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LTBaByyy
02-06-2011, 02:40 PM
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Perkins, represented by agent Arn Tellem, has opted to wait until he is an unrestricted free agent, when even in an unpredictable market he has a chance of commanding far more.

Uh oh.

LTBaByyy
02-06-2011, 02:44 PM
If Chandler resigns with Mavs, Perkins is gonna get a BIG offer in FA

Swashcuff
02-06-2011, 02:44 PM
Well given the fact that player a much lesser player in Brendan Haywood who was 30 when he received 6 years 55 mil from the Mavs this past off season I see no surprise in Perk turning down the Celtics offer considering the fact that he'll be only 26 at season's end.

I don't blame him.

LTBaByyy
02-06-2011, 02:46 PM
Well given the fact that player a much lesser player in Brendan Haywood who was 30 when he received 6 years 55 mil from the Mavs this past off season I see no surprise in Perk turning down the Celtics offer considering the fact that he'll be only 26 at season's end.

I don't blame him.

Can Boston afford that?? THey have a lot of contracts for next year

Gators123
02-06-2011, 02:46 PM
Not surprised.

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 02:47 PM
:sigh: impossible to find a decent priced center now a days.

JerseysFinest
02-06-2011, 02:47 PM
Miami?

johnnychan
02-06-2011, 02:48 PM
Not suprised, he wants to play the field.

Bornknick73
02-06-2011, 02:48 PM
I could be like a Celtics fan and gloat but I wont. You guys better pray you resign him. All your frontcourt depth goes out the window with him. KG & Shaq are almost ancient, Jermaine is broken and Big Baby isnt a starter. Add that to the future retirements of Pierce and Allen....

I hope Rondo turns into Derrick Rose on the offensive end or you guys could be in for some tough years ahead.

ManRam
02-06-2011, 02:49 PM
I'm not one to act like I have the right to judge players for what they do.

Initially I felt that this is dumb, especially with the CBA uncertainty. However, this is going to be his first big payday, and unlike most every other player who is about to cash in big time for the first time, he's already won a ring. I won't judge him for trying to get the most money he can get...and he can get more than this. I wouldn't want my team spending more than that on him, but teams will.

LTBaByyy
02-06-2011, 02:49 PM
Well we know he isnt going to Miami atleast lol If he turned down 7.5 mil a year

king4day
02-06-2011, 02:49 PM
This isn't good news for the Heat since this would mean he's going to command more than the MLE which is all they'd be able to offer him.
Sounds like he just wants to get as much out of Boston as he can. He knows right now that his value is low coming off the injury. Give him the rest of the year and a possible big playoff run, why not wait.

Swashcuff
02-06-2011, 02:49 PM
If Chandler resigns with Mavs, Perkins is gonna get a BIG offer in FA

He's going to get one regardless. I think he is on the radar of much more teams. OKC and Miami have already been on record of saying that they are interested.

Swashcuff
02-06-2011, 02:51 PM
Can Boston afford that?? THey have a lot of contracts for next year

Another team will. I won't be shocked to see him get such an offer and Boston feel inclined to up the ante.

Without him after 2012 their future aint looking as bright as it looks now.

LTBaByyy
02-06-2011, 02:52 PM
He's going to get one regardless. I think he is on the radar of much more teams. OKC and Miami have already been on record of saying that they are interested.

Miami wont have the money to offer him

OKC does. Hmmmmm stay in the East please :pray:

Raps18-19 Champ
02-06-2011, 02:52 PM
The Raptors would offer you a 4 years, $37 mil contract.

Hustlenomics
02-06-2011, 02:55 PM
wow **** him let him walk! save that money for dwight howard in 2012 :)

Swashcuff
02-06-2011, 02:55 PM
:sigh: impossible to find a decent priced center now a days.

Marcin Gortat's. Deal looked horrible as a reserve but as a possible starter for the Suns in the future.

Avenged
02-06-2011, 02:55 PM
The Celtics are most likely on the decline very soon.. Maybe he just doesn't want to stick around for that?

Baller1
02-06-2011, 02:56 PM
Please!

Please!

PLEASE!

