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JordansBulls
01-28-2011, 05:52 PM
How would you rank the top 5 or even top 10 playoff performers in the 2000's?

Who was the best of the playoff performers?

GSW Hoops
01-28-2011, 05:58 PM
Had to go with Timmy D.

By the way, why is T-Mac even on this list?

kgjfan243
01-28-2011, 05:58 PM
I voted for Tim Duncan. What teams need most in the playoffs is consistency, and thats exactly what Duncan gives you. He has been a great offensive player and very solid defensively while being one of the best team players in the game.

Hustlenomics
01-28-2011, 05:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79WSHpMU894

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm5DvooBtoc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8-sk9vVzd4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2GdQA0fUyg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ-ZLK8Uslo

knicksfan42
01-28-2011, 05:59 PM
I voted Duncan.

Jonathan2323
01-28-2011, 06:01 PM
Dwyane Wade-greatest finals performace ever.

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 06:01 PM
this should only be between Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe

JordansBulls
01-28-2011, 06:02 PM
By the way, why is T-Mac even on this list?


He is like 5th all time in playoff PPG.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_per_g_career_p.html

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 06:03 PM
Dwyane Wade-greatest finals performace ever.

jordan averaged 41 ppg in the 1991 finals, shaq dominated in 2000 finals,..those two performances were better than wades+refs 06 finals.

GSW Hoops
01-28-2011, 06:05 PM
He is like 5th all time in playoff PPG.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_per_g_career_p.html

But he's never made it through the first-round...except when he was riding the bench.

Jonathan2323
01-28-2011, 06:06 PM
jordan averaged 41 ppg in the 1991 finals, shaq dominated in 2000 finals,..those two performances were better than wades+refs 06 finals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

Swashcuff
01-28-2011, 06:07 PM
Dwyane Wade-greatest finals performace ever.

That's a bit of a stretch there bro. He was GREAT, greatest ever??? Not so much.

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 06:08 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

wades was good, but 41 point average!!!!, cmon dude dont be a homer

GSW Hoops
01-28-2011, 06:08 PM
Dwyane Wade-greatest finals performace ever.

Probably greatest Finals performance in the 2000's, but ever?

tdunk21
01-28-2011, 06:10 PM
tim duncan
Kobe Bryant
Shaq O'neal

these 3 only deserve a mention coz their teams won most rings since 2000 to present...the rest were not so big performers in playoffs....

kgjfan243
01-28-2011, 06:10 PM
TMac hasnt even been past the first round, no way should he be on this list. To be honest, it should be between Duncan, Kobe, Shaq.

Jonathan2323
01-28-2011, 06:11 PM
wades was good, but 41 point average!!!!, cmon dude dont be a homer

Where do you see 41 PPG, I see 31.

Swashcuff
01-28-2011, 06:11 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

You do realize that he based his rankings on the players with the highest PER over the course of the finals in each particular year. That doesn't mean to say that he was indeed better than others. As great a stat as PER is it isn't the end all to all basketball conversations like Hollinger uses it to be.

PC
01-28-2011, 06:13 PM
Dwyane Wade-greatest finals performace ever.

I think you could make an argument for this. I don't think you would win but it's debatable.

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 06:15 PM
Where do you see 41 PPG, I see 31.

sorry i meant the 1993 nba finals

JayTee1981
01-28-2011, 06:22 PM
Tim Duncan and it's not even close

JayTee1981
01-28-2011, 06:23 PM
I would include Shaq and Kobe but Duncan has done more with less

JordansBulls
01-28-2011, 06:25 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

He based it on the circumstances the players were in. Heat were down 0-2 and down by 13 with 6 minutes left and thus he picked Wade's 1st.

For instance, there is no way in hell you could tell me that 1998 Jordan's finals was better than any finals from 1991-1993 of his.

GSwarriors4LIFE
01-28-2011, 06:26 PM
KOBE... Big part of the early 2000 lakers(3 rings), kept the lakers ok in the mid 2000's(memories) and leader of the late 2000 lakers(2 rings possibly 1 more).

