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bulls_world23
02-03-2011, 02:14 AM
There has been lots of international players in this league for a long time. Who do you think was the best one of all time? Back in the day I would say D.Mutombo. right now I would say Dirk.

Avenged
02-03-2011, 02:25 AM
Hakeem!

Right now Dirk

Toxeryll
02-03-2011, 02:27 AM
hakeem!

Right now dirk

+1

TrueFan420
02-03-2011, 02:30 AM
Hakeem!

Right now Dirk

+1

maybe nash from a few years ago could have taken that spot from dirk

bulls_world23
02-03-2011, 02:34 AM
What about Duncan :shrug:

Chacarron
02-03-2011, 02:38 AM
Hakeem "Akeem" "The Dream" Olajuwon.

Korman12
02-03-2011, 02:46 AM
Duncan was born in the U.S. Virgin Islands, so I'll consider him to be American.

Hakeem, Nash, Dirk, and Pau are the best all-time. Sabonis would have been there too had he ever played in the NBA during his prime.

bulls_world23
02-03-2011, 02:51 AM
Ooohh I forgot bout my home boy Eduardo Najera

chicago lulz
02-03-2011, 02:53 AM
Nash is my fav. Dirk currently.

asandhu23
02-03-2011, 03:04 AM
1. Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Dikembe Mutombo
4. Vlade Divac.
5. Yao Ming
6. Steve Nash
7. Manute Bol
8. Peja Stojakvic....

who else...

asandhu23
02-03-2011, 03:06 AM
Oh yeah. Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili

Zetterberg40
02-03-2011, 03:26 AM
1. Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Dikembe Mutombo
4. Vlade Divac.
5. Yao Ming
6. Steve Nash
7. Manute Bol
8. Peja Stojakvic....

who else...

good to see someone giving Vlade his respect Nash deserves to be higher though the guy is a top time MVP you can make a case for him being number 1 since no other foriegn player has done that I don't believe he also is likely to make the top 3 in all time assists before he is finished 20,000 points is also not out of the question I think without a doubt he is top 3 and before hes done would surpass the Dream for number 1 in my books.

Also Yao Ming at 5????? maybe if he had of stayed healthy very good list though

bears88
02-03-2011, 03:28 AM
1. Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Dikembe Mutombo
4. Vlade Divac.
5. Yao Ming
6. Steve Nash
7. Manute Bol
8. Peja Stojakvic....

who else...

your sig is making my jaw drop to the ground :faint:

asandhu23
02-03-2011, 03:48 AM
good to see someone giving Vlade his respect Nash deserves to be higher though the guy is a top time MVP you can make a case for him being number 1 since no other foriegn player has done that I don't believe he also is likely to make the top 3 in all time assists before he is finished 20,000 points is also not out of the question I think without a doubt he is top 3 and before hes done would surpass the Dream for number 1 in my books.

Also Yao Ming at 5????? maybe if he had of stayed healthy very good list though

those are not rankings... i just named them.

Zetterberg40
02-03-2011, 03:52 AM
those are not rankings... i just named them.

ah my bad sometimes I see the numbers and automatically assume rankings

gsgs49
02-03-2011, 06:29 AM
Patrick Ewing and Dominique Wilkins anybody?

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 09:59 AM
Wow!!! 15 posts and only one mention of the name Arvydas Sabonis; HellCrooner is going to come in here and school all you fools.

To add to all the names mentioned I'd say

Dominique Wilkins (he was born in France he is considered as international born but he didn't play an international style however)

Patrick Ewing (Born and lived in Jamaica until the age of 11)

Andrew Bogut (don't sleep on him he has the potential to be a top 7 international C)

Drazen Petrovic (what could have been viewed by many as the European G.O.A.T. Scored 112 points in a single YUBA game)

Dino Radja (had a splendid European career but wasn't that great in the NBA)

Those are all my additions for now. Crooner is going to come in here and start saying Toni Kukoc, Detlef Schrempf, Rony Seikaly, Marc Gasol (future). Bet your last dollar he's also going to tell you how Sabonis owning David Robinson in the 1986 world championships. Bank on it.

JermanJaysFan
02-03-2011, 10:18 AM
Al Horford and Roy Hibbert are up-and-comers.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 10:27 AM
Al Horford and Roy Hibbert are up-and-comers.

:confused:

You did read the thread title right Hibbert is born American.

