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Sadds The Gr8
02-01-2011, 12:49 AM
I'm sorry but his rebounding numbers are a ****in joke for a 7 footer. 5.6 rebounds per, with a pathetic rebounding percentage of 9.2%.

Phenomenonsense
02-01-2011, 12:51 AM
He and brook lopez like to fight for that title.

AI
02-01-2011, 12:51 AM
Brook Lopez is certainly giving him a challenge this year :)

flclfanman
02-01-2011, 12:53 AM
It's probably his medical condition

I hear he's ACTUALLY allergic to rebounds and hustle plays.

NYtilIdie
02-01-2011, 01:04 AM
Brook Lopez is giving him a run for his money.

dhopisthename
02-01-2011, 01:05 AM
I think everyone beat me to brook lopez, who per 36 only gets 5.7 vs bargs 5.6. Although what is amazing is that the nets only have one player who does better while the raptors have 9

Chronz
02-01-2011, 01:09 AM
Ever hear the name Brad Sellers?

PrettyBoyJ
02-01-2011, 01:09 AM
Landry Fields avg. more rpg then both of them which is sad cuz he's a guard

mttwlsn16
02-01-2011, 01:15 AM
idk what the numbers are but brook lopez is pretty bad too

Geargo Wallace
02-01-2011, 01:16 AM
Its funny how a shorter, less lanky, less athletic, and less mobile, player (Kevin Love) can average 3X as many rebounds as Bargs.

uptownfan
02-01-2011, 01:21 AM
It's gotta be Bargnani. Lopez has been awful this year in that category, but at least he snagged an OK amount of rebounds his rookie year and last season.

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 01:21 AM
Thus far this season Brook is ranked 798th all time among 7 footers in terms of TRB% of 10.0

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1947&year_max=2011&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_pct&order_by_asc=&offset=700

in the 810th place all time we have Andrea Bargnani with his TRB% of 9.2

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1947&year_max=2011&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_pct&order_by_asc=&offset=800

But that title of worst rebounder of all time will have to go to none other than the 7 foot softy Brad Sellers. He was absolutely atrocious on the glass in 87-88 for the Bulls. I mean how in the hell could be be a 7 foot starter averaging 27 mpg starting 76 of the 82 games you played in and only average 3 rebounds per game? Allen Iverson was a better career rebounder than him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sellebr01.html

Chronz
02-01-2011, 01:24 AM
Thus far this season Brook is ranked 798th all time among 7 footers in terms of TRB% of 10.0

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1947&year_max=2011&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_pct&order_by_asc=&offset=700

in the 810th place all time we have Andrea Bargnani with his TRB% of 9.2

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1947&year_max=2011&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_pct&order_by_asc=&offset=800

But that title of worst rebounder of all time will have to go to none other than the 7 foot softy Brad Sellers. He was absolutely atrocious on the glass in 87-88 for the Bulls. I mean how in the hell could be be a 7 foot starter averaging 27 mpg starting 76 of the 82 games you played in and only average 3 rebounds per game? Allen Iverson was a better career rebounder than him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sellebr01.html
I think this is the first post of yours Ive ever read and came away thinking you knew the game. Too bad it came on the subject of rebounding.

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 01:28 AM
I think this is the first post of yours Ive ever read and came away thinking you knew the game. Too bad it came on the subject of rebounding.

What the hell?

Dude I know the game we just disagree on a lot of stuff but I am an extremely consistent logical poster. :confused:

John Walls Era
02-01-2011, 01:34 AM
Yes hes terrible. I watched Yi tonight and that guy's hustle, defense and rebounding = 100 times better than Bargnani. I just cry when I see opposing big men post up on Andrea; example: Roy Hibbert tonight posted up and Andrea Bargnani refused to have upperbody contact with him. We all know what happened, as Roy did the spin to the baseline and got an AND1.

