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Swashcuff
02-02-2011, 09:45 PM
Can LeBron James be the first player in NBA History to accomplish this feat?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=10000&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=6000&c3stat=ast&c3comp=gt&c3val=6000&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=player&order_by_asc=Y

There is a list of all the players in league history who have gotten at least 10,00 points 6,000 rebounds and 6,000 assists over the course of their NBA career. Kidd is the only one on that list who is still active but he isn't likely to get there. If it wasn't for early retirement Magic would have gotten there IMO.

LeBron currently stands at 16448 points ☑ 4190 rebounds ☒ and 4146 ☒ assists over the 7 1/2 seasons of his NBA career thus far.

To have a shot he'd had to average around 7+ rebounds and assists per game and of course play in an average of 75+ over his next 8 seasons. Then from there out if his numbers do take a dive he wont have much ground to make up.

He has the advantage over everyone else on that list because unlike others he got a head start coming into the league at 18.

HoopsDrive
02-02-2011, 09:50 PM
Interesting topic right here... he'd have to play a long time avg 7+ in both boards and dimes. I believe it's possible for him. Points are done. He will probably be the primary facilitator his entire career so I think he gets 10k dimes. I think the boards take a hit when he nears the end so I see that being the main obstacle.

Khalifa21
02-02-2011, 09:51 PM
If he only needs to average 7 rebounds and 7 assists for the next 8 or so years (which I think is completely possible) to get close to it, I think he has a great chance.

If he remains healthy and plays at his current level until he's about 31/32, and then still maintains a pretty high level of play until he's 35, I reckon he'll do it.

thekmp211
02-02-2011, 09:54 PM
boards will be the hardest, especially if he ever plays with a real big man.

ATX
02-02-2011, 09:56 PM
Yes, I think he could do it if he can avoid injury. It won't be easy, and I could certainly understand if fell short of these extremely lofty expectations, but I think it's possible. If he stays healthy, and he's shown me nothing to say otherwise, I'd assume he plays another 10/11 years.

Gibby
02-02-2011, 09:58 PM
unless we see some career threatening injury, i think he will do it.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-02-2011, 09:58 PM
He'll be like 35 in 8 seasons more seasons. I can still see him playing until he's about 38.


So I think he has the chance.

He'll probably more oriented to passing and rebounding when he's in the latter years of his career.

ATX
02-02-2011, 10:02 PM
He'll be like 35 in 8 seasons more seasons. I can still see him playing until he's about 38.


So I think he has the chance.

He'll probably more oriented to passing and rebounding when he's in the latter years of his career.

Yep, he'd be 34 years old to start season eight and 37 to start season 11.

Swashcuff
02-02-2011, 10:03 PM
boards will be the hardest, especially if he ever plays with a real big man.

I agree

superkegger
02-02-2011, 10:19 PM
unless we see some career threatening injury, i think he will do it.

pretty much.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 12:19 AM
I am a bit surprised by the voting thus far. Really thought a larger percentage would say no.

bal_ravens
02-03-2011, 12:32 AM
I think he will get assists, but I cant really see him getting that many rebounds. But good question

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 10:41 AM
If he accomplishes this feat does he have a case for the STATISTICAL G.O.A.T.?

greek miami hea
02-03-2011, 11:43 AM
yeah its possible.

ee
02-03-2011, 01:39 PM
kidd is only 2k rebounds short....I think kidd can reach 9k+ if he plays at, least 3 years

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 01:41 PM
kidd is only 2k rebounds short....I think kidd can reach 9k+ if he plays at, least 3 years

Kidd will need to play until he's 43+ to get 10 K, he won't be able to do that bro.

THE MTL
02-03-2011, 01:53 PM
Wow thats a true feat right there. It is possible and I agree with everyone when saying boards will be the hardest cause Miami will eventually acquire a real big.

ugafan
02-03-2011, 01:55 PM
I think he can do it. Even when he loses most of his athleticism, he'll be a great post player so I think he'll be in this league for quite some time.

justinnum1
02-03-2011, 02:30 PM
depends how many playoff games he plays...if he makes it to the finals for he next 6-7 years, thats a lot of extra games, so its possible, but not probable.

JermanJaysFan
02-03-2011, 02:35 PM
Kidd will get there if he plays like...3.5 years after this one.

JordansBulls
02-03-2011, 02:37 PM
If he accomplishes this feat does he have a case for the STATISTICAL G.O.A.T.?

Naw, unless he leads in PER and Win Shares and Win Shares PER 48 minutes as much as the others in the season and Playoffs.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 02:41 PM
Naw, unless he leads in PER and Win Shares and Win Shares PER 48 minutes as much as the others in the season and Playoffs.

Well currently he's second in PER and on pace to be in the top 5 in Win Shares and 7 in win shares per 48 (something that is likely to fall as his career goes on). Those are the regular season rankings of course which I know you already know yourself. I see your point however.

LongWayFromHome
02-03-2011, 02:58 PM
Kidd will need to play until he's 43+ to get 10 K, he won't be able to do that bro.

It's probably more like 42. I doubt he will stick around to do it but Kidd has already taken a HUGE physical decline in the last 2 years. I think he could stay at his current level well into his mid-40s.

Again... probably won't do it anyway.

ttam68
02-03-2011, 03:26 PM
Only 4 players have ever surpassed 10,000 assists, and they're some of the greatest point guards to ever play the game. I don't see any reason to believe Lebron will match that feat.

And no wing player has ever grabbed 10,000 rebounds, Ben Wallace barely passed it.

As great as he is, I don't think he gets there. Maybe one, but probably not in both assists and rebounds. Also, I don't see any reason to think he won't be in decline at 34. Getting 7 rpg and 7 apg at 34 is unheard of, let alone doing it for what would be 12 consecutive seasons if your projections hold.

BIG-D
02-03-2011, 03:39 PM
I don't think hell doit cuz there's also a thing call cba that need to get done or there el be no basketball an that will hurt him. Wouldn't it sux if nxt season there's no bball or football

BIG-D
02-03-2011, 03:40 PM
Lol at lebron being a great post player. Since when lol

ttam68
02-03-2011, 03:42 PM
Also, at his current rates, he'd have to play 10.5 more seasons to hit 10,000 rebs and 10,000 assists. I have no idea where you got 8 seasons. Thats playing at the same level he did from 18-26 when he's 37. Thats also avoiding injury for 20 years.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 03:44 PM
Only 4 players have ever surpassed 10,000 assists, and they're some of the greatest point guards to ever play the game. I don't see any reason to believe Lebron will match that feat.

And no wing player has ever grabbed 10,000 rebounds, Ben Wallace barely passed it.

As great as he is, I don't think he gets there. Maybe one, but probably not in both assists and rebounds. Also, I don't see any reason to think he won't be in decline at 34. Getting 7 rpg and 7 apg at 34 is unheard of, let alone doing it for what would be 12 consecutive seasons if your projections hold.

No player has ever gotten to 15000+ points 4,000+ rebounds and 4,000+ assists all before the age of 26. LeBron has. The one thing he has over every one else in the history of the league who could be eligible for such is his early start age wise.

And correct me if I am wrong but didn't Elgin Baylor grab over 10,000 rebounds?

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 03:48 PM
Also, at his current rates, he'd have to play 10.5 more seasons to hit 10,000 rebs and 10,000 assists. I have no idea where you got 8 seasons. Thats playing at the same level he did from 18-26 when he's 37. Thats also avoiding injury for 20 years.

This is what happens when you are poor at reading comprehension.


To have a shot he'd had to average around 7+ rebounds and assists per game and of course play in an average of 75+ over his next 8 seasons. Then from there out if his numbers do take a dive he wont have much ground to make up.


Understand now?

ttam68
02-03-2011, 03:53 PM
You get so cranky when you're wrong. If it takes him 10.5 years (until he's 37/38) at his CURRENT production, how exactly do you see him overcoming decline after 8 years? He's not playing until 45.

And, yes, Baylor surpassed 10,000. But he also pulled down 19.8 rpg back in 1961. I'm not sure the comparison has any merit.

thekmp211
02-03-2011, 03:54 PM
It's probably more like 42. I doubt he will stick around to do it but Kidd has already taken a HUGE physical decline in the last 2 years. I think he could stay at his current level well into his mid-40s.

Again... probably won't do it anyway.

its still wild that hes close.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 04:07 PM
You get so cranky when you're wrong. If it takes him 10.5 years (until he's 37/38) at his CURRENT production, how exactly do you see him overcoming decline after 8 years? He's not playing until 45.

And, yes, Baylor surpassed 10,000. But he also pulled down 19.8 rpg back in 1961. I'm not sure the comparison has any merit.

Ok let me give you a lesson in math ok since you aparently learned it in english class.

7 rebounds/assists * 75= 525 Ok I hope I didn't lose you.

525 * 8= 4200

LeBron Currently stands at 4190 rebounds and 4146 assists. So It is not farfetched to say that he's get to 4200 in both catergories by season's end.

4200+4200=8400. :speechless:

He is currently 26 and isn't turning 27 until December (which is next season) this mean's that when he finishes he 16th season in the league he'll be 34 years of age. Understand?

IF he able to stay healthy and average those numbers for the next 8 yeas he would MATHEMATICALLY stand at around 8400+ rebounds and assists for his career. Now lets say he plays until he's 38 years of age. Then for those next four seasons he'll have to maintain an average of 5.5 rebounds and assists over that 4 year span

5.5 * 75 = 412.5

412.5 * 4 = 1650

Now in total 8400+1650=.................... wait, hold up, stop did it really, yes 10,050.

So am I still wrong.

The hardest thing for LeBron to get is the rebounds no one is disputing that. I myself said that but there is still a small possibility that LeBron could do it.

To the point about Elgin Baylor you did say something about no wing player ever getting 10,000+ rebounds for his career didn't you?

AFlagRules
02-03-2011, 04:12 PM
No.

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 04:51 PM
You get so cranky when you're wrong.

To this point I would like to add that over 70% of PSD's voters thus far agree with me and my calculations you are the first and I am guessing only person who can't comprehend the basic calculations.

And if you are insinuating anything about the Evan Turner discussion which we had I'd say this. Did Evan make the Rookie team? I gave the reasoning as to why the players who made it made it over him. Fact are they made it and he didn't. I gave all facts and the one instance when I was wrong I admitted.

So. What next?

ttam68
02-03-2011, 04:51 PM
So you have him as 6 rpg and 6 apg guy from age 32-38, without missing more than 7 games. Ever.

Jason Kidd is the only guy to come close to that, and he hasn't played enough games to produce the totals Lebron would need.

Again, all of this assumes:

1. He plays 20 years
2. He never gets injured
3. He produces 7 rpg and 7 apg for 12 straight years
4. He produces 6 rpg and 6 apg after 32 yrs old like only Larry Bird, Magic, and JKidd have
5. He produces at those levels, not for a single season (as Magic did), or several (as Bird did), but for 6 years spanning until he's 38, and in his 20th season

JayTee1981
02-03-2011, 05:00 PM
Ok let me give you a lesson in math ok since you aparently learned it in english class.

7 rebounds/assists * 75= 525 Ok I hope I didn't lose you.

525 * 8= 4200

LeBron Currently stands at 4190 rebounds and 4146 assists. So It is not farfetched to say that he's get to 4200 in both catergories by season's end.

4200+4200=8400. :speechless:

He is currently 26 and isn't turning 27 until December (which is next season) this mean's that when he finishes he 16th season in the league he'll be 34 years of age. Understand?

IF he able to stay healthy and average those numbers for the next 8 yeas he would MATHEMATICALLY stand at around 8400+ rebounds and assists for his career. Now lets say he plays until he's 38 years of age. Then for those next four seasons he'll have to maintain an average of 5.5 rebounds and assists over that 4 year span

5.5 * 75 = 412.5

412.5 * 4 = 1650

Now in total 8400+1650=.................... wait, hold up, stop did it really, yes 10,050.

So am I still wrong.

The hardest thing for LeBron to get is the rebounds no one is disputing that. I myself said that but there is still a small possibility that LeBron could do it.

To the point about Elgin Baylor you did say something about no wing player ever getting 10,000+ rebounds for his career didn't you?


:laugh:


in all fairness I think LeBron has a small to get it but will not be surprise if he doesn't

Swashcuff
02-03-2011, 05:24 PM
So you have him as 6 rpg and 6 apg guy from age 32-38, without missing more than 7 games. Ever.

Jason Kidd is the only guy to come close to that, and he hasn't played enough games to produce the totals Lebron would need.

Again, all of this assumes:

1. He plays 20 years
2. He never gets injured
3. He produces 7 rpg and 7 apg for 12 straight years
4. He produces 6 rpg and 6 apg after 32 yrs old like only Larry Bird, Magic, and JKidd have
5. He produces at those levels, not for a single season (as Magic did), or several (as Bird did), but for 6 years spanning until he's 38, and in his 20th season

1. Between the ages of 32-41 how many games did Kareem Abdul-Jabbar miss?
2. Is it honestly that much of a long shot to think that LeBron could play twenty years in the league?
3. No one never ever ever said he wont get injured but if he stays away from serious injury.
4. LeBron is one of the greatest passers for his size to ever play the game in the right system with good teammates even in his older days when he loses his athletic ability he can realistically get 6+ assists per game.
5. J. Kidd averaged 6.2 assists per game as a 35 year old PG you really think that would be a far reach for a 35+ year old LeBron James.
6. Scottie Pippen averaged 5.9 assists as a 35 year old SF, do you honestly think LeBron won't be able to get that.
7. A 39 year old Michael Jordan averaged over 6 rebounds a game. So to think that LeBron who is just as a good a rebounder as MJ can't accomplish that consistently from 32 onwards must be a little closed minded.

It is not out of the realm of possibility. IF again I say IF LeBron stays healthy and can capitalize on the next 8 years or so he will have a very good shot at it.

And honestly with the size of LeBron's ego and how much he loves himself some stats you don't think that if he has a shot and his body allows him to still be able to compete in the NBA that he will want to play 20+ seasons to accomplish such a feat. It's LeBron James we are talking about. Statistically speaking the sky is the limit for him.

SA5195
02-03-2011, 05:35 PM
He has a real nice chance.

thekmp211
02-03-2011, 05:46 PM
health is tha caviat, but its really not a constructive point because it changes everything, and has no historical bearing. lebron has been healthy for the vast majority of his career. obviously the OP is asking the question assuming he's healthy, I don't think anyone wants to know if LeBron would do this after 3 microfracture surgeries.

KingPosey
02-03-2011, 05:57 PM
It might be Jason Kidd actually. Look at his stats, he only needs the boards at this point. He should be around 8250 at the end of the season.

Lim
02-03-2011, 06:34 PM
70% say yes? i think this is gonna be a lot harder then ppl think

kArSoN RyDaH
02-03-2011, 07:55 PM
i think the assists will be there but not the rebounds. his style of play will have a bigger affect on his decline. assists should be there so long as hes playing alongside wade. lol.

blastmasta26
02-03-2011, 08:56 PM
He's obviously got a chance at it, but I just don't think he will get it. It will be very difficult for him to get the rebounds and also not miss a lot of games. It's also not necessary that he ends up playing well into his late 30s.

kozelkid
02-03-2011, 11:41 PM
depends how many playoff games he plays...if he makes it to the finals for he next 6-7 years, thats a lot of extra games, so its possible, but not probable.

Playoffs don't count.

I don't think he gets it. He'll be close, but not quite. And assists won't be too easy either. Kidd only has 11k and he averages 2 more apg than Lebron in his career. Rebounding will obviously be toughest of the 3.

Ty Fast
02-03-2011, 11:54 PM
how bout 30 000 points, 10 000 assists, 10 000 rebounds

avrpatsfan
02-03-2011, 11:59 PM
If he stays healthy he will no doubt.

Swashcuff
02-04-2011, 12:04 AM
how bout 30 000 points, 10 000 assists, 10 000 rebounds

If I said that then J. Kidd, Magic, Drexler and Pippen wouldn't have even been relevant to the discussion which would not be fair to them to leave out thier greatness.

Of those 3 however points will also be the easiest for him to get. Barring serious injury 30, 000 points is a given for LeBron.

icej
02-04-2011, 02:14 AM
A tough feat indeed.