JermanJaysFan
02-03-2011, 10:31 AM
:confused:

You did read the thread title right?

He's Jamaican.

alencp3
02-03-2011, 10:32 AM
No love for Drazen Petrovic????????????????
Stupid americans u know ****

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 10:34 AM
If we're going to talk about up and comers, Al Horford, Serge Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ricky Rubio, Danilo Gallinari, Nene, Andrew Bogut and Andrea Bargnani are all names that comes to mind. AK47 also deserves a special mention among current international players.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 10:35 AM
No love for Drazen Petrovic????????????????
Stupid americans u know ****

I named him, I am not American either. lol

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 10:38 AM
He's Jamaican.

His family is. He was born in Queens NY not Jamaica.

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 11:54 AM
if you played for team usa you should be off the list of "internationals".
Just saying...

sep11ie
02-03-2011, 12:02 PM
Monta Ellis

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 12:10 PM
if you played for team usa you should be off the list of "internationals".
Just saying...

I am SHOCKED that that is all you have to say :speechless:

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 12:11 PM
Starters : Steve Nash, Dratzen Petrovic, Peja Stojakovic, Dirk Nowitzky, Pau Gasol
Bench : T Parker, Manu Ginobili,Toni Kukoc,Dino Radja, Arvydas Sabonis
Honorable fillers for 12 man roster : Rik Smits, Vlade Divac

Korman12
02-03-2011, 12:25 PM
Starters : Steve Nash, Dratzen Petrovic, Peja Stojakovic, Dirk Nowitzky, Pau Gasol
Bench : T Parker, Manu Ginobili,Toni Kukoc,Dino Radja, Arvydas Sabonis
Honorable fillers for 12 man roster : Rik Smits, Vlade Divac

Just curious to why no Hakeem. Cause he played college ball in the U.S.?

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 12:33 PM
Starters : Steve Nash, Dratzen Petrovic, Peja Stojakovic, Dirk Nowitzky, Pau Gasol
Bench : T Parker, Manu Ginobili,Toni Kukoc,Dino Radja, Arvydas Sabonis
Honorable fillers for 12 man roster : Rik Smits, Vlade Divac

Would you start prime Pau over prime Sabonis? I bet you'd say you'd move Pau over to PF and put Dirk on the bench. :D

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 12:46 PM
Just curious to why no Hakeem. Cause he played college ball in the U.S.?

not only that but this too

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/events/1996/olympics/daily/july20/images/01.jpg

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 12:48 PM
Just curious to why no Hakeem. Cause he played college ball in the U.S.?

He considers anyone who has represented America in any form of basketball a none international. His logic being that they don't adapt what is being considered the international game/style.

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 12:56 PM
He considers anyone who has represented America in any form of basketball a none international. His logic being that they don't adapt what is being considered the international game/style.

Hakeem or Wilkins Or Duncan got their formative years in Usa, then they chose to represent Usa so that makes them Americans in my books.

Smits or Schrempf played ncaa but yet represented Holland and Germany so i still consider them international.

Im on teh fence on considering or not considering international Wally Scerbiak. He is BORN IN MADRID, he played his young years in Spain then went NCAA, never represented Usa or Spain in international competition.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 01:05 PM
Hakeem or Wilkins Or Duncan got their formative years in Usa, then they chose to represent Usa so that makes them Americans in my books.

Smits or Schrempf played ncaa but yet represented Holland and Germany so i still consider them international.

Im on teh fence on considering or not considering international Wally Scerbiak. He is BORN IN MADRID, he played his young years in Spain then went NCAA, never represented Usa or Spain in international competition.

IMO a case could be made that their could theoretically be a difference between an International player (eg Dirk, Pau, Manu) and a player who was just not born in the US (eg. Boozer, Horford, Ben Gordon). The upbringing, coaching, style, habits etc have all been impacted by the part of the world in which they play most of their basketball growing up.

It could be said that Dirk, Pau, Manu etc are true INTERNATIONAL basketball players while Boozer, Horford, Gordon etc were just players who were born outside of the US. That's just my take on this.

It can be viewed in either context IMO.

JermanJaysFan
02-03-2011, 01:18 PM
His family is. He was born in Queens NY not Jamaica.

What's your point? That doesn't mean he's not Jamaican. He played on their national team.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 01:24 PM
What's your point? That doesn't mean he's not Jamaican. He played on their national team.

