that impressed with Davis but glad we got a 1st round pick from the Clippers.

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:19 AM
has to be,thats pretty valuable piece of commodity...question is ,why is a rebuilding team trading it away?

cap space
they save 3M this year, 13 next
they already have a ton of young talent (lol 3rd time i said that)
they are going to be a player for some nice FA's with Blake and Gordon and those other young guys like Jordan and Bledsoe

beasted86
02-24-2011, 03:20 AM
NO!!!! NOT THE BEARD!!!!! :speechless:

I hope you know "@Salapingo_Sports" is that posters "own news source" a.k.a. fake.

Frrrrank!!!
02-24-2011, 03:21 AM
Cool?

LTBaByyy
02-24-2011, 03:22 AM
If he is bought out he is going to LA Lakers just to get back at them or Miami lol

And He will play amazing, quote me

beasted86
02-24-2011, 03:24 AM
cap space
they save 3M this year, 13 next
they already have a ton of young talent (lol 3rd time i said that)
they are going to be a player for some nice FA's with Blake and Gordon and those other young guys like Jordan and Bledsoe

I wonder how much cap space they will have after re-signing Jordan and extending Gordon.

Should be enough to sign a max. Maybe they go after LA native Russell Westbrook and force OKC into maxing him out. Chris Paul would be sick as well.

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:24 AM
he's not getting bought out
thats a lot of money

abe_froman
02-24-2011, 03:25 AM
cap space
they save 3M this year, 13 next
they already have a ton of young talent (lol 3rd time i said that)
they are going to be a player for some nice FA's with Blake and Gordon and those other young guys like Jordan and Bledsoe

yeah,there are benefits to it i guess.i guess your right that capspace would come in handy to bring in vet help

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:25 AM
I wonder how much cap space they will have after re-signing Jordan and extending Gordon.

Should be enough to sign a max. Maybe they go after LA native Russell Westbrook and force OKC into maxing him out.

good one. even if it isnt the clips, some team will do just that. offer the max to russell and okc will have to match it painfully for them. could be the end of them...

clips are really setting up nicely

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 03:27 AM
@chadfordinsider Yup just confirmed @daldridgent's report. Davis and Clippers 1st in 2011 to Cleveland for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon. Done in principle 16 minutes ago

LTBaByyy
02-24-2011, 03:27 AM
Idk who is more stupid....

Clippers throwing their 1st round pick (will be a top 10) for a guy that will give you the same production

ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Cavs taking on that contract when they are trying to rebuild

GodsSon
02-24-2011, 03:28 AM
@chadfordinsider Yup just confirmed @daldridgent's report. Davis and Clippers 1st in 2011 to Cleveland for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon. Done in principle 16 minutes ago

Wow, what are the Clippers thinking?

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 03:29 AM
Baron Davis is now on suicide watch.

That's pretty funny! Maybe he can open a McDonalds here like he did in Oakland.

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:30 AM
you guys crying about the clippers pick are totally missing it
i posted i think 3 times about it already

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 03:30 AM
Idk who is more stupid....

Clippers throwing their 1st round pick (will be a top 10) for a guy that will give you the same production

ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Cavs taking on that contract when they are trying to rebuild

How long is Baron's contract?

VRP723
02-24-2011, 03:31 AM
If the Clips save 13 million next year then I guess it makes sense.

hyb152
02-24-2011, 03:32 AM
Poor Baron. He has to play for those vicious fans and that classless owner. Mo Will is probably doing cartwheels in jubilation right now.

LTBaByyy
02-24-2011, 03:35 AM
The Cavs will get the 1st overall pick and another top 10 overall pick this draft now!!!!


But they have Baron to worry about dang, win lose situation

believeinNYK
02-24-2011, 03:36 AM
Not as bad a trade as I thought, the Clips can be players in next years free agency now that they shed Davis contract and Cavs get rewarded for absorbing the contract with a top 10 draft pick

godolphins
02-24-2011, 03:36 AM
Poor Baron. He has to play for those vicious fans and that classless owner. Mo Will is probably doing cartwheels in jubilation right now.

:laugh2:

Supa
02-24-2011, 03:36 AM
Why gave up an unprotected 1st round 2011 draft pick?

This trade make no sense. It doesn't make Clippers better - just lost a top pick for shorter contract.

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GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:37 AM
Poor Baron. He has to play for those vicious fans and that classless owner. Mo Will is probably doing cartwheels in jubilation right now.

when did anyone ever think someone would be elated to join the clips?
amazing. they're on the way up for sure

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:37 AM
PLZ go through, I wish we could keep the pick but we got 2 first rounders coming up. Its a shame how toxic Barons contract is but Mo is the much better fit for us, Moon is a plus.

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:38 AM
Why gave up an unprotected 1st round 2011 draft pick?

This trade make no sense. It doesn't make Clippers better - just lost a top pick for shorter contract.

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really worth it

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 03:39 AM
Poor Baron. He has to play for those vicious fans and that classless owner. Mo Will is probably doing cartwheels in jubilation right now.

Really? You're an idiot. Because Donald Sterling is such a great owner. I'm not going to deny Mo doing Cartwheels. But only because the Clips have more promise as of now. I guess I take the part about the fans as a compliment.

godolphins
02-24-2011, 03:40 AM
Well Cleveland will have two top ten picks next year

godolphins
02-24-2011, 03:42 AM
really worth it

But that will most likely be a top 10 pick

NEILarado
02-24-2011, 03:43 AM
Baron's contract has 29 million dollars remaining on it through 2013. The Clippers decided to give up their 1st round pick in a very weak draft to save that 29 million toward extending their current young talent. Makes a ton of sense to me in their part. A healthy Mo Williams will be a good fit and Jamario Moon brings nice depth at the swing positions.

We might still hear that its a top 5 or top 10 protected pick but either way its a great deal for their future.

The cavs are stuck with Baron for now but should have two of the top 10 picks in this years draft to start rebuilding.

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 03:43 AM
@RoyceWebb Baron Davis moving from Hollywood to Cleveland? His next movie will make Ingmar Bergman look cheerful.

Blazers#1Fan
02-24-2011, 03:44 AM
Now Cleveland should Get Harrington for Twan Get Sjax for a 1st and filler and get artest for Parker & 2nd

Hickson
Harrington
Artest
Sjax
Davis

I know would never Happen but the cavs would be back fun to watch

GoatMilk
02-24-2011, 03:44 AM
But that will most likely be a top 10 pick

this draft is still weak
they already have a ton of young talent. jordan/gordon/griffin/bledsoe/aminu.
worth saving money and potentially getting a big FA (doubtful as of now, but after next season, they could be extremely attractive)

Vikes_Fan04
02-24-2011, 03:45 AM
People bring up Davis being angry. Imagine Blake Griffin! they were really building on that chemistry. When Davis wasn't trying to take over and chuck stupid shots and actually distributing Clippers were looking real good.

Crackadalic
02-24-2011, 03:48 AM
:lift::lift::lift: is what i felt like doing just now after seeing this trade. Both were completely random too.:rolleyes:

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 03:48 AM
PLZ go through, I wish we could keep the pick but we got 2 first rounders coming up. Its a shame how toxic Barons contract is but Mo is the much better fit for us, Moon is a plus.

It looks like it's gone through. Mo is injured. But I'm sure he's psyched to be playing with Griffin in LA. Saw the Cavs game tonight. They projected Mo ready for friday against the Knicks. So I suppose he's ready to go.

