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xabial
02-19-2011, 04:49 PM
Just thought this deserved its own thread since its a significant Update on the Carmelo situation. The Nets owner already said several times there was no meeting with Carmelo scheduled.


Carmelo Anthony is informing those close to him that he will not sign a contract extension if he is traded to the Nets, according to a person aware of Anthony’s preference.

The decision is not surprising, considering the Knicks have long been Anthony’s desired destination. It could also prove meaningless if the Denver Nuggets bypass Anthony’s desire and trade him to the Nets anyway. he would then be confronted with the same choice: sign a three-year, $65 million contract extension or risk losing millions in a re-engineered labor agreement.

But the Nets are unlikely to agree to trade for Anthony without the assurance that he would sign an extension. On Saturday, a spokeswoman for Mikhail D. Prokhorov, the Nets’ majority owner, said that he had no plans to meet with Anthony while in Los Angeles for the All-Star Game, according to The Associated Press.

“Mikhail has not met with and has no plans to meet with Carmelo Anthony,” the spokeswoman, Ellen Pinchuk, said in the statement.

The Nuggets offered Anthony the extension over the summer when news of his discontent began to percolate. The league’s trade deadline is Thursday, and Anthony said he hoped to reach a resolution by the end of All-Star weekend on Sunday.

“Throughout this whole situation, the only thing I can control is signing that extension with the Denver Nuggets,” Anthony said on Friday. “As far as anything else, I can’t control that.”

The Record of North Jersey reported Friday that the Nets and the Nuggets had agreed on a deal, pending Anthony’s agreement on an extension. In the deal, the Nets would acquire Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Melvin Ely and Renaldo Balkman in a package built around Derrick Favors, Devin Harris and four first-round draft picks.

At the very least, the Nets have probably raised the costs of what the Knicks were willing to trade for Anthony. A Knicks official confirmed that James L. Dolan, the Madison Square Garden chairman, met with Anthony here Thursday night. The meeting was first reported by The Daily News.

According to a team executive involved in the talks, the Knicks increased their offer to the Nuggets on Friday. The proposed package included Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton and Wilson Chandler, in addition to Eddy Curry’s expiring contract and possibly a first-round draft pick, for Anthony and Billups.



Source- http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/19/anthony-draws-the-line-with-nets/

It looks like Anthony's Knick Bound

SteBO
02-19-2011, 04:53 PM
Just thought this deserved its own thread since its a significant Update on the Carmelo situation. The Nets owner already said several times there was no meeting with Carmelo scheduled.


Carmelo Anthony is informing those close to him that he will not sign a contract extension if he is traded to the Nets, according to a person aware of Anthony’s preference.

The decision is not surprising, considering the Knicks have long been Anthony’s desired destination. It could also prove meaningless if the Denver Nuggets bypass Anthony’s desire and trade him to the Nets anyway. he would then be confronted with the same choice: sign a three-year, $65 million contract extension or risk losing millions in a re-engineered labor agreement.

But the Nets are unlikely to agree to trade for Anthony without the assurance that he would sign an extension. On Saturday, a spokeswoman for Mikhail D. Prokhorov, the Nets’ majority owner, said that he had no plans to meet with Anthony while in Los Angeles for the All-Star Game, according to The Associated Press.

“Mikhail has not met with and has no plans to meet with Carmelo Anthony,” the spokeswoman, Ellen Pinchuk, said in the statement.

The Nuggets offered Anthony the extension over the summer when news of his discontent began to percolate. The league’s trade deadline is Thursday, and Anthony said he hoped to reach a resolution by the end of All-Star weekend on Sunday.

“Throughout this whole situation, the only thing I can control is signing that extension with the Denver Nuggets,” Anthony said on Friday. “As far as anything else, I can’t control that.”

The Record of North Jersey reported Friday that the Nets and the Nuggets had agreed on a deal, pending Anthony’s agreement on an extension. In the deal, the Nets would acquire Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Melvin Ely and Renaldo Balkman in a package built around Derrick Favors, Devin Harris and four first-round draft picks.

At the very least, the Nets have probably raised the costs of what the Knicks were willing to trade for Anthony. A Knicks official confirmed that James L. Dolan, the Madison Square Garden chairman, met with Anthony here Thursday night. The meeting was first reported by The Daily News.

According to a team executive involved in the talks, the Knicks increased their offer to the Nuggets on Friday. The proposed package included Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton and Wilson Chandler, in addition to Eddy Curry’s expiring contract and possibly a first-round draft pick, for Anthony and Billups.



Source- http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/19/anthony-draws-the-line-with-nets/

It looks like Anthony's Knick Bound
We already knew this :shrug:

still1ballin
02-19-2011, 05:00 PM
lulz!!!! the saga continues

bullcubbear23
02-19-2011, 05:10 PM
just get it done already so this nonsense comes to an end.

KnicksR4Real
02-19-2011, 05:13 PM
now that this has happened can the knicks change their deal to jip the nuggets. remove gallo

colinskik
02-19-2011, 05:14 PM
The NBA is going to be so damn boring once this is all resolved.

numba1CHANGsta
02-19-2011, 05:18 PM
Okay now that Melo doesn't want to be a Net, the Knicks can now backoff their deal and wait til the offseason to sign him without giving up any of their young talent!

smith&wesson
02-19-2011, 05:22 PM
the guy wants to play in new york. denver should just accept the trade and move on. they are being very greedy. they are lucky the knicks are offering them soo much talent. in this trade the nuggets get younger and add lots of talent to theyre squad. its ALOT better then losing him for nothing which is what will happen if they dont do the trade.

felton = very good point gaurd.

gallinari = lots of potential, young talent. great shooter.

chander = freakishly athletic, young, lots of promice

plus the first round pick and eddy curry's expiring ?

you have to be ******** to not accept that for melo and old *** billups.

whitemamba33
02-19-2011, 05:34 PM
If Carmelo WASN'T a superstar diva, he would have said a LONG time ago that he would only consider being traded to the Knicks and that he didnt want to play for the Nets. But instead he lets the Nuggets go on and on with negotiations with the Nets for no reason, just so that he can get his name in the news.

Am I expected to still respect this guy?

Avenged
02-19-2011, 05:36 PM
Lakers out of nowhere for the steal! :win:

kjoke
02-19-2011, 05:37 PM
Lakers out of nowhere for the steal! :win:

too bad the lakers can counter an offer of James Jones and Mario Chalmers

Carmelo wants to be the Heat's 6th man everyone knows that

BradytoGronkTD
02-19-2011, 05:39 PM
Nuggets must be pretty mad. They would have gotten so much from the nets

Young and Stupid
02-19-2011, 05:39 PM
If Carmelo WASN'T a superstar diva, he would have said a LONG time ago that he would only consider being traded to the Knicks and that he didnt want to play for the Nets. But instead he lets the Nuggets go on and on with negotiations with the Nets for no reason, just so that he can get his name in the news.

Am I expected to still respect this guy?

To be honest, that's bull****. If he had said that then people would have argued that Melo is selfish because he's effectively killing the Nuggets' leverage and trying to have the Knicks give up as little as possible.

People are gonna ***** either way, it's just the nature of things. Carmelo has done nothing wrong in this whole ordeal.

xabial
02-19-2011, 05:46 PM
DAILY NEWS: Nets Owner Mikhail Prokhorov says he has no plans to meet with Nuggets star Carmelo Anthony


Mikhail Prokhorov has not met with Carmelo Anthony and doesn't plan to.

But plans change.

In an email released Saturday afternoon by his spokesperson, Ellen Pinchuk, Prokhorov reiterated what he's been saying publicly since last month.

Just to update you, Mikhail has not met with and has no plans to meet with Carmelo Anthony. He is looking forward to enjoying All Star Weekend.