:facepalm:

Ok then born and raised in the US but played on their national team so I understand he's Jamaican. Just like Joakim Noah is french right? Hakeem is American right? :clap:

bulls_world23
02-03-2011, 01:49 PM
Where's the Najera love?

J-Relo
02-03-2011, 02:29 PM
Starters : Steve Nash, Dratzen Petrovic, Peja Stojakovic, Dirk Nowitzky, Pau Gasol
Bench : T Parker, Manu Ginobili,Toni Kukoc,Dino Radja, Arvydas Sabonis
Honorable fillers for 12 man roster : Rik Smits, Vlade Divac

i would rather have Sabonis or even Vlade in the starting lineup, but you list is quite good :cool:

Hawkeye15
02-03-2011, 02:43 PM
Duncan was born in the U.S. Virgin Islands, so I'll consider him to be American.

Hakeem, Nash, Dirk, and Pau are the best all-time. Sabonis would have been there too had he ever played in the NBA during his prime.

pretty much took my answer. I also think Drazen Petrovic may have been in the discussion had he not died at 28 in Germany. Dude was straight baller

Atticus Finch
02-03-2011, 02:52 PM
What's your point? That doesn't mean he's not Jamaican. He played on their national team.

If we were basing this entirely off heritage and family history then most players in the NBA in some way would be considered international. But this is based on where the player was born and where they learned the game, Ewing was born in the US, learned to play ball here, and went to college here. In no way could be considered international.

Atticus Finch
02-03-2011, 02:53 PM
:facepalm:

Ok then born and raised in the US but played on their national team so I understand he's Jamaican. Just like Joakim Noah is french right? Hakeem is American right? :clap:

Dont forget about the big blonde German in the league. No not dirk, I meant Chris Kaman of course

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 02:59 PM
Dont forget about the big blonde German in the league. No not dirk, I meant Chris Kaman of course

Yup!

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 03:03 PM
i would rather have Sabonis or even Vlade in the starting lineup, but you list is quite good :cool:

neither sabonis ( due to his knees and reporting too late to the league) nor divac were better in the league than Pau or Dirk.

i had a tough time tough deciding between petro and manu.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 03:10 PM
neither sabonis ( due to his knees and reporting too late to the league) nor divac were better in the league than Pau or Dirk.

i had a tough time tough deciding between petro and manu.

You based this solely on their performance in the NBA then? Thought you would go via talent at their peak.

magichatnumber9
02-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Kobe Bryant.

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 03:14 PM
You based this solely on their performance in the NBA then? Thought you would go via talent at their peak.

mixed both things but nba performance has a higer importance since we are talking internationals in NBA.

if we were talking generally counting everything there are at least 3 players tht never went to the nba ( basically because back then if you signed for an nba team you could not represent your country, and because american coaches dont trusted non ncaa talent) tht would make the roster.
Oscar Schmidt from Brazil
Dratzen Dalipaglic from then yugoslavia ( i think he was bosnian)
juan antonio San epifanio from Spain ( declared in europe as best european player from the 80s, yes OVER Dratzen and Sabonis)

rhino17
02-03-2011, 03:16 PM
My 15 man roster, very top heavy, but I went with the best players

C: Hakeem Olajuwon/ Patrick Ewing/ Vlade Divac/ Yao Ming/ Dikembe Mutombo
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/ Pau Gasol/ Luis Scola
SF: Peja Stojakovic/ Toni Kukoc/ Detlef Schrempf
SG: Manu Ginobili/ Drazen Petrovic
PG: Steve Nash/ Tony Parker

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 03:21 PM
My 15 man roster, very top heavy, but I went with the best players

C: Hakeem Olajuwon/ Patrick Ewing/ Vlade Divac/ Yao Ming/ Dikembe Mutombo
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/ Pau Gasol/ Luis Scola
SF: Peja Stojakovic/ Toni Kukoc/ Detlef Schrempf
SG: Manu Ginobili/ Drazen Petrovic
PG: Steve Nash/ Tony Parker

dream and ewing are

1 american citizens
2 who played in ncaa
3 who played for team USA.

so....out of eligibility

LongWayFromHome
02-03-2011, 03:21 PM
Sabonis

After all of his injuries
31yr 14 pts/ 8 reb/ 2 ast/ 1 blk / .9 stl - 23MPG
32yr 13 pts/ 8 reb/ 2 ast/ 1 blk/ .9 stil - 25MPG
33yr 16 pts/ 10 reb/ 3 ast/ 1 blk/ .9 stl - 30 MPG

His NBA career was limited by his preceding injuries
In his first 5 seasons was top 7 in Def Rat all 5 times
Top 8 in wins48 3 times.

