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Gibby
02-05-2011, 11:25 PM
I know he is an all star but people were saying that Heat should regret not taking Amare instead of Bosh. His team is around .500 and he is putting up great numbers. Thats what Bosh basically did with the raptors last year. I consider both of them pretty much equal.

PER
Chris Bosh 09/10 - 25.0
Amar'e Stoudemire 10-11 - 23.5

AI4MVP
02-05-2011, 11:26 PM
he still cannot pull down 10 rebounds. that will never change. we all know he can score. but hes if hes going to be a max player at that position pull down some ****in rebounds

kjoke
02-05-2011, 11:27 PM
me too, but others feel differently. Its not as if bosh had quality players on his team their

Sadds The Gr8
02-05-2011, 11:28 PM
well Amar'e was on a nice roll with 30+ in 9 straight games and the team was winning...Bosh never did that. Amar'e isn't getting nearly as much praise lately since the team isn't playing well. When u dominate and win while doing it, u get praise.

SteBO
02-05-2011, 11:30 PM
well Amar'e was on a nice roll with 30+ in 9 straight games and the team was winning...Bosh never did that. Amar'e isn't getting nearly as much praise lately since the team isn't playing well. When u dominate and win while doing it, u get praise.
When you get all the touches, you're kinda due for 30+ pts during a certain stretch of games. Why would Bosh have to do that when he's playing with LeBron and Wade.

beasted86
02-05-2011, 11:34 PM
Yeah, to this point Amare hasn't done anything Bosh hasn't done.

2011 Amare Stoudemire:
37.2 MIN, 26.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 49.8% FG, 2.7 AST, 2.2 BLK (before break)
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
36.2 MIN, 24.4 PPG, 11.5 REB, 52.5% FG, 2.3 AST, 1.0 BLK (before break)
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Actually given the stats and team record, Bosh '10 > Amare '11

... and one can argue the Knicks have much more talent than the Raptors had.

PHX2daDEATH
02-05-2011, 11:37 PM
Its obvious Amare extracted alot of his energy already, Knicks need another star to take some of the burden off of him.. I thought for a time he would lead the team to a top 5 seed and keep playing at a high level for all 82 games.. Lately he hasn't been as dominate

Him and Bosh are two different players on all ends of the spectrum.. Bosh rebounds better and is more finesse if thats even possible?

bovice163
02-05-2011, 11:37 PM
Yeah, to this point Amare hasn't done anything Bosh hasn't done.

2011 Amare Stoudemire:
37.2 MIN, 26.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 49.8% FG, 2.7 AST, 2.2 BLK (before break)
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
36.2 MIN, 24.4 PPG, 11.5 REB, 52.5% FG, 2.3 AST, 1.0 BLK (before break)
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Actually given the stats and team record, Bosh '10 > Amare '11

... and one can argue the Knicks have much more talent than the Raptors had.
I gotta agree with this. As much as I don't like Bosh, he could actually rebound. There is no reason for a center of Amare's caliber to be getting below 6 or 7 rebounds in a game, and I know he had several games where he had 5 or less. If the Knicks are going to start winning again, he needs to start pulling down boards.

posterized
02-05-2011, 11:38 PM
Yeah, to this point Amare hasn't done anything Bosh hasn't done.

2011 Amare Stoudemire:
37.2 MIN, 26.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 49.8% FG, 2.7 AST, 2.2 BLK (before break)
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
36.2 MIN, 24.4 PPG, 11.5 REB, 52.5% FG, 2.3 AST, 1.0 BLK (before break)
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Actually given the stats and team record, Bosh '10 > Amare '11

... and one can argue the Knicks have much more talent than the Raptors had.

You couldnt have put it any better!! :clap:

Gibby
02-05-2011, 11:38 PM
well Amar'e was on a nice roll with 30+ in 9 straight games and the team was winning...Bosh never did that. Amar'e isn't getting nearly as much praise lately since the team isn't playing well. When u dominate and win while doing it, u get praise.

i am pretty sure there were times when bosh was playing well and the raps were on winning streaks.

EDIT: The raptors were 8-1 just before the all star break last year. I dont want to calculate his numbers during that period but by looking at the game logs it was just as impressive as amare's stretch of 30+ points.

Gibby
02-05-2011, 11:41 PM
Its obvious Amare extracted alot of his energy already, Knicks need another star to take some of the burden off of him.. I thought for a time he would lead the team to a top 5 seed and keep playing at a high level for all 82 games.. Lately he hasn't been as dominate

Him and Bosh are two different players on all ends of the spectrum.. Bosh rebounds better and is more finesse if thats even possible?

i am not talking about playing style. i am talking about their value and performace as number 1 options

Slimsim
02-05-2011, 11:41 PM
Everyone said Amare was nothing without Nash. He wanted to be the guy Bosh just wanted to chill and ride LBJ and wade to a championship. Only thing i wish Amare would do is Box out. If he can do that he would be perfect

Hoopsadvocate
02-05-2011, 11:42 PM
Simple answer its NY, and everything there is overrated and exaggerated.

The proof is in the records Bosh had the same record i believe with the raptors last year this time around except nobody gave a damn about toronto. If he had been on NY instead of Toronto he would have been getting mvp talk to.

All in all Bosh put up better if not better numbers when he was in amares position last year.

Amare: 26 and 8.7

Bosh (last year); 24 and 10.8

Slimsim
02-05-2011, 11:43 PM
I hope if we get a new coach Amare develop more of a post up game.

Hoopsadvocate
02-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Yeah, to this point Amare hasn't done anything Bosh hasn't done.

2011 Amare Stoudemire:
37.2 MIN, 26.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 49.8% FG, 2.7 AST, 2.2 BLK (before break)
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
36.2 MIN, 24.4 PPG, 11.5 REB, 52.5% FG, 2.3 AST, 1.0 BLK (before break)
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Actually given the stats and team record, Bosh '10 > Amare '11

... and one can argue the Knicks have much more talent than the Raptors had.

Much more detailed than mine so i shall quote this for truth.

And i dare someone to argue otherwise. This should be stickied in the NBA forum.

Sadds The Gr8
02-05-2011, 11:46 PM
When you get all the touches, you're kinda due for 30+ pts during a certain stretch of games. Why would Bosh have to do that when he's playing with LeBron and Wade.
30 pts in 9 straight games? IIRC, only Shaq had that much in recent years. and I was talking about Bosh's tenure in Toronto.

i am pretty sure there were times when bosh was playing well and the raps were on winning streaks.
yea obviously, but Amar'e is in NY so he's definitely gonna get more attention.

SteBO
02-05-2011, 11:48 PM
30 pts in 9 straight games? IIRC, only Shaq had that much in recent years. and I was talking about Bosh's tenure in Toronto.

yea obviously, but Amar'e is in NY so he's definitely gonna get more attention.
Oh, nevermind then. In that case, you're correct

Swashcuff
02-05-2011, 11:51 PM
Yeah, to this point Amare hasn't done anything Bosh hasn't done.

2011 Amare Stoudemire:
37.2 MIN, 26.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 49.8% FG, 2.7 AST, 2.2 BLK (before break)
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
36.2 MIN, 24.4 PPG, 11.5 REB, 52.5% FG, 2.3 AST, 1.0 BLK (before break)
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Actually given the stats and team record, Bosh '10 > Amare '11

... and one can argue the Knicks have much more talent than the Raptors had.

When you factor in Amare's run of 30 point and 10 rebound games (virtually averaged that for the month of December something Bosh has never come close to doing in his career) you could start to understand why he was so hyped, especially playing in the NY market.

Indeed however Bosh was better in the first half of last season.

Gibby
02-05-2011, 11:53 PM
Everyone said Amare was nothing without Nash. He wanted to be the guy Bosh just wanted to chill and ride LBJ and wade to a championship. Only thing i wish Amare would do is Box out. If he can do that he would be perfect

Were not talking about the choices they made for their future. Were talking about what they have done as players.

Plus i am sure amare would be frustrated if he was stuck in mediocrity for 7 years. Sure the knicks can be really dangerous if they get Melo or cp3 but amare wont the number 1 guy then.

HoopsDrive
02-06-2011, 12:06 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure where people get the idea that Amare is >>>>>> Bosh. When he was on the Raptors and somewhat focused (not distracted by FA) he put up good numbers and led the team to a fair amount of wins. The supporting cast was pretty bad most of the years that he was with us and considered a perennial All-Star.

baghdadbob
02-06-2011, 12:43 AM
Bosh Spice lovers out in force tonite.

Gibby
02-06-2011, 12:48 AM
Bosh Spice lovers out in force tonite.

Thought you might enjoy this

http://www.sugarslam.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/amare-stoudemire-naked-ESPN-magazine-NSFW.jpg

koreancabbage
02-06-2011, 12:54 AM
If you are a premier top PF player, you should be pulling down at least 10 boards to be in that category (of being an elite top flight PF). And i'm just talking about the boards ONLY. i'm not advocating for Bosh here, but i believe if you are avg 20+ points and 10+ boards, you are an elite PF in most circles, anything less - you're just a star.

lwindsor
02-06-2011, 12:56 AM
WOW. all the hate on Amare. Last time i checked the raptors didnt make the playoffs last 2 years WITH Bosh. Bosh is a punk, KD spoke the truth about Bosh. The heat wont make it passed the celtics this year and wont make it passed the bulls in years to come.

hugepatsfan
02-06-2011, 12:57 AM
Amare was plaing out of his mind earlier in the season, so he was rightfully hyped up. Now that he has come back to earth, he's not being hyped as much (outside of NY).

beasted86
02-06-2011, 01:00 AM
Amare was plaing out of his mind earlier in the season, so he was rightfully hyped up. Now that he has come back to earth, he's not being hyped as much (outside of NY).

To make it clear, I pretty much agree with this.

Amar'e deserved the hype he was getting, but at the same time people were jumping to some hasty conclusions based on a month's worth of play... and making up poor hypothetical scenarios of what Bosh could do and couldn't do, and what Amare could do and couldn't do in changes of roles. That's the only reason I posted the comparison.

Raph12
02-06-2011, 01:10 AM
Stat's a better defensive presence, both are good scorers... Slight edge to Stat.

Public Enemy #1
02-06-2011, 02:16 AM
Amare was getting praise when the Knicks were winning and he was having that 30 points per game streak. Amare is a beast, maybe not the best rebounder or leader, but he has shown he can get it done without Nash.

Trace
02-06-2011, 02:37 AM
A'mare is more explosive and is a better defender. Bosh is just a better rebounder and always backs down. :)

knicks4life33
02-06-2011, 02:58 AM
lol bosh was averaging those number last year in the weak eastern confernce lol the day bosh averages 36 points per game in a playoff series aganist tim duncan like amare stoudamire did talk to me lol put bosh on the suns they aint goin to the western conference finals all those years. boshs toronto team last year actually has more talent then this years knicks team btw . we have no bench at all .

Kashmir13579
02-06-2011, 03:03 AM
Amar'e is doing what Bosh couldn't do in Toronto and on a much bigger stage.

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 03:08 AM
Amare is being double team more recently. Since we dont have that wing "go to scorer" type player then the team suffers a lot.

Trace
02-06-2011, 03:12 AM
If you are a premier top PF player, you should be pulling down at least 10 boards to be in that category (of being an elite top flight PF). And i'm just talking about the boards ONLY. i'm not advocating for Bosh here, but i believe if you are avg 20+ points and 10+ boards, you are an elite PF in most circles, anything less - you're just a star.

Karl Malone (A'mare is averaging .3 less), Charles Okaley, Dirk and Kevin McHale don't agree with you.

abe_froman
02-06-2011, 03:14 AM
I know he is an all star but people were saying that Heat should regret not taking Amare instead of Bosh. His team is around .500 and he is putting up great numbers. Thats what Bosh basically did with the raptors last year. I consider both of them pretty much equal.

PER
Chris Bosh 09/10 - 25.0
Amar'e Stoudemire 10-11 - 23.5

because he's doing better than bosh this year,and bosh got praise last year for what he did(much like amare is getting)...why he was more highly sought after than amare in free agency

i really dont see what you beef is

marlinsfan24
02-06-2011, 03:15 AM
lol bosh was averaging those number last year in the weak eastern confernce lol the day bosh averages 36 points per game in a playoff series aganist tim duncan like amare stoudamire did talk to me lol put bosh on the suns they aint goin to the western conference finals all those years. boshs toronto team last year actually has more talent then this years knicks team btw . we have no bench at all .

Bosh's team last season would have easily made the playoffs in the East this season.

knicks4life33
02-06-2011, 03:18 AM
probaly they would unless he quit on them like he did after the allstar break last year

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 03:22 AM
Amar'e is doing what Bosh couldn't do in Toronto and on a much bigger stage.

