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Knick_Fever
01-14-2011, 09:35 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6023180

Carmelo Anthony's "ultimate dream" would be to play in New York, the Denver Nuggets forward said Friday in an interview with ESPN's Colleen Dominguez.

Anthony and his wife, LaLa Vazquez, are from the area and have strong ties to Brooklyn.

"That's like the ultimate dream at the end of the day," Anthony said. "Who wouldn't want to go back home to play?"

Anthony stopped short of saying he wanted to play for the New York Knicks or the New Jersey Nets, who will move into a new arena in Brooklyn in 2012.

"I don't know, it's tough for me to answer that question," Anthony said when asked where he wants to play next year. "It's tough for me to sit here and say, 'Oh, I want to play in New York' [or] 'Oh, I want to play in New Jersey' [or] 'Oh, I want to say here [in Denver].' "

Anthony admitted he's had a difficult time dealing with all of the trade rumors.

"It's kind of hard for me to even watch sports right now," Anthony said. "That's all they're talking about right now."

He added, " I haven't had a good night's sleep since Thanksgiving."

Anthony said he was surprised when the Nets emerged as possible trade partners with the Nuggets.

"I [had] never really thought about the New Jersey Nets," he said, before allowing that he has susbsequently considered the possibility.

"I see what the future holds, they'll move into Brooklyn. ... Me going back home to Brooklyn, opening that arena, I think about all that stuff."


But Anthony also said, "I haven't even thought about [signing an extention with the Nets]."

If the the Nets do trade for Anthony, they would likely want assurances he would sign the three-year, $65 million extension he left on the table with the Nuggets. If not, he would become a free agent after the season.

Anthony refused to say he would sign an extension with another team, saying "I have to weigh everything, all the options."

As for speculation his preference is to play for the Knicks, Anthony said the assumption originated from last season when the Nuggets were playing at Madison Square Garden and he said: "Who wouldn't love to play in one of the greatest arenas in the world?"

He also thinks the Knicks speculation was fueled in part by events at his wedding in New York this summer.

"It got out the next day that me and [New Orleans Hornets guard] Chris Paul were supposed to be in New York," Anthony said of the infamous toast that Paul reportedly made, but Anthony downplayed it, saying it was all in jest.

"It was a lot of laughter, a lot of joking, no one took it serious."

Anthony described himself as being in a "lose-lose situation." He said no matter where he chooses to play, he'll disappoint the fans of a team he doesn't choose.

Anthony said while he's been able to stay focused on basketball, he's aware of the magnitude of the looming decision.

"Any decision I make is the biggest decision of my life," Anthony said. "It'll carry on and it'll follow me for the rest of my life, too."

"[This decision] will define my legacy."

He did say he won't emulate LeBron James' process, in which the former Cleveland Cavaliers star announced on "The Decision" on ESPN he was taking his talents to South Beach to play for the Miami Heat.

"I will not do it that way," Anthony said, before adding "as far as his decision, I support him, that's one of my close friends."

Anthony took exception to the idea he wanted out of Denver, disagreeing with that characterization. He says he holds Denver in high regard and cares about Nuggets fans.

"I was able to step right in and live up to the expectations," Anthony said of joining the Nuggets as a rookie from Syracuse.

Denver won 17 games in 2002-03, but in 2003-04 Anthony led the Nuggets to the playoffs, and they've been in the postseason every season since.

Anthony thinks he'll be traded before the deadline if he doesn't sign the extension with the Nuggets.

Anthony said he is concerned about the expiring collective bargaining agreement and the effect it could have on his financial stability.

He said the new CBA is "the most important thing right now" as he weighs his future options. He would risk losing millions of dollars by entering free agency under a new agreement, which is likely to have a lower ceiling for player salaries.

Ultimately, Anthony said playing for a winner is more important than money.

"That gold ball is what everybody wants," he said of the NBA Finals championship trophy.

Where in NY though?

chicago lulz
01-14-2011, 09:37 PM
i would say ny or nj

AirCanada15ORL
01-14-2011, 09:40 PM
if he goes to New York there is my new NBA 2k11 team.

John Walls Era
01-14-2011, 09:44 PM
"Anthony and his wife, LaLa Vazquez, are from the area and have strong ties to Brooklyn."

Brooklyn Nets....

Robbw241
01-14-2011, 09:48 PM
So.Many.Melo.Threads

John Walls Era
01-14-2011, 09:48 PM
BTW are people going to give him the Lebron treatment?

NYK_kidd77
01-14-2011, 09:56 PM
BTW are people going to give him the Lebron treatment?

Probably, at least Lebron left to go win championships if Melo goes to NJ its a different story.

John Walls Era
01-14-2011, 10:01 PM
Probably, at least Lebron left to go win championships if Melo goes to NJ its a different story.

But hes the face of the history of the Brooklyn Nets. They'll call him the first star player of that franchise.

kblo247
01-14-2011, 10:02 PM
Brooklyn is located in New York last time I checked a map ;)

godolphins
01-14-2011, 10:03 PM
He'll end up with the Nets :D

Giraffes Rule
01-14-2011, 10:05 PM
BTW are people going to give him the Lebron treatment?

I won't. I have no problem with him refusing to sign an extension with a team he doesn't want to play for. If he wants to play for the Knicks, more power to him. He's been professional and let ownership know that he won't be signing an extension or resigning with the Nuggets. Lebron didn't do any of those things, then made an hour long special out of it to further feed his ego.

JerseysFinest
01-14-2011, 10:09 PM
why do ppl act like its impossible for him to win a championship in NJ? If the Nets play their cards right and find homes for their long-term deals (Outlaw especially) and possibly buyout Rip in '12, Nets can sign CP, and who knows if by then the Nets have acquired complementary guys. Anything is possible.

210Don
01-14-2011, 10:09 PM
whos dream isnt to play for the knicks? lol

kblo247
01-14-2011, 10:10 PM
Probably, at least Lebron left to go win championships if Melo goes to NJ its a different story.

No. He won't get the same treatment because Melo has made no comments or fuss at all over his trade or leaving in the public, let alone held a sitcom for his decision. The media has done it but he isn't holding press conferences after games talking about other teams and other cities like LeBron did in his last year with the Cavs. He also hasn't strung Denver alone giving them false hope that he can stay and killing their cap by asking for guys who he likes.

Also, how is Amare going to Jersey any worse than Amare going to the Knicks? The Nets have been far more relevant over the past decade, have had better management, and unlike Amare he would at least be signing on with a roster he knows is in place. Please don't have a double standard when you and I both know Melo signing off on the Nets is actually better and more reasonable than Amare signing with the Knicks this past offseason as it pertains to winning

Ray_R
01-14-2011, 10:12 PM
BTW are people going to give him the Lebron treatment?


I won't. I have no problem with him refusing to sign an extension with a team he doesn't want to play for. If he wants to play for the Knicks, more power to him. He's been professional and let ownership know that he won't be signing an extension or resigning with the Nuggets. Lebron didn't do any of those things, then made an hour long special out of it to further feed his ego.

This

carnage101
01-14-2011, 10:14 PM
it's fairly obvious he will be a knick just at what cost

godolphins
01-14-2011, 10:17 PM
You should rename this thread: Carmello Anthony: "To play in the city of NY is an ultimate dream"

kblo247
01-14-2011, 10:23 PM
Except he never said city. He talked about Brooklyn and that he grew up there and would be the first great player to be a Brooklyn Net.

Kashmir13579
01-14-2011, 10:26 PM
he's not even "thinking about [signing with the Nets]"

/thread

faze38
01-14-2011, 10:27 PM
why do ppl act like its impossible for him to win a championship in NJ? If the Nets play their cards right and find homes for their long-term deals (Outlaw especially) and possibly buyout Rip in '12, Nets can sign CP, and who knows if by then the Nets have acquired complementary guys. Anything is possible.

Ok let's be honest here do you really think rip is going to agree to a buy out during a contract year at the end of his career heck no! So basically that Nets will only have Melo for the next couple years with no cap! That doesn't sound like championship teams to me. By the time they can surrond him with real talent he will be 30 or older! He is much better of going to the Knicks were there is a true star waiting for him and cap once CP3, Dwight and D.Will are available.

young eastwood
01-14-2011, 10:29 PM
"Anthony and his wife, LaLa Vazquez, are from the area and have strong ties to Brooklyn."

Brooklyn Nets....

It's kind of overblown to bring up having "strong ties" to Brooklyn. New York City is smaller than many people think. Madison Square Garden (Manhattan) is only 4 miles from the Barclays Center (Brooklyn). Its not exactly the Clipps and the Lakers but C'mon. I'm from Brooklyn by the way.

bklynny67
01-14-2011, 10:45 PM
His "ULTIMATE DREAM" is to play for the KNICKS! He will be a Knick next season one way or another. They have a good young team there and he knows it. It will also give him a much better chance at winning a championship having Amar'e, Felton, and Chandler and/or Gallo. Who are the Nets gonna have after this trade? Melo won't have Favors there who's a promising young player who could be great. Plus 2 future 1 round picks. They are still gonna suck. I don't see him signing that extension to be on a losing team for the next 5 yrs when he has the chance to fulfill his "ultimate dream" and at the same time have a chance to compete for a championship. The Knicks are 6th in the East right now and only 3 games out of the 3rd seed. With him, they are definately top 4, and they could end up being right behind MIA and BOS at number 3.

Plus at the end of the article, "Ultimately, Anthony said playing for a winner is more important than money"

That means the Knicks. He doesn't care about the 65 million offer. He's still gonna get a ton of money from the Knicks and they are in a much better position to win if they keep their guys and sign him after the season. The Nets are giving up too much and Melo won't wanna play with a bunch of scrubs.

He'll be a Knick next season

HouRealCoach
01-14-2011, 10:52 PM
Knicks have a much better history so they will draw more stars... They draft better... also, "Amare Stoudemire"

He will be much better than Brook Lopez when it comes to facing against Dwight Howard

WeAreClutch
01-14-2011, 10:53 PM
this is assie

oak2455
01-14-2011, 11:02 PM
Ok let's be honest here do you really think rip is going to agree to a buy out during a contract year at the end of his career heck no! So basically that Nets will only have Melo for the next couple years with no cap! That doesn't sound like championship teams to me. By the time they can surrond him with real talent he will be 30 or older! He is much better of going to the Knicks were there is a true star waiting for him and cap once CP3, Dwight and D.Will are available.

I agree with everything good post:D

cchrisc773
01-14-2011, 11:03 PM
What Melo wants and gets means little right now. If he somehow landed in Orlando, Dallas or LA ( Lakers.) He would sign and extension in a heartbeat no matter how much he loves New York. Carmelo above all wants to win a ring...

So, yes if he holds out until he is a FA then New York is the front Favorite; keeping that in mind though, the Nuggets are going to trade him. They need to get something back rather then nothing.


Knicks are low on that list when it comes to teams Denver has interest in dealing him too. However, the only other teams he would agree to extend long term may be the 3 teams above in a trade.

Crackadalic
01-14-2011, 11:03 PM
Idk why he bullshittin. Just say "trade me to the knicks or im walking in free agency" Loyalty is overrated let the guy go where he wants to go

kblo247
01-14-2011, 11:04 PM
His "ULTIMATE DREAM" is to play for the KNICKS! He will be a Knick next season one way or another. They have a good young team there and he knows it. It will also give him a much better chance at winning a championship having Amar'e, Felton, and Chandler and/or Gallo. Who are the Nets gonna have after this trade? Melo won't have Favors there who's a promising young player who could be great. Plus 2 future 1 round picks. They are still gonna suck. I don't see him signing that extension to be on a losing team for the next 5 yrs when he has the chance to fulfill his "ultimate dream" and at the same time have a chance to compete for a championship. The Knicks are 6th in the East right now and only 3 games out of the 3rd seed. With him, they are definately top 4, and they could end up being right behind MIA and BOS at number 3.

Plus at the end of the article, "Ultimately, Anthony said playing for a winner is more important than money"

That means the Knicks. He doesn't care about the 65 million offer. He's still gonna get a ton of money from the Knicks and they are in a much better position to win if they keep their guys and sign him after the season. The Nets are giving up too much and Melo won't wanna play with a bunch of scrubs.

He'll be a Knick next season

Knicks fans do know they too will be cap strapped with Amare making a higher salary and if they have to match a high offer for Chandler right? Perhaps even too strapped for Melo under the new CBA

jimm120
01-14-2011, 11:08 PM
It's kind of overblown to bring up having "strong ties" to Brooklyn. New York City is smaller than many people think. Madison Square Garden (Manhattan) is only 4 miles from the Barclays Center (Brooklyn). Its not exactly the Clipps and the Lakers but C'mon. I'm from Brooklyn by the way.