Tony_Starks
02-24-2011, 03:50 AM
You guys must not watch very many Clipper games. Clipper fans are dancing in the streets right now! BD was detrimental in every way. His knees are shot, he refuses to ever come to camp in shape, parties all summer AND has a horrible contract. Him back home in LA is NOT a good thing, trust me.

He's been looking good the past few weeks then guess what? They just said he'll be out for the next week or so with sore knees! That pretty much wraps up his Clipper career in a nutshell. Plus they needed an athletic SF alongside Blake.

Mo Williams is no superstar but I'll take him over BD in Cali any day! This is a great day Im just mad they couldn't pull it off at the beginning of the year so they didn't have to dig themselves into a ridiculous hole while BD got in shape on company time.......

Supa
02-24-2011, 03:50 AM
The pick is unprotected. Knowing Clippers, that pick will probably turn up a future all star.

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Bulls_fan90
02-24-2011, 03:51 AM
No way the Clips traded their lottery pick for Mo ****ing Williams?

bootleg42
02-24-2011, 03:52 AM
Both injury-prone players this season. I don't see why the Cavs would do this unless they want to acquire even more old players with bad contracts.

I was asking myself the same thing......this doesn't do anything for either side.

It's all :confused::confused::confused::confused:

LTBaByyy
02-24-2011, 03:55 AM
Cavs will have 2 top ten picks in this draft, one most likely the 1st overall

Watch those 2 be big time all stars in 5 years lol that would be funny

Crackadalic
02-24-2011, 03:55 AM
You guys must not watch very many Clipper games. Clipper fans are dancing in the streets right now! BD was detrimental in every way. His knees are shot, he refuses to ever come to camp in shape, parties all summer AND has a horrible contract. Him back home in LA is NOT a good thing, trust me.

He's been looking good the past few weeks then guess what? They just said he'll be out for the next week or so with sore knees! That pretty much wraps up his Clipper career in a nutshell. Plus they needed an athletic SF alongside Blake.

Mo Williams is no superstar but I'll take him over BD in Cali any day! This is a great day Im just mad they couldn't pull it off at the beginning of the year so they didn't have to dig themselves into a ridiculous hole while BD got in shape on company time.......

I can understand the clips doing this money wise but how does this trade benefit the cavs?

Crackadalic
02-24-2011, 03:58 AM
No way the Clips traded their lottery pick for Mo ****ing Williams?

Seems like it. I think they have the twolves 1st rounder but its top 10 protected in 2011 and unprotected in 2012 so i guess their booking for the wolves to suck just as bad in 2012

Bulls_fan90
02-24-2011, 03:58 AM
I can understand the clips doing this money wise but how does this trade benefit the cavs?

They get a top 10 pick? Which could end up as high as 1.

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 04:00 AM
People bring up Davis being angry. Imagine Blake Griffin! they were really building on that chemistry. When Davis wasn't trying to take over and chuck stupid shots and actually distributing Clippers were looking real good.

Mo did the same **** with LeBron. The only difference is that Baron is older but bigger and plays better defense.

Bulls_fan90
02-24-2011, 04:00 AM
Seems like it. I think they have the twolves 1st rounder but its top 10 protected in 2011 and unprotected in 2012 so i guess their booking for the wolves to suck just as bad in 2012

Thing is the pick is (reportedly unprotected), according to sources that spoke with Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports. So it has to be the Clippers pick.

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 04:02 AM
I can understand the clips doing this money wise but how does this trade benefit the cavs?

The Cavs take on another contract for an extra year but they get an additional first round draft pick for 2011. I'm sure they'll try to flip Davis contract in the next year or two if not immediately.

Lake_Show2416
02-24-2011, 04:04 AM
dumb trade for the cavs ...big contract n injury prone for a PG at the same level ha

ElMarroAfamado
02-24-2011, 04:05 AM
Lets see...
I am a Clippers fan that has been watching them for a while and from the first year Baron got here. Since day 1 he was a chucker who was hardly a shooter. Out of shape, not motivated, you know the reasons every Clipper fan hated him. At the beginning of this season he was out of shape and it helped in digging us into such a deep hole. It is not until that stretch that we were winning that Baron started playing well and clicking with Blake, DJ and Eric Gordon before he got injured. On this recent ridiculous road trip (with EG out) Baron Davis and Blake Griffin was all the Clippers had, Baron was the only consistent scorer, passer etc. Then come today against the Hornets there was a report he was out because of his knees...Eh....
All I know is Eric Bledsoe is NOT READY to be a starting PG. They guy is out of control and plays at 100mph..sometimes this helps him but most of the time it works against him. He turns the ball over ALOT, too many times (just today they inbounded him the ball and he dropped it out of bounds because he looked away before he caught it) he makes rookie mistakes that I am hoping will be gone my next year......

As far as Mo Williams...he is a decent shooter something I think will benefit the team since EVERYONE is always open since they double and triple Blake. Jamario Moon really sucks and now we are log jammed at the SF spot with 3 mediocre (HORRIBLE SHOOTING) Small forwards....
The Clippers did this for financial relief prob to sign DJ, Eric Gordon and Blake in the future...but if they dont upgrade the SF position or get guys who can make WIDE OPEN shots then Blake and Eric are bolting so....

valade16
02-24-2011, 04:06 AM
The Cavs take on another contract for an extra year but they get an additional first round draft pick for 2011. I'm sure they'll try to flip Davis contract in the next year or two if not immediately.

Good luck with that.

Essentially the cavs said "if you want us to take on Davis' contract you have to throw in a pick... A high one."

And LAC said "a pick to get rid of Davis? Heck yeah!"

DodgerDogg
02-24-2011, 04:06 AM
it's really not
baron was on the hook for 2 more years at 13M after this season
Mo Will is a FA after next year
they already have a ton of young talent, this draft sucks. worth getting rid of baron

now they're going to have cap space to lock up DeAndre, and Gordon with Griffin, and maybe go get another piece


FINALLY someone on here is using their brain....

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 04:08 AM
The Los Angeles Clippers and Cleveland Cavaliers have agreed in principle to a trade that would send Baron Davis and the Clippers' 2011 first-round draft pick to Cleveland in exchange for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon, league sources confirmed to ESPN.com.

Davis
Davis
Williams
Williams

The deal saves the Clippers considerable money the next two seasons while giving them a younger point guard who made the All-Star team while playing with LeBron James.

Davis is still owed nearly $28 million over the next two seasons and the balance of his $13 million contract this year. Moon's contract expires after this season. Williams is owed the balance of his $9.3 million salary this season and, with player options of $8.5 million for each of the next two years, potentially could get out of his contract altogether. The savings should give the Clippers more flexibility in free agency the next two seasons.

The Clippers would give up a likely top-10 lottery pick to make the savings happen. "That just shows you how much we hate this draft," one Clippers source told ESPN.com.

But the lottery pick from the Clippers was exactly what the Cavs were after. A Cavs source told ESPN.com that the trade was made primarily for the draft pick.

"We know we're going to have to build this team through the lottery," the source said. "We hope Baron works out, but our primary focus was the pick. We really wanted two top-10 picks to infuse the team with young talent."

In Davis, the Cavs would get a veteran who, when he's engaged, is one of the top point guards in the league. But will Davis be engaged on a team with the worst record in the NBA?
"Baron won't be happy," said a GM who has had past dealings with Davis. "This is a worst-case scenario for him. He was just starting to get happy in L.A. playing with [Clippers rookie] Blake Griffin. There's not much to get excited about in Cleveland these days."

