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MFFL==FML
01-27-2011, 03:10 PM
I'm sorry if this thread was already made, but I am curious what people think. Post a link of what you think is the biggest flop in the past 10 years.

I have 2 but I'm not sure which one is worse. What do you guys think?

Kirilenko flop against Dirk --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEx4JUDeyAQ

Davis flop against Okur --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTdERYOtqsg

m26555
01-27-2011, 03:13 PM
At least Baron's flop was funny. Kirilenko's was just stupid.

Super.
01-27-2011, 03:15 PM
Neither are as bad as Pau's flop against Rasheed in the finals. If only I could find a video of it. Sheed didn't even touch Pau and he flailed to the ground. It was pathetic.

Hawkeye15
01-27-2011, 03:15 PM
Does anyone ever imagine Vlade Divac in some dark gym in Europe giving a clinic on flopping, with a smoke dangling from his mouth, looking so dishevled as if he had to step over a drunk hooker to make it to the gym in time?
"More head snap, cmon!"

Hustlenomics
01-27-2011, 03:15 PM
Kobe and Gasol's flops in game 7 of the finals last year in the fourth quarter

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-27-2011, 03:16 PM
this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ukde193ivM)

m26555
01-27-2011, 03:16 PM
Neither are as bad as Pau's flop against Rasheed in the finals. If only I could find a video of it. Sheed didn't even touch Pau and he flailed to the ground. It was pathetic.
I remember exactly what you're talking about. I just saw a video of it the other day, actually. I don't even think it was a flop. I think it was just Gasol falling over himself. :laugh2:

knicksfan42
01-27-2011, 03:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSgggXQyvn8

Fisher actually grabs Monta and drags him to the ground, but of course the refs are looking for a Lakers win. Start at 1:25

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-27-2011, 03:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSgggXQyvn8

Fisher actually grabs Monta and drags him to the ground, but of course the refs are looking for a Lakers win. Start at 1:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AKq3BXJQVU&feature=related

Klivlend
01-27-2011, 03:36 PM
This is pretty bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEef1T_lqwA&feature=related

210Don
01-27-2011, 03:36 PM
Flopping is a part of the game now. if the refs going to call it why not flop.
i was surprised no one posted ginobili till this guy above me... lol

Hawkeye15
01-27-2011, 03:37 PM
Flopping is a part of the game now. if the refs going to call it why not flop.

one of your guys (Manu, cough!) is one of the worst in the last 10 years at flopping.

Klivlend
01-27-2011, 03:39 PM
This is not a flop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3O7vTDquPs

Probably why it is way cooler.

210Don
01-27-2011, 03:41 PM
one of your guys (Manu, cough!) is one of the worst in the last 10 years at flopping.

What You Want Me To Do?:facepalm:


trolllllllllll

Hawkeye15
01-27-2011, 03:45 PM
What You Want Me To Do?:facepalm:


trolllllllllll

I am only busting your chops dude. Like you said, if you can get away with it, do it. Doesn't mean fans have to like it.

I hope you aren't serious about the troll part

210Don
01-27-2011, 03:46 PM
I am only busting your chops dude. Like you said, if you can get away with it, do it. Doesn't mean fans have to like it.

I hope you aren't serious about the troll part

if you dont like it dont watch it nba can easily stop it.

Chacarron
01-27-2011, 03:52 PM
Chris Paul flops a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJcFa2oA5IU&feature=related

Hawkeye15
01-27-2011, 03:54 PM
if you dont like it dont watch it nba can easily stop it.

are you so serious that you have to take offense to anything anyone ever says negatively against a Spur? Chill out

tbone2171
01-27-2011, 04:06 PM
if you dont like it dont watch it nba can easily stop it.

Really? You're going to start **** with the guy that probably posts the most in the NBA forum?

210Don
01-27-2011, 04:08 PM
are you so serious that you have to take offense to anything anyone ever says negatively against a Spur? Chill out

what are you talking about???? :facepalm: you can make comments but i cant right? smh
i didnt direct any comments toward you. You quoted Me, but im the one starting stuff right? lmao

Hawkeye15
01-27-2011, 04:09 PM
what are you talking about???? :facepalm: you can make comments but i cant right? smh

dude, I mentioned Manu is a flop (which he is). You took offense. I told you I was pulling your leg, not starting something. You called me a troll. I asked you to chill.
Again, why are you so sensitive to anything Spurs related? Seriously, chill out man

210Don
01-27-2011, 04:10 PM
Really? You're going to start **** with the guy that probably posts the most in the NBA forum?

because he post the most i gotta take everything he says and love it? people these days do your own thing.