"We will have nothing else to add on this..."

Prokhorov flew into Los Angeles early Saturday and met a Nets contingent including minority owner Jay-Z and GM Billy King. Late Thursday, the Nets had finally reached an agreement on a nine-player deal with the Nuggets that would have brought Anthony to New Jersey.

The Nets had hoped to meet with Anthony to entice him to sign a three-year, $65 million extension. But two days after Knicks owner Jim Dolan met with Anthony to sell his commitment to the All-Star, Prokhorov tried to diffuse multiple reports that the Nets would finally sit down with the All-Star.

However, the wording of the statement is important: It didn't say Prokhorov "wouldn't" meet with Anthony, just that there were no plans.

Prokhorov also said in a press conference last month that he canceled negotations with Denver and they would not be resuscitated. That was before the Nets and Nuggets reached an agreement on a nine-player trade, as first reported by the Record on Friday.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2011/02/19/2011-02-19_nets_owner_mikhail_prokhorov_says_he_has_not_me t_with_nuggets_star_carmelo_antho.html

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 05:48 PM
Nuggets must be pretty mad. They would have gotten so much from the nets

If I was the Nuggets, I wouldnt trade him at all. If he's going to be a punk, let it cost him whatever millions it is.

TheDiggler
02-19-2011, 05:50 PM
Okay now that Melo doesn't want to be a Net, the Knicks can now backoff their deal and wait til the offseason to sign him without giving up any of their young talent!

Agree. I have no clue Why the Knicks should Trade so much Talent now. Better have stoud and melo plus Chandler felton and Gallo, than just stoud melo and the buyout Chauncey.

Wait for the Summer NY ! Melo Def Wants to Be a Knick ...

mjqusoldier
02-19-2011, 05:52 PM
must suck to be the Nets lol

AddiX
02-19-2011, 05:55 PM
Agree. I have no clue Why the Knicks should Trade so much Talent now. Better have stoud and melo plus Chandler felton and Gallo, than just stoud melo and the buyout Chauncey.

Wait for the Summer NY ! Melo Def Wants to Be a Knick ...

If they thought Melo was actually willing to do that and leave money on the table we wouldn't even be in trade discussions.

I don't know why so many people here think that's an actual option. Melo wants his extension and the Knicks.

The Jokemaker
02-19-2011, 05:59 PM
If they thought Melo was actually willing to do that and leave money on the table we wouldn't even be in trade discussions.

I don't know why so many people here think that's an actual option. Melo wants his extension and the Knicks.

Exactly, if he doesn't get traded he could very well sign that extension with Denver and that'd be that. Then fans would be ripping Walsh and company for not making a trade.

IrespectNumber3
02-19-2011, 06:00 PM
You guys think because Melo says he won't meet with the Nets that he won't go there? The Nets can still get him without a Verbal commitment to sign you wanna know why?

Because once Carmelo gets traded, if he doesnt take the 3yr/65mill deal to sign with the Nets

Hes going to lose about 30-40 million dollars if he decides to wait until free agency to sign with the Knicks...Nobody is that stupid.

Its not like the big 3 taking 10-20mill less over the course of 6 years...its 30-40 mill lets in a matter of 3 years!!

So unless Melo is really really that stupid its not up to him anymore

Denva4Life
02-19-2011, 06:01 PM
If I was the Nuggets, I wouldnt trade him at all. If he's going to be a punk, let it cost him whatever millions it is.

exactly .... this league has just come up with snobby selfish crybabys for nba players.

LA_Raiders
02-19-2011, 06:02 PM
Wow, what a selfish prick... He just screwed up Denver more...

IrespectNumber3
02-19-2011, 06:03 PM
The thing is ...anyteam Carmelo is with after the trade deadline has ALLL of the leverage...Carmelo messed up by agreeing to stay an extra year

$ NyC $
02-19-2011, 06:05 PM
I hope he gets traded to the Nets, so that he just plays through the rest of the season and we just sign him during the off-season :D

xabial
02-19-2011, 06:06 PM
If I was the Nuggets, I wouldnt trade him at all. If he's going to be a punk, let it cost him whatever millions it is.

Too risky, and lets not forget NBA is a business just like its entertainment. That would be the stupidest move on the Nuggets part because if theres even a small chance Melo leaves them via Free Agency, there would be no reason for Nene to resign, and he would probaly leave via FA too. You could try to keep him to win it all and entice him, and persuade him that the CBA is expiring.
But thats Not worth the gamble, a annual 60-win Cavs Team took that chance, and kept Lebron to try to win it all and look what happened. Every year their franchise is losing record losses, and losing Tens of millions of dollars in franchise value.

Glad your not owner lol.

Wade>You
02-19-2011, 06:07 PM
If you're the Nuggets, you send a message to him and other superstars by not trading him.

And by buying out Chauncey Billups. :whistle:

Kashmir13579
02-19-2011, 06:09 PM
no Gallo

Kashmir13579
02-19-2011, 06:10 PM
If you're the Nuggets, you send a message to him and other superstars by not trading him.

And by buying out Chauncey Billups. :whistle:

they would be doing the Knicks a huge favor.

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:10 PM
Too risky, and lets not forget NBA is a business just like its entertainment. That would be the stupidest move on the Nuggets part because if theres even a small chance Melo leaves them via Free Agency, there would be no reason for Nene to resign, and he would probaly leave via FA too. You could try to keep him to win it all and entice him, and persuade him that the CBA is expiring.
But thats Not worth the gamble, a annual 60-win Cavs Team took that chance, and kept Lebron to try to win it all and look what happened.

Glad your not owner lol.

It wouldnt be the stupidest move. All the Nuggets have to do is announce that theyre no longer trading Carmelo and suddenly one of two things happen. Either Carmelo realizes he's going to lose a lot of money or the Knicks realize they might lose Carmelo. In addition to that, Carmelo probably will realize how miserable the rest of the season will be.

The Nets draft picks would be nice but its not like theyre likely going to be really high picks.

Again, if Im the Nuggets, Im not going to let Anthony pick who he gets traded to and who he gets traded for. If he wants to try, Ill just let it cost him.

Kashmir13579
02-19-2011, 06:11 PM
Wow, what a selfish prick... He just screwed up Denver more...

he wants Gallo and Fields to be in NY when he gets there. he wants to win. God bless him. (if your a Knick fan)

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:14 PM
they would be doing the Knicks a huge favor.

Not necessarily. A lot of people have probably been taking it for granted that Denver will trade him. When Anthony realizes how much he'd be losing if they don't, it could be up in the air.

The Knicks are stupid for playing games. If Anthony does decide to take the 30-40 million by staying in Denver, theyll look really foolish. None of the guys Denver wants is irreplaceable.

Wade>You
02-19-2011, 06:17 PM
they would be doing the Knicks a huge favor.Yes, but shouldn't the cost of Free Agency should be about money? More power to the Knicks if they improve, but the player sacrifices a lot of money, and that goes against their self-interest.

By the way, the 11-12 Knicks' cap would be set at $42mil (per Hoopshype), leaving them with $7mil of cap space. That's a huge sacrifice for Carmelo and he'd have to wait till the third year to get his Bird rights with NY.

NYSpirit1
02-19-2011, 06:18 PM
Alan Hahn, New York Daily News reporter, tweeted the news today.

To his credit, he was the first reporter on all of the web to report LeBron was signing with the Heat, the day before the Decision.

http://twitter.com/alanhahn


Denver/Knicks continued dialogue into today with other scenarios. Sources said this is headed to finish line. Still up to Denver to close it
3 hours ago


If Knicks can somehow keep Gallinari in this deal, as NBAtv says DEN prefers Mozgov/Fields instead, that would be amazing.