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 06:27 PM
From 2000-2009:
1. Shaq (4 rings/ 3 finals mvp)
2. Kobe (4 rings/ 1 finals mvp)
3. Duncan (3 rings/ 2 finals mvp)

Jonathan2323
01-28-2011, 06:27 PM
I think you could make an argument for this. I don't think you would win but it's debatable.

Yeah its debatable like anything else, I should have said one of the greatest.

210Don
01-28-2011, 06:28 PM
TD Just Got The Job Done. while having some spectacular playoff performances & im sure hell add to it this year.

Rivera
01-28-2011, 06:33 PM
That's a bit of a stretch there bro. He was GREAT, greatest ever??? Not so much.

this is very debateable....IMO wade did put on the greatest finals performance ive seen...wades team was down 2-0 and he literaly put the team on his back to win that chip


wades was good, but 41 point average!!!!, cmon dude dont be a homer

if im not mistaking i believed he averaged 41 in games 3-6 cause thats when dwade really went off in that series

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 06:36 PM
if im not mistaking i believed he averaged 41 in games 3-6 cause thats when dwade really went off in that series

no, Michael Jordan averaged 41.0 ppg in 1993 Nba finals, which is the most ever...thats the best finals performance ever

StriveGreatness
01-28-2011, 06:42 PM
Chauncey Billups..

shep33
01-28-2011, 06:52 PM
Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe in really any order. The one thing I will say about Kobe, is that he did it against premier defenders. Whereas although Shaq and Timmy were dominant, they rarely played against quality bigs... especially Shaq. I mean his numbers were so ridiculous, i think part of that was due to him going up against guys like Todd McCallugh.

Kobe has had some monsterous performances... His stats against the Jazz, Nuggets, Suns in the playoffs are mind boggling. On top of that nobody remembers what Kobe did in the playoffs when he and Shaq were dominating. His most impressive series to me was against the Spurs in i think 2001.

D-Block21-Chito
01-28-2011, 06:55 PM
Kobe
Duncan
Shaq
D-wade

Lake_Show2416
01-28-2011, 06:58 PM
Kobe n Duncan

i would add Shaq too but his run was for only half the decade

NYMetros
01-28-2011, 07:04 PM
Kobe. He has the most rings this decade.

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 07:07 PM
wait are we talkin about last decade (2000-2009) or 2000-present?

NYMetros
01-28-2011, 07:12 PM
wait are we talkin about last decade (2000-2009) or 2000-present?

Didn't the decade end after 2010?

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 07:17 PM
idk..i thought 2009 was the last year of that decade

Kobes a Killer
01-28-2011, 07:29 PM
Kobe or Duncan hands downs no contest

DWade only had one great year, which doesnt compare at all to playing well consistantly for 10 years straight, Shaq only played well half the decade, TMac on the list is a joke, Carter? Iverson? Chris Paul? D Will? Ben Wallace? Ya those guys played well for like 3-4 post seasons at the most, why are they even in a poll that is talking about a decade? a decade is not 5 years it's 10

Mary*420*Jane
01-28-2011, 07:34 PM
A.I
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan

ATX
01-28-2011, 07:45 PM
I can see how it's sort of a confusing question. If we're talking best playoff performer during any given year in the 2000's than you have to go Wade. If we're talking best playoff performer over that decade, than you really have to take someone off either the Lakers or Spurs. Combined they dominated the decade, winning 7 of the 10 titles and 9 of the last 12. It could only be Kobe/Shaq or Duncan.

Duncan 3 MVPs
Shaq 3 MVPs
Kobe 2 MVP

Wade, Parker, and Billups each earning 1 MVP.

Korman12
01-28-2011, 07:47 PM
Duncan for me.

Did it with lesser supporting cast than Kobe. Kobe had Shaq, a top 10-15 player ever during his absolute prime, while Duncan had Parker, Manu (neither top 15 players in the league during their prime) and a shell of David Robinson (2003).

Duncan never lost a finals appearance, was always his team's best player, and never had a bad game when it counted. Kobe won more rings during the 2000's, but lost two finals - badly. And if the Lakers had lost game 7 last year, Kobe's 7-24 bomb would be a lot more meaningful to the discussion.