I'd happily overpay him to come to OKC.

hugepatsfan
02-06-2011, 02:56 PM
Perk is my favorite Celtics player so I hope they resing him. If he does leave, however, I'd like to see him in OKC.

hugepatsfan
02-06-2011, 02:57 PM
wow **** him let him walk! save that money for dwight howard in 2012 :)

:clap:

I hope so, but it won't happen. :(

Avenged
02-06-2011, 02:58 PM
Perks personality doesn't fit with OKC.. I can't see it.

YoungOne
02-06-2011, 02:58 PM
wow **** him let him walk! save that money for dwight howard in 2012 :)

that would be nice :)

Cano4prez
02-06-2011, 02:59 PM
If the MLE is still in place I can see him going to Miami.

Frrrrank!!!
02-06-2011, 02:59 PM
:sigh: Hope we don't overpay for him. If he did leave I'd want him to go to OKC.

Rivera
02-06-2011, 03:01 PM
get that money perk....he will get wayyy more than that on the open market

hes a legit cetner in todays NBA...he defends as good as anyone

he is the most physical center in the NBA

every team needs a Perk to do all the dirty work....and he is gonna get his $$$$$ go get that perk

hugepatsfan
02-06-2011, 03:02 PM
Perks personality doesn't fit with OKC.. I can't see it.

:confused:

Rivera
02-06-2011, 03:02 PM
If the MLE is still in place I can see him going to Miami.

:facepalm:

the offer he just turned down is more than the MLE....so why would he settle for that??

:facepalm:

JordansBulls
02-06-2011, 03:02 PM
I'm not one to act like I have the right to judge players for what they do.

Initially I felt that this is dumb, especially with the CBA uncertainty. However, this is going to be his first big payday, and unlike most every other player who is about to cash in big time for the first time, he's already won a ring. I won't judge him for trying to get the most money he can get...and he can get more than this. I wouldn't want my team spending more than that on him, but teams will.

This. However it is a huge gamble for someone that is coming off a major injury.

heatking
02-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Way too much money for a Hustle player with no offense. I would much rather have someone like Nene on my team.

Avenged
02-06-2011, 03:06 PM
:confused:

Personally, when I think of him I think Celtics.. Nuggets.. teams with players like that.

OKC are a very liked team with some nice humble players, not necessarily what Perkins is.

Baller1
02-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Perks personality doesn't fit with OKC.. I can't see it.

That's actually the reason I want him. He brings that tough guy persona to the team. We don't have an intimidator. He rebounds, defends, and is a badass.

Cano4prez
02-06-2011, 03:06 PM
:facepalm:

the offer he just turned down is more than the MLE....so why would he settle for that??

:facepalm:

Becuase Boston will be on the decline in another year or two.

Frrrrank!!!
02-06-2011, 03:09 PM
That's actually the reason I want him. He brings that tough guy persona to the team. We don't have an intimidator. He rebounds, defends, and is a badass.

x2

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 03:13 PM
come to Toronto and make Bargs look good.

hugepatsfan
02-06-2011, 03:15 PM
come to Toronto and make Bargs look good.

TOR should really pursue him. He'd compliment Bargs really well.

Really, any team in the NBA could use more big man depth - especially one that can defend the way Perk does. But he will be overpaid.

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 03:19 PM
TOR should really pursue him. He'd compliment Bargs really well.

Really, any team in the NBA could use more big man depth - especially one that can defend the way Perk does. But he will be overpaid.

Perk, Bargs, with Davis and Amir off the bench is pretty decent. I wouldn't be too worried about overpaying him as long as we get some talent in the draft. Could be a good team in a few years.

shep33
02-06-2011, 03:20 PM
Yeah this was coming... I mean they're paying KG like 24 mill next year or something right? Pierce, Allen, Rondo all get payed a lot too. However, signing Jermaine O'neal was a bad move now financially.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-06-2011, 03:20 PM
Raptors offer a 5 year, $45 million contract.

Though I'd pay Baby Gasol a 5 year, $50 million contract.

shep33
02-06-2011, 03:21 PM
Way too much money for a Hustle player with no offense. I would much rather have someone like Nene on my team.

Nene is gonna want more money than what the Celtics offered Perkins though. The truth is there are no bigs in the league, and they're massively overpaid... but I mean you need them still, so they'll get paid.

shep33
02-06-2011, 03:22 PM
Could you imagine if he went to the Magic? D12 and Perkins in the middle... wow. Just defensive beasts. Don't think Orlando has that kind of money though.

spreadeagle
02-06-2011, 03:24 PM
Raptors offer a 5 year, $45 million contract.

