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sfgs558
02-07-2011, 02:24 PM
Do you think Lebron has won back any fans or is he as hated as he was in the beginning of the year? I was watching the Heat-Thunder game last week, and I didn't notice as much booing every time he touched the ball. I could be wrong though, but what do you guys think?

whitemamba33
02-07-2011, 02:25 PM
I dont hate him. I never have, and most likely I never will.

I just lost a ton of respect for him, but that is another issue. That's not going to go away over time, unless he does something to change it. He's not on that path right now.

Heater4life
02-07-2011, 02:32 PM
Its died down, for now. I expect Lebron and the Heat to get the NBA's full wrath come playoff time.

beasted86
02-07-2011, 02:33 PM
You still hear boos at the intro, but it's getting harder for fans to continue booing through the game when they are getting smashed and 50+ dropped on 'em.

But yeah, they still hate LeBron & the Heat in general.

PhillyFaninLA
02-07-2011, 02:33 PM
My opinion of him never changed. I thought he was the best basketball player in the world but immature and starved for attention. I never liked or disliked him as a human being and am still awed by what he does with a basketball.

Bucsfan
02-07-2011, 02:33 PM
who cares?

ManRam
02-07-2011, 02:39 PM
People will always hate him. It comes with the territory of being the best in the game. Everything is scrutinized and blown up so much more. People will continue to find small reasons that justify their hate.

asandhu23
02-07-2011, 02:43 PM
Yes. **** you lebron

llemon
02-07-2011, 02:43 PM
So long as Lebron keeps acting like an a-hole, he will be hated by many.

yanks19791024
02-07-2011, 02:44 PM
yeah I still dont like him

Giraffes Rule
02-07-2011, 02:46 PM
I've never liked Lebron.

SteBO
02-07-2011, 02:48 PM
The hate has died down a little, bt it isn't completely gone, that's for sure. The best will always be hated for it's the nature of sports. The only LeBron gets some fans back is if he wins a title. That's all there is to it.

RZZZA
02-07-2011, 02:49 PM
people still boo him everywhere, he was boo'd in orlando

Turtle55
02-07-2011, 02:54 PM
I do think it's funny that people keep posting that he's hated because he's the best. Then why was there only a tenth as much hatred for him last year? He was just as good as he is now... he's hated because of the ******* way he carried himself over the summer and "the decision". Anyone who thinks it's only because he's great at basketball is kidding themselves.

ATX
02-07-2011, 02:56 PM
Do you think Lebron has won back any fans or is he as hated as he was in the beginning of the year? I was watching the Heat-Thunder game last week, and I didn't notice as much booing every time he touched the ball. I could be wrong though, but what do you guys think?

If you spend any time around this site you will see that he is more detested than Hitler + Bin Laden + Loughner + McVey combined.

michael811
02-07-2011, 02:56 PM
There was never any hate only a backlash for the ridiculous over hyping of a player who hasn't really accomplished all that much yet in the league. When people get attention and accolades they don't deserve it rubs other people the wrong way. LIke Palin and those annoying boy bands

Da Knicks
02-07-2011, 02:59 PM
Lebron acted childish and thats why he is hated, he is also the best player right now so it makes it even better. The Nba needs rivalries again, James could be the player that can make those happen.

j-mart
02-07-2011, 03:01 PM
I don't hate him. He's a great player. I just have no respect for much of his behaviour.

John Walls Era
02-07-2011, 03:03 PM
Fans always boo the best.

arkanian215
02-07-2011, 03:03 PM
If you spend any time around this site you will see that he is more detested than Hitler + Bin Laden + Loughner + McVey combined.

Truth.

Ray_R
02-07-2011, 03:04 PM
I do think it's funny that people keep posting that he's hated because he's the best. Then why was there only a tenth as much hatred for him last year? He was just as good as he is now... he's hated because of the ******* way he carried himself over the summer and "the decision". Anyone who thinks it's only because he's great at basketball is kidding themselves.

this

Sly Guy
02-07-2011, 03:08 PM
if anything, I hate him more. Because I'm entitled to a baseless opinion like that. God bless America!

JayTee1981
02-07-2011, 03:13 PM
I've never liked Lebron.

x2

ManRam
02-07-2011, 03:16 PM
If you think LeBron is a worse human being than 80% of professional athletes, well...you're crazy.

The Decision was a terrible decision (no pun). He was against it, but his handlers convinced him to do it. He shouldn't have done it, and it just showed how vain he is. If his biggest character flaw is wanting attention, well, good for him. If guaranteeing championships to his new fan base is a testament to his character flaws, well, good for him. Those are things I'd love to have be my biggest flaws.

However, no other athlete in this world could pull off The Decision like he did with the attention he got. You can't forget that. His star power, his eliteness and the hype he gets does distort perceptions of him. He's placed on a pedestal of judgement that others never have to deal with...

Sox72
02-07-2011, 03:16 PM
Fans always boo the best.

I don't remember Michael Jordan being booed everywhere he went.

d00d
02-07-2011, 03:17 PM
Is Lebron still widely hated?

yes

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 03:18 PM
i hope he tears his ACL and can never play again. real talk.

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 03:19 PM
I don't remember Michael Jordan being booed everywhere he went.

or Kobe.

ManRam
02-07-2011, 03:24 PM
i hope he tears his ACL and can never play again. real talk.

When people say stuff like that, they have no right to judge other people's character.

Classless.

Kobe and Jordan are undoubtedly worse human beings than LeBron. Jordan cheated on his wife, had gambling problems, was an abrasive teammate, got coaches fired, was manipulative...and so on. Pretty sure LeBron knows better to do any of those things. And we all know Kobe's charachter flaws.

Again, the stuff we criticize LeBron for is just silly. His character flaws aren't character flaws when observed in anyone that isn't one of the 10 most famous Americans. They're normal and acceptable. But when it is someone so high up, and someone that is polarizing for whatever reasons...they become punishable sins it seems like.

beasted86
02-07-2011, 03:27 PM
i hope he tears his ACL and can never play again. real talk.

U real mad, huh?

:laugh2:

I swear, it's only a NY & Chicago thing. You guys are way too high strung.

ManRam
02-07-2011, 03:29 PM
i hope he tears his ACL and can never play again. real talk.

Actually, this illustrates another point I alluded.


If LeBron says this in a public forum, he'd be annihilated by everyone, including probably you yourself. It would be a headline story. It would spark a 50 page thread on PSD for sure.

When you say it, you might get a person or two like me saying that it was a classless remark, but that's it.

His star power sets him up for criticism that no one else would ever get. We have to sit back and look at this all in perspective. Everyone here is hypocritical to an extent...you certainly are.

Jonathan2323
02-07-2011, 03:32 PM
Im actually starting to hear some cheers after made baskets. In time people will not hate the HEAT because they play the game the right way.

The only players i dislike are players like Noah and KG. They talk trash and they are really not that tough.

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 03:33 PM
Actually, this illustrates another point I alluded.


If LeBron says this in a public forum, he'd be annihilated by everyone, including probably you yourself. It would be a headline story. It would spark a 50 page thread on PSD for sure.

When you say it, you might get a person or two like me saying that it was a classless remark, but that's it.

His star power sets him up for criticism that no one else would ever get. We have to sit back and look at this all in perspective. Everyone here is hypocritical to an extent...you certainly are.

Lebron is classless. and i wasn't going for shock value i meant what i said. The NBA and a lot of fans would love to forget Lebron ever existed. (no matter how good he is)
Lebron is/was dead to me. the minute he went on TV with that ugly pink button-up shirt and his smug face.

Jonathan2323
02-07-2011, 03:36 PM
Lebron is classless. and i wasn't going for shock value i meant what i said. The NBA and a lot of fans would love to forget Lebron ever existed. (no matter how good he is)
Lebron is/was dead to me. the minute he went on TV with that ugly pink button-up shirt and his smug face.

and yet if he said "I'm taking my talent to New York" you would love the guy. I would have never hated LeBron if he had not joined the HEAT, it was all the media hype that doomed him.

AddiX
02-07-2011, 03:36 PM
I just don't like his personality, hes the only player in the league who can make a bucket in the first quarter and stop to look at the fans like he just hit a game winner in the playoffs. The guy is a chump.

And TBH, people have noticed that now, and they have moved on. Bron is still a superstar, but no one can say that people talk about him the way they use to.

There used to be 2-3 Bron threads a day in here, you don't see that no more.

Pornstar86
02-07-2011, 03:37 PM
Lebron is classless. and i wasn't going for shock value i meant what i said. The NBA and a lot of fans would love to forget Lebron ever existed. (no matter how good he is)
Lebron is/was dead to me. the minute he went on TV with that ugly pink button-up shirt and his smug face.

if he went on TV with that ugly pink button-up shirt and his smug face, then revealed he was joining New York and Amare, would you still be *****ing??? stfu, your a hypocrite and dont even deserve an opinion because of the **** that comes out of your mouth

ManRam
02-07-2011, 03:38 PM
Lebron is classless. and i wasn't going for shock value i meant what i said. The NBA and a lot of fans would love to forget Lebron ever existed. (no matter how good he is)
Lebron is/was dead to me. the minute he went on TV with that ugly pink button-up shirt and his smug face.

Fair enough. But, if as a human being my biggest flaw was going on TV to try and promote my brand (and give some money to charity, which was the only way he said he'd do it...which is respectable)...then I'd like to think I lived a really respectable and admirable life.

He's never been arrested, he's never been busted for drugs, he's never made poor decisions with women, he's never been in a physical altercation, and so on. That list of 4 things eliminates about 75% of NBA players. But nope, LeBron is the bigger scumbag...

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 03:39 PM
When people say stuff like that, they have no right to judge other people's character.

Classless.

Kobe and Jordan are undoubtedly worse human beings than LeBron. Jordan cheated on his wife, had gambling problems, was an abrasive teammate, got coaches fired, was manipulative...and so on. Pretty sure LeBron knows better to do any of those things. And we all know Kobe's charachter flaws.

Again, the stuff we criticize LeBron for is just silly. His character flaws aren't character flaws when observed in anyone that isn't one of the 10 most famous Americans. They're normal and acceptable. But when it is someone so high up, and someone that is polarizing for whatever reasons...they become punishable sins it seems like.

i wasn't around for Jordan but i'm aware he's a bad father and a degenerate gambler; and i think Kobe is a horrible person. but this isn't about that. i'm not comparing Lebron to either of them and my distaste for Lebron is much more real and personal than my feelings toward Kobe or Jordan.

Jonathan2323
02-07-2011, 03:40 PM
i wasn't around for Jordan but i'm aware he's a bad father and a degenerate gambler; and i think Kobe is a horrible person. but this isn't about that. i'm not comparing Lebron to either of them and my distaste for Lebron is much more real and personal than my feelings toward Kobe or Jordan.

This explains it all.

I understand why you make immature comments.

sargon21
02-07-2011, 03:40 PM
ManRam -- what's the point of defending the douchebag?

d00d
02-07-2011, 03:42 PM
U real mad, huh?

:laugh2:

I swear, it's only a NY & Chicago thing. You guys are way too high strung.

you have your head in the sand then. I live in FL and listen to local radio from Tampa, Orlando and SW FL and they hate the guy too.

the only place that can tolerate the guy is Miami

sargon21
02-07-2011, 03:42 PM
If you think LeBron is a worse human being than 80% of professional athletes, well...you're crazy.

The Decision was a terrible decision (no pun). He was against it, but his handlers convinced him to do it. He shouldn't have done it, and it just showed how vain he is. If his biggest character flaw is wanting attention, well, good for him. If guaranteeing championships to his new fan base is a testament to his character flaws, well, good for him. Those are things I'd love to have be my biggest flaws.

However, no other athlete in this world could pull off The Decision like he did with the attention he got. You can't forget that. His star power, his eliteness and the hype he gets does distort perceptions of him. He's placed on a pedestal of judgement that others never have to deal with...

That's ********. The guy is ~25, he can make his own decisions (no pun).

D-Block21-Chito
02-07-2011, 03:42 PM
The hate has died down a little, bt it isn't completely gone, that's for sure. The best will always be hated for it's the nature of sports. The only LeBron gets some fans back is if he wins a title. That's all there is to it.

I don't think Jordan was hated by many actually so not sure what your talking about and I don't know many who hate magic or larry sooooo... Lebron is a douche

Ray
02-07-2011, 03:43 PM
The hate will probably stop after this year. But I think Cleveland will always hate him.

sargon21
02-07-2011, 03:43 PM
When people say stuff like that, they have no right to judge other people's character.

Classless.

Kobe and Jordan are undoubtedly worse human beings than LeBron. Jordan cheated on his wife, had gambling problems, was an abrasive teammate, got coaches fired, was manipulative...and so on. Pretty sure LeBron knows better to do any of those things. And we all know Kobe's charachter flaws.

Again, the stuff we criticize LeBron for is just silly. His character flaws aren't character flaws when observed in anyone that isn't one of the 10 most famous Americans. They're normal and acceptable. But when it is someone so high up, and someone that is polarizing for whatever reasons...they become punishable sins it seems like.

Bottom line is that Kobe and Jordan are/were winners and that can overshadow their other flaws, while Lebron has failed in the playoffs repeatedly, whether you want to say that will change or not, is a matter of opinion at this point.

beasted86
02-07-2011, 03:43 PM
This explains it all.

I understand why you make immature comments.

Yeah, sometimes you forget some of these posters are like 14 and just started watching basketball.

Jonathan2323
02-07-2011, 03:44 PM
That's ********. The guy is ~25, he can make his own decisions (no pun).

He made 3 mil for charity and everyone wanted to know his decision. Doesn't sound like such a bad idea, its all about business. The only thing he could have done different was tell the Cavs his choice before hand.

D1JM
02-07-2011, 03:44 PM
Seems like everyone always blames everyone else, but lebron for his poor decisions or non-accomplishments, it's never him, just everyone else.

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 03:46 PM
Fair enough. But, if as a human being my biggest flaw was going on TV to try and promoting my brand (and give some money to charity, which was the only way he said he'd do it...which is respectable)...then I'd like to think I lived a really respectable and admirable life.

He's never been arrested, he's never been busted for drugs, he's never made poor decisions with women, he's never been in a physical altercation, and so on. That list of 4 things eliminates about 75% of NBA players. But nope, LeBron is the bigger scumbag...

you're either overly understanding or naive. i mean that in a friendly way if you can accept it. :D and i get what your saying, but i don't measure someone as being a scumbag by how much weed they smoke, whether they've had an unlucky run-in with the law, or whether or not Ron Artest fouled them around the neck leading to an altercation.

Ok he never abused woman, so by traditional standards he's less of a scumbag than Iverson. but as i said before, my distaste for Lebron is much more personal than Iverson. Iverson let down the Sixers and his family; Lebron let down the entire sports world. The scope of Lebrons actions are far more great than a petit altercation on the court or a case of domestic disturbance.

beasted86
02-07-2011, 03:47 PM
you have your head in the sand then. I live in FL and listen to local radio from Tampa, Orlando and SW FL and they hate the guy too.

the only place that can tolerate the guy is Miami

Um... bucko, that's not what my post was about.

