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DE9394
01-31-2011, 11:35 AM
Should Tmac get the most improved player of the year award? If not who do you think should? :rolleyes:

Hawkeye15
01-31-2011, 11:38 AM
absolutely not. I don't think a player who was considered a top 3 player at some point should EVER get a MIP award. If they had the MLB equivalent of, "Comeback Player of the Year" award, he could be a candidate for that. But no way he should get any consideration for MIP

AWC713
01-31-2011, 11:43 AM
absolutely not. I don't think a player who was considered a top 3 player at some point should EVER get a MIP award. If they had the MLB equivalent of, "Comeback Player of the Year" award, he could be a candidate for that. But no way he should get any consideration for MIP

this.

mcgrady's averaging like 7 a game.

dorrell wright comes to mind. kevin love, michael beasley. dude's averaged 21 and 6.

sep11ie
01-31-2011, 11:46 AM
absolutely not. I don't think a player who was considered a top 3 player at some point should EVER get a MIP award. If they had the MLB equivalent of, "Comeback Player of the Year" award, he could be a candidate for that. But no way he should get any consideration for MIP

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lvlheaded
01-31-2011, 11:47 AM
I dont think he should get it. However, I do think the Pistons should traade him to a team like LA, Boston, or Miami to give him a chance at getting a ring. I have always liked T-Mac and really hope he gets a ring before he retires.

DE9394
01-31-2011, 11:48 AM
but have you guys seen tmacs stats as of late? since he has been starting? its like 15 pts 5 rebs 5 assists when he get like 30 min

The_905
01-31-2011, 11:51 AM
OP, considering Mcgrady isn't anywhere near being in the MIP conversation I would love to hear why you think he should be.

Have you not heard of this guy from Minnesota named Kevin Love?

DE9394
01-31-2011, 11:52 AM
Im not saying he is, i was just wondering if he would get any love for playing alot better since starting, and the rest of my question asked who do you think should be the MIP. imo its KLove

mttwlsn16
01-31-2011, 11:52 AM
but have you guys seen tmacs stats as of late? since he has been starting? its like 15 pts 5 rebs 5 assists when he get like 30 min

kevin love, eric gordon, beasley, no way tmac should get it. hes having a good season and i love seeing him back and playing well, but like Hawk said, someone who was once a top 3 shouldnt be able to win the award

Scheck
01-31-2011, 12:03 PM
Im not saying he is, i was just wondering if he would get any love for playing alot better since starting, and the rest of my question asked who do you think should be the MIP. imo its KLove

It kinda sounds like you are saying he is... "If not who do you think should? :rolleyes:"

Anyway, I can't argue with Kevin Love or Eric Gordon, but don't forget about Nick Young :)

Swashcuff
01-31-2011, 12:04 PM
If a player was once a top 5 player in the league and due to whatever circumstances regressed significantly and is now an average season for a player at his position how could he be considered for MIP. If the league still had a comeback player of the year award he, along with Elton Brand and a couple others could be considered. But that's not the case.

He is not eligible for the MIP that award goes to players who have improved their performance better than any season they have ever had. Thus the term IMPROVED it doesn't just mean a retunr to form but an improvement on the whole. His name should not and would not be anywhere in the mix.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-31-2011, 12:18 PM
wow:speechless:

Not a chance, he was a top3 player before

farren.louis
01-31-2011, 12:33 PM
Im pretty sure t-mac doesnt want to win this award again!! lol i say give to derozan or love

JayTee1981
01-31-2011, 12:43 PM
absolutely not. I don't think a player who was considered a top 3 player at some point should EVER get a MIP award. If they had the MLB equivalent of, "Comeback Player of the Year" award, he could be a candidate for that. But no way he should get any consideration for MIP

Agree:clap:

Mile High Champ
01-31-2011, 12:43 PM
Not a chance. He has done little on a bad team. I am happy that he has shown flashes of being a good player once more but he has done nothing to really stick out this season. I think the MIP needs to be awarded to a younger player that has made that next big step in their own development.

Gram
01-31-2011, 12:56 PM
I'd love to see Nick Young get it. He was in the mix with Stuckey/Crittenton/Al Thornton/Bellinelli where those teams had to guess on who they thought may be alright. People knew that Eric Gordon and KLove had the capability to be monsters when they came into the league. Nick Young should be the one who gets it. He was a shot in the dark pretty much.

asandhu23
01-31-2011, 12:57 PM
Dorell Wright.

DwayneMVPwade
01-31-2011, 01:11 PM
lol NO!!! T-Mac not even close or even considered

Mile High Champ
01-31-2011, 01:12 PM
I think Wright is the obvious choice so far.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2011, 01:13 PM
I think Wright is the obvious choice so far.

over Love? Really?

Mile High Champ
01-31-2011, 01:30 PM
over Love? Really?