Yeah. People don't realize that the "NY" that is shown and talked about is pretty much:

Manhattan, Brooklyn, much of queens, and The Bronx. And if you really look at a map, those 4 places are EXTREMELY close to each other and are just the tips.

I grew up in Brooklyn and quite honestly, all of these places are together.

Though having "strong ties to Brooklyn" is always important. You know there is a little bit of "x place is better" over in NY. I remember talking about how Queens is so boring and The Bronx was the ****hole of NY (along with upper Manhattan), so it'd be cool to "bring Brooklyn as the Definite #2" of the city (though It already is:D ).

But at the same time, its still "the nets" in the end. Really.

metsfanssince05
01-14-2011, 11:11 PM
Brooklyn is in NY so...

dtmagnet
01-14-2011, 11:16 PM
You just shouldn't say these things while under contract, I do not like this guy.

cchrisc773
01-14-2011, 11:21 PM
His "ULTIMATE DREAM" is to play for the KNICKS! He will be a Knick next season one way or another. They have a good young team there and he knows it. It will also give him a much better chance at winning a championship having Amar'e, Felton, and Chandler and/or Gallo. Who are the Nets gonna have after this trade? Melo won't have Favors there who's a promising young player who could be great. Plus 2 future 1 round picks. They are still gonna suck. I don't see him signing that extension to be on a losing team for the next 5 yrs when he has the chance to fulfill his "ultimate dream" and at the same time have a chance to compete for a championship. The Knicks are 6th in the East right now and only 3 games out of the 3rd seed. With him, they are definately top 4, and they could end up being right behind MIA and BOS at number 3.

Plus at the end of the article, "Ultimately, Anthony said playing for a winner is more important than money"

That means the Knicks. He doesn't care about the 65 million offer. He's still gonna get a ton of money from the Knicks and they are in a much better position to win if they keep their guys and sign him after the season. The Nets are giving up too much and Melo won't wanna play with a bunch of scrubs.

He'll be a Knick next season


You know because how???? Oh, you and Melo are best friends and he Tweets you everyday....

When Melo is traded, the rumors to Knicks will end with it. Since, the only way he is traded is if he agree's to and contract extension. What may play in the Nuggets favor is this new CBA. Will Melo leave 30+ million to fulfill a dream to play on the Knicks??? I don't believe that one freaking bit.


Also, you speak of History. Well, they don't have Celtic or Laker history; moreover, recent History of the Knicks. ( Last 10 seasons or so is not something to be proud of.)


2. They play in a dilapidated arena. Hands down the worse Arena in the NBA.

LBJ was suppose to be a Knick this season and how did that play out for you guys? I like the fact the Knicks are semi relevant again; however, crawl before you run. Current History, as I am typing this right now, it appears Melo will be traded this season. It also appears that there is zero chance they will send him to the Knicks this season. The Knicks want the Grizzlies to dump Mayo to help them out, well LOL. What do the Grizzlies get out of this deal? I get what the Nuggets and Knicks would get; However, ithas to fit all parties. Especially if you are trying to drag the Grizzlies in to help you guys. ( Trading away a guy who was a lottery pick not long ago and will be a future star in the league.)

The Nets without a doubt have the best package to offer the Nuggets, since they want youth and Picks. The only reason that trade has not happen is Melo; however, it's his lack of interest to play for the Nets more then his interest to play for the Knicks.

He is not a fool. The Nets will be in total rebuild mode and he is not excited about that at all. I hear the Howard and CP3 to the Nets could make that a selling point; however, Orlando already has a very good team locked up long term and Howard is playing in the best Arena in the NBA currently hands down. He is also playing for a team that has been a contender the last 3-4 season. So, why would Howard leave? Global market LOL? 1 word overrated. If you don't believe me ask TIM Duncan in San Antonio or Yao Ming in Houston. You don't have to play in NYC or LA to get global attention or more endorsements. Heck, Kevin Durant does very well for himself in OKC.

I believe Grant Hill did just find back in the day in Detroit as Howard is doing fine with those endorsements in Orlando.


My guess is, If Melo does not agree to a trade to the NETS. The Nuggets are not knocking on the Knicks door. They have been there done that. They Knocked on the door, looked in the window and walked away. Face it, the Knicks don't have anything that is of interest to the Nuggets. Zero, which is sad and I honestly feel for the Knicks on this one.

Teams you should not count out if Nets deal does not happen, or as I would like to say when Melo says "NO" to and extension with them.

Orlando- They have a few picks, a nice expiring contract in J. Richardson, Brandon Bass, JJ. Redick, R. Anderson, J. Nelson, C. Duhon, Q, Richardson, E. Clark and the draft rights to Fran Vasquez. Orlando's 2005 Round 1 pick currently playing in Spain.

Mavs- They have a few guys they could also offer. I can see them getting very aggressive now that they lost Butler for the season and Dangle everyone not named Dirk.

Lakers- Well, for starters. They have picks, they could dangle Bynum, Shannon Brown, and pretty much everyone not named Kobe or Gasol.

Ideally. The Nets package is the one the Nuggets want, sadly, it's the last place "Melo" wants to take his talents. ( No Pun Intended Lebron. :)

Melo to the Knicks would be great and the power to the East from the West would continue to swing. However, if I am a Knicks fan I would not hold my breath right now. The only way again the Nuggets will be able to trade him is if he is willing to extend a contract with the team he is being traded too.


If. Option A falls off the table. ( Nets) Option B will be in full force. ( Magic, Lakers and Mavs.)

Just my 2 Cents.

AddiX
01-14-2011, 11:27 PM
You just shouldn't say these things while under contract, I do not like this guy.

He never said anything until now, and the reason he said it is because Denver is trying to force him to NJ. He's giving Denver nothing but time to work a deal with NY.

What else can he do? he's giving them 8 years and told them before the season he wanted to leave.

I think Melo has been more than fair to the fans and to the management.

cchrisc773
01-14-2011, 11:34 PM
He never said anything until now, and the reason he said it is because Denver is trying to force him to NJ. He's giving Denver nothing but time to work a deal with NY.

What else can he do? he's giving them 8 years and told them before the season he wanted to leave.

I think Melo has been more than fair to the fans and to the management.


Here is my only issue with this whole mess. The Nuggets future should not be handcuffed by Carmelo Anthony's desires. He is in the NBA and is suppose to be a professional. How these plays have been handcuffing teams the last few seasons is getting out of hand.

Shaq did it in Los Angeles.

Kobe did it in Los Angeles. Until that BS trade they did with Memphis for Gasol shut him up.

LBJ- Well, his problem was IMO. He knew his intentions, however, was not very honest with the Cavs front office. ( IF he was he would have pulled the same mess, Miami and nowhere else crap.)

Melo, IMO. Would have been smarter to keep his mouth shut like LBJ if he did not want to go down this path; however, after the LBJ mess I am sure the Nuggets did not want to see the ( Decision Part 2.)

Players need to honor there contract and in that contract Melo did not have a trade clause. So IMO, the Nuggets should be able to trade him without Melo crying about it.

cchrisc773
01-14-2011, 11:36 PM
He never said anything until now, and the reason he said it is because Denver is trying to force him to NJ. He's giving Denver nothing but time to work a deal with NY.

What else can he do? he's giving them 8 years and told them before the season he wanted to leave.

I think Melo has been more than fair to the fans and to the management.

In all honesty, they would send him anywhere at this point. Keeping that in mind though, the NEts are offering a pretty darn nice package for him. The Nuggets are more worried about there future then Melo going to NY. I mean if you where the owner of the Nuggets. Would you just want Melo to be happy and send him to the team he wants, when in reality you have at least 10 other teams that could offer you more?

dodie53
01-14-2011, 11:51 PM
wake up melo
hehe

Tony_Starks
01-14-2011, 11:56 PM
People need to take emotion out of this. I know Knick fans are craving for him but in all reality he probably goes to Jersey. They have more assets to give in return. Denver wants no part of Gallo and Chandler. He goes to Jersey and gets paid, chills for a year and then sets it off in Brooklyn. Hanging around with Jay-Z, LaLa and Beyonce chillin courtside, and being the face of the franchise. A publicity and marketing dream but at the end of the day no rings......

Go_NUGGETS
01-15-2011, 12:01 AM
he's giving them 8 years and told them before the season he wanted to leave.

I think Melo has been more than fair to the fans and to the management.

Coming from a Knicks fan? Sure


Coming from a Nuggets fan? No.

Tony_Starks
01-15-2011, 12:07 AM
You know because how???? Oh, you and Melo are best friends and he Tweets you everyday....

When Melo is traded, the rumors to Knicks will end with it. Since, the only way he is traded is if he agree's to and contract extension. What may play in the Nuggets favor is this new CBA. Will Melo leave 30+ million to fulfill a dream to play on the Knicks??? I don't believe that one freaking bit.


Also, you speak of History. Well, they don't have Celtic or Laker history; moreover, recent History of the Knicks. ( Last 10 seasons or so is not something to be proud of.)


2. They play in a dilapidated arena. Hands down the worse Arena in the NBA.

LBJ was suppose to be a Knick this season and how did that play out for you guys? I like the fact the Knicks are semi relevant again; however, crawl before you run. Current History, as I am typing this right now, it appears Melo will be traded this season. It also appears that there is zero chance they will send him to the Knicks this season. The Knicks want the Grizzlies to dump Mayo to help them out, well LOL. What do the Grizzlies get out of this deal? I get what the Nuggets and Knicks would get; However, ithas to fit all parties. Especially if you are trying to drag the Grizzlies in to help you guys. ( Trading away a guy who was a lottery pick not long ago and will be a future star in the league.)

The Nets without a doubt have the best package to offer the Nuggets, since they want youth and Picks. The only reason that trade has not happen is Melo; however, it's his lack of interest to play for the Nets more then his interest to play for the Knicks.

He is not a fool. The Nets will be in total rebuild mode and he is not excited about that at all. I hear the Howard and CP3 to the Nets could make that a selling point; however, Orlando already has a very good team locked up long term and Howard is playing in the best Arena in the NBA currently hands down. He is also playing for a team that has been a contender the last 3-4 season. So, why would Howard leave? Global market LOL? 1 word overrated. If you don't believe me ask TIM Duncan in San Antonio or Yao Ming in Houston. You don't have to play in NYC or LA to get global attention or more endorsements. Heck, Kevin Durant does very well for himself in OKC.

I believe Grant Hill did just find back in the day in Detroit as Howard is doing fine with those endorsements in Orlando.


My guess is, If Melo does not agree to a trade to the NETS. The Nuggets are not knocking on the Knicks door. They have been there done that. They Knocked on the door, looked in the window and walked away. Face it, the Knicks don't have anything that is of interest to the Nuggets. Zero, which is sad and I honestly feel for the Knicks on this one.

Teams you should not count out if Nets deal does not happen, or as I would like to say when Melo says "NO" to and extension with them.

Orlando- They have a few picks, a nice expiring contract in J. Richardson, Brandon Bass, JJ. Redick, R. Anderson, J. Nelson, C. Duhon, Q, Richardson, E. Clark and the draft rights to Fran Vasquez. Orlando's 2005 Round 1 pick currently playing in Spain.

Mavs- They have a few guys they could also offer. I can see them getting very aggressive now that they lost Butler for the season and Dangle everyone not named Dirk.

Lakers- Well, for starters. They have picks, they could dangle Bynum, Shannon Brown, and pretty much everyone not named Kobe or Gasol.

Ideally. The Nets package is the one the Nuggets want, sadly, it's the last place "Melo" wants to take his talents. ( No Pun Intended Lebron. :)

Melo to the Knicks would be great and the power to the East from the West would continue to swing. However, if I am a Knicks fan I would not hold my breath right now. The only way again the Nuggets will be able to trade him is if he is willing to extend a contract with the team he is being traded too.


If. Option A falls off the table. ( Nets) Option B will be in full force. ( Magic, Lakers and Mavs.)

Just my 2 Cents.

:clap:

You're making way to much sense to be in here sir. I concure with all the above. It would be different if the Knicks had picks to throw into the deal but that TMac deal really screwed them out of the equation....

AddiX
01-15-2011, 12:28 AM
In all honesty, they would send him anywhere at this point. Keeping that in mind though, the NEts are offering a pretty darn nice package for him. The Nuggets are more worried about there future then Melo going to NY. I mean if you where the owner of the Nuggets. Would you just want Melo to be happy and send him to the team he wants, when in reality you have at least 10 other teams that could offer you more?

The thing is if there was no CBA nonsense he could leave them with nothing.

Denver is using that to hold him hostage to force him to play where he doesn't want to play.

It's not like he pulled a Bron and said bring me these pieces, I'm staying here. And than left them with nothing.

Melo has giving them all season to find a workable trade with the Knicks. Obviously if I was a denver fan I wouldn't be happy about him leaving. But after 8 years the guy has earned his right to choose where he wants to play. He's shows up to work, plays hard still, and has had 0 problems there.