The trade agreement is a revival of discussions that began over the summer, when the Cavaliers scrambled to upgrade their talent to appease James, but those talks ultimately collapsed when Clippers owner Donald Sterling nixed the deal.

Neither Davis nor Williams suited up Wednesday night. Davis sat out the Clippers' loss to the New Orleans Hornets with swelling in his knee. Williams sat out Cleveland's loss to Houston, after returning from a hip injury before the All-Star break.

The notion of Davis' being reunited with Cavaliers coach Byron Scott would be met with skepticism after the two clashed earlier in their careers in New Orleans. There also is a question of how the trade would affect Griffin, who seemed to be developing a chemistry with Davis.

"I think anything's possible," said a source with knowledge of the talks. "I mean, would Utah really trade Deron Williams?"

Ramona Shelburne is a reporter and columnist for ESPNLosAngeles.com. Chad Ford is an NBA Insider for ESPN.com.

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 04:14 AM
Lets see...
I am a Clippers fan that has been watching them for a while and from the first year Baron got here. Since day 1 he was a chucker who was hardly a shooter. Out of shape, not motivated, you know the reasons every Clipper fan hated him. At the beginning of this season he was out of shape and it helped in digging us into such a deep hole. It is not until that stretch that we were winning that Baron started playing well and clicking with Blake, DJ and Eric Gordon before he got injured. On this recent ridiculous road trip (with EG out) Baron Davis and Blake Griffin was all the Clippers had, Baron was the only consistent scorer, passer etc. Then come today against the Hornets there was a report he was out because of his knees...Eh....
All I know is Eric Bledsoe is NOT READY to be a starting PG. They guy is out of control and plays at 100mph..sometimes this helps him but most of the time it works against him. He turns the ball over ALOT, too many times (just today they inbounded him the ball and he dropped it out of bounds because he looked away before he caught it) he makes rookie mistakes that I am hoping will be gone my next year......

As far as Mo Williams...he is a decent shooter something I think will benefit the team since EVERYONE is always open since they double and triple Blake. Jamario Moon really sucks and now we are log jammed at the SF spot with 3 mediocre (HORRIBLE SHOOTING) Small forwards....
The Clippers did this for financial relief prob to sign DJ, Eric Gordon and Blake in the future...but if they dont upgrade the SF position or get guys who can make WIDE OPEN shots then Blake and Eric are bolting so....

I think both Mo and Jamario play well on a good team. They're very complimentary players. I always loved Mo and will miss him playing for the Cavs. I wish him luck with the Clips

abe_froman
02-24-2011, 04:15 AM
No way the Clips traded their lottery pick for Mo ****ing Williams?

the price you pay for getting out of barons contract

Tony_Starks
02-24-2011, 04:16 AM
I can understand the clips doing this money wise but how does this trade benefit the cavs?


Well everyone seems to agree that this draft is going to suck and if the Clippers go on another run like they did before allstar break it probably won't be top 10 anyway.

The only way this benefits Cavs is if this somehow inspires an overpaid for years to come Davis to somehow take basketball seriously again, get in shape, and return to allstar form.

In short, the Cavs F-d up!

Crackadalic
02-24-2011, 04:22 AM
Well everyone seems to agree that this draft is going to suck and if the Clippers go on another run like they did before allstar break it probably won't be top 10 anyway.

The only way this benefits Cavs is if this somehow inspires an overpaid for years to come Davis to somehow take basketball seriously again, get in shape, and return to allstar form.

In short, the Cavs F-d up!

It better be a top 3 pick cause outside of Irving and Perry jones pretty much everyone is role players and borderline starters at best. Worst draft since 2000 and 2001 IMO

dev0
02-24-2011, 04:22 AM
Baron never wanted to leave LA... but Cleveland? And right when Blake and the Clips were getting interesting? Awww man, Boom Dizzy.

Epicfailure
02-24-2011, 04:24 AM
So basically...the Cavs traded Mo Williams...for a top ten pick, with the minor letdown of paying Baron Davis for the next two years. I think it's a good trade. Although it doesn't really make sense for the Clippers....

LTBaByyy
02-24-2011, 04:28 AM
Let's face it the Cavs arent going to be good for 2 years so who cares about Baron Davis Contract

They are trying to build through the draft since they wont get FA to come to Cleaveland

But those 2 top ten picks will be good hopefully and can be the new faces of the Cavs for a while

I think the Cavs win this trade just because of the pick!!!

If they get Perry Jones and Kyrie Irving!!!!!!!!!!! I would love this

Irving
(Who Cares)
Perry Jones
Hickson
Varajao

3 years from now will be a good line up!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully this works out

LTBaByyy
02-24-2011, 04:34 AM
And this trade should 9 out of 10 times motivate Baron Davis to get back to old times

So if Davis goes back to his all star days this will be even bigger win for Cavs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baron Davis best > Mo Williams best

Arch Stanton
02-24-2011, 04:38 AM
Well everyone seems to agree that this draft is going to suck and if the Clippers go on another run like they did before allstar break it probably won't be top 10 anyway.

The only way this benefits Cavs is if this somehow inspires an overpaid for years to come Davis to somehow take basketball seriously again, get in shape, and return to allstar form.

In short, the Cavs F-d up!

Realistically this isn't that great for anyone unless this draft turns out to be surprisingly great! As a Cavs fan I really don't want Davis. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be in Cleveland. I'm pretty sure he won't really try. I hope we either buy him out or trade him to someone like Denver.

abe_froman
02-24-2011, 04:46 AM
So basically...the Cavs traded Mo Williams...for a top ten pick, with the minor letdown of paying Baron Davis for the next two years. I think it's a good trade. Although it doesn't really make sense for the Clippers....

sure it does.they're banking on the upcoming draft sucking.they have their young core already and it just needs to mature.and get out from davis hellish contract

this isnt to say its a bad trade for cleveland,i dont think it is.its a unusual ,messed up,wtf trade on the surface that actually kind of makes sense for both sides.cle gets another lotto pick in which to rebuild with(weak draft of not,it brings hope to the fanbase and is a good starting point) for the price of taking on davis contract(who is probably one of the few teams in the league it wouldnt cripple.capspace means little to them because no one wants to go there by choice right now anyways)

Chronz
02-24-2011, 04:58 AM
Mo did the same **** with LeBron. The only difference is that Baron is older but bigger and plays better defense.

The real difference is that mo can actually make shots

Mane
02-24-2011, 05:02 AM
Ha, this trade is ******** for both sides. The Cavs are taking on an awful contract, and the clippers are giving up a much needed pick.

The Cavs still made a good move, but it's just ********

LA_Raiders
02-24-2011, 05:03 AM
Why? Trade to trade?

CBCable
02-24-2011, 05:10 AM
You guys are underestimating Mo Williams. Clippers fans should be psyched about this.

True, he's no Derrick Rose, but to think he isn't a significant upgrade to Baron Davis is crazy.

koLohe2133
02-24-2011, 05:43 AM
That's baron gets for underperforming....a first class ticket to Cleveland.