My post was about the uptight narcissistic jerkwads who make sports talk so serious they come online and use curse words, exclamation marks, and spew deep emotional hatred like their life depended on it.

Many people here who dislike LeBron, just simply do just that-- dislike LeBron. I find it's mainly Knicks and Bulls fans who let that dislike carry over into an actual "hate", and are actually "mad", and get maddened so much they post the nonsense they do online.

DODGERS&LAKERS
02-07-2011, 03:47 PM
:shrug:I never hated him. I find it impossible to really hate a person I have never met. I might not like some of his or her characteristics, but there is so much more to a person than just what we see in public life, or their actions on the court or field.

Lebron may be the best father around, he may be the most loyal friend around. Those are traits that I admire in a person, and if I saw he had those traits, it would be easy for me to overlook him talking in the third person. The point is, we only see a small glimmer into the lives of the people we watch on t.v. That is not enough to make an accurate judgement on a persons character.

ManRam
02-07-2011, 03:47 PM
Bottom line is that Kobe and Jordan are/were winners and that can overshadow their other flaws, while Lebron has failed in the playoffs repeatedly, whether you want to say that will change or not, is a matter of opinion at this point.

Wait...so winning makes you both a better human being and less hated? This logic is terrible. You hate him because he hasn't won? You don't care than Kobe and Jordan were far worse human beings than LeBron because they won a few championships? Seriously???

Jordan was still ringless at LeBron's current age too, for the record.

Avenged
02-07-2011, 03:48 PM
I disliked Lebron when he first entered the league.. I was more into the Melo bandwagon.

I hopped off and joined Lebron's after the things he was doing in Cleveland :laugh2:

Even got myself a Lebron Cavs jersey [which I still have]. I still like Lebron, phenomenal player and he has done absolutely nothing to the Lakers for me to dislike him. The hatred towards him is more of a fan thing which I don't care much for. If Lakers fans hate him then good for you, but I'm not part of that group because again, he hasn't done anything to the Lakers.

I could care less about how he switched teams or what he does in his personal life. I swear PSD has the most ethical, innocent, perfect people who never do anything wrong.

The only time i'll really hate him is when he's preventing the Lakers from championships.

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 03:50 PM
Im actually starting to hear some cheers after made baskets. In time people will not hate the HEAT because they play the game the right way.

The only players i dislike are players like Noah and KG. They talk trash and they are really not that tough.

Really the Heat play the game the right way??? When I think of a team that plays the game the right way I think of the 2004 Pistons or the current Celtics, or Spurs. That's more like team basketball. I don't think the Heat necessarily have complete team basketball.
I don't think Noah and KG are the fake tough guys. I think you need to look on the Heat roster at players like Bosh and Eddie House to find the some true fake tough guys.
I don't think people hate LeBron. They just think he's lame.

ATX
02-07-2011, 03:51 PM
When people say stuff like that, they have no right to judge other people's character.

Classless.

Kobe and Jordan are undoubtedly worse human beings than LeBron. Jordan cheated on his wife, had gambling problems, was an abrasive teammate, got coaches fired, was manipulative...and so on. Pretty sure LeBron knows better to do any of those things. And we all know Kobe's charachter flaws.

Again, the stuff we criticize LeBron for is just silly. His character flaws aren't character flaws when observed in anyone that isn't one of the 10 most famous Americans. They're normal and acceptable. But when it is someone so high up, and someone that is polarizing for whatever reasons...they become punishable sins it seems like.

Truer words couldn't be spoken. Great post

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 03:51 PM
This explains it all.

I understand why you make immature comments.

oh boy. yea that must be the end all be all. if your under the age of 25 you must be a ****ing ****** and not worthy of an opinion. thats what your saying right? :facepalm:

godolphins
02-07-2011, 03:53 PM
i hope he tears his ACL and can never play again. real talk.

:pity: You are feeling tough behind that computer huh

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 03:53 PM
Yeah, sometimes you forget some of these posters are like 14 and just started watching basketball.

21 years old, played the game my entire life, Syracuse season ticket holder, and have been enjoying the NBA since 2002.

godolphins
02-07-2011, 03:54 PM
oh boy. yea that must be the end all be all. if your under the age of 25 you must be a ****ing ****** and not worthy of an opinion. thats what your saying right? :facepalm:

More like you're under the age of 15

Jonathan2323
02-07-2011, 03:54 PM
Really the Heat play the game the right way??? When I think of a team that plays the game the right way I think of the 2004 Pistons or the current Celtics, or Spurs. That's more like team basketball. I don't think the Heat necessarily have complete team basketball.
I don't think Noah and KG are the fake tough guys. I think you need to look on the Heat roster at players like Bosh and Eddie House to find the some true fake tough guys.
I don't think people hate LeBron. They just think he's lame.

Bosh is not a tough guy and thats not who he is, so Durant saying that is stupid.

Also looking thru your posts here on PSD everyone one of them is something negative aganist the HEAT.

SteBO
02-07-2011, 03:55 PM
oh boy. yea that must be the end all be all. if your under the age of 25 you must be a ****ing ****** and not worthy of an opinion. thats what your saying right? :facepalm:
Man, you just wished a horrible injury on a player, and you're trying to defend it? That right there is another problem. You don't have to like the guy, bt seriously?

SteBO
02-07-2011, 03:56 PM
Bosh is not a tough guy and thats not who he is, so Durant saying that is stupid.

Also looking thru your posts here on PSD everyone one of them is something negative aganist the HEAT.
Don't bother with him. He's just another hater with nothing smart to say with any sort of substance. Ignore him.

TheDiggler
02-07-2011, 03:57 PM
I don't hate him. I never have. I even bought his shoes (not 'cause I'm a fan, they just look fly in grey in purple). I have huge respect for his bball-skills ... I only "hate" him when he gets on fire against my team or something like that. I've never hated any NBA Player, never will. I dislike some though ...

godolphins
02-07-2011, 03:59 PM
Man, you just wished a horrible injury on a player, and you're trying to defend it? That right there is another problem. You don't have to like the guy, bt seriously?

That guy is probably a liitle kid whose trying to get some attention

Avenged
02-07-2011, 03:59 PM
The all hated team would consist of Rose, Kobe, Lebron, Garnett, ???

Lol just came to my head right now.

SteBO
02-07-2011, 04:00 PM
The all hated team would consist of Rose, Kobe, Lebron, Garnett, ???

Lol just came to my head right now.
The C should probably be Shaq. At least to me.

levignjw
02-07-2011, 04:01 PM
Never hated him as a player because he's absolutely dominant. I just think he's a douche.

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 04:01 PM
Bosh is not a tough guy and thats not who he is, so Durant saying that is stupid.

Also looking thru your posts here on PSD everyone one of them is something negative aganist the HEAT.

Your point!

D1JM
02-07-2011, 04:01 PM
The all hated team would consist of Rose, Kobe, Lebron, Garnett, ???

Lol just came to my head right now.

I would put Noah at center

SteBO
02-07-2011, 04:02 PM
I would put Noah at center
This too.

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 04:03 PM
Don't bother with him. He's just another hater with nothing smart to say with any sort of substance. Ignore him.

Wow! Thanks SteBO for your lessons on PSD maturity. Can't wait for your next GENIUS remark. We're all philistines in your eyes.

RZZZA
02-07-2011, 04:04 PM
The all hated team would consist of Rose, Kobe, Lebron, Garnett, ???

Lol just came to my head right now.

Rose isn't really hated by anyone outside of this forum though, and even then, it's only because us Bulls fans talk about him all the time and it annoys other people

SteBO
02-07-2011, 04:04 PM
Wow! Thanks SteBO for your lessons on PSD maturity. Can't wait for your next GENIUS remark. We're all philistines in your eyes.
;) You're welcome

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 04:05 PM
Man, you just wished a horrible injury on a player, and you're trying to defend it? That right there is another problem. You don't have to like the guy, bt seriously?

i can see why that might upset you. i should've been more conscious of Heat fans feelings being hurt. listen, i said what other people are thinking but don't have the balls to say. i'm not the only one that wishes an injury on Lebron as horrible as that may sound.

the title of this thread is "Is Lebron still widely hated?", you must've expected at least a couple responses like mine. at least i don't just make the comment and bounce. I'm still here, and i meant what i said. this isn't the Heat forum.

thekmp211
02-07-2011, 04:07 PM
i expect his popularity arch to mirror kobe's. he's still widely disliked, hated may be too strong a word but people don't like him. i don't dislike him personally, i just think he's understandably an egomaniac who also has questionable people surrounding him.

one day, though, his career achievements will pile up to a point where he will command respect. i'm of the opinion he deserves it already, but eventually it will come.

SteBO
02-07-2011, 04:07 PM
i can see why that might upset you. i should've been more conscious of Heat fans feelings being hurt. listen, i said what other people are thinking but don't have the balls to say. i'm not the only one that wishes an injury on Lebron as horrible as that may sound.

the title of this thread is "Is Lebron still widely hated?", you must've expected at least a couple responses like mine. at least i don't just make the comment and bounce. I'm still here, and i meant what i said. this isn't the Heat forum.
I commend you for not bouncing, and I'm well aware this isn't the Heat forum. However, that doesn't make what you said right by any stretch of the imagination. That's all I'm going to say on that.

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 04:07 PM
;) You're welcome

Any time chief!

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 04:11 PM
That guy is probably a liitle kid whose trying to get some attention

:cry: my feelings are hurt.
if your theory is that i'm out for attention, why would you bother quoting me? Q: how does that make sense? A: it doesn't.

godolphins
02-07-2011, 04:13 PM
i can see why that might upset you. i should've been more conscious of Heat fans feelings being hurt. listen, i said what other people are thinking but don't have the balls to say. i'm not the only one that wishes an injury on Lebron as horrible as that may sound.

the title of this thread is "Is Lebron still widely hated?", you must've expected at least a couple responses like mine. at least i don't just make the comment and bounce. I'm still here, and i meant what i said. this isn't the Heat forum.


:cry: my feelings are hurt.
if your theory is that i'm out for attention, why would you bother quoting me? Q: how does that make sense? A: it doesn't.

Settle down there tough guy
http://images.whatport80.com/images/0/0e/Itg_quarterly.jpg

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 04:14 PM
I commend you for not bouncing, and I'm well aware this isn't the Heat forum. However, that doesn't make what you said right by any stretch of the imagination. That's all I'm going to say on that.

right as in morally right? yea, maybe not. but thats not why we are here. there is almost nothing morally right about modern sports entertainment and it goings on. thats not why we watch sports.

Sox72
02-07-2011, 04:15 PM
When people say stuff like that, they have no right to judge other people's character.

Classless.

Kobe and Jordan are undoubtedly worse human beings than LeBron. Jordan cheated on his wife, had gambling problems, was an abrasive teammate, got coaches fired, was manipulative...and so on. Pretty sure LeBron knows better to do any of those things. And we all know Kobe's charachter flaws.

Again, the stuff we criticize LeBron for is just silly. His character flaws aren't character flaws when observed in anyone that isn't one of the 10 most famous Americans. They're normal and acceptable. But when it is someone so high up, and someone that is polarizing for whatever reasons...they become punishable sins it seems like.

That has nothing to do with the point I was making. I was in no way inferring that MJ was a better human being. I was responding to the point made that he is only booed because he is the best.

baghdadbob
02-07-2011, 04:17 PM
Is being on the down-lo a character flaw?

Sox72
02-07-2011, 04:17 PM
Im actually starting to hear some cheers after made baskets. In time people will not hate the HEAT because they play the game the right way.

The only players i dislike are players like Noah and KG. They talk trash and they are really not that tough.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to categorize Noah with KG.

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 04:17 PM
Settle down there tough guy
http://images.whatport80.com/images/0/0e/Itg_quarterly.jpg
lmao. thats actually funny.

godolphins
02-07-2011, 04:18 PM
lmao. thats actually funny.

Well that's your persona

macc
02-07-2011, 04:20 PM
The hate for Lebron isn't just about him being the best. Yes people do and will always hate on the best but Lebron hate is different, and alot of it is justified. I think it's mainly because he comes off as a big douchbag.

I was around through the entire Jordan era and part of the Bird/Magic era. Jordan was hated very little. The whole Jordan theme was "If I could be like Mike." 99% of the hate Jordan got was because of his dominance alone, not attitude and snide comments he made. Whereas in Lerbons case, you got him saying things like he got hated on more during free agency because he's black and all that stuff. It just shows his ignorance.

Lebron is young so maybe he'll grow out of it, maybe he won't. None of us can really judge him all that much because we don't know how we would act being hyped that much at such a young age when you're still trying to grow into an adult (which he wasn't). I can see how somone can get an ego (doesn't mean it's justified though).

You look at the Boston Celtics, alot of fans hate them because they are a great team, but noone hates Ray Allen because the guy is as classy as they come. On the other hand you have Kevin Garnett who is also a douchbag, if not more than Lebron. Noone is going to doubt their skill, but at the same time, when players aren't classy, people are going to see right through it and show their dislike for the player.

Sox72
02-07-2011, 04:20 PM
Um... bucko, that's not what my post was about.

My post was about the uptight narcissistic jerkwads who make sports talk so serious they come online and use curse words, exclamation marks, and spew deep emotional hatred like their life depended on it.

Many people here who dislike LeBron, just simply do just that-- dislike LeBron. I find it's mainly Knicks and Bulls fans who let that dislike carry over into an actual "hate", and are actually "mad", and get maddened so much they post the nonsense they do online.

Do you consider all of your posts unbiased and sensical?

RZZZA
02-07-2011, 04:21 PM
I dislike Kevin Garnett more then Lebron. Anyone who hits guys nuts in a game (and doesn't get punished for it), I'll hate more.

You don't even do that in an MMA match, let alone a basketball game.

RZZZA
02-07-2011, 04:22 PM
does anyone else think the all star game would be more interesting if Lebron didn't play?


Like just by the fact that Lebron is playing, people think the East will win.

sunsfan88
02-07-2011, 04:23 PM
I only hate him for doing 'The Decision."

If he just left CLE for Miami without doing that crap, I'd be completely cool with it.

Kashmir13579
02-07-2011, 04:23 PM
Well that's your persona

your a funny guy. thats why you joined around the same time i did and have more than double my posts. its cause your so clever and funny. has anyone ever told you that? i would love to look at your post record (not really) and see exactly how many of those posts are engaging someone in an arguement/baiting and how many are actually sports related. i'm inclined to think that there is a substantial differential between the two.

godolphins
02-07-2011, 04:23 PM
The hate for Lebron isn't just about him being the best. Yes people do and will always hate on the best but Lebron hate is different, and alot of it is justified. I think it's mainly because he comes off as a big douchbag.