Denver is inevitably forcing him to work somewhere for a contract that they won't be paying. That's nonsense if you ask me.

IBleedPurple
01-15-2011, 02:06 AM
The thing is if there was no CBA nonsense he could leave them with nothing.

Denver is using that to hold him hostage to force him to play where he doesn't want to play.

It's not like he pulled a Bron and said bring me these pieces, I'm staying here. And than left them with nothing.

Melo has giving them all season to find a workable trade with the Knicks. Obviously if I was a denver fan I wouldn't be happy about him leaving. But after 8 years the guy has earned his right to choose where he wants to play. He's shows up to work, plays hard still, and has had 0 problems there.

Denver is inevitably forcing him to work somewhere for a contract that they won't be paying. That's nonsense if you ask me.

Enough with the poor Melo crap.

-Denver isn't forcing him to do anything. He doesn't have to sign one piece of paper. He is free to walk after the season, it would just cost him millions of dollars. He isn't a hostage here. He signed a contract, and is an employee.

-Do you know how a trade works? You go to another team. You don't have to ask the player if they have warm fuzzies about their new destination. If there is a S & T, yes.....but otherwise, no.

Bornknick73
01-15-2011, 02:07 AM
why do ppl act like its impossible for him to win a championship in NJ? If the Nets play their cards right and find homes for their long-term deals (Outlaw especially) and possibly buyout Rip in '12, Nets can sign CP, and who knows if by then the Nets have acquired complementary guys. Anything is possible.

Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Heres the problem or problems, Melo is 26, lets say for sake of argument this deal goes thru. You get Melo, Rip, Chauncey, and God forbid...Al Buckets.

Now you'll have

Lopez
AL
Melo
RIP
Chauncey

Whos gonna play D or rebound? Wheres your cap space to add to the roster till you get to Brooklyn? So basically its a reverse Knicks plan. We tanked 2 years to get the player. You'll have the player and tank for 2 years. Im not saying they wont win 12 games but they wont be a contender. Lopez plays soft, Al is a ball hog, Rip and Billups glory years are behind them.

RIp is at 12 mil for 2 more seasons, Billups will want his 14 mil extension or he walks and you have to extend Lopez. So 14+12+20= 46 million. Thats just 3 players and 2 of them are on the wrong side of 30 and arent what they once were. I wont even touch Al Buckets. Thats like another 10 mil on the books.

Realistically the Nets arent gonna compete for a title in the next 2 years with this roster. So youre asking Melo to give away 2 years of his prime until you can contend or try to contend. So now hes 28 with no guarantee of a championship roster, unless someone has a crystal ball.

The whole point of this drama was because he wants to play with the big boys( LA,MIA,BOS,ORL,SA) he wants a chance at a title.

Now on the other hand even trading 2 out of Will/Fields/Gallo the Knicks still have Amar'e, Felton and the rest of the cast of youngins. The Knicks go from a first round exit to possible 2nd round or possibly the Eastern Conference Finals even after a trade.

Amar'e, who btw has moved into the starting PF for the east Allstars, and Felton coupled with Melo is a potential championship core. This year he would join a Allstar bigman and a borderline allstar PG. Throw in our cap space for 2012 for DWill or CP3 and we will be fighting Miami every year to go to the Finals. It is true the Knicks would be on pace for their own big 3 if Melo joined our team. Deron or CP3 wouldnt be far behind, trust me.

Now this isnt crystal ball theory its a fact. Cap wise the math doesnt lie. The Knicks go from playoff contender to ECF hopeful with Anthony. Can NJ offer that? We still wont beat Miami/Bos/Orl without a good center but that puts us 1 major piece away from title contending. And he doesnt have to wait 2 years for your cap situation to clear and waste 2 years playing in a empty arena in newark. Yes even during the Kidd years attendance was horrible for a 2x defending EC champion squad. Ask Jason Kidd.

Bottomline, this trade kills your cap and youth for the next few years. Rip is old, Big Shot is even older and Lopez cant grab 10 rebounds a night. And if you take Harrington you might as well forget it. Cap ****ed for more then 2 years.

Its pretty simple, if he wants to win right now and go deep in the playoffs and compete with the big boys he plays for us. If he just wants his money and all that winning championships was ******** he'll play for NJ. The fact is Knicks= deep playoff run with Melo. Nets= possibly moving up out of the lottery.

Game_Over
01-15-2011, 02:10 AM
Enough with the poor Melo crap.

-Denver isn't forcing him to do anything. He doesn't have to sign one piece of paper. He is free to walk after the season, it would just cost him millions of dollars. He isn't a hostage here. He signed a contract, and is an employee.

-Do you know how a trade works? You go to another team. You don't have to ask the player if they have warm fuzzies about their new destination. If there is a S & T, yes.....but otherwise, no.

Wow there ya go, for the life of me I don't understand why there has to be 15 Melo threads. How I wish Den was still a mod!!

Bornknick73
01-15-2011, 02:16 AM
And as talented as Melo is Id rather have Tyson Chandler. We lead the league in scoring, we get killed on the boards and down low.

blahblahyoutoo
01-15-2011, 02:22 AM
"That's like the ultimate dream at the end of the day," Anthony said. "Who wouldn't want to go back home to play?"

he was in brooklyn for like 5 years. i bet he can't even name the street he lived on.

Bornknick73
01-15-2011, 02:25 AM
Here is my only issue with this whole mess. The Nuggets future should not be handcuffed by Carmelo Anthony's desires. He is in the NBA and is suppose to be a professional. How these plays have been handcuffing teams the last few seasons is getting out of hand.

Shaq did it in Los Angeles.

Kobe did it in Los Angeles. Until that BS trade they did with Memphis for Gasol shut him up.

LBJ- Well, his problem was IMO. He knew his intentions, however, was not very honest with the Cavs front office. ( IF he was he would have pulled the same mess, Miami and nowhere else crap.)

Melo, IMO. Would have been smarter to keep his mouth shut like LBJ if he did not want to go down this path; however, after the LBJ mess I am sure the Nuggets did not want to see the ( Decision Part 2.)

Players need to honor there contract and in that contract Melo did not have a trade clause. So IMO, the Nuggets should be able to trade him without Melo crying about it.

Im just curious, how is he not honoring his contract? Its funny how everything gets spilled on him when all he did was not sign his extension. The Nuggets assumed he wouldnt sign it and started this whole fiasco. Not once has he publicly stated he wanted to be traded. He implied his desire to play there is diminishing by not signing the extension. But at no time has he said he didnt want to be there. Denver assumed it and ran with it. Out of fear of the James situation they panicked. They didnt want to be left empty handed like the Cavs so they started looking for deals.

ALL THE MAN DID WAS NOT SIGN THE EXTENSION IN THE TIME FRAME THE NUGGETS WANTED. THE NUGGETS AND THE MEDIA ARE TO BLAME FOR ALL THIS NOT MELO.

For a few years James was publicly and blatantly flirting with other teams until Barkley told him to shut up and play for his team. If Barkley doesnt throw him under the bus publicly James would have been talking all season about getting out of there.

blahblahyoutoo
01-15-2011, 02:30 AM
Yeah. People don't realize that the "NY" that is shown and talked about is pretty much:

Manhattan, Brooklyn, much of queens, and The Bronx. And if you really look at a map, those 4 places are EXTREMELY close to each other and are just the tips.

I grew up in Brooklyn and quite honestly, all of these places are together.

Though having "strong ties to Brooklyn" is always important. You know there is a little bit of "x place is better" over in NY. I remember talking about how Queens is so boring and The Bronx was the ****hole of NY (along with upper Manhattan), so it'd be cool to "bring Brooklyn as the Definite #2" of the city (though It already is:D ).

But at the same time, its still "the nets" in the end. Really.

no offense but brooklyn (other than bay ridge, dumbo and a few other small neighborhoods) is a shithole.

Chronz
01-15-2011, 02:35 AM
I won't. I have no problem with him refusing to sign an extension with a team he doesn't want to play for. If he wants to play for the Knicks, more power to him. He's been professional and let ownership know that he won't be signing an extension or resigning with the Nuggets. Lebron didn't do any of those things, then made an hour long special out of it to further feed his ego.

Yea more players should follow Anthony's blueprint. Its more honorable to neglect your contractual duties. Totally professional. I mean he has a team of bums whereas Bron had stars galore right. LOL Give Bron Melos talent base and hes prolly still in Cleveland. But because Melos a lesser player its totally cool for him to want out and join NY, a team with just as much issues as the one your leaving.

Crackadalic
01-15-2011, 02:38 AM
Im just curious, how is he not honoring his contract? Its funny how everything gets spilled on him when all he did was not sign his extension. The Nuggets assumed he wouldnt sign it and started this whole fiasco. Not once has he publicly stated he wanted to be traded. He implied his desire to play there is diminishing by not signing the extension. But at no time has he said he didnt want to be there. Denver assumed it and ran with it. Out of fear of the James situation they panicked. They didnt want to be left empty handed like the Cavs so they started looking for deals.

ALL THE MAN DID WAS NOT SIGN THE EXTENSION IN THE TIME FRAME THE NUGGETS WANTED. THE NUGGETS AND THE MEDIA ARE TO BLAME FOR ALL THIS NOT MELO.

For a few years James was publicly and blatantly flirting with other teams until Barkley told him to shut up and play for his team. If Barkley doesnt throw him under the bus publicly James would have been talking all season about getting out of there.


Thank you:clap: Melo never really said he wanted to be traded. Its the media that blew it up because well its their jobs to makes something little and blow it up to epic proportions

He had the choice to sign the extension or not but chose not to and its his fault that he chose not too?

If Adam Morrison decided to not sign an extension will all the media attention fall on the so called "Next larry Bird"?

Obviously im being sarcastic for those who are really slow. Point is until melo straight up says he wants to be traded to such and such then everything we here is just ********

Chronz
01-15-2011, 02:44 AM
No. He won't get the same treatment because Melo has made no comments or fuss at all over his trade or leaving in the public, let alone held a sitcom for his decision.
Hes also not honoring his contract and is playing well beneath his abilities (watch him go off once hes traded). Alienating his teammates and causing a season long distraction. Bron let it be known he would handle it in due time.


The media has done it but he isn't holding press conferences after games talking about other teams and other cities like LeBron did in his last year with the Cavs.

LMFAO yes because saying NY would be the ultimate dream is totally not talking about other teams. His fans are just booing him because hes been so honorable.


He also hasn't strung Denver alone giving them false hope that he can stay and killing their cap by asking for guys who he likes.
WTF?

Chronz
01-15-2011, 02:48 AM
He never said anything until now, and the reason he said it is because Denver is trying to force him to NJ. He's giving Denver nothing but time to work a deal with NY.

What else can he do? he's giving them 8 years and told them before the season he wanted to leave.

I think Melo has been more than fair to the fans and to the management.
Denver is trying to trade him to NJ because they can offer the best package. Melo is the one holding it up because hes not sold on them yet.

What else can he do? How about staying in Denver for one last run and going for a sign and trade in the offseason.

What Melo is and isnt saying is up for speculation, just because hes not saying everything publicly doesnt mean hes not talking. I highly doubt Denver would be trying to move him if they werent sure about his intentions.

D Roses Bulls
01-15-2011, 02:50 AM
I love how in the interview he says it would be the ultimate dream to play at home. If im not mistaken, melo lived in brooklyn till he was 7 and moved to maryland. went to college in Syracuse for a year. I mean damn I lived in florida just as long as he lived in brooklyn but i don't consider florida my home. I think it's more his wife then anything.

J4KOP99
01-15-2011, 03:04 AM
I love how in the interview he says it would be the ultimate dream to play at home. If im not mistaken, melo lived in brooklyn till he was 7 and moved to maryland. went to college in Syracuse for a year. I mean damn I lived in florida just as long as he lived in brooklyn but i don't consider florida my home. I think it's more his wife then anything.

How are you gonna tell someone where they should call "home"

D Roses Bulls
01-15-2011, 03:16 AM
How are you gonna tell someone where they should call "home"

well you live 7 years in new york, 11 in maryland, 1 in Syracuse, and 8 in denver, but yeah I guess how someone could call new york home. :rolleyes:

NYKalltheway
01-15-2011, 05:57 AM
When Melo talks about Brooklyn I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean the Nets, but if the Knicks can't meet his demands he will consider them heavily. I don't know much of the New York city geography, but can't he live in Brooklyn if he's a Knicks player? Do Nets monopolize Brooklyn just because they move there? I don't even think the Nets will attract too many people from the surrounding area if they don't sign Melo or at least have a superstar on their roster. Knicks are just getting better and better starting from July 2010 so the NY hype's back. I'm pretty sure as a Syracuse boy going onto the NBA Melo wanted to get drafted by the Knicks to be closer to home (for those who'll say that Baltimore is his actual home, it ain't that far from NYC is it?)

kblo247
01-15-2011, 06:42 AM
Hes also not honoring his contract and is playing well beneath his abilities (watch him go off once hes traded). Alienating his teammates and causing a season long distraction. Bron let it be known he would handle it in due time.