Second source today reiterated Carmelo will NOT sign an extension with the Nets. Melo won't go there publicly to avoid disrespecting Nets.


Amar'e on teaming up with Carmelo, sharing Broadway marquee: "There's a lot of room in New York for another King."

This entire thing is starting to make sense. Melo hasn't publicly said he doesn't want to go to the Nets because he doesn't want to disrespect them and he doesn't want to end up as another LeBron, being booed in every arena.

Felton, Chandler, Fields, Mozgov, Curry and a 1st for Melo and Billups would be great for the Knicks.

AlvaROD
02-19-2011, 06:20 PM
This **** is annoying.

AlvaROD
02-19-2011, 06:22 PM
:bla:

Frrrrank!!!
02-19-2011, 06:23 PM
Whatever he does, just get over with it.

SteBO
02-19-2011, 06:24 PM
:pray: Please be over

effen5
02-19-2011, 06:25 PM
:yawn:

bball is all
02-19-2011, 06:27 PM
Who is JayZ anyway? And what does it mean to be "punked in the cornhole"?

If "sources close to Melo" say he won't sign for the Nets, then why did Dolan increase his offer? Why didn't he just call the Denver bluff? I mean are those sources top secret? And does this have anything to do with the "cornhole"?

I'm confused. It all sounds bogus. Especially the sources close to Melo.

Wade>You
02-19-2011, 06:27 PM
Second source today reiterated Carmelo will NOT sign an extension with the Nets. Melo won't go there publicly to avoid disrespecting Nets. Irony.

Jazz Bear
02-19-2011, 06:27 PM
:bla::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn: Is the Carmelo ordeal over yet?

The Raven
02-19-2011, 06:27 PM
The sooner this is over, the better

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:27 PM
If Carmelo WASN'T a superstar diva, he would have said a LONG time ago that he would only consider being traded to the Knicks and that he didnt want to play for the Nets. But instead he lets the Nuggets go on and on with negotiations with the Nets for no reason, just so that he can get his name in the news.

Am I expected to still respect this guy?

Hahaha

It is so incredible that Denver floats yet ANOTHER phoney story about this, this time by Ken something or other of the "Newark Star Ledger", and then within like 24 hours time people are acting like it's fact, not fiction.

Look... Prokhorov just spelled it out for you--no plans to meet with Carmelo.
Carmelo has spelled it out--never going to sign in New Jersey.

I am quite sure, that neither of these guys has said ANYTHING DIFFERENT in the last two weeks.

So, I don't know what the anonymous source of the star ledger is, or who in Denver imagines they have a deal in place for Carmelo to New Jersey... but yesterday's Carmelo to New Jersey deal in place story is a ridiculous non-story.

I've said it before, David Stern should at some point sanction Denver. NBA teams can't be allowed to just blatantly lie to the media like this.

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:28 PM
Alan Hahn, New York Daily News reporter, tweeted the news today.

To his credit, he was the first reporter on all of the web to report LeBron was signing with the Heat, the day before the Decision.

http://twitter.com/alanhahn









This entire thing is starting to make sense. Melo hasn't publicly said he doesn't want to go to the Nets because he doesn't want to disrespect them and he doesn't want to end up as another LeBron, being booed in every arena.

Felton, Chandler, Fields, Mozgov, Curry and a 1st for Melo and Billups would be great for the Knicks.

Too late for that.

Shawn2timer
02-19-2011, 06:28 PM
If I was the Nuggets, I wouldnt trade him at all. If he's going to be a punk, let it cost him whatever millions it is.

Thank god for the nuggets that your not the gm

HoopsDrive
02-19-2011, 06:29 PM
Irony.

lmao, so true man, so true.

whitemamba33
02-19-2011, 06:29 PM
To be honest, that's bull****. If he had said that then people would have argued that Melo is selfish because he's effectively killing the Nuggets' leverage and trying to have the Knicks give up as little as possible.

People are gonna ***** either way, it's just the nature of things. Carmelo has done nothing wrong in this whole ordeal.

I'm calling bull**** on that.

The situation worked out the same. It all worked out the same. He would have killed leverage if he demanded the Knicks before, and he is killing leverage by demanding the Knicks now. The only thing that HAS changed is that he has wasted a ****load of time, taken the Denver fans along for the ride, and picked up enough media attention to stroke his ego in front of the sports nation.

He wants to try and get as much as attention as Bron did, and he's trying to do it by stringing along gullable fans like you who think that he can do no wrong.

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:30 PM
Hahaha

It is so incredible that Denver floats yet ANOTHER phoney story about this, this time by Ken something or other of the "Newark Star Ledger", and then within like 24 hours time people are acting like it's fact, not fiction.

Look... Prokhorov just spelled it out for you--no plans to meet with Carmelo.
Carmelo has spelled it out--never going to sign in New Jersey.

I am quite sure, that neither of these guys has said ANYTHING DIFFERENT in the last two weeks.

So, I don't know what the anonymous source of the star ledger is, or who in Denver imagines they have a deal in place for Carmelo to New Jersey... but yesterday's Carmelo to New Jersey deal in place story is a ridiculous non-story.

I've said it before, David Stern should at some point sanction Denver. NBA teams can't be allowed to just blatantly lie to the media like this.

Do you mean like how the Cavs are lying to Marc Steing about there being all these suitors for Anthony Parker?

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:31 PM
Not necessarily. A lot of people have probably been taking it for granted that Denver will trade him. When Anthony realizes how much he'd be losing if they don't, it could be up in the air.

The Knicks are stupid for playing games. If Anthony does decide to take the 30-40 million by staying in Denver, theyll look really foolish. None of the guys Denver wants is irreplaceable.

obviously, NY can afford to "play games" because Anthony's representatives have explained the situation to them, that he will sign in NY no matter what. Otherwise, there would be a sick bidding war going on.

The Lakers are the only team who MIGHT (remember, that was just a rumor also) be able to steal the knicks deal away.

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:31 PM
Thank god for the nuggets that your not the gm

If a NY fan is saying this, that means it would probably be good for the Nuggets if they did what I said.

whitemamba33
02-19-2011, 06:31 PM
Hahaha

It is so incredible that Denver floats yet ANOTHER phoney story about this, this time by Ken something or other of the "Newark Star Ledger", and then within like 24 hours time people are acting like it's fact, not fiction.

Look... Prokhorov just spelled it out for you--no plans to meet with Carmelo.
Carmelo has spelled it out--never going to sign in New Jersey.

I am quite sure, that neither of these guys has said ANYTHING DIFFERENT in the last two weeks.

So, I don't know what the anonymous source of the star ledger is, or who in Denver imagines they have a deal in place for Carmelo to New Jersey... but yesterday's Carmelo to New Jersey deal in place story is a ridiculous non-story.

I've said it before, David Stern should at some point sanction Denver. NBA teams can't be allowed to just blatantly lie to the media like this.

If Carmelo didn't want to go to NJ, he should have said so A LONG time ago. There should have never even been discussions.

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:32 PM
Do you mean like how the Cavs are lying to Marc Steing about there being all these suitors for Anthony Parker?

I thought the Cavs owner was quitting and taking a $100 loss now that Lebron left.

the NBA is just not working out in Cleveland with no Lebron

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:32 PM
obviously, NY can afford to "play games" because Anthony's representatives have explained the situation to them, that he will sign in NY no matter what. Otherwise, there would be a sick bidding war going on.

The Lakers are the only team who MIGHT (remember, that was just a rumor also) be able to steal the knicks deal away.

Like I said before. Everyone has been assuming the Nuggets would trade him. What if they don't?

whitemamba33
02-19-2011, 06:34 PM
I used to like Carmelo to. But this situation is just nasty.

whitemamba33
02-19-2011, 06:34 PM
Like I said before. Everyone has been assuming the Nuggets would trade him. What if they don't?

