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kjdills13
02-20-2011, 02:25 AM
I got into an argument with a Heat fan about who was a better scorer Lebron or Melo. So i want to see other peoples opinions on the topic.

kimchi'sworld
02-20-2011, 02:32 AM
They are pretty close neck in neck but I would pick Melo. He can post up probally as well as James against anyone, has a better mid-range jumper, good 3 point shooter and is a clutch 4th quarter scorer. But James is obviously the better all-around player

kjdills13
02-20-2011, 02:34 AM
They are pretty close neck in neck but I would pick Melo. He can post up probally as well as James against anyone, has a better mid-range jumper, good 3 point shooter and is a clutch 4th quarter scorer. But James is obviously the better all-around player

I agree with that post 100 percent. Lebron is a better player but melo is the better scorer.

Cano4prez
02-20-2011, 02:34 AM
Monta Ellis

sargon21
02-20-2011, 02:35 AM
durant for me

zo#33
02-20-2011, 02:36 AM
Melo

kjdills13
02-20-2011, 02:36 AM
Monta Ellis

top 10 but not number 1 lol

kjdills13
02-20-2011, 02:37 AM
durant for me

that takes some balls, a bulls fan doesnt say rose. Good man, i figured most bulls fans would kill me if i didnt put rose on this list haha

knightstemplar
02-20-2011, 02:37 AM
Monta Ellis

i swear, every thread he gets mentioned wtf

Sadds The Gr8
02-20-2011, 02:38 AM
Monta Ellis

knightstemplar
02-20-2011, 02:38 AM
durant

Cano4prez
02-20-2011, 02:38 AM
They are pretty close neck in neck but I would pick Melo. He can post up probally as well as James against anyone, has a better mid-range jumper, good 3 point shooter and is a clutch 4th quarter scorer. But James is obviously the better all-around player

James is actually a better mid-range shooter than Melo.


http://www.82games.com/1011/10DEN6.HTM

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIA8.HTM

sargon21
02-20-2011, 02:42 AM
that takes some balls, a bulls fan doesnt say rose. Good man, i figured most bulls fans would kill me if i didnt put rose on this list haha

nah, this was an easy one to not say rose... as for rose i have him as a top 10 player in the league now, not sure where to put him after that, but one thing I do know is that I have him over Melo

And yeah good choice for at least puttin him in the poll lol

sargon21
02-20-2011, 02:43 AM
has monta become the new mike james?

footballer2369
02-20-2011, 02:45 AM
Monta, easily. Then James (who, BTW, is a better shooter from midrange and beyond the arc).

sargon21
02-20-2011, 02:47 AM
It's really not Monta. The guy wasn't even efficient until this year. How in any way is he more of a pure scorer than Durant??

kjdills13
02-20-2011, 02:48 AM
has monta become the new mike james?

I think so, you could ask who is the best dunker and people would say monta. or who the most unselfish player is and people would say..... well no one is that dumb to say monte to that question :D

coryd238
02-20-2011, 02:49 AM
Lol, stats. Players crowd melo in mid range waaay more than they do to Lebron. Melo takes much harder mid range shots, which is why his percent is lower.

BRICKCITYPIMP12
02-20-2011, 02:50 AM
Melo!!!

sargon21
02-20-2011, 02:50 AM
I think so, you could ask who is the best dunker and people would say monta. or who the most unselfish player is and people would say..... well no one is that dumb to say monte to that question :D

:laugh2:

Cano4prez
02-20-2011, 02:52 AM
Lol, stats. Players crowd melo in mid range waaay more than they do to Lebron. Melo takes much harder mid range shots, which is why his percent is lower.

LeBron is the better scorer than Melo and it really isn't even close.

GoatMilk
02-20-2011, 02:54 AM
Melo over Durant and LeBron.

he does everything Durant does, but he has a post game. thats the separation imo
go inside, then go outside, then go midrange, then get you off the dribble, run n gun, everything. love Melo's ability to score

as for Bron. again, the post up game. sure lebron gets to the rim at will, but melo's ability jump shooting gives him the edge IMO

Chi StateOfMind
02-20-2011, 02:55 AM
i would say melo or durant then monta they all can score at will

nyanks79
02-20-2011, 02:55 AM
James is actually a better mid-range shooter than Melo.


http://www.82games.com/1011/10DEN6.HTM

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIA8.HTM

No he isnt. Its close though.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Carmelo%20Anthony

sargon21
02-20-2011, 03:01 AM
lebron needs to get a post-up game, his is pretty pathetic in that area from what i've seen

cambovenzi
02-20-2011, 03:02 AM
I cant tell if we are being trolled or what, but how does melo have such a big lead?

Stroke
02-20-2011, 03:03 AM
Monta Ellis, Darvin Ham.

Stroke
02-20-2011, 03:03 AM
I cant tell if we are being trolled or what, but how does melo have such a big lead?

Have you watched him play, he can make a shot anytime he wants to.

Shareeb_omac2
02-20-2011, 03:04 AM
Monte Ellis

Cano4prez
02-20-2011, 03:05 AM
lebron needs to get a post-up game, his is pretty pathetic in that area from what i've seen

He's actually not that bad lol



This season, James has scored points on exactly 50 percent of his 56 post-up plays that resulted in a shot attempt or foul, according to Synergy Sports. Last season, that number was 58 percent. In fact, no player in the league with a minimum of 100 shot attempts in the post generated a higher point of possession on post plays than James did in 2009-10. Bosh ranked second, with Dirk Nowitzki, Zach Randolph and Tim Duncan rounding out the Top 5.