JiffyMix88
02-24-2011, 06:06 AM
good trade for the cavs, trying to rebuild plus baron>mo

jimbobjarree
02-24-2011, 06:06 AM
Is this some sort of punishment for Baron almost screwing up Blake's dunk contest?

cws5887
02-24-2011, 07:19 AM
I am from Cleveland, and I love it! Two first round lottery picks this year and dumping a cry baby player that wasn't happy unless lebron let him sit next to him at the lunch table! Mo was great during the season, but a monumental choker in the playoffs. Plus he has two years on his contract (player option). I will take Baron Davis and his contract. he will mentor our two first round picks this year! I hope Mo's occasional 3 point FG makes up for his size and defense! I hope he finds another boyfriend in LA, and he keeps taking his Prozac! You can keep telling yourself the draft is week, but two top 10 picks will uncover talent! Dan Gilbert is a winner, and will not be down with his pocket book for long.

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 07:20 AM
dumb trade for the cavs ...big contract n injury prone for a PG at the same level ha

LMFAO

some people.

Cavs have 2 picks in the top 10 now. Nobody gives a crap about Baron Davis. In fact Gilbert is probably happy Davis sucks because we don't want to win more games.

Mane
02-24-2011, 07:48 AM
I'm personally in the grouping of: mo Williams is terrible

cws5887
02-24-2011, 07:53 AM
Mo is not terrible.....he just has not defense, is too small, and chokes in the playoffs!

Cavs_Fan24
02-24-2011, 08:25 AM
Nooooooooo!!!!

goose15
02-24-2011, 08:44 AM
strange deal..

kntresistheheat
02-24-2011, 08:50 AM
This deal does not make any sense for either team?

kingkenny01
02-24-2011, 09:01 AM
imagine if the cavs won the lottery picks 1 and 2 that would be crazy

soxnfins
02-24-2011, 09:16 AM
Once again, it's the Cavs making a move, just for the sake of making a move again. But, man, that would be crazy if they got picks 1 and 2 in the lottery.

mttwlsn16
02-24-2011, 09:22 AM
baron is going to be pissed

he's going to have a nagging injury that will never get better, gain some weight
lol cavs

this

JordansBulls
02-24-2011, 09:30 AM
No reason for this deal.

pistonsfanomg
02-24-2011, 09:33 AM
Deal is good for the Cavs.
They get possibly two lottery picks now

What a steal.

Crackadalic
02-24-2011, 09:37 AM
So the cavs got two lottery picks. I guess its not as bad as i thought since they can move Davis somewhere for more picks come draft time

Baragalionsfan
02-24-2011, 09:42 AM
Adding more consistent shooting around Griffin is good. Even if Mo is kind of injury prone, they still have Bledsoe and Warren. They need to add a legit SF and they are stacked.

Im a pistons fan and i think you guys should call Joe D and offer kaman for prince! you guys get your small forward and we get a our true center!!

KaiserSose
02-24-2011, 09:46 AM
Dear Clippers Fans,

You are, by no means, a good enough team to afford to give up an unprotected lottery pick to clean up your dumb mistakes. No wonder your organization is crap.

Johann
02-24-2011, 09:52 AM
But baron helped grif win the DC

Me and Mr. T
02-24-2011, 09:54 AM
imagine if the cavs won the lottery picks 1 and 2 that would be crazy

I keep hearing how horrible this draft class is going to be. Can the Cavs get anyone that's even going to be good? I'm not a Cavs fan by any means, but I'd like to see them turn it around after the Lebron fiasco.

Madtown22
02-24-2011, 10:05 AM
Weird deal

prodigy
02-24-2011, 10:09 AM
Cavs front office stated they are willing to take on bad contracts if they get high draft picks or young talent in return. Looks like they told the truth.

Plus, put some good players out there Baron Davis will show up. He wants to win just like anyone else.

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 10:14 AM
No reason for this deal.

For the Clippers? Maybe not.

For the Cavs? Another lottery pick. lol @ people who say this deal is pointless. lol indeed.

mttwlsn16
02-24-2011, 10:23 AM
Clippers unload the worst contract in the NBA, and a meaningless pick bc this draft class is crap other than the top few picks. Take on a younger PG, and a PG who can actually make shots, and an athetic 3man with an expiring.

gotoHcarolina52
02-24-2011, 10:25 AM
Clippers unload the worst contract in the NBA, and a meaningless pick bc this draft class is crap other than the top few picks.

(1) Baron Davis's contract is not the worst in the NBA.

(2) The draft class, while not the deepest, is by no means "crap."

(3) It's cute to attempt to rationalize a trade by making stuff up that makes you feel all warm and cuddly and secure inside, but the truth will set you free: your team gave up an unprotected lottery pick to rid itself of past mistakes. Fail is the Clippers. The Clippers is fail.

nyKnicks126
02-24-2011, 10:27 AM
I mentioned this in both team threads.. Cavs got the better end of the deal even though they are absorbing a huge contract...

They are in rebuilding mode and are getting top picks in this years draft..

Terrible trade for the Clippers.. Unless they use their money that they saved well in the FA..

Sixerlover
02-24-2011, 10:35 AM
Clippers got a nice fail of a deal

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 10:35 AM
(1) Baron Davis's contract is not the worst in the NBA.

(2) The draft class, while not the deepest, is by no means "crap."

(3) It's cute to attempt to rationalize a trade by making stuff up that makes you feel all warm and cuddly and secure inside, but the truth will set you free: your team gave up an unprotected lottery pick to rid itself of past mistakes. Fail is the Clippers. The Clippers is fail.

This is hilarious. Top 10 picks are suddenly meaningless because uninformed people read that the draft class is "crap" on message boards. I'm with you.

Why do the Cavs care about taking on an extra 4-5 million per season for the next 2 seasons? SERIOUSLY? An extra 4-5 million dollars...for an unprotected 1st round pick from a bad team?

Please. You do this deal all day every day and twice on, well, in this case, Wednesday night.

Cap space is useless to the Cavaliers.

Avenged
02-24-2011, 10:44 AM
I don't get this deal at all. Making trades "just because.." now are we?

rothbb23
02-24-2011, 10:46 AM
you people think this is a bad trade? in what way? Cavs gave up Mo Williams who is not needed on a rebuilding team, they get baron davis who i guarantee will be gone by next summer. Davis is not the in the plans for the cavs future. His expiring contract next year also gives the cavs the option to be a huge trade asset for the cavs next year. NOT TO MENTION THE CAVS GET A 1st Round pick which will probably be a top 10 pick considering the clippers are the 8th worst team in the league right now, and they will probably get have another top 4 pick because they have the worst record right now.

Now from the clippers point of view they give up baron davis who is a ball hog and takes the ball away from eric gordon and blake griffin who are 2 allstars of the future. Im not saying Mo williams is a great fit for the clippers but he is much better than baron "ball hog" davis. He averages more assists in which he can distribute to griffin and gordon and he is also a better shooter than davis so he can spread out the floor. Mo is a team player and Davis is a selfish player, simple as that. Also the clippers will have enough cap room the summer of 2012 to offer a max contract, i think this is worth giving up a 1st round pick in a weak draft.

Great trade for equal sides, if you cant see this then dont make ignorant comments becuase you dont no what your arguing about.

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 10:47 AM
I don't get this deal at all. Making trades "just because.." now are we?

No trade involving a lottery pick is "just making a trade to make one"

Giantwarrior
02-24-2011, 10:50 AM
donald sterlings is a cheap bastard, he will do anything to save money. why couldnt he just sell the draft pick for 3 million?

Giantwarrior
02-24-2011, 10:50 AM
wost contract in the NBA is Gilbert Arenas or Elton Brand.