I'm getting sick of it, especially when he isn't offering anything for the Raptors on offense. :mad:

Crackadalic
02-01-2011, 01:34 AM
Its all about instinct and knowing where the ball goes. Doesnt matter if you are 7 feet if you dont have good rebounding instincts your never gonna be a good rebounder. Look at Fields he is averaging more then 7 boards a game because he has good rebounding insticts

Hell even melo a sf is getting 8 boards a game. Even if they dont have a good sense on how to rebound just wanted to rebound should have let them get at least 7 boards a game but sadly thats not the case

John Walls Era
02-01-2011, 01:34 AM
Hes getting up there too as worst post defender! Or is he there already?

Chronz
02-01-2011, 01:34 AM
What the hell?

Dude I know the game we just disagree on a lot of stuff but I am an extremely consistent logical poster. :confused:

Maybe, I confuse the AI fanboys alot. Ill keep a close eye on you, the next 50 posts you make Ill be there to refute.

Geargo Wallace
02-01-2011, 01:35 AM
Chronz is a meanie!

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 01:38 AM
Maybe, I confuse the AI fanboys alot. Ill keep a close eye on you, the next 50 posts you make Ill be there to refute.

:box::cheers:

Raph12
02-01-2011, 01:39 AM
Yeah he's pretty horrible...

Joshtd1
02-01-2011, 01:39 AM
I think this is the first post of yours Ive ever read and came away thinking you knew the game. Too bad it came on the subject of rebounding.

You better have came away thinking I know the game after reading my posts Chronz.

Gibby
02-01-2011, 02:10 AM
i hate everything about bargnani and his stupid face. I cant believe there are some people in the raptors who thought he was an all star and they also think he can be a 1st option on a good team.

Thank you for making this thread it makes feel better after getting a chance to vent.

HoopsDrive
02-01-2011, 02:10 AM
Sometimes he doesn't even jump. He's either lazy, unaware or lacks instincts. Probably all of them.

A Pacers player missed a FT, the ball went Bargnani's way and the dude almost got rebound-pocketed by McRoberts. It was pathetic. There was not even an effort to grab the ball, I think he assumes he'll get it by default or that no one will try and get it away from him.

Gibby
02-01-2011, 02:16 AM
Brook Lopez lack athleticism but Bargnani lacks passion

BlondeBomber41
02-01-2011, 02:22 AM
You better have came away thinking I know the game after reading my posts Chronz.

Who gives a **** what Chronz thinks really? He always comes across as thinking he knows more than everyone else because he has spent some time studying some stupid advanced stats that nobody cares about but him and a bunch of internet stat geeks who live in their parents basement.

John Walls Era
02-01-2011, 02:40 AM
Sometimes he doesn't even jump. He's either lazy, unaware or lacks instincts. Probably all of them.

A Pacers player missed a FT, the ball went Bargnani's way and the dude almost got rebound-pocketed by McRoberts. It was pathetic. There was not even an effort to grab the ball, I think he assumes he'll get it by default or that no one will try and get it away from him.

I don't even mind that. I mind that most of the time he doesn't even BOX OUT! I swear any scrub bball player on this site (sorry everyone is a scrub compare to NBA players) can out rebound him in one of those 1v1 rebounding drills.

Chronz
02-01-2011, 03:30 AM
You better have came away thinking I know the game after reading my posts Chronz.

Yea but being brought up a Spurs fan is an unfair advantage, its like hitting the genetic lottery, your born into knowledge. Im more impressed with a knowledgeable Knicks/Lakers fan than I am a knowledgeable Spurs fan.


Who gives a **** what Chronz thinks really? He always comes across as thinking he knows more than everyone else because he has spent some time studying some stupid advanced stats that nobody cares about but him and a bunch of internet stat geeks who live in their parents basement.
When it comes to Mavs fans, I know Im smarter than yall. Ive owned you guys in debates since the dawn of time

Gibby
02-01-2011, 04:01 AM
Yea but being brought up a Spurs fan is an unfair advantage, its like hitting the genetic lottery, your born into knowledge. Im more impressed with a knowledgeable Knicks/Lakers fan than I am a knowledgeable Spurs fan.


When it comes to Mavs fans, I know Im smarter than yall. Ive owned you guys in debates since the dawn of time

Your Internet ego is through the roof.