Then they lose him in free agency and get nothing for him.

Bronxbomber257
02-19-2011, 06:36 PM
Now that he has made it public that he does not want to sign an extension with the Nets, do you guys really want to send all of those players to Denver when we could just sign Melo in the offseason?

Sactown
02-19-2011, 06:37 PM
**** Melo.. and NY

NYK_kidd77
02-19-2011, 06:37 PM
To think this will still go on for a couple more days. Almost over! So sick of the Melodrama.

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:38 PM
Do you mean like how the Cavs are lying to Marc Steing about there being all these suitors for Anthony Parker?

And anyways... it is quite a lot different. Teams can surely use a bit of misdirection, or exaggerate that there is interest in a player.

However, it is quite unusual, especially in a situation of this magnitude, when stories, apparently sourced to Denver Nuggets officials, keep surfacing every day for 3 months right up to the trade deadline, saying that "deals are in place" or "meeting is scheduled" when everybody involved is saying "what, we didn't know anythign about that or "NO it's not" or "No, it's never going to happen."

I mean even the small story about Prokhorov meeting with Anthony at the All Star game, which popped up in PBT or whatever, was apparently a complete joke as well.

it's just astonishing. actually I won't believe any Carmelo story from here on out (for god's sake, especially not "anonymous sources") even it is in the NY Times or Wall Street Journal, unless they have 1. Carmelo or 2. the Knicks on the record.

make it stop

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:38 PM
Then they lose him in free agency and get nothing for him.

Thats true. And if he doesnt sign the extension to go to NJ, he loses 30-40 million...maybe more.

It may seem like it would be cutting off your nose to spite your face, but there's a bigger principle. Anthony is trying to pick where he is traded to and who he is traded for. I say that because in a recent interview he was *****ing about going to a team that had nothing on the roster. So, let him squander millions if he's going to play games like this.

The Nuggets have been awful and rebuilt before. Maybe this time they can draft someone who isnt such a diva.

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:41 PM
also I like how Carmelo keeps holding out the carrot for Denver--like he MIGHT still sign the extension in Denver.

painting himself as the good guy, tormenting Denver, and letting the tradeline time run out

hey, I guess if you want to play games with someone, maybe a pro basketball player is not who you want to play against... maybe...?

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:42 PM
Thats true. And if he doesnt sign the extension to go to NJ, he loses 30-40 million...maybe more.

30-40 million? are you kidding me?

he might actually be able to sign for MORE.

You think they're gonna reduce the max contract to 7 million a year? no way

Carmelo is rich and will get richer, that is a done deal. Anybody who thinks he
HAS to sign in Denver in New Jersey just doesn't get it at all

kjoke
02-19-2011, 06:43 PM
keeping gallo would be great for knicks. but getting rid of mozgov is an ehh for me, nevertheless DO IT so it can be over

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:44 PM
also I like how Carmelo keeps holding out the carrot for Denver--like he MIGHT still sign the extension in Denver.

painting himself as the good guy, tormenting Denver, and letting the tradeline time run out

hey, I guess if you want to play games with someone, maybe a pro basketball player is not who you want to play against... maybe...?

Well if Anthony causes the trade deadline to expire, as you say, he costs himself.

Bluffmasta
02-19-2011, 06:44 PM
what if their is a lockout ? what if anthony cant get all that money he wants, be better smarten up and just sign an extension witha team otherwise he is taking a huge risk.

giants9689
02-19-2011, 06:45 PM
who plays shooting guard if fields is traded?

The Jokemaker
02-19-2011, 06:45 PM
You make the deal now and make SURE he is a Knick. You don't risk it and wait til the offseason, that's foolish.

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:45 PM
30-40 million? are you kidding me?

he might actually be able to sign for MORE.

You think they're gonna reduce the max contract to 7 million a year? no way

Carmelo is rich and will get richer, that is a done deal. Anybody who thinks he
HAS to sign in Denver in New Jersey just doesn't get it at all

Apparently you havent been paying attention when Stern has said they need to reduce salaries. Also, there is a thread talking about how the less prestigous teams want something done about players like Carmelo. If there's a freeze on player movement due to the CBA, what happens if Denver comes out of the CBA with a franchise tag?

abe_froman
02-19-2011, 06:45 PM
just shoot him already and end this

The Jokemaker
02-19-2011, 06:45 PM
Intersting, so Gallo is worth Mosgov and Fields? I'm curiuos to see the rael final deal instead of constant speculation

Melo15
02-19-2011, 06:46 PM
It's about time

kjoke
02-19-2011, 06:46 PM
HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely but can melo play SG?

shep33
02-19-2011, 06:47 PM
I'd rather trade Gallo then Fields if I were the Knicks, but if Denver wants Gallo... giv'em the Rooster

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:47 PM
And anyways... it is quite a lot different. Teams can surely use a bit of misdirection, or exaggerate that there is interest in a player.

However, it is quite unusual, especially in a situation of this magnitude, when stories, apparently sourced to Denver Nuggets officials, keep surfacing every day for 3 months right up to the trade deadline, saying that "deals are in place" or "meeting is scheduled" when everybody involved is saying "what, we didn't know anythign about that or "NO it's not" or "No, it's never going to happen."

I mean even the small story about Prokhorov meeting with Anthony at the All Star game, which popped up in PBT or whatever, was apparently a complete joke as well.

it's just astonishing. actually I won't believe any Carmelo story from here on out (for god's sake, especially not "anonymous sources") even it is in the NY Times or Wall Street Journal, unless they have 1. Carmelo or 2. the Knicks on the record.

make it stop

No. Its the same thing.

whitemamba33
02-19-2011, 06:47 PM
I just don't see how this gets so complicated.

Owner: Carmelo, do you want to come back to Denver.

Carmelo: No.

Owner: Where would you prefer to be traded

Carmelo: Knicks

Owner: ok.

If a trade happens, great. If a trade doesn't happen, the seasons ends and Carmelo does what he wants.

Instead, it was more like:

Owner: Hey Melo, you want to come back to Denver?

Carmelo: meh...I dunno.

Owner: Well if you don't, can you let us know? Because we'll have to make a trade so that we don't lose you for nothing in free agency.

Carmelo: Umm..I'll play for NJ, NY, and maybe the Lakers.

Owner: Alright, we are close to a deal with New Jersey.

Carmelo: On second thought, I think I want to play for the knicks...

chicago lulz
02-19-2011, 06:48 PM
Why didn't he just say 'no' to the Nets months ago so it wouldn't have to panned out for so long. Holy ****, I'm glad I'm not a Nets fan.

effen5
02-19-2011, 06:48 PM
ANOTHER Melo thread....jesus christ

shep33
02-19-2011, 06:49 PM
HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely but can melo play SG?

I love his game... but I don't think that's the right move.

Storch
02-19-2011, 06:50 PM
This is stressful :sigh:

jim51990
02-19-2011, 06:51 PM
i still dont buy it

$ NyC $
02-19-2011, 06:51 PM
rather keep fields then Gallo in a way.

AddiX
02-19-2011, 06:52 PM
Why didn't he just say 'no' to the Nets months ago so it wouldn't have to panned out for so long. Holy ****, I'm glad I'm not a Nets fan.

He did say that, Nuggets and Nets just wouldn't listen to him.

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:52 PM
Apparently you havent been paying attention when Stern has said they need to reduce salaries. Also, there is a thread talking about how the less prestigous teams want something done about players like Carmelo. If there's a freeze on player movement due to the CBA, what happens if Denver comes out of the CBA with a franchise tag?

Carmelo becomes an unrestricted free agent July 1st.

That means Denver's rights to him expire on July 1st.

So, no bull**** "franchise tag" or other new rule they sneak in to try and force him to play in a crappy team will do any good.