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 10:51 AM
I think the funniest thing is people hyperanalyzing Baron Davis and what he will/can do for the Cavaliers. LOL. People are that short sighted? The Cavs don't WANT a guy who will add wins. Baron Davis being terrible works out, perfectly.

Niro
02-24-2011, 10:51 AM
clippers always find a way to mess it up

wtf are they thinking they have so much talent and instead of drafting another big time talent they trade him away..for mo williams?oh my

_Supreme_
02-24-2011, 10:53 AM
I know it saves them money for the future, but I still don't like this trade on the Clippers side of things at all.

They better turn that money into a very good player in the longer run.

Weezy
02-24-2011, 10:57 AM
I am guessing Clips did this to save money for this years FA for resigning Jordan. They need to keep him. As for Cavs.. this was just for the pick.. nothing else really. Not only that it is a very nice pick also for next year.

gotoHcarolina52
02-24-2011, 11:09 AM
I think the funniest thing is people hyperanalyzing Baron Davis and what he will/can do for the Cavaliers. LOL. People are that short sighted? The Cavs don't WANT a guy who will add wins. Baron Davis being terrible works out, perfectly.

LOL. Exactly!

kylem4711
02-24-2011, 11:10 AM
the dumbness of people is funny. its cool to not like the trade, but to simply not get it and say the clippers are stupid blah blah blah is ********. getting picks will not keep blake in LA. he might leave no matter what, but for the clippers to have any chance to keep him here, they need to build the team around him. Baron does not space the floor.

the clippers have to extend deandre, extend gordon and get an elite player like deron to keep blake here. if anyone will actually come is anyones guess, but atleast they can now make a plan and prove to griffin they are serious.

hugepatsfan
02-24-2011, 11:12 AM
I guess the Cavs figure no FA will go there so what's it matter taking on some extra money. There only prayer is draft picks, so they might as well stock up on them.

Tarheels23
02-24-2011, 11:25 AM
Cavs now have 2 potential top 10 picks...

Clippers get cap relief for the next two seasons in shedding Diddy's bad contract. This should make them a player in free agency, as Mo can opt out after this year or after next year.

Pretty good on both sides

pd1dish
02-24-2011, 11:25 AM
Both injury-prone players this season. I don't see why the Cavs would do this unless they want to acquire even more old players with bad contracts.

the cavs are dumping mo's contract and they got a first round draft pick out of it. idk what baron's contract is, but the cavs are in all out rebuild mode at this point so this was probably a good move for them as well as for the clippers getting rid of baron davis' ego

KaiserSose
02-24-2011, 11:33 AM
the dumbness of people is funny. its cool to not like the trade, but to simply not get it and say the clippers are stupid blah blah blah is ********. getting picks will not keep blake in LA. he might leave no matter what, but for the clippers to have any chance to keep him here, they need to build the team around him. Baron does not space the floor.

the clippers have to extend deandre, extend gordon and get an elite player like deron to keep blake here. if anyone will actually come is anyones guess, but atleast they can now make a plan and prove to griffin they are serious.


Blah, blah, blah. Clippers are giving up a lottery pick to fix a terrible contract that they gave out. This is why the Clippers sucked for so long. The clippers are not a great team and cannot afford to give away lottery picks for nothing even if you try to convince yourself that the talent pool in the draft is sub-par.

rhaas74
02-24-2011, 11:40 AM
Cavs now have 2 potential top 10 picks...

Clippers get cap relief for the next two seasons in shedding Diddy's bad contract. This should make them a player in free agency, as Mo can opt out after this year or after next year.

Pretty good on both sides

Let me ask you a question. If you could make $8.5 million each of the next 2 years, which is more than you would probably get on the market, and got to play with Blake Griffin, would you opt out? I just can't see Mo opting out of that much money.

Dodgers99
02-24-2011, 11:44 AM
the cavs are dumping mo's contract and they got a first round draft pick out of it. idk what baron's contract is, but the cavs are in all out rebuild mode at this point so this was probably a good move for them as well as for the clippers getting rid of baron davis' ego

It's $28.7M over 2 years.

As I said on the Clippers forum, the only way this hurts is if the pick ends up top 3. After that, this class sucks.

Tarheels23
02-24-2011, 11:46 AM
Let me ask you a question. If you could make $8.5 million each of the next 2 years, which is more than you would probably get on the market, and got to play with Blake Griffin, would you opt out? I just can't see Mo opting out of that much money.

Even if Mo doesnt opt out the Clippers save themselves the remainder of Davis' contract this year, $5.4 mil next year (the difference between Mo's 8.5 and Davis' 13.9) and $6.3 the following year (Mo's 8.5 vs Davis 14.8)

Super.
02-24-2011, 11:49 AM
I dont really get this, but oh well

sep11ie
02-24-2011, 11:53 AM
Is this like the most superest biggest trade like EVER?

FLMeth06
02-24-2011, 11:54 AM
I guess the Cavs figure no FA will go there so what's it matter taking on some extra money. There only prayer is draft picks, so they might as well stock up on them.

This. Clips save some money, too, plus they don't need that many draft picks anymore. They're set at almost every position.

Heater4life
02-24-2011, 12:04 PM
At first glance i thought the Clippers made a real bad move, but Barons contract was horendous. Now as said above this is why certain teams never improve. Have nothing but bad decisions. Sign Baron to horrible contract have to end up giving up a lottery pick for your mistake.

kylem4711
02-24-2011, 12:05 PM
Blah, blah, blah. Clippers are giving up a lottery pick to fix a terrible contract that they gave out. This is why the Clippers sucked for so long. The clippers are not a great team and cannot afford to give away lottery picks for nothing even if you try to convince yourself that the talent pool in the draft is sub-par.

http://basketball.******.com/article/211357/Grading_The_Deal_Clippers_Get_Cap_Space_Cavaliers_ Buy_Lottery_Pick

no one said the clippers are a great team. every team could use picks, but we have been living the dream that a pick will save us since the 80s now. the clips finally found a gem so this time its about building around him and not waiting for the draft.

bom tenson
02-24-2011, 12:19 PM
cavs get a soon-to-be cranky baron davis and a first rounder in one of the worst drafts in a while. i say clips get better end of deal with a one time all star iin mo williams.

sep11ie
02-24-2011, 12:21 PM
cavs get a soon-to-be cranky baron davis and a first rounder in one of the worst drafts in a while. i say clips get better end of deal with a one time all star iin mo williams.

I LOL'd.

hugepatsfan
02-24-2011, 12:26 PM
Is the pick protected?

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 12:26 PM
It's $28.7M over 2 years.

As I said on the Clippers forum, the only way this hurts is if the pick ends up top 3. After that, this class sucks.

ORLY? So you are willing to go on record...there will be no good players drafted after the top 3?

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 12:27 PM
Is the pick protected?

No.

hugepatsfan
02-24-2011, 12:30 PM
No.

Bad trade for LA then. Horrible trade, actually. Aquiring Mo for B-Diddy only saves them about 6 mil in the summer of Dwight/CP3/Deron. If he expired a year earlier, I'd like the move for LA. But since he doesn't - same ol' Clippers.

Dodgers99
02-24-2011, 12:34 PM
ORLY? So you are willing to go on record...there will be no good players drafted after the top 3?

Sure their are some good players. But none will be impact players after Sullinger, Jones, Williams and Irving to a slightly lesser extent. As always their will be late gems found by the likes of the Spurs. But by all accounts, this is the weakest class in a while.

heyman321
02-24-2011, 12:35 PM
LOl Baron Davis is gonna be soooooooooooooo pissed.