He did manage 47 wins a few years back. With a rookie Andrea Bargnani and TJ Ford. Not bad if you ask me. NY is barely scratching .500 right now and Amare is getting MVP chants. This is coming from me. A Toronto fan who could care less about Bosh.

BRICKCITYPIMP12
02-06-2011, 03:23 AM
**** BOSH!!!
amare is better.

knicks4life33
02-06-2011, 03:26 AM
yea and when u got the 47 wins how much easier was the east

marlinsfan24
02-06-2011, 03:29 AM
yea and when u got the 47 wins how much easier was the east

You can argue that the East is much easier now. After the top 5 teams, there's nothing special at all in the East. Bosh's Raptors team could probably eclipse 50 this season.

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 03:30 AM
yea and when u got the 47 wins how much easier was the east

Regardless the talent was a little more spread out. Now because of these super teams, you've got more bad teams that you can rack up wins against.

Sadds The Gr8
02-06-2011, 03:34 AM
You can argue that the East is much easier now. After the top 5 teams, there's nothing special at all in the East. Bosh's Raptors team could probably eclipse 50 this season.

woah...don't oversell Bosh. We would NOT win 50 if we had Rupaul this year.

Gibby
02-06-2011, 03:34 AM
Amar'e is doing what Bosh couldn't do in Toronto and on a much bigger stage.

what is that exactly? putting good numbers on a 500 team, thats exactly what bosh did.


because he's doing better than bosh this year,and bosh got praise last year for what he did(much like amare is getting)...why he was more highly sought after than amare in free agency

i really dont see what you beef is

i dont have any beef. were comparing two players who basically have done the same as #1 option. i was just asking why they think amare is better just because he is doing what bosh did last year. Bosh's numbers are down but that doesnt mean Amare is better.

marlinsfan24
02-06-2011, 03:36 AM
woah...don't oversell Bosh. We would NOT win 50 if we had Rupaul this year.

You keep believing that.

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 03:36 AM
woah...don't oversell Bosh. We would NOT win 50 if we had Rupaul this year.

lol we're more specifically talking about that Raptors team

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 03:39 AM
Did Chris Bosh play center all of last season like Amare did this season?

knicks4life33
02-06-2011, 03:39 AM
let me ask you do u think bosh is capable of averaging 36 points per game in a playoff series aganist tim duncan

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 03:41 AM
let me ask you do u think bosh is capable of averaging 36 points per game in a playoff series aganist tim duncan

maybe if he played with Nash, and a lot of other great players, in one of the fastest paced offenses in the last decade.

Sadds The Gr8
02-06-2011, 03:42 AM
You keep believing that.

so you're saying there'd be 5 50 win teams in the east if Rupaul still played in Toronto? yea right....

marlinsfan24
02-06-2011, 03:43 AM
Did Chris Bosh play center all of last season like Amare did this season?
No, because he's not a center. He had Bargani (however you spell his name)


let me ask you do u think bosh is capable of averaging 36 points per game in a playoff series aganist tim duncan

Yes. If you put him in the right type of offense.

SB1
02-06-2011, 03:44 AM
Yeah, to this point Amare hasn't done anything Bosh hasn't done.

2011 Amare Stoudemire:
37.2 MIN, 26.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 49.8% FG, 2.7 AST, 2.2 BLK (before break)
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
36.2 MIN, 24.4 PPG, 11.5 REB, 52.5% FG, 2.3 AST, 1.0 BLK (before break)
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Actually given the stats and team record, Bosh '10 > Amare '11

... and one can argue the Knicks have much more talent than the Raptors had.

Just shows that both are performing around the same level as #1 options. You can even argue that Amare has a better team than Bosh did with Toronto.

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 03:45 AM
let me ask you do u think bosh is capable of averaging 36 points per game in a playoff series aganist tim duncan

do you think Amare could average 10 rebounds for an entire season? Just stuuupid questions.

marlinsfan24
02-06-2011, 03:45 AM
so you're saying there'd be 5 50 win teams in the east if Rupaul still played in Toronto? yea right....

And that's out of the realm of possibility why?

knicks4life33
02-06-2011, 03:47 AM
haha right type of offense give me a break . I think tim duncan and spurs 1 of the best defensive teams tryed adjust every game and couldnt still stop him

Sadds The Gr8
02-06-2011, 03:49 AM
And that's out of the realm of possibility why?

because our roster sucks? no way in hell this team wins 50 games with Bosh....don't boost

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 03:49 AM
haha right type of offense give me a break . I think tim duncan and spurs 1 of the best defensive teams tryed adjust every game and couldnt still stop him

get real.

marlinsfan24
02-06-2011, 03:51 AM
haha right type of offense give me a break . I think tim duncan and spurs 1 of the best defensive teams tryed adjust every game and couldnt still stop him

Yet he still lost in the playoffs. Congrats :)

abe_froman
02-06-2011, 03:52 AM
i dont have any beef. were comparing two players who basically have done the same as #1 option. i was just asking why they think amare is better just because he is doing what bosh did last year. Bosh's numbers are down but that doesnt mean Amare is better.

yes,and no.talent-wise bosh is equal.but bosh is having a bad year and amare his a very good one.so this year,amare is better.and thats why people are thinking it.

they arent thinking/looking to deeply into circumstances(fans,especially nba fans rarely do that in general).just see who's doing better at that moment,make the claim and give it no more thought

marlinsfan24
02-06-2011, 03:54 AM
yes,and no.talent-wise bosh is equal.but bosh is having a bad year and amare his a very good one.so this year,amare is better.and thats why people are thinking it.

they arent thinking/looking to deeply into circumstances(fans,especially nba fans rarely do that in general).just see who's doing better at that moment,make the claim and give it no more thought

How is Bosh having a bad season? If 18.3 and 8.1 and an All-Star selection is a bad season, then I would love to have a bad season in the NBA.

knicks4life33
02-06-2011, 03:58 AM
pretty sure they beat the spurs and last year they went 7 games with the lakers and if it wasnt for that kobe bryant air ball that ron artest caught and made att he buzzer the suns coulda won the series

marlinsfan24
02-06-2011, 04:01 AM
pretty sure they beat the spurs and last year they went 7 games with the lakers and if it wasnt for that kobe bryant air ball that ron artest caught and made att he buzzer the suns coulda won the series

And if Wade didn't dislocate his shoulder in 2007, the Heat would have repeated. See, I can play the "if" game too!

Gibby
02-06-2011, 04:01 AM
let me ask you do u think bosh is capable of averaging 36 points per game in a playoff series aganist tim duncan

He played C 04-05 suns. Duncan was the PF and Rasho was the C. Although Rasho was good defender, he was slow and he is no Tim Duncan.

Yes if Bosh can average 36 for 5 games if he were is he not guarded by duncan. And had players like shawn marion, steve nash, joe johnson.

Gibby
02-06-2011, 04:04 AM
pretty sure they beat the spurs and last year they went 7 games with the lakers and if it wasnt for that kobe bryant air ball that ron artest caught and made att he buzzer the suns coulda won the series

hey no one is arguing he was on a good team. Were talking about what they have done as clear #1 options.

abe_froman
02-06-2011, 04:20 AM
How is Bosh having a bad season? If 18.3 and 8.1 and an All-Star selection is a bad season, then I would love to have a bad season in the NBA.

seriously? he's dropped in ever statistical category,this is 3rd worst year of his career aside from defense.yes your miami fan,its awesome to stick up for your players,but he is having a bad year compared to other years by him.

and allstar isnt a good measure of how good a cat is.timmy is having an awful year and got in,yao ming hasnt even played and was selected.and guys with better stats(on yes winning teams) than bosh werent selected.

Gibby
02-06-2011, 04:39 AM
seriously? he's dropped in ever statistical category,this is 3rd worst year of his career aside from defense.yes your miami fan,its awesome to stick up for your players,but he is having a bad year compared to other years by him.

and allstar isnt a good measure of how good a cat is.timmy is having an awful year and got in,yao ming hasnt even played and was selected.and guys with better stats(on yes winning teams) than bosh werent selected.

He is not asked to do what he did in Toronto. His numbers have dropped, yes because he is a third option but doesn't mean he isnt better than Amare. Amare is more valuable to the knicks. But when looking at whose the better its pretty close.

abe_froman
02-06-2011, 04:45 AM
He is not asked to do what he did in Toronto. His numbers have dropped, yes because he is a third option but doesn't mean he isnt better than Amare. Amare is more valuable to the knicks. But when looking at whose the better its pretty close.

so has his efficiency,which should go up if anything

i never said there werent reasons,there are.but what am i suppose to do,lie, say its not or even say its the best of his career just because some of you dont want to hear the the truth? are you that sensitive?

overall yes they are eq1ual and when i answered you i told you that,but to his claim that bosh was having a good year(by bosh's standards),that is well not true.thats nothing to overreact about.doesnt make him a bad person or a bad player

omdigga
02-06-2011, 04:45 AM
amare made the knicks relevant again... all praise to amare.. :)

Gibby
02-06-2011, 04:51 AM
so has his efficiency,which should go up if anything

i never said there werent reasons,there are.but what am i suppose to do,lie, say its not or even say its the best of his career just because some of you dont want to hear the the truth?

49% fg is what his career average is and not that much differrent from last year so i dont what your talking about.

abe_froman
02-06-2011, 04:54 AM
49% fg is what his career average is and not that much differrent from last year so i dont what your talking about.

efg.down to .497 from .522
ts down to .552 from .592

but fine,numbers are your enemy,they are conspiring with me to slander chris bosh on an internet forum

AIRMAR72
02-06-2011, 05:00 AM
amare made the knicks relevant again... all praise to amare.. :)
i agree but raymond felton is also the main reason why amare is doing well on offense raymond (who is underrated) set em up with pick n rolls and easy dish for dunks when raymond breaks da defense down

Gibby
02-06-2011, 05:04 AM
efg.down to .497 from .522
ts down to .552 from .592

but fine,numbers are your enemy,they are conspiring with me to slander chris bosh on an internet forum

You do realize how TS is calculated. It factors in free throws also. By being the third option he doesnt get to the line as much. So the drop in TS would be explained. Numbers arent my enemy, i understand them rather than just posting it.

His WS/48 pretty much explains
Career - .159
09-11 - .182
10-11 - .172

so by his standards and considering everything overall he is were he has been throughout his career.

Gibby
02-06-2011, 05:06 AM
amare made the knicks relevant again... all praise to amare.. :)

so being 1 game over 500 is relevant.

hyb152
02-06-2011, 05:08 AM
Amare is more of a low post threat than Bosh. That's really the big difference. Amare can dominate the paint whereas Bosh likes to hang around the mid range and elbow areas. I'm not saying Bosh can't produce on the block. I'm just saying I'd rather have Amare than Bosh when it comes to owning the paint, especially when we're talking about a sidekick to Lebron. Lebron's never had a dominant low post player and if he had Amare instead of Bosh, who knows how much better/worse they'd be.

The Dream
02-06-2011, 05:18 AM
ill be honest, as a Knicks fan..watching amare play defense is dreadful. he also neVer wants to a rebound the basetball. i sometimes feel his offense balances out with his defense. he giVes up so many rebounds/points. im almost yelling at him eVery game

KnickFanSince91
02-06-2011, 05:35 AM
because he is the main reason the knicks won almost as many games in the first half of this season as we did all of last season. He has on pace to do something we haven't done in ten years...win 40 games.

John Walls Era
02-06-2011, 05:42 AM
so being 1 game over 500 is relevant.

At least they got the early season love. :shrug:


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I'm glad someone brought this up. Amare is a worse defender and rebounder. Bosh despite being a subpar 1v1 defender has shown that hes willing to accept the team concept on D (Heat are a top defensive team).

Evolution23
02-06-2011, 05:49 AM
LOL at everyone saying Bosh is better. Did u all forget you are talking about Bosh! The guy who quit on his team before the playoffs, when he was cleared to play and he sat it out like a *****.

John Walls Era
02-06-2011, 06:03 AM
LOL at everyone saying Bosh is better. Did u all forget you are talking about Bosh! The guy who quit on his team before the playoffs, when he was cleared to play and he sat it out like a *****.

I guess I will always believe what the media says. :shrug:

icej
02-06-2011, 11:37 AM
Yeah, to this point Amare hasn't done anything Bosh hasn't done.

2011 Amare Stoudemire:
37.2 MIN, 26.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 49.8% FG, 2.7 AST, 2.2 BLK (before break)
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
36.2 MIN, 24.4 PPG, 11.5 REB, 52.5% FG, 2.3 AST, 1.0 BLK (before break)
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Actually given the stats and team record, Bosh '10 > Amare '11

... and one can argue the Knicks have much more talent than the Raptors had.