Chronz
02-01-2011, 04:12 AM
Your Internet ego is through the roof.

Its mostly the absinthe talking but Ive decided to take these accusations to the extreme, consequences be damned

FOBolous
02-01-2011, 04:18 AM
What the hell?

Dude I know the game we just disagree on a lot of stuff but I am an extremely consistent logical poster. :confused:

ignore him. chron has a big ego and thinks whoever doesn't agree with him is automatically stupid.

Chronz
02-01-2011, 04:21 AM
ignore him. chron has a big ego and thinks whoever doesn't agree with him is automatically stupid.

Not everyone but especially you

statquo
02-01-2011, 04:23 AM
It's probably his medical condition

I hear he's ACTUALLY allergic to rebounds and hustle plays.

lol :laugh:

LTBaByyy
02-01-2011, 05:05 AM
I'll agree with that one... I thought I was the only one who thought this guy was a loser... guess I have company.

... maybe that should be a thread. What do you think of Chronz? Lol.

+1

I thought I was the only one lol

dominater6192
02-01-2011, 05:11 AM
Landry Fields avg. more rpg then both of them which is sad cuz he's a guard
yeah butt he is comepeting with who? amare and galinari? good joke

MaHaRaJaH
02-01-2011, 05:17 AM
I find your lack of faith disturbing, saddler.

arkanian215
02-01-2011, 05:50 AM
Yes hes terrible. I watched Yi tonight and that guy's hustle, defense and rebounding = 100 times better than Bargnani. I just cry when I see opposing big men post up on Andrea; example: Roy Hibbert tonight posted up and Andrea Bargnani refused to have upperbody contact with him. We all know what happened, as Roy did the spin to the baseline and got an AND1.

I'm getting sick of it, especially when he isn't offering anything for the Raptors on offense. :mad:

lol really? SoftYi?

YoungOne
02-01-2011, 07:38 AM
atleast brook lopez is blocking out wich I havent seen from bargnani

Flash3
02-01-2011, 09:23 AM
Landry Fields avg. more rpg then both of them which is sad cuz he's a guard

averages more than gallo to :shrug: and he's almost 7 foot

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 09:44 AM
Ever hear the name Brad Sellers?

wow, been a while.

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 09:45 AM
Ever hear the name Brad Sellers?

John Amaechi?

WizFan3
02-01-2011, 09:46 AM
lopez is the worst

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 09:47 AM
ignore him. chron has a big ego and thinks whoever doesn't agree with him is automatically stupid.

I don't agree with him sometimes. Am I an idiot?

Mile High Champ
02-01-2011, 09:59 AM
Some serious hate going on in this thread. Bargnani is a very bad rebounder but the worst all time, I think not.

goose15
02-01-2011, 10:05 AM
what do you expect from a 7 ft shooting guard?? :eyebrow:

Mplsman
02-01-2011, 10:06 AM
He is quite bad at rebounding, yes.

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 10:17 AM
John Amaechi?

Well I think now we all know the real reason he enjoyed being boxed out. :hide:

But seriously he still as bad as Sellers was though. I mean how in the hell does a 7 footer pull down only 3 boards a game when starting 90% of the time and playing 27+ minutes per. That in itself is beyond me.

I mean not only is he ranked dead last in TRB% for a single season he's also ranked dead last among 7 footers in terms of Rebouds per 48 mins with 5.2. Simply put that is ATROCIOUS!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=per_minute&per_minute_base=48&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1947&year_max=2011&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_per_mp&order_by_asc=&offset=800

as a matter of a fact the last 3 spots all time belongs to him. Career wise he's clearly the worst rebounder of all time. Allen Iverson who's more than a foot shorter than him was a better rebounder than him.

JayTee1981
02-01-2011, 10:21 AM
Who gives a **** what Chronz thinks really? He always comes across as thinking he knows more than everyone else because he has spent some time studying some stupid advanced stats that nobody cares about but him and a bunch of internet stat geeks who live in their parents basement.
Tell'em Blondie

TO to the CHI
02-01-2011, 10:27 AM
I'm getting sick of it, especially when he isn't offering anything for the Raptors on offense. :mad:

Why don't you just shift your focus to one of your other NBA teams?