You are the same guy who gave VC a pass for quitting on the Raptors by saying "VC had to not play hard to be dealt since they ignored his request the season before" so don't bring up honoring your contract. At no point has Melo said I won't honor my deal, he just said he won't sign an extension with Denver. It is his right to not extend with that team or pick up his option for next season.

Lets be real here the Nuggets went from 7 straight losing seasons to 1.5 straight winning seasons with Melo so he did something right. He has carried a team that that has had its bigs constantly injured, has delivered alongside PGs with three totally different games, and carried that team through multiple coaching changes without ever missing the postseason which is something LeBron can't claim throughout his stay in Cleveland.

Even if you want to talk about this season, Melo has played well. I have news for you a SF will struggle when they play out of position a lot and have to carry PF duties because management was too inept to bring in a quality big or bigs to give a team insurance when they know that they would be without their starting PF and primary backup big to start the year. Melo is the best rebounding SF in the league, he was their lone post presence to start the year as Nene began it by playing below par due to an injury. You are kidding yourself by pointing out that he is under performing when you know as well as I do that he has played out of position more so this season than in year's pass to make up for the teams decencies.

What teammates has he alienated? It can't be Kenyon Martin who said Melo had a right to ask for a deal because Denver hadn't given him help. It can't be JR Smith who has said that Melo hasn't changed how he deals with him. It can't be Chauncey even because Melo out right said he was sorry he got brought into the talks and may have to leave his family. It must be the comments he made about the fact that he feels Denver can compete if they are actually healthy (which they never are), and that he would come to play and help the Nuggets win as long as he works for them no matter what, that alienated them right?

Also you being a stats guy should appreciate that Melo makes his guys all play better historically - http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3438/carmelo.jpg


LMFAO yes because saying NY would be the ultimate dream is totally not talking about other teams. His fans are just booing him because hes been so honorable. You don't see the guy rocking New York gear to any Denver sports games or putting out New York themed shoes do you?

Watch the actual interview instead of acting like he just came out and said New York is a dream. Don't just take the article and quotes at face value when you can actually see for yourself what he said and determine what he meant. A reporter asked him about how it would feel to play where he grew up. The actual video interview focused on how returning to his home would feel to him as opposed to Melo just saying out of the blue how much he'd prefer the Knicks or Nets as opposed to the Nuggets.

The fans boo because they remember what life before him was look. They were jokes and laughing stocks of the league for 8 years straight without the man. For the last 7.5 years they have always had a guaranteed playoff spot, winning record, and a full stadium. He revived that franchise, not anyone else and he was the piece that put them into contention the day the he was drafted. To lose that hurts like hell, but at the end of the day he is giving them the chance to get something for him whereas Amare, Bosh, and LeBron didn't do the same for their teams just a couple of months ago. Whatever stance you may have on him, he is without a doubt one of the top players in the league both from a physical talent and overall skill standpoint and has been a game changer everywhere he has been from college to the Nuggets. He would change the fortune of the Nets right now even with the hole they are in and the Knicks would be contenders with him.


WTF?
Melo has been upfront since this summer about how he wouldn't sign the extension. LeBron by the Cav's own admission had them thinking he was going to stay in Cleveland. They fired a coach and GM as well as hired replacements for him and let him talk to them. The Cavs got LeBron the players that he asked for and had him sign off on every guy they brought in and traded for by his own admission beforehand. The Nuggets never let Carmelo know that they would just throw Camby away by his own admission, they never talked with him about letting Kleiza just walk, or came to him about the AI and Billups trade until after it happened. The way those two front offices treated and catered to their stars are world apart. The way their stars were both open to their front offices about their intentions before hand and gave them no false hope are also worlds apart.

kblo247
01-15-2011, 06:52 AM
What else can he do? How about staying in Denver for one last run and going for a sign and trade in the offseason.


Under a new CBA, which can have a new cap and shorter terms is ludicrous.

Why should he stay for a front office that hasn't given him reason to stay in the past, when the coach's future is uncertain, and when every member of the core can be gotten rid of this coming summer because of the way all their contracts are structured?

Carmelo would also risk the Knicks being cap strapped this coming summer. The fact is Amare's salary will escalate. Chandler being a restricted free agent will likely cost them a pretty penny as well, so Melo would be hard pressed to simply assume he will get paid the salary he deserves and play with the Knicks current core talent as well if he waits till the summer. the fact is he would still play for a weak team that would have to package Gallo and some other pieces to make the swap this summer in a sign and trade scenario.

kblo247
01-15-2011, 06:56 AM
well you live 7 years in new york, 11 in maryland, 1 in Syracuse, and 8 in denver, but yeah I guess how someone could call new york home. :rolleyes:

You don't know what memories he has associated with each place that he lived in. He very well could have more good and family memories associated with New York.

Stuckey#3
01-15-2011, 07:24 AM
All I can say is that Melo is not a top player in the league. He acts like one... and is treated like one... and he makes a lot of shots... and he is flashy. But check the PER. Melo is consistently ranked somewhere in the 20's. Last time I checked I think he was 24. I hope the NJ trade goes down... because Detroit will score Murphy and his expiring contract... but if I were NJ or NYK I would not trade nearly as much as Denver is asking. I would say **** em both and wait for the summer. That way Denver loses because they get nothing in return (which is their own damn fault for being stingy) and Melo gets a pay cut (which he deserves for dealing with an ******* agent and being an overrated **** head) NJ and NYK just need to have some patience. Knicks are already winning and have the pieces to mature into a contender and I hate to say it... but even with Melo the Nets are still a ****** team. A ****** team with a name... but still a ****** team.

sintaks12
01-15-2011, 09:01 AM
I'm not sure how anyone who actually watched that interview (not read the article) can come out thinking that the Knicks stand a chance at getting Melo. I'm a huge Knick fan and would love to get him. It ain't happenin, sorry. Every reference in the interview was made to "NY" not "the Knicks." And when he mentioned going to Brooklyn and "opening that arena" and "opening night there"... his whole face lit up. Then using the word "legacy"... it's over guys.

magichatnumber9
01-15-2011, 09:02 AM
I thought LaLa was Jesus Shuttlesworth's girl

jasonbird
01-15-2011, 09:58 AM
NY is a better choice...

some guys may say new jersey net will move to brooklyn,and melo&his wife was born there,


but lebron was born in arkron too,he left cav at last

:)

Hindy27
01-15-2011, 11:28 AM
he's not even "thinking about [signing with the Nets]"

/thread

lol, straight after he said that he was talking about how he has been thinking all about opening the new arena in Brooklyn.
You guys are starting to clutch at straws.

I know you guys liked talking about how sick he looked on that other video when told he was traded to the Nets. Which was pure garbage by the way, he just stood there and smiled.
Well watch this video and see how sick he looks when talking about Brooklyn and opening the new arena. :D

The interview (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6023501)


I'm not sure how anyone who actually watched that interview (not read the article) can come out thinking that the Knicks stand a chance at getting Melo. I'm a huge Knick fan and would love to get him. It ain't happenin, sorry. Every reference in the interview was made to "NY" not "the Knicks." And when he mentioned going to Brooklyn and "opening that arena" and "opening night there"... his whole face lit up. Then using the word "legacy"... it's over guys.
This.
If anyone thought he hated the idea of going to the Nets they need only look at the video.
He just says he's got some questions, if Proky can answer them and show he is prepared to spend for a championship then I don't think Melo will have any concerns about playing for the Nets.

After watching it I'm amazed how it actually got spun into a 'Knicks = ultimate dream' thing.

Young and Stupid
01-15-2011, 11:37 AM
lol, straight after he said that he was talking about how he has been thinking all about opening the new arena in Brooklyn.
You guys are starting to clutch at straws.

I know you guys liked talking about how sick he looked on that other video when told he was traded to the Nets. Which was pure garbage by the way, he just stood there and smiled.
Well watch this video and see how sick he looks when talking about Brooklyn and opening the new arena. :D

The interview (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6023501)


This.
If anyone thought he hated the idea of going to the Nets they need only look at the video.
He just says he's got some questions, if Proky can answer them and show he is prepared to spend for a championship then I don't think Melo will have any concerns about playing for the Nets.

After watching it I'm amazed how it actually got spun into a 'Knicks = ultimate dream' thing.

Have nothing to add Hindy, but good luck trying to make Knicks fans look at this logically.

I had been saying -- since September -- that there was no chance he would go to the Nets, but this interview definitely caused me pause. It's still hard for me to put the Nets above the Knicks in terms of odds, but the interview definitely brought the Nets up significantly, in my book.

Off-topic: Colleen needs to lay-off the scalpel.

sintaks12
01-15-2011, 11:47 AM
lol, straight after he said that he was talking about how he has been thinking all about opening the new arena in Brooklyn.
You guys are starting to clutch at straws.

I know you guys liked talking about how sick he looked on that other video when told he was traded to the Nets. Which was pure garbage by the way, he just stood there and smiled.
Well watch this video and see how sick he looks when talking about Brooklyn and opening the new arena. :D

The interview (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6023501)


This.
If anyone thought he hated the idea of going to the Nets they need only look at the video.
He just says he's got some questions, if Proky can answer them and show he is prepared to spend for a championship then I don't think Melo will have any concerns about playing for the Nets.

After watching it I'm amazed how it actually got spun into a 'Knicks = ultimate dream' thing.

All that said though, I still think the Nets with Melo are not better than the Knicks, but I guess that is a debate for another time. It's a shame he's all about money... I thought he sincerely wanted to team up with his friend Amare and build a team with several stars to compete with Miami. He's not doing that in NJ, that's for certain.

Hindy27
01-15-2011, 11:52 AM
All that said though, I still think the Nets with Melo are not better than the Knicks, but I guess that is a debate for another time. It's a shame he's all about money... I thought he sincerely wanted to team up with his friend Amare and build a team with several stars to compete with Miami. He's not doing that in NJ, that's for certain.
The Nets with Melo may not be better than the Knicks, but I don't think the Nets will just sit back and not make any more moves. They may not make any more this year but in the offseason and next year they will make more. The Knicks will too.

So really in 5 years time I don't think people will judge the Knicks or Nets on the Melo/Amare trade/signing, they will be judged on what happens next, the moves they do to reach the next level.

Edit - this is all if the Nets do get Melo.

Young and Stupid
01-15-2011, 11:56 AM
All that said though, I still think the Nets with Melo are not better than the Knicks, but I guess that is a debate for another time. It's a shame he's all about money... I thought he sincerely wanted to team up with his friend Amare and build a team with several stars to compete with Miami. He's not doing that in NJ, that's for certain.

As a so-called pessimistic Nets fan, I gotta disagree.

The potential lineup would be:

Billups
Hamilton
Melo
Humphries
Lopez

Farmar
Vujacic
James
Outlaw
Williams

I think that team is at least even and most likely better than the Knicks' current team. I think Hamilton's skill-set is not one that greatly diminishes with age, Billups was just the Conference Player of the Week and has shown that he can still play at an above average level, Humphries is severely underrated and is one of the better rebounders in the league and Brook Lopez will perform a lot better when he doesn't have to be the number-one option on offense.

Kashmir13579
01-15-2011, 12:03 PM
Denver is trying to trade him to NJ because they can offer the best package. Melo is the one holding it up because hes not sold on them yet.

What else can he do? How about staying in Denver for one last run and going for a sign and trade in the offseason.

What Melo is and isnt saying is up for speculation, just because hes not saying everything publicly doesnt mean hes not talking. I highly doubt Denver would be trying to move him if they werent sure about his intentions.

Chronz, what are the chances Denver wins a ring this season? (even with Carmelo playing at his full potential)... not very good i'd imagine.

Secondly.. why do think the Denver front office would be happy with a sign and trade? thats exactly what they are trying to avoid.

If Melo really wants the Knicks, and he's willing to sacrifice millions of guarenteed dollars, how can you fault him?
Melo is not only looking out for his best interests, but also giving Denver a chance to receive a consolation prize from the team he wants most.... he doesn't have to do that. its a business and if the best course of action for him is to play out the season and sign with the Knicks how can you blame him? like i said, at least he's giving them a chance to salvage the wreck.

sidenote: i can tell your not a big fan of Melo. :D


I love how in the interview he says it would be the ultimate dream to play at home. If im not mistaken, melo lived in brooklyn till he was 7 and moved to maryland. went to college in Syracuse for a year. I mean damn I lived in florida just as long as he lived in brooklyn but i don't consider florida my home. I think it's more his wife then anything.

second time this week i've agreed with you. that must be a record, man.