Gotta go with this argument. Great job sir, very hard to dispute these arguments without just being a homer.

To me Bosh and Amare are equal, and both are in a team that fits them well, Bosh is what this Heat needs -a good rebounder that does not clog the lanes.
And Amare is better in an open court game system that knicks are now running. - Swap the 2 of them and you have an instant disaster on both teams.

icej
02-06-2011, 11:42 AM
ill be honest, as a Knicks fan..watching amare play defense is dreadful. he also neVer wants to a rebound the basetball. i sometimes feel his offense balances out with his defense. he giVes up so many rebounds/points. im almost yelling at him eVery game

You are a very good Knicks fan sir, you are not afraid to criticize your team, and call out on their weaknesses given an opportunity. That is constructive criticism at its best. Props to you.

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 01:20 PM
LOL at everyone saying Bosh is better. Did u all forget you are talking about Bosh! The guy who quit on his team before the playoffs, when he was cleared to play and he sat it out like a *****.

He's a ***** so Amare is better... now I get it.

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 01:24 PM
LOL at everyone saying Bosh is better. Did u all forget you are talking about Bosh! The guy who quit on his team before the playoffs, when he was cleared to play and he sat it out like a *****.

Nope but we do remmeber the guy who left a contender in phx for a pay day on a worse team and avg worse numbers than bosh did when he was on his own in toronto.

here u go


2011 Amare Stoudemire:
37.2 MIN, 26.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 49.8% FG, 2.7 AST, 2.2 BLK (before break)
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
36.2 MIN, 24.4 PPG, 11.5 REB, 52.5% FG, 2.3 AST, 1.0 BLK (before break)
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Actually given the stats and team record, Bosh '10 > Amare '11

... and one can argue the Knicks have much more talent than the Raptors had.



as every body but homer knick fans have beens saying u cant argue with those stats and results

drobe86
02-06-2011, 01:28 PM
Amare gets more respect than Bosh, but they are equal. Both guys give yu pretty much the same production but they do it in different ways..... Amare gets the hype only because he's in NY...

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 01:30 PM
Amare gets more respect than Bosh, but they are equal. Both guys give yu pretty much the same production but they do it in different ways..... Amare gets the hype only because he's in NY...

funny because before u were saying amare>>>>bosh

smith&wesson
02-06-2011, 01:42 PM
check amar's post season numbers and check bosh's post season numbers. its not even comparable. stats dont tell all. just watch a knick game and observe amare, then watch a miami game and observe bosh. theres no comparison. amare is the better player.

king4day
02-06-2011, 01:46 PM
Amare gets more respect than Bosh, but they are equal. Both guys give yu pretty much the same production but they do it in different ways..... Amare gets the hype only because he's in NY...

This is one of the smarter posts in this thread. Though I think Amar'e gets more hype because he is more explosive than Bosh. But overall, their production and value to their respective teams is equal.

John Walls Era
02-06-2011, 01:48 PM
check amar's post season numbers and check bosh's post season numbers. its not even comparable. stats dont tell all. just watch a knick game and observe amare, then watch a miami game and observe bosh. theres no comparison. amare is the better player.

Bosh a sample size of 11 games. Which is very small. Amare fails to register 10 rebounds a game which is pathetic given his athleticism.

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 01:52 PM
check amar's post season numbers and check bosh's post season numbers. its not even comparable. stats dont tell all. just watch a knick game and observe amare, then watch a miami game and observe bosh. theres no comparison. amare is the better player.

ill check them this playoffs with boshs when he was in toronto. Having help like steve nash and others helps compared to calderon and bargs.

But the stats show they produce similar and the records show they produce similar (actually bosh has an edge in both).

And ur right if anyone watches the heat games and knick games they will notice amare is a bigger force inside but bosh is a better perimiter player and a better defender.

Kakaroach
02-06-2011, 02:04 PM
Almost of all the love Amare got was early in the season when the Knicks were playing great, now they have really dropped off and nobody is talking about them anymore.

thekmp211
02-06-2011, 02:14 PM
he has improved his overall game this year, but is still a minus defender and just a disinterested rebounder. the guy could clearly average ten a night if he wanted to.

either way, the knicks and amare need help.

Bornknick73
02-06-2011, 02:31 PM
Im tired of these comparison so ill make it easier for everbody.

Amar'e leads

Bosh follows

Thats the difference. Bosh doesnt want to make the players around him better, Bosh doesnt demand the players around him be better. Its a matter of attitude. Guys who have the ability to lead and guys who dont. Alpha dogs and Beta dogs.

Yeah we gave Amar'e more money but he wanted to lead the Suns, and with Nash there he wasnt viewed as the team leader. He desired to be the Big Dog. They were a very successful team no doubt. And the deal they offered him was more then fair, it was because he wanted to be the Alpha on his team, and we gave him the money and position to be exactly that.

Bosh didnt want those things. He didnt want to lead, he didnt want to be the face of the franchise, he wanted to chill with his friends and be in the background while they led the team. He wanted the money without the repercussions of being the one to blame when they didnt win. They said the same thing about David Lee. How he was a better rebounder and could put up similar points. But he wasnt a leader the way Stoudemire is a leader. He didnt demand accountability from himself or his teammates.

The difference between STAT and Bosh isnt in numbers. The reason STAT is better than Bosh isnt measured in numbers. Amar'e had the guts to lead a team in the biggest market in the world. Yeah he took the money but he also took the responsibility for this franchise head on. Look at Bosh on the bench when things arent going well for him. He sulks. Where is his fire? He looks to James and Wade to provide it.

Bosh is a follower and this is without dispute, nothing I have said makes it so. We all know it to BE so.

Stat leads

Bosh follows

STAT brings fire

Bosh does not

STAT demands better from himself and his teammates

Bosh lets others do that.

STATS dont only define a franchise player. Leadership does. Its what seperates the 2. Bosh isnt a leader never has been, never wanted to.

Their stats may be similar but the Heat would have been better with a player who brings intensity and fire into a game then a guy who looks to find it and feed off of it in others.

Amar'e had some of his best games in the playoff playing against arguably the best PF in the history of the game. Thats FIRE, thats determination. Thats will to win. I never saw any of these qualities as long as Bosh was in Toronto. Rip busted his face up and threw on a mask and kept playing. Bosh busted his nose and called it a season. The guy is soft.

The Heat are doing well and they will continue to do so. Would they have benefitted from more assertive PF? Yes. In the long run will it matter? No. They will still win thier rings and Bosh will tag along for the ride, they will win not because of him but in spite of him. While Amar'e will be in NY trying to lead HIS team to the title. In the end Bosh brings numbers nothing more. So if asked again if he is a franchise player over Amar'e Ill say no. Franchise players lead.

Geargo Wallace
02-06-2011, 02:58 PM
Im tired of these comparison so ill make it easier for everbody.

Amar'e leads

Bosh follows

Thats the difference. Bosh doesnt want to make the players around him better, Bosh doesnt demand the players around him be better. Its a matter of attitude. Guys who have the ability to lead and guys who dont. Alpha dogs and Beta dogs.

Yeah we gave Amar'e more money but he wanted to lead the Suns, and with Nash there he wasnt viewed as the team leader. He desired to be the Big Dog. They were a very successful team no doubt. And the deal they offered him was more then fair, it was because he wanted to be the Alpha on his team, and we gave him the money and position to be exactly that.

Bosh didnt want those things. He didnt want to lead, he didnt want to be the face of the franchise, he wanted to chill with his friends and be in the background while they led the team. He wanted the money without the repercussions of being the one to blame when they didnt win. They said the same thing about David Lee. How he was a better rebounder and could put up similar points. But he wasnt a leader the way Stoudemire is a leader. He didnt demand accountability from himself or his teammates.

The difference between STAT and Bosh isnt in numbers. The reason STAT is better than Bosh isnt measured in numbers. Amar'e had the guts to lead a team in the biggest market in the world. Yeah he took the money but he also took the responsibility for this franchise head on. Look at Bosh on the bench when things arent going well for him. He sulks. Where is his fire? He looks to James and Wade to provide it.

Bosh is a follower and this is without dispute, nothing I have said makes it so. We all know it to BE so.

Stat leads

Bosh follows

STAT brings fire

Bosh does not

STAT demands better from himself and his teammates

Bosh lets others do that.

STATS dont only define a franchise player. Leadership does. Its what seperates the 2. Bosh isnt a leader never has been, never wanted to.

Their stats may be similar but the Heat would have been better with a player who brings intensity and fire into a game then a guy who looks to find it and feed off of it in others.

Amar'e had some of his best games in the playoff playing against arguably the best PF in the history of the game. Thats FIRE, thats determination. Thats will to win. I never saw any of these qualities as long as Bosh was in Toronto. Rip busted his face up and threw on a mask and kept playing. Bosh busted his nose and called it a season. The guy is soft.

The Heat are doing well and they will continue to do so. Would they have benefitted from more assertive PF? Yes. In the long run will it matter? No. They will still win thier rings and Bosh will tag along for the ride, they will win not because of him but in spite of him. While Amar'e will be in NY trying to lead HIS team to the title. In the end Bosh brings numbers nothing more. So if asked again if he is a franchise player over Amar'e Ill say no. Franchise players lead.

Amare has lead his team for half of a season to a .500ish record thus far. Leader of not, his success has been nothing different than what Bosh has already done as the leader of those Toronto teams. Have you read any of the arguments in the last few pages at all?

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Im tired of these comparison so ill make it easier for everbody.

Amar'e leads

Bosh follows

Thats the difference. Bosh doesnt want to make the players around him better, Bosh doesnt demand the players around him be better. Its a matter of attitude. Guys who have the ability to lead and guys who dont. Alpha dogs and Beta dogs.

Yeah we gave Amar'e more money but he wanted to lead the Suns, and with Nash there he wasnt viewed as the team leader. He desired to be the Big Dog. They were a very successful team no doubt. And the deal they offered him was more then fair, it was because he wanted to be the Alpha on his team, and we gave him the money and position to be exactly that.

Bosh didnt want those things. He didnt want to lead, he didnt want to be the face of the franchise, he wanted to chill with his friends and be in the background while they led the team. He wanted the money without the repercussions of being the one to blame when they didnt win. They said the same thing about David Lee. How he was a better rebounder and could put up similar points. But he wasnt a leader the way Stoudemire is a leader. He didnt demand accountability from himself or his teammates.

The difference between STAT and Bosh isnt in numbers. The reason STAT is better than Bosh isnt measured in numbers. Amar'e had the guts to lead a team in the biggest market in the world. Yeah he took the money but he also took the responsibility for this franchise head on. Look at Bosh on the bench when things arent going well for him. He sulks. Where is his fire? He looks to James and Wade to provide it.

Bosh is a follower and this is without dispute, nothing I have said makes it so. We all know it to BE so.

Stat leads

Bosh follows

STAT brings fire

Bosh does not

STAT demands better from himself and his teammates

Bosh lets others do that.

STATS dont only define a franchise player. Leadership does. Its what seperates the 2. Bosh isnt a leader never has been, never wanted to.

Their stats may be similar but the Heat would have been better with a player who brings intensity and fire into a game then a guy who looks to find it and feed off of it in others.

Amar'e had some of his best games in the playoff playing against arguably the best PF in the history of the game. Thats FIRE, thats determination. Thats will to win. I never saw any of these qualities as long as Bosh was in Toronto. Rip busted his face up and threw on a mask and kept playing. Bosh busted his nose and called it a season. The guy is soft.

The Heat are doing well and they will continue to do so. Would they have benefitted from more assertive PF? Yes. In the long run will it matter? No. They will still win thier rings and Bosh will tag along for the ride, they will win not because of him but in spite of him. While Amar'e will be in NY trying to lead HIS team to the title. In the end Bosh brings numbers nothing more. So if asked again if he is a franchise player over Amar'e Ill say no. Franchise players lead.

Okay what has amare LED anyone to?? in phx it was nash, amare was a follower and now in NY hes leading them to a worse record than bosh led the rapotors to this time last year.

Thanks for the argument in support of bosh.

Amare1
02-06-2011, 03:27 PM
1. Didn't Bosh not make the playoffs last year?

2. Why the praise? He was tearing it...Wow he only went for 41 points today

HOZ THE KNICK
02-06-2011, 03:28 PM
amare made that 41 pts today look simple

STA_PLAR
02-06-2011, 03:40 PM
Amare is more competitive, better off the dribble, a better finisher and has the same jump shot as Chris Bosh.

On defense they are equally pathetic, it's just Bosh plays for a good defensive team. Amare is a better blocker.

