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wakikisurfer
01-27-2011, 03:32 PM
Is our first round pick worth 2 other draft picks? The Hawks need to rebuild at many positions.
If New England offered It's 2nd 2nd rounder(#60) and it's 2nd 3rd rounder (#90) would you make that deal?

NateyB24
01-27-2011, 04:08 PM
I really don't want to move completely out of the first round because when you get into the 2nd round its usally devolopmental players. Maybe if its a really early 2nd round pick though.

Nwsports22
01-27-2011, 05:24 PM
Cant see NE doing that, they already have two 1st rounders. I'm pretty sure they have something like 10+ picks in the draft.

House
01-27-2011, 06:22 PM
Use this point value scale as the point of reference. We'd get the SHAFT if we made that deal. #25 (720pts). #60 (300pts) and #90 (140pts).

They own #33 from CAR (580pts). That along with #90 (140pts) would be an EXACT point match for the trade...

http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm

I could see a potential deal for our 1st rd pick with teams DAL or TEN trading back their 2nd & 3rd rd picks.

seahawks509
01-27-2011, 07:50 PM
I really don't want to move completely out of the first round because when you get into the 2nd round its usally devolopmental players. Maybe if its a really early 2nd round pick though.

For the most part there isn't a huge difference between the lat 1st round and a 2nd round pick. It also depends on our need. Let's say we needed a RB, and there wasn't a RB that was worth the value where we were at, but there was one in the 2nd round, but there was another team that was interested into him. Then yes, trading would be the right move.

ztilzer31
01-29-2011, 03:54 PM
I really don't want to move completely out of the first round because when you get into the 2nd round its usally devolopmental players. Maybe if its a really early 2nd round pick though.

This is completely not true. If you're talking about QB yeah this is usually development. However you can fine good O-Lineman, WR, RB, TE, at just about any point int he draft and alot of times they can contribute instantly. The only positions that are developmental players after the first round usually is QB, CB, and D-lineman. Look at New England. Probably the best franchise in the NFL and they consistanly use all their picks in the draft to get sound NFL ready players.

Furesh2Death
02-20-2011, 06:57 PM
The hawks winning against the Rams was the worst thing that happened this year because instead of a top 15 pick we have the #25 pick. This draft is gonna be a good one for the Hawks though cause they are probably gonna get a Guard in the 1st round, Cornerback in the second, Guard in the 4th, WR in the 5th, QB in the 5th, DE''s and positions we don't need in the rest of the draft. To sum it up John Schneider will live off the draft for his needs. Although he could have a huge free agency grabbing at least 1 or 2 top caliber players!

Seattle4Ever
02-20-2011, 07:00 PM
The hawks winning against the Rams was the worst thing that happened this year because instead of a top 15 pick we have the #25 pick. This draft is gonna be a good one for the Hawks though cause they are probably gonna get a Guard in the 1st round, Cornerback in the second, Guard in the 4th, WR in the 5th, QB in the 5th, DE''s and positions we don't need in the rest of the draft. To sum it up John Schneider will live off the draft for his needs. Although he could have a huge free agency grabbing at least 1 or 2 top caliber players!

We got to see two weeks of OUR team in playoff football. I'll take that over draft position any day.

NateyB24
02-20-2011, 07:16 PM
We got to see two weeks of OUR team in playoff football. I'll take that over draft position any day.

^ This. Its not like having a top 10 draft pick guarantee's you a star player anyways.

furmat60
02-20-2011, 07:29 PM
The hawks winning against the Rams was the worst thing that happened this year because instead of a top 15 pick we have the #25 pick. This draft is gonna be a good one for the Hawks though cause they are probably gonna get a Guard in the 1st round, Cornerback in the second, Guard in the 4th, WR in the 5th, QB in the 5th, DE''s and positions we don't need in the rest of the draft. To sum it up John Schneider will live off the draft for his needs. Although he could have a huge free agency grabbing at least 1 or 2 top caliber players!

GTFO. You know, I always tell people to never tell someone they aren't a fan. But this time, I'll make an exception. If you think what I had put in bold above is true, you aren't a real fan.
:facepalm:

FWBrodie
02-20-2011, 07:47 PM
The hawks winning against the Rams was the worst thing that happened this year because instead of a top 15 pick we have the #25 pick. This draft is gonna be a good one for the Hawks though cause they are probably gonna get a Guard in the 1st round, Cornerback in the second, Guard in the 4th, WR in the 5th, QB in the 5th, DE''s and positions we don't need in the rest of the draft. To sum it up John Schneider will live off the draft for his needs. Although he could have a huge free agency grabbing at least 1 or 2 top caliber players!

The Hawks also have a roster full of players who have bought into what Carroll and Schneider are selling because they took them to the playoffs. That's a big deal on a football team.