I was around through the entire Jordan era and part of the Bird/Magic era. Jordan was hated very little. The whole Jordan theme was "If I could be like Mike." 99% of the hate Jordan got was because of his dominance alone, not attitude and snide comments he made. Whereas in Lerbons case, you got him saying things like he got hated on more during free agency because he's black and all that stuff. It just shows his ignorance.

Lebron is young so maybe he'll grow out of it, maybe he won't. None of us can really judge him all that much because we don't know how we would act being hyped that much at such a young age when you're still trying to grow into an adult (which he wasn't). I can see how somone can get an ego (doesn't mean it's justified though).

You look at the Boston Celtics, alot of fans hate them because they are a great team, but noone hates Ray Allen because the guy is as classy as they come. On the other hand you have Kevin Garnett who is also a douchbag, if not more than Lebron. Noone is going to doubt their skill, but at the same time, when players aren't classy, people are going to see right through it and show their dislike for the player.

He didn't say he got hated because he was black but he said that was part of it and I agree with him, racism always exist. He even RT some racial tweets he got

And you can say the same thing for Wade as you did for Ray Allen

Sox72
02-07-2011, 04:26 PM
He didn't say he got hated because he was black but he said that was part of it and I agree with him, racism always exist. He even RT some racial tweets he got

And you can say the same thing for Wade as you did for Ray Allen

I agree with this. But by agreeing, aren't you in a way admitting that LBJ and Bosh are pricks?

SteBO
02-07-2011, 04:28 PM
ManRam -- what's the point of defending the douchebag?
It's because people make LeBron out to be the worst human being on this site, and for what? Nothing, just an ill-fated ESPN program. Did he kill someone? Did he cheat on his wife, girlfriend in his case? Did he rob a damn bank? No, no, and......wait for it......NO! I think it's time get over it already. It's sickening to no end. Rip me on this all you want, bt it's the truth.

RZZZA
02-07-2011, 04:31 PM
why the hell does everyone care when athletes cheat on their wives/girlfriends? lol, i'll never figure that out. They act like its such a moral sin. bunch of busy bodies...

SteBO
02-07-2011, 04:32 PM
why the hell does everyone care when athletes cheat on their wives/girlfriends? lol, i'll never figure that out. They act like its such a moral sin. bunch of busy bodies...
Just giving examples of much worse actions than LeBron did. That's it.

Sox72
02-07-2011, 04:32 PM
why the hell does everyone care when athletes cheat on their wives/girlfriends? lol, i'll never figure that out. They act like its such a moral sin. bunch of busy bodies...

I wonder how many people that bring that up have cheated on someone at one point. I especially wonder how many of them would do it if they were famous.

RZZZA
02-07-2011, 04:33 PM
thats true, Lebron is never in trouble with the law, he's not a bad guy off the court. People dislike him due to his personality and character though.

macc
02-07-2011, 04:33 PM
He didn't say he got hated because he was black but he said that was part of it and I agree with him, racism always exist. He even RT some racial tweets he got

And you can say the same thing for Wade as you did for Ray Allen


You're right, he did say it was part of it and I didn't agree with that statement whatsoever. If it was a pie chart and the people who actually hated on him primarily because of his race, it wwould of been well below 1%.

And yes, you can say the exact same thing for D Wade. He's classy, he's the top 1-3 player in the league and yet he doesn't get the hate that Lebron does because of how he presents himself.

It's like most of us have that guy who we work with that we can't stand beause of their attitude but they do a great job with their work. You can respect a guys work without having to like him. There's nothing wrong with that.

godolphins
02-07-2011, 04:33 PM
your a funny guy. thats why you joined around the same time i did and have more than double my posts. its cause your so clever and funny. has anyone ever told you that? i would love to look at your post record (not really) and see exactly how many of those posts are engaging someone in an arguement/baiting and how many are actually sports related. i'm inclined to think that there is a substantial differential between the two.

What do my post count have anything to do with this? What if I post a lot :shrug: I have a web enable phone with full html so yeah I can access this site and post whenever. And yes I argue with a lot of people(on topic) and that's because how this site work, if everyone didn't have argument here and there this site would be useless. And if I were baiting/insulting people on here excessivily don't you think I would of got ban a bunch of time already. If you want to check my ban history go check in the village of the banned forum

The only time I really get riled up is when people are bashing the Dolphins, the Heat or Lebron

SteBO
02-07-2011, 04:34 PM
thats true, Lebron is never in trouble with the law, he's not a bad guy off the court. People dislike him due to his personality and character though.
That's fine. As i said, you don't have to like the guy, bt the immense hate for him is silly.

pedrofan45
02-07-2011, 04:36 PM
Haha this Kashmir guy is hilarious.. He sounds like a ten year old :laugh:

Honestly, Lebron is the best player in the world. And no one can doubt that. We should consider ourselves lucky to watch a player with his skills. Do I think Lebron is immature? Yes, but almost every NBA player is immature.

It's ridiculous of how much hate Knicks and Bulls fans have for Lebron. Haha you guys are just bitter that you didn't get the best player in the world on your team. As a Celtics fan, I too have hate for Lebron. But I'm not going to let my hate for him determine on what I think of him as a basketball player. All you Bulls and Knicks fans can ***** and moan about how you hate Lebron, but while you're doing that he's probably going to be droppin 50+ on you.

Haha I also find it funny that Heat fans thought Wade was ever better than Lebron. The guy is the greatest athlete we've ever seen, I just wish the Celtics had him. I don't know why fans would ever wish injury on a guy. I want to see as many exciting athletes as possible. I'm a fan of the game. I like watching Kobe, but absolutely HATE the guy. I think he's a terrible person. But I would NEVER wish injury on him, because he's fun to watch. And that's all these NBA players are for. We just WATCH them, they have no impact on our lives. People really need to understand that.

mark1125
02-07-2011, 04:38 PM
Don't hate Lebron as much as I do the REPEATED and pointless threads by those who rub one out everytime there is a Lebron thread. Seriously......why?

I think he probably took a crap today. Why don't you make a thread about it. Maybe he had wheaties for breakfast. That must be thread worthy. Maybe he watched "The View". Lets discuss which lady is his favorite.

RZZZA
02-07-2011, 04:38 PM
I think it's kind of strange, but I think a lot of people dislike lebron because his presence on the court takes away a lot of the competition from the game. Lebron is such a dominant player, probably the most dominant player ever to play in the NBA, and the fact that he went to the Heat with two other great players just compounds that fact and further reinforces my point that people dislike him for taking a lot of the competition away from basketball.

Again, look at the all-star game, I think it would be a more interesting game if Lebron sat out.

D1JM
02-07-2011, 04:39 PM
He didn't say he got hated because he was black but he said that was part of it and I agree with him, racism always exist. He even RT some racial tweets he got

And you can say the same thing for Wade as you did for Ray Allen

You really think racism is a part for people disliking lebrons's "decision?"

Also, it's kinda stupid to re-tweet hate tweets so people can see what he reads. You don't think other athletes, political figures, artist, actors get those? People probably wanted their 5 second fame so they wrote a hate tweet to lebron on purpose.

godolphins
02-07-2011, 04:49 PM
I agree with this. But by agreeing, aren't you in a way admitting that LBJ and Bosh are pricks?

Lebron isn't a people person and Bosh isn't hated that much

You really think racism is a part for people disliking lebrons's "decision?"

Also, it's kinda stupid to re-tweet hate tweets so people can see what he reads. You don't think other athletes, political figures, artist, actors get those? People probably wanted their 5 second fame so they wrote a hate tweet to lebron on purpose.

Some of them RT it
check out Maurice Jones Drews twitter account where he was RT death threats sent to

turnaround3
02-07-2011, 04:51 PM
I love when people say Lebron is a better person than Jordan ever was.

Michael gambled! (gasp)

Dude had/has hundreds of millions of dollars. He wants to drop 50 or 100k on a single hole of golf or spin of the roulette wheel, who gives a ****? Who is that negatively impacting? He can spend his cash however the hell he wants.

But he cheated on his wife!

Proof? There's been mounds of media speculation on that subject for decades but nothing ever substantial. 95% of these pro athletes are as promiscuous as possible, but Michael happened to be the greatest to ever play his (arguably any) sport, so he had to deal with the constant meddling and attempted destruction of his name by those who wanted to try and do so.

Lebron knocked up his girlfriend at age 19. Ever hear about that? Nah.

One of the key differences between the two is people want to hate Lebron because of how much he brings it on himself. He knows how good he is, and he wants everyone else to both acknowledge that talent as well as tell him how great a person he is. That was never Jordan. He just wanted the championships. He didn't care if you thought he was a great guy and he never pined for it. As a result, he's pretty universally loved because of the combination of unbelievable skill and success, coupled with him not pandering to any particular audience.

It's already been said but when you transcend an entire sport the way Michael Jordan does, it doesn't just entitle you to some luxuries, it also brings a spotlight so bright few can handle it without crumbling under the pressure of what's thought of them.

Others though are anointed from the onset, and while their "talent" may actually live up to the hype, it becomes a whole hell of a lot easier to crack under the pressure when the team success just isn't happening.

Despite all his other accolades, nowhere near enough credit is given to Michael Jordan for the composure he maintained in being the greatest of all time at his sport.

None whatsoever is given to Lebron James. And deservedly so.

D1JM
02-07-2011, 04:54 PM
Lebron isn't a people person and Bosh isn't hated that much


Some of them RT it
check out Maurice Jones Drews twitter account where he was RT death threats sent to

It's just stupid people wanting their 5 seconds of fame and some people are helping them out by making a poor decision of RT.

pedrofan45
02-07-2011, 04:55 PM
I love when people say Lebron is a better person than Jordan ever was.

Michael gambled! (gasp)

Dude had/has hundreds of millions of dollars. He wants to drop 50 or 100k on a single hole of golf or spin of the roulette wheel, who gives a ****? Who is that negatively impacting? He can spend his cash however the hell he wants.

But he cheated on his wife!

Proof? There's been mounds of media speculation on that subject for decades but nothing ever substantial. 95% of these pro athletes are as promiscuous as possible, but Michael happened to be the greatest to ever play his (arguably any) sport, so he had to deal with the constant meddling and attempted destruction of his name by those who wanted to try and do so.

Lebron knocked up his girlfriend at age 19. Ever hear about that? Nah.

One of the key differences between the two is people want to hate Lebron because of how much he brings it on himself. He knows how good he is, and he wants everyone else to both acknowledge that talent as well as tell him how great a person he is. That was never Jordan. He just wanted the championships. He didn't care if you thought he was a great guy and he never pined for it. As a result, he's pretty universally loved because of the combination of unbelievable skill and success, coupled with him not pandering to any particular audience.

It's already been said but when you transcend an entire sport the way Michael Jordan does, it doesn't just entitle you to some luxuries, it also brings a spotlight so bright few can handle it without crumbling under the pressure of what's thought of them.

Others though are anointed from the onset, and while their "talent" may actually live up to the hype, it becomes a whole hell of a lot easier to crack under the pressure when the team success just isn't happening.

Despite all his other accolades, nowhere near enough credit is given to Michael Jordan for the composure he maintained in being the greatest of all time at his sport.

None whatsoever is given to Lebron James. And deservedly so.

And if the Bulls got Lebron you wouldn't be saying any of this.

Sox72
02-07-2011, 04:57 PM
And if the Bulls got Lebron you wouldn't be saying any of this.

Great response.

pedrofan45
02-07-2011, 04:59 PM
Great response.

Haha but aren't I right? Please, you would be defending Lebron too. Just like I defend KG, just like the Heat fans defend James.

FlashMacker
02-07-2011, 05:01 PM
I love when people say Lebron is a better person than Jordan ever was.

Michael gambled! (gasp)

Dude had/has hundreds of millions of dollars. He wants to drop 50 or 100k on a single hole of golf or spin of the roulette wheel, who gives a ****? Who is that negatively impacting? He can spend his cash however the hell he wants.

But he cheated on his wife!

Proof? There's been mounds of media speculation on that subject for decades but nothing ever substantial. 95% of these pro athletes are as promiscuous as possible, but Michael happened to be the greatest to ever play his (arguably any) sport, so he had to deal with the constant meddling and attempted destruction of his name by those who wanted to try and do so.

Lebron knocked up his girlfriend at age 19. Ever hear about that? Nah.

One of the key differences between the two is people want to hate Lebron because of how much he brings it on himself. He knows how good he is, and he wants everyone else to both acknowledge that talent as well as tell him how great a person he is. That was never Jordan. He just wanted the championships. He didn't care if you thought he was a great guy and he never pined for it. As a result, he's pretty universally loved because of the combination of unbelievable skill and success, coupled with him not pandering to any particular audience.

It's already been said but when you transcend an entire sport the way Michael Jordan does, it doesn't just entitle you to some luxuries, it also brings a spotlight so bright few can handle it without crumbling under the pressure of what's thought of them.

Others though are anointed from the onset, and while their "talent" may actually live up to the hype, it becomes a whole hell of a lot easier to crack under the pressure when the team success just isn't happening.

Despite all his other accolades, nowhere near enough credit is given to Michael Jordan for the composure he maintained in being the greatest of all time at his sport.

None whatsoever is given to Lebron James. And deservedly so.



He wasn't cheating on her though. What I'm saying here is that LeBron isn't a bad person (you never hear him getting in trouble off the court) and I think a lot of the reason people hate him is because he almost always has something arrogant to say

Malz28
02-07-2011, 05:03 PM
Hate is a very strong word. I think a lot of people didn't like the way he handled things during free agency. I can't stand all the dick eating Heat fans that didn't even watch basketball before all this and now are all nut hugging the team.

D1JM
02-07-2011, 05:03 PM
And if the Bulls got Lebron you wouldn't be saying any of this.

A lot of bulls fans didn't want lebron at all

Sox72
02-07-2011, 05:04 PM
Haha but aren't I right? Please, you would be defending Lebron too. Just like I defend KG, just like the Heat fans defend James.

Yes, I would be defending Lebron. Just like I defend AJ Pierzynski. However, I can admit that he's an *******.

I don't understand that point in relation to yourself, though.

SteBO
02-07-2011, 05:05 PM
A lot of bulls fans didn't want lebron at all
And a lot of Bulls fans did want him. So what's your point exactly?

pedrofan45
02-07-2011, 05:05 PM
A lot of bulls fans didn't want lebron at all

:laugh: that is absolutely hilarious

D1JM
02-07-2011, 05:05 PM
He wasn't cheating on her though. What I'm saying here is that LeBron isn't a bad person (you never hear him getting in trouble off the court) and I think a lot of the reason people hate him is because he almost always has something arrogant to say

This.

Sox72
02-07-2011, 05:07 PM
And a lot of Bulls fans did want him. So what's your point exactly?

I've failed to see the point in this entire exchange of posts.