Let's be realistic. If BOSH was on the KNICKS they would not be as relevant because Bosh simply doesnt show heart.

Now if Amare was with MIAMI, The HEAT would be the best team in the east both record wise and in general. MIAMI would be better than BOSTON which they clearly are not right now.

The NBA is not about stats, its a game of heart and aggression which only few players have.

lvlheaded
02-06-2011, 04:06 PM
Amar'e gets more praise because of the heat he took in the offseason. Everyone was saying hed be nothing without Nash. Well, he is the 3rd leading scorer in the NBA and has taken a team that was in the gutter for a decade and made them a playoff team. And he is in NY where the spot light shines its brightest.

With all due respect though, he stopped getting that praise when the Knicks started playing a little poorly.

Bosh is a very good player, no doubt, but Amar'e was a perfect fit for NY and that is why NY fans love him.

NYK|NYY
02-06-2011, 04:28 PM
They are both great players. Amar'e is more fun to root for, he's got an A+ personality. Can't say Bosh is worse than him though, for sure. I just rather Amar'e for my team/market.

BucktownUSA
02-06-2011, 04:35 PM
Amare is the man look how much of an impact this man made for the Knicks already.. and also he's making history by turning the Knicks franchise around when they've been garbage for almost a decade

BucktownUSA
02-06-2011, 04:36 PM
$100 million dollar man. Stat City

effen5
02-06-2011, 04:41 PM
Amare was plaing out of his mind earlier in the season, so he was rightfully hyped up. Now that he has come back to earth, he's not being hyped as much (outside of NY).

Amare was playing out of his mind because they had an easy schedule in the beginning of the season. NYK just came back down to reality and are floating around 500....Is Amare worth 100mil? Nope.

ks32
02-06-2011, 05:09 PM
Amare was playing out of his mind because they had an easy schedule in the beginning of the season. NYK just came back down to reality and are floating around 500....Is Amare worth 100mil? Nope.

everyones entitled to their own opinion i guess. :rolleyes:

Gibby
02-06-2011, 05:44 PM
basically people cant argue with numbers so they call bosh a follower. Im pretty sure if Lebron and Wade wanted Amare, he would have gone with them.

mrblisterdundee
02-06-2011, 05:47 PM
The Knicks have been mediocre for a while now. Amare Stoudemire is the first player since Patrick Ewing to make people care about them.

koreancabbage
02-06-2011, 05:52 PM
Amare is more competitive, better off the dribble, a better finisher and has the same jump shot as Chris Bosh.

On defense they are equally pathetic, it's just Bosh plays for a good defensive team. Amare is a better blocker.

Let's be realistic. If BOSH was on the KNICKS they would not be as relevant because Bosh simply doesnt show heart.

Now if Amare was with MIAMI, The HEAT would be the best team in the east both record wise and in general. MIAMI would be better than BOSTON which they clearly are not right now.

The NBA is not about stats, its a game of heart and aggression which only few players have.

right, competitive, thats why he only averaged 4 rebounds in the playoffs last year?

better blocker? only marginally. Career stats tell differently Stat has average 1.5 blocks while Bosh has avgd 1.1.

Stoudemire is playing in NY so he has a different mind set and an offensive minded coach.

and no, you're not being realistic cuz it hasn't happened yet.

Swashcuff
02-06-2011, 05:58 PM
basically people cant argue with numbers so they call bosh a follower. Im pretty sure if Lebron and Wade wanted Amare, he would have gone with them.

That basically it. No one has actually brought a solid case against the numbers.

Bornknick73
02-06-2011, 06:11 PM
Okay what has amare LED anyone to?? in phx it was nash, amare was a follower and now in NY hes leading them to a worse record than bosh led the rapotors to this time last year.

Thanks for the argument in support of bosh.

I guess if you do want to make it a numbers game...Knicks are 25-24 and desperately need a win....guess what STAT LEADS them to a win in a must win game with 41 points

Franchise players have a tendency to do that. Putting the team on their backs and willing them to a win.

Honestly If Wade and LBJ go down how many wins is Bosh gonna lead you to? Hell if even 1 of them goes down how many? Whos gonna be around to give Bosh a kick in the ***? Amar'e doesnt need for anyone to kick him in the *** to get going he kicks people in the *** to get going.

Who has Bosh ever dominated in the playoffs?......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................My point exactly. NO ONE.

So not only does my guy have way more heart, hes got way more big game experience. Last I checked Amar'es career playoff numbers are higher then his regular season numbers. Which tells me during the playoffs he turns his game up a notch. When has Bosh ever turned his game up?...oh yeah....never.

RIP BUSTED HIS FACE PUT ON A MASK AND KEPT PLAYING, BOSH WENT HOME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON. Yeah the guys got way more heart then Amar'e. His team was in playoff contention, he broke his nose and went home....yeah thats a real franchise player you got there.

Did I mention my guy scored 41 pts while leading his team to a win WHILE nursing a sprained right knee which hes been playing with the last 3 weeks? Bosh sprains a knee and its a trip to the disabled list and 2-3 weeks missed. If he had a nose bleed he'd sit out a game so he can...what did he say again..oh yeah....so he can CHILL out. LOL broke his nose and then quit on his team while the playoffs were still in reach. Real winner.

I got nothing against the Heat. Theyre a great team. But to say or even suggest Bosh is better then STAT is just plain homerism. And im going off of his PHX numbers. And it clearly wasnt Nash because all the Amar'e predictions to fail without Nash were greatly exaggerated.

Career numbers dont lie. Playoff numbers dont lie. And i wasnt even a fan of the Suns to know that. Amar'e beasts in the playoffs, Bosh beasts in playoffs in NBA 2k while nursing a broken nose and chillin in his house.

Nate David+ Co.
02-06-2011, 06:31 PM
BALL GAME^^^^

AMAR'E didn't feel the need to wiat for LeBron's Big Descion. He was the first to come here.
Bosh followed Wade around. Bosh is scared of the spotligh
Amar'e shines brighter.

now bornknick just murked u all. so as i said before:
BALLL GAMEE!

xxplayerxx23
02-06-2011, 06:34 PM
IMO AMare would of been a better fit in Miami. Amare would not of went with them its all about the MONEY. He wouldnt take less cash. But anyway i see it this way both can score both are all stars, AMare is a slightly better scorer, Bosh rebounds a lot better, AMare blocks a lot of shots. Both dont play defense good enough. Amare is on an average team now so no need to compare numbers this year. Amare has dominated in the playoffs but hasnt gotten too far THose toronto teams were near the knicks, The knicks are young and Dont really have a bench. Those teams are around the same so you cant really compare the 09 bosh to this years amare. I think amare is the better player even though he doesnt play defense he still blocks shots and when he isnt in foul trouble plays better D and blocks shots. There are good players and very close lets leave it at that no more Miami vs Ny Amare vs Bosh damn./

Gibby
02-06-2011, 07:16 PM
I guess if you do want to make it a numbers game...Knicks are 25-24 and desperately need a win....guess what STAT LEADS them to a win in a must win game with 41 points

Franchise players have a tendency to do that. Putting the team on their backs and willing them to a win.

Honestly If Wade and LBJ go down how many wins is Bosh gonna lead you to? Hell if even 1 of them goes down how many? Whos gonna be around to give Bosh a kick in the ***? Amar'e doesnt need for anyone to kick him in the *** to get going he kicks people in the *** to get going.

Who has Bosh ever dominated in the playoffs?......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................My point exactly. NO ONE.

So not only does my guy have way more heart, hes got way more big game experience. Last I checked Amar'es career playoff numbers are higher then his regular season numbers. Which tells me during the playoffs he turns his game up a notch. When has Bosh ever turned his game up?...oh yeah....never.

RIP BUSTED HIS FACE PUT ON A MASK AND KEPT PLAYING, BOSH WENT HOME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON. Yeah the guys got way more heart then Amar'e. His team was in playoff contention, he broke his nose and went home....yeah thats a real franchise player you got there.

Did I mention my guy scored 41 pts while leading his team to a win WHILE nursing a sprained right knee which hes been playing with the last 3 weeks? Bosh sprains a knee and its a trip to the disabled list and 2-3 weeks missed. If he had a nose bleed he'd sit out a game so he can...what did he say again..oh yeah....so he can CHILL out. LOL broke his nose and then quit on his team while the playoffs were still in reach. Real winner.

I got nothing against the Heat. Theyre a great team. But to say or even suggest Bosh is better then STAT is just plain homerism. And im going off of his PHX numbers. And it clearly wasnt Nash because all the Amar'e predictions to fail without Nash were greatly exaggerated.

Career numbers dont lie. Playoff numbers dont lie. And i wasnt even a fan of the Suns to know that. Amar'e beasts in the playoffs, Bosh beasts in playoffs in NBA 2k while nursing a broken nose and chillin in his house.

just putting 41 points in one game against philly makes you franchise player? Please try to dispute the arguements made against Amare. All you do is blabber on about heart because its all subjective.

Amare playoffs numbers are better than Bosh. But your looking a sample size of 52 games for Amare and 11 for Bosh. but then again your blame bosh for not making the playoffs and ignore the fact were talking amare had a better team. You will also forget we talking about what they have done as 1st options.

Please dont call us homers because most of the posters arent even heat fans. alot of the people who supported bosh actually hate bosh (eg saddler). But most of the people who support Amare are only knick fans.

But people will ignore the logical facts we have presented and call Bosh a follower and call amare a franchise player. BS he went to the team that offerred more money. Bosh took less because he cares about winning.

But ofcourse you will say Amare wants to be the main guy. Then why hell does he want Melo in NYK.

its pointless arguing with people who provide no facts.

Nate David+ Co.
02-06-2011, 07:24 PM
Amar'e wants Melo in NY so they can win together?
You say bosh took less money and Amar'e went to the team that offered the most. But has Amar'e backed up what he is being paid. Yessir. Thats why he is starting on the all-star team. Bosh has been adequete. But he is constantly missing games and *****ing. Amar'e does things beyond stats, which is what alot of NY people are saying. Bosh is stats but no leadership. He is a follower. He is ok with being the 3rd fiddle as long as he wins a championship.
Amar'e however is a clear leader. He takes responsiblity for his actions and the actions of others. The amar'e praise is because he has taken many of the same people from the last two years and been that leader on a very young team.
He encourages mozgov and gallo. He helps them learn. He is the undisputed leader of the team.
Bosh puts up similar numbers to Amar'e..but so did David Lee last year. It's also about the effect you have on the game, not just the way you play it and your stats.

Evolution23
02-06-2011, 07:25 PM
The only Stat that matters is, who brings it every night. Bosh is a ***** so theres no way he's better than Stat. Enough said.

Evolution23
02-06-2011, 07:28 PM
LOL BornKnick pretty uch just said what needed to be said. Good luck with a logical response for that one. They are going to bring out some stupid irrelavent stats about something that has nothing to do with winning games.

justinnum1
02-06-2011, 07:33 PM
BALL GAME^^^^

AMAR'E didn't feel the need to wiat for LeBron's Big Descion. He was the first to come here.
Bosh followed Wade around. Bosh is scared of the spotligh
Amar'e shines brighter.

now bornknick just murked u all. so as i said before:
BALLL GAMEE!

Don't kid yourself, Amare went after the money.

And wade and friends had there minds made up for years, so you saying someone followed someone else, is a lack of knowledge on your part.

justinnum1
02-06-2011, 07:34 PM
I guess if you do want to make it a numbers game...Knicks are 25-24 and desperately need a win....guess what STAT LEADS them to a win in a must win game with 41 points

Franchise players have a tendency to do that. Putting the team on their backs and willing them to a win.

Honestly If Wade and LBJ go down how many wins is Bosh gonna lead you to? Hell if even 1 of them goes down how many? Whos gonna be around to give Bosh a kick in the ***? Amar'e doesnt need for anyone to kick him in the *** to get going he kicks people in the *** to get going.

Who has Bosh ever dominated in the playoffs?......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................My point exactly. NO ONE.

So not only does my guy have way more heart, hes got way more big game experience. Last I checked Amar'es career playoff numbers are higher then his regular season numbers. Which tells me during the playoffs he turns his game up a notch. When has Bosh ever turned his game up?...oh yeah....never.

RIP BUSTED HIS FACE PUT ON A MASK AND KEPT PLAYING, BOSH WENT HOME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON. Yeah the guys got way more heart then Amar'e. His team was in playoff contention, he broke his nose and went home....yeah thats a real franchise player you got there.

Did I mention my guy scored 41 pts while leading his team to a win WHILE nursing a sprained right knee which hes been playing with the last 3 weeks? Bosh sprains a knee and its a trip to the disabled list and 2-3 weeks missed. If he had a nose bleed he'd sit out a game so he can...what did he say again..oh yeah....so he can CHILL out. LOL broke his nose and then quit on his team while the playoffs were still in reach. Real winner.