NYKSpiritBomb
01-15-2011, 12:07 PM
what i got from that article is that anthony is not going to sell out and sign and trade to the nets and that he cares more about winning a championship and thats going to be with the knicks

JOSKOMANG4
01-15-2011, 12:37 PM
why do ppl act like its impossible for him to win a championship in NJ? If the Nets play their cards right and find homes for their long-term deals (Outlaw especially) and possibly buyout Rip in '12, Nets can sign CP, and who knows if by then the Nets have acquired complementary guys. Anything is possible.

With Chauncey Billups pretty much preaching that he does not want to be a net.. I thought of an alternative trade!

- Nets acquire PF/SF Melo, SG RIp, & PF/SF R.Balkman

- Nuggets acquire PF Favors, SG Morrow, SF/SG's S.Graham & Q.Ross, PG B.Uzoh & 2-2011 1st rd picks

- Pistons acquire PF Murphy, C Petro, & 2011 2nd rd pick

Nets Lineup:

C) Lopez
PF) Melo/Humphries/Balkman
SF) Outlaw/James
SG) RIP/Sasha
PG) Harris/Farmar

- If we can pickup a backup center and a combo SF/SG Player.. the Nets would have a nice lineup.

oak2455
01-15-2011, 12:43 PM
I love how in the interview he says it would be the ultimate dream to play at home. If im not mistaken, melo lived in brooklyn till he was 7 and moved to maryland. went to college in Syracuse for a year. I mean damn I lived in florida just as long as he lived in brooklyn but i don't consider florida my home. I think it's more his wife then anything.

I totally agree really lived there til 7 La La has Melo by the Balls:eyebrow:

Hindy27
01-15-2011, 12:44 PM
With Chauncey Billups pretty much preaching that he does not want to be a net.. I thought of an alternative trade!

- Nets acquire PF/SF Melo, SG RIp, & PF/SF R.Balkman

- Nuggets acquire PF Favors, SG Morrow, SF/SG's S.Graham & Q.Ross, PG B.Uzoh & 2-2011 1st rd picks

- Pistons acquire PF Murphy, C Petro, & 2011 2nd rd pick

Nets Lineup:

C) Lopez
PF) Melo/Humphries/Balkman
SF) Outlaw/James
SG) RIP/Sasha
PG) Harris/Farmar

- If we can pickup a backup center and a combo SF/SG Player.. the Nets would have a nice lineup.
:confused:
Melo isn't a PF.

If anything Hump would start, Melo would be SF and Outlaw would be on the bench.

JOSKOMANG4
01-15-2011, 12:59 PM
I just read that the T'Wolves and Knicks are working on a deal that would send A.Randolph to Minnesota for a 2011 1st rd pick.

Knicks making moves!!

- Nuggets acquire C E.Curry(Expiring), SF W.Chandler, SF/SG K.Azubuike, SG R.Mason Jr, & 1-2011 1st rd pick(v/Knicks v/t'wolves) to the Knicks for SF Melo & PF A.Harrington.

Knicks Lineup:

C) Amare/Turiaf/Mosgov
PF) Harrington/S.Williams
SF) Melo/Gallo(6th man)
SG) Fields/Walker/Rautins
PG) Felton/Douglass

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 02:00 PM
I just read that the T'Wolves and Knicks are working on a deal that would send A.Randolph to Minnesota for a 2011 1st rd pick.

Knicks making moves!!

- Nuggets acquire C E.Curry(Expiring), SF W.Chandler, SF/SG K.Azubuike, SG R.Mason Jr, & 1-2011 1st rd pick(v/Knicks v/t'wolves) to the Knicks for SF Melo & PF A.Harrington.

Knicks Lineup:

C) Amare/Turiaf/Mosgov
PF) Harrington/S.Williams
SF) Melo/Gallo(6th man)
SG) Fields/Walker/Rautins
PG) Felton/Douglass

Not at all better offer than what the Nets offer, if anything it would be Curry, Chandler, Fields, Gallo 1st rounder for Melo and Renaldo Balk

DenButsu
01-15-2011, 02:12 PM
The pressure's finally getting to him. After so many months of keeping his cards close to the vest, he's starting to lose it, and tip his hand.

DenButsu
01-15-2011, 02:22 PM
I thought LaLa was Jesus Shuttlesworth's girl

I hate to be the one to inform you that you're giving her too much credit.

In fact, the role Lala is playing vis a vis the Denver Nuggets is very similar to the one which Yoko Ono played for the Beatles.

The main difference being that Yoko had a much better voice, and much more talent.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqCpvzXGTE

Mudvayne91
01-15-2011, 02:42 PM
what i got from that article is that anthony is not going to sell out and sign and trade to the nets and that he cares more about winning a championship and thats going to be with the knicks

Actually that would be with the Nuggets. Knicks would have to hurt their roster to acquire him.

DenButsu
01-15-2011, 02:47 PM
he cares more about winning a championship

:laugh2:

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 02:58 PM
:laugh2:

Actually if he goes to NY or NJ he has a better chance at winning a championship, Denver has made no moves and have old players on big contracts and most are hurt everytime. Also top players would rather play in big markets like the NY market. No big names would go to Cleveland just like no big names would go to Denver. Its about winning and being in the big spot light to him.

Kashmir13579
01-15-2011, 04:55 PM
Not at all better offer than what the Nets offer, if anything it would be Curry, Chandler, Fields, Gallo 1st rounder for Melo and Renaldo Balk

First of all, Donnie would never make that trade.

Whether or not that package is inferior to Favors, fillers, and draft picks is up for debate.

And lastly, eventually you need to realize that no matter what offer the Nets make, Anthony still has final say. If you've read between the lines its clear he won't be forced into signing the extension with any team.

Curry, Vin Baker (10 day contract), and Toney Douglas. hows that sound to you. Denver?

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 05:00 PM
First of all, Donnie would never make that trade.

Whether or not that package is inferior to Favors, fillers, and draft picks is up for debate.

And lastly, eventually you need to realize that no matter what offer the Nets make, Anthony still has final say. If you've read between the lines its clear he won't be forced into signing the extension with any team.

Curry, Vin Baker (10 day contract), and Toney Douglas. hows that sound to you. Denver?

Why not? Your replacing two sfs with a better sf in Melo, and Fields is in to sweeten the package. Curry is expiring aswell as Chandler is RFA.

Revolu7i9n
01-15-2011, 05:01 PM
there's nothing wrong with saying he wants to play for his hometown i don't think! hell, i'd love to play for mine! haha

Kashmir13579
01-15-2011, 05:11 PM
Why not? Your replacing two sfs with a better sf in Melo, and Fields is in to sweeten the package. Curry is expiring aswell as Chandler is RFA.

if they make that trade they lose cap flexibility and go from a 40-45 win team to a 40-45 win team. thats why not.

Meatmypet
01-15-2011, 06:06 PM
You know because how???? Oh, you and Melo are best friends and he Tweets you everyday....

When Melo is traded, the rumors to Knicks will end with it. Since, the only way he is traded is if he agree's to and contract extension. What may play in the Nuggets favor is this new CBA. Will Melo leave 30+ million to fulfill a dream to play on the Knicks??? I don't believe that one freaking bit.


Also, you speak of History. Well, they don't have Celtic or Laker history; moreover, recent History of the Knicks. ( Last 10 seasons or so is not something to be proud of.)


2. They play in a dilapidated arena. Hands down the worse Arena in the NBA.

LBJ was suppose to be a Knick this season and how did that play out for you guys? I like the fact the Knicks are semi relevant again; however, crawl before you run. Current History, as I am typing this right now, it appears Melo will be traded this season. It also appears that there is zero chance they will send him to the Knicks this season. The Knicks want the Grizzlies to dump Mayo to help them out, well LOL. What do the Grizzlies get out of this deal? I get what the Nuggets and Knicks would get; However, ithas to fit all parties. Especially if you are trying to drag the Grizzlies in to help you guys. ( Trading away a guy who was a lottery pick not long ago and will be a future star in the league.)

The Nets without a doubt have the best package to offer the Nuggets, since they want youth and Picks. The only reason that trade has not happen is Melo; however, it's his lack of interest to play for the Nets more then his interest to play for the Knicks.

He is not a fool. The Nets will be in total rebuild mode and he is not excited about that at all. I hear the Howard and CP3 to the Nets could make that a selling point; however, Orlando already has a very good team locked up long term and Howard is playing in the best Arena in the NBA currently hands down. He is also playing for a team that has been a contender the last 3-4 season. So, why would Howard leave? Global market LOL? 1 word overrated. If you don't believe me ask TIM Duncan in San Antonio or Yao Ming in Houston. You don't have to play in NYC or LA to get global attention or more endorsements. Heck, Kevin Durant does very well for himself in OKC.

I believe Grant Hill did just find back in the day in Detroit as Howard is doing fine with those endorsements in Orlando.


My guess is, If Melo does not agree to a trade to the NETS. The Nuggets are not knocking on the Knicks door. They have been there done that. They Knocked on the door, looked in the window and walked away. Face it, the Knicks don't have anything that is of interest to the Nuggets. Zero, which is sad and I honestly feel for the Knicks on this one.

Teams you should not count out if Nets deal does not happen, or as I would like to say when Melo says "NO" to and extension with them.

Orlando- They have a few picks, a nice expiring contract in J. Richardson, Brandon Bass, JJ. Redick, R. Anderson, J. Nelson, C. Duhon, Q, Richardson, E. Clark and the draft rights to Fran Vasquez. Orlando's 2005 Round 1 pick currently playing in Spain.

Mavs- They have a few guys they could also offer. I can see them getting very aggressive now that they lost Butler for the season and Dangle everyone not named Dirk.

Lakers- Well, for starters. They have picks, they could dangle Bynum, Shannon Brown, and pretty much everyone not named Kobe or Gasol.

Ideally. The Nets package is the one the Nuggets want, sadly, it's the last place "Melo" wants to take his talents. ( No Pun Intended Lebron. :)

Melo to the Knicks would be great and the power to the East from the West would continue to swing. However, if I am a Knicks fan I would not hold my breath right now. The only way again the Nuggets will be able to trade him is if he is willing to extend a contract with the team he is being traded too.


If. Option A falls off the table. ( Nets) Option B will be in full force. ( Magic, Lakers and Mavs.)

Just my 2 Cents.

1. MSG has been known as "World's Most Famous Arena". Amway Arena looks kinda dull and boring if you asked me, but that's my opinion. Not to mention, MSG is also under renovation that goes to about 800 million dollars over the next few seasons. It'll only make the arena much better.

2. Amare, even though he's not admitting it, we know damn sure he's been recruiting Melo from behind the scenes, just like Wade, Bosh and Lebron did.

3. Amare balled his brains out in Phoenix and was still overshadowed by Nash and lacked the endorsements outside of the local area, but I don't think Amare got the recognition he deserved playing in Phoenix. Look at him now, interviews left and right, celebrities front and back. It's been endless for him.

Yao Ming has been global the day he entered the NBA because he's Chinese. He has over a billion people supporting him in China alone, how can he not get recognized?! LOL.

How else do you think he's the top center to start for the All Star game when he doesn't even play...?

4. The $65 Million definitely matters. But it seems to be mattering more to his agents than himself at this point.

5. Howard has openly said he may just keep his options open if they aren't close to a championship and sources have stated NY and LA as possible destinations for him when his contract ends.

My 2 cents are the trade to NJ isn't happening because at the end of the day, he's just not signing that extension. Why else would the Nuggets and Nets back out on trades that's been set in stone TWICE in half a season.

Melo's not signing that extension and it has a lot to do with the Knicks.

Meatmypet
01-15-2011, 06:11 PM
I just read that the T'Wolves and Knicks are working on a deal that would send A.Randolph to Minnesota for a 2011 1st rd pick.

Knicks making moves!!

- Nuggets acquire C E.Curry(Expiring), SF W.Chandler, SF/SG K.Azubuike, SG R.Mason Jr, & 1-2011 1st rd pick(v/Knicks v/t'wolves) to the Knicks for SF Melo & PF A.Harrington.

Knicks Lineup:

C) Amare/Turiaf/Mosgov
PF) Harrington/S.Williams
SF) Melo/Gallo(6th man)
SG) Fields/Walker/Rautins
PG) Felton/Douglass

You must be high, we are not taking Harrington back.

sintaks12
01-15-2011, 06:14 PM
Ruh roh.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/


Asked Saturday what it would take for him to sign the extension, with any team, Melo said: “I got to feel like I have a chance of reaching my ultimate goal of a championship. Going to a bigger market is cool, but if I feel like I have a chance of winning a championship here in Denver in the next five years, then I’d sign the extension.”