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/3950/lebron-james-mans-his-post

KingsAndNiners
02-20-2011, 03:05 AM
Kevin Martin ;)

STA_PLAR
02-20-2011, 03:09 AM
KOBE used to be for a good four years. Now it's MELO. Then Durant.

LeBron is a better all-around player then anyone but he is not an outright scorer with a pure jumpshot. He is getting better though.

Best pure scorer right now-MELO.

sargon21
02-20-2011, 03:09 AM
He's actually not that bad lol




http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/3950/lebron-james-mans-his-post

i am honestly shocked at those stats lol

it's weird how he went from 58 to 50% though... i feel like he needs to do what kobe and mj did, and take that post-up game to the next level

THE GIPPER
02-20-2011, 03:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmGfy23hvAI

That clip basically sums up why melo is the best pure scorer. 33 in one quarter!!!

Cano4prez
02-20-2011, 03:16 AM
KOBE used to be for a good four years. Now it's MELO. Then Durant.

LeBron is a better all-around player then anyone but he is not an outright scorer with a pure jumpshot. He is getting better though.

Best pure scorer right now-MELO.

Then why does he shoot better than Melo?

krest213
02-20-2011, 03:20 AM
why isn't manu not up there
oh i get
it
i
guess
he's
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finisher

go
spurs
go

hyb152
02-20-2011, 03:27 AM
Lebron. If Lebron would stop being unselfish and stop handing out 11 assists a night and just score, he would put up 37 every night.

hyb152
02-20-2011, 03:28 AM
Kevin Martin ;)

Not a bad choice. He's on my fantasy team and he's ALWAYS putting up 30+ points on like 8 for 11 shooting, 15-15 free throws. He's incredibly efficient and is probably the most underrated scorer in the league.

Raph12
02-20-2011, 03:39 AM
Melo easily, dude is unguardable; deceptively super-quick first step, great post moves, deadly midrange jumper, decent-to-good range outside, dominant around the rim and a good-to-great finisher... Reminds me of the Kobe of old on offense.

xabial
02-20-2011, 03:50 AM
Carmelos the best scorer in the NBA, all he does is score. Its what he lives for. Lebron's a more complete player better defensively, better passer, but not scoring. (At least not by much).

Carmelo can still lead a team consistently into the playoffs with his scoring ability.

SaveTheKnicks
02-20-2011, 04:19 AM
Easily..... Melo > Durant > Monta > Wade

meloman1592
02-20-2011, 04:43 AM
In order
melo(his arsenal of moves is unreal)
durant(not very quick or strong but it doesnt matter, you cant guard him)
kobe
monta(takes allootttt of shots and plays allottt of minutes so that helps...not knocking him though)
wade
dirk
lebron(best overall player and could easily be the best scorer but he doesnt seem to have that crunch time killer instinct)

Doogolas
02-20-2011, 04:44 AM
:laugh2: I can't believe Melo is winning when LeBron is basically better than or just as good as him at literally every offensive facet in the NBA.

At the rim:
55.3
70.1
LeBron wins

<10 Feet:
32.8
42.1
LeBron Wins

10-15 feet:
38.1
38.5
Even

15-23 feet:
42
40
Melo Wins

3 Pointers:
51.8EFG%
52.4EFG%
Even

bklynny67
02-20-2011, 04:45 AM
James is actually a better mid-range shooter than Melo.


http://www.82games.com/1011/10DEN6.HTM

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIA8.HTM

lol um, no

Doogolas
02-20-2011, 04:48 AM
lol um, no

They're basically completely even in terms of mid range shooting. Neither of them are very good at it.

John Walls Era
02-20-2011, 04:49 AM
Scorer? I'd go Melo.

But I'm wondering: If you put Blake Griffin on that poll, would he win? Probably.

Doogolas
02-20-2011, 04:50 AM
How does Griffin possibly win that?

Bruno
02-20-2011, 04:53 AM
Carmelo Anthony has never finished in the top 4 in total points scored on any given season, and he has a career TS% of .544...but he's the best "pure scorer" in the NBA. Okay PSD...good to know.

His efficiency is slightly above mediocre and he isn't even top 5 in ppg, or total points this season either. This poll is absurd.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html

Raph12
02-20-2011, 04:53 AM
:laugh2: I can't believe Melo is winning when LeBron is basically better than or just as good as him at literally every offensive facet in the NBA.

At the rim:
55.3
70.1
LeBron wins

<10 Feet:
32.8
42.1
LeBron Wins

10-15 feet:
38.1
38.5
Even

15-23 feet:
42
40
Melo Wins

3 Pointers:
51.8EFG%
52.4EFG%
Even

This doesn't account for the type of defense played and the type of shot taken... Melo takes a lot of contested shots and finishes around the basket with a lot of contact; Lebron gets a lot of touch calls and defenders give him the jumper to avoid the drive.

Melo is easily a better shooter and scorer, Lebron is better at everything else.

Doogolas
02-20-2011, 04:53 AM
Carmelo Anthony has never finished in the top 4 in total points scored on any given season, and he has a career TS% of .544...but he's the best "pure scorer" in the NBA. Okay PSD...good to know. This poll is absurd.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html

Yes. It is. The answer is pretty easily Durant, LBJ or Wade. Maybe Dirk.

Cano4prez
02-20-2011, 04:56 AM
:laugh2: I can't believe Melo is winning when LeBron is basically better than or just as good as him at literally every offensive facet in the NBA.