I got nothing against the Heat. Theyre a great team. But to say or even suggest Bosh is better then STAT is just plain homerism. And im going off of his PHX numbers. And it clearly wasnt Nash because all the Amar'e predictions to fail without Nash were greatly exaggerated.

Career numbers dont lie. Playoff numbers dont lie. And i wasnt even a fan of the Suns to know that. Amar'e beasts in the playoffs, Bosh beasts in playoffs in NBA 2k while nursing a broken nose and chillin in his house.

:facepalm:

Gibby
02-06-2011, 07:36 PM
Amar'e wants Melo in NY so they can win together?
You say bosh took less money and Amar'e went to the team that offered the most. But has Amar'e backed up what he is being paid. Yessir. Thats why he is starting on the all-star team. Bosh has been adequete. But he is constantly missing games and *****ing. Amar'e does things beyond stats, which is what alot of NY people are saying. Bosh is stats but no leadership. He is a follower. He is ok with being the 3rd fiddle as long as he wins a championship.
Amar'e however is a clear leader. He takes responsiblity for his actions and the actions of others. The amar'e praise is because he has taken many of the same people from the last two years and been that leader on a very young team.
He encourages mozgov and gallo. He helps them learn. He is the undisputed leader of the team.
Bosh puts up similar numbers to Amar'e..but so did David Lee last year. It's also about the effect you have on the game, not just the way you play it and your stats.

They want to win together but who will the main guy? Bornknick said called Amare franchise player and Bosh is not. Thats one of the reasons amare is better. But why does he want Melo, because obviously if Melo is in NYK amare wont be the franchise player.

Yes Bosh/amare/Lee put up similar numbers. The effect that lee had didnt reflect on the wins. But the numbers Bosh and amare put up as 1st options translated into the same amount (roughly) of wins.

Gibby
02-06-2011, 07:38 PM
:facepalm:

well said and nice sig!

Gibby
02-06-2011, 07:39 PM
LOL BornKnick pretty uch just said what needed to be said. Good luck with a logical response for that one. They are going to bring out some stupid irrelavent stats about something that has nothing to do with winning games.

Ya because Amare is winning alot more games than Bosh did in Toronto. :rolleyes:

IndiansFan337
02-06-2011, 07:40 PM
I know he is an all star but people were saying that Heat should regret not taking Amare instead of Bosh. His team is around .500 and he is putting up great numbers. Thats what Bosh basically did with the raptors last year. I consider both of them pretty much equal.

PER
Chris Bosh 09/10 - 25.0
Amar'e Stoudemire 10-11 - 23.5

Bosh couldn't even get that squad to the playoffs last season though. That's the real difference.

Gibby
02-06-2011, 07:47 PM
Bosh couldn't even get that squad to the playoffs last season though. That's the real difference.

But the raptors record with Bosh is pretty much same as Knicks with Amare. There isnt alot of differrence between that 9th place team and this 6th place team.

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 08:00 PM
I think they will be very similar to Toronto a decent team that is around .500 with a superstar PF like Bosh was to Toronto. Knicks might have a run and be a 3rd seed like Toronto was a couple years back. The Knicks need Carmelo.

justinnum1
02-06-2011, 08:17 PM
I think they will be very similar to Toronto a decent team that is around .500 with a superstar PF like Bosh was to Toronto. Knicks might have a run and be a 3rd seed like Toronto was a couple years back. The Knicks need Carmelo.

This.

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 08:51 PM
Greattttt Thread.. Been Wanting to bring this up for a while! New York fans needa prove how Amare is better than Bosh.

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 08:54 PM
Greattttt Thread.. Been Wanting to bring this up for a while! New York fans needa prove how Amare is better than Bosh.

Amare just dunks the ball hard.
He plays in NY where Gallo to them is an all star.
He has taken a team that has been awful to a playoff spot thus far. Because Bosh isnt putting up Amare numbers this year he isnt as good to them.

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 08:56 PM
Amare just dunks the ball hard.
He plays in NY where Gallo to them is an all star.
He has taken a team that has been awful to a playoff spot thus far. Because Bosh isnt putting up Amare numbers this year he isnt as good to them.

:clap:

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 08:58 PM
Amare is being double team more recently. Since we dont have that wing "go to scorer" type player then the team suffers a lot.

SO whats your point? Teams were double teaming and basing there strategies to the game around bosh all those years.

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 09:01 PM
Amare is the man look how much of an impact this man made for the Knicks already.. and also he's making history by turning the Knicks franchise around when they've been garbage for almost a decade

LOLOL. SO bosh took the team as a rookie when we lost Vince and the team was struggling . He eventually carried them to the atlantic division title and was in the mvp race which Dirk eventually one.

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:05 PM
SO whats your point? Teams were double teaming and basing there strategies to the game around bosh all those years.

Did Bosh play center all season? I dont think you understand how hard it is to exert all your energy defending bigger guys every night and be the main guy on offense. Not taking anything from Bosh because what he did from them was great but Amare is playing center being The Guy unlike playing center in phoenix when he wasnt they guy

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:07 PM
LOLOL. SO bosh took the team as a rookie when we lost Vince and the team was struggling . He eventually carried them to the atlantic division title and was in the mvp race which Dirk eventually one.

The atlantic division that year was a joke. The knicks are on pace to win close to 41-45 games yet be only in the 6th spot so what does that tell you?

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 09:08 PM
Did Bosh play center all season? I dont think you understand how hard it is to exert all your energy defending bigger guys every night and be the main guy on offense. Not taking anything from Bosh because what he did from them was great but Amare is playing center being The Guy unlike playing center in phoenix when he wasnt they guy

Knicks are like 2 games over .500 with Amare playing all season and Raymond Felton. Last year Raptors had around 40 wins without Bosh a portion of the season when he was injured. They didnt have a great pg either. Bosh is a lot better then you think. Bosh also has a better jumper than Stat.

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 09:10 PM
The atlantic division that year was a joke. The knicks are on pace to win close to 41-45 games yet be only in the 6th spot so what does that tell you?

Outside of Miami, Boston, Orlando and Chicago every other team is playin horrible baskeball.

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 09:12 PM
Knicks are like 2 games over .500 with Amare playing all season and Raymond Felton. Last year Raptors had around 40 wins without Bosh a portion of the season when he was injured. They didnt have a great pg either. Bosh is a lot better then you think. Bosh also has a better jumper than Stat.

Truth is that people dont realize that bosh never had a legit center and a legit Pg. Trust me Calderon isnt that great. Barganani is terrible defensively and inconsistent offensively. Amares supporting cast this year >>>> Boshs supporting cast in all years in TDOT

Flash3
02-06-2011, 09:16 PM
ok if amare is BETTER than it definitely not by as much as you guys make it seem... out of curiosity where do you guys rank amare and bosh among pf's

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:19 PM
Truth is that people dont realize that bosh never had a legit center and a legit Pg. Trust me Calderon isnt that great. Barganani is terrible defensively and inconsistent offensively. Amares supporting cast this year >>>> Boshs supporting cast in all years in TDOT

You maybe right about Amare's supporting cast but it doesnt help when everyone outside of Felton and Amare is 24 and under so its hard to get any kind of consistency from some of these guys.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 09:21 PM
You maybe right about Amare's supporting cast but it doesnt help when everyone outside of Felton and Amare is 24 and under so its hard to get any kind of consistency from some of these guys.

and it hurts when everybody outside of bosh is a scrub or a one dimensional player.

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 09:22 PM
and it hurts when everybody outside of bosh is a scrub or a one dimensional player.

e.g HEdo Turkaglu, Andrea Bargnani, Jose Calderon

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 09:26 PM
You maybe right about Amare's supporting cast but it doesnt help when everyone outside of Felton and Amare is 24 and under so its hard to get any kind of consistency from some of these guys.

They had Ford, Calderon, Barniagni, Dixon, Parker, Humphries, Graham, Moon, Delfino, Garbajosa...that team had nobody around him yet had a great season.

Rego247
02-06-2011, 09:29 PM
They had Ford, Calderon, Barniagni, Dixon, Parker, Humphries, Graham, Moon, Delfino, Garbajosa...that team had nobody around him yet had a great season.

are u talking about the atlantic division winning season?

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:30 PM
They had Ford, Calderon, Barniagni, Dixon, Parker, Humphries, Graham, Moon, Delfino, Garbajosa...that team had nobody around him yet had a great season.

Yea there trash but all we have is wing players trying to get mins and no center though Mozzy is now our starter for the rest of the season. Barniagni may not be the best center but id rather have him and Bosh up front then Amare/Chandler both playing out of position and get hammered on the glass each night

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 09:30 PM
are u talking about the atlantic division winning season?

Yeah the team that won 47 games.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 09:31 PM
Yea there trash but all we have is wing players trying to get mins and no center though Mozzy is now our starter for the rest of the season. Barniagni may not be the best center but id rather have him and Bosh up front then Amare/Chandler both playing out of position and get hammered on the glass each night

it's not like bargnani can defend center or rebound any better than chandler..

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 09:33 PM
Yea there trash but all we have is wing players trying to get mins and no center though Mozzy is now our starter for the rest of the season. Barniagni may not be the best center but id rather have him and Bosh up front then Amare/Chandler both playing out of position and get hammered on the glass each night

I get what youre saying. Atleast your not like the rest of the NY fans that are just calling bosh a ***** and a follower and making sense. Props to you:clap: . At the same time Bargnani is pretty darn terrible and the lack of a good pg is pretty bad for a pf. Atleast Amare has a reliable playmaker. Bosh has Calderon

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:34 PM
Yeah the team that won 47 games.

You forget how weak the east was overall that year. Like i said before the atlantic division that year was a joke. The knicks had better talent that year but only manage to win 33 games so talent isnt everything. They just played well together that year

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 09:36 PM
You forget how weak the east was overall that year. Like i said before the atlantic division that year was a joke. The knicks had better talent that year but only manage to win 33 games so talent isnt everything. They just played well together that year

Wasnt that weak, the 8th seed had 40 wins. Now to get an 8th seed you can have like 36.

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:36 PM
it's not like bargnani can defend center or rebound any better than chandler..

Yea but height makes that much of a difference. Plus chandler's defense is a little overrated IMO

Bornknick73
02-06-2011, 09:36 PM
Don't kid yourself, Amare went after the money.

And wade and friends had there minds made up for years, so you saying someone followed someone else, is a lack of knowledge on your part.

Thats makes a lot of sense. You say they had it planned, yet Wade was in Miami already. The other 2 followed. Lebron quit on his team in game 5 and Bosh quit on his team when he left them to lose a playoff spot with a...rofl broken nose.

They dont lead, they quit. Wade LEAD his team to a title basically on his own. Thats a franchise player. Hell even the Diesel had to follow his lead after going down 0-2 to the Mavericks.

Knicks were 3-8 to start the season, STAT publicly called out the whole team, like any good leader would. They went on to win 13 of 14 games which regardless of the competition is hard in the NBA. How many teams went on that kind of run this year? While he scored 30 points or more in 9 straight games. Thats called stepping up and leading your team. Teaching your teamates what it takes to be a winner. He makes every player on the Knicks better, who does Bosh make better? Who has Bosh ever made better?

People had the Knicks, even with STAT at the bottom barely a chance to make a playoff spot. You all said it. At the start of the season the Knicks are a one horse team with barely a shot at the 8th seed. But a funny thing happened during the season, all the players followed Amar'es lead and they played better then anyone anticipated. What a coincidence.

Now say this wasnt a direct reflection on Amar'es leadership. He got in front of the cameras took responsibility like a franchise player should and the whole team improved after he made that stand. When has Bosh ever displayed anything remotely like that? Never.

When has Bosh ever even been mentioned in the MVP conversation? Never.

I laugh when I hear Bosh is a superstar. He couldnt hack it as a big dog and the first chance he got to hide behind real Superstars he took it. Because he cares about winning...hardly. Because he didnt have the guts to lead, the same reason James left his team. They didnt have the stomach to lead so they looked for Wade to make it easy for them.

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:39 PM
I get what youre saying. Atleast your not like the rest of the NY fans that are just calling bosh a ***** and a follower and making sense. Props to you:clap: . At the same time Bargnani is pretty darn terrible and the lack of a good pg is pretty bad for a pf. Atleast Amare has a reliable playmaker. Bosh has Calderon

Not all knick fans think that:)

Really its hard to figure out who is the better player regarless of stats or circumstances but lets be happy that both are doing well with their new respective teams. Hopefully the knicks pick it up now since there playing their toughest part of the schedule

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 09:40 PM
Thats makes a lot of sense. You say they had it planned, yet Wade was in Miami already. The other 2 followed. Lebron quit on his team in game 5 and Bosh quit on his team when he left them to lose a playoff spot with a...rofl broken nose.