Ty Fast
01-27-2011, 04:11 PM
me in high school. they were inbounding the ball and the ref was about 5 feet from me and the kid bumped me and i went down like i had been shot. my friends dad was in the stands and could not stop laughing. it was funny.

210Don
01-27-2011, 04:13 PM
dude, I mentioned Manu is a flop (which he is). You took offense. I told you I was pulling your leg, not starting something. You called me a troll. I asked you to chill.
Again, why are you so sensitive to anything Spurs related? Seriously, chill out man

manu is a flop great. so is 75 % of every other nba players. my beef isnt that. its you point out only spurs like were the only ones that do it when every other nba player does it, thats my point.

GivenGrace
01-27-2011, 04:27 PM
These all made my day. Hilarious :laugh:

Not the funniest but I love the hard foul by Fisher.

Mudvayne91
01-27-2011, 04:29 PM
manu is a flop great. so is 75 % of every other nba players. my beef isnt that. its you point out only spurs like were the only ones that do it when every other nba player does it, thats my point.

Your team is one the worst(or best) at it and 75% of the NBA doesn't consistently flop. Get mad if you want, but it's how it is.

210Don
01-27-2011, 04:30 PM
Your team is one the worst(or best) at it and 75% of the NBA doesn't consistently flop. Get mad if you want, but it's how it is.

ok like i said what do you want me to do? i dont make the rules or play.

ChaseHamels
01-27-2011, 04:32 PM
Spurs percentage of flops>most of the other NBA teams. Get over it.

Hawkeye15
01-27-2011, 04:36 PM
manu is a flop great. so is 75 % of every other nba players. my beef isnt that. its you point out only spurs like were the only ones that do it when every other nba player does it, thats my point.

75% of the NBA? absolutely not. I would guess there are 5% of the league notorious for it, and a few more who do it occasionally. I never said the Spurs are the only ones who do it. I know you are a Spurs fan, Manu is one of the worst in the past decade, so I gave you some ribbing, in which you took personal like someone was attacking you (as usual). You need to get some thicker skin on this site dude. You can't post like a complete homer, it gets you nowhere.

Chill out dude, I was kidding. You are going to burst a blood vessel on PSD at this rate

210Don
01-27-2011, 04:38 PM
please look at my first post and what i said in this thread....

210Don
01-27-2011, 04:39 PM
Spurs percentage of flops>most of the other NBA teams. Get over it.

you get over it... why me? lol i dont have a problem with it. we get flopped on too. haha

ClayMatthews
01-27-2011, 04:43 PM
Anything with derrick fisher is good

b_russ
01-27-2011, 04:44 PM
Gasol flop. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtB-ME6C6AY)

arkanian215
01-27-2011, 05:09 PM
DH flops quite a bit. So does Alexandra Vujacic.

Bruno
01-27-2011, 05:16 PM
Does anyone ever imagine Vlade Divac in some dark gym in Europe giving a clinic on flopping, with a smoke dangling from his mouth, looking so dishevled as if he had to step over a drunk hooker to make it to the gym in time?
"More head snap, cmon!"

:laugh: YES.

Bruno
01-27-2011, 05:21 PM
manu is a flop great. so is 75 % of every other nba players. my beef isnt that. its you point out only spurs like were the only ones that do it when every other nba player does it, thats my point.

You do realize that you're posting in a thread that was created because of Manus flop last night, right?
of corse other players do it as well. Regardless, there's no reason to get defensive every time somebody calls out a Spur.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-27-2011, 05:30 PM
DH flops quite a bit. So does Alexandra Vujacic.

lol I have never heard about that

Eagles4Lyfe
01-27-2011, 05:51 PM
no one flops as much as varajeo

TopsyTurvy
01-27-2011, 05:55 PM
Vlade Divac may have only played a couple of meaningful years in this past decade, but he still wins the award hands down. He brought the flop to the NBA and it's here to stay.