At the rim:
55.3
70.1
LeBron wins

<10 Feet:
32.8
42.1
LeBron Wins

10-15 feet:
38.1
38.5
Even

15-23 feet:
42
40
Melo Wins

3 Pointers:
51.8EFG%
52.4EFG%
Even

:love:

Jewelz0376
02-20-2011, 05:01 AM
Melo is the most complete scorer in the league....He can score easily in so many ways...he can catch and shoot, shoot of the dribble, drive off live dribble, drive from triple threat, get to the ft line, and in the post..

He has some of the best footwork of any wing player next to Kobe... Durant and Lebron need to work on their post game before I can put them with Melo...as far as scoring goes...

drobe86
02-20-2011, 05:01 AM
melo by a long shot. his offensive game is much more well rounded/ Melo can shoot midrang and 3's. Post up, face up, hit free throws etc. James can just drive and maybe get to the line but he doesnt make them. James is better all around but not offensively.

John Walls Era
02-20-2011, 05:05 AM
How does Griffin possibly win that?

Because hes overhypped (borderline overrated) and I'm calling him out (not that he knows me).

Doogolas
02-20-2011, 05:06 AM
This doesn't account for the type of defense played and the type of shot taken... Melo takes a lot of contested shots and finishes around the basket with a lot of contact; Lebron gets a lot of touch calls and defenders give him the jumper to avoid the drive.

Melo is easily a better shooter and scorer, Lebron is better at everything else.

I'm sorry but that's BS. The fact that Melo takes a ton of contested shots is him being a complete dumbass. That's why he's not even close to the player LeBron is, in terms of scoring or anything else.

LeBron gets to the rim easier than anyone in the league sans maybe Wade and Rose. And he finishes far better than Wade and far, far, far, far, far, far, far better than Rose.

Melo gets a lot of calls as well, that's why he gets to the line 8.4 times per game, which is basically the same as LeBron's 8.8 per game. So that excuse is a load of BS.

LeBron, he will also take contested as hell shots. And he drains them at the same rate as Melo. And in fact, LeBron very likely takes MORE contested shots, seeing as his assisted rate in ALL areas of the floor is lower than Melo's.

Melo:
Rim: 51%
<10: 40%
10-15: 25%
15-23: 40%
Three Point: 90.2%(!!!!!)

LeBron:
Rim: 32.5%
<10: 9.8%
10-15: 10%
15-23: 23%
Three Point: 62.7%

So no, it's not because Melo is taking way more contested shots. Because he takes WAY more catch and shoot attempts than LeBron does, and yet he still can't make them at a rate higher than LeBron.

LeBron is just a far superior scorer to Melo. And it's legitimately not close.

And I ****ing haaaaaaaaaaaaate LeBron.

Bruno
02-20-2011, 05:08 AM
Yes. It is. The answer is pretty easily Durant, LBJ or Wade. Maybe Dirk.

Agreed. IMO it's clearly Durant. He is leading the NBA in ppg for the second year in a row. He also leads the league in total points scored (12 points ahead of Kobe, who's second as of ASG weekend). Most importantly, he's doing so on a brilliant efficiency (TS% of .595).

In my book, Dirk is second. 23.3 ppg on an absurd TS% of .622.

James and Wade are nearly identical regarding ppg and TS%.

It's those four, then everybody else. Melo, perhaps leading that second tier, along with Kobe. Kobe was the best pure scorer at one point, but these days he's asked to be a facilitator, and his TS% has suffered since breaking multipal bones/tearing ligiments in his hands/shooting hand.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html

Doogolas
02-20-2011, 05:12 AM
Agreed. IMO it's clearly Durant. He is leading the NBA in ppg for the second year in a row. He also leads the league in total points scored (12 points ahead of Kobe, who's second as of ASG weekend). Most importantly, he's doing so on a brilliant efficiency (TS% of .595).

In my book, Dirk is second. 23.3 ppg on an absurd TS% of .662.

James and Wade are nearly identical regarding ppg and TS%.

It's those four, then everybody else. Melo, perhaps leading that second tier, along with Kobe. Kobe was the best pure scorer at one point, but these days he's asked to be a facilitator, and his TS% has suffered since breaking multipal bones/tearing ligiments in his hands/shooting hand.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html

There's more to it than that. Personally I discount Wade, because all he can do is drive. His jumper is legitimately God awful. He's a ****ing terrible shooter.

Dirk, well, he can certainly do everything except drive. Which hurts him and takes him off my list. You really have to be able to go ISO and drive, and that's just not Dirk's game. Best pure scoring big man for sure though for him. And yes, .662 is ****ing absurd. But still, if you can't get to the lane and create your shot at the rim, I can't give you best pure scorer.

Durant, quite possibly, but LBJ has had multiple years of ts% being higher than what Durant has done this year. I think LBJ has two years above .600, while Durant could very well pull off something outrageous for the rest of his career, I'm not gonna give him the edge of LeBron just yet.

:shrug: I dunno, just, for my money, it's LBJ. At least for right now.

Melo is the sexiest scorer. His jumper looks silky smooth, his moves are beautiful, everything he does looks so, so, so nice. But he's still not great at any of it the way he gets credited for being so.

Bruno
02-20-2011, 05:21 AM
There's more to it than that. Personally I discount Wade, because all he can do is drive. His jumper is legitimately God awful. He's a ****ing terrible shooter.

Dirk, well, he can certainly do everything except drive. Which hurts him and takes him off my list. You really have to be able to go ISO and drive, and that's just not Dirk's game. Best pure scoring big man for sure though for him. And yes, .662 is ****ing absurd. But still, if you can't get to the lane and create your shot at the rim, I can't give you best pure scorer.