They dont lead, they quit. Wade LEAD his team to a title basically on his own. Thats a franchise player. Hell even the Diesel had to follow his lead after going down 0-2 to the Mavericks.

Knicks were 3-8 to start the season, STAT publicly called out the whole team, like any good leader would. They went on to win 13 of 14 games which regardless of the competition is hard in the NBA. How many teams went on that kind of run this year? While he scored 30 points or more in 9 straight games. Thats called stepping up and leading your team. Teaching your teamates what it takes to be a winner. He makes every player on the Knicks better, who does Bosh make better? Who has Bosh ever made better?

People had the Knicks, even with STAT at the bottom barely a chance to make a playoff spot. You all said it. At the start of the season the Knicks are a one horse team with barely a shot at the 8th seed. But a funny thing happened during the season, all the players followed Amar'es lead and they played better then anyone anticipated. What a coincidence.

Now say this wasnt a direct reflection on Amar'es leadership. He got in front of the cameras took responsibility like a franchise player should and the whole team improved after he made that stand. When has Bosh ever displayed anything remotely like that? Never.

When has Bosh ever even been mentioned in the MVP conversation? Never.

I laugh when I hear Bosh is a superstar. He couldnt hack it as a big dog and the first chance he got to hide behind real Superstars he took it. Because he cares about winning...hardly. Because he didnt have the guts to lead, the same reason James left his team. They didnt have the stomach to lead so they looked for Wade to make it easy for them.

He commited before LeBron, and LeBron left to play with stars to. I guess if Carmelo leaves Denver he isnt a superstar then. I guess Carmelo wont have the guts to lead a team.

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 09:43 PM
Thats makes a lot of sense. You say they had it planned, yet Wade was in Miami already. The other 2 followed. Lebron quit on his team in game 5 and Bosh quit on his team when he left them to lose a playoff spot with a...rofl broken nose.

They dont lead, they quit. Wade LEAD his team to a title basically on his own. Thats a franchise player. Hell even the Diesel had to follow his lead after going down 0-2 to the Mavericks.

Knicks were 3-8 to start the season, STAT publicly called out the whole team, like any good leader would. They went on to win 13 of 14 games which regardless of the competition is hard in the NBA. How many teams went on that kind of run this year? While he scored 30 points or more in 9 straight games. Thats called stepping up and leading your team. Teaching your teamates what it takes to be a winner. He makes every player on the Knicks better, who does Bosh make better? Who has Bosh ever made better?

People had the Knicks, even with STAT at the bottom barely a chance to make a playoff spot. You all said it. At the start of the season the Knicks are a one horse team with barely a shot at the 8th seed. But a funny thing happened during the season, all the players followed Amar'es lead and they played better then anyone anticipated. What a coincidence.

Now say this wasnt a direct reflection on Amar'es leadership. He got in front of the cameras took responsibility like a franchise player should and the whole team improved after he made that stand. When has Bosh ever displayed anything remotely like that? Never.

When has Bosh ever even been mentioned in the MVP conversation? Never.
I laugh when I hear Bosh is a superstar. He couldnt hack it as a big dog and the first chance he got to hide behind real Superstars he took it. Because he cares about winning...hardly. Because he didnt have the guts to lead, the same reason James left his team. They didnt have the stomach to lead so they looked for Wade to make it easy for them.

The year the raptors won the atlantic division thats when. Thats the year Dirk won it. Bosh was actually in the race the whole time. Alota people said that he had a genuine shot. Even Mark Cuban said if it wasnt for Dirk he would give it to Bosh.

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:43 PM
He commited before LeBron, and LeBron left to play with stars to. I guess if Carmelo leaves Denver he isnt a superstar then. I guess Carmelo wont have the guts to lead a team.

Everybody knows that every player cant win it all without a 2nd star type player
If melo leaves for us to become a knick so be it but at least he'll have a better chance getting a ring knowing he has a legit star big man in Amare next to him

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 09:44 PM
Everybody knows that every player cant win it all without a 2nd star type player
If melo leaves for us to become a knick so be it but at least he'll have a better chance getting a ring knowing he has a legit star big man in Amare next to him

Yes thats why im saying if a Superstar leaves there team that doesnt make them any less of a superstar. If Melo leaves it wont make him any less.

madiaz3
02-06-2011, 09:46 PM
He did manage 47 wins a few years back. With a rookie Andrea Bargnani and TJ Ford. Not bad if you ask me. NY is barely scratching .500 right now and Amare is getting MVP chants. This is coming from me. A Toronto fan who could care less about Bosh.

Yeah, 47 wins the year that the ECF Champion couldn't take one game off of the WCF Champion in the finals. Guess who did give the Spurs the hardest time in the playoffs though?

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 09:48 PM
Yeah, 47 wins the year that the ECF Champion couldn't take one game off of the WCF Champion in the finals. Guess who did give the Spurs the hardest time in the playoffs though?

Amare is not going to be an MVP its so funny when the fans chant MVP to a guy leading a 6th seed. You need atleast a top 3 team to do be an MVP. But Amare isnt the worst guy that fans chant MVP too. Monte Ellis gets them aswell.

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:54 PM
Amare is not going to be an MVP its so funny when the fans chant MVP to a guy leading a 6th seed. You need atleast a top 3 team to do be an MVP. But Amare isnt the worst guy that fans chant MVP too. Monte Ellis gets them aswell.

Dude they yell MVP in every arena. Hell they were screaming that for earl boykins at one time. He may not be the leagues MVP but after what Amare has done to that franchise you cant blame them for chanting MVP

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 09:56 PM
Dude they yell MVP in every arena. Hell they were screaming that for earl boykins at one time. He may not be the leagues MVP but after what Amare has done to that franchise you cant blame them for chanting MVP

what has he done?

madiaz3
02-06-2011, 09:57 PM
He commited before LeBron, and LeBron left to play with stars to. I guess if Carmelo leaves Denver he isnt a superstar then. I guess Carmelo wont have the guts to lead a team.

Amare would still lead the team. Carmelo doesn't need to be a superstar for the Knicks to be able to win with him as a second option.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 09:58 PM
Thats makes a lot of sense. You say they had it planned, yet Wade was in Miami already. The other 2 followed. Lebron quit on his team in game 5 and Bosh quit on his team when he left them to lose a playoff spot with a...rofl broken nose.

They dont lead, they quit. Wade LEAD his team to a title basically on his own. Thats a franchise player. Hell even the Diesel had to follow his lead after going down 0-2 to the Mavericks.

Knicks were 3-8 to start the season, STAT publicly called out the whole team, like any good leader would. They went on to win 13 of 14 games which regardless of the competition is hard in the NBA. How many teams went on that kind of run this year? While he scored 30 points or more in 9 straight games. Thats called stepping up and leading your team. Teaching your teamates what it takes to be a winner. He makes every player on the Knicks better, who does Bosh make better? Who has Bosh ever made better?

People had the Knicks, even with STAT at the bottom barely a chance to make a playoff spot. You all said it. At the start of the season the Knicks are a one horse team with barely a shot at the 8th seed. But a funny thing happened during the season, all the players followed Amar'es lead and they played better then anyone anticipated. What a coincidence.

Now say this wasnt a direct reflection on Amar'es leadership. He got in front of the cameras took responsibility like a franchise player should and the whole team improved after he made that stand. When has Bosh ever displayed anything remotely like that? Never.

When has Bosh ever even been mentioned in the MVP conversation? Never.

I laugh when I hear Bosh is a superstar. He couldnt hack it as a big dog and the first chance he got to hide behind real Superstars he took it. Because he cares about winning...hardly. Because he didnt have the guts to lead, the same reason James left his team. They didnt have the stomach to lead so they looked for Wade to make it easy for them.

c'mon dude hiding behind ? wow. bosh isn't a superstar i know but neither is amare and neither of them can take a team past the 1st round by themselves when amare came to ny he knew they could add another superstar

remember when amare said he wants to go to the "free agent summit" here i got you.



"I'm friends with LeBron, Dwyane, Chris [Bosh] -- all those guys are friends of mine," Stoudemire told AOL Fanhouse. "So I'm pretty sure they'll call me and we'll talk about a few things."

this proves he would have been fine with "hiding" behind 2 superstars as you called it.

and i don't think anyone knew the east would be this crap look at the 7,8 seed gross so yea some people did think knicks would struggle.

What amare is doing is no different then what bosh was doing last year, is amare the better leader ? sure but lets see amare do something more.

Crackadalic
02-06-2011, 09:59 PM
what has he done?

Exactly my point They scream that out to the teams best player in every arena.You be surprise

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 09:59 PM
Amare would still lead the team. Carmelo doesn't need to be a superstar for the Knicks to be able to win with him as a second option.

Melo isnt a catch and shoot kind of guy. Amare works well fast tempo and pick and rolls going to him. He has never really had a scorer that has the ball alot posting up like Melo. Amare has 3 point shooters around him.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 10:04 PM
Amare would still lead the team. Carmelo doesn't need to be a superstar for the Knicks to be able to win with him as a second option.

i would assume mello would be the 1st option.

BGeer091
02-06-2011, 10:04 PM
Knicks fan here.

I believe Amare is better as a number 1 option. Better leader. Better Defender. Better overall inside presence.

Bosh is still a great player. He's better suited for the role of number 2. This does not make him a worse player.

They both bring different games styles to the table. Its hard to argue against either though. Yes Amare doesnt rebound like he really should. Thats kind of his only knock. Bosh did quit on Toronto IMO. Also i'd like to see Bosh come back from the injuries and such Amare did. Another thing I don't believe if Bosh was in NY and started 3 - 8 he woulda turned the team around.

As far as the Melo to NY talk and such. I wish he'd go to another team. I also wish LeBron stayed in CLE. Only because I wish the NBA had more parody. I think it when a team was a clear cut superstar number 1. I don't like it when teams have 2 or 3 elites in the primes of their career.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 10:12 PM
Knicks fan here.

I believe Amare is better as a number 1 option. Better leader. Better Defender. Better overall inside presence.

Bosh is still a great player. He's better suited for the role of number 2. This does not make him a worse player.

They both bring different games styles to the table. Its hard to argue against either though. Yes Amare doesnt rebound like he really should. Thats kind of his only knock. Bosh did quit on Toronto IMO. Also i'd like to see Bosh come back from the injuries and such Amare did. Another thing I don't believe if Bosh was in NY and started 3 - 8 he woulda turned the team around.

As far as the Melo to NY talk and such. I wish he'd go to another team. I also wish LeBron stayed in CLE. Only because I wish the NBA had more parody. I think it when a team was a clear cut superstar number 1. I don't like it when teams have 2 or 3 elites in the primes of their career.

Toronto started 7-14 and he turned them around last year...

madiaz3
02-06-2011, 10:12 PM
i would assume mello would be the 1st option.

I feel like it would be more of a Pierce & KG kind of thing circa 07-08.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 10:18 PM
I feel like it would be more of a Pierce & KG kind of thing circa 07-08.

except both amare and mello excel at the same thing kg and pierce had different roles and fed of each other.

Giants88
02-06-2011, 10:26 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me with this thread? Amare has revitalized the Knicks! Bosh is a ***** and its real ****ing easy to score when every defense is worried about James and wade. How bout this, let's look at how the raptors did when he was the man.. Nothing! Let's look how the. Knicks are doing with amare has the man.. Theyre a playoff team! Go kill yourself you ****ing loser front running heat fans, eat **** you *****es! The Knicks are back cause of amare and soon Carmelo will be here! Go **** yourself you ****ing haters!

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 10:34 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me with this thread? Amare has revitalized the Knicks! Bosh is a ***** and its real ****ing easy to score when every defense is worried about James and wade. How bout this, let's look at how the raptors did when he was the man.. Nothing! Let's look how the. Knicks are doing with amare has the man.. Theyre a playoff team! Go kill yourself you ****ing loser front running heat fans, eat **** you *****es! The Knicks are back cause of amare and soon Carmelo will be here! Go **** yourself you ****ing haters!

Since u asked here u go



2011 Amare Stoudemire:
37.2 MIN, 26.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 49.8% FG, 2.7 AST, 2.2 BLK (before break)
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
36.2 MIN, 24.4 PPG, 11.5 REB, 52.5% FG, 2.3 AST, 1.0 BLK (before break)
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Actually given the stats and team record, Bosh '10 > Amare '11

... and one can argue the Knicks have much more talent than the Raptors had.