Though I'd pay Baby Gasol a 5 year, $50 million contract.

he will get 5yrs at 50 mil...isnt that around what haywood got.Raps need toughness and defence more then anyone right ? i bet they go after him.They will have the cash this offseason. Centers be getting paid.... hes young too he will get a large deal just watch

Hustlenomics
02-06-2011, 03:24 PM
let him walk and if he's trying to get paid like Kobe ..and see what happens in 2012 ainge

Frrrrank!!!
02-06-2011, 03:25 PM
Could you imagine if he went to the Magic? D12 and Perkins in the middle... wow. Just defensive beasts. Don't think Orlando has that kind of money though.

Perkins would want to start though, and I don't know about perk at pf.

Kakaroach
02-06-2011, 03:25 PM
Surprised he turned down that offer with the CBA and all, but man I would LOVE him on the Jazz.

sep11ie
02-06-2011, 03:26 PM
He's going to get one regardless. I think he is on the radar of much more teams. OKC and Miami have already been on record of saying that they are interested.

Sure they are. Cause teams love publicly breaking the tampering rules.:rolleyes:

Ovratd1up
02-06-2011, 03:30 PM
OKC should put up a big offer for him.

210Don
02-06-2011, 03:31 PM
how did haywood get 5 yrs 55 mill????
dude avg 8 ppg last year....

northsider
02-06-2011, 03:33 PM
Surprised he turned down that offer with the CBA and all, but man I would LOVE him on the Jazz.

I seen your sig and had to see if it was true. I haven't watched wrestling in years but, that was ****ing awesome.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-06-2011, 03:36 PM
he will get 5yrs at 50 mil...isnt that around what haywood got.Raps need toughness and defence more then anyone right ? i bet they go after him.They will have the cash this offseason. Centers be getting paid.... hes young too he will get a large deal just watch

True.

I'd prefer to cash in on Gasol though as both are offensive threats and Gasol being a good defender and rebounder.

LTBaByyy
02-06-2011, 03:42 PM
how did haywood get 5 yrs 55 mill????
dude avg 8 ppg last year....

Just like Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson, someone else was gonna pay him that

tredigs
02-06-2011, 03:42 PM
Perks personality doesn't fit with OKC.. I can't see it.

A truly tough individual who's still young but has the championship experience? I think he is the exact type of piece they need to get over the hump. Not to mention, he's their missing piece from a positional/defensive standpoint. Him + Ibaka would be murder in the block.

RCarlson85
02-06-2011, 03:43 PM
Miami wont have the money to offer him

OKC does. Hmmmmm stay in the East please :pray:

Maybe it's not all about getting more money. Maybe he sees that Boston is an aging team with their core of players all being 33 years old or older, with the exception of Rondo. Their window of opportunity is closing and I wouldn't want to be locked in with Boston for 4 or 5 years.

LTBaByyy
02-06-2011, 03:46 PM
Maybe it's not all about getting more money. Maybe he sees that Boston is an aging team with their core of players all being 33 years old or older, with the exception of Rondo. Their window of opportunity is closing and I wouldn't want to be locked in with Boston for 4 or 5 years.

Yeah that is true, but he is NOT gonna sign with Miami for 5 mil a year

When he can go to a team for 10/11 a year

teddygreen17
02-06-2011, 03:50 PM
PG: Felton
SG: Fields
SF: Carmelo
PW: Amare
C: Perkins

Think that will work.

hugepatsfan
02-06-2011, 03:53 PM
PG: Felton
SG: Fields
SF: Carmelo
PW: Amare
C: Perkins

Think that will work.

IDK if the Knicks could afford it, but Perk would work great in that lineup.

MU and UW Fan
02-06-2011, 03:56 PM
I like Perkins, but I think he's a bit overrated. He is a product of Boston's system. How good would he be if he didn't have all those future hall of famers around him? He's a solid player but he's not worth the money that he will be looking for.

RCarlson85
02-06-2011, 03:56 PM
Yeah that is true, but he is NOT gonna sign with Miami for 5 mil a year

When he can go to a team for 10/11 a year

Where did I say he was going to sign with Miami? Nowhere. I'm just saying maybe he doesn't want to stay in Boston, whether or not he gets more or less than what he was offered by the Celtics. The future of the Celtics should certainly be something to take into consideration.

superkegger
02-06-2011, 03:59 PM
Big men always command a higher price, that actually seems a bit low for him. He's an elite defensive center. He's 26. Why not lock up some more years and money. I think it was the right move on his part.