I think he was scared to come to US cuz he grew up in USSR and was probably taught that the US was "bad".

If he's in the NBA in his prime. I think he has 5 seasons of 25/14/5-ish maybe 3 blk

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 03:22 PM
its strange no kobe fanboy has come yet telling us how Kobe bryant is the best international ever cause he grew up in italy and spain...

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 03:24 PM
Sabonis

After all of his injuries
31yr 14 pts/ 8 reb/ 2 ast/ 1 blk / .9 stl - 23MPG
32yr 13 pts/ 8 reb/ 2 ast/ 1 blk/ .9 stil - 25MPG
33yr 16 pts/ 10 reb/ 3 ast/ 1 blk/ .9 stl - 30 MPG

His NBA career was limited by his preceding injuries
In his first 5 seasons was top 7 in Def Rat all 5 times
Top 8 in wins48 3 times.

I think he was scared to come to US cuz he grew up in USSR and was probably taught that the US was "bad".

If he's in the NBA in his prime. I think he has 5 seasons of 25/14/5-ish maybe 3 blk

He blew his knees in 1989.
Porland lowballed with the contract.
He decided to win more In Europe ( was the highest paid player for a long time)
When contract was over Portland decided to indeed pay him.

If he hadnt blown his knees he woudl ahve been the BEST center in the 90s.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 03:24 PM
its strange no kobe fanboy has come yet telling us how Kobe bryant is the best international ever cause he grew up in italy and spain...

Crooner are you insane!!! Most of his fans on here are Americans they wont for a second not claim him as their own. No American would do that.

Flash3
02-03-2011, 03:26 PM
+1

maybe nash from a few years ago could have taken that spot from dirk

idk if i would consider nash "international"

rhino17
02-03-2011, 03:26 PM
dream and ewing are

1 american citizens
2 who played in ncaa
3 who played for team USA.

so....out of eligibility

Hakeem grew up his entire life until college in Nigeria and still resides in Nigeria, he is a foreign born player and are crazy if you think otherwise, foreign born players are allowed to play in the NCAA and still be foreign


Ewing is debatable as he lived in Jamaica until he immigrated to the US, I'll consider that a toss up


you can immigrate and become an American citizen all you want, but you are still of foreign origins

rhino17
02-03-2011, 03:28 PM
its strange no kobe fanboy has come yet telling us how Kobe bryant is the best international ever cause he grew up in italy and spain...

Because Kobe is an American and is of American origin

same with Dominique Wilkins

Rex-Raptorz
02-03-2011, 03:43 PM
Jose Calderon is the best spanish point Guard of all time but Rubio is gonna beat him soon enough,

Bornknick73
02-03-2011, 05:19 PM
Manute Bol was a bum

JayTee1981
02-03-2011, 05:28 PM
1. Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Dikembe Mutombo
4. Vlade Divac.
5. Yao Ming
6. Steve Nash
7. Manute Bol
8. Peja Stojakvic....

who else...

you seriously put Peja, Divac and Bol ahead of Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili

this post deserves a :facepalm:

Hellcrooner
02-03-2011, 06:09 PM
Jose Calderon is the best spanish point Guard of all time but Rubio is gonna beat him soon enough,

Hes not even close to Juan Antonio Corbalan and Ignacio Solozabal.
But they never played Nba.

KingPosey
02-03-2011, 06:16 PM
sarunas marciulionis could score the rock.

bulls_world23
02-03-2011, 06:52 PM
you seriously put Peja, Divac and Bol ahead of Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili

this post deserves a :facepalm:

x2

Raph12
02-03-2011, 07:14 PM
Hakeem!

Right now Dirk

1/2 right; Hakeem and Pau IMO

blastmasta26
02-03-2011, 09:09 PM
Hakeem is the best international player of all time in my opinion. Only guy I would put in my NBA top 10 all time.

bulls_world23
02-04-2011, 12:11 AM
Ooohh can't forget Deng.