Durant, quite possibly, but LBJ has had multiple years of ts% being higher than what Durant has done this year. I think LBJ has two years above .600, while Durant could very well pull off something outrageous for the rest of his career, I'm not gonna give him the edge of LeBron just yet.

:shrug: I dunno, just, for my money, it's LBJ. At least for right now.

Melo is the sexiest scorer. His jumper looks silky smooth, his moves are beautiful, everything he does looks so, so, so nice. But he's still not great at any of it the way he gets credited for being so.

Regarding Wade, points are points. His efficiency is good, even if his jumper is not. He also gets to the line a lot. During last years EC first-round playoffs, Wade posted a TS% of .650! Against the Boston Celtics? That is truly ridiculous. His TS% is identical to Jamess.

LBJ only had one season where his TS% was higher than what Durants (last season, he posted a TS% of .604). Even in his first MVP year, LBJs TS% was slightly lower than what Durant is posting this year. LBJ is the most well rounded player in the league, but he doesn't surpass KD on a strictly scoring basis on the stat sheet.

Dirks TS% is .622, not .662, my mistake, I edited my post. But that is still brilliant efficiency.

Bruno
02-20-2011, 05:25 AM
^Also Doogolas, even last season (09-10) when James posted his career-high TS% of .604, Durant posted a TS% .607, and won the scoring title/most points scored.

Raph12
02-20-2011, 05:26 AM
I'm sorry but that's BS. The fact that Melo takes a ton of contested shots is him being a complete dumbass. That's why he's not even close to the player LeBron is, in terms of scoring or anything else.

LeBron gets to the rim easier than anyone in the league sans maybe Wade and Rose. And he finishes far better than Wade and far, far, far, far, far, far, far better than Rose.

Melo gets a lot of calls as well, that's why he gets to the line 8.4 times per game, which is basically the same as LeBron's 8.8 per game. So that excuse is a load of BS.

LeBron, he will also take contested as hell shots. And he drains them at the same rate as Melo. And in fact, LeBron very likely takes MORE contested shots, seeing as his assisted rate in ALL areas of the floor is lower than Melo's.

Melo:
Rim: 51%
<10: 40%
10-15: 25%
15-23: 40%
Three Point: 90.2%(!!!!!)

LeBron:
Rim: 32.5%
<10: 9.8%
10-15: 10%
15-23: 23%
Three Point: 62.7%

So no, it's not because Melo is taking way more contested shots. Because he takes WAY more catch and shoot attempts than LeBron does, and yet he still can't make them at a rate higher than LeBron.

LeBron is just a far superior scorer to Melo. And it's legitimately not close.

And I ****ing haaaaaaaaaaaaate LeBron.

Shutting Melo down is much harder than shutting Lebron down, just ask the so-called "best perimeter defender" Lebron himself. Dude couldn't guard Melo if his life depended on it, Melo can't be stopped because he could score the ball anywhere on the court in any way. Lebron's post game isn't on the same planet as Melo's and when his shot isn't falling he tries to bulldoze to the rim... You can believe what you want, but like Melo proved last season;
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/0218/20100218__20100219_CC01_SP19NUGSFINAL~p2.JPG
Lebron can't stop him and he knows it (8-4 record for Melo alltime vs Lebron).

Doogolas
02-20-2011, 05:27 AM
I'ts pure scorer dude. For me, a "pure scorer" has to be able to do it all. You can have different criteria if you want to. But my criteria is simple, the guy who can do it all and do it all the best.

Wade fails there for me. He's a fantastic driver. But that's about it.

And a .650 in one series doesn't mean crap to me. He had an amazing series, great. He's also had some atrocious ones. For me, he can't be #1, simply because the man can't shoot.

Dirk, yes, outrageously efficient. But again, he can't do it all, very few guys can. LeBron can, sorta, I mean, he has an OK jumper and is a beast attacking the basket.

It's not all about efficiency, it's about how you get it done. Like I said, I'd probably give it to LBJ or Durant, and I'll give LBJ the slight edge for doing it multiple years. After next year, I'd be stunned if it wasn't Durant #1.

Doogolas
02-20-2011, 05:31 AM
Shutting Melo down is much harder than shutting Lebron down, just ask the so-called "best perimeter defender" Lebron himself. Dude couldn't guard Melo if his life depended on it, Melo can't be stopped because he could score the ball anywhere on the court in any way. Lebron's post game isn't on the same planet as Melo's and when his shot isn't falling he tries to bulldoze to the rim... You can believe what you want, but like Melo proved last season;
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/0218/20100218__20100219_CC01_SP19NUGSFINAL~p2.JPG
Lebron can't stop him and he knows it (8-4 record for Melo alltime vs Lebron).

That's not true. And I don't care about them going head to head. That's a stupid way to compare anything. LeBron gets stopped far less often than Melo, if you don't believe me, here is just a couple things from this year:

LeBron has 2 games under 15 points, none under 10.
Melo has 8 games under 15 points and two under 10.

LeBron has 11 games under 40% from the field.
Melo has 18 games under 40% from the field.

LeBron has 8 between 40% and 45%
Melo has 11 between 40% and 45%

LeBron has 24 over 50%
Melo has 18 over 50%

So honestly, in what way is Melo harder to stop?

Bruno
02-20-2011, 05:41 AM
I'ts pure scorer dude. For me, a "pure scorer" has to be able to do it all. You can have different criteria if you want to. But my criteria is simple, the guy who can do it all and do it all the best.

Wade fails there for me. He's a fantastic driver. But that's about it.