AddiX
02-06-2011, 04:00 PM
That's a terrible offer. Perk is going to be a high priority for a lot of teams this off season. That guy does a lot for Boston, and any team would be happy to have a big bruiser type in the paint for them.

That really us a joke of an offer.

cheetos185
02-06-2011, 04:08 PM
perkins is probably looking for same contract noah got

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 04:09 PM
Perkins deserves better then that offer he got. I would love to see him in OKC

jim51990
02-06-2011, 04:13 PM
as a celtics fan this is no surprise. i think its less then 50% hes back

-Kobe24-TJ19-
02-06-2011, 04:16 PM
Miami?

how:confused:

Corey
02-06-2011, 04:26 PM
Why do people assume this means he's gone?

He would be DUMB to sign a contract coming off a knee injury like that. He could easily raise his value. It makes no sense for him to sign now.

showtym24
02-06-2011, 04:30 PM
LMAO. Feel sorry for the team that gives him more than that.

Rocketsfan85
02-06-2011, 04:30 PM
He might wanna come back home cuz Houston is in desperate need of a center

hugepatsfan
02-06-2011, 04:34 PM
I love Perk but I wouldnt be surprised of BOS lets him walk. They are going to start rebuilding after next season and mid level players like Perk signed to long term deals really hinder than process. Plus he does have some injury concerns (shoulder).

Hulk6
02-06-2011, 04:48 PM
PG: Felton
SG: Fields
SF: Carmelo
PW: Amare
C: Perkins

Think that will work.

I wouldnt want him in NY, we already have Timofey and he is gonna get better with more PT, and i want to save that money for signing a PG in 2012

Niro
02-06-2011, 04:51 PM
warriors should offer every him single dollar they can spend..

Savage Sunday
02-06-2011, 05:03 PM
He must be delusional. He isnt worth more than the MLE.

Arch Stanton
02-06-2011, 05:19 PM
Perkins is a fool to pass that up. BTW does he speak English or does he just grunt.

dtmagnet
02-06-2011, 05:23 PM
Raptors are in serious need of a defensive presence and a C, Perk is both of those things so I wouldn't mind us overpaying for him if the Celtics choose not to re-sign him.

Chicagofaithful
02-06-2011, 05:48 PM
trade noah and deng to nuggets for melo (plus fillers) and sign k perk next year. batta bing

mrblisterdundee
02-06-2011, 05:50 PM
He's an idiot. With the collective bargaining agreement, he won't get much on the market as a free agent. With the Celtics, he gets a decent contract and the chance to be part of the team's future core, along with Rajon Rondo.

ne3xchamps
02-06-2011, 05:51 PM
The Raptors would offer you a 4 years, $37 mil contract.

who are u.... toronto's GM or something? :confused:

Fnom11
02-06-2011, 05:55 PM
He's an idiot. With the collective bargaining agreement, he won't get much on the market as a free agent. With the Celtics, he gets a decent contract and the chance to be part of the team's future core, along with Rajon Rondo.

Assuming there would be a future core worth staying for. Rondos good but not a franchise player.

Swashcuff
02-06-2011, 05:56 PM
He's an idiot. With the collective bargaining agreement, he won't get much on the market as a free agent. With the Celtics, he gets a decent contract and the chance to be part of the team's future core, along with Rajon Rondo.

6 pages 75+ replies and you are the first person to call him an idiot or anything of that nature.

Where do you see anything about going on the open market or even leaving the Celts?

the_jon
02-06-2011, 05:59 PM
Why do people assume this means he's gone?

He would be DUMB to sign a contract coming off a knee injury like that. He could easily raise his value. It makes no sense for him to sign now.
Yes you're right, it would be completely stupid of him to sign a deal before his knee gives out again and ends his career. What a moron.

Swashcuff
02-06-2011, 06:00 PM
Yes you're right, it would be completely stupid of him to sign a deal before his knee gives out again and ends his career. What a moron.

Miss Cleo what are the numbers in this week's lottery?

You obviously have a crystal ball or something because you are foreseeing the future.

Fnom11
02-06-2011, 06:01 PM
Yes you're right, it would be completely stupid of him to sign a deal before his knee gives out again and ends his career. What a moron.