It's a lot closer than I'm making it seem, but I take Duncan by a hair.

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 07:51 PM
Duncan for me.

Did it with lesser supporting cast than Kobe. Kobe had Shaq, a top 10-15 player ever during his absolute prime, while Duncan had Parker, Manu (neither top 15 players in the league during their prime) and a shell of David Robinson (2003).

Duncan never lost a finals appearance, was always his team's best player, and never had a bad game when it counted. Kobe won more rings during the 2000's, but lost two finals - badly. And if the Lakers had lost game 7 last year, Kobe's 7-24 bomb would be a lot more meaningful to the discussion.

It's a lot closer than I'm making it seem, but I take Duncan by a hair.

Tony Parker won finals mvp in 2007, and was the better player

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 07:52 PM
Duncan for me.

Did it with lesser supporting cast than Kobe. Kobe had Shaq, a top 10-15 player ever during his absolute prime, while Duncan had Parker, Manu (neither top 15 players in the league during their prime) and a shell of David Robinson (2003).

Duncan never lost a finals appearance, was always his team's best player, and never had a bad game when it counted. Kobe won more rings during the 2000's, but lost two finals - badly. And if the Lakers had lost game 7 last year, Kobe's 7-24 bomb would be a lot more meaningful to the discussion.

It's a lot closer than I'm making it seem, but I take Duncan by a hair.

Duncan only got to 3 nba finals in the 2000s, kobe got into 6

J4KOP99
01-28-2011, 07:53 PM
Duncan
Kobe
Shaq


in that order

kArSoN RyDaH
01-28-2011, 07:57 PM
Kobe's playoff performances during the 3peat were definately memorable. And I think if it were Finals+Playoff MVP he would have had 1 or 2 of those MVPs. Finals? Shaq dominated but during the playoffs Kobe got us to the finals on more than one occasion. I'd say Kobe, Duncan. No 3rd for me.

Korman12
01-28-2011, 08:07 PM
Tony Parker won finals mvp in 2007, and was the better player

That week? Maybe. Duncan didn't shoot as well offensively, but handled the defense on an elite level. Parker, during the four games, had one more assist than turnover (picking hairs here).

Point is, Parker may have been a little better that week (the best he's ever played), but that season and the playoffs leading up to the finals? Duncan, no question.

Ebbs
01-28-2011, 08:28 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

Yes an ESPN article clearly is all knowing. Although I agree Wade is a freak in The playoffs.

shep33
01-28-2011, 08:46 PM
That week? Maybe. Duncan didn't shoot as well offensively, but handled the defense on an elite level. Parker, during the four games, had one more assist than turnover (picking hairs here).

Point is, Parker may have been a little better that week (the best he's ever played), but that season and the playoffs leading up to the finals? Duncan, no question.

I dunno man, I think the Spurs had a very strong supporting cast around Duncan. Tony Parker was a star, Ginobili was great, they had terrific role players too. Bruce Bowen was arguably the best defender in the league during that span. They also had guys like Michael Finley, Steven Jackson, Hedo Turkoglu, Robert Horry, Beno Udrih, Brent Barry, Glen Robinson. IMO they were extremely talented and deep.

Phenomenonsense
01-28-2011, 09:01 PM
Yes, D-Wade playing well one year OBVIOUSLY makes him the best player for 10 years.

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 09:12 PM
Yes, D-Wade playing well one year OBVIOUSLY makes him the best player for 10 years.

lol but he was a beast in 06, but thats just 1 year

LTS
01-28-2011, 09:15 PM
Dwyane Wade-greatest finals performace ever.

Agreed and he was a beast year before when Shaq was injured playoff time hes the boss

LTS
01-28-2011, 09:16 PM
Yes, D-Wade playing well one year OBVIOUSLY makes him the best player for 10 years.

That wasnt the question it was who had been best playoff perfromer

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 09:18 PM
That week? Maybe. Duncan didn't shoot as well offensively, but handled the defense on an elite level. Parker, during the four games, had one more assist than turnover (picking hairs here).

Point is, Parker may have been a little better that week (the best he's ever played), but that season and the playoffs leading up to the finals? Duncan, no question.