And a .650 in one series doesn't mean crap to me. He had an amazing series, great. He's also had some atrocious ones. For me, he can't be #1, simply because the man can't shoot.

It's not all about efficiency, it's about how you get it done. Like I said, I'd probably give it to LBJ or Durant, and I'll give LBJ the slight edge for doing it multiple years. After next year, I'd be stunned if it wasn't Durant #1.

Wade posting a TS% of .65 against Boston in the playoffs should matter, it speaks pretty loudly. When did I say Wade was #1?

Your bottom paragraph is baffling to me. For doing what multiple years? KD has posted a higher TS%, scored more points, and averaged more points per game than LBJ for two seasons in a row. LBJ hasn't edged KD in any of those categories since KD's sophomore season (when he was 20).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

It's fine if you want to have your own criteria, but I'm going by the numbers. Agree to disagree, it's all good. :cool:

SugeKnight
02-20-2011, 05:46 AM
Monta Ellis :-)

Kashmir13579
02-20-2011, 05:56 AM
How is it 'Melo? do any of you that voted for him have any statistical evidence that he's more efficient then Dirk, Bron, Wade, Durant, or Amar'e? no, you don't.

Bruno
02-20-2011, 06:11 AM
How is it 'Melo? do any of you that voted for him have any statistical evidence that he's more efficient then Dirk, Bron, Wade, Durant, or Amar'e? no, you don't.

Or Kobe, who edges him in TS% and total points scored.

Kobe: TS% of .555, 25.1 ppg, 1,432 points scored (57 games, 33.9 mpg).
Melo: TS% of .547, 25.2 ppg, 1,259 points scored (50 games, 35.5 mpg).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html

Melo is perhaps the most "effortless" scorer in the league, he makes it look so easy. But thats not what defines best pure scorer. It should be a combined evaluation of PPG, total points, and TS%. How many points you put up per game, how durable you are as a scorer throughout the season, and how efficient you are in the process.

That's why it's gotta be Durant, he leads all the other candidates in all of those categories (Except Dirk in TS%, but KD dominates him in PPG and total points scored).

Baller1
02-20-2011, 06:38 AM
Melo... :laugh2:

It's Durant, or possibly LBJ.

bolts4ever
02-20-2011, 07:03 AM
I still think 100% HEALTHY KOBE beats everyone out!

hes the most fundamentaly sound out of all the scorers easily.
and more efficient with his jump shoot than Melo and KD.
plus Kobe has the ability to post up not only smaller players but bigger taller players and I havent seen anybody that can fadeaway over BOTH SHOULDERS since Jordan But Kobe.


if roll a ball out there and say "YOU GET ME A BUCKET!!!!" some how some way I'd still go with kobe.

LBJ6
02-20-2011, 07:34 AM
Lebron!

jp611
02-20-2011, 08:11 AM
Melo = by far the most overrated player in the NBA, hes horribly inefficient, i'd rather have lebron who is one of the most efficient pure scorers than Melo who is so overrated its not even funny... can't wait til the nets or knicks gut their teams for this guy who won't even help them win 2 or 3 more games

RulerSlick
02-20-2011, 09:44 AM
Shutting Melo down is much harder than shutting Lebron down, just ask the so-called "best perimeter defender" Lebron himself. Dude couldn't guard Melo if his life depended on it, Melo can't be stopped because he could score the ball anywhere on the court in any way. Lebron's post game isn't on the same planet as Melo's and when his shot isn't falling he tries to bulldoze to the rim... You can believe what you want, but like Melo proved last season;
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/0218/20100218__20100219_CC01_SP19NUGSFINAL~p2.JPG
Lebron can't stop him and he knows it (8-4 record for Melo alltime vs Lebron).

Negative, Melo is actually a very inefficient offensive player as you can see below..






That's not true. And I don't care about them going head to head. That's a stupid way to compare anything. LeBron gets stopped far less often than Melo, if you don't believe me, here is just a couple things from this year:

LeBron has 2 games under 15 points, none under 10.
Melo has 8 games under 15 points and two under 10.

LeBron has 11 games under 40% from the field.
Melo has 18 games under 40% from the field.

LeBron has 8 between 40% and 45%
Melo has 11 between 40% and 45%

LeBron has 24 over 50%
Melo has 18 over 50%

So honestly, in what way is Melo harder to stop?



To me, best scorer = high scoring avg with FG% near 50% and TS heading towards 60% Of the high volume shooter types (lets says atleast 17 FGA's ) these are the most eff scorers quite easily.

Durant, Wade, Dirk and Lebron

RulerSlick
02-20-2011, 09:48 AM
I still think 100% HEALTHY KOBE beats everyone out!

hes the most fundamentaly sound out of all the scorers easily.
and more efficient with his jump shoot than Melo and KD.
plus Kobe has the ability to post up not only smaller players but bigger taller players and I havent seen anybody that can fadeaway over BOTH SHOULDERS since Jordan But Kobe.


if roll a ball out there and say "YOU GET ME A BUCKET!!!!" some how some way I'd still go with kobe.

Kobe has scoring diversity but he's not all that eff and takes a higher volume of shots than the likes of Durant, lebron or wade. KObe hasn't even shot a full atleast 47 FG% from the field for an entire season yet.

bolts4ever
02-20-2011, 10:02 AM
Kobe has scoring diversity but he's not all that eff and takes a higher volume of shots than the likes of Durant, lebron or wade. KObe hasn't even shot a full atleast 47 FG% from the field for an entire season yet.


Good post but I think the numbers are skeewed for 2 reasons.

