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Bos_Sports4Life
02-02-2011, 07:29 PM
Ok, move this if you want, but why isn't this guy in ANYONES top 10, or even honerable mention??

- 10x 1st team all nba

- 7x in the top 5 in award shares

- Top 5 in ppg 8x

- top 5 in assists per game 6x

-top 10 in rebounds 8x

Now, I understand he doesnt have much longevity (846 games.) while only playing 65+ games 10 times.

- He also i don't believe ever won a ring where he was still in his prime. But It doesn't seem to be becaus of him...


1959-1960 playoffs (9 games) 33.4 pts (TS% of .547) ,14.1 rebounds, 3.4 assists,

1960-1961 playoffs (12 games) 38.1 pts(TS% of .538) , 15.3 rebounds, 4.6 assists

1961-1962 playoffs (13 games) 38.6 points (TS% of .503), 17.7 Rebounds, 3.6 assists

1962-1963 playoffs (13 games) 32.6 points (TS% of .503), 13.3 rebounds, 4.5 assists

Now, obviously The game has adjusted, slower paced, less stats but still...those are very impressive numbers...

asandhu23
02-02-2011, 07:44 PM
because Elgin never really had media coverage. Not many fans know who he is and very few people have ever seen his highlights. Same goes for great players like Nate Thurmond, Bob Lanier, David Thompson or Artis Gilmore. Hardcore NBA fans know who they are but average fan or even some more than average don't know who they are.

llemon
02-02-2011, 08:02 PM
because Elgin never really had media coverage. Not many fans know who he is and very few people have ever seen his highlights. Same goes for great players like Nate Thurmond, Bob Lanier, David Thompson or Artis Gilmore. Hardcore NBA fans know who they are but average fan or even some more than average don't know who they are.

Let me address each player you mentioned.

Elgin. An incredible player with incredible skills. But top 10 is difficult, as it took his retirement to get LA Lakers a Title, and some nice PFs have come along since him. Pettit's name comes up more often because he won a Title, even though it was because Russell got injured in the Finals.

Same with Nate. Great player, but for a bigman, just a horrible FG%. And again, it took GS trading him (for Clifford Ray) to get Warriors a Title.

Just too many Centers ahead of Bob (Big Bobo) Lanier.

Thompson was truly remarkable, but career was cut short.

Gilmore had all his great stats in the ABA, where he was really the ONLY big dominant Center, and still only managed one Title (and that was thanks to Kevin Loughery). In the NBA, just too many Centers ahead of him.

abe_froman
02-02-2011, 08:09 PM
because he's an empty stat sheet ,he filled it up but a career loser ,cared more about that than winning.

judging players on blind stats doesnt work as well in basketball as it does in other sports like baseball

Bos_Sports4Life
02-02-2011, 08:13 PM
Let me address each player you mentioned.

Elgin. An incredible player with incredible skills. But top 10 is difficult, as it took his retirement to get LA Lakers a Title, and some nice PFs have come along since him. Pettit's name comes up more often because he won a Title, even though it was because Russell got injured in the Finals.

Same with Nate. Great player, but for a bigman, just a horrible FG%. And again, it took GS trading him (for Clifford Ray) to get Warriors a Title.

Just too many Centers ahead of Bob (Big Bobo) Lanier.

Thompson was truly remarkable, but career was cut short.

Gilmore had all his great stats in the ABA, where he was really the ONLY big dominant Center, and still only managed one Title (and that was thanks to Kevin Loughery). In the NBA, just too many Centers ahead of him.

1 player cant win a championship though. If it wasn't for the 1960's celtics who had the biggest dynasty in sports history, Baylor would of had several rings. I know im using what if's, but the point is, Winning titles is sometimes circumstantial. Baylors numbers in the playoffs were beastly, and thats really the only thing he could of controlled. Hes 10x 1st team....how many players have done that??

Chronz
02-02-2011, 08:34 PM
Ive read and heard alot about the lack of proper rehab/medical techniques, lack of equipment available to the league and even poor stadium floor contributing to his short lived reign as a high flyer. By the time he had the support necessary to win a title he didnt have the skillset necessary to mesh with Wilt.

Look up his stats during some of their playoff runs with Wilt and West and you see a guy who just didnt do his part. A circumstance of his era and some what his own doing. Hes not top 10 but top 20-25 isnt a bad consolation

Bos_Sports4Life
02-02-2011, 09:27 PM
Ive read and heard alot about the lack of proper rehab/medical techniques, lack of equipment available to the league and even poor stadium floor contributing to his short lived reign as a high flyer. By the time he had the support necessary to win a title he didnt have the skillset necessary to mesh with Wilt.

Look up his stats during some of their playoff runs with Wilt and West and you see a guy who just didnt do his part. A circumstance of his era and some what his own doing. Hes not top 10 but top 20-25 isnt a bad consolation

If your 10x 1st team though, Also placed top 10 in points, rebounds, assists all the time ect. How many guys have been 10x 1st team? Thats a Huge accomplishment..

Chacarron
02-02-2011, 09:33 PM
What sucks is that the Lakers won a championship the season after Elgin retired.

Chronz
02-02-2011, 09:42 PM
If your 10x 1st team though, Also placed top 10 in points, rebounds, assists all the time ect. How many guys have been 10x 1st team? Thats a Huge accomplishment..

An accomplishment worthy of being in the top25


What sucks is that the Lakers won a championship the season after Elgin retired.

The minute he left the team they set the record for most consecutive wins, if that sucks who does it suck for and what does it say of them?

SirDJ
02-02-2011, 09:54 PM
top 10 nah.. not even close.. top 30? probly

stats were impressive, but no championship and different style of play