Damn man you can see the future? Whos going to win the superbowl? I need to place some bets

pd1dish
02-06-2011, 06:27 PM
This isn't good news for the Heat since this would mean he's going to command more than the MLE which is all they'd be able to offer him.
Sounds like he just wants to get as much out of Boston as he can. He knows right now that his value is low coming off the injury. Give him the rest of the year and a possible big playoff run, why not wait.

idk if this is a strictly money situation. that team is extremely old and once the big 3 retire, idk how good they are going to be. rondo is obviously a good PG and a good piece to a successful team, but other than rondo, that team really has no one else. maybe he wants to be on a team that will be contending for years to come. if he waits until he is a FA, he will get offers from multiple teams and he can make his decision from there.

Lim
02-06-2011, 07:26 PM
i dont blame him.. he realizes that this team has only a couple years left(or less) before they turn into a really bad team. i wouldn't want to be on a team that is rebuilding either. at the same time i would probably take the safe route and resign with the C's since he already went through one big knee surgery, if he gets injured again he ends up with no money and his career could be over like someone else said in this thread. its definitely a sticky situation for him.

DwayneMVPwade
02-06-2011, 07:59 PM
Boston is on the fall. Perk wants to play for a contender in the future.

AntiG
02-06-2011, 08:26 PM
Boston was trying to lock him up before he hit free agency, but the current CBA rules only allow for a 20% increase on an extension. After the season they'll be free to offer him his market value and he'll likely sign. He loves it there and is a vital part of the best team in basketball right now.

IndiansFan337
02-06-2011, 08:33 PM
I don't think he'll be able to draw more than $30 million through F/A this summer. And if they do go into a lockout he is really going to be upset that he didn't lock up that extension.

biglord
02-06-2011, 08:55 PM
i see perkins getting a deal in the range of 13 to 15 million a year for 5 years, just because of supply and demand he plays great post defense,rebounds,and knows his role he doesn't shoot out of range and he passes ok 5/70 -75 mill plus he will be the top center on the market.

iggypop123
02-06-2011, 09:45 PM
wow they lowballed him.

Raph12
02-06-2011, 10:13 PM
He'll get big money elsewhere if Boston doesn't pay him... I'd love to see him on OKC.

-Big-Baby-
02-06-2011, 10:38 PM
:facepalm:

the offer he just turned down is more than the MLE....so why would he settle for that??

:facepalm:

to go to a better team?

Bornknick73
02-06-2011, 11:07 PM
Im of the opinion of many others...If Perk doesnt go down the Celtics would have been hanging another banner. Perk dont have crazy stats but hes a bad mutha.....shut yo mouth!!

I can agree with a previous post 13+ mil. They dont come any tougher than Perkins and at 26 the injuries arent oo much of a concern as he is still young enough to get good mileage out of him. Perkins reminds me of Oakley. Big strong and nasty.

Grab that money Perk, you got your ring now its money chasing time.....or as the players like to say " I gotta feed my family and do whats best for them" ROFL.

I make 80 grand a year in NYC the highest income tax state probably in the country, I feed my family just fine. I wonder how tough it is feeding them on the veteran's minimum let alone on a big payday contract? I love when players say that crap...its hysterical.

Lakers4ItAll
02-06-2011, 11:33 PM
Why would he want to stay in Boston? Allen, KG, Shaq are all old and just about to be done. If he was smart he would go to OKC

FadeAwayLikeMJ
02-06-2011, 11:55 PM
BOS will prolly up their offer.

Gram
02-07-2011, 12:11 AM
to go to a better team?

Coulda sworn Boston was a very good team...

IversonIsKrazy
02-07-2011, 12:12 AM
Wow, Centers are amazingly overpaid these days, I guess it's cuz' how rare they are these days. But damn, Perkins getting $8m+ is ridiculous. Think abt it, Perkins will have more salary than sum1 like Crosby Lol, wow. Considering the whole lock-out and players getting paid less after this season, I cud actually see Perkins getting paid under $8m because of that. He shud honestly take the 4yrs/$30m b4 the summer comes up.