Youtube - Everyone comments on Vlade's Flopping - Phil Jackson, David Stern, Jason Kidd, Mike Dunleavy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgPHIT61FfU)

Chacarron
01-27-2011, 06:23 PM
Yea Manu flops a ton too. At least he is graceful at it.

Baller1
01-27-2011, 06:27 PM
210Don, calm down dude.

Everyone's not out to get you.

210Don
01-27-2011, 06:42 PM
210Don, calm down dude.

Everyone's not out to get you.

seem like it i didnt start this debate they did.

Mudvayne91
01-27-2011, 06:48 PM
ok like i said what do you want me to do? i dont make the rules or play.

I definitely agree there.

DenButsu
01-27-2011, 07:00 PM
Kirilenko flop against Dirk

Dirk's no stranger to flopping himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaiMkP2wOVg

Raph12
01-27-2011, 07:08 PM
Shaq flopping for the first time in his career: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifDl0fNDEr0

Avenged
01-27-2011, 07:09 PM
When I think of flops, I think of Fisher and Manu. (yes so what?)

I don't understand some of the backlash on here because of that.

Raph12
01-27-2011, 07:21 PM
How about anyone guarding Dwight?

heyman321
01-27-2011, 07:21 PM
Dirk's no stranger to flopping himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaiMkP2wOVg

That wasn't flopping, that was more like losing his balance because of Scola's bump. Those broadcasters are ********.

arkanian215
01-27-2011, 07:39 PM
lol I have never heard about that

I've seen her quite a bit recently.

FadeAwayLikeMJ
01-27-2011, 07:40 PM
Hmm, I figured there would be a little Pierce bashing in here

knicksfan42
01-27-2011, 08:13 PM
hXXp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AKq3BXJQVU&feature=related

Nice vid, the title however, should be changed to refs not allowing LA to blatantly assault the other teams like usual. Now sure Fisher most likely didn't push him too hard, but with LA Amare had to do that if only to slow down the Lakers usual violent progression. In other words Amare had to do that to stop Fisher and the Lakers from getting increasingly more violent as the game progressed. You know, because perhaps if Fisher saw the refs called a foul on him for merely blatantly pushing a player walking up the court(likely to instigate a fight) he might not proceed to do something like bloody a Suns' players' face at later points during the game, or clothesline someone, purposely elbow someone in the throat, all the usual things the Lakers get away with.

GoCubbies65
01-27-2011, 08:25 PM
Either the lamest flop ever or Paul Pierce is the strongest player in the NBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2s6T4xrTo0

DenButsu
01-28-2011, 12:02 AM
That wasn't flopping

You can NOT be serious, right?

He's flopping and flailing and splaying himself halfway up the freakin court.

SugeKnight
01-28-2011, 12:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSgggXQyvn8

Fisher actually grabs Monta and drags him to the ground, but of course the refs are looking for a Lakers win. Start at 1:25

i think you meant to post this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irgc6UGH8E8

NothingbutWill
01-28-2011, 12:19 AM
Hmm, I figured there would be a little Pierce bashing in here

Peirce doesn't flop as much. He just lays on the floor for a ridiculously long time.

Super.
01-28-2011, 01:24 AM
I remember exactly what you're talking about. I just saw a video of it the other day, actually. I don't even think it was a flop. I think it was just Gasol falling over himself. :laugh2:

I utterly flipped a ****. I think I was angrier than Sheed!

SteveNash
01-28-2011, 02:22 AM
http://i.imgur.com/dXJkq.gif

AZCardsFan
01-28-2011, 03:12 AM
After reading this whole thread, I realized just how weird a word "flop" is....

gbrl
01-28-2011, 03:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elz4DJZgVsE
here's a good one also a sick dunk

Lakerhead4ever
01-28-2011, 04:11 AM
Kobe and Gasol's flops in game 7 of the finals last year in the fourth quarter

OhH well get over, move on

ElMarroAfamado
01-28-2011, 04:18 AM
these are so wrong
yet so funny
hahahha

bklynny67
01-28-2011, 04:45 AM
i hate floppers. they're so gay. i wanna punch Ginobili in the mouth, this way he won't have to flop. he'd just go down

Sly Guy
01-28-2011, 10:54 AM
haha, I love flopping, never ceases to make me lol.