(on a sidenote: I didn't expect you, of all Heat fans, to come in the Bulls forum and place a vote just to get a reaction....)

SteBO
02-07-2011, 05:09 PM
I've failed to see the point in this entire exchange of posts.

(on a sidenote: I didn't expect you, of all Heat fans, to come in the Bulls forum and place a vote just to get a reaction....)
:confused:

D1JM
02-07-2011, 05:10 PM
:laugh: that is absolutely hilarious

A lot of them couldn't stand him because of his cockyness on the court, especially when he started dancing on the court against the bulls.

SteBO
02-07-2011, 05:12 PM
A lot of them couldn't stand him because of his cockyness on the court, especially when he started dancing on the court against the bulls.
:rolleyes: Sorry, but if that's there reasoning, there is a problem. LeBron makes the Bulls vaslty superior to most teams in the league, so I find it hard enough for Bulls fans to not want him, but to not want for that? Okay. :shrug:

pedrofan45
02-07-2011, 05:14 PM
Yes, I would be defending Lebron. Just like I defend AJ Pierzynski. However, I can admit that he's an *******.

I don't understand that point in relation to yourself, though.

It was just an example because a lot of people hate on KG and I'm always defending him saying I like him because he's a good player and our team wouldn't be nearly as good without him... He's an a**ho**, but he's our a**h*** :D

And that's good that you can admit that. And honestly, I wouldn't blame you for hating him more because he didn't choose the Bulls.. I'd be bitter too :shrug: I just find it funny that some Bulls fans try to say they never wanted him in the first place. They would have been absolutely stacked, and the fans would have loved every minute of it.

godolphins
02-07-2011, 05:16 PM
I love when people say Lebron is a better person than Jordan ever was.

Michael gambled! (gasp)

Dude had/has hundreds of millions of dollars. He wants to drop 50 or 100k on a single hole of golf or spin of the roulette wheel, who gives a ****? Who is that negatively impacting? He can spend his cash however the hell he wants.

But he cheated on his wife!

Proof? There's been mounds of media speculation on that subject for decades but nothing ever substantial. 95% of these pro athletes are as promiscuous as possible, but Michael happened to be the greatest to ever play his (arguably any) sport, so he had to deal with the constant meddling and attempted destruction of his name by those who wanted to try and do so.

Lebron knocked up his girlfriend at age 19. Ever hear about that? Nah.
One of the key differences between the two is people want to hate Lebron because of how much he brings it on himself. He knows how good he is, and he wants everyone else to both acknowledge that talent as well as tell him how great a person he is. That was never Jordan. He just wanted the championships. He didn't care if you thought he was a great guy and he never pined for it. As a result, he's pretty universally loved because of the combination of unbelievable skill and success, coupled with him not pandering to any particular audience.

It's already been said but when you transcend an entire sport the way Michael Jordan does, it doesn't just entitle you to some luxuries, it also brings a spotlight so bright few can handle it without crumbling under the pressure of what's thought of them.

Others though are anointed from the onset, and while their "talent" may actually live up to the hype, it becomes a whole hell of a lot easier to crack under the pressure when the team success just isn't happening.

Despite all his other accolades, nowhere near enough credit is given to Michael Jordan for the composure he maintained in being the greatest of all time at his sport.

None whatsoever is given to Lebron James. And deservedly so.

:laugh:
You're mad at Lebron for ****ing his girlfriend(who hes still with) and getting her pregnant, and for for taking care of her as in "me and my kids are going to be rich for the rest of our lives"

That lady can buy and do whatever she wants, if she want she can buy PSD

D1JM
02-07-2011, 05:16 PM
:rolleyes: Sorry, but if that's there reasoning, there is a problem. LeBron makes the Bulls vaslty superior to most teams in the league, so I find it hard enough for Bulls fans to not want him, but to not want for that? Okay. :shrug:

Did you see that game?

pedrofan45
02-07-2011, 05:17 PM
A lot of them couldn't stand him because of his cockyness on the court, especially when he started dancing on the court against the bulls.

haha oh yeah? Are you saying that people aren't going to want Lebron on their team because he's COCKY? That is such a dumb thing to say.. Rose is cocky as ****, Dwight Howard is cocky as ****, Kobe, JORDAN... Please dude, just stop, that is such a dumb argument

SteBO
02-07-2011, 05:18 PM
Did you see that game?
Yeah, I did and that's a ridiculous reason for not wanting LeBron of all players on their team. Bulls fans would have been excited to have LeBron on their team. There's no denying that.

kjoke
02-07-2011, 05:18 PM
i hate how people say that they dont like him because of the decision. ********! if he hadnt done the special then youd hate him for other reasons and so on. Plz, i find it funny how majority of posters that don't like him are the fans of the teams he didnt sign for. Hindsight is 20/20 only dislike the person when you find out he didnt go to your team

JordansBulls
02-07-2011, 05:19 PM
People will always hate him. It comes with the territory of being the best in the game. Everything is scrutinized and blown up so much more. People will continue to find small reasons that justify their hate.

People dislike him the way he went about creating a TV show about where he will go and the fact he left to go play with a top 3 player when he himself was considered the best in the league. Simply put if you are the best in the business, people do not like the idea of you going to play with another top 3 player in the league in order to win.

SteBO
02-07-2011, 05:20 PM
People dislike him the way he went about creating a TV show about where he will go and the fact he left to go play with a top 3 player when he himself was considered the best in the league. Simply put if you are the best in the business, people do not like the idea of you going to play with another top 3 player in the league in order to win.
Again, it's a stupid reason to despise a person. It's childish and petty.

dtmagnet
02-07-2011, 05:21 PM
I didn't even like him in Cleveland, its not hate I just don't respect him.

Sox72
02-07-2011, 05:21 PM
It was just an example because a lot of people hate on KG and I'm always defending him saying I like him because he's a good player and our team wouldn't be nearly as good without him... He's an a**ho**, but he's our a**h*** :D

And that's good that you can admit that. And honestly, I wouldn't blame you for hating him more because he didn't choose the Bulls.. I'd be bitter too :shrug: I just find it funny that some Bulls fans try to say they never wanted him in the first place. They would have been absolutely stacked, and the fans would have loved every minute of it.

You're damn right I wanted him on my team. But I don't dislike him because I'm bitter. I dislike him because of the way a lot of things have played out.


i hate how people say that they dont like him because of the decision. ********! if he hadnt done the special then youd hate him for other reasons and so on. Plz, i find it funny how majority of posters that don't like him are the fans of the teams he didnt sign for. Hindsight is 20/20 only dislike the person when you find out he didnt go to your team

I think the point is that he is giving more reasons than just the decision to dislike him.

D1JM
02-07-2011, 05:22 PM
haha oh yeah? Are you saying that people aren't going to want Lebron on their team because he's COCKY? That is such a dumb thing to say.. Rose is cocky as ****, Dwight Howard is cocky as ****, Kobe, JORDAN... Please dude, just stop, that is such a dumb argument

Did I say I didn't want lebron?

turnaround3
02-07-2011, 05:22 PM
And if the Bulls got Lebron you wouldn't be saying any of this.

Nah. I've hated Lebron forever. I knew if he came here he'd suppress Rose's development and I feel completely vindicated in that belief now.

And the point about getting his lady pregnant as a teenager wasn't to suggest it was some criminal act. Infact, you're making my point for me.

You don't hear about these things coming up because nobody wants to condemn Lebron for his off the court activities? Why? Because nobody cares. Lebron wants to be hailed as the greatest of all-time, and he hasn't won anything yet. That's what people hate, and that's what people hate on.

Michael was the greatest of all-time, and just kept winning championships. There was nothing you could criticize him on the court for, so haters (the few that there were) had to turn to gambling and other meaningless, completely irrelevant crap.

Nice try though. A for effort but that's all you've got so far. Maybe you and Lebron have more in common than you thought.

jzero
02-07-2011, 05:22 PM
was jordan hated as the best before he retired?
perhaps lebron will be loved when he retires

Clutch™
02-07-2011, 05:24 PM
LeBron was my fave player, but when he started messing up the Pistons he pissed me off, so I hated him, now I hate him 1000x as much, and never will like him.

bledrules
02-07-2011, 05:26 PM
I hate ego-maniacs and he is by far the worst that ever stepped on a basketball court so to answer your question yes he is still hated

SeoulBeatz
02-07-2011, 05:28 PM
I don't hate Lebron.

I just hoped he and Bosh would team up in Cleveland and Wade and Amare would team up in Miami.

Lebron just doesn't look right in a heat uniform and i have to say my perception of him has forever changed. He is blatantly the most dominant player in the game, but I don't know, I wish he stayed in Cleveland and resurrected a city that drastically needed him, not to a city that needs to be REMINDED to WATCH the actual games!

it is true that he'll never be better than Jordan though, dont know if he cares too much but the way this all unfolded was kind of lame.

The Jokemaker
02-07-2011, 05:29 PM
Lebron is a great player but after his antics I can't stand the guy. He's an egotistical primadonna who thinks the world is about him with seemingly no class which the past summer and his actions have shown the world. Screw him, hope he never wins a title.

Slimsim
02-07-2011, 05:44 PM
I don't hate Lebron. I just hate the heat fanbase.

0nekhmer
02-07-2011, 05:49 PM
i liked him, but lost a lot of respect for him. don't hate him just don't like him either

yangx620
02-07-2011, 05:58 PM
i still think he will always be hated for that stunt he did...but people will never put him in the michael jordan, magic johnson and larry bird class...kinda sad for him cause he is so talented

probably a wilkins guy

yangx620
02-07-2011, 05:59 PM
i liked him, but lost a lot of respect for him. don't hate him just don't like him either

agreed

yangx620
02-07-2011, 06:01 PM
I don't hate Lebron.

I just hoped he and Bosh would team up in Cleveland and Wade and Amare would team up in Miami.

Lebron just doesn't look right in a heat uniform and i have to say my perception of him has forever changed. He is blatantly the most dominant player in the game, but I don't know, I wish he stayed in Cleveland and resurrected a city that drastically needed him, not to a city that needs to be REMINDED to WATCH the actual games!

it is true that he'll never be better than Jordan though, dont know if he cares too much but the way this all unfolded was kind of lame.



he will never be better than jordan since he went to the heat...he has all the tools to be the greatest of all time, but now he will prob be a what if kinda guy, i just hope one day when he is a little bit older and wiser, he should come play for cavs...cause i will forever see him as a cav not a heat

madiaz3
02-07-2011, 06:03 PM
Wait...so winning makes you both a better human being and less hated? This logic is terrible. You hate him because he hasn't won? You don't care than Kobe and Jordan were far worse human beings than LeBron because they won a few championships? Seriously???

Jordan was still ringless at LeBron's current age too, for the record.

Don't act like Roethlisberger wouldn't have been redeemed had he actually won yesterday, people felt like Vick was redeemed and it was only the regular season.

GeekInThePink
02-07-2011, 06:14 PM
I don't hate him, just lost a lot of respect for him.

goose15
02-07-2011, 06:15 PM
I was a big fan of Lebron on the Cavs, but now I cant stand him.. :mad:

Venomous88
02-07-2011, 06:16 PM
There's a lot of reasons for people to hate LeBron. As one of the best or the best player of the game depending who you talk to, people have expectations for how you should handle yourself. They want the best to be humble and not taking advantage of their talents to where it hurts others that are affected. LeBron definitely hasn't been charged of a crime, cheated on his wife, became infected with HIV, yet he is still the most hated basketball player in the world today? Why?

All because he did something an athlete of his caliber has never done. A lot of people can't understand "the Decision" because it's never been seen before while the aforementioned acts are common amongst many athletes today. Since many can't relate, they start reaching for reasons to hate a man that has had a clean record outside of his usual egocentric comments and hummer situation. LeBron has been the same person yet everything he says now has that much emphasis and gives people more fuel to hate him when he's been saying the same arrogant content his whole career.

As for the hate now, it has digressed as people start to see why he left with Cleveland breaking losing records and the Heat expectedly a top 5 in the league and a legit title contender come playoff time. However, the loss of respect will always be there because of the whole "Decision" no matter how many rings he gets. Does that mean you should judge one of greatest players to play off one tv special while Kobe, Jordan, and Magic have all have had a chance to redeem themselves in the public eye when their off courts anctics are considered much worse by societial standards?

JackAttackJack
02-07-2011, 06:17 PM
LeBron is a jerk. Simple. Made promises and bailed. Then he tried to turn it into a race issue. What the majority of the world does not know is the cavaliers foolishly catered to his every need (there is a long list of what Dan Gilbert did for him). One thing, they built the world's best basketball facility near by his house, so he would not be inconvenienced to drive all the way to Cleveland, but the rest of the team had to drive to him. Two, he didn't give his teammates/brothers/family any clue as to what he was doing, which is horrid. If he had any respect for the City, he would not have thrown it under the bus. So he flees to Miami to have Wade attempt to win him a ring or two, but it will not happen. The Western Conference will always be stronger than the Heat, and right now, the Celtics dominate the East.

But to the question...LeBron will forever be hated by Cavalier Faithful's. The rest of the country may not hate him, but he will always be a player that is asteriked in everyone's minds except Heat fans.

JackAttackJack
02-07-2011, 06:20 PM
LeBron can't cheat on his wife, he ain't married. And he won't marry his baby momma so he can hook up with any loose woman he wants. Where else better than South Beach? There is about 6 thong bikini's every square foot...the pickin is MUCH better than anywhere else in the world.

goose15
02-07-2011, 06:21 PM
LeBron is a jerk. Simple. Made promises and bailed. Then he tried to turn it into a race issue. What the majority of the world does not know is the cavaliers foolishly catered to his every need (there is a long list of what Dan Gilbert did for him). One thing, they built the world's best basketball facility near by his house, so he would not be inconvenienced to drive all the way to Cleveland, but the rest of the team had to drive to him. Two, he didn't give his teammates/brothers/family any clue as to what he was doing, which is horrid. If he had any respect for the City, he would not have thrown it under the bus. So he flees to Miami to have Wade attempt to win him a ring or two, but it will not happen. The Western Conference will always be stronger than the Heat, and right now, the Celtics dominate the East.

But to the question...LeBron will forever be hated by Cavalier Faithful's. The rest of the country may not hate him, but he will always be a player that is asteriked in everyone's minds except Heat fans.

this.

sammid21
02-07-2011, 06:22 PM
Lebron had an opportunity to be better than Jordan. Im a Bulls fan and admit that he couldve been better than Jordan, but since he decided to not be competetive and join 2 other all stars on the Heat, he killed his legacy. i know Heat fan will call everyone a hater but the truth is, no one hates Lebron because he didnt join their team, hell i wouldve still put him the the jordan category if he wouldve joined the Knicks, Nets, or even stayed in Cleveland. As long as he is the man on his team.

