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pcrawley
02-18-2011, 04:50 PM
If you had to come up with 9 teams to put in a so-called NBA Hell (based on current performance, roster, fan participation, front office personnel and future outlook), which ones would you pick?

Here's my take for SLAM: http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/02/nba-hell-pt-2/

fadedmario
02-18-2011, 04:56 PM
Pistons are pretty bad right now - but I can honestly say Greg Monroe makes me smile.

footballer2369
02-18-2011, 05:01 PM
That's cool, man. First step is always admitting it.

SACNYY
02-18-2011, 05:02 PM
I'd say the Pistons

sep11ie
02-18-2011, 05:04 PM
Monta Ellis

pcrawley
02-18-2011, 05:10 PM
I'd say the Pistons

Over the Cavs?? I know Detroit is terrible but Cleveland's in even worse shape right now.

footballer2369
02-18-2011, 05:13 PM
^Are they in worse shape than Monta though?

DLeeicious
02-18-2011, 05:13 PM
The Bulls are going nowhere fast and they are aging like crazy and full of cancers. Blow up that team imo

WatWoudJordanDo
02-18-2011, 05:13 PM
for the next 5 years or so:
pistons
cavs
raptors
nets*
bucks
wizards
t'wolves
kings

sep11ie
02-18-2011, 05:17 PM
^Are they in worse shape than Monta though?

That, sir, is unpossible.

Flash3
02-18-2011, 05:19 PM
just the cavs b

footballer2369
02-18-2011, 05:19 PM
The Bulls are going nowhere fast and they are aging like crazy and full of cancers. Blow up that team imo

Hard to disagree with this logic. I would start with Kurt Thomas, who at least still has valuable grit and heart.

pcrawley
02-18-2011, 05:22 PM
for the next 5 years or so:
pistons
cavs
raptors
nets*
bucks
wizards
t'wolves
kings

Agree on everyone but the Bucks. They have some bad contracts but Bogut + Jennings is a decent core. I assume the asterisk for the Nets is if they get Melo but for the price they're paying I think it actually makes them worse.

76erEaglePhils
02-18-2011, 05:22 PM
T-wolves, Cavs, and Piston's

Flash3
02-18-2011, 05:25 PM
this article is so badly written is that guy like 12 ?

champ101695
02-18-2011, 05:29 PM
cavs, pistons, pacers

pcrawley
02-18-2011, 05:29 PM
this article is so badly written is that guy like 12 ?

11 actually. Sadly, my mom wouldn't let me stay up later to finish it all.

ne3xchamps
02-18-2011, 05:40 PM
cavs
pacers
wizards
wolves
raptors
kings

In no particular order.

pcrawley
02-18-2011, 05:40 PM
cavs, pistons, pacers

Are you pro or anti Larry Bird as a GM?

PurpleJesus28
02-18-2011, 05:41 PM
for the next 5 years or so:
pistons
cavs
raptors
nets*
bucks
wizards
t'wolves
kings

the wizards are a pretty bad team but at least they have some hope with Wall.

tangent12
02-18-2011, 05:43 PM
In all seriousness, the Heat. They have these 3 money draining contracts on lock for the next 6 years with no more money to put a decent team together around them.

Awful bench, weak at the PG position, weak down low and that makes their three signings pretty much worthless. You need a team to win in the NBA as recent championship teams have proved.

Other teams that are worth a mention: Pacers, Nets, Pistons and Wolves. Team that might have a nice young core and future but have been stuck in NBA hell for a few seasons to the point it looks like they are cursed or something.

Flash3
02-18-2011, 05:57 PM
11 actually. Sadly, my mom wouldn't let me stay up later to finish it all.

for example he says bargnani isnt a star ( i agree) but goes on to say it's cause he's not on sport center top plays if you did write that no offense but wow.

pcrawley
02-18-2011, 06:04 PM
for example he says bargnani isnt a star ( i agree) but goes on to say it's cause he's not on sport center top plays if you did write that no offense but wow.

Why is that such a bad judge of stardom? Granted, there's more to it than that but that's the biggest sports show in the country.

heathonater
02-18-2011, 08:02 PM
in the nba, i would rather be really bad then a team that misses the playoffs year in and year out, but not quite bad enough to get a top pick, aka pacers. if you have one really bad year, you at least have a chance of getting a franchise changing player in the draft.