KaiserSose
02-24-2011, 12:35 PM
http://basketball.******.com/article/211357/Grading_The_Deal_Clippers_Get_Cap_Space_Cavaliers_ Buy_Lottery_Pick

no one said the clippers are a great team. every team could use picks, but we have been living the dream that a pick will save us since the 80s now. the clips finally found a gem so this time its about building around him and not waiting for the draft.

My point is that you can't afford to give away lottery picks to fix bad contracts. You also can't rely on BG to be the savior. What if he gets injured? or leaves? The Clippers need to continually draft and develop players even if they are terrible at it.

The Jokemaker
02-24-2011, 12:39 PM
Great trade by the Cavs. Gives them a guy who can score, a playmaker. I don't know why people are saying Baron is pissed, it's not like the Clips are playoff bound. Cavs get a pick they desperately need to get some young talent and who knows, could be a gem. People say the draft class sucks but we are judging that by so called analysts with crapshoot projectinos anyway.

And Mo shoot and is a good piece for the Clippers. Good move for both teams.

kylem4711
02-24-2011, 12:47 PM
My point is that you can't afford to give away lottery picks to fix bad contracts. You also can't rely on BG to be the savior. What if he gets injured? or leaves? The Clippers need to continually draft and develop players even if they are terrible at it.

you are saying we shouldn't build around blake? he might get hurt, but anyone could also.

its not like the clippers are blake and 4 other players. they have gordon 24 points a game, kaman 1 year removed from being an all-star (valuable trading piece), deandre who compliments blake well, aminu and bledsoe who are what 20 years old? plus we have minnys unprotested pick next year which could easily be the 1st pick.

i get what you are saying about the draft. we cant just give all of our picks away, but this team has always relied on the draft and it hasn't worked out. A change in plans is refreshing even if it starts with erasing a mistake (barons contract)

This isn't the best trade in the world, but its not the worst for the clippers either. we have more hope than ever and actually increased the number of options we have.

John Walls Era
02-24-2011, 12:47 PM
Terrible trade for the Cavs. Baron Davis out of his hometown and goes to the worst team in the league? Thats a recipe for disaster. Hes going to go to every buffet in town and try even less than he does now (throwing alley oops to Griffin isn't hard, any PG in the league can do it). Good move by the Clippers.

heyman321
02-24-2011, 12:51 PM
Great trade by the Cavs. Gives them a guy who can score, a playmaker. I don't know why people are saying Baron is pissed, it's not like the Clips are playoff bound. Cavs get a pick they desperately need to get some young talent and who knows, could be a gem. People say the draft class sucks but we are judging that by so called analysts with crapshoot projectinos anyway.

And Mo shoot and is a good piece for the Clippers. Good move for both teams.

Because Baron gets to play with Blake Griffin that's why. The Clippers are feeling an energy they haven't in years, and Baron was revitalized as well. Not to mention, LA is Baron's hometown. He'll go from an upcoming team that will be decent in maybe 3 years to the worst team in the league that will be the worst for a long time.

ElMarroAfamado
02-24-2011, 12:59 PM
Haha people who are criticizing this move must not watch follow The Clippers much apart from watching Blakes dunks...

FairWeatherFan?
02-24-2011, 12:59 PM
As a cavs fan, I'm happy with this trade. We land a likely lottery pick for absorbing a terrible contract that really has no effect on the rebuild.

To quote Hollinger:

"Capwise, however, the Cavs' logic is airtight. Cleveland wasn't going to have cap space in the summer of 2011 no matter what; and even with Davis' fat contract on the books, it'll still have plenty of space in the summer of 2012."

We still have the TPE to use until July, Jamison is an expiring next season and Davis the next.

Overall, I think it is a win-win for both teams. Clippers save some cap room and get a PG who likes to play team ball. The Cavs get the pick and a PG who reminds me of Ricky Davis..... meaning more lottery picks for the term of his contract.

The Best Around
02-24-2011, 01:01 PM
I like the trade for the Cavs. Yes, Davis will be a disaster as far as causing problems, and he is grossly overpaid. But are the Cavs good anyway? No. Are they going to sign any free agents the next few years anyway? No. So they may as well collect what may be a Top 10 pick. And just because "experts" say this year's draft is going to be weak does not mean anything. Mo Williams in my opinion is not any better than Baron Davis, and the Clippers really aren't going to save THAT much money, so but will save some. I view it as about a push deal for the Clippers, and a good deal for the Cavs.

The Final Boss
02-24-2011, 01:01 PM
this is a dum @$$ trade.

* dumb

C'mon man, you're embarrassing the Portuguese. :facepalm:

FairWeatherFan?
02-24-2011, 01:05 PM
double post...my bad

MrfadeawayJB
02-24-2011, 01:07 PM
This is a trade for trades sake

ghettosean
02-24-2011, 01:08 PM
There must be another trade coming for the clips or cavs or this just made no sense... Unless they are trying something like the Gilbert Arenas trade where they have 2 underacheivers swap places and see if they bounce back. Failed for Gilbert so far!!! Unless shaving his beard counts... LOL

lvlheaded
02-24-2011, 01:10 PM
B-Diddy was on a team that started to improve and immediately gets traded to a team going nowhere fast....hes about to blow up

clutchski
02-24-2011, 01:15 PM
Poor Baron

TheBatchelor213
02-24-2011, 01:18 PM
dont like it.....as a Clippers fan they should have made the pick top 5 protected, I dont care how bad the draft is....were talking a possible top 5 pick....and since Baron is rejuvinated, let him play out this season with Blake, get his value up a bit and then move him.....Mo's contract has two player options left on it at 8.5 million, not like hes going to opt out so its not the greatest savings unless I am missing something here. One more thing...Baron gets a bad wrap....he took less money to play for the Clippers, he came with the understanding Brand was coming too, and Brand flaked out.....give the guy some credit...at least hes a man of his word.

hugepatsfan
02-24-2011, 01:24 PM
CLE should have made this trade this time last year. I think that this would have been a decent move to try to improve their team last year. I think B-Diddy would have been motivated plying w/ Lebron.

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 01:25 PM
Terrible trade for the Cavs. Baron Davis out of his hometown and goes to the worst team in the league? Thats a recipe for disaster. Hes going to go to every buffet in town and try even less than he does now (throwing alley oops to Griffin isn't hard, any PG in the league can do it). Good move by the Clippers.

Cavs dont care what Baron does. They dont want to win games right now.

Amazing trade for the Cavs.

How many times do I have to shoot down the same ******** logic..

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 01:26 PM
CLE should have made this trade this time last year. I think that this would have been a decent move to try to improve their team last year. I think B-Diddy would have been motivated plying w/ Lebron.

And you know the Clippers would have done the trade last year...why?

darkjustice21
02-24-2011, 01:29 PM
Face it the Cavs will not be contenders for at least a couple years, Davis's contract in no way effects them except that it will be a nice expiring contract in two season. Plus they gain a lottery pick this year. Great move for the Cavs

hugepatsfan
02-24-2011, 01:29 PM
And you know the Clippers would have done the trade last year...why?

Mo Williams had better value last year than he does now. B Diddy had worse value last year than he does now. If anything, CLE would probably have declined this last year, even though I think it would have been a decent trade.

smith&wesson
02-24-2011, 01:30 PM
that was a dumb trade, baron davis was playing nice with blake. we all saw how much mo will didnt do with lebron, how is it gonna be any different with blake.