Yeah, To be honest I always viewed Love as a great player. I guess I am not surprised with his development this year but you are right, he certainly does fit the bill.. I change my choice to Kevin Love. :p

Lim
01-31-2011, 04:25 PM
LOL hell no wtf kind of thread is this?

Hawkeye15
01-31-2011, 04:27 PM
Yeah, To be honest I always viewed Love as a great player. I guess I am not surprised with his development this year but you are right, he certainly does fit the bill.. I change my choice to Kevin Love. :p

he fits because he not only made a huge jump in nearly every category, but he went from a guy who didn't start much to a deserved all star.

I am glad I could convince you haha

masalex1205
01-31-2011, 04:36 PM
no

eXpLiiCt
01-31-2011, 04:38 PM
Stop being dumb and saying he's only averagning 7, yes he is because before he played 10 min per game,

Now hes getting 30 min per game averaging 18 8 8

nwilder
01-31-2011, 04:38 PM
WTF?! Is this a serious question?

Dorrel Wright, Beasley, Love come to my mind. I would give it to Wright since he made probably the most unexpected improvement.

nickdymez
01-31-2011, 04:39 PM
I think beasly should get this.. He was wrote off as a bust and is having a pretty solid year in minnesota...

Bishnoff
01-31-2011, 04:53 PM
Should Tmac get the most improved player of the year award? If not who do you think should? :rolleyes:

No he shouldn't. Love is the best candidate for MIP in years.

Double_R
01-31-2011, 04:53 PM
I think it's nice to see a guy who has all the talent in the world start to regain some of his old form.

No MIP though... Like H15 said, you can't go from a top player to injured to injured to injured to decent and be considered for the award.

ManRam
01-31-2011, 04:59 PM
No. I love T-Mac, and I always will. He basically sacrificed his body to the point it ruined his career in Orlando on some very poor teams.

But he shouldn't even remotely be in the conversation. Even for those who say he's doing better lately; he really isn't. He'll have a good game here and there, but he is in no way consistent...and that's all in addition to what Hawkeye said, which I agree about. No one who was so high up, and that fell so far down should win this award.

dtmagnet
01-31-2011, 05:07 PM
Is there comeback player of the year in NBA? If so then that, but he hasn't improved since his prime so how could he win MIP.

Algmuskrats
01-31-2011, 05:18 PM
wow:speechless:

Not a chance, he was a top3 player before

Atleast explain...

Algmuskrats
01-31-2011, 05:18 PM
Is there comeback player of the year in NBA? If so then that, but he hasn't improved since his prime so how could he win MIP.

Thank you for using common sense.
I don't think there is a CPY in the NBA.

RZZZA
01-31-2011, 05:23 PM
I dont think he should get it. However, I do think the Pistons should traade him to a team like LA, Boston, or Miami to give him a chance at getting a ring. I have always liked T-Mac and really hope he gets a ring before he retires.

I'd want him on the Bulls...

but Bulls management thought different

Swashcuff
01-31-2011, 05:26 PM
Atleast explain...

There is no need to explain that the man is 100% right. You can't go from a top 3 player in the league to a role player and be considered as the most improved player. While the award takes the previous season into consideration it also means of how much a player has improved himself as a player as compared to any season previous in his career. You can't win the award after regressing as much as McGrady has.

Steelers23_06
01-31-2011, 05:36 PM
i dont think love should get it he has steadily been improving. look at his numbers from his rookie year its steadily gone up. but at the same time i dont think tmac should either he was a BEAST and he fell off ALOT and then came back to being not even of what he used to be. i think maybe amare should. his stats dont shout MIP but he has improved soooo much he went from someone who fed off a great point guard to being the leader of his team and second in the league in ppg. i could be wrong, maybe not him but i dont think love or tmac deserve it.

Geargo Wallace
01-31-2011, 05:39 PM
is there a most digressed award? I think he'd have to win that before getting a shot at most improved.

Steelers23_06
01-31-2011, 05:40 PM
or dorrell wright. he has improved to me i think he has stepped up MIP imo is someone who steps up alot not because they are young and they are growing into their potential like love...i think love is a top five pf in the league now but i dont think he is MIP.

yankkiller
01-31-2011, 05:40 PM
I dont think he should get it. However, I do think the Pistons should traade him to a team like LA, Boston, or Miami to give him a chance at getting a ring. I have always liked T-Mac and really hope he gets a ring before he retires.

agreed he should be traded to the celtics for there 1st rd pick, and marquis daniels

RZZZA
01-31-2011, 05:40 PM
digressed, lol. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Swashcuff
01-31-2011, 05:43 PM
i dont think love should get it he has steadily been improving. look at his numbers from his rookie year its steadily gone up. but at the same time i dont think tmac should either he was a BEAST and he fell off ALOT and then came back to being not even of what he used to be. i think maybe amare should. his stats dont shout MIP but he has improved soooo much he went from someone who fed off a great point guard to being the leader of his team and second in the league in ppg. i could be wrong, maybe not him but i dont think love or tmac deserve it.