GSP
02-07-2011, 12:40 AM
Hold on guys ... you forgot about the warriors ... at 26 he is a perfect fit for Golden State with Curry, Ellis, Lee, D.Wright all the same age. And more importantly they have the money and need a center. Cant wait to have Perkins play for GS !!

ragee
02-07-2011, 08:45 AM
OKC is the perfect destinatation for him... But wait, why did he chose to be an unrestricted free agent? To get paid more? Is that wise knowing that there will be a new CBA?

Raidaz4Life
02-07-2011, 08:54 AM
Perks personality doesn't fit with OKC.. I can't see it.

Thats what I was thinking....

Glenfidish
02-07-2011, 09:01 AM
I think the front runners are oklahoma and my raptors. I give the edge to oklahoma because ther 2 years ahead of us on development. We may have to give him a 5 year contract. 5 years at 75 million. I think the raptors will need to everpay more then anyone else. We have the money and i think colangelo knows he needs to do this. Basically as a raptor fan its like we have 4 shots to do this. In this order. Perkins,gasol,nene,chandler.

Swashcuff
02-07-2011, 09:07 AM
I think the front runners are oklahoma and my raptors. I give the edge to oklahoma because ther 2 years ahead of us on development. We may have to give him a 5 year contract. 5 years at 75 million. I think the raptors will need to everpay more then anyone else. We have the money and i think colangelo knows he needs to do this. Basically as a raptor fan its like we have 4 shots to do this. In this order. Perkins,gasol,nene,chandler.

Do you really want to cripple you franchise financially for the next 5+ years? Horrible deal for any of those centers.

Glenfidish
02-07-2011, 09:23 AM
Do you really want to cripple you franchise financially for the next 5+ years? Horrible deal for any of those centers.

Not really:confused:

Colangelo has put himself in a perfect finacial situation. Go to nba salaries and you will clearly see that oklahoma and raps are the two in best shape going forward. 5 years is nothing for a franchise that desperately needs a centre to help andrea on the boards. A true centre that is. in 2 years we will have jose's 10 million contract coming off our books as well. Demar,ed davis,amir and andrea are all locked down. By the time perkins contract expire, he will be gone and derozan,ed, will be getting big contracts. Hence that's why the 5 years. By the way i meant 75 for either of perkins or gasol. Someone will over pay. There is always 1 or 2 teams. I believe we will be one.

Swashcuff
02-07-2011, 09:58 AM
Not really:confused:

Colangelo has put himself in a perfect finacial situation. Go to nba salaries and you will clearly see that oklahoma and raps are the two in best shape going forward. 5 years is nothing for a franchise that desperately needs a centre to help andrea on the boards. A true centre that is. in 2 years we will have jose's 10 million contract coming off our books as well. Demar,ed davis,amir and andrea are all locked down. By the time perkins contract expire, he will be gone and derozan,ed, will be getting big contracts. Hence that's why the 5 years. By the way i meant 75 for either of perkins or gasol. Someone will over pay. There is always 1 or 2 teams. I believe we will be one.

75 million you say you know dude 75 MILLION.

That's what you pay your bonafide second option, or 3rd star player. Kendrick is nice and all but he is not going to be a star. Marc has proven nothing to merit him commanding such a salary though he could potentially develop into a star.

That being said that kind of money for a role player in unheard of. You will indeed cripple your franchise. What happens if DeRozan develops into a premiere wing player and commands a Max salary for a player with his tenor in the league? After those two signings you won't have any money/room for another star player. What next? You let Bargs walk?

Danny Granger is making 5/60. David Lee is extremely overpaid but that was with the understanding that he was a proven scorer and 1 time in the NBA. He's getting 6/80 and that in itself is outrageous because he doesn't play a lick of D. Elton Brand received 5/80 though he was coming off an injury he was a 20, 10 and 2 player his entire career. Brendan Haywood was severely overpaid and he got a 6/55 contract, Erick Dampier received a 7/73 contract.

5 years 75 million for a prospect or a role player is certainly going to cripple your franchise dude. You won't have any money for your star players. Perkins is a piece in an already set team not a potential star in a rebuilding process. He's going to be blasted every single day.

You don't pay role players 15 mil per, that is just unheard of dude.

VANEXEL9
02-07-2011, 10:11 AM
Another team will. I won't be shocked to see him get such an offer and Boston feel inclined to up the ante.

Without him after 2012 their future aint looking as bright as it looks now.

their future looks old no matter how u look at it

pebloemer
02-07-2011, 10:21 AM
75 million you say you know dude 75 MILLION.