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 01:33 PM
Mo Williams had better value last year than he does now. B Diddy had worse value last year than he does now. If anything, CLE would probably have declined this last year, even though I think it would have been a decent trade.

And the Clippers would have included a 1st round pick??

Baron Davis was NOT going to make Lebron stay, lmfao.

Hawkeye15
02-24-2011, 01:33 PM
if this goes through, we can again see how inept Clippers management is. Baron is very good when motivated, and Mo Williams is average at best, while still making enough to effect bringing in more help. Bad trade for both sides, since Baron will just go back into sleep mode in Cleveland

hugepatsfan
02-24-2011, 01:36 PM
And the Clippers would have included a 1st round pick??

Baron Davis was NOT going to make Lebron stay, lmfao.

I didn't say it would have made Lebron stay. And no, I don't think LA would have included a 2010 1st rounder, but they probably would have included the same pick they just did.

I think Baron is a better player and would have been better for CLE. A potential lotery pick is also a nice piece. Obviously Lebron had his mind made up that he was going to play in MIA, but it still would have been a nice and makeable trade for CLE at this time last year IMO.

ghettosean
02-24-2011, 01:37 PM
Ok I think I get it now... The only reason they did this is because Cavs get a 1st round pick out of this. The team is terrible right now and in order to bounce back they are hoping to draft a star out of this and it's been known that the clips owner does not like Baron Davis. Not only that but I suppose he also wants to make sure that this is Blake Griffins team now not anyone elses and Mo is used to the side kick roll.

I can see how this works out for both sides and lets face it the cavs can't get any worse with this trade.

hugepatsfan
02-24-2011, 01:38 PM
if this goes through, we can again see how inept Clippers management is. Baron is very good when motivated, and Mo Williams is average at best, while still making enough to effect bringing in more help. Bad trade for both sides, since Baron will just go back into sleep mode in Cleveland

Not a bad trade for CLE. They don't do anything to their cap space situation - before the deal they had none until 2012, still the case now. They have prety much the same team, except they added a lottery pick. Actually, they're probably a few games worse cuz Baron will quit. That is actually good for a team that really can only hope for the #1 pick for like 2 straight years, maybe more.

CarniifeX
02-24-2011, 01:42 PM
I don't like the move for the Clippers. Baron was playing the great ball and was really meshing with Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. We'll see how it works out.

cmstophe
02-24-2011, 02:06 PM
Not a bad trade for CLE. They don't do anything to their cap space situation - before the deal they had none until 2012, still the case now. They have prety much the same team, except they added a lottery pick. Actually, they're probably a few games worse cuz Baron will quit. That is actually good for a team that really can only hope for the #1 pick for like 2 straight years, maybe more.

Wow, someone looking at this trade INTELLIGENTLY and LOGICALLY??

:clap:

HoopsDrive
02-24-2011, 02:29 PM
Wtf? Can anyone tell me why the Clippers would do this? I get that the Cavs got a lottery pick out of this and will probably be worse off since Baron will just slumber the rest of the season. But why did the Clips do this?

KnickFanSince91
02-24-2011, 02:32 PM
Anybody else confused about this trade :confused:

nope. I don't get it either.

FlakeyFool
02-24-2011, 02:37 PM
Cavs hoping to catch lightning in a bottle

GonnaFlyNow
02-24-2011, 02:39 PM
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/02/23/cavs-clippers-discussing-trade/

Good trade for the Cavs. Baron can create his own offense.

The biggest part of this deal for them is another 1st rounder...

GonnaFlyNow
02-24-2011, 02:40 PM
Wtf? Can anyone tell me why the Clippers would do this? I get that the Cavs got a lottery pick out of this and will probably be worse off since Baron will just slumber the rest of the season. But why did the Clips do this?

Cuz Sterling is a dumb@$$ mofo

FlakeyFool
02-24-2011, 02:47 PM
Clips really don't need anymore young prospects, thats why they got rid of the 1st

Sixerlover
02-24-2011, 02:47 PM
if this goes through, we can again see how inept Clippers management is. Baron is very good when motivated, and Mo Williams is average at best, while still making enough to effect bringing in more help. Bad trade for both sides, since Baron will just go back into sleep mode in Cleveland

If that pick is really unprotected, I think Cleveland made out well. If I was a GM I'd have no problem taking a bad contract attached to a top 10 pick.

blastmasta26
02-24-2011, 02:48 PM
Wtf? Can anyone tell me why the Clippers would do this? I get that the Cavs got a lottery pick out of this and will probably be worse off since Baron will just slumber the rest of the season. But why did the Clips do this?
Clips did it to increase a cap space.

Sixerlover
02-24-2011, 02:49 PM
Clips really don't need anymore young prospects, thats why they got rid of the 1st

But if your looking for a vet, you can do better than Mo Williams. Attach Chris Kaman to that unprotected pick and I think they could have done much better actually.

mttwlsn16
02-24-2011, 02:50 PM
Wtf? Can anyone tell me why the Clippers would do this? I get that the Cavs got a lottery pick out of this and will probably be worse off since Baron will just slumber the rest of the season. But why did the Clips do this?

1. Barons contract
2. Baron is lazy
3. The draft class is garbage other than a few names
4. Frees up a lot of cap space
5. Baron is a chucker,whereas Mo actually makes shots

mttwlsn16
02-24-2011, 02:52 PM
But if your looking for a vet, you can do better than Mo Williams. Attach Chris Kaman to that unprotected pick and I think they could have done much better actually.

The vet theyre looking for isnt Mo Williams, its going to come via FA this summer or 2012 when big names are available.

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:13 PM
No reason for this deal.

Look past the names and study their games and financial impact

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:14 PM
For the Clippers? Maybe not.

For the Cavs? Another lottery pick. lol @ people who say this deal is pointless. lol indeed.

For the longest time I thought we couldnt net anything for Baron, trust me, this is a smart move for us. It may be a smart move for you guys but youve just paid a heft fee for an unknown commodity, heres hoping you manage to get something out of it in such a weak draft

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:16 PM
(1) Baron Davis's contract is not the worst in the NBA.

(2) The draft class, while not the deepest, is by no means "crap."

(3) It's cute to attempt to rationalize a trade by making stuff up that makes you feel all warm and cuddly and secure inside, but the truth will set you free: your team gave up an unprotected lottery pick to rid itself of past mistakes. Fail is the Clippers. The Clippers is fail.

1) Ohh good point hes only the 3rd worst contract in the league, in either event we benefit from ridding ourselves of it

2) I dont know **** about the draft so I was thinking it was a steep price, but then I did some reading and Ill take the opinion of all the draft analyst who say its a draft chock full or role players

3) Can you explain what was made up about it because you literally refuted key points with flawed opinions

ElMarroAfamado
02-24-2011, 03:18 PM
1. Barons contract
2. Baron is lazy
3. The draft class is garbage other than a few names
4. Frees up a lot of cap space
5. Baron is a chucker,whereas Mo actually makes shots

Haha well said

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:20 PM
This is hilarious. Top 10 picks are suddenly meaningless because uninformed people read that the draft class is "crap" on message boards. I'm with you.

Why do the Cavs care about taking on an extra 4-5 million per season for the next 2 seasons? SERIOUSLY? An extra 4-5 million dollars...for an unprotected 1st round pick from a bad team?