Sure Jordan had Pippen, but Pip was drafted by the bulls, not traded (traded thru the draft is still the same). that is a big difference.

Heat fans should calm down on all the "all you people are haters" talk because that is childish. we arent haters we just think Lebron punked out

DwayneMVPwade
02-07-2011, 06:25 PM
Nah.

sammid21
02-07-2011, 06:33 PM
There is one thing that i do hate about Lebron, he single handedly screwed up every team that was going for him. played with teams making them get rid of players when all along he knew he was going to Miami. i guess he wanted to dismantle the competition in the east because i remember many teams getting rid of players left and right to please him and all he did was tease. good thing is that the teams recovered, except for the Nets and Cavs. i find that to be tampering on the part of Lebron, he shouldve just come out and said he was going to Miami and all those teams wouldve probably be much better than they are now. NY couldve been better, Chicago couldve had the SG they needed (hinrich) and many other senerios wouldve happened. but Lebron wanted to manipulate the league

Jonathan2323
02-07-2011, 06:35 PM
Lebron had an opportunity to be better than Jordan. Im a Bulls fan and admit that he couldve been better than Jordan, but since he decided to not be competetive and join 2 other all stars on the Heat, he killed his legacy. i know Heat fan will call everyone a hater but the truth is, no one hates Lebron because he didnt join their team, hell i wouldve still put him the the jordan category if he wouldve joined the Knicks, Nets, or even stayed in Cleveland. As long as he is the man on his team.

Sure Jordan had Pippen, but Pip was drafted by the bulls, not traded (traded thru the draft is still the same). that is a big difference.

Heat fans should calm down on all the "all you people are haters" talk because that is childish. we arent haters we just think Lebron punked out

Just hand us the title for the next 6 years, you still have to go out and win the championship. Look at all the dynasty teams in league history those team were all stacked with 3-4 all-stars.

Jonathan2323
02-07-2011, 06:38 PM
There is one thing that i do hate about Lebron, he single handedly screwed up every team that was going for him. played with teams making them get rid of players when all along he knew he was going to Miami. i guess he wanted to dismantle the competition in the east because i remember many teams getting rid of players left and right to please him and all he did was tease. good thing is that the teams recovered, except for the Nets and Cavs. i find that to be tampering on the part of Lebron, he shouldve just come out and said he was going to Miami and all those teams wouldve probably be much better than they are now. NY couldve been better, Chicago couldve had the SG they needed (hinrich) and many other senerios wouldve happened. but Lebron wanted to manipulate the league

That would have been tampering on the HEAT. Terrible post. Don't blame LeBron blame the GM's that took the risk.

magichatnumber9
02-07-2011, 06:39 PM
Hate is really the wrong word for it.

BkOriginalOne
02-07-2011, 06:42 PM
For the most part, yes.

NYYCowboys
02-07-2011, 06:43 PM
I don't hate him because I personally don't know him and it's pretty irrational to hate someone who you don't know. But I would still say that he is my least favorite player in the NBA.

sammid21
02-07-2011, 06:44 PM
Just hand us the title for the next 6 years, you still have to go out and win the championship. Look at all the dynasty teams in league history those team were all stacked with 3-4 all-stars.
you gotta realize that the teams that had 3-4 all stars is because most of them drafted those players or those players are over the hill (way over 30 years old) and i know the Heat still have to go and win the title but their chances are really good. Im sure Wade, Bosh, and James think it was going to be a walk in the park to win the title, thats why they got together. they knew they were gonna have the upper hand since all 3 of them are top 10 players.

Sox72
02-07-2011, 06:45 PM
you gotta realize that the teams that had 3-4 all stars is because most of them drafted those players or those players are over the hill (way over 30 years old) and i know the Heat still have to go and win the title but their chances are really good. Im sure Wade, Bosh, and James think it was going to be a walk in the park to win the title, thats why they got together. they knew they were gonna have the upper hand since all 3 of them are top 10 players.

Well, two of them are....

sammid21
02-07-2011, 06:51 PM
That would have been tampering on the HEAT. Terrible post. Don't blame LeBron blame the GM's that took the risk.
That wouldnt be tampering on the Heats part because Lebron was the hot commodity. Lebron knew he was going to be a Heat so why sit back and watch other teams dismantle when he knew since 2008 that he and wade were going to play together. why drag other teams along. its kind of like a girl you like lead you on and waste your money and at the end she goes back to her ex (knowing she was gonna be with the guy anyway) and you get left with the bill.

Avenged
02-07-2011, 06:55 PM
why the hell does everyone care when athletes cheat on their wives/girlfriends? lol, i'll never figure that out. They act like its such a moral sin. bunch of busy bodies...

I agree with you on this which is why I can't really hate any basketball player for personal stuff. I hate that posters on here portray themselves to be so perfect like I said in my 1st post in this thread. If people hate Lebron because the worse thing he's done is "the decision" then people are just looking for any excuse to bring someone down. I know I've done worse things than a stupid televised show, and so has 99% of posters here. There are a bunch of fallible people here it seems. :rolleyes:

kobe24>lebron23
02-07-2011, 07:00 PM
U real mad, huh?

:laugh2:

I swear, it's only a NY & Chicago thing. You guys are way too high strung.

Why do u heat fans always say u mad? It gets annoying like real talk...
And idk if Lebron is hated but he sure as hell doesn't get respect atleast not from me off the court on it sure I'll give him props even though I won't say it publicly! Oh and even if Lebron is hated he will never reach the Kobe level hatred man did he get booed after the rape case he still does just not everywhere lol oh one things for sure though new York loves them some Kobe Bryant!

BuddhaMONK
02-07-2011, 07:07 PM
yes, I ****ing hate him

ManRam
02-07-2011, 07:08 PM
Don't act like Roethlisberger wouldn't have been redeemed had he actually won yesterday, people felt like Vick was redeemed and it was only the regular season.

Redemption doesn't come on the court or on the field.

That premise is a sad one. I for one couldn't care less about what those two do on the field in terms of validating their redemption. It doesn't matter.

krazylegz
02-07-2011, 07:08 PM
there are people in miami who hate the dude...hes a douche

johnnychan
02-07-2011, 07:14 PM
Yeah for sure. He will always be one of the most hated players in the league, and I think he has accepted it.

MackSnackWrap
02-07-2011, 07:18 PM
Yeah they do. Realistically only people that should hate Lebron are Clevelanders. Dont know why anyobody else does???

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 07:19 PM
Just hand us the title for the next 6 years, you still have to go out and win the championship. Look at all the dynasty teams in league history those team were all stacked with 3-4 all-stars.

All stars being the key word. Not super stars. Asterisks.

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 07:28 PM
LeBron can't cheat on his wife, he ain't married. And he won't marry his baby momma so he can hook up with any loose woman he wants. Where else better than South Beach? There is about 6 thong bikini's every square foot...the pickin is MUCH better than anywhere else in the world.

Very true. When LeBron was in Cleveland he made frequent visits to the strip clubs and had his own private room. And it's well known he cheats on his girlfriend. So I don't see why he's better than Kobe and MJ in that regard.

championships
02-07-2011, 07:31 PM
There is only two types who like Lebron. Heat fans and Kobe haters. Other than that, everyone else I talk to, no one likes his primadonna ***.

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 07:32 PM
Yes, he's still hated. Just look at some of the ridiculous responses in this thread. I could care less if everyone hates Lebron or anyone else on the Heat, as long as we keep winning. The only thing I hate is when people criticize the Miami fan-base, saying we're all fair weather fans who started following the Heat on July 8th, 2010. That's not true, not for all of us.

knicks4life33
02-07-2011, 07:35 PM
. I respect lebrons game but dont like his image and the way he comes off

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 07:36 PM
Yes, he's still hated. Just look at some of the ridiculous responses in this thread. I could care less if everyone hates Lebron or anyone else on the Heat, as long as we keep winning. The only thing I hate is when people criticize the Miami fan-base, saying we're all fair weather fans who started following the Heat on July 8th, 2010. That's not true, not for all of us.

You're right. Not all Heat fans are fair weather fans. But some are! I think people criticize the Miami fan base because they have trouble making it to the games or staying at the games.

knicks4life33
02-07-2011, 07:36 PM
well there alot of miami fair weather posters who signed on psd daily after july2010

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 07:39 PM
All stars being the key word. Not super stars. Asterisks.

lol, yeah ok. Lebron and Wade are the first superstars to ever team up in NBA history. And please people, stop calling Bosh a superstar. I love his game, but he's an all-star.

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 07:41 PM
lol, yeah ok. Lebron and Wade are the first superstars to ever team up in NBA history. And please people, stop calling Bosh a superstar. I love his game, but he's an all-star.

Agreed. Bosh is not a super-star.

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 07:42 PM
You're right. Not all Heat fans are fair weather fans. But some are! I think people criticize the Miami fan base because they have trouble making it to the games or staying at the games.

What are you basing this on? We're top 5 in attendance. Are you simply saying this because you see a couple empty seats in the lower bowl on tv? What you fail to realize is that beneath those seats are pimp-*** lounges, complete with bars, dining, high-def tvs, comfortable sitting areas, etc. The VIP treatment. That's where people go before tipoff, and that's why they're late to return to their seats after half-time. http://www.nba.com/heat/tickets/premium_packages_home.html

h2r09
02-07-2011, 07:59 PM
people who hate him for coming to miami because he wanted to play with great players are completely dilusional.

this is essentially what you are doing, you are hating on him for not being able to win championship on a team that has 8 wins this year and also hating on him for going to the best possible chance for him to win a ring every year. face it, you just dont like the guy for THE DECISION, but dont hate on him for his choice to come here.

great double standard for jealous haters.

HoopsDrive
02-07-2011, 08:09 PM
I've never hated LeBron. In fact, after what happened in the offseason and the way he's been treated so far? I've started to appreciate him much, much more as a player. I hope he wins a championship soon to rub it in the face of all his haters. I really do. And for Wade and Bosh too.

ragee
02-07-2011, 08:19 PM
If you think LeBron is a worse human being than 80% of professional athletes, well...you're crazy.

The Decision was a terrible decision (no pun). He was against it, but his handlers convinced him to do it. He shouldn't have done it, and it just showed how vain he is. If his biggest character flaw is wanting attention, well, good for him. If guaranteeing championships to his new fan base is a testament to his character flaws, well, good for him. Those are things I'd love to have be my biggest flaws.

However, no other athlete in this world could pull off The Decision like he did with the attention he got. You can't forget that. His star power, his eliteness and the hype he gets does distort perceptions of him. He's placed on a pedestal of judgement that others never have to deal with...

True but what about the time he walked out and didn't congratulate his friend Dwight when he beat Lebron in the ECF? That was when I started to lose respect for the guy...

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 08:21 PM
What are you basing this on? We're top 5 in attendance. Are you simply saying this because you see a couple empty seats in the lower bowl on tv? What you fail to realize is that beneath those seats are pimp-*** lounges, complete with bars, dining, high-def tvs, comfortable sitting areas, etc. The VIP treatment. That's where people go before tipoff, and that's why they're late to return to their seats after half-time. http://www.nba.com/heat/tickets/premium_packages_home.html

I'm basing this on the Miami Heat organization telling it's fans to FAN UP and to make it to the games.

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 08:22 PM
What are you basing this on? We're top 5 in attendance. Are you simply saying this because you see a couple empty seats in the lower bowl on tv? What you fail to realize is that beneath those seats are pimp-*** lounges, complete with bars, dining, high-def tvs, comfortable sitting areas, etc. The VIP treatment. That's where people go before tipoff, and that's why they're late to return to their seats after half-time. http://www.nba.com/heat/tickets/premium_packages_home.html

I'd also be interested in seeing how many fans made it to the Heat games last year pre-LeBron and Bosh. I bet it's significantly lower.

Dnovakovic099
02-07-2011, 08:23 PM
I don't know why there is so much arguing in this forum. I never wanted LeBron to come to Chicago because well he is a moron, but that isn't his fault. I don't think he even knows who is dad is and we all know his mom slept around. LeBron didn't have the easiest life growing up. I know that isn't an excuse, but cmon guys athletes have done MUCH worse. You can dislike him for not trying to bring a championship to Cleveland, but don't hate the guy. As much as I didn't want him on the Bulls, I still would have loved him a couple of months later. EVERY SINGLE FAN WOULD HAVE LIKED LEBRON IF HE CAME TO YOUR TEAM. You may not have loved him, but you would have cheered for him and defended him. I really didn't like Rose coming out of the draft because he looked like a thug to me. After a couple months I started liking him. Now that I found out how hard he works and what a humble guy he is, I love him.

rufo4100
02-07-2011, 08:29 PM
he is in Boston!

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 08:30 PM
There's a lot of reasons for people to hate LeBron. As one of the best or the best player of the game depending who you talk to, people have expectations for how you should handle yourself. They want the best to be humble and not taking advantage of their talents to where it hurts others that are affected. LeBron definitely hasn't been charged of a crime, cheated on his wife, became infected with HIV, yet he is still the most hated basketball player in the world today? Why?

All because he did something an athlete of his caliber has never done. A lot of people can't understand "the Decision" because it's never been seen before while the aforementioned acts are common amongst many athletes today. Since many can't relate, they start reaching for reasons to hate a man that has had a clean record outside of his usual egocentric comments and hummer situation. LeBron has been the same person yet everything he says now has that much emphasis and gives people more fuel to hate him when he's been saying the same arrogant content his whole career.

As for the hate now, it has digressed as people start to see why he left with Cleveland breaking losing records and the Heat expectedly a top 5 in the league and a legit title contender come playoff time. However, the loss of respect will always be there because of the whole "Decision" no matter how many rings he gets. Does that mean you should judge one of greatest players to play off one tv special while Kobe, Jordan, and Magic have all have had a chance to redeem themselves in the public eye when their off courts anctics are considered much worse by societial standards?

What does the Cavaliers' record/season have to do with James? Your hero LeBron even said so himself it has nothing to do with anything because the team is totally different from last year's. FFS, Manny Harris and Samardo Samuels are playing key minutes...didn't see them on the Cavaliers last year, correct me if I am wrong.

It is totally moot, not worth bringing up.

Having said that, even as a Cavs fan I don't fault him for deciding to go to Miami. I still think in terms of legacy he should have gone somewhere else and not gone to be second fiddle to Wade, but all right, fair enough. He couldn't resist what he saw as "easy titles." I get it.

HOWEVAH! A lot of people in this thread- and I Feel this is a general consensus as well as my own- have more of an issue with how he threw Cleveland under the bus after basically running the franchise for 7 years. That is just totally not cool. He could have gone about things so much better and he will never be forgiven for that by Cavaliers fans and the state of Ohio, and, by the looks of it, will always be seen as a prick by a majority of NBA fans.

Oh, and no disrespect. You made a rational (mostly) post that was in good taste. However, isn't it amusing how much you Heat fans (I say that not specifically aimed at you, but Heat fans in general) whined and moaned and *****ed about how much they wanted to gouge out LeBron's eye balls the last 7 seasons every time he beat you, and now he's your freakin' hero?