1.) Both KD and Melo get to the FT line I wanna say close to 10 times a game. So shot attmpts are some what misleading.

2.) both KD and Melo play for up-tempo teams that spread the floor and run in open the court they have more chances for easy buckets
while Kobe meanwhile plays for an older team who doenst run at all and Kobe is asked to take a lot of bad shots late in the shot clock(percentage busters), because hes the only guard who can create his own shot on his team.

kjdills13
02-20-2011, 10:05 AM
People have to remember when comparing stats that Lebron has the ball in his hands much more often than melo. Lebron is a point forward and due to this he gets the oppertunity for much more layups and easy buckets. Lebron is such a good passer teams dont want to double because he will find people for open layups.

But

Melo doesnt get as many free layups bc he isnt given the ball on the outlet pass like lebron does. IMO comparing stats does not really compare who is better.

goose15
02-20-2011, 10:11 AM
1a - Melo
1b - Durant

RulerSlick
02-20-2011, 10:15 AM
Good post but I think the numbers are skeewed for 2 reasons.

1.) Both KD and Melo get to the FT line I wanna say close to 10 times a game. So shot attmpts are some what misleading.

2.) Kobe shoots more perimeter shoots than both of them and thats what makes Kobe unique hes managed to remain dominant without getting to the FT line and is mainly a 15-20ft player.

KObe even this season still gets to the line 7.1 times though this season which is only about 2 less than lebron (8.8 ) even at the rate lebron drives vs the rate Kobe stays perimeter

WizFan3
02-20-2011, 10:29 AM
kdthunderup

Gram
02-20-2011, 11:33 AM
i swear, every thread he gets mentioned wtf

It's a PSD inside joke. ;)

THE GIPPER
02-20-2011, 12:08 PM
That's not true. And I don't care about them going head to head. That's a stupid way to compare anything. LeBron gets stopped far less often than Melo, if you don't believe me, here is just a couple things from this year:

LeBron has 2 games under 15 points, none under 10.
Melo has 8 games under 15 points and two under 10.

LeBron has 11 games under 40% from the field.
Melo has 18 games under 40% from the field.

LeBron has 8 between 40% and 45%
Melo has 11 between 40% and 45%

LeBron has 24 over 50%
Melo has 18 over 50%
So honestly, in what way is Melo harder to stop?

These stats dont mean much considering melo hasn't cared about any of the games he's played this year, nor has he given 100% in any of the games this year.

CHANGO
02-20-2011, 12:28 PM
Melo
Durant
Dirk too
Monta

These players can shoot the ball from almost anywhere on the court.

J-Relo
02-20-2011, 12:57 PM
these stats dont mean much considering melo hasn't cared about any of the games he's played this year, nor has he given 100% in any of the games this year.

:d

Jap_Steak
02-20-2011, 01:07 PM
Melo but Kevin Martin should be in the talks too, just sayin.

FadeAwayLikeMJ
02-20-2011, 02:27 PM
this is the first year that i didnt choose Kobe.

LeBronze at this point.

49erGiantLaker
02-20-2011, 02:38 PM
Durant

What?
02-20-2011, 02:41 PM
Its between Durant and Lebron but I have to give the edge to Durant, Lebron is just as good of a shooter and slasher but Durant is alot better from the line and gets there more often. Pretty impressive to be leading the league in ppg and having a ts% around 60 2 straight years. Its a joke that Carmelo is winning ths pole by such a large margin and that Wade only has 3 votes. after Durant and Lebron I have a 3 way tie between Wade, Carmelo, Kobe

Edit: forgot about Dirk who I put at a semi distant 3rd simply because his offense isn't as complete as Lebrons and Durants

ManRam
02-20-2011, 02:47 PM
Melo is being way too overrated here. He's not nearly as efficient of a scorer as this poll suggests.

Raph12
02-20-2011, 03:33 PM
That's not true. And I don't care about them going head to head. That's a stupid way to compare anything. LeBron gets stopped far less often than Melo, if you don't believe me, here is just a couple things from this year:

LeBron has 2 games under 15 points, none under 10.
Melo has 8 games under 15 points and two under 10.

LeBron has 11 games under 40% from the field.
Melo has 18 games under 40% from the field.

LeBron has 8 between 40% and 45%
Melo has 11 between 40% and 45%

LeBron has 24 over 50%
Melo has 18 over 50%

So honestly, in what way is Melo harder to stop?

Why would you compare this season, anyone can tell that Melo is playing without any passion and just going through the motions; in comparison, Lebron is playing with a chip on his shoulders and two bonafide superstars who could take pressure off him... Let's compare their best scoring seasons:

'10 Lebron had 5 games under 15pts
'08 Melo had 5 games under 15pts

'10 Lebron had 9 games under 40% shooting
'08 Melo had 13 games under 40% shooting

'10 Lebron had 14 games between 40% and 45% shooting
'08 Melo had 13 games between 40% and 45% shooting

'10 Lebron had 38 games over 50% shooting
'08 Melo had 40 games over 50% shooting

Now throw-in the fact that Lebron (9.4FTAper36) got to the line more than Melo (7.6FTAper36) and had the ball in his hands much more than Melo did and any idiot can tell that Melo was more unstoppable than Lebron at both their bests.

BrahCake954
02-20-2011, 08:37 PM
why is carmelo leading the polls.. durant and bron are better scorers.. at rim and fewer than 10 feet lebron and durant are amongst the best for swingmen.. melo is not even close.. mid range its abt even and bron shoots a higher 3pt pct than melo.. this thread is very flawed

i guess the majority of the ppl on here just listen to the brainwashing on sportscenter or analysts that say melo is the best scorer without any fact or stat..