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 10:33 AM
Who gives a **** what Chronz thinks really? He always comes across as thinking he knows more than everyone else because he has spent some time studying some stupid advanced stats that nobody cares about but him and a bunch of internet stat geeks who live in their parents basement.

I would think watching basketball for the last 45 years has helped his knowledge as well :dance2:

Mile High Champ
02-01-2011, 10:35 AM
I would think watching basketball for the last 45 years has helped his knowledge as well :dance2:

I agree but the way he carries himself clearly upsets quite a few people..

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 10:39 AM
I agree but the way he carries himself clearly upsets quite a few people..

oh his arrogance gets him in trouble for sure. But if he is in that mood, I just avoid him like he is on the rag. But he is the most knowledgeable fan on this site imo. Nobody has to agree with me, don't really care.

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 10:49 AM
oh his arrogance gets him in trouble for sure. But if he is in that mood, I just avoid him like he is on the rag. But he is the most knowledgeable fan on this site imo. Nobody has to agree with me, don't really care.

I will surely agree with that.

He's arrogant about it though.

Mile High Champ
02-01-2011, 10:55 AM
oh his arrogance gets him in trouble for sure. But if he is in that mood, I just avoid him like he is on the rag. But he is the most knowledgeable fan on this site imo. Nobody has to agree with me, don't really care.

Yup I would agree with you.

valade16
02-01-2011, 11:13 AM
I agree but the way he carries himself clearly upsets quite a few people..

And what a thing to be arrogant about too lol. Is he gonna put his psd accomplishments on his tombstone?

John Walls Era
02-01-2011, 11:15 AM
lol really? SoftYi?

Yup. Yi's D and rebounding got better. He went to some camp this summer. Also he boxes out at least.

goose15
02-01-2011, 11:16 AM
John Amaechi?

:hi5:

John Walls Era
02-01-2011, 11:19 AM
Why don't you just shift your focus to one of your other NBA teams?

I only follow the raps cuz i live in canada. I wish i can just get othergames on hd

HoopsDrive
02-01-2011, 11:21 AM
I don't even mind that. I mind that most of the time he doesn't even BOX OUT! I swear any scrub bball player on this site (sorry everyone is a scrub compare to NBA players) can out rebound him in one of those 1v1 rebounding drills.

I don't think he has learned what that means yet. He's terrible.

Weezy
02-01-2011, 11:22 AM
Yea its pretty bad but he can always improve on it. He might not have the instincts but he can always get better since he is quite young.

Chi StateOfMind
02-01-2011, 11:33 AM
i thought it was Brook Lopez but i guess i never watched Toronto i mean who does

Weezy
02-01-2011, 11:34 AM
i thought it was Brook Lopez but i guess i never watched Toronto i mean who does

Is it really necessary?

aman_13
02-01-2011, 11:45 AM
i thought it was Brook Lopez but i guess i never watched Toronto i mean who does

It must feel nice that your team is finally relevent again since Jordan.

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 11:50 AM
It must feel nice that your team is finally relevent again since Jordan.

Same thing I was thinking.

Sandman
02-01-2011, 12:12 PM
I think Yao was pretty pathetic for his size. He tickled double digit rebounds his entire career when he should have been among the leaders. He was aggravating to watch. He'd be trying to box out the center and let his teammates fight for the boards. How do you not even jump up there or put your hands up? YOURE 7'6" you dont use your body to take another body out of the play you get the frick in there.

Think about it. You think "Whatever, a seven footer is a seven footer". Yao, at 7'6", has the same height advantage over Dwight Howard (6'11"), that Dwight Howard has over Dwyane Wade (6'4").

John Walls Era
02-01-2011, 12:17 PM
I think Yao was pretty pathetic for his size. He tickled double digit rebounds his entire career when he should have been among the leaders. He was aggravating to watch. He'd be trying to box out the center and let his teammates fight for the boards. How do you not even jump up there or put your hands up? YOURE 7'6" you dont use your body to take another body out of the play you get the frick in there.