Ah, it'd happen with any fan base, I'm sure. Just amusing.

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 08:37 PM
I'm basing this on the Miami Heat organization telling it's fans to FAN UP and to make it to the games.

Season tickets sold out almost immediately after Lebron's decision. And as I said, the Heat are top 5 in attendance. The fan up campaign was more about the fans being louder at the actual games, and staying in their seats for the duration. I'll admit, there are long stretches where it seems as though the fans aren't paying attention, at least not until the Heat make an exciting run to wake them up. That better change come playoff time.



I'd also be interested in seeing how many fans made it to the Heat games last year pre-LeBron and Bosh. I bet it's significantly lower.

There are very few fanbases that pack the house even when their teams are bad. I mean Detroit has one of the best fanbases. They led the NBA in attendance for like 6 seasons or something crazy. But now they suck, and attendance is down to like 17th in the league. I mean the Heat werent awful. We had Wade, but pretty much nothing else. Everyone knew that the Heat weren't playing to compete for the big one. We had a team full of expiring contracts. The Heat were also at the top of the league in attendance during the Shaq era, and they'll continue to pack the house during the Lebron/Bosh era. I guess that's what fair-weather means, but don't say that they're not going to games this season, because they are, and they always have when the Heat were playing good basketball.

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 08:40 PM
Season tickets sold out almost immediately after Lebron's decision. And as I said, the Heat are top 5 in attendance. The fan up campaign was more about the fans being louder at the actual games, and staying in their seats for the duration. I'll admit, there are long stretches where is seems as though the fans aren't paying attention, at least not until the Heat make an exciting run to wake them up. That better change come playoff time.




There are very few fanbases that pack the house even when their teams are bad. I mean Detroit has one of the best fanbases. They led the NBA in attendance for like 6 seasons or something crazy. But now they suck, and attendance is down to like 17th in the league. I mean the Heat werent awful. We had Wade, but pretty much nothing else. Everyone knew that the Heat weren't playing to compete for the big one. We had a team full of expiring contracts. The Heat were also at the top of the league in attendance during the Shaq era, and they'll continue to pack the house during the Lebron/Bosh era. I guess that's what fair-weather means, but don't say that they're not going to games this season, because they are, and they always have when the Heat were playing good basketball.

Gotcha! I'm just telling you why maybe people are calling the Heat fan base fair weather.

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 08:43 PM
What does the Cavaliers' record/season have to do with James? Your hero LeBron even said so himself it has nothing to do with anything because the team is totally different from last year's. FFS, Manny Harris and Samardo Samuels are playing key minutes...didn't see them on the Cavaliers last year, correct me if I am wrong.

It is totally moot, not worth bringing up.

Having said that, even as a Cavs fan I don't fault him for deciding to go to Miami. I still think in terms of legacy he should have gone somewhere else and not gone to be second fiddle to Wade, but all right, fair enough. He couldn't resist what he saw as "easy titles." I get it.

HOWEVAH! A lot of people in this thread- and I Feel this is a general consensus as well as my own- have more of an issue with how he threw Cleveland under the bus after basically running the franchise for 7 years. That is just totally not cool. He could have gone about things so much better and he will never be forgiven for that by Cavaliers fans and the state of Ohio, and, by the looks of it, will always be seen as a prick by a majority of NBA fans.

Oh, and no disrespect. You made a rational (mostly) post that was in good taste. However, isn't it amusing how much you Heat fans (I say that not specifically aimed at you, but Heat fans in general) whined and moaned and *****ed about how much they wanted to gouge out LeBron's eye balls the last 7 seasons every time he beat you, and now he's your freakin' hero?

Ah, it'd happen with any fan base, I'm sure. Just amusing.

Completely agree.

Madtown22
02-07-2011, 08:44 PM
yes

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 08:47 PM
Gotcha! I'm just telling you why maybe people are calling the Heat fan base fair weather.

Gotcha! I'm just saying there are plenty of Heat fans that joined PSD before July 8th. I mean, we've been the 5th most active forum on PSD (after the Lakers, Bulls, Knicks, Raptors) long before this summer started.

I just feel bad for the intelligent Heat posters that just so happened to find this site after July 2010. <- If it says that join date in the upper right corner of every post, no one on PSD respects them lol.

kobe24>lebron23
02-07-2011, 08:47 PM
I don't know why there is so much arguing in this forum. I never wanted LeBron to come to Chicago because well he is a moron, but that isn't his fault. I don't think he even knows who is dad is and we all know his mom slept around. LeBron didn't have the easiest life growing up. I know that isn't an excuse, but cmon guys athletes have done MUCH worse. You can dislike him for not trying to bring a championship to Cleveland, but don't hate the guy. As much as I didn't want him on the Bulls, I still would have loved him a couple of months later. EVERY SINGLE FAN WOULD HAVE LIKED LEBRON IF HE CAME TO YOUR TEAM. You may not have loved him, but you would have cheered for him and defended him. I really didn't like Rose coming out of the draft because he looked like a thug to me. After a couple months I started liking him. Now that I found out how hard he works and what a humble guy he is, I love him.

this.

yes who wouldnt want lebron on their team? i wouldn't like him one bit but their would be no denying how much better he would make the lakers... they would never lose a game with the 2 best players in the game plus the best offensive pf in the league bynum(potential future all-star) and LO(personally i think he deserved to be in the all-star game instead of duncan or pau!

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 08:57 PM
I don't know why there is so much arguing in this forum. I never wanted LeBron to come to Chicago because well he is a moron, but that isn't his fault. I don't think he even knows who is dad is and we all know his mom slept around. LeBron didn't have the easiest life growing up. I know that isn't an excuse, but cmon guys athletes have done MUCH worse. You can dislike him for not trying to bring a championship to Cleveland, but don't hate the guy. As much as I didn't want him on the Bulls, I still would have loved him a couple of months later. EVERY SINGLE FAN WOULD HAVE LIKED LEBRON IF HE CAME TO YOUR TEAM. You may not have loved him, but you would have cheered for him and defended him. I really didn't like Rose coming out of the draft because he looked like a thug to me. After a couple months I started liking him. Now that I found out how hard he works and what a humble guy he is, I love him.

LOL c'mon man. You're gonna say he didn't even try? He took them to the Finals with Big Z, Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Larry Hughes, Boobie Gibson and Damon Jones! He dedicated 7 long years to that franchise. Trust me, he wanted to bring that city a championship more than anything. The talent just wasn't there, and really, it's the front office's fault. At some point, you gotta say enough is enough, and do what's right for you. They almost nabbed Amare, and I think that would've been enough to keep him there, but those talks fell through. There's been too many "almost" scenarios. A few bad seasons in the post-Shaq era, and Kobe wanted to get the hell out of dodge. Luckily, the franchise delivered and hit the jackpot trading for Pau. The Cavs FO couldn't get anything done, so Lebron moved on, which was his right. I can completely understand why people have a bad taste in their mouth after the "Decision" special though. You don't have to like the guy. I just hope that people realize some of this blame has to be put on the Cleveland front office as well.

Sox72
02-07-2011, 09:00 PM
Season tickets sold out almost immediately after Lebron's decision. And as I said, the Heat are top 5 in attendance. The fan up campaign was more about the fans being louder at the actual games, and staying in their seats for the duration. I'll admit, there are long stretches where it seems as though the fans aren't paying attention, at least not until the Heat make an exciting run to wake them up. That better change come playoff time.




There are very few fanbases that pack the house even when their teams are bad. I mean Detroit has one of the best fanbases. They led the NBA in attendance for like 6 seasons or something crazy. But now they suck, and attendance is down to like 17th in the league. I mean the Heat werent awful. We had Wade, but pretty much nothing else. Everyone knew that the Heat weren't playing to compete for the big one. We had a team full of expiring contracts. The Heat were also at the top of the league in attendance during the Shaq era, and they'll continue to pack the house during the Lebron/Bosh era. I guess that's what fair-weather means, but don't say that they're not going to games this season, because they are, and they always have when the Heat were playing good basketball.

I'd like to take a moment to pat myself on the back and say the Bulls fan base is one of them.

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 09:08 PM
I'd like to take a moment to pat myself on the back and say the Bulls fan base is one of them.

Truth. Chicago has always had good attendance.

Knickrocketsfan
02-07-2011, 09:09 PM
You still hear boos at the intro, but it's getting harder for fans to continue booing through the game when they are getting smashed and 50+ dropped on 'em.

But yeah, they still hate LeBron & the Heat in general.

yes his 1 50 point game qualifies you to use it as if he constantly drops 50:facepalm:

Knickrocketsfan
02-07-2011, 09:12 PM
I don't know why there is so much arguing in this forum. I never wanted LeBron to come to Chicago because well he is a moron, but that isn't his fault. I don't think he even knows who is dad is and we all know his mom slept around. LeBron didn't have the easiest life growing up. I know that isn't an excuse, but cmon guys athletes have done MUCH worse. You can dislike him for not trying to bring a championship to Cleveland, but don't hate the guy. As much as I didn't want him on the Bulls, I still would have loved him a couple of months later. EVERY SINGLE FAN WOULD HAVE LIKED LEBRON IF HE CAME TO YOUR TEAM. You may not have loved him, but you would have cheered for him and defended him. I really didn't like Rose coming out of the draft because he looked like a thug to me. After a couple months I started liking him. Now that I found out how hard he works and what a humble guy he is, I love him.

goin to far IMO talking bout that stuff. I hated lebron since he was in high school as a bball player. But i have nothing against him as a person.

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 10:55 PM
LOL c'mon man. You're gonna say he didn't even try? He took them to the Finals with Big Z, Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Larry Hughes, Boobie Gibson and Damon Jones! He dedicated 7 long years to that franchise. Trust me, he wanted to bring that city a championship more than anything. The talent just wasn't there, and really, it's the front office's fault. At some point, you gotta say enough is enough, and do what's right for you. They almost nabbed Amare, and I think that would've been enough to keep him there, but those talks fell through. There's been too many "almost" scenarios. A few bad seasons in the post-Shaq era, and Kobe wanted to get the hell out of dodge. Luckily, the franchise delivered and hit the jackpot trading for Pau. The Cavs FO couldn't get anything done, so Lebron moved on, which was his right. I can completely understand why people have a bad taste in their mouth after the "Decision" special though. You don't have to like the guy. I just hope that people realize some of this blame has to be put on the Cleveland front office as well.

Sure.

But was it all the Cavaliers front office? Was it really? Let's look a little deeper than just the surface.

LeBron James, in effect, was the GM, owner, and coach of the Cavaliers for 7 years. He was the franchise. Now, to break this down simply for the uneducated (there are many, many of them here) I will use little dashes to denote each fact I am about to lay out:

-Paxson, who served as GM for the first two years of James' career in Cleveland, wasted several draft picks on questionable trades and, simply, bad picks. FACT. Does this mean you can blame Gilbert and Ferry and the Cavs FO, who came in 2 years later, completely?

-LeBron James, during the latter part of his tenure in Cleveland, put constant pressure on the Cavs to "win now or else...you know what." FACT. The result? Moves for good veteran players who had horrid contracts and were aging, yet may or may not put the team over the top in order to appease LeBron.

-LeBron James did not reach out to or recruit any fellow stars during his stay with the Cavaliers, although he was kind enough to collude with Bosh and Wade for upwards of 3 years prior to joining them in Da Souf Beach. FACT. As a side note, the instant he got to Miami he decided to reach out to role players such as Mike Miller. I just threw that in for lulz about how bad this guy lied to and f*cked over his fans in Ohio.

I could go on, but I just wanted to illustrate that while the front office deserves some blame...it is not all on them, not by a long shot

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 10:57 PM
Sure.

But was it all the Cavaliers front office? Was it really? Let's look a little deeper than just the surface.

LeBron James, in effect, was the GM, owner, and coach of the Cavaliers for 7 years. He was the franchise. Now, to break this down simply for the uneducated (there are many, many of them here) I will use little dashes to denote each fact I am about to lay out:

-Paxson, who served as GM for the first two years of James' career in Cleveland, wasted several draft picks on questionable trades and, simply, bad picks. FACT. Does this mean you can blame Gilbert and Ferry and the Cavs FO, who came in 2 years later, completely?

-LeBron James, during the latter part of his tenure in Cleveland, put constant pressure on the Cavs to "win now or else...you know what." FACT. The result? Moves for good veteran players who had horrid contracts and were aging, yet may or may not put the team over the top in order to appease LeBron.

-LeBron James did not reach out to or recruit any fellow stars during his stay with the Cavaliers, although he was kind enough to collude with Bosh and Wade for upwards of 3 years prior to joining them in Da Souf Beach. FACT. As a side note, the instant he got to Miami he decided to reach out to role players such as Mike Miller. I just threw that in for lulz about how bad this guy lied to and f*cked over his fans in Ohio.

I could go on, but I just wanted to illustrate that while the front office deserves some blame...it is not all on them, not by a long shot

:laugh2: oh that's a fact, huh? Man, I wish I had access to the same kind of inside info that you apparently seem to have. That's speculation. And Lebron most certainly tried to recruit stars to come to Cleveland. Problem is that NO ONE wants to play there.

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 11:02 PM
:laugh2: oh that's a fact, huh?

Yes.

Where are all the great stars that he reached out to come to Cleveland?

For example: the Cavs had a legit shot to land Bosh this off season, right? We had reports that a deal was in place and they just needed Bosh to agree to it, which he refused to because of course him and Wade and James had already decided to go to Miami. Anywho, that's neither here nor there. The point is, when asked about this months later, Bosh shrugged and said James had never spoken to or reached out to get him to agree to the trade.

Epic lulz. Indeed.

justinnum1
02-07-2011, 11:05 PM
Yes.

Where are all the great stars that he reached out to come to Cleveland?

For example: the Cavs had a legit shot to land Bosh this off season, right? We had reports that a deal was in place and they just needed Bosh to agree to it, which he refused to because of course him and Wade and James had already decided to go to Miami. Anywho, that's neither here nor there. The point is, when asked about this months later, Bosh shrugged and said James had never spoken to or reached out to get him to agree to the trade.

Epic lulz. Indeed.

:facepalm: No one is voluntarily going to Cle...come on man.

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 11:06 PM
:facepalm: No one is voluntarily going to Cle...come on man.

They wouldn't go to a midwest city to play with the best player in the game and the team with the best record in the league? Interesting logic.

It also is irrelevant, because the fact is...James didn't try to get any of his butt buddies to go there. He went to them.

footballer2369
02-07-2011, 11:11 PM
They wouldn't go to a midwest city to play with the best player in the game and the team with the best record in the league? Interesting logic.

It also is irrelevant, because the fact is...James didn't try to get any of his butt buddies to go there. He went to them.