They basically did the same thing except bosh had better stats in some categories and a better team record. So thanks for proving our point.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 10:37 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me with this thread? Amare has revitalized the Knicks! Bosh is a ***** and its real ****ing easy to score when every defense is worried about James and wade. How bout this, let's look at how the raptors did when he was the man.. Nothing! Let's look how the. Knicks are doing with amare has the man.. Theyre a playoff team! Go kill yourself you ****ing loser front running heat fans, eat **** you *****es! The Knicks are back cause of amare and soon Carmelo will be here! Go **** yourself you ****ing haters!

a game above .500 is revitalized :confused:

i guess if you base it off the last ten years.

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 10:41 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me with this thread? Amare has revitalized the Knicks! Bosh is a ***** and its real ****ing easy to score when every defense is worried about James and wade. How bout this, let's look at how the raptors did when he was the man.. Nothing! Let's look how the. Knicks are doing with amare has the man.. Theyre a playoff team! Go kill yourself you ****ing loser front running heat fans, eat **** you *****es! The Knicks are back cause of amare and soon Carmelo will be here! Go **** yourself you ****ing haters!

First of all how old are you?
2nd did you not watch him take the Raptors to the playoffs and to a 3rd seed? Amare has taken the Knicks to a 6th seed, in the West the Knicks would be a non playoff seed. That post was very untrue and biased.

Sixerlover
02-06-2011, 10:42 PM
It's because the Knicks are the most overhyped team in the league. Of course the star of the team is going to become the most overhyped star in the league. MVP chants for a team 2 games above .500 and 3 games above my Sixers is laughable.

Bornknick73
02-06-2011, 10:43 PM
a game above .500 is revitalized :confused:

i guess if you base it off the last ten years.

How else would we base it? We've been garbage the last 10 years. We signed 1 max player and we are in playoff contention. So yes, revitalized is a very good description.

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 10:43 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me with this thread? Amare has revitalized the Knicks! Bosh is a ***** and its real ****ing easy to score when every defense is worried about James and wade. How bout this, let's look at how the raptors did when he was the man.. Nothing! Let's look how the. Knicks are doing with amare has the man.. Theyre a playoff team! Go kill yourself you ****ing loser front running heat fans, eat **** you *****es! The Knicks are back cause of amare and soon Carmelo will be here! Go **** yourself you ****ing haters!

Im Speechless. i have nothing to say but :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 10:44 PM
It's because the Knicks are the most overhyped team in the league. Of course the star of the team is going to become the most overhyped star in the league. MVP chants for a team 2 games above .500 and 3 games above my Sixers is laughable.

Atleast Philly fans arent having MVP chants for Iggy. May Aswell though :)

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 10:45 PM
How else would we base it? We've been garbage the last 10 years. We signed 1 max player and we are in playoff contention. So yes, revitalized is a very good description.

Yes and signed Raymond Felton, and are 6th seed in a very very very weak Eastern Conference. Not even close to an MVP.
If the Knicks were maybe a 3rd seed it would be different but in a Knicks world.
Amare: MVP
Landry Fields: ROY
Raymond Felton: All Star
Mozgov: One of the best center in the league.

Chanting MVP to Amare is like Warrior fans chanting MVP to Ellis.

Sixerlover
02-06-2011, 10:46 PM
Atleast Philly fans arent having MVP chants for Iggy. May Aswell though :)

I'd personally fight every fan at the Wells Fargo Center :laugh2:

Flash3
02-06-2011, 10:46 PM
How else would we base it? We've been garbage the last 10 years. We signed 1 max player and we are in playoff contention. So yes, revitalized is a very good description.

ok but did you think his incoherent paragraph made him sound like a tool ?

JB0B0
02-06-2011, 10:47 PM
What's with all of these baiting Knicks threads, that's what I want to know....give them a break for once.

justinnum1
02-06-2011, 10:48 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me with this thread? Amare has revitalized the Knicks! Bosh is a ***** and its real ****ing easy to score when every defense is worried about James and wade. How bout this, let's look at how the raptors did when he was the man.. Nothing! Let's look how the. Knicks are doing with amare has the man.. Theyre a playoff team! Go kill yourself you ****ing loser front running heat fans, eat **** you *****es! The Knicks are back cause of amare and soon Carmelo will be here! Go **** yourself you ****ing haters!

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm:

madiaz3
02-06-2011, 10:49 PM
Even if you don't think he's having an MVP season now, every rational fan should acknowledge he's CAPABLE of being a league mvp. I don't think Chris Bosh has ever, or will ever (even if he continued to play in Toronto) have major consideration as an MVP candidate.

Trying to compare the East in his 47 win season to the East today is an absolute joke. As indicated by the finals, not one team in the east had a shot at winning the finals. Today, there are at least four teams that the general public could see as capable of beating a west team in the finals. There's no comparison.

OG "Dee" LOCc
02-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Some of you make a lot of sense in your arguments but amare is so good because he plays good in new york

like, its new york, and im a new yorker (albeit a drunk one,right now) and if u do it in new york your king..no matter what...he has us a playoff team..and that is about as good as a 1st seed right now for ny..after 10 years of nothing..amare does what he can

and he doesnt look like an avatar/dinosaur like bosh

have a great nighjt

Flash3
02-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Even if you don't think he's having an MVP season now, every rational fan should acknowledge he's CAPABLE of being a league mvp. I don't think Chris Bosh has ever, or will ever (even if he continued to play in Toronto) have major consideration as an MVP candidate.

Because amare plays in new york and bosh played in Toronto.....

ewmania
02-06-2011, 10:55 PM
its not all about statistics that makes a great leader

if u check Iverson's history stats compared to billups u would think he's a better leader... but in reality chauncy has done more of the teams he was on than Iverson ever did

its just like the david lee effect... he was putting up 20+10 but he didnt have that leader and game changing effect amare has had for the knicks

Flash3
02-06-2011, 10:57 PM
btw raymond felton is currently ranked ahead of amare in the mvp race....

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/02/04/race-to-mvp-week-15/index.html

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 10:57 PM
its not all about statistics that makes a great leader

if u check Iverson's history stats compared to billups u would think he's a better leader... but in reality chauncy has done more of the teams he was on than Iverson ever did

its just like the david lee effect... he was putting up 20+10 but he didnt have that leader and game changing effect amare has had for the knicks

Leaders should play some defense and grab some boards. :)

ewmania
02-06-2011, 10:57 PM
It's because the Knicks are the most overhyped team in the league. Of course the star of the team is going to become the most overhyped star in the league. MVP chants for a team 2 games above .500 and 3 games above my Sixers is laughable.


hahaha oh please... I could of sworn the year you guys got eliminated by detroit in the playoffs they was chanting MVP for andre iguodala lol

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 10:59 PM
hahaha oh please... I could of sworn the year you guys got eliminated by detroit in the playoffs they was chanting MVP for andre iguodala lol

Thats when they made the playoffs! NY isnt in yet. They goin to be because after the 4th seed the teams are playin terrible.

ewmania
02-06-2011, 10:59 PM
Leaders should play some defense and grab some boards. :)

yeah your right... and a 7'footer name brooke lopez needs to be putting up more than 5.6 rebounds a game lol:facepalm: im just saying lol

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:00 PM
hahaha oh please... I could of sworn the year you guys got eliminated by detroit in the playoffs they was chanting MVP for andre iguodala lol

LOL!! Knicks will be eliminated 1st round this year. lol

ewmania
02-06-2011, 11:01 PM
Thats when they made the playoffs! NY isnt in yet. They goin to be because after the 4th seed the teams are playin terrible.

hahaha good one

i love how miami heat is so bold now. when they couldnt even get pass the atlanta hawks in the first round ... and even with lebron and bosh you still havent beat the celtics since last season's playoffs lol

Flash3
02-06-2011, 11:01 PM
yea right now no one considers amare mvp.... he was early in the season but with the way knicks have been playing lately he's dropped out.

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:01 PM
yeah your right... and a 7'footer name brooke lopez needs to be putting up more than 5.6 rebounds a game lol:facepalm: im just saying lol


This isnt about Brook Lopez, as I didnt talk about him once. He has something wrong with him since the past 2 seasons he has put up tons of double doubles. The Mono has made him lose a lot of weight and look really weak.

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:01 PM
Yes and signed Raymond Felton, and are 6th seed in a very very very weak Eastern Conference. Not even close to an MVP.
If the Knicks were maybe a 3rd seed it would be different but in a Knicks world.
Amare: MVP
Landry Fields: ROY
Raymond Felton: All Star
Mozgov: One of the best center in the league.

Chanting MVP to Amare is like Warrior fans chanting MVP to Ellis.

what? here he is, great name by the way:laugh2:

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 11:02 PM
yeah your right... and a 7'footer name brooke lopez needs to be putting up more than 5.6 rebounds a game lol:facepalm: im just saying lol

No ones talkin about lopez. Amare Stoudamire is who were talking about.

ewmania
02-06-2011, 11:02 PM
LOL!! Knicks will be eliminated 1st round this year. lol

lol and derick favors will be fishing with devin harris when we do

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 11:02 PM
its not all about statistics that makes a great leader

if u check Iverson's history stats compared to billups u would think he's a better leader... but in reality chauncy has done more of the teams he was on than Iverson ever did

its just like the david lee effect... he was putting up 20+10 but he didnt have that leader and game changing effect amare has had for the knicks

Okay ill entertain this arguement. What game changing effect has amare had that bosh hasnt???

2011 Amare Stoudemire:
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Seems like bosh has had the bigger changing effect if u consider record and seed...

especially if u add on that amare has a better supporting cast than bosh did and bosh was really young when he did lead the raptors to a playoff spot and 3rd seed.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 11:03 PM
hahaha good one

i love how miami heat is so bold now. when they couldnt even get pass the atlanta hawks in the first round ... and even with lebron and bosh you still havent beat the celtics since last season's playoffs lol

wow didnt know we had bosh and lebron last playoffs cause that sentence doesnt make sense unless we did.

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:04 PM
this just in Nets lose again:) Blueprint for Success:D

ewmania
02-06-2011, 11:05 PM
Okay ill entertain this arguement. What game changing effect has amare had that bosh hasnt???

2011 Amare Stoudemire:
Knicks Record: 25-24 (6th seed) "Currently" before All-star Break

2010 Chris Bosh:
Raptors Record: 29-23 (5th seed) before All-star Break

Seems like bosh has had the bigger changing effect if u consider record and seed...

actually any raptors fan can tell they were playing better when bosh was injured

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:05 PM
lol and derick favors will be fishing with devin harris when we do


LOL!!
Once Knicks are out are you guys going to buy your New York Knick Melo Jerseys?

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:06 PM
LOL!!
Once Knicks are out are you guys going to buy your New York Knick Melo Jerseys?

You mad LOL:D

Flash3
02-06-2011, 11:06 PM
actually any raptors fan can tell they were playing better when bosh was injured

go find one.. cause i'm pretty sure they didn't make the playoffs cause he wasn't playing..

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 11:06 PM
hahaha good one

i love how miami heat is so bold now. when they couldnt even get pass the atlanta hawks in the first round ... and even with lebron and bosh you still havent beat the celtics since last season's playoffs lol

Its a new year. Your still living in the past lol. Heat have had team chemistry problems. That happens when you take 2 superstars and one of the best pfs in the game and make a team around them. Heat are no where near complete chemistry wise. Playoff time youll see what the heat are about.Heat played the celtics 2 times early in the season when are chemistry was horrible. Theres still 2 more games against celtics youll see the improvements. The heat have taken huge strides as a team and there still doin that man.

ewmania
02-06-2011, 11:07 PM
wow didnt know we had bosh and lebron last playoffs cause that sentence doesnt make sense unless we did.

i see u read that wrong... referring to this season when boston beat you twice home and away... you guys still havent beat them even with the big 3 on your team...

Slimsim
02-06-2011, 11:08 PM
I'm just happy he's on our side And anyone who wouldn't want him Is just a hater

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 11:08 PM
actually any raptors fan can tell they were playing better when bosh was injured

Really thats it?? ur not gonna answer the question to validate ur own arguement that i bothered to hear u out on and give u a chance to educate me on why amare deserves his praise over bosh?

So so far we have stats pretty equal (maybe even a little in boshs favor ) and wins in boshs favor (aka impact on a team).And i have yet to hear how amare has a bigger impact, instead i just get hearsay.

Slimsim
02-06-2011, 11:09 PM
LOL!!
Once Knicks are out are you guys going to buy your New York Knick Melo Jerseys?

lol Why not He wants to Be a Knick :D

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:09 PM
Thank god for the Miami Heat!
Once they get a bench and learn each others game it will be championships for Miami the next 5 years. Amares contract will be for nothing.