Think about it. You think "Whatever, a seven footer is a seven footer". Yao, at 7'6", has the same height advantage over Dwight Howard (6'11"), that Dwight Howard has over Dwyane Wade (6'4").

Thats wayy more important than just getting a rebound. Constantly blocking out is more important than jumping for a rebound.

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 12:17 PM
Thats wayy more important than just getting a rebound. Constantly blocking out is more important than jumping for a rebound.

Kevin Love comes to mind.

Stunner
02-01-2011, 12:18 PM
Brook Lopez smh

Dol-Fan
02-01-2011, 12:19 PM
997. Nikoloz Tskitishvili
998. Brook Lopez
999. Andrea Bargnani
1000. Brad Sellers

There's your fab 4.

AddiX
02-01-2011, 12:21 PM
Danilo would give Bargs a good run for his money for worst rebounder. 6'10 and never attacks the boards in traffic. It's a joke watching him just stand around while Amare is fighting 2-3 guys for a rebound.

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 12:26 PM
997. Nikoloz Tskitishvili
998. Brook Lopez
999. Andrea Bargnani
1000. Brad Sellers

There's your fab 4.

There is no way in hell Brook and Bargnani are that low. You must be out of your mind if you honestly believe that.

KnicksorBust
02-01-2011, 12:27 PM
Thats wayy more important than just getting a rebound. Constantly blocking out is more important than jumping for a rebound.

Without a doubt, as coach we teach all 5 to box out and our guards get a lot of rebounds. I would never yell at a player for locating and boxing out instead of just diving to the rim. You expand the area of the court where your team will get the ball by doing that.

Dol-Fan
02-01-2011, 12:31 PM
There is no way in hell Brook and Bargnani are that low. You must be out of your mind if you honestly believe that.

Using the numbers 997-1000 was a joke to underscore how truly pathetic they both are at rebounding, not true ranking :laugh: you're out of your mind if you think I've actually ranked the career rebounding numbers of 1000 big men. They are nowhere near Sellers, but actually very close to Tskit in terms of TRB%. No other scrubs came to mind to include.

Sandman
02-01-2011, 12:33 PM
Thats wayy more important than just getting a rebound. Constantly blocking out is more important than jumping for a rebound.

I understand that, but Yao spent more time watching than he did on the boards.

John Walls Era
02-01-2011, 12:35 PM
Danilo would give Bargs a good run for his money for worst rebounder. 6'10 and never attacks the boards in traffic. It's a joke watching him just stand around while Amare is fighting 2-3 guys for a rebound.

But he plays C.... Which is why hes irritating to watch

WizFan3
02-01-2011, 12:37 PM
LOPEZ smh

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 12:47 PM
Using the numbers 997-1000 was a joke to underscore how truly pathetic they both are at rebounding, not true ranking :laugh: you're out of your mind if you think I've actually ranked the career rebounding numbers of 1000 big men. They are nowhere near Sellers, but actually very close to Tskit in terms of TRB%. No other scrubs came to mind to include.

I didn't mean the rankings per se what I mean was the fact that you thought they are worst than guys like Clifford Robinson, Matt Bullard :facepalm:, Steve Novak (6'10 and grabbing 1.8 rebounds per game in over 16 mins per game with the all time worst TRB% for any player 6'10+), John Ameichi, Jason Collins, James Edwards and Jake are all worst rebounders.

At least Bargnani has the excuse (not really a legitimate one) that he's a perimeter player on offense and may not have as much opportunities to grab offensive boards. What are some of those other guys excuses?

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 12:54 PM
I think Yao was pretty pathetic for his size. He tickled double digit rebounds his entire career when he should have been among the leaders. He was aggravating to watch. He'd be trying to box out the center and let his teammates fight for the boards. How do you not even jump up there or put your hands up? YOURE 7'6" you dont use your body to take another body out of the play you get the frick in there.

Think about it. You think "Whatever, a seven footer is a seven footer". Yao, at 7'6", has the same height advantage over Dwight Howard (6'11"), that Dwight Howard has over Dwyane Wade (6'4").