Danny Granger is the first player in the history of the NBA to raise his scoring average by at least 5 points in the first for seasons of his career. He won the award in his 3rd season in the league.

Historically all the MIP winners #s improved with every season they have been in the league. Its only logical.

How could Amar'e get it when he is basically doing what he has done every season of his entire career. He's just doing it without Steve Nash but still is playing alongside a formidable PG in a high paced system which is ran through him.

Love deserves it more than anyone else.

ManningToTyree
01-31-2011, 05:43 PM
No way. Love, Beasley,Felton,Young and many more are superior candidates

fadedmario
01-31-2011, 05:43 PM
T-Mac has learned a new position (PG). Very impressive imo. Haters are gonna hate

Swashcuff
01-31-2011, 05:48 PM
or dorrell wright. he has improved to me i think he has stepped up MIP imo is someone who steps up alot not because they are young and they are growing into their potential like love...i think love is a top five pf in the league now but i dont think he is MIP.

Dude you have MIP all wrong. MIP almost exclusively goes to the younger players who are growing into their potential. In the last decade the award has gone to a player who was either in their 2nd, 3rd or 4th season in the league 8 out of 10 times. Hedo and JO were the exceptions to that.

ManRam
01-31-2011, 05:49 PM
T-Mac has learned a new position (PG). Very impressive imo. Haters are gonna hate

Look...it's not hate, it's being realistic. He doesn't deserve it. Period.

I love the guy to death. He's one of my favorite athletes ever, but he hasn't done enough to earn this yet. If he averages 20 points a game on 46% shooting the rest of the way, with a nice amount of assists and rebounds sprinkled in, then maybe, but as of now...he doesn't even deserve mention. Learning a new position is nice, but he isn't exclusively a PG, and it doesn't mean he doesn't have to have improved numbers.

For a former superstar to win it, he's going to have to do a hell of a lot more than average 8 points a game on 17 starts in the season.

Love, Gordon, Felton, Holiday, Augustin, Matthews, Aldridge, Westbrook etc. all have improved far more from not only last year, but from where they've ever been. T-Mac has improved marginally from last year, and if you want to compare him to where he's been before in his career, be my guest...

FadeAwayLikeMJ
01-31-2011, 05:58 PM
no way

he wouldnt be most improved if hes not even back at the level he was at before

heyman321
01-31-2011, 06:29 PM
Hello? Kevin Love.

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DeMar DeRozan - from 8 ppg to 15.5 ppg (still improving shooting 20 ppg January)

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Sactown
01-31-2011, 09:46 PM
Oh I see what Tmac is doing.. since he couldn't win an MVP award he figured he'd suck for a few years and come back and get an MIP.. he's not averaging 30 because he doesn't want anyone to catch on to his master plan :rolleyes:

sagemania
01-31-2011, 11:35 PM
Someone said comeback player and i agree.He started the seson slow, but he was looking for hiss legs. he is averaging 15-6-5 when he gets 25 or more minutes and 16 points 7 assists 7 boards in the last 5 games.Whats more impressive is he is shootngat career high 47%.

Crackadalic
02-01-2011, 12:10 AM
I wish there was a comeback player of the year award. Imagine Marbury AI Francis aiming for that award after all the stuff they went through

Chronz
02-01-2011, 01:15 AM
What again? WTF

effen5
02-01-2011, 02:34 AM
In b4 JB rubs his hand inside of Tmacs thigh.

BRICKCITYPIMP12
02-01-2011, 02:38 AM
i would have to agree... he was a beast then just fell off.. so yes he is playing better but thats still not an improvment.. hes still way below what he was.

effen5
02-01-2011, 02:42 AM
i would have to agree... he was a beast then just fell off.. so yes he is playing better but thats still not an improvment.. hes still way below what he was.

Dude, anything is an improvement when your not playing the previous year. Tmac bouncing a ball on the court without getting hurt right now is a dramatic improvement.

Hawkeye15
02-01-2011, 09:41 AM
I honestly think thru game 45, this is the easiest race to call in a long time. Love will clearly win this award. 14/11 player who doesn't start, to a 21/15.6/44%/88% possible all star who has been doing things not done since most the league was in daipers? Pretty much the definition.

pebloemer
02-01-2011, 09:45 AM
Comeback Player of the Year would be an interesting award to track each year. Although I'm curious how many candidates would be up for the award each year.

Mplsman
02-01-2011, 10:09 AM
Tmac is so far down the list for MIP, it's not even funny.

Sly Guy
02-01-2011, 03:37 PM
it's not improvement if you were already at the top of the heap and regressed.