IBleedPurple
02-21-2011, 12:28 AM
I'd go
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Melo

LA_Raiders
02-21-2011, 12:32 AM
Black Mamba is a Killer

hgtiger32
02-21-2011, 12:53 AM
i voted for all except amare and rose

HallofFameKidd
02-21-2011, 01:12 AM
Melo

Teeboy1487
02-21-2011, 01:19 AM
I got Melo with Durant a close second.

Chronz
02-21-2011, 03:39 AM
So does pure scorer mean the guy who hurts his teams offense the worst?

kyubi256
02-21-2011, 03:47 AM
I'd have to say Kevin Durant. He is just deadly... Very lethal scorer.

And Roy is up there if he could resist injury

Legitimate
02-21-2011, 03:55 AM
no monta ellis? wow, its a shame how much disrespect he gets on this site. My vote woulda been monta had he been on the list.

shep33
02-21-2011, 04:07 AM
I'm a Laker fan... and I'm going with Melo or KD, flip a coin.

Jeff559
02-21-2011, 04:15 AM
Monta all the way!

DaBUU
02-21-2011, 12:33 PM
Melo or Durant

Create
02-21-2011, 12:44 PM
Melo.

KingPosey
02-21-2011, 12:51 PM
Lol, stats. Players crowd melo in mid range waaay more than they do to Lebron. Melo takes much harder mid range shots, which is why his percent is lower.

I agree. LBJ probably take 3 or 4 midrange shots a game at most, and they are usually uncontested.

Melo has really shown how capable a scorer he is the last 2 months in the midst of the circus act goin on. I think its Melo and Durant for pure volume scoring with a full offensive game. But I like how smooth Wade scores the ball. He is pure silk at times.

But I do like how everyone was ******** on Melo's game, and repeatedly saying he only scores because he jacks up shots. lol the PSD bandwagon is always full.

Chronz
02-21-2011, 02:26 PM
LOL since when is having to rely on contested jumpers to score a sign of a good scorer?

tredigs
02-21-2011, 02:30 PM
People still think Melo is a better scorer than KD. REALLY?

I guess it will take KD a few more scoring titles with wildly solid efficiency to usurp that throne from 'Melo.

td0tsfinest
02-21-2011, 02:36 PM
What's with the multiple choice poll?

BUCSFORLIFE123
02-21-2011, 02:39 PM
easily either melo or durant, but im leaning more towards durant by how badly hes running away with the scoring title. both players can drive, have the mid-range , and shoot 3 balls all at the same time easily .

DwayneMVPwade
02-21-2011, 02:49 PM
Melo than Durant

TheDiggler
02-21-2011, 02:51 PM
Kobe. Remember a Lakers-Toronto game some time ago ? ;)

NORMeaga
02-21-2011, 02:53 PM
Kobe...imo

NORMeaga
02-21-2011, 02:54 PM
Kobe. Remember a Lakers-Toronto game some time ago ? ;)

yo thats an ill jazz fitted...

avrpatsfan
02-21-2011, 02:54 PM
Durant

meloman1592
02-21-2011, 02:59 PM
People still think Melo is a better scorer than KD. REALLY?

I guess it will take KD a few more scoring titles with wildly solid efficiency to usurp that throne from 'Melo.

Kd shot is unguardable and yes he does lead the league in scoring but when you think about the term "offensive arsenal" its clear that melo has it over everyone. His array of moves combined with strength and shooting ability is 2nd to none. Kd doesnt have a lot of moves or strength but being 6-10 with unilimited rAnge is nothing to be ashamed of. But i would actually put kobe 2nd then durant.

coryd238
02-21-2011, 03:30 PM
Lol at people comparing defensive pressure on Melo to Lebron's. They're really going to double Bron when he has 2 other all stars on the court with him. OK guys :facepalm:

Kashmir13579
02-21-2011, 03:57 PM
Carmelo Anthony has never finished in the top 4 in total points scored on any given season, and he has a career TS% of .544...but he's the best "pure scorer" in the NBA. Okay PSD...good to know.

His efficiency is slightly above mediocre and he isn't even top 5 in ppg, or total points this season either. This poll is absurd.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html


lmao man, don't try to use facts in your argument. :laugh:


i agree with you btw, and anyone who knows anything in the slightest about advanced statistics agrees with you as well.

Kashmir13579
02-21-2011, 03:58 PM
LOL. melo leading the poll with 76 votes.

are u kidding me?

HuRRiCaNeS324
02-21-2011, 04:06 PM
Bulls_fan90, chitown815, Furymaker, Jap_Steak, JordansBulls, Knicks21, Phelps89, RIPSweetness34, Shahrose, six, Storch


:pity:

king4day
02-21-2011, 04:58 PM
I had a tough time deciding between Melo and LeBron, so I just picked Amar'e instead :)

johnnychan
02-21-2011, 05:01 PM
Durant, 6'10" and can shoot from anywhere. Scary.

coryd238
02-21-2011, 05:03 PM
Durant, 6'10" and can shoot from anywhere. Scary.

The only problem I have with Durant is that he doesn't use his height as well as he could. I realize being 6'10 you can shoot over just about anybody, but if he put on 10 lbs of muscle he could get dangerous in the post since he has a solid 2 inches over the other top SF's.

ChiSox219
02-21-2011, 05:10 PM
1. Durant
2. Lebron

xxcubs22xx
02-21-2011, 05:22 PM
Melo
Durant
Lebron

I don't think there's much of a contest. The best pure scorer is the player who has the most diverse scoring repertoire. It easily goes to Melo.