Of all the players in league history 7'5 and taller Yao has the 2nd highest career TRB%, so before mentioning him you'd have no choice but to include Manute Bol and Shawn Bradley. They were god awful, especially Bol. He gambled a lot more on blocks though so it is somewhat understandable why he doesn't have great numbers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1947&year_max=2011&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=89&height_max=91&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=10&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_pct

Dol-Fan
02-01-2011, 12:58 PM
I didn't mean the rankings per se what I mean was the fact that you thought they are worst than guys like Clifford Robinson, Matt Bullard :facepalm:, Steve Novak (6'10 and grabbing 1.8 rebounds per game in over 16 mins per game with the all time worst TRB% for any player 6'10+), John Ameichi, Jason Collins, James Edwards and Jake are all worst rebounders.

At least Bargnani has the excuse (not really a legitimate one) that he's a perimeter player on offense and may not have as much opportunities to grab offensive boards. What are some of those other guys excuses?

I didn't think of Robinson because of his reputation as a decent defender. True though, he belongs in the same category as Bargs and Lopez. I'd argue that Edwards was a better rebounder than the guys I mentioned until the end of his career. As for the others, refer to the last sentence of my previous post. I just couldn't remember enough scrubs to include, and wouldn't have even remembered Sellers if it weren't for his mention on the first page. The problem with Lopez/Bargnani is that they are focal points of the offense that are coddled along even through their pathetic rebounding, which makes it stand out a heck of a lot more than any of the other guys you mentioned (outside of maybe Robinson)

GeekInThePink
02-01-2011, 01:02 PM
I don't think he is lol

GeekInThePink
02-01-2011, 01:03 PM
Homer perspective,

No, not of all time and it isn't even close. He just needs to put his mind to rebounding, he sometimes is a bit lazy. He's super athletic so I'm sure if he wanted to he could average 8, it just whether he wants to or not it seems.

Dol-Fan
02-01-2011, 01:05 PM
Homer perspective,

No, not of all time and it isn't even close. He just needs to put his mind to rebounding, he sometimes is a bit lazy. He's super athletic so I'm sure if he wanted to he could average 8, it just whether he wants to or not it seems.

Statistically, it actually is pretty close...depends on what your requirements for inclusion are.

Swashcuff
02-01-2011, 01:21 PM
Statistically, it actually is pretty close...depends on what your requirements for inclusion are.

It is but the gap between him an a few others is so large that he is safe.

dtmagnet
02-01-2011, 05:21 PM
Its mostly the absinthe talking but Ive decided to take these accusations to the extreme, consequences be damned

Are you a pro-scout or something with a lot of free time, or do you just love basketball and more specifically stats?

nightBULL
02-01-2011, 05:52 PM
The Nets and Raptors have no rebounds to grab. They let opposing offenses score everything they put up.

Eagles4Lyfe
02-01-2011, 06:12 PM
Who gives a **** what Chronz thinks really? He always comes across as thinking he knows more than everyone else because he has spent some time studying some stupid advanced stats that nobody cares about but him and a bunch of internet stat geeks who live in their parents basement.
I don't..I never even heard of this guy until this thread where he's obviously getting a lot of fan mail..But if he's really arrogant then why not just choose to ignore him??

Why don't you just shift your focus to one of your other NBA teams?
Ouch hahaha we always locate one everywhere

oh his arrogance gets him in trouble for sure. But if he is in that mood, I just avoid him like he is on the rag. But he is the most knowledgeable fan on this site imo. Nobody has to agree with me, don't really care.
No he isn't, you should venture out and read other guys then i can name a few people who would make him look like a second grader easily..But really what does he show that other posters dont show?? Pretty dumb thing to say IMO..

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 06:23 PM
No he isn't, you should venture out and read other guys then i can name a few people who would make him look like a second grader easily..But really what does he show that other posters dont show?? Pretty dumb thing to say IMO..

in the PSD NBA forums? Go for it, I would like to see your list of those who would dominate Chronz in a rational basketball conversation.