That's what you pay your bonafide second option, or 3rd star player. Kendrick is nice and all but he is not going to be a star. Marc has proven nothing to merit him commanding such a salary though he could potentially develop into a star.

That being said that kind of money for a role player in unheard of. You will indeed cripple your franchise. What happens if DeRozan develops into a premiere wing player and commands a Max salary for a player with his tenor in the league? After those two signings you won't have any money/room for another star player. What next? You let Bargs walk?

Danny Granger is making 5/60. David Lee is extremely overpaid but that was with the understanding that he was a proven scorer and 1 time in the NBA. He's getting 6/80 and that in itself is outrageous because he doesn't play a lick of D. Elton Brand received 5/80 though he was coming off an injury he was a 20, 10 and 2 player his entire career. Brendan Haywood was severely overpaid and he got a 6/55 contract, Erick Dampier received a 7/73 contract.

5 years 75 million for a prospect or a role player is certainly going to cripple your franchise dude. You won't have any money for your star players. Perkins is a piece in an already set team not a potential star in a rebuilding process. He's going to be blasted every single day.

You don't pay role players 15 mil per, that is just unheard of dude.

Agreed that is would be a ridiculous overpayment.

But context:

Market value for legit C's is far higher than another position. Role player or not.

Toronto would have to significantly overpay in order to get him. There is no strong reputation of success, or immediate title chances to sell.

The owners have plenty of money. You definitely won't have salary cap room to sign another franchise player, but it is rare that most good teams do have salary room to sign franchise players. Bird rights to a Top 5 pick this off-season, DeRozan, Davis, Bargnani, Amir and Bayless would be the young core to add Perkins too. To offer a big contract, the franchise would have to be confident with enough scoring options developing out of that core. Or that this core has enough assets to acquire a scoring option if needed via trade.

Bargnani is under contract already for the next 5 years at an average of 10 million per year. That is not normal for a #1 scoring option either. Overpaying someone to account for his weaknesses is seen as a necessity by most fans at this point.

I wouldn't do 15 million per, but I could see Perkins getting a 5 year 60 million contract in the open market in this current CBA. I can't predict how the new CBA will affect the market values though. The Raptor's would probably need to go north of that number to attain him.

DeyAce
02-07-2011, 10:30 AM
He wnts to take his talents to South Beach

magichatnumber9
02-07-2011, 10:40 AM
So are we now going to admit that Perkins is a top 5 center in the league after this thread? It's funny how someone's attitude can change once a player becomes a free agent. The truth will set you free

Mishmin
02-07-2011, 11:08 AM
However limited he may be offensively, his defense, rebounding, and over all toughness is something that a lot of teams would pay for. I hope the c's can afford him.

Sixerlover
02-07-2011, 11:19 AM
4 years 30 mil is laughable in this market for a legit center. He'll get 10+ a year from some team, even with his bad injury

Swashcuff
02-07-2011, 11:31 AM
Agreed that is would be a ridiculous overpayment.

But context:

Market value for legit C's is far higher than another position. Role player or not.

Toronto would have to significantly overpay in order to get him. There is no strong reputation of success, or immediate title chances to sell.

The owners have plenty of money. You definitely won't have salary cap room to sign another franchise player, but it is rare that most good teams do have salary room to sign franchise players. Bird rights to a Top 5 pick this off-season, DeRozan, Davis, Bargnani, Amir and Bayless would be the young core to add Perkins too. To offer a big contract, the franchise would have to be confident with enough scoring options developing out of that core. Or that this core has enough assets to acquire a scoring option if needed via trade.

Bargnani is under contract already for the next 5 years at an average of 10 million per year. That is not normal for a #1 scoring option either. Overpaying someone to account for his weaknesses is seen as a necessity by most fans at this point.

I wouldn't do 15 million per, but I could see Perkins getting a 5 year 60 million contract in the open market in this current CBA. I can't predict how the new CBA will affect the market values though. The Raptor's would probably need to go north of that number to attain him.

That was my entire point.That 5/75 was wayyyyyy too much. The Raps aren't going anywhere if Bargs is their #1 option offense.

pebloemer
02-07-2011, 01:04 PM
That was my entire point.That 5/75 was wayyyyyy too much. The Raps aren't going anywhere if Bargs is their #1 option offense.