“After the whole interview I did, 20 minutes, the only thing that gets out — I said that it’s anybody’s ultimate dream to go back home and play,” explained Anthony, who lived in New York until he was nine, then moving to Baltimore. “If anybody told you they didn’t want to do that, they’d be lying to you. That’s somebody’s ultimate dream. Chauncey, his ultimate dream was to come back here and play in Denver.”

“My ultimate goal at the end of the day is to win a championship – whether I feel I can do that here or go somewhere else. At the end of the day, you have to make that decision of what’s best for you and your career. Right now, whatever decision I make will be what’s best for me. … Still, I have a chance to win a championship and make less money, I don’t have a problem with that.”

Knick_Fever
01-15-2011, 06:41 PM
“My ultimate goal at the end of the day is to win a championship – whether I feel I can do that here or go somewhere else. At the end of the day, you have to make that decision of what’s best for you and your career. Right now, whatever decision I make will be what’s best for me. … Still, I have a chance to win a championship and make less money, I don’t have a problem with that.”

Wow, nice elaboration by Anthony. That pretty much eliminates the Nets and puts the Knicks back in serious contention for Melo's services. The fact that he said he has no problem in making less money is directed at him playing with the Knicks, obviously because he is referencing forgoing an extension and signing as a free agent this summer with the Knicks, thus making less. Nonetheless, its all about the best chance of winning a championship, which wont happen with the Nets. That leaves the Nuggets and Knicks. He wants out, so has to be the Knicks.

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 06:45 PM
“My ultimate goal at the end of the day is to win a championship – whether I feel I can do that here or go somewhere else. At the end of the day, you have to make that decision of what’s best for you and your career. Right now, whatever decision I make will be what’s best for me. … Still, I have a chance to win a championship and make less money, I don’t have a problem with that.”

Wow, nice elaboration by Anthony. That pretty much eliminates the Nets and puts the Knicks back in serious contention for Melo's services. The fact that he said he has no problem in making less money is directed at him playing with the Knicks, obviously because he is referencing forgoing an extension and signing as a free agent this summer with the Knicks, thus making less. Nonetheless, its all about the best chance of winning a championship, which wont happen with the Nets. That leaves the Nuggets and Knicks. He wants out, so has to be the Knicks.

Not at all your acting likes it jut Melo going to the Nets with this roster

Billups
Rip
Melo
Humphries
Lopez

is a good core, Melo likes Billups. No stars want to play with Raymond Felton. lol

Knickrocketsfan
01-15-2011, 06:53 PM
“My ultimate goal at the end of the day is to win a championship – whether I feel I can do that here or go somewhere else. At the end of the day, you have to make that decision of what’s best for you and your career. Right now, whatever decision I make will be what’s best for me. … Still, I have a chance to win a championship and make less money, I don’t have a problem with that.”

Wow, nice elaboration by Anthony. That pretty much eliminates the Nets and puts the Knicks back in serious contention for Melo's services. The fact that he said he has no problem in making less money is directed at him playing with the Knicks, obviously because he is referencing forgoing an extension and signing as a free agent this summer with the Knicks, thus making less. Nonetheless, its all about the best chance of winning a championship, which wont happen with the Nets. That leaves the Nuggets and Knicks. He wants out, so has to be the Knicks.

Not really. You cant discount the fact that there could be a wild card team that comes out of no where

knicksfan42
01-15-2011, 07:01 PM
No stars want to play with Raymond Felton. lol

Well seeing as you're the agent of every NBA star.......oh wait whats that..... you're not. Ooh so you must be talking out of your ***. Felton has been playing as well if not better than Billups this season and is 8 years younger.

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 07:08 PM
Well seeing as you're the agent of every NBA star.......oh wait whats that..... you're not. Ooh so you must be talking out of your ***. Felton has been playing as well if not better than Billups this season and is 8 years younger.

Felton might be doing good, but are stars going to want to play with him? No. He has no crediblity as a guy in the NBA that can help you. Felton isnt in the same ball park as Rose, Nash, Kidd, Billups. He is in the same ball park as Mike Bibby, Jameer Nelson, Jose Calderon, Stuckey.

mjqusoldier
01-15-2011, 07:13 PM
Felton might be doing good, but are stars going to want to play with him? No. He has no crediblity as a guy in the NBA that can help you. Felton isnt in the same ball park as Rose, Nash, Kidd, Billups. He is in the same ball park as Mike Bibby, Jameer Nelson, Jose Calderon, Stuckey.

LOL this is a joke. Felton is playing the point as good as anybody now. Its all about the present and if Felton keeps this up he will be mentioned up there with all the Elite PGs

grkmaster
01-15-2011, 07:15 PM
Not at all your acting likes it jut Melo going to the Nets with this roster

Billups
Rip
Melo
Humphries
Lopez

is a good core, Melo likes Billups. No stars want to play with Raymond Felton. lol


That core of Melo billups and rip was good when melo shouldve been drafted with them.. Understand that you guys are sacrificing on potentially Dwight leaving for Free agency and CP3 who has stated he might leave. Sure we Knicks fans did too but we landed a star in Amare through FA and now have the potential to be a dynamite team.

Your team with that core wont scare anyone in the league. THe Knicks would still run you over. Also be smart, you guys have all these picks and some young players now. Build from within! Your star can potentially come from the draft and be better than you would be with Melo

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 07:20 PM
That core of Melo billups and rip was good when melo shouldve been drafted with them.. Understand that you guys are sacrificing on potentially Dwight leaving for Free agency and CP3 who has stated he might leave. Sure we Knicks fans did too but we landed a star in Amare through FA and now have the potential to be a dynamite team.

Your team with that core wont scare anyone in the league. THe Knicks would still run you over. Also be smart, you guys have all these picks and some young players now. Build from within! Your star can potentially come from the draft and be better than you would be with Melo

Amare and Melo on the Knicks would be the only ones with playoff expierence
Most of the Nets team after that trade have gone to the finals.
The Knicks make that trade there is no way they are ready for the playoffs.

Felton is a career loser in the NBA and last time was in the playoffs got swept. Who else has playoff expience?

Billups- big shot billups and has been to the finals and won a ring
Rip- been to the finals won a ring
Farmar- been to the finals won a ring
Sasha been to the finals won a ring
Melo- has made the playoffs every year of his career.
Outlaw- was on a winning team, he isnt that great but has expierence
Sheldon Williams- went to the finals

Knicks are full of young guys that have done nothing in their career. Basically none have ever made the playoffs.

Bornknick73
01-15-2011, 07:21 PM
I know a lot of us live in the world of champagne pockets and caviar dreams but lets get real...

How can you call Billups and Rip part of a core? They are both in their mid 30s and over paid for any contending team. If you are gonna put 2 over the hill players as a part of your core.....

feel free to finish that line yourselves.

Lets see....Amar'e+Melo+Felton. Amar'e is 28 and the others are younger. Now thats a core. You build with youth not mid 30s players. Unless youre the Celtics but in this case you dont have Paul Pierce. Or anything close to their talent before they got KG and Ray. Now if someone is gonna say you cant contend with those 3 guys they are lying to themselves. Not to mention the Knicks can swap Felton for a ALLSTAR PG in 2012.

So if I had a choice....Amare + Felton or CP3 or Dwill in 2012 or Lopez + CP2 or Dwill in 2012,cuz billups and rip will be gone by then, the choice is a easy one. A real big 3 or Lopez and a non guarantee in 2012.

Lopez is no Stoudemire. Billups at this stage in his career is no Felton and Rip is just plain old and not worth 12 mil for the next 2 years.


Yeah Im Melo and Id rather play for the Nets....

grkmaster
01-15-2011, 07:22 PM
Felton might be doing good, but are stars going to want to play with him? No. He has no crediblity as a guy in the NBA that can help you. Felton isnt in the same ball park as Rose, Nash, Kidd, Billups. He is in the same ball park as Mike Bibby, Jameer Nelson, Jose Calderon, Stuckey.

seriously? SMH! Nice way to justify your previous statement by saying he isnt in the ball park of the elite. If he keeps this up he will be and is actually playing like an elite PG right now.. hows your awesome PG doing right now? .....

BigBlueCrew
01-15-2011, 07:22 PM
Amare and Melo on the Knicks would be the only ones with playoff expierence
Most of the Nets team after that trade have gone to the finals.
The Knicks make that trade there is no way they are ready for the playoffs.

Felton is a career loser in the NBA and last time was in the playoffs got swept. Who else has playoff expience?

Billups- big shot billups and has been to the finals and won a ring
Rip- been to the finals won a ring
Farmar- been to the finals won a ring
Sasha been to the finals won a ring
Melo- has made the playoffs every year of his career.
Outlaw- was on a winning team, he isnt that great but has expierence
Sheldon Williams- went to the finals

Knicks are full of young guys that have done nothing in their career. Basically none have ever made the playoffs.

do you just copy and paste your same post over and over again?

knicksfan42
01-15-2011, 07:24 PM
Felton might be doing good, but are stars going to want to play with him? No.He has no crediblity as a guy in the NBA that can help you

Wrong, if he's playing well stars are going to want to play with him. I'm pretty positive you're not an NBA insider and therefor don't have a clue about the ins and outs of the league. I'm just going to use logic here and assume that players want to play with players who play well. Felton is playing very well this season and has greatly contributed to his teammates' play, Amare's in particularly who people said would be nothing without Nash, therefor other players do want to play with him.


Felton isnt in the same ball park as Rose, Nash, Kidd, Billups. He is in the same ball park as Mike Bibby, Jameer Nelson, Jose Calderon, Stuckey.


Felton is at least as good as Billups this season and better than Kidd (this season). He's doing far better than all the point guards who you've said he's in the same ballpark with.

JerseysFinest
01-15-2011, 07:24 PM
seriously? SMH! Nice way to justify your previous statement by saying he isnt in the ball park of the elite. If he keeps this up he will be and is actually playing like an elite PG right now.. hows your awesome PG doing right now? .....

As many Nets fans have stated b4, please excuse the views of this user, he does not reflect the opinions and beliefs of the Nets fans on this site. Thank you.

Robbw241
01-15-2011, 07:24 PM
Why are you people wasting your time with DoMeFavors? Do yourselves a favor and put him on your ignore list like several other nets fans have done.

grkmaster
01-15-2011, 07:27 PM
Amare and Melo on the Knicks would be the only ones with playoff expierence
Most of the Nets team after that trade have gone to the finals.
The Knicks make that trade there is no way they are ready for the playoffs.

Felton is a career loser in the NBA and last time was in the playoffs got swept. Who else has playoff expience?

Billups- big shot billups and has been to the finals and won a ring
Rip- been to the finals won a ring
Farmar- been to the finals won a ring
Sasha been to the finals won a ring
Melo- has made the playoffs every year of his career.
Outlaw- was on a winning team, he isnt that great but has expierence
Sheldon Williams- went to the finals

Knicks are full of young guys that have done nothing in their career. Basically none have ever made the playoffs.

So you're still discounting there ages i see.. Farmer is still crap, Sasha is as well. Both lucky to be on the same team with kobe gasol odom and co. ROle players at best but nothing. It doesnt matter if your teams players have made it to the finals. Your going to be old and wont even make it past the 1st round if you make it. Dont you understand that? Melo wants a CHIP now, 2/3 years.. not 5-6!

and Felton came from winning a Chip in College and was crucial in that game so for you call him a loser, you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Think first before you post

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 07:31 PM
So you're still discounting there ages i see.. Farmer is still crap, Sasha is as well. Both lucky to be on the same team with kobe gasol odom and co. ROle players at best but nothing. It doesnt matter if your teams players have made it to the finals. Your going to be old and wont even make it past the 1st round if you make it. Dont you understand that? Melo wants a CHIP now, 2/3 years.. not 5-6!

and Felton came from winning a Chip in College and was crucial in that game so for you call him a loser, you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Think first before you post

They are great role players that are coming off the bench exactly. Felton up untill last year was considered a bust. If this goes down we will see if the Nets make it past the 1st round. Knicks IMO will be swept in the 1st round because of no expierence they have. The Knicks use like an 8 man rotation and by the end of the season that wont fly. But best of luck to the Knicks fans!

Bornknick73
01-15-2011, 07:31 PM
do you just copy and paste your same post over and over again?

Caviar Dreams....like I said. NJ is trying to convince themselves that they can contend for a championship with Billups, Rip and No Rebounds Lopez.

These guys running NJ are bugging. They got a Young C a Lottery PF a still young former allstar pg and 5 first round picks. And they are gonna trade it all for 1 Superstar 2 over the hill players who are over paid and they destroy their cap for atleast 2 years...Melo is good but he aint that good.

Melo is a player to get a team over the hump into contention not a player to build around. Denver tried it it didnt work.

Well at least you are starting to think like a NY team. Only in NY would you throw all that away for a Superstar player with no chance to build around. Maybe Billy King is taking calls from Zeke too.