Eagles4Lyfe
02-01-2011, 06:34 PM
in the PSD NBA forums? Go for it, I would like to see your list of those who would dominate Chronz in a rational basketball conversation.

Just go look in each forum, in the raptors forum there are a few guys who really know their crap and bring amazing arguments and provide proper and legit stats..
There's also a couple guys in the nba forum who provide stats each team a thread is started about someone, such as per stats and what not..I don't know the basketball advanced stats that much but I've seen many guys using it who catch my eyes and when i read their other posts its really insightful.
There's a couple in this thread doing the same thing..
Dol-Fan up above is a good example of someone who does this from thsi thread..Ofc theres many more and if you really want a list i can give you but i don't think it's fair singling guys out

MrfadeawayJB
02-01-2011, 06:41 PM
eaglesbaby4lyfe has a funny sig

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 06:42 PM
Just go look in each forum, in the raptors forum there are a few guys who really know their crap and bring amazing arguments and provide proper and legit stats..
There's also a couple guys in the nba forum who provide stats each team a thread is started about someone, such as per stats and what not..I don't know the basketball advanced stats that much but I've seen many guys using it who catch my eyes and when i read their other posts its really insightful.
There's a couple in this thread doing the same thing..
Dol-Fan up above is a good example of someone who does this from thsi thread..Ofc theres many more and if you really want a list i can give you but i don't think it's fair singling guys out

I have been in each forum. I have been all over the NBA forums for two years. I personally consider a handful of guys to be great posters, and Chronz is one of them in regards to knowledge of the game.
I could care less about per game stats, THAT is 2nd grade level my friend.
Dol-Fan is indeed a good poster. So are TreDigs, Manram, Chisox, Arkanian, DenButsu, deleja24, a handful of others, and most definately Chronz.

He can be arrogant, but if you get over being offended, read the context.

DwayneMVPwade
02-01-2011, 06:42 PM
for his postion, yes. He also one of the worst defenders for his postion too.

Eagles4Lyfe
02-01-2011, 06:52 PM
I have been in each forum. I have been all over the NBA forums for two years. I personally consider a handful of guys to be great posters, and Chronz is one of them in regards to knowledge of the game.
I could care less about per game stats, THAT is 2nd grade level my friend.
Dol-Fan is indeed a good poster. So are TreDigs, Manram, Chisox, Arkanian, DenButsu, deleja24, a handful of others, and most definately Chronz.

He can be arrogant, but if you get over being offended, read the context.

Huh i don't even mind either if he's arrogant or not it just bother's some people and i don't know why. Again i don't know much about advanced stats but those are beyond the regular stats a regular fan wouldn't pay attention to so they are technically considered "advanced"....
Secondly you said he was the most knowledgeable poster and i just said he wasn't so thanks for proving my case:D

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 06:57 PM
Huh i don't even mind either if he's arrogant or not it just bother's some people and i don't know why. Again i don't know much about advanced stats but those are beyond the regular stats a regular fan wouldn't pay attention to so they are technically considered "advanced"....
Secondly you said he was the most knowledgeable poster and i just said he wasn't so thanks for proving my case:D

you said there were posters here who could make him sound like a 2nd grader. Not possible.
If you choose not to pay attention to advanced stats, you will continue living in the dark if you base a single portion of a evaluation on a player's numbers.

You are entitled to your opinion here. I can remember a thread a while back about who the most knowledgeable posters in the NBA forums were, and he was in 90% of the responses. So take it with a grain of salt, but you are in the minority regarding your opinion here.

Eagles4Lyfe
02-01-2011, 07:02 PM
you said there were posters here who could make him sound like a 2nd grader. Not possible.
If you choose not to pay attention to advanced stats, you will continue living in the dark if you base a single portion of a evaluation on a player's numbers.

You are entitled to your opinion here. I can remember a thread a while back about who the most knowledgeable posters in the NBA forums were, and he was in 90% of the responses. So take it with a grain of salt, but you are in the minority regarding your opinion here.