If he wanted to leave, why would he try to recruit his friends to his old team? And Cleveland is pretty dreary in the first place (IMO).

And IMO, Cleveland did not have a legit shot to go to Cleveland this offseason. The Cavs didn't have the capspace and Bosh didn't have any interest. With or without Lebron's recruiting he was Miami or Chicago bound IMO.

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 11:12 PM
It's weird, you would think that Cleveland's sports franchises have never had any star players. The Indians of the 90s anybody? Those players left for bigger bucks, not beaches and sunshine. Only primadonnas and non-competitors put such things above winning. Do you really think James went to your ho-hum franchise for the beaches and sunshine? No, I thought not.

evadatam5150
02-07-2011, 11:12 PM
Do you think Lebron has won back any fans or is he as hated as he was in the beginning of the year? I was watching the Heat-Thunder game last week, and I didn't notice as much booing every time he touched the ball. I could be wrong though, but what do you guys think?

The answer you seek is Yes..

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 11:14 PM
If he wanted to leave, why would he try to recruit his friends to his old team? And Cleveland is pretty dreary in the first place (IMO).

Yeah, see my above post...it is dreary. It's a midwest rust belt city in decline. Big deal. This is about sports, however. Not nightlife. Are these guys competitors or not?

As for your first point, that's what I am saying...the Heat fans want to think there was no collusion, but he has to concede 1 of those 2 points to me. Either James lied about reaching out to Bosh, or there was collusion and James had already decided to leave (and still lied about recruiting Bosh, to boot).

But I wasn't just speaking about Bosh/this summer. That was over the last 7 years. Why didn't he try to recruit anyone?

goose15
02-07-2011, 11:14 PM
I hate Lebron's face :mad:

Jonathan2323
02-07-2011, 11:14 PM
It's weird, you would think that Cleveland's sports franchises have never had any star players. The Indians of the 90s anybody? Those players left for bigger bucks, not beaches and sunshine. Only primadonnas and non-competitors put such things above winning. Do you really think James went to your ho-hum franchise for the beaches and sunshine? No, I thought not.

Cleveland fan talking about a ho-hum franchise. lol

mttwlsn16
02-07-2011, 11:16 PM
So long as Lebron keeps acting like an a-hole, he will be hated by many.

this.
dont hate him as a person bc i dont know him. just think hes an arrogant cocky POS. if he would keep his mouth shut, and not go public with everything, it would die down, imo

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 11:17 PM
Cleveland fan talking about a ho-hum franchise. lol

Whoosh.

That was the point of my post blowing past you, because you totally missed it.

How predictable of a response, though. The subtle jab that just happened to be FACT (you like that?) was just too much, though, right? It was what forced you to respond, yes?

No problems. I'm not insecure. The Cavaliers' existence has been worse than ho-hum. But that...was not the point, was it?

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 11:19 PM
It's weird, you would think that Cleveland's sports franchises have never had any star players. The Indians of the 90s anybody? Those players left for bigger bucks, not beaches and sunshine. Only primadonnas and non-competitors put such things above winning. Do you really think James went to your ho-hum franchise for the beaches and sunshine? No, I thought not.

What has the Cavs franchise ever done to show potential free agents that they're an attractive place to play, and that they're committed to winning....other than getting lucky and drafting the greatest player in world. Almost every move that they've made in the Lebron era has been dreadful. 7 years to put a contender around him, and the best that they could come up with was Shaq (the dinosaur), Mo (I'm not an all-star) Williams, and Antawn (where did my game go?) Jamison. Maybe free agents didn't want to go there because it's clear that they don't know how to run a franchise. I'm sure it's even more clear to every free agent now and in the future, after Dan Gilbert's obnoxious letter.

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 11:21 PM
What has the Cavs franchise ever done to show potential free agents that they're an attractive place to play, and that they're committed to winning....other than getting lucky and drafting the greatest player in world. Almost every move that they've made in the Lebron era has been dreadful. 7 years to put a contender around him, and the best that they could come up with was Shaq (the dinosaur), Mo (I'm not an all-star) Williams, and Antawn (where did my game go?) Jamison. Maybe free agents didn't want to go there because it's clear that they don't know how to run a franchise. I'm sure it's even more clear to every free agent now and in the future, after Dan Gilbert's obnoxious letter.

How about leading the league in payroll for the last several years? Did you even read any of my post about how you can't blame the front office for all of the moves they made? Did you read one SENTENCE of it? :rolleyes:

So basically, your logic is this:

No star players wanted to go play on the best team with the best player because that franchise hadn't gotten any star players to play on the best team with the best player.

Gotcha!

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 11:27 PM
How about leading the league in payroll for the last several years? Did you even read any of my post about how you can't blame the front office for all of the moves they made? Did you read one SENTENCE of it? :rolleyes:

So basically, your logic is this:

No star players wanted to go play on the best team with the best player because that franchise hadn't gotten any star players to play on the best team with the best player.

Gotcha!

You mean your post where you suggest that the reason that the Cavs haven't made any good moves was because they were constantly pressured by the possibility of Lebron leaving.....so instead they panicked and made bad moves? Sounds like a failure on their part to me. Again, why would anyone want to play there?

And what makes you think the Heat franchise is ho-hum? We have one of the classiest organizations in the league. Pat Riley garners more respect than almost any other NBA executive alive today. We won a championship as recently as 2006. What about the other destinations? New York? Haven't sniffed the playoffs in a shockingly long time. Clippers? :laugh2:. Their future is finally looking bright, but like the Knicks, they've been irrelevant for a long time. The Heat were the only FA destination that has proved recently that they can put together a winner. Riley's resume speaks for itself. as far as payroll, the Heat's owner Micky Arison has proven that he's never hesitant to spend big bucks if it means putting out a winning team. He's done it in the past. Heck, he's the 2nd wealthiest owner in the league.

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 11:29 PM
You mean your post where you suggest that the reason that the Cavs haven't made any good moves was because they were constantly pressured by the possibility of Lebron leaving.....so instead they panicked and made bad moves? Sounds like a failure on their part to me.

So your solution was for the Cavs to do nothing and wait for cap space/get young assets that would take a while to develop, and have James leave before even signing ONE extension?

Again, more logic win from the Heat corner. LOL.


And what makes you think the Heat franchise is ho-hum? We have one of the classiest organizations in the league. Pat Riley garners more respect than almost any other NBA executive alive today. We won a championship as recently as 2006. What about the other destinations? New York? Haven't sniffed the playoffs in a shockingly long time. Clippers? . Their future is finally looking bright, but like the Knicks, they've been irrelevant for a long time. The Heat were the only FA destination that has proved recently that they can put together a winner. Riley's resume speaks for itself.

When I say franchise, I am talking history. I am sure your team and organization are great as of right now. That generally happens when you get three players of the caliber of the Miami Trio to collude and join your team. ****, the Cavs drafted one player of that caliber and within a few years they were a completely renovated franchise.

No, I'm referring to winning and tradition and such. The Miami Heat are not a historic franchise like the Lakers or Celtics. And there is nothing wrong with that because there are only a handful of those franchises. That is why I laughed when you took it as an insult, because it was simply me stating something that is widely accepted and using it to build my point.

I mean, you have one conference title...that was when you won the Finals. I'm not trying to take it away. If I recall your team was not even in the league until about 20 years ago. My point was that it's not like the Heat was/are a premiere destination for superstar players to flock to..

DodgerDogg
02-07-2011, 11:32 PM
I personally lost A TON of respect for the way he announced his plans. I still like his game but it will take sometime to get use to seeing him in a heats jersey. I feel he become wades puppet when he went to the heat (same with bosh). looks like they all bunked in the same bed during the olympics. He just doesn't look good in that jersey. Thats just my opinion. But oh well at least we(l.a.) have Kobe and Griffin to enjoy. :D

Arch Stanton
02-07-2011, 11:34 PM
Pat Riley classy? More like a crook.

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 11:45 PM
So your solution was for the Cavs to do nothing and wait for cap space/get young assets that would take a while to develop, and have James leave before even signing ONE extension?

Again, more logic win from the Heat corner. LOL.

My solution is that when the Suns ask for Big Z's expiring, JJ Hickson, and draft picks for Amare, you pull the damn trigger. But their failures as a front office extend much farther back than just this past season.




When I say franchise, I am talking history. I am sure your team and organization are great as of right now. That generally happens when you get three players of the caliber of the Miami Trio to collude and join your team. ****, the Cavs drafted one player of that caliber and within a few years they were a completely renovated franchise.

No, I'm referring to winning and tradition and such. The Miami Heat are not a historic franchise like the Lakers or Celtics. And there is nothing wrong with that because there are only a handful of those franchises. That is why I laughed when you took it as an insult, because it was simply me stating something that is widely accepted and using it to build my point.

I mean, you have one conference title...that was when you won the Finals. I'm not trying to take it away. If I recall your team was not even in the league until about 20 years ago. My point was that it's not like the Heat was/are a premiere destination for superstar players to flock to..

We quickly became a contender in the mid 90s with Zo, Hardaway, etc. Got to the conference finals only to meet the MJ road block. Rose back to prominence in the mid 2000s. The Heat, in their short history, have never had a suckfest drought last as long as the other potential FA destinations (LAC, NJ, NY, post-Jordan CHI). LA and Boston aside, the only other cities in the NBA with larger markets than Miami are Chicago, New York and maybe Houston. But again, the Heat have proven themselves more recently than New York and Chicago. The end all be all is winning. I think it came down to Chicago and Miami as being the 2 most promising places for that.

LayZbone
02-07-2011, 11:45 PM
Pat Riley classy? More like a crook.

Don't hate The Godfather.

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 11:48 PM
My solution is that when the Suns ask for Big Z's expiring, JJ Hickson, and draft picks for Amare, you pull the damn trigger. But their failures as a front office extend much farther back than just this past season.


Suns backed out of the deal, for the 2nd year in a row. Did you know that? This was dealt with by Danny Ferry at the chalk talk meetings with season ticket holders. Kerr was baiting Ferry on and at the last second (an hour before deadline), Ferry told Kerr he needed to know *right now* and Kerr hesitated, so Ferry pulled it for Jamison. Sucks, but that's how it goes.

I think LBJ was gone anyways even if we get Amare, anyways. I wanted him badly though. What other failures are you going to document?


We quickly became a contender in the mid 90s with Zo, Hardaway, etc. Got to the conference finals only to meet the MJ road block. Rose back to prominence in the mid 2000s. The Heat, in their short history, have never had a suckfest drought last as long as the other potential FA destinations (LAC, NJ, NY, post-Jordan CHI). LA and Boston aside, the only other cities in the NBA with larger markets than Miami are Chicago, New York and maybe Houston. But again, the Heat have proven themselves more recently than New York and Chicago. The end all be all is winning. I think it came down to Chicago and Miami as being the 2 most promising places for that.

Well, a lot of those franchises have been around longer, so having "suck fest" periods are more likely. It's a moot point, though. I wasn't insulting the Heat. I really have no problem with the Heat except for the collusion things which isn't their fault, really- I mean, I'd be cheering if the Cavs pulled off the same thing. Not that that would ever happen.

avrpatsfan
02-07-2011, 11:53 PM
Wow 15 pages in 1 day. That's impressive. Oh wait it's a Heat bashing thread.....

mttwlsn16
02-07-2011, 11:58 PM
^ lol

cmstophe
02-07-2011, 11:59 PM
Wow 15 pages in 1 day. That's impressive. Oh wait it's a Heat bashing thread.....

7 months later and people are still shocked that the Heat are a hated team? LMFAO.

LayZbone
02-08-2011, 12:00 AM
Suns backed out of the deal, for the 2nd year in a row. Did you know that? This was dealt with by Danny Ferry at the chalk talk meetings with season ticket holders. Kerr was baiting Ferry on and at the last second (an hour before deadline), Ferry told Kerr he needed to know *right now* and Kerr hesitated, so Ferry pulled it for Jamison. Sucks, but that's how it goes.

I think LBJ was gone anyways even if we get Amare, anyways. I wanted him badly though. What other failures are you going to document?

I disagree, IMO Lebron would have stayed if you got Amare. :shrug:




Well, a lot of those franchises have been around longer, so having "suck fest" periods are more likely. It's a moot point, though. I wasn't insulting the Heat. I really have no problem with the Heat except for the collusion things which isn't their fault, really- I mean, I'd be cheering if the Cavs pulled off the same thing. Not that that would ever happen.


I'm not talking about the frequency of suck periods, but rather how quickly they can recover from being awful to being good. As a Heat fan, of course I'm going to defend the franchise. I think their short history has been pretty admirable, and far from ho-hum. And that they've built a lasting appeal (not quite the allure of an LA, a Boston or a New York). But we're in that 2nd tier of premiere franchises/cities (along with the texas teams, etc). And as far as the point you made earlier about FA decisions being about basketball an not the quality of the city. That may be true in most cases, but the city of Miami has more appeal to these rich athletes than any other city outside of New York. Do you know how many NBA stars have homes in Miami that don't even play here? Great city, great franchise, great teammates. That's why Lebron came here.

Steelers23_06
02-08-2011, 12:02 AM
Suns backed out of the deal, for the 2nd year in a row. Did you know that? This was dealt with by Danny Ferry at the chalk talk meetings with season ticket holders. Kerr was baiting Ferry on and at the last second (an hour before deadline), Ferry told Kerr he needed to know *right now* and Kerr hesitated, so Ferry pulled it for Jamison. Sucks, but that's how it goes.

I think LBJ was gone anyways even if we get Amare, anyways. I wanted him badly though. What other failures are you going to document?



Well, a lot of those franchises have been around longer, so having "suck fest" periods are more likely. It's a moot point, though. I wasn't insulting the Heat. I really have no problem with the Heat except for the collusion things which isn't their fault, really- I mean, I'd be cheering if the Cavs pulled off the same thing. Not that that would ever happen.

no they could have got amare but they wanted to strike a deal and keep jj...and the suns would only do the trade if they got jj so they just stopped. i dont think he would have left. thats my opinion though because if they get amare they look alot more appealing to another star or just those two alone could do damage in the east. thats a horrible gm move and now jj has been having problems with the cavs and isnt putting up good numbers. compared to amare who is putting up outstanding numbers. and even if they do lose lebron aand amare theyd have the space to build an instant contender. you have to plan for lie with or without your superstar as a gm.

cmstophe
02-08-2011, 12:03 AM
I'm not talking about the frequency of suck periods, but rather how quickly they can recover from being awful to being good. As a Heat fan, of course I'm going to defend the franchise. I think their short history has been pretty admirable, and far from ho-hum. And that they've built a lasting appeal (not quite the allure of an LA, a Boston or a New York). But we're in that 2nd tier of premiere franchises. And as far as the point you made earlier about FA decisions being about basketball an not the quality of the city. That may be true in most cases, but the city of Miami has more appeal to these rich athletes than any other city outside of New York. Do you know how many NBA stars have homes in Miami that don't even play here? Great city, great franchise, great teammates. That's why Lebron came here.