If they reduce the max salaries... hey go for it. Negotiate it. Take away free agency? Hey, negotiate it. Go for it.

You think max salary will reduce by 75% ? wtf ... NOT gonna happen. Doubt there will be much change at all. If it did it would severely lower the prestige of the league... players lilke Iverson make that much in freakin' weird euro or middle eastern leagues now

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:53 PM
I just don't see how this gets so complicated.

Owner: Carmelo, do you want to come back to Denver.

Carmelo: No.

Owner: Where would you prefer to be traded

Carmelo: Knicks

Owner: ok.

If a trade happens, great. If a trade doesn't happen, the seasons ends and Carmelo does what he wants.

I think that's basically what Carmelo has said like a zillion times. It's Denver that has the thick skull

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:54 PM
Carmelo becomes an unrestricted free agent July 1st.

That means Denver's rights to him expire on July 1st.

So, no bull**** "franchise tag" or other new rule they sneak in to try and force him to play in a crappy team will do any good.

If they reduce the max salaries... hey go for it. Negotiate it. Take away free agency? Hey, negotiate it. Go for it.

You think max salary will reduce by 75% ? wtf ... NOT gonna happen. Doubt there will be much change at all. If it did it would severely lower the prestige of the league... players lilke Iverson make that much in freakin' weird euro or middle eastern leagues now

You're not very smart. And you're longwinded to go along with it. Congratulations.

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:54 PM
again I think it's that type of Cleveland "hurt me more, Lebron, hurt me more" attitude

daleja424
02-19-2011, 06:54 PM
whatever it is... finish it already

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:54 PM
You're not very smart. And you're longwinded to go along with it. Congratulations.

so I guess that means I'm wrong, too, right, by the principle of ad hominem

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:55 PM
*sigh*

Denver's...rights...expire...July 1st...

Carmelo...free...agent...unrestricted...

Albrecht Duerer
02-19-2011, 06:55 PM
so I guess that means I'm wrong, too, right, by the principle of ad hominem

No, it's not wrong because you said it but it is wrong. And to go along with that, you struggle.

sunsfan88
02-19-2011, 06:56 PM
I'm gonna laugh if the Knicks get worse after this trade because

A) They trade away their best defender, Chandler.

B) They acquire Carmelo who can't play any defense at all.

Sure they improved their offense, but defensively they will be the worst in the NBA or close to it. And with defensive powerhouses like Boston, Miami, Orlando, Chiacgo, Atlanta in the East- I don't see how NY will even get out of the 1st rd.

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 06:58 PM
Lol

AddiX
02-19-2011, 07:01 PM
I'm gonna laugh if the Knicks get worse after this trade because

A) They trade away their best defender, Chandler.

B) They acquire Carmelo who can't play any defense at all.

Sure they improved their offense, but defensively they will be the worst in the NBA or close to it. And with defensive powerhouses like Boston, Miami, Orlando, Chiacgo, Atlanta in the East- I don't see how NY will even get out of the 1st rd.

That's funny coming from a PHX fan who's team was pretty dominating and wasn't known for defense.

That and you have a sig of a player who is known as the worst defensive PG in the NBA.

PhillyFaninLA
02-19-2011, 07:02 PM
So twitter is the only place that has this.

I checked 3 other sites, ones that are credible, but twitter say differently.

I say as a community (the PSD community) we agree to only create new topics about Melo that are actual news from credible sites.

I'm waiting for the this person from my high school posted in there facebook status topic.

sunsfan88
02-19-2011, 07:14 PM
That's funny coming from a PHX fan who's team was pretty dominating and wasn't known for defense.

That and you have a sig of a player who is known as the worst defensive PG in the NBA.

We dominated during the D'Antoni era by playing no defense. The NBA has changed since. Defenses are much better. You have to play defense now to "dominate" like you say.

Last year we played defense and that's the only reason we got to the WCFs at least. We were top 10 in the NBA in opponents FG %.

sintaks12
02-19-2011, 07:17 PM
We dominated during the D'Antoni era by playing no defense. The NBA has changed since. Defenses are much better. You have to play defense now to "dominate" like you say.

Last year we played defense and that's the only reason we got to the WCFs at least. We were top 10 in the NBA in opponents FG %.

Huh? The Bad Boys. The Knicks of the 90s. The Bulls of the 90s. The Pacers of the 90s. All defensive juggernauts. Cmon man.

smith&wesson
02-19-2011, 07:18 PM
If I was the Nuggets, I wouldnt trade him at all. If he's going to be a punk, let it cost him whatever millions it is.

and thats gonna make the nuggets better ? :facepalm: good thing your not theyre GM.

melo wants to play for new york its as simple as that. denver is trying to squeez the deal for as much as they can and new york is negotiating. i dont see whats wrong with that. other then the media throwing out storys every day.

the nets obviously have been used as leverage to get the most back in the trade by the nuggets. i dont see how thats melo's fault.

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 07:20 PM
No, it's not wrong because you said it but it is wrong. And to go along with that, you struggle.

it's not my fault Denver played itself... I'm just the messenger

Bornknick73
02-19-2011, 07:20 PM
We already knew this :shrug:

Tell that to the Net and Nugget fans.

How many times does this cat have to say No before people will understand it?

He'll say No again and they will still say hes going to the Nets. This has been ******** from the start. Im already tired of this ****.

Take Chandler Curry Azu and two firsts. If not keep him.

People from Denver will never...

"and The Rock means NEVER!!"....hustle people from NYC. We do the hustlin, we dont get hustled.

We do the pickpocketing, we do the 5 card monte. We steal the hubcaps off your car while you have a 20 min snack in Starbuck's. You cant hustle a hustler.

Now you can keep him. Sign him and keep his ***. After all this Denver frontin I dont even want us to deal with them anymore.

knightstemplar
02-19-2011, 07:22 PM
**** the knicks **** melo just get a ****in deal done damn it

Bornknick73
02-19-2011, 07:28 PM
Denver management has shown what a bunch of rookies they are.

They tried the Nets and Melo said No
They tried the Lakers and Buss shot them down
They tried the Nets again and the man said No again

Just take what you get and keep it moving.

Ill give you half a bag of Funions, some spray cheese, and justin beiber CD for him.

5ass
02-19-2011, 07:29 PM
are the knicks stupid? keep fields trade gallo.. fields is the kind of guy u want on a championship team.. also gallo isnt really suitable for sg (defensively) hes more of a small forward or a stretch PF like rashard lewis but they already would have amare and carmelo at these positions.. i guess he could be a good 6th man but still im not sure.. actually now that i think about it they might need gallo to play PF to stretch the floor and put amare at C so he can basically go one-on-one against the opposing C, makes sense but i would still keep fields.. if they dont plan on playing him at PF for watvr reason then they should trade him

Meatmypet
02-19-2011, 07:35 PM
I'm gonna laugh if the Knicks get worse after this trade because

A) They trade away their best defender, Chandler.

B) They acquire Carmelo who can't play any defense at all.

Sure they improved their offense, but defensively they will be the worst in the NBA or close to it. And with defensive powerhouses like Boston, Miami, Orlando, Chiacgo, Atlanta in the East- I don't see how NY will even get out of the 1st rd.

Ironic. A Suns fan talking about defense.

beasted86
02-19-2011, 07:36 PM
That's funny coming from a PHX fan who's team was pretty dominating and wasn't known for defense.

That and you have a sig of a player who is known as the worst defensive PG in the NBA.

Big difference is that team was average at best defensively, and they had Shawn Marion and Raja Bell in their freaking prime.

It's hard to grasp the thought of this, but the Knicks might actually become a lot worse defensively than before. Gallinari will see a lot more minutes at PF or SG to give him playing time next to Carmelo, which will exploit him... and Carmelo is already pretty bad himself.