It is possible how do you know its not?? Give them something to argue about and you'll be shocked..
I don't pay attention to adv stats in basketball because i don't know how to grasp and follow it yet..
Show me the thread because i've never seen it before and let's see what's popping and who the candidates were..
Im not in the minority clearly enough people in this forum don't share your feelings so if anything your in the minority of supporting him..

GodsSon
02-01-2011, 07:14 PM
Its mostly the absinthe talking but Ive decided to take these accusations to the extreme, consequences be damned

Haven't had absinthe in a while now...Hills?

Sactown
02-01-2011, 07:24 PM
I have been in each forum. I have been all over the NBA forums for two years. I personally consider a handful of guys to be great posters, and Chronz is one of them in regards to knowledge of the game.
I could care less about per game stats, THAT is 2nd grade level my friend.
Dol-Fan is indeed a good poster. So are TreDigs, Manram, Chisox, Arkanian, DenButsu, deleja24, a handful of others, and most definately Chronz.

He can be arrogant, but if you get over being offended, read the context.

Ya'll just hate the Kings.. that's why I'm not under the elite class..

blastmasta26
02-01-2011, 07:27 PM
Ya'll just hate the Kings.. that's why I'm not under the elite class..

:rolleyes:

smith&wesson
02-01-2011, 07:50 PM
if howard got ewing as a personal coach to work on his offense & bynam got kareem, why cant lopez & bargs get personel coaches to help them with theyre rebounding ? like rodman or someone who dominated the glass in theyre prime.

jimm120
02-01-2011, 07:55 PM
I'm sorry but his rebounding numbers are a ****in joke for a 7 footer. 5.6 rebounds per, with a pathetic rebounding percentage of 9.2%.

I think the 6'10" Danilo Gallinari should find his name somewhere in here.

He sucks so much at rebounding, that the coaches don't even dare put him at the PF position (where he should be). Then, he gets put at the SF position (against smaller guys) and still can't rebound...

nuggetsyankees
02-01-2011, 07:59 PM
Brook Lopez is worse which doesn't make sense cause he's a back to the basket player and is constantly in the post

colinskik
02-01-2011, 08:14 PM
Two words: Brook Lopez.

And guess whose got them both on his fantasy team. :facepalm:

blastmasta26
02-01-2011, 08:20 PM
I think the 6'10" Danilo Gallinari should find his name somewhere in here.

He sucks so much at rebounding, that the coaches don't even dare put him at the PF position (where he should be). Then, he gets put at the SF position (against smaller guys) and still can't rebound...
He's not a good rebounder, but he plays a lot on the perimeter which is why he doesn't get as many boards. Yes, he should be getting more, but he's not an inside player primarily.

Phenomenonsense
02-01-2011, 08:23 PM
Two words: Brook Lopez.

And guess whose got them both on his fantasy team. :facepalm:

Lol I got them both I believe. Bargnani was a late pick but I had hoped Lopez would turn into a double double machine.

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 08:35 PM
Ya'll just hate the Kings.. that's why I'm not under the elite class..

haha, dude, I even thought of you after I posted that. Your new playa, at least to me. But I like your posts dude.

Chronz
02-02-2011, 02:52 AM
Haven't had absinthe in a while now...Hills?
First time trying it, mata hari.

1hardcore
02-02-2011, 03:06 AM
Getting back to the topic ... Bargs is a ****** rebounder! When was the last time he did a stick back jam?????

raidersrock99
02-02-2011, 03:17 AM
you cant really say worst of all time, its hard to judge, because his career is not over.
- you especially cannot judge lopez yet

Davisayan
02-02-2011, 03:18 AM
Eddy Curry is the worst on my list

justinnum1
02-02-2011, 03:20 AM
joel anthony is pretty bad

Sadds The Gr8
02-02-2011, 03:33 AM
It must feel nice that your team is finally relevent again since Jordan.
took the words right outta my mouth.

oh his arrogance gets him in trouble for sure. But if he is in that mood, I just avoid him like he is on the rag. But he is the most knowledgeable fan on this site imo. Nobody has to agree with me, don't really care.

i'd agree with this