BrahCake954
01-28-2011, 10:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znAA4mLU0II

this guy had the greatest night of flopping in NBA history

rapjuicer06
01-28-2011, 12:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifDl0fNDEr0

theres a good one

DenButsu
01-28-2011, 12:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znAA4mLU0II

this guy had the greatest night of flopping in NBA history

That's definitely a lot of flopping. But if any team has a flopping karma deficit due to come back around and bite them in the arse, it's the Spurs. As Manu is to flops what Sheed was to T's.

Draco
01-28-2011, 12:51 PM
Flopping a skill that great players can use to get opposing players in foul trouble and perhaps earn a trip to the foul line. ;)

Hawkeye15
01-28-2011, 12:54 PM
Flopping a skill that great players can use to get opposing players in foul trouble and perhaps earn a trip to the foul line. ;)

haha

DenButsu
01-28-2011, 01:05 PM
Flopping a skill that great players can use to get opposing players in foul trouble and perhaps earn a trip to the foul line. ;)

Nice snark, and nice try, but there's a massive difference between forcing a defender to do, or lulling a defender into doing, something that actually is against the rules of basketball, and deceiving the refs into falsely believing a defender broke the rules when he actually did not.

Draco
01-28-2011, 01:07 PM
Nice snark, and nice try, but there's a massive difference between forcing a defender to do, or lulling a defender into doing, something that actually is against the rules of basketball, and deceiving the refs into falsely believing a defender broke the rules when he actually did not.

When a player jumps into an opposing player while in the act of shooting often times that has nothing to do with lulling a defender. In my mind, it's same thing as flopping except it's in the act of shooting rather than in the act of dribbling.

xxplayerxx23
01-28-2011, 01:20 PM
SOme of these videos make Me not like Fisher more and more that hit on scola, He is an *** :P

DenButsu
01-28-2011, 01:34 PM
When a player jumps into an opposing player while in the act of shooting often times that has nothing to do with lulling a defender. In my mind, it's same thing as flopping except it's in the act of shooting rather than in the act of dribbling.

Okay, first difference: 100% of flops are flops. What % of fouls are constituted by "When a player jumps into an opposing player while in the act of shooting"? 15%? 5%? 25%? In any case, most fouls actually are fouls, and by trying to make a parallel analogy between one particular type of mistaken foul call and flopping - which by definition, if a call is made, is ALWAYS 100% mistaken - is a piss poor comparison, and completely false logic.

Second difference: There is an inherent "pressure" between offensive players and defensive players. "Put pressure on the ball". "Put pressure on the defense by attacking the basket". Etc. We hear expressions like this all the time because they're descriptive of the tension, within the flow of the game, between the offense and defense. And generally speaking, players who get to the line a lot have a knack for pressuring their defenders in particular ways which draw contact.

Billups is a great example. It ain't as if his first step is explosive or anything. But his 3 is dangerous, and he's strong, so when he posts up, his defenders tend to play him close, because they're not worried about him blowing by them, they're worried about him stepping back. And whether you like it or not, as a defender, playing the guy with the ball too closely is a defensive risk, because it increases the likelihood of contact in the act of shooting. And players like Chauncey have a keen understanding of how to play their defender in a way that pretty much tricks them into ****ing up. That's not acting. That's not fake, BS melodramatics. It's crafty basketball play which outsmarts the opponent. (To give a contrasting example from the Nuggets, Chris Andersen is the worst in the world at getting duped time after time and biting on every single head fake that gets thrown his way - and that's his fault, and when he gets called it's to the credit of the offensive player who suckered him into jumping into the air in the first place).

Anyhow, this is totally 100% apples and oranges. I blame myself for allowing you to even let me get drawn into comparing such completely different things in the first place. Rose's flaws are not my fault.

Draco
01-28-2011, 01:51 PM
Okay, first difference: 100% of flops are flops. What % of fouls are constituted by "When a player jumps into an opposing player while in the act of shooting"? 15%? 5%? 25%? In any case, most fouls actually are fouls, and by trying to make a parallel analogy between one particular type of mistaken foul call and flopping - which by definition, if a call is made, is ALWAYS 100% mistaken - is a piss poor comparison, and completely false logic.

100% of examples of 'extended leg technique' is an artificial means of creating contact in same way that flops artificially create contact. Kicking out your leg and calling that a 'technique' doesn't make it any more legit than a flop.