2007 nba finals stats:
Parker - 24.5 ppg, 56.8 fg%
Duncan - 18.3 ppg, 44.6 fg%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

that % for a PF/C is terrible
Parker by far deserved finals mvp

210Don
01-28-2011, 09:55 PM
I dunno man, I think the Spurs had a very strong supporting cast around Duncan. Tony Parker was a star, Ginobili was great, they had terrific role players too. Bruce Bowen was arguably the best defender in the league during that span. They also had guys like Michael Finley, Steven Jackson, Hedo Turkoglu, Robert Horry, Beno Udrih, Brent Barry, Glen Robinson. IMO they were extremely talented and deep.

POP hated udrih, glen robinson played like 2 games with us lol and turk was horrible his one year with us which we lost that year to the lakers.

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 10:00 PM
POP hated udrih, glen robinson played like 2 games with us lol and turk was horrible his one year with us which we lost that year to the lakers.

i dont know why, but i hate the spurs lol

210Don
01-28-2011, 10:02 PM
i dont know why, but i hate the spurs lol

its cool you will fit right in with psd.:(

knightstemplar
01-28-2011, 10:08 PM
lol, manu's game winner looks like a travel to me

Korman12
01-28-2011, 11:20 PM
2007 nba finals stats:
Parker - 24.5 ppg, 56.8 fg%
Duncan - 18.3 ppg, 44.6 fg%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

that % for a PF/C is terrible
Parker by far deserved finals mvp

My argument isn't totally that Parker shouldn't have won the award. Like I said, he played his best in the finals. But all year and all the playoffs up to that time? Duncan.

Parker shooting % in playoffs before finals - .465
Duncan shooting % in playoffs before finals - .565

All this while captaining the defense and significantly outplaying his opponent, and pretty much carrying the team in the Phoenix series with an insane 26.8 ppg, 13.6 rpg, and 4.1 bpg. Parker's numbers were fairly good (20.8 ppg and 5.6 apg on .441%), but he was outplayed by Nash in every game. Parker also played poor defense against his other PG opponents leading up the finals (Billups and D. Will, along with Nash). Is it any significance that Parker won the finals MVP against a Cleveland team that had Larry Hughes as their designated PG?

Again, I'm not taking what Parker did in that series away - he had a great finals. But he wasn't the best player on that team, and everyone knows that.

JordansBulls
01-31-2011, 02:06 PM
2007 nba finals stats:
Parker - 24.5 ppg, 56.8 fg%
Duncan - 18.3 ppg, 44.6 fg%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

that % for a PF/C is terrible
Parker by far deserved finals mvp

Agreed on Parker deserved finals mvp and he averaged the most ppg in that entire series on both teams.

Atticus Finch
02-02-2011, 12:55 PM
Duncan for me.

Did it with lesser supporting cast than Kobe. Kobe had Shaq, a top 10-15 player ever during his absolute prime, while Duncan had Parker, Manu (neither top 15 players in the league during their prime) and a shell of David Robinson (2003).

Duncan never lost a finals appearance, was always his team's best player, and never had a bad game when it counted. Kobe won more rings during the 2000's, but lost two finals - badly. And if the Lakers had lost game 7 last year, Kobe's 7-24 bomb would be a lot more meaningful to the discussion.

It's a lot closer than I'm making it seem, but I take Duncan by a hair.

What's more impressive, making it to the finals and losing or not making it at all? It's true he never lost in the finals, but during the decade his team lost in the first round twice, the second round 3 times, and in the conference finals twice. They are also 8-18 against the Lakers in the playoffs for the entire decade, getting knocked out by them 4 times, while only beating the Lakers once.

Minimal
02-02-2011, 02:15 PM
Duncan

Storch
02-02-2011, 02:33 PM
I'm going with a non-homer pick and say Allen Iverson. although he never really accomplished much, when he played the lakers in the finals with his 76ers... he was the only reason they made it there. he was the only reason they had a chance and he had no one to help him on his team. I'll give it to AI, sorry Kobe.