BigBlueCrew
01-15-2011, 07:36 PM
Caviar Dreams....like I said. NJ is trying to convince themselves that they can contend for a championship with Billups, Rip and No Rebounds Lopez.

These guys running NJ are bugging. They got a Young C a Lottery PF a still young former allstar pg and 5 first round picks. And they are gonna trade it all for 1 Superstar 2 over the hill players who are over paid and they destroy their cap for atleast 2 years...Melo is good but he aint that good.

Melo is a player to get a team over the hump into contention not a player to build around. Denver tried it it didnt work.

Well at least you are starting to think like a NY team. Only in NY would you throw all that away for a Superstar player with no chance to build around. Maybe Billy King is taking calls from Zeke too.

It maybe true or not true. But that dope DoMeFavors just posts the same nonsense over and over. But I see he is just a rogue Nets fan, not indicative of other nets Fans

G-MenAllDay3000
01-15-2011, 07:36 PM
That core of Melo billups and rip was good when melo shouldve been drafted with them.. Understand that you guys are sacrificing on potentially Dwight leaving for Free agency and CP3 who has stated he might leave. Sure we Knicks fans did too but we landed a star in Amare through FA and now have the potential to be a dynamite team.

Your team with that core wont scare anyone in the league. THe Knicks would still run you over. Also be smart, you guys have all these picks and some young players now. Build from within! Your star can potentially come from the draft and be better than you would be with Melo

First off, the Nets have the potential to be a dynamite team with Carmelo Anthony every bit as much as the Knicks had the potential with Amare. Don't compare post-Amare Knicks to pre-Carmelo Nets, it isn't a fair comparison. Second, there isn't a team in this league that wouldn't trade potential star in draft picks for an already proven star. There isn't even a 50% chance the Nets could find a franchise player as good as Melo with the picks they currently possess. That chance sailed away last offseason when they couldn't land the top pick of the draft.

You talk as if the Knicks would be so much better with Melo, but you're being blinded by the names of these players rather than the actual contribution they would bring to the team. What extra production could Melo actually give you that Wilson Chandler isn't already giving you? The Knicks dont need an extra scorer, they need more defense and backup PG and even a backup big man. They DON'T need Carmelo Anthony.

On the other hand, the Nets aren't as concerned with Billups and Rip so much as they are with bringing Melo here and then CP3 in 2012. Nets core will be CP3/Melo/Brook. That will be a better core than Melo/Amare.

BTW...whoever made that comment about Felton not being as good as the top PGs in this league is just another example of someone that judges players based on their names and the past than the present. Felton is playing every bit as well as every single PG in this league right now and the Knicks would be idiots not to re-sign him to try to get a big name PG in FA once his contract is up.

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 07:37 PM
It maybe true or not true. But that dope DoMeFavors just posts the same nonsense over and over. But I see he is just a rogue Nets fan, not indicative of other nets Fans

Hell Yeah, I rep my own self.

Knick_Fever
01-15-2011, 07:44 PM
Amare and Melo on the Knicks would be the only ones with playoff expierence
Most of the Nets team after that trade have gone to the finals.
The Knicks make that trade there is no way they are ready for the playoffs.

Felton is a career loser in the NBA and last time was in the playoffs got swept. Who else has playoff expience?

Billups- big shot billups and has been to the finals and won a ring
Rip- been to the finals won a ring
Farmar- been to the finals won a ring
Sasha been to the finals won a ring
Melo- has made the playoffs every year of his career.
Outlaw- was on a winning team, he isnt that great but has expierence
Sheldon Williams- went to the finals

Knicks are full of young guys that have done nothing in their career. Basically none have ever made the playoffs.

Yeah but only one problem- Everyone on your list besides Melo either sucks or is washed up. I mean whats your point? Luke Walton sucks and he was on a championship team too. So you're basing your argument on experience? :facepalm: There are always a couple of sorry players that are part of winning teams- ie. sasha and farmar. For the 1 or 2 minutes that Sheldon Williams got in the entire finals last year, he blew it for the Celtics (passed the ball to Kobe on consecutive posessions). Outlaw has done nothing, and Rip cant even get any burn with the terrible pistons. Billups has some game left but ty lawson is outplaying him. You're right about Melo, I'll give you that.:D

knicksfan42
01-15-2011, 07:48 PM
Nets core will be CP3/Melo/Brook. That will be a better core than Melo/Amare.




Ok and Felton expires the same season Paul becomes and FA.
So CP3/Melo/Amare > CP3/Melo/Brook. Hell even Felton/Melo/Amare might be better than CP3/Melo/Brook based on the current play of Brook and Felton.

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 07:48 PM
Yeah but only one problem- Everyone on your list besides Melo either sucks or is washed up. I mean whats your point? Luke Walton sucks and he was on a championship team too. So you're basing your argument on experience? :facepalm: There are always a couple of sorry players that are part of winning teams- ie. sasha and farmar. For the 1 or 2 minutes that Sheldon Williams got in the entire finals last year, he blew it for the Celtics (passed the ball to Kobe on consecutive posessions). Outlaw has done nothing, and Rip cant even get any burn with the terrible pistons. Billups has some game left but ty lawson is outplaying him. You're right about Melo, I'll give you that.:D

Well good luck with Mosgov and the other guys! Just dont think they are winners yet the Nets players are proven winners.

avrpatsfan
01-15-2011, 07:48 PM
I can't wait until Melo is traded so we can stop hearing about this 24/7 on ESPN.

BigBlueCrew
01-15-2011, 07:51 PM
aww shucks did the mod delete my post. too bad :)

mjqusoldier
01-15-2011, 07:58 PM
LOL at Nets fans thinking Melo is going there. He wants to go to the Knicks. Thats why he isnt on the Nets because he wont sign that extension. Sorry Nets fans

DoMeFavors
01-15-2011, 08:01 PM
LOL at Nets fans thinking Melo is going there. He wants to go to the Knicks. Thats why he isnt on the Nets because he wont sign that extension. Sorry Nets fans

Well that stinks thanks for telling me so I dont get my hopes up.

jimm120
01-15-2011, 08:19 PM
Here is my only issue with this whole mess. The Nuggets future should not be handcuffed by Carmelo Anthony's desires. He is in the NBA and is suppose to be a professional. How these plays have been handcuffing teams the last few seasons is getting out of hand.

Shaq did it in Los Angeles.

Kobe did it in Los Angeles. Until that BS trade they did with Memphis for Gasol shut him up.

LBJ- Well, his problem was IMO. He knew his intentions, however, was not very honest with the Cavs front office. ( IF he was he would have pulled the same mess, Miami and nowhere else crap.)

Melo, IMO. Would have been smarter to keep his mouth shut like LBJ if he did not want to go down this path; however, after the LBJ mess I am sure the Nuggets did not want to see the ( Decision Part 2.)

Players need to honor there contract and in that contract Melo did not have a trade clause. So IMO, the Nuggets should be able to trade him without Melo crying about it.

The problem is the following:

The want to trade him AND have him sign an extension with the other team.

I'm sorry, but it is NOT the team's decision to dictate where he sign his next extension/contract.

Wade>You
01-15-2011, 08:32 PM
Melo has been upfront since this summer about how he wouldn't sign the extension. LeBron by the Cav's own admission had them thinking he was going to stay in Cleveland. They fired a coach and GM as well as hired replacements for him and let him talk to them. The Cavs got LeBron the players that he asked for and had him sign off on every guy they brought in and traded for by his own admission beforehand. The Nuggets never let Carmelo know that they would just throw Camby away by his own admission, they never talked with him about letting Kleiza just walk, or came to him about the AI and Billups trade until after it happened. The way those two front offices treated and catered to their stars are world apart. The way their stars were both open to their front offices about their intentions before hand and gave them no false hope are also worlds apart.That reminds me of Kobe when he got Shaq traded and Phil fired. And even then he was flirting with the Clippers. I don't think the Lakers ever knew he was a lock to come back. They probably wouldn't have fired Phil in the first place since Kobe came to the conclusion that he's not great enough to do it all by himself.

dtmagnet
01-15-2011, 08:37 PM
Well that stinks thanks for telling me so I dont get my hopes up.

:laugh2:

kblo247
01-15-2011, 09:08 PM
That reminds me of Kobe when he got Shaq traded and Phil fired. And even then he was flirting with the Clippers. I don't think the Lakers ever knew he was a lock to come back. They probably wouldn't have fired Phil in the first place since Kobe came to the conclusion that he's not great enough to do it all by himself.

You are so under-informed.

Shaq was dealt because he embarrassed Buss (pay me mf'ing money in front of the media) and expected a 30mil a year extension after playing below par on the first year of a 3 year, 88mil extension. Shaq when he left LA had spent two years being the second best player by Phil's own admission because he had gotten lazy and wanted to heal on company time. Shaq also was the one who admittedly gave Buss a him or me ultimatum, and Buss chose the player that was and still is making him more money, who was younger, and had the better work ethic.

When did Kobe get Phil fired? Jim Buss ran Phil out of town in their constant pissing matches. Kobe took the brunt of the fire from the media, but Phil and Jim's constant back and forward was well documented. It was Jim, not Kobe who didn't want Phil back even after 05. It was Jim that nixed every trade to improve the Lakers be it for Baron Davis or Carlos Boozer. It was Jim who was on record of saying Smush and Kwame were good enough to win with. It was also Jim who would later be Jim that would lose his damn power when Kobe went on that "trade me" tirade and had the backing of Phil, Mitch, and Jeanie on every radio station and interview. They made a political move that gave their group power and once Jeanie/Mitch had the power they made the moves and created the team you see now.

Did Kobe talk with the Clippers? Yes at the request of Elgin Baylor. He also talked to the Suns because Dantoni asked him to and the Bulls because Jordan and Ron Harper asked him to. He also told Buss upfront about all of the interviews by Jerry's own admission.

I will give you that Kobe wanted Coach K after Phil was gone by his own admission over Rudy T, who Jim wanted. People do forget though that Kobe, Caron, and LO were the 6th seed when they played together (44 games) and were still in the playoff race before Lamar tore his labrum and Kobe missed double digit games because of a a high ankle sprain and his wife having a miscarriage. That season was horrible just thinking about all the constant changing.

You are correct in the fact that Kobe knew he couldn't do it alone. He only re-signed with the Lakers after they promised him an all star sidekick within 3 years (would deliver in 3.5). He also is the one by Jeanie's admission that welcomed Phil back and offered to talk out every problem and earn his captain status from him instead of being grandfathered it on their second stay together.

Kashmir13579
01-15-2011, 09:09 PM
Well good luck with Mosgov and the other guys! Just dont think they are winners yet the Nets players are proven winners.

:laugh2::clap:

keep going, dude.

Khalifa21
01-15-2011, 09:14 PM
Amare and Melo on the Knicks would be the only ones with playoff expierence
Most of the Nets team after that trade have gone to the finals.
The Knicks make that trade there is no way they are ready for the playoffs.

Felton is a career loser in the NBA and last time was in the playoffs got swept. Who else has playoff expience?

Billups- big shot billups and has been to the finals and won a ring
Rip- been to the finals won a ring
Farmar- been to the finals won a ring
Sasha been to the finals won a ring
Melo- has made the playoffs every year of his career.
Outlaw- was on a winning team, he isnt that great but has expierence
Sheldon Williams- went to the finals

Knicks are full of young guys that have done nothing in their career. Basically none have ever made the playoffs.

So because some of the Knicks have little playoff experience means they're not gonna make it? Every team has to start somewhere otherwise it would be the exact same games every year.

Is it Felton's fault that the teams he's been on having had sufficient talent to get him far in the playoffs? Because with a solid cast in New York he seems to be doing a pretty good job... Amar'e has a ton of experience and is a much better leader than anyone currently on the Nets. Turiaf's been to the playoffs with the Lakers and is a huge vocal leader for us anyway.

Billups - Nothing compared to the 28 year old that won the chip in 2004.
Rip - See above. Both of these guys are solid but shadows of their former selves.

Felton & Chandler > Billups & Rip

Farmar - Has career playoff averages of 15 minutes per game. Hardly played a big part in any of LA's titles.
Vujacic - See above, except he was even more insignificant.

Douglas & Fields > Farmar & Vujacic

Sheldon Williams - Please explain to me how a guy who has played 57 minutes in the playoffs in his career has any sort of experience?

Experience is nothing compared to talent. You could have a team full of experienced players, but at the end of the day, the more talented team will prevail. The Knicks have a more talented team than the Nets even after the trade.

Young and Stupid
01-15-2011, 09:17 PM
How many times are we gonna do this DoMeFavors? I mean, really? Come on, you're better than that.

You guys know the spiel: We (Nets fans) apologize for DoMeFavors' behavior and want to inform you that his opinion and mindset is not indicative of that of the rest of the population. Hopefully, you can accept our honest apology and we can move forward amicably. We're sorry for the inconvenience, thank you.