Please. You do this deal all day every day and twice on, well, in this case, Wednesday night.

Cap space is useless to the Cavaliers.
Not meaningless but for a team thats ahead in its rebuilding process with an established core, the risks of losing out on a key piece in a role player laden draft is worth the CAP and superior PG.

Cavs dont need CAP space, but we do. Its unclear just how much CAP we will have but we only have a 1 year window so we needed Baron gone. Mo is actually easier to trade in future deals, he can net us other assets once his trade value rises.

Good trade for the Cavs, great trade if they can defy the odds and find someone with that pick
Good trade for the Clips, GREAT trade if they can get someone with that cap

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:24 PM
clippers always find a way to mess it up

wtf are they thinking they have so much talent and instead of drafting another big time talent they trade him away..for mo williams?oh my

Big time talent? Who

And if we already have talent, we dont need another, we need to be able to retain our core.

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:25 PM
I am guessing Clips did this to save money for this years FA for resigning Jordan. They need to keep him. As for Cavs.. this was just for the pick.. nothing else really. Not only that it is a very nice pick also for next year.
This is a multifaceted deal that helps us in so many ways. Added flexibility to extend DeAndre is among them.

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:27 PM
Blah, blah, blah. Clippers are giving up a lottery pick to fix a terrible contract that they gave out. This is why the Clippers sucked for so long. The clippers are not a great team and cannot afford to give away lottery picks for nothing even if you try to convince yourself that the talent pool in the draft is sub-par.
The Clippers are a team with great potential they need to retain their already established core long before adding an unknown commodity in what is considered a weak draft.

Your making it seem like this is what Cleveland did years ago, when they traded a 1st rounder for some euro then proceeded to trade that shooter (I think it was Jiri Welsch) for a 2nd rounder. That was the fastest Ive ever seen someone downgrade a from a 1st round to a 2nd round.

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:33 PM
that was a dumb trade, baron davis was playing nice with blake. we all saw how much mo will didnt do with lebron, how is it gonna be any different with blake.

lol how did Baron play nice with Blake yet Mo play bad alongside Bron? This is a flat out lie. Mo compliments post players and slashers much better than Baron does alongside anyone.

Cmon now this is so far beyond reality I cant believe it came from you. Mo was added to the Cavs because of his SPECIFIC skillset to play off the ball.

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:35 PM
if this goes through, we can again see how inept Clippers management is. Baron is very good when motivated, and Mo Williams is average at best, while still making enough to effect bringing in more help. Bad trade for both sides, since Baron will just go back into sleep mode in Cleveland
LMFAO a motivated Baron wasnt able to put up the #'s Mo averaged the past few years so where do you get off?

That you think this is a bad trade for both parties is sad, especially coming from you. Cleveland has no desire to win the next few years and they are a team in shambles with no direction, they need the pick we need the flexibility and the complimentary player. WIN-WIN

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:39 PM
But if your looking for a vet, you can do better than Mo Williams. Attach Chris Kaman to that unprotected pick and I think they could have done much better actually.
Id rather hold on to Kaman and see what we could get when hes actually having a good year and is an expiring contract. Best case scenario he plays so good that hes worth keeping around. What we needed more than anything was Baron gone.

shanedog
02-24-2011, 03:49 PM
All in all I'm not thrilled with the trade but I also don't think its not the end of the world

1. This is a horrible draft class. Worst in years. Anything after pick 3-5 will be like a late first in any normal draft.
2. I really like BD but he never fit our team. Sure he was our leader but its not like he was bringing the Clips to the promise land or even the playoffs
3. This move does help cap wise and keeps us flexible to an unknown CBA. (Mo is $5 less per year than BD) after we resign Deandre Jordan (4yr 24-30mil) we will still be around 50-52mil total salaries. http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

blastmasta26
02-24-2011, 03:52 PM
I think this is a fair trade, actually. Clips get to gain cap space and improve or atleast stay the same at PG. Cavs get a high pick and taking on a bad contract doesn't matter as they weren't looking to compete soon anyway.

LADTXR
02-24-2011, 03:54 PM
Good luck trying to sign a big name free agent clips. You're like the warriors, no one wants to come play for you and i'm not bashing that's the reality. I like the clips and hope they kill it but i just don't see any big name free agents coming to LA for the clippers. I hope they prove me wrong though.

NothingbutWill
02-24-2011, 03:54 PM
A trade that was just too late for the Cavs.

Didn't Lebron requested a trade to bring Baron Davis to Cleveland like 2 seasons ago?

Chronz
02-24-2011, 03:55 PM
All in all I'm not thrilled with the trade but I also don't think its not the end of the world

1. This is a horrible draft class. Worst in years. Anything after pick 3-5 will be like a late first in any normal draft.
2. I really like BD but he never fit our team. Sure he was our leader but its not like he was bringing the Clips to the promise land or even the playoffs
3. This move does help cap wise and keeps us flexible to an unknown CBA. (Mo is $5 less per year than BD) after we resign Deandre Jordan (4yr 24-30mil) we will still be around 50-52mil total salaries. http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Worst case scenario we retain our core but have a more complimentary PG who fits what we require. A player like Baron is only useful as a featured player but hes no longer at that stage in his career where he can perform in this role.

Doomsday scenario we miss out on a HOFer from that pick, considering people are saying this draft ranks up there with the KMART and Mike Miller draft Ill take my chances.

blastmasta26
02-24-2011, 03:55 PM
Good luck trying to sign a big name free agent clips. You're like the warriors, no one wants to come play for you and i'm not bashing that's the reality. I like the clips and hope they kill it but i just don't see any big name free agents coming to LA for the clippers. I hope they prove me wrong though.
Clips are in a big market, have young talent including Griffin, so a big free agent could take them far in a couple of years.

cavsbluejackets
02-24-2011, 04:14 PM
They [ Cavs ] can get more than that.

How us this? Baron Davis and Mo are equal, maybe Davis is better at creating something happen but not as good shot.

So the Cavs practically got a top 10 pick for Moon all I got to say is wow!

Chronz
02-24-2011, 04:34 PM
Good luck trying to sign a big name free agent clips. You're like the warriors, no one wants to come play for you and i'm not bashing that's the reality. I like the clips and hope they kill it but i just don't see any big name free agents coming to LA for the clippers. I hope they prove me wrong though.

Nope your just bashing because the reality is alot of players would want to come to play in a huge market for the chance to hook up with their potential packed core.

FA coming was never the problem in LA, it was DTS reluctance to shell out money that and the fact that they did suck before. But with a core like this and the willingness to spend it wont be a problem, they actually have a head start on most teams in the league. This is still LA, its not Cleveland, Utah or Minny

Chronz
02-24-2011, 04:37 PM
How us this? Baron Davis and Mo are equal, maybe Davis is better at creating something happen but not as good shot.

So the Cavs practically got a top 10 pick for Moon all I got to say is wow!
Make no mistake, Mo is better.

Yes you did pretty good but we basically got rid of Baron + upgraded at his position, added depth to a position of need and saved money all for the cost of an unknown commodity in a weak class. All I got to say is wowsers

cynomatic
02-24-2011, 06:46 PM
Im sure Baron is going to love going Cleveland :rolleyes:

ElMarroAfamado
02-24-2011, 08:19 PM
haha you guys swear players will have in mind "oh its the clippers" it will creep in their mind but i am sure they will go wherever they can get the most money no matter where that is