DoubleDragon
02-02-2011, 02:47 PM
this should only be between Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe

agreed. Between the 2 teams with multiple championships over the decade.
Not taking away from some great individual performances (like Wade), it's the ones who have proved it multiple times by not only shining in the play-offs, but rather doing it on the biggest stage (Finals).

These 3 are the blueprint for that criteria.

JordansBulls
02-07-2011, 01:06 AM
I'm going with a non-homer pick and say Allen Iverson. although he never really accomplished much, when he played the lakers in the finals with his 76ers... he was the only reason they made it there. he was the only reason they had a chance and he had no one to help him on his team. I'll give it to AI, sorry Kobe.

I give you props for this. But I don't think Iverson was the best.

sargon21
02-07-2011, 01:13 AM
AI gets my vote.

Gibby
02-07-2011, 01:22 AM
its has to be Shaq. 3 finals mvp all 3 ranked in top 10 PER of all time

LongWayFromHome
02-07-2011, 02:47 AM
What's more impressive, making it to the finals and losing or not making it at all? It's true he never lost in the finals, but during the decade his team lost in the first round twice, the second round 3 times, and in the conference finals twice. They are also 8-18 against the Lakers in the playoffs for the entire decade, getting knocked out by them 4 times, while only beating the Lakers once.

This.

I go Shaq over Kobe with quality over quantity. I can name a number of players that I replace Kobe with and the Lakers still 3peat with Shaq. But replace shaq with.... Duncan and they win 2 any other superstar maybe they win 1 1/2 or so.

I vote shaq

icej
02-07-2011, 05:46 AM
This.

I go Shaq over Kobe with quality over quantity. I can name a number of players that I replace Kobe with and the Lakers still 3peat with Shaq. But replace shaq with.... Duncan and they win 2 any other superstar maybe they win 1 1/2 or so.

I vote shaq

Replace Shaq with anyone either than TD during that time and you only have a playoff team at best, kobe is still raw for a 1st option during those times. LA is a great organization, they know how to get big time players its not an accident that they always have the best players over the years. But them having Shaq is a jackpot no one has dominated this league like Shaq and Wilt, so for that 3 LA Championship I give that to Shaq, kobe is great now but during those times he's still improving to his potential, and he's the LA player that best benefited Shaq's dominance and entire league's attention inside. Re-watch those games and you'll understand.

If Shaq wouldn't have left LA (Forgive the "IF) and won a couple more, this should not have been an argument, but TD's consistent performance during playoffs is definitely the best of that 2000 decade.

LAcowBOMBER
02-07-2011, 06:14 AM
Anyone that would put AI over Kobe, Duncan, and even Shaq is just a huge homer or doesn't watch basketball

LAcowBOMBER
02-07-2011, 06:19 AM
Even J Kidd should be over him. He took the Nets to the Finals twice and was in the playoffs with other teams as well

Enemey
02-07-2011, 07:42 AM
Duncan for me.

Did it with lesser supporting cast than Kobe. Kobe had Shaq, a top 10-15 player ever during his absolute prime, while Duncan had Parker, Manu (neither top 15 players in the league during their prime) and a shell of David Robinson (2003).

Duncan never lost a finals appearance, was always his team's best player, and never had a bad game when it counted. Kobe won more rings during the 2000's, but lost two finals - badly. And if the Lakers had lost game 7 last year, Kobe's 7-24 bomb would be a lot more meaningful to the discussion.

It's a lot closer than I'm making it seem, but I take Duncan by a hair.

Dude... Go check game 7 of the 2005 NBA Finals where he went 10-27( very Bad for a big man). Tim Duncan shot terrible in that Series 41% from the Field and many people believed Manu should have won the MVP because he was the Spurs best and consistent player in that series.

CavsYanksDuke
02-07-2011, 08:01 AM
Shaq over Duncan and Kobe fo sho.

Mochalman
02-07-2011, 08:03 AM
Kobe leading is ridic.

The Jokemaker
02-07-2011, 08:31 AM
I voted Kobe. He was a key player in two different Finals teams and won with a 3peat and now possibly another 3 peat. Not to mention the 81 point game and maintained his excellence throughout the decade. I love Shaq but he declined the 2nd half of the decade and didn't maintain that dominance the entire decade. Tough tough call.