FWBrodie
02-20-2011, 07:55 PM
GTFO. You know, I always tell people to never tell someone they aren't a fan. But this time, I'll make an exception. If you think what I had put in bold above is true, you aren't a real fan.
:facepalm:

I'm happy about the playoff game, but to say someone isn't a fan because they are able to see the potential value in sacrificing limited success today for greater success in the future is extremely ignorant. The goal is a Super Bowl. As I just stated in my previous post, I'm able to see some real positives in the playoff win, but the 8th pick is worth two 25th picks. That win against the Rams cost the Seahawks anything from another starter to a chance at a franchise QB to a pro bowl defensive lineman or CB. Hopefully Schneider is able to use his skill to negate that loss and hopefully my above post isn't BS, but don't call someone less of a fan because they are thinking logically.

Seattle4Ever
02-20-2011, 07:59 PM
I'm happy about the playoff game, but to say someone isn't a fan because they are able to see the potential value in sacrificing limited success today for greater success in the future is extremely ignorant. The goal is a Super Bowl. As I just stated in my previous post, I'm able to see some real positives in the playoff win, but the 8th pick is worth two 25th picks. That win against the Rams cost the Seahawks anything from another starter to a chance at a franchise QB to a pro bowl defensive lineman or CB. Hopefully Schneider is able to use his skill to negate that loss and hopefully my above post isn't BS, but don't call someone less of a fan because they are thinking logically.

I could see both sides of the argument. I'm glad we got to see some playoff football, but the draft is going to be COMPLETELY different. We missed out on a lot of good players.

House
02-20-2011, 09:16 PM
We missed out on UNPROVEN rookies... We gained respect around the league and respect in the eyes of Potential Free Agents. Would a high profile FA be more likely come to a team that consistently losses and drafts high, or a team that makes the playoffs?

I saw both the Pro and Cons of the #7 pick and the #25 pick. I'm good with where we're at. Our picks that we traded away (3rd, 4th, 6th and 7th) all went to other teams praying we tanked. Screw them all!!! We didn't overpay for Charlie too much... Instead of SD grabbing pick #73-77, they got #89...

Hawks4ever
02-20-2011, 09:54 PM
I agree with the fact that its not so much of a waste to give up the picks we did and I would much rather see some playoff football than draft high i mean it sucks we may miss out on some high profile draft picks but their unproven anyway and it should attract a few good FAs exspecially since it is carrols first year its a sign of good things to come.

steelie
02-20-2011, 11:30 PM
Schneider lives for the draft and he will find some very good players with the picks we have. We probably will move down the board this draft to accumulate more picks as well. With the competition for roster spots that Carroll has introduced those extra picks are even more important.

shen
02-21-2011, 04:03 AM
We did not gain any respect. Honestly Seahawks became even more of a league joke going 7-9 and making playoffs then if we had gone 6-10. Lynch gained some respect sure, however it took all of a week for that to evaporate. I loved watching us in playoffs again but lets not pretend it made us look better then before.

I really enjoyed watching playoffs and beating Rams. However I am forced to wonder, what if we had been able to get Prince? or AJ Green? or any of the other guaranteed upgrades that will be long gone by time we pick but were vary possible for where we could have picked.

FWBrodie
02-21-2011, 01:16 PM
I agree with the fact that its not so much of a waste to give up the picks we did and I would much rather see some playoff football than draft high i mean it sucks we may miss out on some high profile draft picks but their unproven anyway and it should attract a few good FAs exspecially since it is carrols first year its a sign of good things to come.

Sorry, but this is for your own good.

Especially... and that's how it is pronounced as well.

166471
02-21-2011, 01:58 PM
[QUOTE=House;16801489]We missed out on UNPROVEN rookies... We gained respect around the league and respect in the eyes of Potential Free Agents. [QUOTE]

We never had respect, even our superbowl run :(

House
02-21-2011, 02:34 PM
We did not gain any respect. Honestly Seahawks became even more of a league joke going 7-9 and making playoffs then if we had gone 6-10. Lynch gained some respect sure, however it took all of a week for that to evaporate. I loved watching us in playoffs again but lets not pretend it made us look better then before.

I really enjoyed watching playoffs and beating Rams. However I am forced to wonder, what if we had been able to get Prince? or AJ Green? or any of the other guaranteed upgrades that will be long gone by time we pick but were vary possible for where we could have picked.

No respect? Ask the Saints who missed out on the rest of the playoffs thinking they would have a "BYE week" against us.

Yes... I would've loved an AJ Green or a Prince Amukamara, but guys like Brandon Marshall and Nnamdi Asomougha weren't Top 10 picks.



We missed out on UNPROVEN rookies... We gained respect around the league and respect in the eyes of Potential Free Agents.