Skullduggery
02-18-2011, 08:19 PM
my poor Kings

cardinals1226
02-18-2011, 08:24 PM
I don't agree with the Pacers being in "NBA hell". The Pacers have shown new life since Jim O'Brien's firing (7-3 under Frank Vogel). The team has some very nice young players in Darren Collison, Paul George, Roy Hibbert, and Lance Stephenson, and can add to that with $35 million in expirings this off-season. The Pacers are projected to make the playoffs this year as a 7-8 seed. The team is definitely improving more so than nearly every team the article mentioned.

One thing I do agree with, the front office is a mess.

SACNYY
02-18-2011, 08:58 PM
Over the Cavs?? I know Detroit is terrible but Cleveland's in even worse shape right now.

Forgot about the Cavs'

GodsSon
02-18-2011, 09:33 PM
Has this guy even heard of Ed Davis before?

Rivera
02-18-2011, 09:34 PM
detroit/cleveland

DwayneMVPwade
02-18-2011, 09:57 PM
Let me rephrase one of his saying. Derozan is not a star YET. Raps got Ed Davis. Our 1st round pick, Amir. Just wait, the Raps will be good in a few years, just be patient.

FutureGM
02-18-2011, 09:59 PM
in the nba, i would rather be really bad then a team that misses the playoffs year in and year out, but not quite bad enough to get a top pick, aka pacers. if you have one really bad year, you at least have a chance of getting a franchise changing player in the draft.

Agreed. The **** is this guy smoking? Charlotte, Pheonix, Houston are all in NBA hell. They are not going to make the playoffs and they are not going to get better any time soon.

At least the Raptors and the Cavs are rebuilding. The teams above haven't realized it's time to rebuild. Raps and Cavs are three four years away. Cha, Pho, and Houston are 10.

DwayneMVPwade
02-18-2011, 10:00 PM
for the next 5 years or so:
pistons
cavs
raptors
nets*
bucks
wizards
t'wolves
kings

All these teams got good young players, which can make them relevant. As for the Real list:

Boston
San Antonio
Feel free to add on.

Flash3
02-18-2011, 11:07 PM
Why is that such a bad judge of stardom? Granted, there's more to it than that but that's the biggest sports show in the country.

you dont just dont judge it off top plays,... with that logic gearld green is a star and guys like chris bosh and duncan who arent flashy and dont make crazy dunks arent stars.

Melo15
02-18-2011, 11:09 PM
Cavs

Phenomenonsense
02-18-2011, 11:18 PM
Calling Monroe "serviceable" and only serviceable is a joke. Daye has progressed far more than I thought he would in one year. He's adding muscle and he's a "pass me the ball for the last shot" kind of player. He doesn't care if a shot goes in or doesn't, he takes it and moves on to the next one. He doesn't dwell on them. Jerebko was gearing up for a great season for the Pistons, after scoring 25 PPG in Sweden's FIBA team, and BG is still a serviceable SG. Hamilton is an expiring next year (which doesn't really matter considering the looming Lock out). Stuckey hasn't grown much, but Tmac taking over at PG didn't really help the situation. He's obviously can set up an offense, but he is not a natural playmaker.

The BodyGuard °
02-18-2011, 11:38 PM
Cavs & Nets

Sixerlover
02-19-2011, 01:58 AM
Has this guy even heard of Ed Davis before?

He's no one's star.

Sixerlover
02-19-2011, 02:01 AM
Agreed. The **** is this guy smoking? Charlotte, Pheonix, Houston are all in NBA hell. They are not going to make the playoffs and they are not going to get better any time soon.

At least the Raptors and the Cavs are rebuilding. The teams above haven't realized it's time to rebuild. Raps and Cavs are three four years away. Cha, Pho, and Houston are 10.

3 or 4 years away from what exactly? You speak of the draft like it's an exact science. It took Chicago a whole decade to find their franchise player in the draft (when they had top picks for YEARS), same with LAC, whereas it too San Antonio 1 year to get great back in '98. Saying they are "x" years away from anything with no basis but by then they'll get lucky in the draft isn't a correct statement.

Rego247
02-19-2011, 02:17 AM
He's no one's star.

obviously not. but he is tremendous upside, he's part of core. if he can talk about demar he can talk about ed as well.

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02-19-2011, 03:07 PM
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THE GIPPER
02-19-2011, 03:29 PM
Let me rephrase one of his saying. Derozan is not a star YET. Raps got Ed Davis. Our 1st round pick, Amir. Just wait, the Raps will be good in a few years, just be patient.

I agree if they can keep it together with derozan/davis/amir and get someone like kyrie irving in the draft thats pretty scary

Jazz Bear
02-19-2011, 07:23 PM
My utah jazz team is in NBA hell. Lost coach sloan. Can't win a home game. Have no nba championship. Deron Williams is useless as of late. Could keep going but would rather publish a book on it.