Second difference: There is an inherent "pressure" between offensive players and defensive players. "Put pressure on the ball". "Put pressure on the defense by attacking the basket". Etc. We hear expressions like this all the time because they're descriptive of the tension, within the flow of the game, between the offense and defense. And generally speaking, players who get to the line a lot have a knack for pressuring their defenders in particular ways which draw contact.

If you say so.. flopping and initiating contact driving to the hoop are all the same to me. Calling it 'a knack' doesn't convince me otherwise.




Billups is a great example. It ain't as if his first step is explosive or anything. But his 3 is dangerous, and he's strong, so when he posts up, his defenders tend to play him close, because they're not worried about him blowing by them, they're worried about him stepping back. And whether you like it or not, as a defender, playing the guy with the ball too closely is a defensive risk, because it increases the likelihood of contact in the act of shooting. And players like Chauncey have a keen understanding of how to play their defender in a way that pretty much tricks them into ****ing up. That's not acting. That's not fake, BS melodramatics.

It might not be.. it might actually be a legit foul in some cases. But when I see a player jump into the opposing player that's not the same as getting hit on the wrist or arm. It's tantamount to flopping.



It's crafty basketball play which outsmarts the opponent. (To give a contrasting example from the Nuggets, Chris Andersen is the worst in the world at getting duped time after time and biting on every single head fake that gets thrown his way - and that's his fault, and when he gets called it's to the credit of the offensive player who suckered him into jumping into the air in the first place).

You're a good writer.



Anyhow, this is totally 100% apples and oranges. I blame myself for allowing you to even let me get drawn into comparing such completely different things in the first place. Rose's flaws are not my fault.

Shame on you then.

DenButsu
01-28-2011, 02:05 PM
100% of examples of 'extended leg technique' is an artificial means of creating contact in same way that flops artificially create contact. Kicking out your leg and calling that a 'technique' doesn't make it any more legit than a flop.



If you say so.. flopping and initiating contact driving to the hoop are all the same to me. Calling it 'a knack' doesn't convince me otherwise.




It might not be.. it might actually be a legit foul in some cases. But when I see a player jump into the opposing player that's not the same as getting hit on the wrist or arm. It's tantamount to flopping.



You're a good writer.



Shame on you then.

It's 3 a.m. here. I'm going to bed now. But get over it, man.

If you think drawing fouls equates to flopping, you are simply - and factually - and objectively - wrong.

Sorry. But it's just the damn truth. A small percentage of fouls are "extended leg" or "jumping into". You're deliberately exaggerating those in a lame attempt to pretend that all fouls are false foul calls.

It's really not complicated:

Most fouls are real fouls. (A small % are bull****).

All flops are bull****. (100%).

To equate the two? Also 100% bull****. :/

Draco
01-28-2011, 02:13 PM
It's 3 a.m. here. I'm going to bed now. But get over it, man.

If you think drawing fouls equates to flopping, you are simply - and factually - and objectively - wrong.

Sorry. But it's just the damn truth. A small percentage of fouls are "extended leg" or "jumping into". You're deliberately exaggerating those in a lame attempt to pretend that all fouls are false foul calls.

It's really not complicated:

Most fouls are real fouls. (A small % are bull****).

All flops are bull****. (100%).

To equate the two? Also 100% bull****. :/

Or Durant's raking his arms through the defender, there are plenty of examples. I don't think that all fouls are false fouls, I never stated that, I never implied that and it's not a point I'd want to make. I think it's funny how people complain about flopping and praise 'techniques' like Durant's arm rake thing and the extended leg thing.. when it's all the same thing. That's was all I wanted to get out there. Nice try on trying to impugn my motive.

DenButsu
01-28-2011, 02:17 PM
Or Durant's raking his arms through the defender, there are plenty of examples. I don't think that all fouls are false fouls, I never stated that, I never implied that and it's not a point I'd want to make. I think it's funny how people complain about flopping and praise 'techniques' like Durant's arm rake thing and the extended leg thing.. when it's all the same thing. That's was all I wanted to get out there. Nice try on trying to impugn my motive.

Oh, give me a break, and don't be so damn disingenuous.

Your ENTIRE point was to equate drawing fouls with flopping in an attempt to invalidate criticisms of Rose not getting to the line enough.

Draco
01-28-2011, 02:19 PM
Oh, give me a break, and don't be so damn disingenuous.