He went there because Bosh and Wade were going there. That's it bro. You know it, I know it. The rest is just gravy.

It's a shame that you guys have all of that stuff yet lack "great fans," too. Florida sports "fans" are generally very fickle. You seem like one of the exceptions so hats off, but it's hard to deny that most are not like you.


I disagree, IMO Lebron would have stayed if you got Amare.


Well, again, I thought he had his mind made up a year or two in advance. So yeah. I don't think Amare would change his mind.

cmstophe
02-08-2011, 12:04 AM
no they could have got amare but they wanted to strike a deal and keep jj...and the suns would only do the trade if they got jj so they just stopped. i dont think he would have left. thats my opinion though because if they get amare they look alot more appealing to another star or just those two alone could do damage in the east. thats a horrible gm move and now jj has been having problems with the cavs and isnt putting up good numbers. compared to amare who is putting up outstanding numbers. and even if they do lose lebron aand amare theyd have the space to build an instant contender. you have to plan for lie with or without your superstar as a gm.

False. The Cavaliers did not "refuse to give up Hickson." This is fact straight from Danny Ferry, the man who tried to orchestrate the deal. Where are you getting your information?

What sort of logic are you using to determine that they could build an "instant contender" even if Stoudemire and James left in FA?

knicks4life33
02-08-2011, 12:04 AM
more heat fans on psd then the 1s who attend there games

Arch Stanton
02-08-2011, 12:07 AM
[QUOTE=LayZbone;16634975]I disagree, IMO Lebron would have stayed if you got Amare. :shrug:

Yeah I don't think he would've. I think this whole thing with Bosh and Wade was planned a few years earlier during the Olympics.

LayZbone
02-08-2011, 12:12 AM
It's a shame that you guys have all of that stuff yet lack "great fans," too. Florida sports "fans" are generally very fickle. You seem like one of the exceptions so hats off, but it's hard to deny that most are not like you.


It's generally been a football town. I hope that changes....it should. But hey, not everyone can be the total package. New York: the best city, great fans, but they haven't produced a winning product in a while. Cleveland: Horrible front office and city, passionate fans. Miami: great city and franchise, fair-weather fans.



Well, again, I thought he had his mind made up a year or two in advance. So yeah. I don't think Amare would change his mind.

Well, I disagree about them colluding and making up their minds years in advance. I know they discussed it as a possibility, but that Lebron was keeping his options open. But I don't see us coming to an agreement on that, so I'm off. Good debate though, that was fun.

LayZbone
02-08-2011, 12:16 AM
more heat fans on psd then the 1s who attend there games

dude....

We're top 5 in attendance. Are you simply saying this because you see a couple empty seats in the lower bowl on tv? What you fail to realize is that beneath those seats are pimp-*** lounges, complete with bars, dining, high-def tvs, comfortable sitting areas, etc. The VIP treatment. That's where people go before tipoff, and that's why they're late to return to their seats after half-time. http://www.nba.com/heat/tickets/premium_packages_home.html

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

Scalping is also a problem here. Look, Heat fans generally are fair-weather in the sense that they only go when the Heat are ballin'. And right now, we're ballin'. But saying the Heat fans don't go to games today? thats a misconception.

Dnovakovic099
02-08-2011, 12:17 AM
LOL c'mon man. You're gonna say he didn't even try? He took them to the Finals with Big Z, Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Larry Hughes, Boobie Gibson and Damon Jones! He dedicated 7 long years to that franchise. Trust me, he wanted to bring that city a championship more than anything. The talent just wasn't there, and really, it's the front office's fault. At some point, you gotta say enough is enough, and do what's right for you. They almost nabbed Amare, and I think that would've been enough to keep him there, but those talks fell through. There's been too many "almost" scenarios. A few bad seasons in the post-Shaq era, and Kobe wanted to get the hell out of dodge. Luckily, the franchise delivered and hit the jackpot trading for Pau. The Cavs FO couldn't get anything done, so Lebron moved on, which was his right. I can completely understand why people have a bad taste in their mouth after the "Decision" special though. You don't have to like the guy. I just hope that people realize some of this blame has to be put on the Cleveland front office as well.

Fair enough, he tried to win a championship while he was in Clevland. Then he gave up, left his home town, and went to another team. I am not bashing LeBron for doing that because it isn't an easy decision. Playing with your friends in Miami with a better chance of winning a title, but that is the reason people don't like him. Players usually want to go back to their hometown and play to win a championship, but that isn't a reason to hate him. It is just a reason not to like him or respect him.

Arch Stanton
02-08-2011, 12:18 AM
[QUOTE=LayZbone;16635198]It's generally been a football town. I hope that changes....it should. But hey, not everyone can be the total package. New York: the best city, great fans, but they haven't produced a winning product in a while. Cleveland: Horrible front office and city, passionate fans. Miami: great city and franchise, fair-weather fans.

Just because the Cavs FO don't have a crook (Pat Riley) in their front office doesn't mean they're horrible? But it makes sense because Miami is a town that for a long time was run by crooks. Watch Cocaine Cowboys. I suppose it's charming in a way but also makes it a bit of a cesspool.

cmstophe
02-08-2011, 12:18 AM
It's generally been a football town. I hope that changes....it should. But hey, not everyone can be the total package. New York: the best city, great fans, but they haven't produced a winning product in a while. Cleveland: Horrible front office and city, passionate fans. Miami: great city and franchise, fair-weather fans.


Say what you want about our front office- I've already proven all your points wrong on that front- but step the **** off the city. Cleveland is not a horrible city. You have never been there.

Dnovakovic099
02-08-2011, 12:19 AM
goin to far IMO talking bout that stuff. I hated lebron since he was in high school as a bball player. But i have nothing against him as a person.

I actually didn't mean it as an insult. Sorry if anyone got offended. I meant to defend LeBron. I believe that people that grew up under worse conditions should get cut a break sometimes because after all we are what are genes are and how we are raised.

KingPosey
02-08-2011, 12:19 AM
his image is basically the same. Just look on here, Miami loes him, 90% of all the other posters still hate him, and 10% is eerything else. What has happened that would change anyone's opinion of him? What has he done or said, positive or negatie, to change anything?

TheDetroitBlue
02-08-2011, 12:22 AM
yup i still hate him

LayZbone
02-08-2011, 12:27 AM
Say what you want about our front office- I've already proven all your points wrong on that front- but step the **** off the city. Cleveland is not a horrible city. You have never been there.

Look I get it, home is where the heart is. I'm sure I'd grow to love Cleveland if I lived there too. But how long has that city been in economic shambles? It's like the Great Depression never ended. Every montage of fans I've ever seen, they all look homeless. You're right, I don't know much about the city and I'm mostly being ignorant. But Cleveland does not seem like an attractive place to live. It's gotta be up there with Detroit.


Worst_Places_to_Live_in_America (http://www.cnbc.com/id/38584814/10_Worst_Places_to_Live_in_America)

I'm not here to crap on the city, that's not what the thread is about. Sorry if that offends you. But its common knowledge that CLE isn't a great city. It's actually hilarious, Miami is 9th on that list :laugh2: (mostly due to crime)

Dnovakovic099
02-08-2011, 12:28 AM
Heat fans, you have to understand that everyone will dislike you, and so do I. It isn't your fault. Nobody likes to root for the favorites unless they are a fan of that team. Most people would rather have their team be an underdog and win a championship then be the favorites. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind having a stacked team win, but I would rather have an underdog... I was hoping that Wade or LeBron don't come just so the Bulls aren't the mean stacked organization that gets all the best players too crush the little guys dream. On the other hand, we all would act just like you if we were in your situation.

As much as everyone argues on PSD and says they hate each other, I believe that we all like each other, besides fair weather fans (im not implying Heat by the way) because we are all avid sports fans, and love our teams to death.I respect every single PSD, except fair weather fans and trolls, user because they would defend their players and teams no matter what evidence is against them. This is what true sports fans do. I am proud to say that I am a Homer of Rose and the Bulls. **** Chris Paul and LeBron James I wouldn't trade Noah and Rose for them two!!!!!! :-)

cmstophe
02-08-2011, 12:30 AM
Look I get it, home is where the heart is. I'm sure I'd grow to love Cleveland if I lived there too. But how long has that city been in economic shambles? It's like the Great Depression never ended. Every montage of fans I've ever seen, they all look homeless. You're right, I don't know much about the city and I'm mostly being ignorant. But Cleveland does not seem like an attractive place to live. It's gotta be up there with Detroit.

I live in Columbus...a great city, a much better one than Cleveland. I am from Cleveland originally, though, yes. I don't care what your stats or polls say. Cleveland is not a "horrible" city. Is a modest rust belt city in decline? Yes of course. Is there incredible nightlife? No. Cold winters? Of course.

All of that make it modest, lacking, whatever. Not "horrible." I'd raise my family in Cleveland or the surrounding area (great suburbs) any day over Miami. Although sure, if I was a primadonna athlete, obviously Miami's nightlife and beaches would be more appealing.

WTF? Our fans all look homeless? Please explain.


I'm not here to crap on the city, that's not what the thread is about. Sorry if that offends you. But its common knowledge that CLE isn't a great city. It's actually hilarious, Miami is 9th on that list (mostly due to crime)

I know you aren't, and I don't pretend that Cleveland is "great." I contest it is not a horrible place to live, though. That makes it sound like a 3rd world country.

LayZbone
02-08-2011, 12:39 AM
I live in Columbus...a great city, a much better one than Cleveland. I am from Cleveland originally, though, yes. I don't care what your stats or polls say. Cleveland is not a "horrible" city. Is a modest rust belt city in decline? Yes of course. Is there incredible nightlife? No. Cold winters? Of course.

All of that make it modest, lacking, whatever. Not "horrible." I'd raise my family in Cleveland or the surrounding area (great suburbs) any day over Miami. Although sure, if I was a primadonna athlete, obviously Miami's nightlife and beaches would be more appealing.

WTF? Our fans all look homeless? Please explain.

Yeah that's the point. Miami's great if you're filthy rich. Which Lebron is. Not the best place to raise a family. I'm actually planning on moving away down the road, if possible. LOL I'm not gonna explain the homeless comment, thats just me being stupid. I saw one youtube video where fans were explaining why Lebron should stay, and most of them looked homeless.


If you're from Columbus, you must be hoping for Sullinger in the draft, huh?

cmstophe
02-08-2011, 12:46 AM
Yeah that's the point. Miami's great if you're filthy rich. Which Lebron is. Not the best place to raise a family. I'm actually planning on moving away down the road, if possible. LOL I'm not gonna explain the homeless comment, thats just me being stupid. I saw one youtube video where fans were explaining why Lebron should stay, and most of them looked homeless.

I understand. As for the homeless thing, I think I saw that too and I went :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: It's hilarious the sort of people they pull aside to give their two words on things like sports. If you walk down the street in Cleveland you will see less homeless bums or people that look like that than you would in, say, New York City.

I can assure you, we are normal looking people just like you Florida folks. :speechless:

cmstophe
02-08-2011, 12:47 AM
If you're from Columbus, you must be hoping for Sullinger in the draft, huh?

I do go to Ohio State and enjoy having student season tickets. Watching Sullinger is a treat. That said, it depends on where the Cavaliers are drafting. I don't want him #1. If we're picking #4, Sullinger is a safe selection. No, he certainly is not on top of my board, though. That would be Irving, who I think might stay in school.

LayZbone
02-08-2011, 12:54 AM
I understand. As for the homeless thing, I think I saw that too and I went :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: It's hilarious the sort of people they pull aside to give their two words on things like sports. If you walk down the street in Cleveland you will see less homeless bums or people that look like that than you would in, say, New York City.

I can assure you, we are normal looking people just like you Florida folks. :speechless:

Actually, you know whats funny? Part of the problem in Miami when it comes to going to the Heat games is that the arena is far away from where most people live, other hot spots, etc.....but the area where AAA is located is surrounded by countless homeless people. I'm not joking when I say that after parking a couple blocks away, I literally have to step over at least 5 separate homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk. Ask any other Heat fan on PSD, and they'll say the same lol.


I do go to Ohio State and enjoy having student season tickets. Watching Sullinger is a treat. That said, it depends on where the Cavaliers are drafting. I don't want him #1. If we're picking #4, Sullinger is a safe selection. No, he certainly is not on top of my board, though. That would be Irving, who I think might stay in school.

Smart choice. I agree.

hotpotato1092
02-08-2011, 12:55 AM
I think people are just tired of him, though I expect things to heat back up (pun intended) come playoff time.

Arch Stanton
02-08-2011, 01:04 AM
Look I get it, home is where the heart is. I'm sure I'd grow to love Cleveland if I lived there too. But how long has that city been in economic shambles? It's like the Great Depression never ended. Every montage of fans I've ever seen, they all look homeless. You're right, I don't know much about the city and I'm mostly being ignorant. But Cleveland does not seem like an attractive place to live. It's gotta be up there with Detroit.


Worst_Places_to_Live_in_America (http://www.cnbc.com/id/38584814/10_Worst_Places_to_Live_in_America)

I'm not here to crap on the city, that's not what the thread is about. Sorry if that offends you. But its common knowledge that CLE isn't a great city. It's actually hilarious, Miami is 9th on that list :laugh2: (mostly due to crime)


Oh because someone wrote a column I guess it's true. They're a lot of cities with economic problems and they're still fascinating cities. People go to places like Cambodia which is war torn and much worse off than Cleveland and they love it.

D-Block21-Chito
02-08-2011, 01:09 PM
Really the Heat play the game the right way??? When I think of a team that plays the game the right way I think of the 2004 Pistons or the current Celtics, or Spurs. That's more like team basketball. I don't think the Heat necessarily have complete team basketball.
I don't think Noah and KG are the fake tough guys. I think you need to look on the Heat roster at players like Bosh and Eddie House to find the some true fake tough guys.
I don't think people hate LeBron. They just think he's lame.

^This! What a great post!

tangent12
02-08-2011, 01:19 PM
Of course he is..

Who he is and what he's made of will always stay with him, so he'll always be disliked/hated. He's a born loser, he's a whiner, he's a crybaby, he's a *****, he's liar like his mom Gloria, he can't do things by himself, he depends on others, etc etc.

LeBron is scum and that's why he's treated like he is.

NYK|NYY
02-08-2011, 01:26 PM
The whole thing with Lebron is him coming off like a slob for taking the "easy way out". He's of course allowed to do whatever he wants, play with whomever. But that doesn't mean we have to respect it.

Tony_Starks
02-08-2011, 01:45 PM
Those that really appreciate the game never hated on him. He's made some mistakes but that takes nothing away from his greatness. The only ones that still hate are bitter Cleveland fans, disgruntled Knick fans because he blew them off, and just jealous people in general.

The real fans know whatsup, Lebron is the truth.