This is awesome
LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Joe Johnson, Cliff Lee, Carl Crawford!!! Whos next!

ewmania
02-06-2011, 11:09 PM
Its a new year. Your still living in the past lol. Heat have had team chemistry problems. That happens when you take 2 superstars and one of the best pfs in the game and make a team around them. Heat are no where near complete chemistry wise. Playoff time youll see what the heat are about.Heat played the celtics 2 times early in the season when are chemistry was horrible. Theres still 2 more games against celtics youll see the improvements. The heat have taken huge strides as a team and there still doin that man.

lol didnt you guys almost just blow a 20 point lead with only 6minutes to go in orlando the other night?

all im saying is things happens u know.. but when u put superstars and one all-star on your team... is stuff like that suppose to happen :confused: im just saying

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 11:10 PM
lol didnt you guys almost just blow a 20 point lead with only 6minutes to go in orlando the other night?

all im saying is things happens u know.. but when u put superstars and one all-star on your team... is stuff like that suppose to happen :confused: im just saying

LOL did we get the W?

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:10 PM
lol didnt you guys almost just blow a 20 point lead with only 6minutes to go in orlando the other night?

all im saying is things happens u know.. but when u put superstars and one all-star on your team... is stuff like that suppose to happen :confused: im just saying

LOL Kevin Love 30 and 30!

Bornknick73
02-06-2011, 11:11 PM
Its a new year. Your still living in the past lol. Heat have had team chemistry problems. That happens when you take 2 superstars and one of the best pfs in the game and make a team around them. Heat are no where near complete chemistry wise. Playoff time youll see what the heat are about.Heat played the celtics 2 times early in the season when are chemistry was horrible. Theres still 2 more games against celtics youll see the improvements. The heat have taken huge strides as a team and there still doin that man.

LOLOLOLOL dude thats hysterical.....you got a Raptors theme on top, a canadian location and a Miami SIG......can you spell


FAIR WEATHER FRONTRUNNER?

Slimsim
02-06-2011, 11:12 PM
Thank god for the Miami Heat!
Once they get a bench and learn each others game it will be championships for Miami the next 5 years. Amares contract will be for nothing.

This is awesome
LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Joe Johnson, Cliff Lee, Carl Crawford!!! Whos next!

Why don't you become a heat fan ? Good luck trying to get the number 1 Pick for the next 5 years

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:12 PM
I'm just happy he's on our side And anyone who wouldn't want him Is just a hater

agreed:D

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 11:12 PM
SO since the knick fan cant back up his own arguement can anyone tell me how amare has a bigger impact on his team if around the same time this year bosh had his less talented team at a higher seed and better record???

Someone? anyone?

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:13 PM
Why don't you become a heat fan ? Good luck trying to get the number 1 Pick for the next 5 years

I love draft picks, to bad Knicks dont own any!

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:14 PM
Thank god for the Miami Heat!
Once they get a bench and learn each others game it will be championships for Miami the next 5 years. Amares contract will be for nothing.

This is awesome
LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Joe Johnson, Cliff Lee, Carl Crawford!!! Whos next!

so are you a Nets and a Mets fan:speechless:

ewmania
02-06-2011, 11:14 PM
LOL Kevin Love 30 and 30!

hey im a kevin love fan i have no problem, congrads on his stats

unlike others i give credit when credit was due... I actually was the first one that was happy when miami came back on the radar because knicks and miami had some of the best 90's basketball in history . but when people come at my captains neck i will defend him because out of all the superstars he had the gonads to take on a team with nobody on it lol

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:15 PM
I love draft picks, to bad Knicks dont own any!

it seems like its working for you:rolleyes:

Bornknick73
02-06-2011, 11:16 PM
LOL!!
Once Knicks are out are you guys going to buy your New York Knick Melo Jerseys?

Ill take a 2x Melo jersey, and while your at it whip up a D12 and a CP3 for 2012. Just so i can cover my bases. Might as well throw in a Deron too just to be on the safe side. Man i gotta ask Donnie how he does it. Melo this year with enough for one of those 3 next year. Tough choice for sure.

Decisions...decisions....

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:17 PM
it seems like its working for you:rolleyes:

Most draft picks the next 2 years im so excited!

Sixerlover
02-06-2011, 11:18 PM
hahaha oh please... I could of sworn the year you guys got eliminated by detroit in the playoffs they was chanting MVP for andre iguodala lol

You know what... Probably, I won't put it past us :laugh2:

...But that still doesn't excuse the Knicks, and I just really don't like the Knicks

MackSnackWrap
02-06-2011, 11:18 PM
LOLOLOLOL dude thats hysterical.....you got a Raptors theme on top, a canadian location and a Miami SIG......can you spell


FAIR WEATHER FRONTRUNNER?

Do you have A.D.D why are you changin the topic??? Since when is it illegal to be a raptor and a heat fan? Im confused care to explain.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 11:19 PM
hey im a kevin love fan i have no problem, congrads on his stats

unlike others i give credit when credit was due... I actually was the first one that was happy when miami came back on the radar because knicks and miami had some of the best 90's basketball in history . but when people come at my captains neck i will defend him because out of all the superstars he had the gonads to take on a team with nobody on it lol

cause he knew they can add another superstar... he was also considering miami or any other team that would build a superteam.

ewmania
02-06-2011, 11:20 PM
You know what... Probably, I won't put it past us :laugh2:

...But that still doesn't excuse the Knicks, and I just really don't like the Knicks

hahahaha i respect that, atleast u admit it... it makes the relationship more understandable... and i actually hate philly and jersey... i actually hate every team in our division.. but i have alot of respect for boston and philly just dont like them

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:20 PM
LeBron James cheered at the Garden before he went to Miami.
Why was he cheered and now booed by Knick fans?

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 11:22 PM
Still waiting on word about amares impact over boshs even though bosh this time last year led a worse team to a higher seed and record...

ewmania
02-06-2011, 11:22 PM
LeBron James cheered at the Garden before he went to Miami.
Why was he cheered and now booed by Knick fans?

ummmmmm

maybe cause he's not a NY knick. when we thought he was going to be we cheered and now he's on a team we've hated for 20years ... i mean its not rocket science lol

Young and Stupid
02-06-2011, 11:23 PM
LeBron James cheered at the Garden before he went to Miami.
Why was he cheered and now booed by Knick fans?

There's not even enough fans at Nets game to boo the terrible performance that they put on every night. Stop.

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:23 PM
why are there soooo many empty seats in Newark:D

madiaz3
02-06-2011, 11:23 PM
SO since the knick fan cant back up his own arguement can anyone tell me how amare has a bigger impact on his team if around the same time this year bosh had his less talented team at a higher seed and better record???

Someone? anyone?

It would be a much more needed argument from you to actually suggest that the East of 2006-07 was even close to as competitive as the Eastern Conference of 2010-2011.

Please humor me and explain why the competition is comparable. Are we to believe that Bosh's team of 2006-07 would be anywhere close to a 3 seed in the East of 2010-11? That's basically what you're suggesting.

If this can be shown at ANY level, then your argument has some merit. But since the burden of proof is on you, no one should be expected to argue with your current logic.

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:25 PM
why are there soooo many empty seats in Newark:D

Because the Nets fans are sick of losing we are a winning franchise, we dont show up to the most embarssing team in the league for the past 6 years and cheer.
Cant believe yet again this thread is about Amare and the Knicks but when Knick fans are insulted they turn their heads to your franchise.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 11:27 PM
Still waiting on word about amares impact over boshs even though bosh this time last year led a worse team to a higher seed and record...

you won't get any.

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:28 PM
you won't get any.

Mosgov future Hall of Famer.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 11:28 PM
It would be a much more needed argument from you to actually suggest that the East of 2006-07 was even close to as competitive as the Eastern Conference of 2010-2011.

Please humor me and explain why the competition is comparable. Are we to believe that Bosh's team of 2006-07 would be anywhere close to a 3 seed in the East of 2010-11? That's basically what you're suggesting.

If this can be shown at ANY level, then your argument has some merit. But since the burden of proof is on you, no one should be expected to argue with your current logic.

he's talking about bosh this time last year compared to what amare is doing this year.

Young and Stupid
02-06-2011, 11:28 PM
Because the Nets fans are sick of losing we are a winning franchise.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:28 PM
Because the Nets fans are sick of losing we are a winning franchise, we dont show up to the most embarssing team in the league for the past 6 years and cheer.
Cant believe yet again this thread is about Amare and the Knicks but when Knick fans are insulted they turn their heads to your franchise.

really should I pull up some of your post in this thread.....come on man:facepalm:

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:31 PM
really should I pull up some of your post in this thread.....come on man:facepalm:

Oak I always feel you know im right but you just come up with an excuse. A 12 win Nets team beat the Knicks last year. Knicks and Nets are tied with wins against each other. 2 Final apperances in last 10 years.

Hoopsadvocate
02-06-2011, 11:33 PM
It would be a much more needed argument from you to actually suggest that the East of 2006-07 was even close to as competitive as the Eastern Conference of 2010-2011.

Please humor me and explain why the competition is comparable.

If this can be shown at ANY level, then your argument has some merit. But since the burden of proof is on you, no one should be expected to argue with your current logic.

Sure ill give it a shot even though its clearly a little derailing of the topic but since i have seemed to silence every knick fan but u i will humor ur comment.

Ahhhheeemmm

2006-2007:

Detroit Pistons: Not long removed from NBA finals and still playing some of the best basketball in the league not to mention there own conference as they were the team to beat in the east at the time.

Lebron james Cavs went to the finals he pretty much had to play his best ball to carry a team that far.

Miami Heat: Just won the finals the year before.

So thats the top 3 teams one would think coming into the season.

Not to mention the veteran nets at the time were always a playoff lock kind of this years atl hawks if u will.

Now bosh's raptors the year before were 27-55 and didnt even make the playoffs or come close but this year he helped them make the jump in and to 3rd place. (essentially playing the roles of this years bulls id say is a fair comparison in terms of making a big jump and into playoff contention and competitiveness)

2010-2011:

Celtics: nuff said

Heat: Nuff said

Orlando: 2 years removed from the finals

and then a resrugent bulls team

and thats about it the rest of the east is pretty insignificant except for the hawks who just make it but never do anything..

So basically while this year is 1 more team competitive in the equation. Not much.

your turn :)

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:37 PM
In the playoffs, I think I will become a Miami Heat fan. Every time Knicks vs Heat I will be rooting on a team that deserves to go down as one of the best ever.
Miami Heat era will live on for the next decade in the 4th year of their back to back to back championships Amare will be retired because his knees are done and doesnt get a rest.
LeBron James
Wade
Bosh

live on forever!

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:39 PM
Oak I always feel you know im right but you just come up with an excuse. A 12 win Nets team beat the Knicks last year. Knicks and Nets are tied with wins against each other. 2 Final apperances in last 10 years.

you said stay on the topic but youve been all over the place:D

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:41 PM
2014 Meadowlands
SuperBowl
New Jersey! but NY sports writers will declare it a NY Superbowl because they are jealous.
NBA Draft 2011 Newark NJ.

Young and Stupid
02-06-2011, 11:42 PM
2014 Meadowlands
SuperBowl
New Jersey! but NY sports writers will declare it a NY Superbowl because they are jealous.
NBA Draft 2011 Newark NJ.

Nobody cares about New Jersey. It's been established. Get over it.

Slimsim
02-06-2011, 11:42 PM
I love draft picks, to bad Knicks dont own any!

You Guys develop Your picks and in 5 years we just Get them in FA.

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:44 PM
Ron Artest a NY Native is a Nets fan!
Shaq wants to wants to be an owner of the Nets when he retires.

Got to love this!

Slimsim
02-06-2011, 11:44 PM
Do you have A.D.D why are you changin the topic??? Since when is it illegal to be a raptor and a heat fan? Im confused care to explain.

:facepalm:

Because since the raptor suck you jump on the heat banwagon and talk **** about other teams.

Flash3
02-06-2011, 11:45 PM
You Guys develop Your picks and in 5 years we just Get them in FA.

Burn !!!!!!

and then when you develop yours we'll take them :o

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:46 PM
Ron Artest a NY Native is a Nets fan!
Shaq wants to wants to be an owner of the Nets when he retires.

Got to love this!
Link? didnt think so:rolleyes:

DoMeFavors
02-06-2011, 11:47 PM
Link? didnt think so:rolleyes:

for what?

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:47 PM
Burn !!!!!!

and then when you develop yours we'll take them :o

this should be good explain.....

Flash3
02-06-2011, 11:49 PM
explain what ?

oak2455
02-06-2011, 11:53 PM
explain what ?

and then when you develop yours we'll take them
that:confused: