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beardown78
02-02-2011, 09:19 PM
Which up and coming team is further along? Meaning closest to being A boneafide championship contender, Chicago or Oklahoma City. Discuss

Lakers4ItAll
02-02-2011, 09:20 PM
Chicago right now, OKC needs a big man!

BrahCake954
02-02-2011, 09:21 PM
OKC is a touch center away.. bulls are too injury prone

boozer and noah = patients

RZZZA
02-02-2011, 09:21 PM
clearly Chicago...OKC has terrible defense

210Don
02-02-2011, 09:21 PM
chicago... just cause anyone can win east...
west will be LA or Sa For At least 2 more years
i see bulls getting to finals soon maybe like next year if they could make a good playoff run this year

bal_ravens
02-02-2011, 09:23 PM
I think the Thunder are a better team, but with Chicago being in the east, they will be considered an "elite" team before the Thunder.

Chacarron
02-02-2011, 09:24 PM
Chicago. They have solid players at 4 of their starting 5 positions.

Jonathan2323
02-02-2011, 09:25 PM
The Thunder are the better team, they are one good rebounding center from making it to the Finals.

sixer04fan
02-02-2011, 09:26 PM
This is a great question. Even in my book, but I'll go with Chicago if they can stay healthy.

superkegger
02-02-2011, 09:26 PM
Thunders defense is still too suspect. They've actually regressed there from last year. In the playofs, defense matters a lot, and Chicago plays it.

RZZZA
02-02-2011, 09:26 PM
I don't see how its the thunder when they're mid 20's in every defensive category.

Chicago is #1 defensive team in the league right now

D Roses Bulls
02-02-2011, 09:30 PM
yeah, the thunder are way too weak on defense, they are a horrible 3 point shooting team some how. it's the bulls.

thekmp211
02-02-2011, 09:31 PM
chicago has a better chance to advance in the east, they also have better depth in the front court so i'll give them a slight advantage.

hgtiger32
02-02-2011, 09:33 PM
i went with the Thunder based on the fact that Rose and Westbrook kind of equal each other out no matter who you think is better. lets not get into a PG argument here. then i look at durant compared to boozer. boozer has more to give in the post and such but KD is an elite player, killer instinct. HOWEVER, after thinking about this and typing this, I forgot that Noah is still injured. Soooo...ill change my vote to the Bulls.

Bulls are arguably the 2nd best team in the East.

Baller1
02-02-2011, 09:35 PM
The Thunder have the better team for sure, but Chicago's utter superiority in coaching makes them appear as the team that's further along.

ATX
02-02-2011, 09:41 PM
Right now I have to go with Chicago as being closer to Elite. The Thunder have the brighter future though imo. One word: Durant

Flash3
02-02-2011, 09:42 PM
I don't see how its the thunder when they're mid 20's in every defensive category.

Chicago is #1 defensive team in the league right now

Kevin Durant.

D Roses Bulls
02-02-2011, 09:42 PM
I don't know how many of you like david thorpe, but yesterday he was asked who he would rather have, rose and noah or durrant and westbrook and he said the chicago boys :)

Gators123
02-02-2011, 09:42 PM
I'll pick the team with Kevin Durant.

Flash3
02-02-2011, 09:43 PM
The Thunder are the better team, they are one good rebounding center from making it to the Finals.

i would think they should start and play ibaka more.

RZZZA
02-02-2011, 09:45 PM
Right now I have to go with Chicago as being closer to Elite. The Thunder have the brighter future though imo. One word: Durant

one word: defense


let's ask Charles Barkley how that's spelled

d nuggets fan
02-02-2011, 09:46 PM
I wish I could see a healthy Chicago team for a length of time, but I still picked
Chicago because they are in the EASY east conference.

Watching Kristic on OKC is almost illegal.

ATX
02-02-2011, 09:46 PM
one word: defense


let's ask Charles Barkley how that's spelled

Lol

I was expecting the counter word to be: Rose

Flash3
02-02-2011, 09:47 PM
one word: defense


let's ask Charles Barkley how that's spelled

They can improve in that category

ATX
02-02-2011, 09:48 PM
Again, I do think Chicago now is closer, but I also think...

Westbrook, Durant, Green, Ibaka...And if it comes to fruition that the early mumblings of Love or Griffin going there are true ...Young team, bright future.

northsider
02-02-2011, 09:51 PM
Man even as a Bulls fan this one is tough the duo of Westbrook and Durant is about as good as it gets for young duo's. I would like to see our team stay healthy and I think that would give the Bulls the nod but, I give the edge to the Thunder.

JordansBulls
02-02-2011, 09:52 PM
This year the Bulls, afterwards the Thunder. I trust Durant and Westbrook because with the Bulls I don't trust that Boozer or Noah will be healthy enough.

Swashcuff
02-02-2011, 09:54 PM
Ok let's think what would put either of these two teams over the top?

Chicago needs a starting SG who can knock down the open jumper get to the lane and take some of the scoring load off of D.Rose at times while still providing solid D.

OKC needs a banger inside, a legitimate interior presence someone who is able to give it on both ends of the floor and grabs some boards.

Now which is easier and more likely to get.

I'd say Chicago's need is much easier full.

Back to reality now.

Chicago again, they are better defensively, better coached, actually have answers at 4 of their 5 starting positions and have a much better supporting cast to their two best players. Chicago all day everyday.

mttwlsn16
02-02-2011, 09:55 PM
chicago was my pick bc theyre in the east. if thunder were in the east itd be much closer

B-Ray
02-02-2011, 09:55 PM
A healthy Chicago

Swashcuff
02-02-2011, 09:59 PM
I am shocked how close this poll actually is.

Not because Chicago is that much better but OKC getting that big man they so desperately may be a bit of a reach for them. They have the pieces but in all honesty who is available? They may make a deal but I don't think Tyson Chandler or Samuel Dalembert (two FA bigs this offseason) will make that big of an impact. Plus the Bulls have such great chemistry on the defensive end of the floor and are missing their biggest interior presence and leading rebounder.

eXpLiiCt
02-02-2011, 09:59 PM
It's clearly OKC.

Chicago won't ****ing beat Boston in 7 Game series, or Magic or Heat.

OKC only problem in the West is San Antonio imo, lakers are really sturggling

Swashcuff
02-02-2011, 10:00 PM
They can improve in that category

So can the Bulls they are missing their most valuable player on that end of the floor.

hotpotato1092
02-02-2011, 10:02 PM
Chicago for two reasons, one because they play better D, and two because I'd rather have three legit cornerstone type players (Rose, Boozer, Noah) than two (Durant and Westbrook), you could argue Green should be considered but if he is than so would Luol Deng, so take your pick between 3>2 or 4>3.

dc5jdm
02-02-2011, 10:03 PM
Chicago and not cuz their in the East, they have a good line up theyre built rite or on the rite track. People are talkin on how OKC is their pick but need this or need that. The question is askin whos farther along now. Just wait till the bulls get Noah back, theyre gonna be tough to beat.

No im not a bulls fan, just a basketball fan in general.

Baller1
02-02-2011, 10:07 PM
Chicago for two reasons, one because they play better D, and two because I'd rather have three legit cornerstone type players (Rose, Boozer, Noah) than two (Durant and Westbrook), you could argue Green should be considered but if he is than so would Luol Deng, so take your pick between 3>2 or 4>3.

Serge Ibaka.

Shahrose
02-02-2011, 10:08 PM
It's clearly OKC.

Chicago won't ****ing beat Boston in 7 Game series, or Magic or Heat.

OKC only problem in the West is San Antonio imo, lakers are really sturggling

With a healthy starting 5, we can definitely take anyone of those teams in a 7game series. Especially if we upgraded at the SG position

zambo4president
02-02-2011, 10:09 PM
The Bulls definitely.

Shahrose
02-02-2011, 10:10 PM
Serge Ibaka.

Boozer>>>>Ibaka

ATX
02-02-2011, 10:10 PM
Boozer>>>>Ibaka

You've missed his point.

Shahrose
02-02-2011, 10:12 PM
You've missed his point.

I think his point was that Ibaka is the number 3 guy next to westbrook and durant

but Bulls 3> Thunders 3

SteBO
02-02-2011, 10:12 PM
Boozer>>>>Ibaka
Great reason for why you Chicago's elite. :rolleyes:

I do agree however. Chicago's the closest to elite right now because of what RZZZA keeps saying. Defense. At the end of the day, that wins championships. But it is tough to shy away from Westbrook and Durant. That's the team forthe future.

veit
02-02-2011, 10:13 PM
chicago... just cause anyone can win east...
west will be LA or Sa For At least 2 more years
i see bulls getting to finals soon maybe like next year if they could make a good playoff run this yearEast is really not that weak. Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, and Miami are all really good teams. I do feel that the west is a stronger conference but overall the east is not a bad conference.

Bulls are the better team right now in my opinion despite injuries this season.

Shahrose
02-02-2011, 10:19 PM
Great reason for why you Chicago's elite. :rolleyes:

I do agree however. Chicago's the closest to elite right now because of what RZZZA keeps saying. Defense. At the end of the day, that wins championships. But it is tough to shy away from Westbrook and Durant. That's the team forthe future.

Yea I definitely agree with that.
And actually, OKC is my 2nd favorite team. I love watching them play, but right now Bulls are closer to being elite

ATX
02-02-2011, 10:21 PM
I think his point was that Ibaka is the number 3 guy next to westbrook and durant

but Bulls 3> Thunders 3

Maybe, I was thinking he meant more the #4 guy, as the other poster was throwing Deng in there.

I saw that discussion as such:

Durant-Rose
Westbrook-Boozer
Green-Noah
Ibaka-Deng

Baller1
02-02-2011, 10:22 PM
Boozer>>>>Ibaka

For this year, and maybe next. Other than that, Ibaka is 21 and already better defensively.

ATX
02-02-2011, 10:24 PM
Yea I definitely agree with that.
And actually, OKC is my 2nd favorite team. I love watching them play, but right now Bulls are closer to being elite

Mine too :cheers:

It's not too common I find myself aligned with a Bulls fan on any matter, lol. :smoking:

DwayneMVPwade
02-02-2011, 10:26 PM
Both are elite, but if I had to say who has the better team, i got to say Chi Town

Shahrose
02-02-2011, 10:29 PM
For this year, and maybe next. Other than that, Ibaka is 21 and already better defensively.

I can see that in 5yrs, but def not in 2 or even 3
And the fact that we have a defensive minded coach helps Boozer

Swashcuff
02-02-2011, 10:32 PM
For this year, and maybe next. Other than that, Ibaka is 21 and already better defensively.

Ibaka is better and always will be better defensively their is no doubting or debating that. I don't however think he'll develop into a better rebounder or offensive player than Boozer. Due to his defensive potential there is a chance that he becomes a better/more valuable player than Boozer however.

Swashcuff
02-02-2011, 10:34 PM
Both are elite, but if I had to say who has the better team, i got to say Chi Town

Neither of them are :confused:

There are two "Elite" teams in the league right now and neither are named Bulls nor Thunder. Lakers and Celtics are the only two teams that could be labeled Elite based on what we've seen this season and in the recent past as well.

LJEATON26
02-02-2011, 10:35 PM
Breaking them down I think the Thunder are better.

PG Equal
SG OkC Both teams split time. I think OkC's pair of Harden/Sefolosha is better then Chicagos pair of Bogans/Brewer.
SF OkC Durant! Enough said
PF Chi Boozer is better then Green
C With Noah Chicago is better. Without like they frequently are Oklahoma City.

Bench Oklahoma city - Oklahoma City is extremely deep with Harden, Ibaka and Collison
Coaching Chicago

Swashcuff
02-02-2011, 10:36 PM
Maybe, I was thinking he meant more the #4 guy, as the other poster was throwing Deng in there.

I saw that discussion as such:

Durant-Rose
Westbrook-Boozer
Green-Noah
Ibaka-Deng

Thunder definitely have the better two at the top IMO but as far as the two at the bottom there is a huge gap at this very moment. That support is what gives them the edge IMO.

Rndy
02-02-2011, 10:36 PM
Maybe, I was thinking he meant more the #4 guy, as the other poster was throwing Deng in there.

I saw that discussion as such:

Durant-Rose
Westbrook-Boozer
Green-Noah
Ibaka-Deng

Scalabrine end of discussion.

dtmagnet
02-02-2011, 10:37 PM
I said Chicago because they made an FA aquisition, once the Thunder sign an FA or make a big trade I'd like their chances better.

Cubs Win
02-02-2011, 10:38 PM
Bulls are closer. No question.

Sixerlover
02-02-2011, 10:38 PM
Chicago has better post presence. Chicago is the better defensive team. Chicago wins.

xxcubs22xx
02-02-2011, 10:38 PM
Chicago.

1. Defense (#1 in the league)
2. Home record (nearly #1 in the league)
3. Healthy Bulls team > Thunder (roster)

Shahrose
02-02-2011, 10:41 PM
Breaking them down I think the Thunder are better.

PG Equal
SG OkC Both teams split time. I think OkC's pair of Harden/Sefolosha is better then Chicagos pair of Bogans/Brewer.
SF OkC Durant! Enough said
PF Chi Boozer is better then Green
C With Noah Chicago is better. Without like they frequently are Oklahoma City.

Bench Oklahoma city - Oklahoma City is extremely deep with Harden, Ibaka and Collison
Coaching Chicago

Rose>>Westbrook
And I'd argue we have the better bench
Watson/Brewer/Korver/Gibson/Thomas

Chi StateOfMind
02-02-2011, 10:42 PM
chicago!!!!!!!!!!

Shahrose
02-02-2011, 10:44 PM
Btw, who is westbrooks backup?

Chi StateOfMind
02-02-2011, 10:46 PM
Btw, who is westbrooks backup?

eric maynor

Chi StateOfMind
02-02-2011, 10:47 PM
i forgot to mention thunder are close to but need a center and 2 play defense

effen5
02-02-2011, 10:54 PM
Rose>>Westbrook
And I'd argue we have the better bench
Watson/Brewer/Korver/Gibson/Thomas

Westbrook doesn't know how to close, he was taking so many bad shots at the end of the Heat game.

Swashcuff
02-02-2011, 10:56 PM
Westbrook doesn't know how to close, he was taking so many bad shots at the end of the Heat game.

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

^ who is the 4th name you see on that list.

Statistically he is one of the best in the league.

LJEATON26
02-02-2011, 11:00 PM
Westbrook doesn't know how to close, he was taking so many bad shots at the end of the Heat game.

He closed out against the celtics in boston without Durant pretty damn well.

Hustlenomics
02-02-2011, 11:00 PM
Bulls ain't losing any poll on this site

KINGBAIZE
02-02-2011, 11:04 PM
Everybody's talkin about Chicago now...but if OKC had a center. (WHAT IF WE HAD A SG?!!. Our team is already better than OKC. They are good offensively, but their defense sucks. Our defense is hell without Noah in the lineup and we're only gonna get better once he returns "in every category". Our team is fairly young...our bench is deeper...our coach is better.. defense is better...we play better as a collective unit... we have an unstoppable player...and we rebound as good as anybody in the league.

It only gets WORST for the league when we get a SG. FOR YRS to come:clap:

BULLS VS. LAKERS in the finals, for Phil Jackson's final year. (BOOK IT!) I've been saying this before the season started. Go back and check! I also said we would be no less than the #3 or #4 seed.

So far... I'm on POINT.:cool:

SchyGuy11
02-02-2011, 11:05 PM
I don't think east/west really makes a difference. The Bulls are the better all around team and have a better chance to win a title than the Thunder

ChiSox219
02-02-2011, 11:05 PM
These are the two teams I follow most closely and I'd say both are elite.

OKC is still trying to get back on track defensively and when they do watch out.

Baller1
02-02-2011, 11:11 PM
I can't wait until Ibaka gets the starting spot he deserves so all of you doubters can see what I'm talking about.

Baller1
02-02-2011, 11:11 PM
Westbrook doesn't know how to close, he was taking so many bad shots at the end of the Heat game.

Didn't I already explain this to you? It was one game, move on.

xabial
02-02-2011, 11:14 PM
Thunder because i think Durant can lead his team to a championship over Rose.

LJEATON26
02-02-2011, 11:18 PM
Everybody's talkin about Chicago now...but if OKC had a center. (WHAT IF WE HAD A SG?!!. Our team is already better than OKC. They are good offensively, but their defense sucks. Our defense is hell without Noah in the lineup and we're only gonna get better once he returns "in every category". Our team is fairly young...our bench is deeper...our coach is better.. defense is better...we play better as a collective unit... we have an unstoppable player...and we rebound as good as anybody in the league.

It only gets WORST for the league when we get a SG. FOR YRS to come:clap:

BULLS VS. LAKERS in the finals, for Phil Jackson's final year. (BOOK IT!) I've been saying this before the season started. Go back and check! I also said we would be no less than the #3 or #4 seed.

So far... I'm on POINT.:cool:

Chicago does have one unstoppable player but Oklahoma City has 2. I also disagree about you guys having the better bench and playing better as a collective unit. Now when did it become hard to be a 3 or 4 seed in the East. I mean come on last I checked you don't have anyone in your division (all 4 teams are under .500) and you only have competition from 4 other teams.

xxplayerxx23
02-02-2011, 11:22 PM
I give the edge to the bulls, They Know how to play D Okc needs a defensive center then they would be better

yoseppii12
02-02-2011, 11:26 PM
OKC has the dynamic playmakers they just lack on D compared to the bulls. The Bulls are just one playmaker away from comparing to OKC on the offensive end. Edge Bulls but real close. Both teams will be real good in 1-3 years.

goose15
02-02-2011, 11:30 PM
Thunder, Thunder, Thunder-cats Hooooooooooooooooooo

chicago lulz
02-02-2011, 11:32 PM
you can't go wrong with either team

xxplayerxx23
02-02-2011, 11:32 PM
I think it would have to be a great playmaker. Durant, westbroke, green, harden can all score 20 any given night. Obv with Durant and Westbrook can score A lot more then 20

xxplayerxx23
02-02-2011, 11:33 PM
Thunder, Thunder, Thunder-cats Hooooooooooooooooooo

Im wondering how long before we go into a NY vs CHiago Debate

MrfadeawayJB
02-02-2011, 11:33 PM
I'll go OKC because they are in the West and the competition is diminishing...Chicago will have to deal with Orl and Mia for years to come

heatking
02-02-2011, 11:34 PM
OKC, KD is the best player since Lebron.

Raps08-09 Champ
02-02-2011, 11:39 PM
I'd give it to Chicago right now only because they have a balanced team.

OKC have better players for the future but they do not have any front court pieces.

AIRMAR72
02-02-2011, 11:53 PM
OKC to me have the 2nd best young talented bench in the league if durant start posting up more and be more selective with his shots they can come out the west premature prediction but riding with OKC to come out west

stlbest5in2013
02-03-2011, 12:42 AM
i like how everyone says chicago cause their in the east. you do realize the power has shifted to the east, right?????????????????????

Chi StateOfMind
02-03-2011, 12:48 AM
i like how everyone says chicago cause their in the east. you do realize the power has shifted to the east, right?????????????????????

true thats y thunder will be good long term cuz the west is OLD
lakers
spurs
mavericks
suns

bovice163
02-03-2011, 12:48 AM
Chicago easily at this point. Defense wins championships. Being a great offensive team, but poor defensive team will not get you far in the playoffs.

0nekhmer
02-03-2011, 01:13 AM
Chicago has more experience, and that playoff series with boston to game 7 was my favorite playoff moment since jordan

JB0B0
02-03-2011, 01:38 AM
Im wondering how long before we go into a NY vs CHiago Debate

Considering the Bulls are 34-14 and the Knicks are 25-23, I don't see the purpose.

cubswin25
02-03-2011, 02:03 AM
DA Bulls easily. Sure the Thunder might have the best player. But you win in the playoffs with defense and rebounding. The Bulls do very good job at both, and have their own superstar in Rose. Plus three other Allstar level players in Boozer, Deng and Noah. Thunder just have Durant/Westbrook and a bunch of average players(I'm not a big Jeff Green fan). Who don't play defense, rebound or shoot the three well. Now I'm not saying the Bulls are perfect either. They still need another shooter as well, and both Boozer/Noah healthy. But they are closer then the Thunder.

IversonIsKrazy
02-03-2011, 02:08 AM
Thunder need a true C, Bulls need a SG that can avg more than 5ppg lol. They both have the "star", Bulls need to be able to stay healthy, and pick up a SG. While Thunder, need a true C, and hope that the C will bring the defensive intensity that is missing. I don't think THunder's defense is bad to be honest, I think their scrappy and hard-working, I like that, it's just their undersized and inexperienced. They just need that C

TrueFan420
02-03-2011, 02:12 AM
they are both one player away... thunder a center(plays d and bounds) and bulls a sg(can score/ 3pt shot and play a lil d).

Sadds The Gr8
02-03-2011, 02:14 AM
Raptors > both teams

believeinNYK
02-03-2011, 02:19 AM
Chi town right now

DaBear
02-03-2011, 02:22 AM
The Bulls are playing better than OKC even with Noah out. I'd say the Bulls are clearly a better team.

Geargo Wallace
02-03-2011, 02:26 AM
OKC has 2 potential superstars. While the Bulls really only have one. BUT the Bulls are much more well rounded. If OKC could get a star big I'd take them.

DaBear
02-03-2011, 02:31 AM
OKC has 2 potential superstars. While the Bulls really only have one. BUT the Bulls are much more well rounded. If OKC could get a star big I'd take them.

I see both teams with only one superstar, and one all star.

Superstars - Rose, Durant

Allstars - Westbrook, Boozer (I don't think Westbrook will ever be a superstar)

Geargo Wallace
02-03-2011, 02:37 AM
I see both teams with only one superstar, and one all star.

Superstars - Rose, Durant

Allstars - Westbrook, Boozer (I don't think Westbrook will ever be a superstar)

is Rose THAT much better?

soonabooma
02-03-2011, 02:38 AM
The Bulls are a great defensive team this year. Who is their defensive coach? Ron Adams. The Thunder were a great defensive team last year. Who was their defensive coach? Ron Adams. That's the difference right there. Great coaching makes all the difference, and we lost a great coach while they gained one. It's a no brainer. Overall, I think we probably have more potential than anybody, but right now I'll give the edge to the Bulls because they've surrounded their young stars with a little more help than we have up to this point. Adding guys like Boozer and Korver was huge for them. They've got their obvious young stars but you always need to add some good help and they did that last summer. If we can get a better big man and maybe add another shooter, we're gonna be very tough to beat. And we obviously need to continue to work on making our defense sharper. Either way, I think there is a very strong possibility that we see a Bulls/Thunder finals matchup soon enough. It could become the next great rivalry in the league. Miami tried to take the easy way out, so God won't take care of them, Orlando is still solid but they might never get over the hump, Boston, LA, San Antonio, Dallas, etc. are still great but their days are numbered, time catches up with everybody. So right now, I think the consensus is that the Bulls will eventually be the cream of the crop in the East, and the Thunder will be the best out West. I'm good with that. ;)

godolphins
02-03-2011, 02:39 AM
Okc

Toxeryll
02-03-2011, 02:40 AM
I like the Bulls better, I say they're only missing a good SG like JRich or Terry to become a legit contenders. OKC needs a defensive center like Perkins or Dalembert and a good scorer off the bench (maybe Harden can be that).

MJ-BULLS
02-03-2011, 02:42 AM
Da bulls. if we get a real SG we would be flat out scary once our team is in place.

DamnGoat
02-03-2011, 02:48 AM
is Rose THAT much better?
Do we really need to turn this thread into a Rose vs. Westbrook debate? Haven't topics like that been beaten to death in this forum?

Illinirob83
02-03-2011, 02:53 AM
The West is a better conference but the East is better with the top of the conference. West is much deeper but isn't as good at the top. Boston/Miami/Orlando/Chicago/Atlanta are all real good.

Right now I would have to say the Bulls because of Thibs. He really has them buying into the defensive style, and they are a terrific rebounding team as well this season. They are great rebounding without Boozer and Noah even being out there together this season. Deng has stepped it up big time this year as well. People still don't give him love, but he has been earning every penny of that deal this year. He is logging a ton of minutes, playing TERRIFIC defense, been a solid scorer on the wing and making 3's.

Zetterberg40
02-03-2011, 03:00 AM
I think Oklahoma has the better team but since Chicago plays in the east they will be elite quicker plus like everyone else said OKC needs a good big man but any team with KD and Westbrook is going to be a contender for a while to go. D Rose is no joke though 3rd best PG in the game right now and you could make a case for him being number 1

Sir Buckets
02-03-2011, 03:09 AM
is Rose THAT much better?Yes. I mean this in the least rude way: watch some Bulls games. Like, watch 1 or 2 Thunder games and 1 or 2 Bulls games. Then you'll see. Looking at some raw stats can be deceiving. Westbrook has the luxury of playing with one of the best players in the league.

Rose is the engine of the car that is the Bulls. He is our biggest generator of offense. He's either

- doing the actual scoring himself
- dishing to open teammates
- driving and kicking
- driving and throwing something up on the rim that one of our bigs tips in
etc.

And he just controls the ****in game, you know? Calm, confident, never rattled. Makes the smart/big plays. And this might sound cheesy, but if you watch 'Brook and Rose, you can just "tell". Rose has that upper-tier smoothness, composure, etc. You just feel confident when he has the ball in his hands.

As for the actual thread question: Bulls. Better D. Better post presence. We have the things that win in the playoffs. We can slow it down and grind it out methodically. We rebound the **** outta the ball. Our defense is nothing short of elite. We're a decent 2 away from winning it all.

bovice163
02-03-2011, 03:11 AM
Yes. I mean this in the least rude way: watch some Bulls games. Like, watch 1 or 2 Thunder games and 1 or 2 Bulls games. Then you'll see. Looking at some raw stats can be deceiving. Westbrook has the luxury of playing with one of the best players in the league.

Rose is the engine of the car that is the Bulls. He is our biggest generator of offense. He's either

- doing the actual scoring himself
- dishing to open teammates
- driving and kicking
- driving and throwing something up on the rim that one of our bigs tips in
etc.

And he just controls the ****in game, you know? Calm, confident, never rattled. Makes the smart/big plays. And this might sound cheesy, but if you watch 'Brook and Rose, you can just "tell". Rose has that upper-tier smoothness, composure, etc. You just feel confident when he has the ball in his hands.

As for the actual thread question: Bulls. Better D. Better post presence. We have the things that win in the playoffs. We can slow it down and grind it out methodically. We rebound the **** outta the ball. Our defense is nothing short of elite. We're a decent 2 away from winning it all.
In the most non-homerish, non-biased way possible... THIS. :clap:

Kuya_Clive
02-03-2011, 03:15 AM
In the most non-homerish, non-biased way possible... THIS. :clap:

haha no homer

Zetterberg40
02-03-2011, 03:17 AM
The Bulls are playing better than OKC even with Noah out. I'd say the Bulls are clearly a better team.

No disrespect I think the Bulls have a very good team but they also have the benefit of playing in the weakest conference in the league but also the weakest division in the league. It's very close between them both and one is not cleary better than the other

Illinirob83
02-03-2011, 03:18 AM
I love Westbrook's game, he is terrific and only going to improve, but if you swap Rose for Westbrook the Bulls aren't sniffing 34-14 right now.

Illinirob83
02-03-2011, 03:22 AM
No disrespect I think the Bulls have a very good team but they also have the benefit of playing in the weakest conference in the league but also the weakest division in the league. It's very close between them both and one is not cleary better than the other

Division is horrible, but you play your division as much as you play the rest of the conference. Bulls have played 48 games this season only 11 of those have come against their division this season. Divisions in the NBA are pretty irrelevant, especially compared to other sports. They don't weigh the schedule like MLB or NFL. Bulls have also been pretty terrific this year against the West and did all of it without one of Boozer or Noah. West is better, but the East has a better top. Boston/Miami/Orlando > SA/LA/NO IMO. The road to the championship is harder in the east even though the West is deeper and better.

Zetterberg40
02-03-2011, 03:35 AM
Division is horrible, but you play your division as much as you play the rest of the conference. Bulls have played 48 games this season only 11 of those have come against their division this season. Divisions in the NBA are pretty irrelevant, especially compared to other sports. They don't weigh the schedule like MLB or NFL. Bulls have also been pretty terrific this year against the West and did all of it without one of Boozer or Noah. West is better, but the East has a better top. Boston/Miami/Orlando > SA/LA/NO IMO. The road to the championship is harder in the east even though the West is deeper and better.

I agree on the east having the tougher top teams but their bottom feeders are pretty damn bad. Thanks for correcting me on the divisions basketball is the sport I follow the least so I was unaware of that and apologize for trying to discredit a couple of those W's lol

yanksbucs
02-03-2011, 03:42 AM
chicago

DaBear
02-03-2011, 03:54 AM
No disrespect I think the Bulls have a very good team but they also have the benefit of playing in the weakest conference in the league but also the weakest division in the league. It's very close between them both and one is not cleary better than the other

They've played 11 out of their 48 games against division opponents. Keep in mind in most of their games, they've either had Boozer OR Noah out (a few games they had both out). I still think the Bulls are clearly a better team, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

jmtapia
02-03-2011, 04:33 AM
The Thunder have the better team for sure

id say Bulls do. Thunder lack bigs.

stlbest5in2013
02-03-2011, 05:14 AM
The Bulls are a great defensive team this year. Who is their defensive coach? Ron Adams. The Thunder were a great defensive team last year. Who was their defensive coach? Ron Adams. That's the difference right there. Great coaching makes all the difference, and we lost a great coach while they gained one. It's a no brainer. Overall, I think we probably have more potential than anybody, but right now I'll give the edge to the Bulls because they've surrounded their young stars with a little more help than we have up to this point. Adding guys like Boozer and Korver was huge for them. They've got their obvious young stars but you always need to add some good help and they did that last summer. If we can get a better big man and maybe add another shooter, we're gonna be very tough to beat. And we obviously need to continue to work on making our defense sharper. Either way, I think there is a very strong possibility that we see a Bulls/Thunder finals matchup soon enough. It could become the next great rivalry in the league. Miami tried to take the easy way out, so God won't take care of them, Orlando is still solid but they might never get over the hump, Boston, LA, San Antonio, Dallas, etc. are still great but their days are numbered, time catches up with everybody. So right now, I think the consensus is that the Bulls will eventually be the cream of the crop in the East, and the Thunder will be the best out West. I'm good with that. ;)


thibideaux is a defensive minded coach, he came from boston. not taking away from adams, but this teams defensive improvement is more then a coach or 1 coach

cargobox
02-03-2011, 05:20 AM
OKC just needs that big man

Bulls_fan90
02-03-2011, 06:32 AM
http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

^ who is the 4th name you see on that list.

Statistically he is one of the best in the league.

Can you tell me who the 5th name on that list is??

k Thanks.

NBA-GMaster
02-03-2011, 07:08 AM
Hmm.. Chicago Bulls..

Baller1
02-03-2011, 10:54 AM
id say Bulls do. Thunder lack bigs.

The Thunder definitely need that final piece to put them over the top, but from top to bottom, they have more talent.

KINGBAIZE
02-03-2011, 11:22 AM
Chicago does have one unstoppable player but Oklahoma City has 2. I also disagree about you guys having the better bench and playing better as a collective unit. Now when did it become hard to be a 3 or 4 seed in the East. I mean come on last I checked you don't have anyone in your division (all 4 teams are under .500) and you only have competition from 4 other teams.

Please tell me who the 2nd unstoppable player is for the THUNDER?

Don't say Westbrook, because if thats the case we have 2 as well.

If you consider Westbrook unstoppable then Boozer is unstoppable!...especially against the THUNDER. (Westbrook is nice...but he's no D. Rose.

k.smith904
02-03-2011, 11:43 AM
the bulls easily.

Better coach, and the best defense in the league.

nycericanguy
02-03-2011, 11:59 AM
This year the Bulls, afterwards the Thunder. I trust Durant and Westbrook because with the Bulls I don't trust that Boozer or Noah will be healthy enough.

This, as a Knick fan I hate CHI, but you guys have a great team and I said you did even before the season. Had you guys pegged at around 55 wins.

I'm surprised CHI is at that pace despite all the injuries. I would say CHI but Boozer is always injured and Noah is now starting to develop that same rep.

OKC has Westbrook & Durant, thats about as good a young duo as you get can. They also have Green & Harden who are very good young players and they can use as trade bait. And then they have Sergie who is underrated as a big man and only 23.

Long term I say OKC, unless CHI can prove they can stay healthy.

nycericanguy
02-03-2011, 12:01 PM
No disrespect I think the Bulls have a very good team but they also have the benefit of playing in the weakest conference in the league but also the weakest division in the league. It's very close between them both and one is not cleary better than the other

good point, CHI plays in BY FAR the worst conference in the NBA. There isn't another team even close to sniffing .500 in that conference. They've still had an amazing season though. I would LOVE to see a NY-CHI first round playoff, looks very possible if CHI stays at #3 and NY #6.

AntiG
02-03-2011, 12:02 PM
Thunder.

Chicagofaithful
02-03-2011, 12:14 PM
Chicago.

Cool007
02-03-2011, 12:25 PM
As long as that Point God is still playing in Chicago, I will never doubt.

Chicago pretty easily.

pd1dish
02-03-2011, 12:29 PM
OKC is a touch center away.. bulls are too injury prone

boozer and noah = patients

boozer is but noah has shown no signs of being injury prone. the majority of pro athletes experience at least one lengthy injury in their career. a right thumb injury is not going to be a recurring injury. last year he only played in 64 games and i dont recall what he was out for in the total of 18 games. i just remember he had a minor injury where he missed about 12 games in row

i think that this year and maybe for another year or two the bulls have a better shot than OKC. however, what makes me think OKC will have a better shot in a few years is simply because the east is becoming a much more competitive conference than the west. this year, in the west, you got LA and SA as the sure favorites. in the east, youve got boston and probably miami as the favorites. its about even.

however, with carmelo probably going to NY, Orlando still in the mix, the bulls up and coming, the heat are just going to keep getting better, the east will look very scary a year or two from now.

on the other hand, in the west in a couple of years, the lakers will probably still be contenders, but they wont be the powerhouse they have been in the last few years, the spurs are getting old (although they do have a lot of good young players), the mavs always choke anyways, so the thunder will probably have a good shot at the finals if they can land a good post scorer.

Baller1
02-03-2011, 12:46 PM
Seems the difference is once again between Rose and Westbrook.

Surprise.

nitric
02-03-2011, 12:50 PM
Seems the difference is one again between Rose and Westbrook.

Surprise.

Its more Rose vs Durant in reality. Stop trying to bud Rose with westbrook :laugh2:

footballer2369
02-03-2011, 12:56 PM
Durant is still better than Rose and Westbrook has an argument.

I take the Thunder here, because Bulls management never seems to make that final move needed while the Thunder still have options at C.

Actually, I take that back, they're in the same spot IMO. It's one move for each, although the Thunder do have more movable pieces.

Baller1
02-03-2011, 01:02 PM
Its more Rose vs Durant in reality. Stop trying to bud Rose with westbrook :laugh2:

No, it's not between Durant and Rose.

1. They're different positions.
2. Rose isn't on Durants level at all.

Avenged
02-03-2011, 01:06 PM
I am not going to read all this thread so i'll just give my opinion..

The Bulls have to get through the Heat.. They're good now, and will be even better in the future.

OKC on the other hand seems to be on the verge to take over the West with the decline of the Lakers/Spurs and all those teams with an aging core.

I'd say the OKC Thunder have a much higher chance to make some noise than the Bulls, considering they have Durant who's already a top 5 player (arguable?) and Westbrook who has made a major leap into the top 5 point guards discussion.

nitric
02-03-2011, 01:07 PM
Rose is closer to Durant than Westbrook is closer to Rose

gilly
02-03-2011, 01:11 PM
OKC need Tyson Chandler. They have a lot of money coming off the books, they could definitely give him a big contract, because they really need him. If they could either develop Ibaka enough to start and drop Green to sixth man or sign/trade for a good defensive PF they will be dominant, potentially #1 Seeds in the West.

goose14741
02-03-2011, 01:13 PM
chicago never seems to have a strong healthy five and has too many contract issues so i'll go with OKC

1.Westbrook is a year away from turning into D-Rose, plus D-Rose is inconsistent.
2.Don't mean to bash Rose but OKC already has a "super star." Yes Rose is a star but lacks the "super" -(haha)
3. I also believe OKC is closest to being able to afford and sign another star, possibily Dwight.

Either way they are younger and growing and seem to be the closest to a championship.

What?
02-03-2011, 01:18 PM
The bulls because as some people have said its alot easier to fill a sg that can hit a 3pt shot and defend then it is to get a dominant post presence not to mention a unhealthy bulls team has managed to get the 3rd best record in the league a pretty impressive feat no matter what conference or division your in.

nitric
02-03-2011, 01:20 PM
chicago never seems to have a strong healthy five and has too many contract issues so i'll go with OKC

1.Westbrook is a year away from turning into D-Rose, plus D-Rose is inconsistent.
2.Don't mean to bash Rose but OKC already has a "super star." Yes Rose is a star but lacks the "super" -(haha)
3. I also believe OKC is closest to being able to afford and sign another star, possibily Dwight.

Either way they are younger and growing and seem to be the closest to a championship.

1. Assuming Rose either regresses or stays the same over the offseason? Rose has improved multiple facets of his game EVERY offseason. Westbrook isn't on Rose's level
2. I think Rose is in the transition state of star-to-superstar but many already consider him a superstar.
3. Ok

D Roses Bulls
02-03-2011, 01:23 PM
chicago never seems to have a strong healthy five and has too many contract issues so i'll go with OKC

1.Westbrook is a year away from turning into D-Rose, plus D-Rose is inconsistent.
2.Don't mean to bash Rose but OKC already has a "super star." Yes Rose is a star but lacks the "super" -(haha)
3. I also believe OKC is closest to being able to afford and sign another star, possibily Dwight.

Either way they are younger and growing and seem to be the closest to a championship.

he's a year away? westbrook is older then rose, played college ball a year more and you do realize rose is only going to get better. so either way, westbrook will probably always be behind rose. westbrook is a second option on his team, rose is a first, can you imagine if rose played along side durrant? oh and west brook has arguably the best scorer in the NBA on his team and he only averages .3 assists more then rose.

how can you not say rose isn't a superstar? I guess you haven't been watching what rose is doing this year or how he has been carrying his injury plagued team. rose is the only player in the NBA that's in the top 2 in two major categories.

Mile High Champ
02-03-2011, 01:26 PM
OKC for me because I think the Thunder could win the West with one more trade. I don't think the Bulls can beat the Celtics,Heat or Magic in a 7 game series. The Thunder just have the makings of being the best team in the NBA soon if they cash in on that young talent as they should.

avon_barksdale
02-03-2011, 01:32 PM
Dam dem Chitown boys are everywhere. They all think they squads better, maybe they need to watch them Thunder play.

Da bulls play the worst div in the nba

nitric
02-03-2011, 01:38 PM
Dam dem Chitown boys are everywhere. They all think they squads better, maybe they need to watch them Thunder play.

Da bulls play the worst div in the nba

Bulls are 15-5 against the West.

avon_barksdale
02-03-2011, 01:47 PM
Bulls are 15-5 against the West.

Central--- Nap town 19-27, Bucks 19-28, Tha D 17-32, Cle 8-41

division is bum juice

DaBUU
02-03-2011, 01:49 PM
If hating was a sport, NBA forum would be the greatest team of all time.

Baller1
02-03-2011, 01:49 PM
he's a year away? westbrook is older then rose, played college ball a year more and you do realize rose is only going to get better. so either way, westbrook will probably always be behind rose. westbrook is a second option on his team, rose is a first, can you imagine if rose played along side durrant? oh and west brook has arguably the best scorer in the NBA on his team and he only averages .3 assists more then rose.

how can you not say rose isn't a superstar? I guess you haven't been watching what rose is doing this year or how he has been carrying his injury plagued team. rose is the only player in the NBA that's in the top 2 in two major categories.

1. The Bulls as a team shoot better from the field, so Rose has more oppurtunities to pick up assists off of teammates.
2. The Thunder lead the league in free throws attempted; many of those trips to the line are due to Westbrook.

avon_barksdale
02-03-2011, 01:50 PM
Now OKC

Nuggz- 29-20, Jazz 29-21, blaze 26-23, wolvez 11-37

Baller1
02-03-2011, 01:50 PM
If hating was a sport, NBA forum would be the greatest team of all time.

It really would.

The NBA forum is the "don't go" zone of PSD for veteran posters. Not many people like to venture in here.

Illinirob83
02-03-2011, 01:51 PM
Central--- Nap town 19-27, Bucks 19-28, Tha D 17-32, Cle 8-41

division is bum juice

The divisions in the NBA are meaningless unlike the other sports. Bulls have played 11 games against their division. The NBA is a balanced schedule, you don't play your division more than the other teams in your conference. Division is horrible, but so what? 15-5 vs. the West w/o either one of Boozer or Noah throughout that time.

RZZZA
02-03-2011, 01:51 PM
Central--- Nap town 19-27, Bucks 19-28, Tha D 17-32, Cle 8-41

division is bum juice

yeah, you're right, our team is horrible. Just terrible.

Bulls fans need to agree with people who diss our team instead of arguing with them, that'll be a nice breath of fresh air.

god, our team sucks so hard.

Fmaranesi
02-03-2011, 01:51 PM
The Thunder actually play in a good division, the Bulls on the other hand play in the worst division in the entire association....not 1 team other than the Bulls even has 20 wins yet. Bulls are good but I just think the Thunder are slightly better.

RZZZA
02-03-2011, 01:54 PM
The Thunder actually play in a good division, the Bulls on the other hand play in the worst division in the entire association....not 1 team other than the Bulls even has 20 wins yet. Bulls are goodbut I just think the Thunder are slightly better.

No, Bulls are not good, they're awful. They're fool's gold. They lost to the clippers, the nets, the bobcats.

Worst team in the league = the Bulls. They couldn't get past the Bobcats in a 7 game series.

Illinirob83
02-03-2011, 01:54 PM
The Thunder actually play in a good division, the Bulls on the other hand play in the worst division in the entire association....not 1 team other than the Bulls even has 20 wins yet. Bulls are good but I just think the Thunder are slightly better.

It amazes me that NBA fans look to divisions to determine anything. NBA DIVISIONS ARE MEANINGLESS! What do people not understand about that? That is fine if you think the Thunder are better, honestly I really don't know yet, but to say "well the bulls division sucks" so that makes the Thunder better is absolute ignorance and downright NBA stupidity. This isn't the NFL where you play your division half of your schedule or the MLB where you play the division for half of your schedule. You play your division as much as you play the other teams in the conference.

D Roses Bulls
02-03-2011, 01:54 PM
The Thunder actually play in a good division, the Bulls on the other hand play in the worst division in the entire association....not 1 team other than the Bulls even has 20 wins yet. Bulls are good but I just think the Thunder are slightly better.

oh but according to everyone on here, the bucks and pacers were suppose be good and now that they aren't performing that way so far, the division is weak? people need to make up their minds. oh and look at who the bulls have beaten so far.

D Roses Bulls
02-03-2011, 01:57 PM
1. The Bulls as a team shoot better from the field, so Rose has more oppurtunities to pick up assists off of teammates.
2. The Thunder lead the league in free throws attempted; many of those trips to the line are due to Westbrook.

I wouldnt say the bulls exactly have better shooters. I honestly dont know why you guys are so horrible from the 3 point line. I mean I was kind of surprise to see that westbrook for one is only shooting 20 percent from there.

Baller1
02-03-2011, 02:02 PM
I wouldnt say the bulls exactly have better shooters. I honestly dont know why you guys are so horrible from the 3 point line. I mean I was kind of surprise to see that westbrook for one is only shooting 20 percent from there.

Yeah I'm not saying the Bulls have great shooters, they're just better than OKC's.

It's pretty bad. One positive about Sef getting hurt is that it gave Cook a chance to play and he's playing great. He's hitting threes and Durant is starting to get his shot back as well so things are looking up, but yeah we're a pretty pathetic shooting team.

Westbrook sucks from long range, no other way to put it.

Sadds The Gr8
02-03-2011, 02:15 PM
he's a year away? westbrook is older then rose, played college ball a year more and you do realize rose is only going to get better.

actually they're the same age pretty much, but if u wanna nitpick, then Rose is older....

Westbrook - Nov, 1988
Rose - Oct, 1988

D Roses Bulls
02-03-2011, 02:24 PM
actually they're the same age pretty much, but if u wanna nitpick, then Rose is older....

Westbrook - Nov, 1988
Rose - Oct, 1988

that was neglectful on my part, I didnt look at the birth years, I just saw westbrook played 2 years in college and assumed

DLeeicious
02-03-2011, 03:04 PM
The Thunder are the only team in the league that I would consider trading straight up for my team (The Bulls obv). This is factoring in age, talent, team makeup and likeability of players. Yes this forum is full of bulls haters but non bias nba fans (basically anyone not on this bias website) realize they are an extremely likeable hard working group just like the Thunder and for me as a fan that's a big thing.

That being said I still wouldn't pull the trigger although it's very close. The key for me is Luol Deng. He is underrated by about everyone, especially bulls fans and it's a been that way for years although some are starting to see the light. Dengs consistent play offensively and especially defensively this year is a BIG reason for the banged up Bulls stellar record. Rose gets all the attention and rightfully so as he is our MVP but take Deng out of this lineup and the Bulls are nowhere near 34-14 right now.

Basically Rose-Booz-Noah is a wash with Durant-WB-Green and they have no one near Deng and that puts us over the edge.

I really do like the Thunder as much as baller23453461234234235431264512342314321643523142 31542346 tries to make me not like them out of spite. :rolleyes:

avon_barksdale
02-03-2011, 03:06 PM
aight yall i was jus sayin the bulls squad is overrated by most da fans on here. Dont matter cuz neither them or OKC iz title battlers. they in the next best group

DLeeicious
02-03-2011, 03:08 PM
aight yall i was jus sayin the bulls squad is overrated by most da fans on here. Dont matter cuz neither them or OKC iz title battlers. they in the next best group

they don be in da next best group. wha u think dem otha teams be beating them erry time?

avon_barksdale
02-03-2011, 03:12 PM
wateva man make fun of me. aiiiight, jus sayin how it iz. Ima wiz fan and don care bout the bulls or thunder they aint gonna beat boston heat magic lakeshow or spurs

DLeeicious
02-03-2011, 03:15 PM
You can't be real

RZZZA
02-03-2011, 03:21 PM
:laugh2:

chicago lulz
02-03-2011, 03:22 PM
haha, I don't get how people type like that. Actually, would speak like that, but I'm more forgiving of speaking vs typing. Are you just thinking in your head how you would pronounce something, and then make an attempt at typing it out by how you would pronounce the word. I call fake.

Anyways, this whole division argument is moot considering the Bulls/Thunder are not strictly playing teams in their respected division. Also, this thread isn't who is the better team in their division. I can only assume you are either using illogical reasoning or you're trolling

Sadds The Gr8
02-03-2011, 03:30 PM
if I had to choose one of these teams based on roster only (i think the Bulls have way better coaching), then i'd pick OKC. More balanced scoring, a top 5 PG, the best scorer in the game, and more young talent. they need to trade Green for a quality C, and start Ibaka at PF and Harden at SG over Thabo so their interior defense can be better and they can have better 3pt shooting. if they did that, then they'd be a true contender. their starting frontcourt is an SF playing PF, and Nenad Krstic :facepalm: no wonder their defense and rebounding isn't good.

nycericanguy
02-03-2011, 04:24 PM
Yea OKC is not a finished product. CHI doesn't have much in the way of trade assets. But OKC has some serious trade assets in Green & Harden that if they play their cards right should eventually get them 1 or 2 major pieces to put them over the top.

John Walls Era
02-03-2011, 04:25 PM
OKC only because they have a top 5 player in KD. ONly missing a post player and they can seriously become a top 3 seed.

unwantedplayer
02-03-2011, 04:52 PM
Edit: Nvm

Redbull
02-03-2011, 05:46 PM
Right now ill say Chicago just because of the defense, they are both just one player away from being really special though.

jaded01
02-03-2011, 06:04 PM
OKC only because they have a top 5 player in KD. ONly missing a post player and they can seriously become a top 3 seed.

the bulls already have the third best record in the league

nice try though

shizzle09
02-03-2011, 06:07 PM
Rose-westbrook = wash
Bogans/Brewer-Harden/sebalosha = wash
Deng-Durant = Durant
Boozer - Green = Boozer
Noah - Ibaka/Krstic - Ibaka playing well but Noah is all hustle.

Looking at the break down i'd say its pretty dam close but i'd give the edge to the Bulls. Taj and Watson give more than Collison and Maynor

shizzle09
02-03-2011, 06:08 PM
Right now ill say Chicago just because of the defense, they are both just one player away from being really special though.

this

Slimsim
02-03-2011, 06:16 PM
I think Chicago is already Elite and probably the only team in the east that can take the Celtics in a 7 game series

SteBO
02-03-2011, 06:20 PM
I think Chicago is already Elite and probably the only team in the east that can take the Celtics in a 7 game series
Orlando and Miami would like to have a word with you.

Slimsim
02-03-2011, 06:26 PM
Orlando and Miami would like to have a word with you.

Chicago is better than both those teams. God forbid if they get someone like JR smith

SteBO
02-03-2011, 06:30 PM
Chicago is better than both those teams. God forbid if they get someone like JR smith
:laugh2: I'll have to disagree with you here, bt I do agree that if they get a shooting guard they'll be bigger threats than they already are.

JB0B0
02-03-2011, 06:57 PM
The Thunder are a legit post presence away from being a title contender. However, finding a legitimate post presence is very hard to do. You can ask us Bulls fans about that one :laugh2:

Raph12
02-03-2011, 07:01 PM
Chitown is closer to being elite because they are decent at every position and way more superior when it comes to coaching... The Thunder still need a real big man.

Gootie42
02-03-2011, 07:22 PM
Rose-westbrook = wash
Bogans/Brewer-Harden/sebalosha = wash
Deng-Durant = Durant
Boozer - Green = Boozer
Noah - Ibaka/Krstic - Ibaka playing well but Noah is all hustle.

Looking at the break down i'd say its pretty dam close but i'd give the edge to the Bulls. Taj and Watson give more than Collison and Maynor

That is a horrible way of evaluating teams. Position by position doesn't mean a thing.

lol @ the PGs being equal

-Kobe24-TJ19-
02-03-2011, 07:29 PM
Bulls for sure

shizzle09
02-03-2011, 07:39 PM
I think Chicago is already Elite and probably the only team in the east that can take the Celtics in a 7 game series

If the Heat are healthy nobody is better suited to beat the celtics than the Heat. How you see the Bulls as the only team that can beat them in a series is comical. You must be another Miami hater. The Bulls struggled to beat a heat team without LBJ IN CHICAGO(and Haslem)!! NO offense to Bulls fans as they earned that victory it just amazes me when people toss statements like this out there acting like the Heat winning 26 out of their last 31 is something to disregard especially when 3 of those losses were with LBJ/Wade or Bosh out of the lineup. The east can be won by any of the top 4 teams IMO.

Sox72
02-03-2011, 07:41 PM
If the Heat are healthy nobody is better suited to beat the celtics than the Heat. How you see the Bulls as the only team that can beat them in a series is comical. You must be another Miami hater. The Bulls struggled to beat a heat team without LBJ IN CHICAGO(and Haslem)!! NO offense to Bulls fans as they earned that victory it just amazes me when people toss statements like this out there acting like the Heat winning 26 out of their last 31 is something to disregard especially when 3 of those losses were with LBJ/Wade or Bosh out of the lineup. The east can be won by any of the top 4 teams IMO.

Good post. Agreed.

Slimsim
02-03-2011, 08:02 PM
If the Heat are healthy nobody is better suited to beat the celtics than the Heat. How you see the Bulls as the only team that can beat them in a series is comical. You must be another Miami hater. The Bulls struggled to beat a heat team without LBJ IN CHICAGO(and Haslem)!! NO offense to Bulls fans as they earned that victory it just amazes me when people toss statements like this out there acting like the Heat winning 26 out of their last 31 is something to disregard especially when 3 of those losses were with LBJ/Wade or Bosh out of the lineup. The east can be won by any of the top 4 teams IMO.

Beat Boston then I'll consider the heats. And I don't hate the heats just you fake fans

shizzle09
02-03-2011, 08:25 PM
Beat Boston then I'll consider the heats. And I don't hate the heats just you fake fans

fake fans? I still wear my Glen Rice jersey clown. You just proved my point. When you call heat fans across the board fake/bandwagon fans without knowing who your talking to YOU ARE a heat hater.

shizzle09
02-03-2011, 08:27 PM
Good post. Agreed.

Hopefully the Celts lose first round (never happen) so we can get possibly get an ECF with the Bulls/Heat. Now that would be some fun.

Baller1
02-03-2011, 11:36 PM
If I'm going to be completely honest, an OKC/Chicago Finals would be arguably the most exciting (also Miami/OKC, LA/Miami, LA/Boston).

But I'd really like to see these two teams shock the world and head to the finals.

soonabooma
02-04-2011, 12:55 AM
if I had to choose one of these teams based on roster only (i think the Bulls have way better coaching), then i'd pick OKC. More balanced scoring, a top 5 PG, the best scorer in the game, and more young talent. they need to trade Green for a quality C, and start Ibaka at PF and Harden at SG over Thabo so their interior defense can be better and they can have better 3pt shooting. if they did that, then they'd be a true contender. their starting frontcourt is an SF playing PF, and Nenad Krstic :facepalm: no wonder their defense and rebounding isn't good.

I'm not sticking our best defender on the bench. Harden ain't that good. He can score, but he's hot and cold like everybody else. I'd rather have a guy who you know can at least give you a chance at frustrating some of the better scorers in the league and take anything he gives us offensively as a bonus. I've been saying it all along, and I will continue to say it. If we're gonna make a run at becoming one of the true contenders in the league, both Sefolosha and Ibaka will be much more important than Green and Harden. We've got our scorers in Durant and Westbrook. Assuming we eventually get a better big man, and we have our two superstars out there, give me our best defender(Sefolosha) and our best special teams player(Ibaka) any day of the week in our starting five.

JB0B0
02-04-2011, 02:31 AM
If the Heat are healthy nobody is better suited to beat the celtics than the Heat. How you see the Bulls as the only team that can beat them in a series is comical. You must be another Miami hater. The Bulls struggled to beat a heat team without LBJ IN CHICAGO(and Haslem)!! NO offense to Bulls fans as they earned that victory it just amazes me when people toss statements like this out there acting like the Heat winning 26 out of their last 31 is something to disregard especially when 3 of those losses were with LBJ/Wade or Bosh out of the lineup. The east can be won by any of the top 4 teams IMO.

The Bulls were without Noah. Of course, he doesn't make as much of an impact as LeBron but still a big presence for the Bulls. Nevertheless, I agree with the rest of your post, although I don't think any of the top 4 teams can win the east. It's between Miami and Boston right now, the Bulls if we can acquire a good 2 guard. I don't see Orlando being in the picture. They're simply not as good as Boston, Miami, or Chicago.

cubswin25
02-04-2011, 04:50 AM
The Bulls were without Noah. Of course, he doesn't make as much of an impact as LeBron but still a big presence for the Bulls.

Yeah plus the Bulls just didn't really play that good that night. The Bulls had a big lead on them late in the 3rd quarter and let them back in the game. Which is something they have done a lot this year when they lost games. So were the Bulls lucky to win that game? Sure because they played poorly. Deng and Boozer both had subpar games for them and they basically won due to Rose carrying the team and Kyle Korver hitting a big shot. So yeah Lebron will make a difference, but so will Noah. Plus Deng/Boozer are unlikely to get 24 total points between them either. Overall it was just one game and a win is still a win for the Bulls. But if Heat fans are gonna make excuses about no Lebron, Bulls fans can also make the case that they won with no Noah and had subpar scoring nights from Boozer/Deng(when compared to their season totals). So the excuses can go both ways. I agree that any of the four teams can win the East(the Magic look pretty bad right now though), but I don't think people are wrong to question things about the Heat. They haven't done well in close games this year and despite two superstars in Wade/Lebron and a pretty good player in Bosh. They have big weakness in other spots, that teams like the Bulls, Celtics and even Magic are strong at. So it has nothing to do with hating the Heat or whatever. Just a lot people believe that team will be explosed against a good team in a 7 game series, and from watching the Heats play this year. I think it's fair to feel that way and it's not like plenty of NBA experts haven't questioned the same things. So I almost think it's the other way around, with a lot of Heat fans buying into the hype. Rather then the actual teams performance this year.

Kashmir13579
02-04-2011, 04:53 AM
Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka over Rose, Booz, and Noah

Kashmir13579
02-04-2011, 04:55 AM
I think Chicago is already Elite and probably the only team in the east that can take the Celtics in a 7 game series

really?:confused:

cubswin25
02-04-2011, 05:04 AM
Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka over Rose, Booz, and Noah

Is the NBA 3 on 3 play now? The full Bulls team is better, and does things like play defense and rebound well that the Thunder doesn't do. That's what matters, now having one or two more talented guys then the other team.

ChiSox219
02-04-2011, 05:11 AM
If the Heat are healthy nobody is better suited to beat the celtics than the Heat. How you see the Bulls as the only team that can beat them in a series is comical. You must be another Miami hater. The Bulls struggled to beat a heat team without LBJ IN CHICAGO(and Haslem)!! NO offense to Bulls fans as they earned that victory it just amazes me when people toss statements like this out there acting like the Heat winning 26 out of their last 31 is something to disregard especially when 3 of those losses were with LBJ/Wade or Bosh out of the lineup. The east can be won by any of the top 4 teams IMO.

I'd be surprised if the Heat didn't get swept by the Celtics.

abe_froman
02-04-2011, 05:15 AM
If I'm going to be completely honest, an OKC/Chicago Finals would be arguably the most exciting (also Miami/OKC, LA/Miami, LA/Boston).

But I'd really like to see these two teams shock the world and head to the finals.

same here,hopefully we'll see it play out a few times over the next decade

Baller1
02-04-2011, 11:54 AM
Is the NBA 3 on 3 play now? The full Bulls team is better, and does things like play defense and rebound well that the Thunder doesn't do. That's what matters, now having one or two more talented guys then the other team.

No, the Thunder have the better roster. Chicago however has the much better coaching.

J-Relo
02-04-2011, 12:23 PM
I'd be surprised if the Heat didn't get swept by the Celtics.

Really?:speechless:

Iverson-finals-1-game-hero thing is more possible on the Heat than on any other team... :eyebrow:

KnicksorBust
02-04-2011, 12:24 PM
Bulls. I love their frontcourt and Rose has taken his own individual leap as a player.

D Roses Bulls
02-04-2011, 12:34 PM
No, the Thunder have the better roster. Chicago however has the much better coaching.

Really? cause I couldn't tell by our record without our best defensive player being out and still better and if im not mistaken, I believe our SOS is better as well for the season so far and our stats as a team are better too.

effen5
02-04-2011, 01:02 PM
No, the Thunder have the better roster. Chicago however has the much better coaching.

you guys have a better roster offensively

Bulls have a better roster defensively

ATX
02-04-2011, 01:19 PM
I'd be surprised if the Heat didn't get swept by the Celtics.

Really, cause the Heat won one game agaisnt the Celts in the playoffs last year with Jermaine O'Neal and Beasley being Wade's 2nd and 3rd options. Now they add LeBron James, Chris Bosh and Mike Miller, and they get swept? Hmm. Interestic logic...Souds more like your just being a hater. One other thing...Have you ever watched Dwyane Wade in the playoffs? He takes it to the highest level.

SteBO
02-04-2011, 01:24 PM
Really, cause the Heat won one game agaisnt the Celts in the playoffs last year with Jermaine O'Neal and Beasley being Wade's 2nd and 3rd options. Now they add LeBron James, Chris Bosh and Mike Miller, and they get swept? Hmm. Interestic logic...Souds more like your just being a hater. One other thing...Have you ever watched Dwyane Wade in the playoffs? He takes it to the highest level.

:nod: I truly find it amazing that some, not all, non-heat fans can't use logic or reasoning behind their posts. ATX, do you remember what Dwyane Wade averaged against the Celtics last year? 32 pts. 6 reb. and 6 assists on 58% shooting. AND HE'S A SHOOTING GUARD! Obviously this year's different and Boston's greatly retooled, but so has Miami. This is why I didn't respond to him. I guess I was too busy :laugh:

Avenged
02-04-2011, 01:34 PM
Not that I don't think MIA can't beat the Celtics, but last year was last year..

Maybe the Celtics didn't give it their all because it was only the Wade show? I mean, it just doesn't hold much of a significance this season.

I'd love for them to battle it out though, those 2, in my opinion are the best teams out East.

SteBO
02-04-2011, 01:39 PM
Not that I don't think MIA can't beat the Celtics, but last year was last year..

Maybe the Celtics didn't give it their all because it was only the Wade show? I mean, it just doesn't hold much of a significance this season.

I'd love for them to battle it out though, those 2, in my opinion are the best teams out East.

Exactly. My point was, how can anyone here just assume we're going to get our *** kicked by Boston in the playoffs? Two games is a joke of a sample size.

Avenged
02-04-2011, 01:45 PM
Exactly. My point was, how can anyone here just assume we're going to get our *** kicked by Boston in the playoffs? Two games is a joke of a sample size.

It can be, but I can't think of many teams who struggle against a team in the reg. season and beat them in the playoffs. I may be wrong though.. I know the Lakers did it to the Magic a couple seasons ago..

Bostons frontcourt will probably cause some trouble for the Heat.

But then again, when you have Wade who can pick it up when it matters most, and Lebron who's just a statistical freak of nature hungry for a championship, I wouldn't rule them out at all.

That's why I think HCA is very important.

Sadds The Gr8
02-04-2011, 01:46 PM
I'm not sticking our best defender on the bench. Harden ain't that good. He can score, but he's hot and cold like everybody else. I'd rather have a guy who you know can at least give you a chance at frustrating some of the better scorers in the league and take anything he gives us offensively as a bonus. I've been saying it all along, and I will continue to say it. If we're gonna make a run at becoming one of the true contenders in the league, both Sefolosha and Ibaka will be much more important than Green and Harden. We've got our scorers in Durant and Westbrook. Assuming we eventually get a better big man, and we have our two superstars out there, give me our best defender(Sefolosha) and our best special teams player(Ibaka) any day of the week in our starting five.

i see...but the reason i said to put Harden in is because they'll need better 3pt shooting if Ibaka replaces Green. Having Thabo and Ibaka in makes it really tough for Westbrook and even Durant to penetrate because there's no outside shooting at all there. I think starting Harden will be a better idea. There's nothing wrong with bringing Thabo off the bench he can still get 25+ mins a game if he's the 6th man. Ray Allen wasn't a good defender but he still guarded Kobe because he started...then Boston just managed to use Posey (in 08) and Tony Allen (in 2010) to guard him in later in the game. Plus i think it'd be better for the future and Harden's development too.

SteBO
02-04-2011, 01:48 PM
It can be, but I can't think of many teams who struggle against a team in the reg. season and beat them in the playoffs. I may be wrong though.. I know the Lakers did it to the Magic a couple seasons ago..

Bostons frontcourt will probably cause some trouble for the Heat.

But then again, when you have Wade who can pick it up when it matters most, and Lebron who's just a statistical freak of nature hungry for a championship, I wouldn't rule them out at all.

That's why I think HCA is very important.

I forgot about that factor. Game 7's in Boston are extremely difficult to win if you're the road team. LeBron's experienced that already, when he went toe to toe with Pierce in the '08 playoffs.

stlbest5in2013
02-04-2011, 02:00 PM
It can be, but I can't think of many teams who struggle against a team in the reg. season and beat them in the playoffs. I may be wrong though.. I know the Lakers did it to the Magic a couple seasons ago..

Bostons frontcourt will probably cause some trouble for the Heat.

But then again, when you have Wade who can pick it up when it matters most, and Lebron who's just a statistical freak of nature, DESPERATE for a championship, I wouldn't rule them out at all.

That's why I think HCA is very important.

fixed that for you.

if lebron is so great, and the reason the cavs will be 40 games or worse off this year from last year. then he obviously elevated that whole rosters game.

but in miami if lebron is so awsome, then how come they are not 46-? right now? injuries are not an excuse, because the bulls have had 2 key pieces miss "real" time this year, but with less star power are right there with them. chemistry is not an excuse either, because last time i checked the bulls and heat had the same time in the preseason to jell.

lebron quit in the playoffs last year, thats a fact, you can say its not because he never will admitt it, but if you watched the games, you dont need his word on it, not that his word is worth a damn in the first place to begin with.(thats why i cant stand the man, its not his game, its his ego, and lack or being a professional)

so he is desperate for a title, not hungry, there is a huge difference. if he was hungry for a title, he would have taken his game to a new level.

for all the lebron lovers, he will never be the greatest of all time, sorry.

IF he wins a championship or a few of them, he will always be remembered as the guy, who had to either be wade's sidekick, or the man with all the talent in the world who had to have 2 sidekicks to get it done.

lebron is better at the time he joined wade and bosh, then pierce was when garnett and allen arrived in boston

wade is better then allen when he joined lebron and bosh, then allen when he joined pierce and garnett

garnett is better then bosh, when bosh joined wade and lebron, when he joined allen and pierce

stlbest5in2013
02-04-2011, 02:08 PM
Central--- Nap town 19-27, Bucks 19-28, Tha D 17-32, Cle 8-41

division is bum juice



the fac yo 100 pircent white boi, makez ya typing look fuking histericool. this aint twitter ight numb nutz.

only a clueless nba fan would use division stregnth as an exapmle of how good a team is. you probably jerk off to john wall

SteBO
02-04-2011, 02:09 PM
fixed that for you.

if lebron is so great, and the reason the cavs will be 40 games or worse off this year from last year. then he obviously elevated that whole rosters game.

but in miami if lebron is so awsome, then how come they are not 46-? right now? injuries are not an excuse, because the bulls have had 2 key pieces miss "real" time this year, but with less star power are right there with them. chemistry is not an excuse either, because last time i checked the bulls and heat had the same time in the preseason to jell.

lebron quit in the playoffs last year, thats a fact, you can say its not because he never will admitt it, but if you watched the games, you dont need his word on it, not that his word is worth a damn in the first place to begin with.(thats why i cant stand the man, its not his game, its his ego, and lack or being a professional)

so he is desperate for a title, not hungry, there is a huge difference. if he was hungry for a title, he would have taken his game to a new level.

for all the lebron lovers, he will never be the greatest of all time, sorry.

IF he wins a championship or a few of them, he will always be remembered as the guy, who had to either be wade's sidekick, or the man with all the talent in the world who had to have 2 sidekicks to get it done.

lebron is better at the time he joined wade and bosh, then pierce was when garnett and allen arrived in boston

wade is better then allen when he joined lebron and bosh, then allen when he joined pierce and garnett

garnett is better then bosh, when bosh joined wade and lebron, when he joined allen and pierce

LeBron did have a triple-double that night, bt that off natural talent. He did quit imo, so we agree on that. However,.....

1) Injuries aren't an excuse? :shrug: You can't be serious, man. Injuries are a huge reason to why our record isn't better, and to add to that, when you gut your roster and create a completely new one, you aren't going to have a 46-? to start off. It just wasn't likely to happen.

2) Chemistry is the biggest reason why we don't have a better record. :facepalm: C'mon man. D-Wade missed the entire preseason, so I don't know how you come up with that foolish assessment.

3) I could easily sit here, and go on and on about how stacked the Celtics and Lakers were in the 80s. Fact of the matter is, you need to have someone else alongside to help with the heavy lifting. You can't do on your own. History will tell you that.

stlbest5in2013
02-04-2011, 02:31 PM
talent does not equal championships. you still have to play the game as a team, and on both sides of the ball.

dwight howard could be the best player in the league in 1-3 years, as long as his offense keeps improving. that said, he scored 40 against the bulls, and they still lost. unless he scored 80 a game, teams will let him score, just like teams will let durant score 50 if other players dont score squat.

the thunder need a legit big man, not some bloke looking for work.

the bulls, all they need is a sg, who can play decent enough defense(#1 defensive team in the league, yet no lock down defenders, hmmmmmm), dribble the ball, shot the 3 at a good enough clip, and be able to take it, or cut to the rim. they dont need a scorer to give them 20, they need a guy who will give them 12-15 tops a night. someone you have to respect on the perimeter.

there for the "need" difference is huge, and the bulls are better.

as for people saying westbrook is close to rose, please!!!!!!!!! westbrook is good, rose is a different type of animal. if rose was 6'7-6'8 ad a sf, people would be asking who is better, james or rose, because if rose was that size he would just shoot over the top of everyone like james and durant do. rose is not a sf, or a sg, he is a scoring pg.

rondo is the best pure pg in the game, but rose cold do what rondo does in boston, on the celtics with that roster. rondo cant come to chicago and do rose's job. rose would be at 20+ pts and 12-15 assists a night, if he was in okc and had the best scorer in the game to dish it to. westbrook can not come into chicago and do what rose does.

is rose a top 5 player at his position?yes
is rose a top 5 pg? probably not, thats not what he does on the bulls.

rose is the only player in the league in the top 10 in scoring and assists.

the only other pg who can for sure come into chicago and do what rose does, is williams. pul maybe, but i doubt it.

so you can sit here and argue that rose is either the best "player" at pg, and if he is not the only other player better at PG is williams. again this is not the best "pg" its the best player at PG. there is a difference.

if i am building a team and i need a pg to play defense, and even more be a distrubitor of the ball, for a team of scorers, im taking 1 of: rondo, paul, williams/westbrook

if im taking a pg, to be the man on my team, and be a scorer,and run the offense through him, instead of him running the offense then i am taking either: rose or williams and nobody else.

ATX
02-04-2011, 03:10 PM
fixed that for you.

if lebron is so great, and the reason the cavs will be 40 games or worse off this year from last year. then he obviously elevated that whole rosters game.

but in miami if lebron is so awsome, then how come they are not 46-? right now? injuries are not an excuse, because the bulls have had 2 key pieces miss "real" time this year, but with less star power are right there with them. chemistry is not an excuse either, because last time i checked the bulls and heat had the same time in the preseason to jell.

lebron quit in the playoffs last year, thats a fact, you can say its not because he never will admitt it, but if you watched the games, you dont need his word on it, not that his word is worth a damn in the first place to begin with.(thats why i cant stand the man, its not his game, its his ego, and lack or being a professional)

so he is desperate for a title, not hungry, there is a huge difference. if he was hungry for a title, he would have taken his game to a new level.

for all the lebron lovers, he will never be the greatest of all time, sorry.

IF he wins a championship or a few of them, he will always be remembered as the guy, who had to either be wade's sidekick, or the man with all the talent in the world who had to have 2 sidekicks to get it done.

lebron is better at the time he joined wade and bosh, then pierce was when garnett and allen arrived in boston

wade is better then allen when he joined lebron and bosh, then allen when he joined pierce and garnett

garnett is better then bosh, when bosh joined wade and lebron, when he joined allen and pierce

Stebo nailed it when he said "Foolish assesment". This is the classic case of a person infected with blind hate. Terrible assesment, and post should be deleted for making everyone dumber. If you seriously expected Miami to be 46-3 in their first year together, then well...I'll just leave that alone.

Hiphopopotamus
02-04-2011, 03:38 PM
Im not a Heat fan, at all. I think that Boston would win a 7 game series, but to think that the Heat wouldn't win a game is insane. They could win it all this year and a MIA-BOS series would be an absolute dogfight.

On topic: I'd take the Bulls. I'm a Bulls fan though. However, someone earlier sad he'd take OKC but Bulls were only better due to THibs....so what, the coach is part of the team.

cubswin25
02-04-2011, 05:14 PM
1) Injuries aren't an excuse? You can't be serious, man. Injuries are a huge reason to why our record isn't better, and to add to that, when you gut your roster and create a completely new one, you aren't going to have a 46-? to start off. It just wasn't likely to happen.

You are making excuses, because the Heat injuries weren't big ones. If Lebron, Wade or Bosh missed a month to month and half. Then you could talk, but guys like Haslem or Miller is just making a excuse. Do you think Bulls fans would be making excuses if Taj Gibson or Kyle Korver missed time? No, because we have had real injuries like Boozer out for a month plus and Noah out for two months. You are also making a excuse for saying well they weren't use to playing with eachother with so much roster turnover. Hmm... last I looked the Bulls brought back just Rose,Noah,Gibson, Deng from last year and didn't even have Boozer to late November. Heck the Bulls only had a handful of games when they been 100 percent all year. So when the Heat brought back Chamlers, Wade, Anthony, Jones, Arroyo and Haslem. I'm not going to buy into that excuse either. The Heats record is what it is, because that team has holes and the big three doesn't always play well together. Which is the problem you are often gonna have with three superstars in their prime who all want a piece and a bunch of mediocre players around them. A team like the Celtics has mastered how those guys are gonna need to play to win and how to put good players around them. Until the Heats big three can play as one and they get better players around them they aren't going anywhere. Basketball is a team game, and the Heat go through too many stretches where they don't play that way. Last nights game with Lebron scoring 51 and the team scoring 104, is exactly what they can't do if they wanna win in the playoffs and against a team like the Celtics, Lakers,Spurs or possibly Bulls. Ask yourself this when was the last time Allen, Pierce or Garnett had a high 40s or 50 point game? Heat fans are so in love with that team on paper due to the star power. That they ignore the big issues they have, and believe star power wins championships. If you wanna talk about a great team, lets talk about the 72-10 Bulls won the championship. Was that team great because Jordan/Pippen, or was it great because they had those guys mixed with really good "team". The combo of Jordan/Pippen with Ron Harper, Rodman, Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington. How you win in the NBA is a few star players, and really good role players around them. That mixed with good coaching, defense and rebounding. The current Bulls team has a lot of that and that's why fans are getting excited. The Spurs and Lakers also had that in recent years, and even the Heat did when they won a championship. This Heat team doesn't have the same depth and the right mix of stars.

effen5
02-04-2011, 06:11 PM
Stebo nailed it when he said "Foolish assesment". This is the classic case of a person infected with blind hate. Terrible assesment, and post should be deleted for making everyone dumber. If you seriously expected Miami to be 46-3 in their first year together, then well...I'll just leave that alone.

A lot of your Heat troll posters did....

DITKA4GOV
02-07-2011, 03:24 PM
I love when I come into a post regarding two teams other than the Heat, somehow, someway Heat fans have something to say. The Heat have a 3 headed monster, and look set to possibly dominate in the future. Injury prone players and the new CBA may be the Heats toughest competition and possibly it's undoing.

On subject, Thunder Vs. Bulls. If I wasn't a Bulls fan, it would be hard not to root for the Thunder. Fun to watch, great ball players, and appear to be a well knit group. If Big Country #2 (Cole) flowers into a legit center, the Thunder could be even deadlier.
Now, I understand my view is bias, so no need to attack me. From my Rose colored glasses, I say the Bulls have the brighter future currently. A trade, free agent pick up, or draft pick can throw any of this out the window. The nucleus the Bulls have along with the depth on the bench, and the coaching give them the slight advantage over the Thunder. The bulls have one of the best records in the league without fully fielding the starting 5 they put together this off-season. Keeping that in mind, the Bulls are still ranked #1 in defense. Injuries could also be Chicago's biggest nightmare, along with Bogan starting at SG. The Thunder def have the advantage there!!!

I really feel there is no winner or loser picking between the Bulls and Thunder. They could end up being what the Bulls/Jazz of the 90's was. The real loser in all of this is Portland. First Bowie, than Oden. Could of drafted Jordan than missed on Durant. ouch!

Tarheels23
02-07-2011, 03:36 PM
Today, it is the Bulls. The thunder lack the size needed for a playoff run to the finals. Yes the Bulls lack some backcourt depth and a SG, but the Thunder's weakness of lacking a C is a larger hole.

For the future, it is the Thunder. Top 3 player in the NBA, Top 3-4 PG in the NBA, lots of young talent and lots of cap room.

ackar
02-07-2011, 04:38 PM
Chicago is better because the sum of their parts fits. A lot this great duo this that duo that but a NBA team roster is 14 guys. The rotation is usually 10 to 11. To me there are only two better put together teams than Chicago right now Spurs and Celtics.

Taking apart the Chicago team and going one on one with the Thunder then yes the thunder will have a slight edge.

SteBO
02-07-2011, 04:42 PM
You are making excuses, because the Heat injuries weren't big ones. If Lebron, Wade or Bosh missed a month to month and half. Then you could talk, but guys like Haslem or Miller is just making a excuse. Do you think Bulls fans would be making excuses if Taj Gibson or Kyle Korver missed time? No, because we have had real injuries like Boozer out for a month plus and Noah out for two months. You are also making a excuse for saying well they weren't use to playing with eachother with so much roster turnover. Hmm... last I looked the Bulls brought back just Rose,Noah,Gibson, Deng from last year and didn't even have Boozer to late November. Heck the Bulls only had a handful of games when they been 100 percent all year. So when the Heat brought back Chamlers, Wade, Anthony, Jones, Arroyo and Haslem. I'm not going to buy into that excuse either. The Heats record is what it is, because that team has holes and the big three doesn't always play well together. Which is the problem you are often gonna have with three superstars in their prime who all want a piece and a bunch of mediocre players around them. A team like the Celtics has mastered how those guys are gonna need to play to win and how to put good players around them. Until the Heats big three can play as one and they get better players around them they aren't going anywhere. Basketball is a team game, and the Heat go through too many stretches where they don't play that way. Last nights game with Lebron scoring 51 and the team scoring 104, is exactly what they can't do if they wanna win in the playoffs and against a team like the Celtics, Lakers,Spurs or possibly Bulls. Ask yourself this when was the last time Allen, Pierce or Garnett had a high 40s or 50 point game? Heat fans are so in love with that team on paper due to the star power. That they ignore the big issues they have, and believe star power wins championships. If you wanna talk about a great team, lets talk about the 72-10 Bulls won the championship. Was that team great because Jordan/Pippen, or was it great because they had those guys mixed with really good "team". The combo of Jordan/Pippen with Ron Harper, Rodman, Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington. How you win in the NBA is a few star players, and really good role players around them. That mixed with good coaching, defense and rebounding. The current Bulls team has a lot of that and that's why fans are getting excited. The Spurs and Lakers also had that in recent years, and even the Heat did when they won a championship. This Heat team doesn't have the same depth and the right mix of stars.
:facepalm: This post is full of premature leaps and just straight up nonsense. Your last sentence just made it worse. It isn't an excuse, it's reality. Udonis Haslem is very important for our team, and he's been out since November and won't come back til next month. Mike Miller was out for a long time, and LeBron, Wade, and Bosh have missed games. Those are big injuries if you ask me. BTW, the Heat do have the right mix of stars. You just sound bitter.

GSwarriors4LIFE
02-07-2011, 04:51 PM
I have to go with the bulls. OKC needs a big man and does not play the D the bulls do. To me OKC seems too overhyped(my opinion) and I will not support them untill they make it out of the first round. When Noah comes back the bulls will be stacked on the defense and can seriously pose a threat to boston and maybe Miami. Even though D.rose had 9 TO's against my Warriors is still think dude is a flat out BEAST and I would take him to be the leader of my team over durant....anyday!

DITKA4GOV
02-08-2011, 01:11 PM
"Mike Miller was out for a long time, and LeBron, Wade, and Bosh have missed games. Those are big injuries if you ask me. BTW, the Heat do have the right mix of stars. You just sound bitter"

Where did it say Heat anything in the title of this post? None the less lets defrag your statement. Injuries are a major hinderance to any team's long term goals. Yes, the Heat have a great nucleus of studs. They (Wade,Bron,Bosh) put together a great group. Problem is that group may have a tough time becoming a championship team. Ego's, chemistry, CBA agreement (i.e. capspace), and injuries all are obstacles the Heat will have to get over. Teams are built around stars, with formidable role players. Haslem isn't getting any younger, Miller is always an injury waiting to happend, and the big three have had slight injury problems this year. The Heat can end up being great, but time will tell. In conclusion, I pick the Bulls over the Thunder... again. See previous post for reasons why.

I think Rose is unbelievable, but if I started a team it would be hard not to start with Durant. Dude's a stud. Ask Portland what regrets are like!

Baller1
02-08-2011, 01:17 PM
I have to go with the bulls. OKC needs a big man and does not play the D the bulls do. To me OKC seems too overhyped(my opinion) and I will not support them untill they make it out of the first round. When Noah comes back the bulls will be stacked on the defense and can seriously pose a threat to boston and maybe Miami. Even though D.rose had 9 TO's against my Warriors is still think dude is a flat out BEAST and I would take him to be the leader of my team over durant....anyday!

:laugh2:

I don't even think the Bulls fans would take Rose over Durant.

JayTee1981
02-08-2011, 01:18 PM
chicago... just cause anyone can win east...
west will be LA or Sa For At least 2 more years
i see bulls getting to finals soon maybe like next year if they could make a good playoff run this year

Agree x2

tangent12
02-08-2011, 01:21 PM
Bulls by far... it's not even close.

Out of those 79 votes for the Thunder.. 3 were by the only 3 thunder fans in this forum and the rest 76 were by Heat fans. We ALL know the Bulls are an elite team.

pebloemer
02-08-2011, 01:26 PM
The Thunder has the financial flexibility with their roster right now to add a huge piece this off-season. That alone could make them closer to being elite.

I think the Bulls are a better team today, but the Thunder will be a better team tomorrow. So who is closer? Bulls may be closer, but I think OKC will get there faster.