Your ENTIRE point was to equate drawing fouls with flopping in an attempt to invalidate criticisms of Rose not getting to the line enough.

Alright dude, believe what you want to believe lol

DenButsu
01-28-2011, 02:23 PM
Alright dude, believe what you want to believe lol

Are you saying I'm wrong? Okay, then... Why did you -- and it was off topic to do so by the way -- introduce the notion into this thread that drawing fouls is the same as flopping (Oh, and you just so happened to do so after EXTENSIVE discussions here in which you have adamantly defended Rose against criticisms of him not getting to the line enough).

Really? You're gonna claim I'm wrong? The point you're making is all too transparent. There's a difference between believing what I want to believe, and observing what I actually have, in fact, observed.

Draco
01-28-2011, 02:30 PM
Are you saying I'm wrong? Okay, then... Why did you -- and it was off topic to do so by the way -- introduce the notion into this thread that drawing fouls is the same as flopping (Oh, and you just so happened to do so after EXTENSIVE discussions here in which you have adamantly defended Rose against criticisms of him not getting to the line enough).

Really? You're gonna claim I'm wrong? The point you're making is all too transparent. There's a difference between believing what I want to believe, and observing what I actually have, in fact, observed.

Let's just say that I got the impression after several of your own posts that you don't care for flopping and that I know your position on driving to the hoop and creating artificial contact. There's something in that that I thought was funny.

Hawkeye15
01-28-2011, 03:04 PM
I tend to side with Draco here, though it doesn't fit the term flopping. I absolutely hate how Kevin Martin, Chauncey Billups, or Kevin Durant do that crap where they just flail into the arms of the defender, and get a call. Its ridiculous, and the offensive VERSION of flopping, though the definitions differ.
I guess we can all agree that no matter how you see them, both are annoying, tasteless ways to get things done.

John Walls Era
01-28-2011, 04:09 PM
:laugh: To be fair, Dirk put his arm pit in AKs face.... maybe AK didn't like the smell.

DenButsu
01-29-2011, 01:06 AM
I tend to side with Draco here, though it doesn't fit the term flopping. I absolutely hate how Kevin Martin, Chauncey Billups, or Kevin Durant do that crap where they just flail into the arms of the defender, and get a call. Its ridiculous, and the offensive VERSION of flopping, though the definitions differ.
I guess we can all agree that no matter how you see them, both are annoying, tasteless ways to get things done.

But even if you concede that some fouls are drawn by "offensive flopping" (if we're calling it that now - and I'd argue that they constitute only a small percentage of all fouls), you still know better than to extrapolate that into "ALL fouls drawn are flops", which is essentially the notion that Draco is pushing by equating getting to the foul line with flopping.

The empirical evidence is there to suggest that drawing fouls is at the very least, if not a "skill" (although I do think it is), a function of playing aggressively.

Okay, so here are the top 10 players in the league in free throw attempts (with at least 25 mpg, 5 FTAs per game, and 6 FTAs per 36 minutes):


Player FT FTA
Dwight Howard 6.7 11.4
Kevin Martin 8.9 10.1
Dwyane Wade 6.7 9.1
Blake Griffin 5.2 8.4
LeBron James 6.5 8.4
Carmelo Anthony 6.5 8.1
Kobe Bryant 6.6 8.1
Kevin Durant 7.2 8.1
R. Westbrook 7 8.1
A. Stoudemire 6.1 7.8


...and here are the top 10 players in at-rim field goal attempts (w/ at least 20 games, 25 mpg):


Player Name M A
Carmelo Anthony 4.2 8.2
Zach Randolph 4.6 7.5
R. Westbrook 4.1 7.4
Carlos Boozer 5.1 7.3
Dwyane Wade 4.7 7.3
Nene Hilario 5.4 7.2
Blake Griffin 4.8 6.9
A. Stoudemire 4.2 6.7
Tony Parker 4.4 6.7
Dwight Howard 4.7 6.4


In my opinion it's definitely significant that 6 of the 10 names on each list appear both, as evidence of getting to the penalty stripe being largely a function of attacking the rim. I'd imagine if such lists were made for every season we'd find a similar positive correlation between a basket-attacking style of play and the number of free throw attempts.

Which is all to say that while "offensive flopping" may exist, Draco is greatly overexaggerating its overall impact when he equates the ability to get to the line with flopping.

Draco
01-29-2011, 01:18 AM
In my opinion it's definitely significant that 6 of the 10 names on each list appear both, as evidence of getting to the penalty stripe being largely a function of attacking the rim. I'd imagine if such lists were made for every season we'd find a similar positive correlation between a basket-attacking style of play and the number of free throw attempts.

Neat stats but isn't that conventional basketball wisdom.. the closer you get to the basket the more jerseys you're going to see... the more congestion in the paint the greater the chances of someone committing a foul...



Which is all to say that while "offensive flopping" may exist, Draco is greatly overexaggerating its overall impact when he equates the ability to get to the line with flopping.

weird.. I never commented on the frequency of any kind of flopping, offensive or otherwise. All I did was make a small joke about people complaining about flopping but being ok with "offensive flopping"

Kyle N.
01-29-2011, 03:09 AM
I don't know if this has already been posted, but this is clearly the winner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edb6bz_C9ms

Mplsman
01-29-2011, 03:31 AM
The Kirilenko one is amongst the worst I've ever seen.

DenButsu
01-30-2011, 01:39 AM
Neat stats but isn't that conventional basketball wisdom.. the closer you get to the basket the more jerseys you're going to see... the more congestion in the paint the greater the chances of someone committing a foul...



weird.. I never commented on the frequency of any kind of flopping, offensive or otherwise. All I did was make a small joke about people complaining about flopping but being ok with "offensive flopping"

"Joke" or not... the basic "point" you were making was that the ability to draw fouls is equivalent to flopping. And that's completely consistent with your longstanding defenses against the criticisms of Rose's inability to get to the foul line, and arguments against drawing fouls as a "skill". If you want to pretend otherwise, be my guess, but as I said before, it would be disingenuous of you to do so. And it seems to me that the reason you're trying to do so now is because it's pretty obvious that you're just plain wrong.

TO Rapz
01-30-2011, 02:02 AM
http://i.imgur.com/dXJkq.gif

:laugh:

TO Rapz
01-30-2011, 02:03 AM
I don't know if this has already been posted, but this is clearly the winner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edb6bz_C9ms

no..he actually kicked him..

Draco
01-30-2011, 03:33 AM
"Joke" or not... the basic "point" you were making was that the ability to draw fouls is equivalent to flopping.

You keep perverting the point that I've clarified several times and telling me that I'm disingenuous for it. lol

More specifically, you keep steering the context of the joke I made into something having to do with Rose. Fine, lets talk about Rose.. I think he draws a lot of fouls that aren't called and by the rules they should be called. Look them up for yourself and let me know why I'm wrong. If a player is going to "force the official to make a call" by driving through the defender to get to the basket; I'm actually fine with that. I have no problem with that style of play. But it's a joke that the officiating favors that style over Rose's style.. and it's a really bad joke that the officiating acknowledges "offensive flopping" over Rose's style.. ie, such as the crap illustrated in my sig.

FWIW, I have no problem with a player pump faking to "lull a defender" into making a mistake like jumping into the offensive player when the offensive player is simply jumping straight up to make a jump shot.

But to drone on about pressure between offense and defense and the offensive player craftily claiming space by lulling the defender.. puhleaze. If I were to buy that premise, those movements would happen so fast the refs would miss it. Hell, they can't see how Rose is fouled. Fouls need to be obvious. In fact, it sometimes gets so bad that players know if they make it really obvious they can get the foul call; ie flopping..



And that's completely consistent with your longstanding defenses against the criticisms of Rose's inability to get to the foul line, and arguments against drawing fouls as a "skill". If you want to pretend otherwise, be my guess, but as I said before, it would be disingenuous of you to do so. And it seems to me that the reason you're trying to do so now is because it's pretty obvious that you're just plain wrong.

blah blah blah.. obviously you have your biases where my posts are concerned.

YoungOne
02-09-2011, 06:37 PM
they should penalize it after the game if its obvious, like 1 game suspension or something like that, cause fines wouldnt help..

the_jon
02-09-2011, 06:59 PM
manu is a flop great. so is 75 % of every other nba players. my beef isnt that. its you point out only spurs like were the only ones that do it when every other nba player does it, thats my point.
Manu is the leagues most notorious flopper so I would shut up right about now.