A lineup of Carmelo, Gallo, and Amare at the 3/4/5 might be great to watch offensively, but I shudder thinking about them trying to stop anyone.

Meatmypet
02-19-2011, 07:37 PM
We dominated during the D'Antoni era by playing no defense. The NBA has changed since. Defenses are much better. You have to play defense now to "dominate" like you say.

Last year we played defense and that's the only reason we got to the WCFs at least. We were top 10 in the NBA in opponents FG %.

I like how you pull numbers out your butt.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2010.html

23rd of 30.

AddiX
02-19-2011, 07:42 PM
Big difference is that team was average at best defensively, and they had Shawn Marion and Raja Bell in their freaking prime.

It's hard to grasp the thought of this, but the Knicks might actually become a lot worse defensively than before. Gallinari will see a lot more minutes at PF or SG to give him playing time next to Carmelo, which will exploit him... and Carmelo is already pretty bad himself.

A lineup of Carmelo, Gallo, and Amare at the 3/4/5 might be great to watch offensively, but I shudder thinking about them trying to stop anyone.

We won't get worse defensively, I don't even think that's possible.

And as you have already seen with the Heat, Bosh and Wade weren't known as defensive players at all. But you pull these caliber players together, they demand a lot more from each other.

I expect the same thing in NY.

sunsfan88
02-19-2011, 07:44 PM
I like how you pull numbers out your butt.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2010.html

23rd of 30.

ROFL. Are you blind?

In your link itself it says we're 11th in the NBA in opp. FG %. Look where it says team and opponent statisics. Look where it say opp. FG% and then on the bottom it says league rank and says 11th.

MAJOR :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

And my bad we weren't top 10, but we were 11th. Big difference.

Stroke
02-19-2011, 07:47 PM
Lakers out of nowhere for the steal! :win:

Ha that made me chuckle.

beasted86
02-19-2011, 07:52 PM
We won't get worse defensively, I don't even think that's possible.

And as you have already seen with the Heat, Bosh and Wade weren't known as defensive players at all. But you pull these caliber players together, they demand a lot more from each other.

I expect the same thing in NY.

:confused:

Your posting credibility just went :down:

Anyway, back to the topic.... At the end of the day the Heat were already a top 5 defensive team before the summer of 2010. They replaced Michael Beasley with Bosh which is a defensive upgrade no matter how you look at it, and replaced Q-Rich with LeBron which is a defensive upgrade no matter how you look at it.

Jermaine O'Neal had some defensive impact, but not a lot more than what the Heat have now with Dampier, Anthony & Z's size. So as a whole the Heat's defensive roster improved.

The Knicks are taking steps backwards and still has a coach who knows nothing when it comes to defense. He tells all his players to switch on screens. Total idiot.

The Final Boss
02-19-2011, 08:06 PM
Who's Carmelo Anthony?

hugepatsfan
02-19-2011, 08:47 PM
We won't get worse defensively, I don't even think that's possible.

And as you have already seen with the Heat, Bosh and Wade weren't known as defensive players at all. But you pull these caliber players together, they demand a lot more from each other.

I expect the same thing in NY.

You are very wrong. Wade and LBJ are great defensive players. The bolded statement doesn't really apply to NY because they don't have any great defensive players to set that standard.

jimm120
02-19-2011, 08:47 PM
If Carmelo WASN'T a superstar diva, he would have said a LONG time ago that he would only consider being traded to the Knicks and that he didnt want to play for the Nets. But instead he lets the Nuggets go on and on with negotiations with the Nets for no reason, just so that he can get his name in the news.

Am I expected to still respect this guy?

Whoa!

Really?

Denver has been the MOST hard-headed Front office I've seen in this situation.

GOOD TEAMS keep their superstars and don't even attempt to trade him.
GOOD TEAMS only test the waters in the final year of the superstar's contract.

Denver should just have kept him and hoped for a good run that convinced him to stay.

Remember, ALL MELO COULD DO IS SIGN THE EXTENSION. Him being traded...that could have happened WHENEVER the Nuggets wanted. But they were greedy. With all this, its a guarantee he won't be back and now they're stuck with taking diminished deals, instead of hoping to keep him beyond this year.

3neSoulja
02-19-2011, 08:48 PM
Melo can go **** himself..

bklynny67
02-19-2011, 08:52 PM
i love how so many people keep complaining about new Melo threads and complaining about this dragging out...

this is how it will be for every superstar player thats about to be traded. and the team will almost always wait till they absolutely have to make a deal so they can get the best deal. why is anyone surprised its not done yet.

there's a good solution if you're one of the people complaining every time theres new news and a new thread.

DON'T F*CKING OPEN IT. STOP WHINING LIKE A LITTLE ******. READ SOMETHING ELSE!

xxplayerxx23
02-19-2011, 08:55 PM
Melo prob told mangement 10 times i dont want to be a net but denver must of Had a dream saying he would so they wont drop it I think the trade stillg oes like this
Nuggets get Chandler fields Mosgov, Curry 1st round pick ( i think prob from randolph trade hope we dont trade this guy)
Knicks Get Melo, Billups , Balkman and maybe a filler for to match salary cap
I would love for the knicks to add Bukie, Walker and a 2nd rounder and get smith in the deal he would thrive in this system

AddiX
02-19-2011, 08:58 PM
:confused:

Your posting credibility just went :down:

Anyway, back to the topic.... At the end of the day the Heat were already a top 5 defensive team before the summer of 2010. They replaced Michael Beasley with Bosh which is a defensive upgrade no matter how you look at it, and replaced Q-Rich with LeBron which is a defensive upgrade no matter how you look at it.

Jermaine O'Neal had some defensive impact, but not a lot more than what the Heat have now with Dampier, Anthony & Z's size. So as a whole the Heat's defensive roster improved.

The Knicks are taking steps backwards and still has a coach who knows nothing when it comes to defense. He tells all his players to switch on screens. Total idiot.

Oh no, not a Heat Fan calling out my credibility.

Sorry, Wade individually is not that good on defense and hes one of my favorite players in the league. You heat fans need to get ourselves.

Allstar21
02-19-2011, 09:02 PM
defense doesn't matter....winning does

PhillyFaninLA
02-19-2011, 09:05 PM
defense doesn't matter....winning does


You don't win a championship without a good to great defense.

To give a golf cliche.....putt for dough drive for show.

beasted86
02-19-2011, 09:06 PM
Oh no, not a Heat Fan calling out my credibility.

Sorry, Wade individually is not that good on defense and hes one of my favorite players in the league. You heat fans need to get ourselves.

Yeah, you are right. I'm getting ahead of myself.

He got on the NBA all-defensive team the past 2 years in a row by fluke, and in '04-05 by default. Hopefully with this year's improvement he just might actually deserve it when he makes his 4th appearance, and it won't be "just because".

xxcubs22xx
02-19-2011, 09:09 PM
WOW at people saying Wade isn't good on defense. Watch some basketball.

The Knicks are 2 games over .500 right now. With Melo, I see that staying constant, and with good reason.

mjqusoldier
02-19-2011, 09:11 PM
WOW at people saying Wade isn't good on defense. Watch some basketball.

The Knicks are 2 games over .500 right now. With Melo, I see that staying constant, and with good reason.

yep 2-0 against the Bulls though and looks like they will be playing eachother in the 1st round. Upset Alert!!!

MelanconMadness
02-19-2011, 09:14 PM
I love how everyone hates this situation, and hates Melo because he is creating this ******** (which hes not, its all Denvers FO), yet people still come on here to post. If you want it to end, and hate this so much, then why do you all care enough to post?