TO to the CHI
02-21-2011, 05:32 PM
:laugh2: I can't believe Melo is winning when LeBron is basically better than or just as good as him at literally every offensive facet in the NBA.

At the rim:
55.3
70.1
LeBron wins

<10 Feet:
32.8
42.1
LeBron Wins

10-15 feet:
38.1
38.5
Even

15-23 feet:
42
40
Melo Wins

3 Pointers:
51.8EFG%
52.4EFG%
Even

This is a good post. I really think that a lot of this is backlash against the Heat and James. People are able to give caveats like "James is the better player, but Melo is a better scorer" to justify their comments but it is pretty baseless. I am on the record as not liking James or the Heat and I want them to go out in the first round every year. However, in my mind James is the best player on the planet, and is unquestionably a better scorer than Melo.

WickedBadMan
02-21-2011, 05:36 PM
Melo stands around and needs the ball to be fed to him. Lebron can pretty much do w/e he wants.

naztrack
02-21-2011, 05:36 PM
not even close KOBEEEEEEEEEEE

Minimal
02-21-2011, 05:43 PM
LMAO Melo leading the poll?
LeBron and Durant are better pure scorers than him.

MrfadeawayJB
02-21-2011, 06:42 PM
I would say Melo over durant simply because Melo has no offensive weakness. Durant is great as well, but he seems to shoot in volume.

Bruno
02-21-2011, 07:36 PM
lmao man, don't try to use facts in your argument. :laugh:


i agree with you btw, and anyone who knows anything in the slightest about advanced statistics agrees with you as well.

:laugh2:

It's just funny how so many people can be so certain in opinion without even consulting the stat sheet. Especially in regards to something as simple as "Best pure scorer" something that TS%, total points, and ppg help us guage w/ ease.

The answer is Durant, I'm glad he's caught up with Melo in this poll.

Bruno
02-21-2011, 07:37 PM
I would say Melo over durant simply because Melo has no offensive weakness. Durant is great as well, but he seems to shoot in volume.

Melo averages one less FGA per game than Durant.

nycericanguy
02-21-2011, 08:12 PM
Melo because he has a post game, Lebron's post game is not too good, otherwise with his size and strength he'd be unstoppable.

cwilson21
02-21-2011, 08:19 PM
MeLol

Cano4prez
02-21-2011, 08:22 PM
Melo because he has a post game, Lebron's post game is not too good, otherwise with his size and strength he'd be unstoppable.


This season, James has scored points on exactly 50 percent of his 56 post-up plays that resulted in a shot attempt or foul, according to Synergy Sports. Last season, that number was 58 percent. In fact, no player in the league with a minimum of 100 shot attempts in the post generated a higher point of possession on post plays than James did in 2009-10. Bosh ranked second, with Dirk Nowitzki, Zach Randolph and Tim Duncan rounding out the Top 5

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/3950/lebron-james-mans-his-post

Yankeefan213
02-21-2011, 08:38 PM
Durant

tcav701
02-21-2011, 08:45 PM
The fanboys on this site are repulsive.

Bruno
02-21-2011, 08:47 PM
Is there any way of seeing who has voted for who on the poll after you place your vote? That information is available before you vote- but not after it seems.

tcav701
02-21-2011, 08:52 PM
Is there any way of seeing who has voted for who on the poll after you place your vote? That information is available before you vote- but not after it seems.

click on the vote total and they will show

HuRRiCaNeS324
02-21-2011, 09:03 PM
Lebron is not a PURE scorer. He relies on his strength and athleticism too much to be considered a pure scorer. He prolly gets like 15 points a game by just running as hard and as fast as he can to the rim.

Durant is by far the purest scorer in the NBA with Melo right behind him. Then its Kobe and then Wade.

SteBO
02-21-2011, 09:06 PM
Melo is a much better scorer than Durant. He can, post up, shoot the 3, shoot mid-range, drive the ball, and get to the free throw line. His has no limits on the offensive side of the floor.

Bruno
02-21-2011, 09:14 PM
Melo is a much better scorer than Durant. He can, post up, shoot the 3, shoot mid-range, drive the ball, and get to the free throw line. His has no limits on the offensive side of the floor.

Quality over quantity. How many things he can do on offensse should be secondary to how well he does them. KD edges him in that, and so do several other players.

Bruno
02-21-2011, 09:15 PM
click on the vote total and they will show

Thanks.

SteBO
02-21-2011, 09:17 PM
Quality over quantity. How many things he can do on offensse should be secondary to how well he does them. KD edges him in that, and so do several other players.
The only thing he doesn't do well consistently is shoot the three. :shrug: He's definitely a slightly better scorer than Durant.

Bruno
02-21-2011, 09:20 PM
The only thing he doesn't do well consistently is shoot the three. :shrug: He's definitely a slightly better scorer than Durant.

I'm not saying Melo doesn't score well on a regular basis.

Durant leads him in FG%, TS%, PPG, and total points. How can Melo be the better scorer when KD edges him in all of these by a considerable margin?

SteBO
02-21-2011, 09:24 PM
I'm not saying Melo doesn't score well on a regular basis.

Durant leads him in FG%, TS%, PPG, and total points. How can Melo be the better scorer when KD edges him in all of these by a considerable margin?
You got me there.

Bruno
02-22-2011, 12:16 AM
You got me there.

I think it's fair to say that Melo has a better post up game, and perhaps better versatility. But KD is more efficient/proficient in the majority of aspects, offensively.