We never had respect, even our superbowl run :(

The team has gained respect... No one wants to play/go play for a losing team. We had some REAL BAD luck with injuries this past year, with run of the mill players. Had both our lines stayed healthy, we would've won 9 games

Canada26
02-21-2011, 03:51 PM
No respect? Ask the Saints who missed out on the rest of the playoffs thinking they would have a "BYE week" against us.

Yes... I would've loved an AJ Green or a Prince Amukamara, but guys like Brandon Marshall and Nnamdi Asomougha weren't Top 10 picks.



The team has gained respect... No one wants to play/go play for a losing team. We had some REAL BAD luck with injuries this past year, with run of the mill players. Had both our lines stayed healthy, we would've won 9 games

Agreed. How many failures in the top 10 have there been? Couple that with the success of late first rounders, or even late rounders. Any player can succeed in the right system. You need to find the right people. Pete was always a great recruiter, and based off of last years draft, and the success that the guys had on the field this year, I have faith that Pete and Co will get it right.

furmat60
02-21-2011, 04:29 PM
^ I've been high on Carroll's ability to do that since day one. Normally people get worried come draft time, but I'm not worried at all. I'm sure Carroll and Schneider will get it right.

CHAWKSFLYNHGH
02-21-2011, 04:29 PM
If we had everyone healthy (which is unrealistic) we would have done better then 9 games. Also if we would have played the way we did in the wins we had w/ the reserve guys we would have done a lot better too. GB is a prime example at what we want to do, all of tbe players they went out and got helped get them to the SB and helped them win it too. And to be honest they have set themselves up for years and could be a dynasty waiting to happen. This why we brought Schneider in, he can evaluate players on a what do we need and is a player at that pick worth it. Even if it is to help w/ depth at all positions.

I agree that we were a little bit of a laughing stock, and not a lot of teams took us serious. But we did give a lot of people something to talk about. It is a little embarrassing to have gone to the playoffs wn a losing record, but for me to see a playoff game at soldier field was pricessless. Getting us to the playoffs no matter which way we did it, proved that we can be a legitimate team w/ the right depth and the right type of quality players.

Can't wait for the combine and the draft.... Lets get this deal done and play some football, LETS GO HAWKS!!

shen
02-21-2011, 07:21 PM
I am sorry house but we did not gain ANY respect. I don't know what world you come from but when we are made fun of more now then before. That is not more respect that is being joke of the league. Players don't want to be on team that gets in at 7-9. Players know they on a team like that they will get made fun of and they want none of it. We did not help our standing at all.

Only people that think anything positive about Seahawks and making it into playoffs are Seahawks fans. EVERYONE else makes fun of us and def does it far more then if we had gone 6-10 and missed out. Not a single analysts or fan out side of NW thinks Seahawks won more then Saints lost. It is as simple as that.

alexander_37
02-21-2011, 07:39 PM
FA is the draft to winning teams, and it's much less hit and miss.

shen
02-21-2011, 07:44 PM
FA is a lot more miss then hit. That is why people always say you don't build through FA you do it in the draft.

alexander_37
02-21-2011, 08:44 PM
As long as your not picking up guys at the end of their prime it's usually very accurate.

shen
02-21-2011, 08:55 PM
Find 10 guys who have changed teams in FA over the last 2 years that are still as good and starting. Find just 10 and I will admit I am wrong.

House
02-21-2011, 10:26 PM
I am sorry house but we did not gain ANY respect. I don't know what world you come from but when we are made fun of more now then before. That is not more respect that is being joke of the league. Players don't want to be on team that gets in at 7-9. Players know they on a team like that they will get made fun of and they want none of it. We did not help our standing at all.

Only people that think anything positive about Seahawks and making it into playoffs are Seahawks fans. EVERYONE else makes fun of us and def does it far more then if we had gone 6-10 and missed out. Not a single analysts or fan out side of NW thinks Seahawks won more then Saints lost. It is as simple as that.

I tell you what world I'm from... I'm in the military and have been all over the world. In the majority of the countries I've been to, I'm always the only guy wearing Seahawks gear.

I'm stationed in Southern California and seeing people here get excited about the Seahawks beat the Saints was a sight. I've heard so many people say "y'all got some good players. A couple more guys and you'll be legit." to me that's respect.

Sure we were the 7-9 team that made the playoffs. The point is we made it. NE, NO and ATL all had good records and got knocked off. Once you're in, thats all that matters. We need to continue to improve to stay there!!!

FWBrodie
02-21-2011, 10:48 PM
FA is a lot more miss then hit. That is why people always say you don't build through FA you do it in the draft.

No it isn't, it's because free agents cost a **** load and you can't possibly expect to compete unless you have a bunch of affordable guys you've developed yourself.

shen
02-22-2011, 04:44 AM
No it isn't, it's because free agents cost a **** load and you can't possibly expect to compete unless you have a bunch of affordable guys you've developed yourself.