I did agree with your point. I was just offering context as to why it isn't a ridiculous suggestion. The Raptor's only leverage over a team like OKC is to overpay. Colangelo also has a history for overpaying who he wants.

In addition, a lot of the context you provided seems little off. You suggested Barg's walking, but his contract is very long-term at the moment, so I don't see how that would be a reality. And the franchise would have enough money to extend DeRozan if he develops into the player they hope he can.

I have my concerns about Bargnani as a cornerstone as well, but I don't think an overpriced contract can necessarily cripple a franchise as you suggest. In the current CBA, there is plenty of room to get around that if your ownership is willing to spend the money. And the Raptor's will have to spend the money to get good pieces in the free agent market. The unknown I suggested is the outcome of the new CBA. For all I know, that could render this conversation null.

Frrrrank!!!
02-07-2011, 01:12 PM
So are we now going to admit that Perkins is a top 5 center in the league after this thread? It's funny how someone's attitude can change once a player becomes a free agent. The truth will set you free

lol, I've never seen so much Perk love.

Giantwarrior
02-07-2011, 01:29 PM
perkins is worth about 10mil a year.

GSP
02-07-2011, 01:36 PM
And he is coming to Golden State ....

Tarheels23
02-07-2011, 02:42 PM
Obviously the CBA uncertainty comes into play here, but what if the salary cap shrinks? What if the NBA eliminates the "larry bird rights"? What if Garnett and Allen retire? What if there is a lockout? There are so many factors to consider in Perk's situation.

Say the Celtics win the finals. KG, JO, Shaq and Allen all retire. Robinson, Daniels, West and Big Baby all leave via free agency. Would Perk really want to stay?

Savage Sunday
02-07-2011, 04:21 PM
4 years 30 mil is laughable in this market for a legit center. He'll get 10+ a year from some team, even with his bad injury

hmmmmmmmmmm

iggypop123
02-07-2011, 04:31 PM
he'll get his money. gortat got the full mle and he never proved himself.

king4day
02-07-2011, 04:31 PM
I hope the Knicks make a run for him. I don't know if they'd have the cap space but maybe a sign and trade.

The potential of Felton/Gallo/Melo/Amar'e/Perkins is pretty sick. Probably closer to the Bulls' level in terms of talent.

Savage Sunday
02-07-2011, 04:44 PM
I hope the Knicks make a run for him. I don't know if they'd have the cap space but maybe a sign and trade.

The potential of Felton/Gallo/Melo/Amar'e/Perkins is pretty sick. Probably closer to the Bulls' level in terms of talent.

Unfortunately the Knicks dont have the cap space to make a deal for Perkins after signing Carmelo or the pieces to send back to Boston.

Glenfidish
02-07-2011, 11:53 PM
I did agree with your point. I was just offering context as to why it isn't a ridiculous suggestion. The Raptor's only leverage over a team like OKC is to overpay. Colangelo also has a history for overpaying who he wants.

In addition, a lot of the context you provided seems little off. You suggested Barg's walking, but his contract is very long-term at the moment, so I don't see how that would be a reality. And the franchise would have enough money to extend DeRozan if he develops into the player they hope he can.

I have my concerns about Bargnani as a cornerstone as well, but I don't think an overpriced contract can necessarily cripple a franchise as you suggest. In the current CBA, there is plenty of room to get around that if your ownership is willing to spend the money. And the Raptor's will have to spend the money to get good pieces in the free agent market. The unknown I suggested is the outcome of the new CBA. For all I know, that could render this conversation null.


Peb,

He didn't get my point the first time across and for some strange reason kept referring to me as a dude. Im not italian by the way:D. He seemed like he had so much anger in him. You kinda got the point i was making. The chips can fall in place quite nicely for the raptors and colangelo. It's the "leverage" i talk about and that you understand that comes into play. The levarage i speak of is having our core guys locked down for 4-5 years more while jose's 10 million comes of the books in 2 years. Hence we could not get crippled cause even if demar and ed davis become stars we could extend them to monster contracts under league rules that allow there own teams to do so and not others. Demar and ed are going to be special thats why the overpayment on perkins. I agree that 5 years 60 is reasonable and achievable but to who? oklahoma! We will need to raise the price. Mark my words perkins gets north of 60+IMHO.

knightstemplar
02-08-2011, 12:26 AM
perkins always looks pissed and about to cry, **** that *****