As far as "melo is worse than LeBron". That isnt even close. Who did the Cavs get in return for Lebron? They got to watch Lebron sit in a chair on ESPN, and publicly humiliate the franchise. "Taking my talents to South Beach" may be the most ignorant piece of **** move in sports history.

Mr Haha
02-19-2011, 09:21 PM
I love how everyone hates this situation, and hates Melo because he is creating this ******** (which hes not, its all Denvers FO), yet people still come on here to post. If you want it to end, and hate this so much, then why do you all care enough to post?

As far as "melo is worse than LeBron". That isnt even close. Who did the Cavs get in return for Lebron? They got to watch Lebron sit in a chair on ESPN, and publicly humiliate the franchise. "Taking my talents to South Beach" may be the most ignorant piece of **** move in sports history.

Completely agree. It blows my mind how bored people must be to make post after post about something they are supposedly sick of. Get lives, or at least, just click on another thread!

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 09:24 PM
I love how everyone hates this situation, and hates Melo because he is creating this ******** (which hes not, its all Denvers FO), yet people still come on here to post. If you want it to end, and hate this so much, then why do you all care enough to post?

As far as "melo is worse than LeBron". That isnt even close. Who did the Cavs get in return for Lebron? They got to watch Lebron sit in a chair on ESPN, and publicly humiliate the franchise. "Taking my talents to South Beach" may be the most ignorant piece of **** move in sports history.

"taking my talents to south beach" = AWESOME

It just gets better and better with time... like it was cool and awesome at the time, but looking back it is more and more amazing... we didn't fully appreciate it at the time.

after the $100M loss for the Cavs, the city's reaction, the Lebron backlash, the 30 losses by the Cavs... it just gets better and better.

LoL he just sat there with a straight face and looked into the camera and said
"after a lot of really tough consideration, I've decided I'm taking my talents to South Beach" HAHHAHAHAH while getting paid $1M for doing the interview and 100 million people watch the interview, and every news outlet goes crazy covering it.

Just the best ever

BigBlueCrew
02-19-2011, 09:25 PM
Completely agree. It blows my mind how bored people must be to make post after post about something they are supposedly sick of. Get lives, or at least, just click on another thread!

Well put!

:clap::clap::clap:

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 09:26 PM
there is no deal the owners can negotiate that will prevent that. Lebron could've hurt the NBA more by launching his own pay per view network or playing in Europe.

you either have to respect these players and make them partners, or else bend over like Cleveland

Gambeezy
02-19-2011, 09:29 PM
Oh no, not a Heat Fan calling out my credibility.

Sorry, Wade individually is not that good on defense and hes one of my favorite players in the league. You heat fans need to get ourselves.


Yeah, you are right. I'm getting ahead of myself.

He got on the NBA all-defensive team the past 2 years in a row by fluke, and in '04-05 by default. Hopefully with this year's improvement he just might actually deserve it when he makes his 4th appearance, and it won't be "just because".

:burn: That's an argument you're not winning.

xxplayerxx23
02-19-2011, 09:29 PM
Breaking news melo to the cavs for their 1st and Jamison ;]

Ethix11
02-19-2011, 09:33 PM
I cant wait until Melo goes to the Knicks. They wont D up but their offense would be fun to watch and good enough.

chicago lulz
02-19-2011, 09:33 PM
I love how everyone hates this situation, and hates Melo because he is creating this ******** (which hes not, its all Denvers FO), yet people still come on here to post. If you want it to end, and hate this so much, then why do you all care enough to post?

As far as "melo is worse than LeBron". That isnt even close. Who did the Cavs get in return for Lebron? They got to watch Lebron sit in a chair on ESPN, and publicly humiliate the franchise. "Taking my talents to South Beach" may be the most ignorant piece of **** move in sports history.

Disagree. Both parties are at fault in this situation. Denver FO certainly screwed themselves with this one, but Melo could have been clear with his intentions so they could just get this ordeal resolved.

Allstar21
02-19-2011, 09:39 PM
you don't win a championship without a good to great defense.

To give a golf cliche.....putt for dough drive for show.

anything is possssssssiblelelelellelelelele

AddiX
02-19-2011, 09:39 PM
:burn: That's an argument you're not winning.

Not an argument I need to win, how wade won awards for defense should be illegal. I've watched that dude get handled left and right on defense.

As I said, I'm a wade fan. This isn't a biased opinion.

Allstar21
02-19-2011, 09:40 PM
Disagree. Both parties are at fault in this situation. Denver FO certainly screwed themselves with this one, but Melo could have been clear with his intentions so they could just get this ordeal resolved.

by melo being unclear on what he wants to do he has actually really helped the nuggets out (they will now get more from the knicks than their first offer)

Gambeezy
02-19-2011, 09:42 PM
Disagree. Both parties are at fault in this situation. Denver FO certainly screwed themselves with this one, but Melo could have been clear with his intentions so they could just get this ordeal resolved.

Yes, both at fault. I'm sure Melo has know for a while that he wanted to leave though when all the major FA's starting changing teams. I think the Knicks are offering a nice package though, and it's certainly more than what Toronto, Cleveland, and Phoenix got. They should be content instead of feeling burned when this is all said and done. At least they won't be going through a massive rebuilding period, or ending up with the worst (CLE) and 4th worst (TOR) records in the League.

xxplayerxx23
02-19-2011, 09:42 PM
SMh at taj gibson airballed every half court shot lol

chicago lulz
02-19-2011, 09:48 PM
by melo being unclear on what he wants to do he has actually really helped the nuggets out (they will now get more from the knicks than their first offer)

I didn't mean be clear as in, make sure the media and everyone knows about it. More of a behind closed doors, letting them know he's not looking to come back to Denver and let them get theirs from a trade.

Though I suppose that isn't plausible with 'sources' always being out there.

MelanconMadness
02-19-2011, 09:52 PM
Disagree. Both parties are at fault in this situation. Denver FO certainly screwed themselves with this one, but Melo could have been clear with his intentions so they could just get this ordeal resolved.

Could be wrong, but last time I checked, players cant trade themselves. Melo has been clear NUMEROUS times that the Knicks are where he wants to be. Just because the Nets keep getting involved doesnt mean that Melo is asking them to get back in, actually it would be the opposite, he wouldnt want the teams in a bidding war because he wouldnt want to go to a completely gutted team (ie the Nets latest offer). The Nuggets FO are likely the ones that keep getting the Nets involved to bring up the price, which is why its dragging out

Melo said from the beginning of the year that he wasnt going to sign the extention with the Nuggets. Lebron told the Cavs he wasnt going to sign with them maybe 45 minutes before he made his "decision"

None of this is on Melo, people outside of NY just hate NY whether its baseball, basketball, or football, so of course people are going to complain that this is the players fault when its not in his hands to trade himself

hugepatsfan
02-19-2011, 09:57 PM
Disagree. Both parties are at fault in this situation. Denver FO certainly screwed themselves with this one, but Melo could have been clear with his intentions so they could just get this ordeal resolved.

Why should Melo be clear? That hurts his leverage. Supposedly, he's made it clear to DEN that he won't resign. That's all he owes them. Him letting them know that much is a huge help to them, because now they know to trade him. And Melo doing that for them actually hurts him a bit. It's in his best interest to make other teams think he wants to resign because of the money. That way they trade for him and then sign him to the bigger money, as opposed to just signing there for less. Melo has been awesome to DEN in this.

chicago lulz
02-19-2011, 10:03 PM
Could be wrong, but last time I checked, players cant trade themselves. Melo has been clear NUMEROUS times that the Knicks are where he wants to be.

None of this is on Melo, people outside of NY just hate NY whether its baseball, basketball, or football, so of course people are going to complain that this is the players fault when its not in his hands to trade himself

They can certainly request trades, and they have power/say in it (see the fiasco that happened in Utah). There were reports that he would mull over the idea of signing an extension with Denver if I remember correctly. There were reports he wants to be a Knick because he wants to play in NYC. Etc.