AIRMAR72
02-07-2011, 09:08 AM
[QUOTE=The Jokemaker;16624894]I voted Kobe. He was a key player in two different Finals teams and won with a 3peat and now possibly another 3 peat. Not to mention the 81 point game and maintained his excellence throughout the decade. I love Shaq but he declined the 2nd half of the decade and didn't maintain that dominance the entire decade. Tough tough call.[/QUdid this 81 points your talking about was this a playoffs team or game? when tobe i meant kobe scored those points were the lakers down by 10-15? you gremlins who support tobe act as if he will da laker back to victory droping 81 points on how many shot attempts did he get how many dimes did he have how many steals or rebound did he get im so tired of this 81 as if there was importance in that game lets see tobe get some triple double like bron and wade and some blocks and steal or play some defense for a full season

Enemey
02-07-2011, 10:24 AM
[QUOTE=The Jokemaker;16624894]I voted Kobe. He was a key player in two different Finals teams and won with a 3peat and now possibly another 3 peat. Not to mention the 81 point game and maintained his excellence throughout the decade. I love Shaq but he declined the 2nd half of the decade and didn't maintain that dominance the entire decade. Tough tough call.[/QUdid this 81 points your talking about was this a playoffs team or game? when tobe i meant kobe scored those points were the lakers down by 10-15? you gremlins who support tobe act as if he will da laker back to victory droping 81 points on how many shot attempts did he get how many dimes did he have how many steals or rebound did he get im so tired of this 81 as if there was importance in that game lets see tobe get some triple double like bron and wade and some blocks and steal or play some defense for a full season

Yeah Man !! Scoring 81 points is soooo easy like wow and getting Triple Double is soo Difficult. Come on Kobe stop playing like a 32 year old. What the hell is Kobe thinking? Does he not know the importance of getting triple doubles? Triple Doubles= Championship you fools!

I guess Kobe doesn't know when to "quit" when his team is down by 18.

papap47
02-07-2011, 12:01 PM
I'm not quite a fan of NBA (http://thenbafan.com)but I'd say it's Kobe.

Gram
02-07-2011, 05:05 PM
Chauncey. X)

Clutch™
02-07-2011, 05:16 PM
Kobe and Timmy.

Clutch™
02-07-2011, 05:17 PM
Lol voted for Chauncey gotta give him some love.

JordansBulls
02-07-2011, 05:21 PM
Kobe leading is ridic.

:confused:

FakeBlackMamba
02-07-2011, 06:18 PM
I would include Shaq and Kobe but Duncan has done more with less

More with less? are you serious? maybe you should take a look at the roster of the teams he won titles with.

I love KB24, but i gotta be real and go with Shaq. Kobe second, then Timmy, then D-Wade

Sixerlover
02-07-2011, 06:22 PM
Shaq #1, then Kobe then Duncan.

Shaq #1 because of his pure dominance of the first part of the decade

Raps18-19 Champ
02-07-2011, 06:23 PM
I voted Wade.

He had arguably the best playoff performance ever.

MrfadeawayJB
02-07-2011, 08:15 PM
Even though he is not on the list...how bout Derek Fisher....i swear he is the most clutch average player i have ever seen in my life

rufo4100
02-07-2011, 08:31 PM
Kobe. Not even close really

Giraffes Rule
02-07-2011, 08:38 PM
1. Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Kobe

Surprised at the D.Wade votes. He was fantastic... one year. The rest of them did it multiple times.

kobe24>lebron23
02-07-2011, 08:59 PM
My argument isn't totally that Parker shouldn't have won the award. Like I said, he played his best in the finals. But all year and all the playoffs up to that time? Duncan.

Parker shooting % in playoffs before finals - .465
Duncan shooting % in playoffs before finals - .565

All this while captaining the defense and significantly outplaying his opponent, and pretty much carrying the team in the Phoenix series with an insane 26.8 ppg, 13.6 rpg, and 4.1 bpg. Parker's numbers were fairly good (20.8 ppg and 5.6 apg on .441%), but he was outplayed by Nash in every game. Parker also played poor defense against his other PG opponents leading up the finals (Billups and D. Will, along with Nash). Is it any significance that Parker won the finals MVP against a Cleveland team that had Larry Hughes as their designated PG?