Actually it is because players don't historically do good for second or third teams once they go into FA. It is why former GM's that have talked mention how always skeptical about getting someone in FA because you sign them and then they are not even good enough for second string. Like that S who went from I think Rams to Redskins. He was sought after and people thought was going to be really big then goes to skins and completely tanks. League has tons of those cases which is why GM's say build from draft not FA.

shen
02-22-2011, 04:47 AM
House,
In the first day or two people gave Seahawks credit but since then it has all been "shorthanded Saints phoned in a sub par performance and fell just short against worst playoff team ever". Just like with Lynch's run, for first few days it was this great thing. However since then it has somehow morphed into a granny with a walker could have done it.

It pisses me off but we actually lost respect somehow. Attention and coverage is not the same thing as respect. Contrary to what those in Hollywood might say there is such a thing as bad publicity. The Seahawks got a ton of it.

FWBrodie
02-23-2011, 01:49 AM
House,
In the first day or two people gave Seahawks credit but since then it has all been "shorthanded Saints phoned in a sub par performance and fell just short against worst playoff team ever". Just like with Lynch's run, for first few days it was this great thing. However since then it has somehow morphed into a granny with a walker could have done it.

It pisses me off but we actually lost respect somehow. Attention and coverage is not the same thing as respect. Contrary to what those in Hollywood might say there is such a thing as bad publicity. The Seahawks got a ton of it.

That's BS.

shen
02-23-2011, 03:50 AM
Think what you want Brodie, its your right just like I have right to think what I think.

Caribou Lou
02-23-2011, 03:58 AM
I don't see how us getting to the playoffs garnered less respect than if we hadn't made it in. At least the team was being talked about, as slandering as it may have been. No playoffs this year would have just labeled us as another ****** team.

DuckHawk
02-23-2011, 11:24 AM
Trading the 1st round pick is the best thing they could do. But only if it improves their position. Don't forget how they ended up with 2 1st rounders last year and look at the Patriots. Their management is genious. I still say to trade the 1st rounder for a 1st rounder next year and a #2 or #3 this year. We would never have gotten Earl Thomas last year if Denver hadn't traded us their future 1st rounder.

As far as wanting the Hawks to have lost to the Rams, that's just plain BS. The goal of every team is to get to the Superbowl. You can't get to the Superbowl if you are not in the playoffs. There is no substitute for the experience gained by the young Hawks who not only made it to the playoffs but beat a very good team in the playoffs. As far as the Hawks and their respect; it has to be earned and I think they are well on their way. No one wants to come to Quest and play. I would call that respect. Now they just need to earn it on the road. And they will.

shen
02-23-2011, 01:35 PM
Did not say wanted us to lose to Rams. I am just saying this stuff being said about we got more respect is total BS. No player wants to be on a team that is mocked as much as we are. 6-10 missing out on playoffs is one thing. However 7-9 and the but of EVERY joke scares people away. Lou, that being talked about was bad for us. Like I said contrary to Hollywood might say there is such a thing as bad press. No one wants to be on a team that goes two years without being talked about then only gets talked about for the sake of mocking people.

166471
02-23-2011, 01:56 PM
im on shen with this one, we were talked about in playoffs....... as jokes!!! o they have no chance o thery're gonna flop. if we got respect in playoffs why does everyone think the rams are gonna win division next year?

furmat60
02-23-2011, 02:33 PM
We were talked about as jokes until we beat the Saints.

Caribou Lou
02-23-2011, 02:51 PM
@ Shen: So you're saying...players would rather play on a team that misses out on the playoffs than a team that backdoors their way into the playoffs? Which one of those two scenarios gives you the chance to disprove what happened during the season? Which one gives you the chance (though it might be slim) at a championship?

NateyB24
02-23-2011, 03:01 PM
We had no respect to lose going into the playoffs so who cares until were consistent we will always get laughed at, Even then we will probaly be made fun of were in the northwest.

shen
02-23-2011, 06:51 PM
We beat the Saints and still got no respect. Everyone just said an undermanned Saints team phoned in performance and narrowly lost. That is not Seahawks getting respect for beating Saints.

Wild1414
02-23-2011, 09:51 PM
shen regardless of us "loosing" respect it doesnt matter now, GB are champs were not and now we have to deal with it, no one thinks any different now then they did before, a lot of people hate the seahawks and thats fine, lets just hope we can attract some FA's to fill some voids, we still have some players to be excited about (earl, okung, curry, tate) who we can hope turn into real super stars.

Seattle4Ever
02-23-2011, 09:54 PM
We were talked about as jokes until we beat the Saints.

This. Now shut the **** up.