What I noticed is that it was always sources stating these, and nothing ever came straight from Anthony's mouth. You never heard him state he wanted to be where. I feel he did the right thing in doing so, and that's respectable. What my point is was he should have let the Nuggest know behind closed doors his intentions.

Maybe it's just you who thinks the bolded. I don't know how my post would imply that, since I stated that BOTH parties were at fault and did not mention any hate for NY sports.



Why should Melo be clear? That hurts his leverage. Supposedly, he's made it clear to DEN that he won't resign.
I was unaware that he made it clear he wouldn't resign as I remember a week ago, he supposedly said he would think about signing an extension with Denver.


Maybe I shouldn't say 'be clear', but to say it's ALL Denver's faul is unfair.

Bornknick73
02-19-2011, 10:16 PM
NYC is THE most hated.

I wear my Most Hated Championship belt with pride.

If living in a city where only the strongest succeed warrants HATE then so be it. Ill shine my belt up and bask in it.

Anilyzer
02-19-2011, 10:47 PM
NYC is THE most hated.

I wear my Most Hated Championship belt with pride.

If living in a city where only the strongest succeed warrants HATE then so be it. Ill shine my belt up and bask in it.

uhhhh, I like the Knicks, they have a great tradition, but they have a long way to go before they are "most hated."

More hated than Kobe? Boston? Rondo? Garnett? Cuban? Miami? Lebron? Lakers? Artest? Riley?

New York is somewhat irrelevant. They WERE hated in the 90's, but that was mostly because of Pat Riley... who is now in Miami with Lebron.

New York is kind of an amoeba right now... they have to actually beat some teams to get there. It's hard to hate a team that you always beat...

Bornknick73
02-19-2011, 11:09 PM
uhhhh, I like the Knicks, they have a great tradition, but they have a long way to go before they are "most hated."

More hated than Kobe? Boston? Rondo? Garnett? Cuban? Miami? Lebron? Lakers? Artest? Riley?

New York is somewhat irrelevant. They WERE hated in the 90's, but that was mostly because of Pat Riley... who is now in Miami with Lebron.

New York is kind of an amoeba right now... they have to actually beat some teams to get there. It's hard to hate a team that you always beat...

I didnt say the Knicks...I said NYC. We could have the shittiest teams on the planet and we would still be hated.

ElMarroAfamado
02-20-2011, 01:36 AM
haha im surprised no one has upped the clip of Lebrick defending Carmelo after he got asked all type of questions regarding this

hugepatsfan
02-20-2011, 01:46 AM
[QUOTE=chicago lulz;16789781]I was unaware that he made it clear he wouldn't resign as I remember a week ago, he supposedly said he would think about signing an extension with Denver.[QUOTE]

This is a bit of reading between the lines on my part, but I don't believe those reports. It seems to me like an obvious smokescreen.

At this point, I firmly believe Melo wants to be a Knick. However, I think definately wants the money that can only be given to him by DEN or through a trade. I think Melo has probably made it clear to DEN that he will leave after the year. However, by creating the illusion that he is considering resigning for the extra money it brings, Melo makes NY more likely to make a legitimate offer. That way he gets to pick his team and his money.

I think it's been made clear to DEN that this is the reason for these reports about Melo resigning. And those rumors are a HUGE help to DEN if they recognize that they are a bluff. It gives them much more leverage in a deal w/ NY, which seems to be their only option. (Because Melo won't resign in NJ and they won't make a deal if he doesn't. In that sense, Melo is hurting DEN, but he has every right to choose where he goes long term so he can't be blamed for that.)

That's just my belief of what is going on behind the scenes. I could be totally off, as there is a lot of educated guessing on my part.

icej
02-20-2011, 01:53 AM
haha im surprised no one has upped the clip of Lebrick defending Carmelo after he got asked all type of questions regarding this

Coz your probably the only one who gives a **** more about lebron than the actual things happening in the NBA. Get over him chick.

This all about the Trade.

iggypop123
02-20-2011, 01:56 AM
looks like denver is gonna be persistent to the end. now they want mozgov no matter what.

icej
02-20-2011, 01:57 AM
I hope this Melo drama ends sooner than thursday, a lot of other significant trades are being held back by this. Should be interesting after this drama is over.

John Walls Era
02-20-2011, 01:58 AM
Let's continue the saga, mad, mad drama...

Kashmir13579
02-20-2011, 02:05 AM
yep 2-0 against the Bulls though and looks like they will be playing eachother in the 1st round. Upset Alert!!!

you say some stupid **** sometimes (most of the time)

but i actually have been saying this for a while now. i like our chances against the Bulls. gimme the Bulls before Orlando, Heat, or Cs in the first round. all day.

can't forget they had key injuries both times we played them. also can't forget that Douglas has had some of his best games (defensively and offensively) against Rose. ALSO we don't know if we will have 'Melo, and if so, how our new team will mesh before the postseason. either way, gimme the Bulls in the first round.

thedfactor
02-20-2011, 02:10 AM
I hope this Melo drama ends sooner than thursday, a lot of other significant trades are being held back by this. Should be interesting after this drama is over.This, let's get Carmelo in orange and blue and move on by Monday night.

jimm120
02-20-2011, 03:01 AM
They can certainly request trades, and they have power/say in it (see the fiasco that happened in Utah). There were reports that he would mull over the idea of signing an extension with Denver if I remember correctly. There were reports he wants to be a Knick because he wants to play in NYC. Etc.

What I noticed is that it was always sources stating these, and nothing ever came straight from Anthony's mouth. You never heard him state he wanted to be where. I feel he did the right thing in doing so, and that's respectable. What my point is was he should have let the Nuggest know behind closed doors his intentions.

Maybe it's just you who thinks the bolded. I don't know how my post would imply that, since I stated that BOTH parties were at fault and did not mention any hate for NY sports.



I was unaware that he made it clear he wouldn't resign as I remember a week ago, he supposedly said he would think about signing an extension with Denver.


Maybe I shouldn't say 'be clear', but to say it's ALL Denver's faul is unfair.

actually, that DOES happen a lot.

More people are pulling for him to go to NJ...just not NY. Example, a while back in this very same thread, someone posted something akin to the following:
"God! another Melo thread! Can't he just go to NJ already?"

It would be "ok" to go to NJ.
It would not be ok to go to NY.

A lot of people feel that way.

Mudvayne91
02-20-2011, 03:22 AM
NYC is THE most hated.

I wear my Most Hated Championship belt with pride.

If living in a city where only the strongest succeed warrants HATE then so be it. Ill shine my belt up and bask in it.

I think New Yorkers are good people. Some can be a little arrogant. I'm not a big fan of the notion of a "I'm better than you because of where I'm from" or the East Coast bias towards anything West of NY is irrelevant not named California. But overall, I'd say they're good people.

ChI_ShIzzLe
02-20-2011, 03:31 AM
you say some stupid **** sometimes (most of the time)

but i actually have been saying this for a while now. i like our chances against the Bulls. gimme the Bulls before Orlando, Heat, or Cs in the first round. all day.

can't forget they had key injuries both times we played them. also can't forget that Douglas has had some of his best games (defensively and offensively) against Rose. ALSO we don't know if we will have 'Melo, and if so, how our new team will mesh before the postseason. either way, gimme the Bulls in the first round.

lol don't get too excited homie. First hope your team wins some games and stays above .500 instead of falling in the standings. Love how fans of a 2 games over .500 team love talking so much **** :laugh2:..the Bobcats beat us in the first 2 games also, didn't really mean ****. Knicks fans are so overjoyed with those 2 regular season wins..lmao