Again, I'm not taking what Parker did in that series away - he had a great finals. But he wasn't the best player on that team, and everyone knows that.

if that was the case then kobe would've gotten 2/3 mvps when shaq was a laker cuz kobe took them on his back to the finals and that's when shaq took over but if u look at the stats for the last two championships they won kobes stats were awesome they were well worthy of being finals mvp!

kobe24>lebron23
02-07-2011, 09:08 PM
This.

I go Shaq over Kobe with quality over quantity. I can name a number of players that I replace Kobe with and the Lakers still 3peat with Shaq. But replace shaq with.... Duncan and they win 2 any other superstar maybe they win 1 1/2 or so.

I vote shaq


name them?? u really think t-mac vince iverson would have won a 3-peat with shaq?? kobe was the perfect component to shaq i hate it when people say that kobe was replacable in those 3 years seriously there was no one better for that situation. i could say the same i could say if kobe had duncan instead of shaq they would still win 3 in a row but no nobody says that u give props where it's due and both couldn't have done it without each other.

kobe24>lebron23
02-07-2011, 09:12 PM
[QUOTE=The Jokemaker;16624894]I voted Kobe. He was a key player in two different Finals teams and won with a 3peat and now possibly another 3 peat. Not to mention the 81 point game and maintained his excellence throughout the decade. I love Shaq but he declined the 2nd half of the decade and didn't maintain that dominance the entire decade. Tough tough call.[/QUdid this 81 points your talking about was this a playoffs team or game? when tobe i meant kobe scored those points were the lakers down by 10-15? you gremlins who support tobe act as if he will da laker back to victory droping 81 points on how many shot attempts did he get how many dimes did he have how many steals or rebound did he get im so tired of this 81 as if there was importance in that game lets see tobe get some triple double like bron and wade and some blocks and steal or play some defense for a full season

dude we all know u hate kobe but u cant even give props to kobe for the 81 point game greatest game ever played possibly? wow lol your a hater man when he's gone you'll probably say wow i cant believe i never appreciated kobe bryant there really wasn't anyone like him!

kobe24>lebron23
02-07-2011, 09:17 PM
really kobe should be the answer to this.
sure shaq had 3 good make it great years but last time i checked 3 years is not greater then 10 same with duncan he was great the first half of the decade. only player to do it for all ten years was kobe and in an amazing fashion to say someone other then kobe will probably tell me your kinda not really thinking clearly

JordansBulls
02-08-2011, 09:50 AM
name them?? u really think t-mac vince iverson would have won a 3-peat with shaq?? kobe was the perfect component to shaq i hate it when people say that kobe was replacable in those 3 years seriously there was no one better for that situation. i could say the same i could say if kobe had duncan instead of shaq they would still win 3 in a row but no nobody says that u give props where it's due and both couldn't have done it without each other.

None of them would have 3 peated with Shaq. They may have won a few though.

Heater4life
02-08-2011, 10:25 AM
I cant really give you a clear answer to this question because there are a bunch of criteria to judge who is the "best".

I can only go with the obvious; Kobe is there, as is Duncan, and Wade. (Wade may only have one ring, but he dominates come playoff time. Career averages in 66 games 26.3 ppg, 6apg and 5.3 rpg on .482 % shooting) Definitely top 5

Heater4life
02-08-2011, 10:29 AM
Just for the sake of argument: Lebron James over 71 career playoff games; 29.3 PPG, 7.3 APG, 8.4 RPG, 1.6 SPG, 1 BPG, on .459% shooting. Seems pretty effective a playoff preformer.

JordansBulls
02-08-2011, 06:23 PM
I cant really give you a clear answer to this question because there are a bunch of criteria to judge who is the "best".

I can only go with the obvious; Kobe is there, as is Duncan, and Wade. (Wade may only have one ring, but he dominates come playoff time. Career averages in 66 games 26.3 ppg, 6apg and 5.3 rpg on .482 % shooting) Definitely top 5

You can value stats, finals mvp's, per, etc.