$KnicksAndKobe$
01-15-2011, 09:19 PM
Lol Farmar and Vujacic ...

Kashmir13579
01-15-2011, 09:31 PM
How many times are we gonna do this DoMeFavors? I mean, really? Come on, you're better than that.

You guys know the spiel: We (Nets fans) apologize for DoMeFavors' behavior and want to inform you that his opinion and mindset is not indicative of that of the rest of the population. Hopefully, you can accept our honest apology and we can move forward amicably. We're sorry for the inconvenience, thank you.

lol

kblo247
01-15-2011, 09:35 PM
Lol Farmar and Vujacic ...

They are less unknowns than Douglas, Fields, and Williams in the playoffs though.

For that matter, I am in the group that will say Felton has had the better season but I also know that he got his *** handed to him in the first round last year, which was the biggest reason the Bobcats got swept. I'd still have more faith in Billups that him in May if I were Melo.

Rip is the wildcard in the hold thing. Has he truly fallen off? Will more minutes make him have a rhythm and play better?

Amare is by far the best big on either team, but Jersey does have the better 4 and 5 combo in Hump and Lopez unless if you think Chandler and Amare won't be exposed at the 4 and the 5 in a 7 game series.

There are lots of variables for Melo to think about, but I don't think in New york fan who welcomed Amare should bash Melo for signing with the Nets. The Nets have had a better recent history than the Knicks by far. They have had better management and success. Much like Melo turned around Denver and took a perennial loser to the playoffs for 7 straight years he could do the same for Jersey

IBleedPurple
01-15-2011, 09:43 PM
How many times are we gonna do this DoMeFavors? I mean, really? Come on, you're better than that.

You guys know the spiel: We (Nets fans) apologize for DoMeFavors' behavior and want to inform you that his opinion and mindset is not indicative of that of the rest of the population. Hopefully, you can accept our honest apology and we can move forward amicably. We're sorry for the inconvenience, thank you.

Nice. If you think about his username.........it worries me lol

sintaks12
01-15-2011, 09:45 PM
Much like Melo turned around Denver and took a perennial loser to the playoffs for 7 straight years he could do the same for Jersey

No one's debating that Melo won't take NJ to the playoffs... of course they'll make the playoffs. But, at least from what he's saying, he wants to compete for a chip. And from where I'm standin, that's not happening with Rip, Billups and your "super playoff-experienced" role players in Farmar and Sasha *finger point to DoMeFavors* At the very best, they will be Denver East and we all saw how far that went. If Rip is the key, like many have said, why doesn't Denver just go get him?

masalex1205
01-15-2011, 09:47 PM
So.Many.Melo.Threads

Love the sign, go pack!

iCOOKiE MONSTER
01-15-2011, 09:49 PM
Im a Okc fan but im curious...how are nets players
proven winners???? Ya can barley win any games. I'm
Not trying to bash but ya ain't going anywhere. Melo fits
Better n perfect with the Knicks not the nets..the nets
Should develop the young talent n build threw the draft

BigBlueCrew
01-15-2011, 09:58 PM
Im a Okc fan but im curious...how are nets players
proven winners???? Ya can barley win any games. I'm
Not trying to bash but ya ain't going anywhere. Melo fits
Better n perfect with the Knicks not the nets..the nets
Should develop the young talent n build threw the draft

He always says stupid stuff. Not really to be taken seriously.

RangersMets
01-15-2011, 10:01 PM
Melo' just told me he is going to the Timberwolves.

Knicks were a close 2nd.

He said he didn't want to play for the Nets because their games remind him of the Washington Generals playing against the Globetrotters. With the Globetrotters representing the rest of the NBA.

iCOOKiE MONSTER
01-15-2011, 10:03 PM
Ohh ok, ya Knicks team is looking impressive
Ya got mah respect

mrblisterdundee
01-15-2011, 10:03 PM
I don't get it; does Anthony not realize that the New Jersey Nets will soon be a New York City basketball team? This guy is either ****ing ******** or the supreme megalomaniac.

Khalifa21
01-15-2011, 10:06 PM
They are less unknowns than Douglas, Fields, and Williams in the playoffs though.

For that matter, I am in the group that will say Felton has had the better season but I also know that he got his *** handed to him in the first round last year, which was the biggest reason the Bobcats got swept. I'd still have more faith in Billups that him in May if I were Melo.

Rip is the wildcard in the hold thing. Has he truly fallen off? Will more minutes make him have a rhythm and play better?

Amare is by far the best big on either team, but Jersey does have the better 4 and 5 combo in Hump and Lopez unless if you think Chandler and Amare won't be exposed at the 4 and the 5 in a 7 game series.

There are lots of variables for Melo to think about, but I don't think in New york fan who welcomed Amare should bash Melo for signing with the Nets. The Nets have had a better recent history than the Knicks by far. They have had better management and success. Much like Melo turned around Denver and took a perennial loser to the playoffs for 7 straight years he could do the same for Jersey

This season Felton has been far superior to Billups. I would take a Chandler/Amar'e frontcourt over a Humps/Lopez frontcourt in a 7 game series any day of the week as well.

Young and Stupid
01-15-2011, 10:09 PM
I don't get it; does Anthony not realize that the New Jersey Nets will soon be a New York City basketball team? This guy is either ****ing ******** or the supreme megalomaniac.

Nah Melo is fully-aware that New Jersey will soon be New York. In fact, if you watch the interview you'll see that he talks almost exclusively about the Brooklyn and in effect the Nets. That's why it's amazing that Knicks fans are trying to spin this in favor of the Knicks.

kblo247
01-15-2011, 10:10 PM
No one's debating that Melo won't take NJ to the playoffs... of course they'll make the playoffs. But, at least from what he's saying, he wants to compete for a chip. And from where I'm standin, that's not happening with Rip, Billups and your "super playoff-experienced" role players in Farmar and Sasha *finger point to DoMeFavors* At the very best, they will be Denver East and we all saw how far that went. If Rip is the key, like many have said, why doesn't Denver just go get him?

I still say he would think about staying in Denver despite their poor front office if his whole hopes at making playoff noise didn't hinge on K-Mart and Birdman. Without those two, the Nuggets are mundane and have no defensive backbone. Management also did nothing to even cushion the blow of losing them despite their knees being bad (Sheldon and Al won't cut it out west).

Rip is a nice piece along with Billups, but lets be real here Hump, Sasha, and Farmar have been the Nets best players outside of Lopez and Harris all year long (Morrow hasn't been bad and was getting out of a funk when he got hurt). The fact is the Nets aren't giving up the players who have played the best for them all year outside of Harris and having a back court that knows how to win on top of those players and Melo might entice a guy who wants to turn another franchise around and play at home.

None of us know what Melo is thinking, but at the same time the same people who criticized Miami for those 3 players uniting in their prime and not promoting competition should be praising Melo for possibly embracing the same role in NJ that they wanted LeBron to take on in their franchises and not succumbing to the peer pressure of just joining Amare and a team that is already winning.

kblo247
01-15-2011, 10:22 PM
This season Felton has been far superior to Billups. I would take a Chandler/Amar'e frontcourt over a Humps/Lopez frontcourt in a 7 game series any day of the week as well.

I'm not disagreeing with you about more talent in Amare and Chandler (who does his best scoring at PF). I'm talking about on defense (not Amare's strong suit one on one though his team D has looked damn good) as they would be pounded by Boston. In fact Anthony may have to bang with a PF down low, just like he has done pretty much all year in Denver. I do think Lopez and Hump while not as talented could at least help Melo more on the glass in a playoff series and when it comes to simply banging because of their sheer size.

As for Felton, I agree that he has had a better regular season. Felton had a damn good, not this good, but damn good regular season last year. Jameer Nelson also bent him over for the world to see that postseason, while he did nothing to counter it. Melo at least knows what type of playoff player Billups is because he has proven that he can play well there time and time again, while Felton has not.

Rip is the guy who I honestly don't know about. I know he has underperformed, but he is also on a team that is guard/forward heavy and playing low minutes. The guy very well could have more game left in his legs than more people is giving him credit for if he has clear cut minutes, starts, and shots like he was used to for the majority of his career.

I just don't feel the guy should be crucified if he signs with the Nets either because he going there isn't that different than Amare going to New York, except for the fact that he knows what the team will have on paper whereas Amare didn't this summer.

mrblisterdundee
01-15-2011, 10:26 PM
Nah Melo is fully-aware that New Jersey will soon be New York. In fact, if you watch the interview you'll see that he talks almost exclusively about the Brooklyn and in effect the Nets. That's why it's amazing that Knicks fans are trying to spin this in favor of the Knicks.

I'm being sarcastic. Of course Anthony is the supreme megalomaniac. I heard that his house has 16 fireplaces.

Anilyzer
01-15-2011, 11:30 PM
I don't want to see any more articles in the media whining about Carmelo, his "indecision", or poor poor Denver, or anything like that.

Bottom line: Carmelo has the RIGHT to be a free agent after this season. So, if it is his dream to play with the Knicks, he is absolutely entitled to go to free agency and then sign with the Knicks.

So... no *boo hoo* from Denver; and what the heck with trying to trade him to a team he clearly DOESN'T want to go to (New Jersey), because it's a better deal for Denver, and then trying to talk Carmelo into going there?

Seriously... seriously. What POSSIBLE motivation can Carmelo have to sign a long term extension with a team he doesn't want to play for, JUST so that Denver can get a better deal? Carmelo is a free agent... FREE AGENT. That means, after his contract is up, he can go where he wants. Why would he want to give that up?

Also, he offered Denver the chance to do a sign and trade with New York, but Denver got stupid about it. Now, Denver should just either take the Knicks deal, any deal, or just shut up and play out the season. Carmelo would be fun to watch on the Knicks... Denver is holding him up there and wasting a year of classic basketball.

Either play him for the last year of his contract as you are paying him for anyways, and then just MOVE ON afterwards, or make the trade to where he wants. The fact that Carmelo is willing to play out the year settles it. There's no reason for him to "settle" and sign a bad extension just so Denver can save face.

Anilyzer
01-15-2011, 11:34 PM
Carmelo is a free agent who clearly wants to go to the Knicks. Meanwhile, Denver is acting like Carmelo is still the key component for their franchise--either as a player, or as the means to get a bunch of draft picks and players.

*whatever* Who cares what Denver Nuggets think. They don't own Carmelo, they got lucky when they drafted him, and they got a lot of good basketball from him. Nobody OWES them 10 1st round picks and a bunch of players just to let Carmelo play where he wants when he becomes a free agent. Nobody OWES Denver a bunch of replacements for Carmelo.

Carmelo is totally right on here. And even though he is being really cool about it, I think he is just as determined as Lebron was. And as we get close to the tradeline, you will start to hear the whining a yelling about his escalate louder and louder.

Let me just say in advance, shut up, it is stupid and it is whining.

Anilyzer
01-15-2011, 11:37 PM
Lakers traded Shaq two seconds after he said he didn't want to be there. Any team (Cavs, Nuggets, Toronto) who desperately hangs on to a player that doesn't want to be there is a lower level franchise. The Clippers... all they ever do is hang on to players who don't want to be there, and leave the day free agency starts.

It ain't all about the money--it's also about being a high level franchise. So...

If Carmelo wants to come to LA, Denver should trade him for Luke and some pics or something like that.

Anilyzer
01-15-2011, 11:41 PM
The problem is the following:

The want to trade him AND have him sign an extension with the other team.

I'm sorry, but it is NOT the team's decision to dictate where he sign his next extension/contract.


exactly right

mrblisterdundee
01-16-2011, 12:22 AM
This ******* Carmello Anthony is pulling a "Decision 2.0." Seriously, though, the Nuggets should demand at least Wilson Chandler, Kelenna Azubuike and Eddy Curry for Anthony. Chandler and Azubuike both provide solid future pieces at small forward and shooting guard. Curry, of course, is a massive expiring contract that can be used to acquire more talent after this season. They could even expand the deal to include Al Harrington and Danilo Galinari.

IBleedPurple
01-16-2011, 12:32 AM
The problem is the following:

The want to trade him AND have him sign an extension with the other team.

I'm sorry, but it is NOT the team's decision to dictate where he sign his next extension/contract.

They don't. The team just dictates where he is traded. He is only encouraged to sign the extension. More feeling sorry for Melo........he is an employee under contract. Him being a superstar that wants out puts him in the boat with all the thousands of other players who have been traded.

jimm120
01-16-2011, 12:59 AM
The problem is the following:

The want to trade him AND have him sign an extension with the other team.

I'm sorry, but it is NOT the team's decision to dictate where he sign his next extension/contract.


exactly right


They don't. The team just dictates where he is traded. He is only encouraged to sign the extension. More feeling sorry for Melo........he is an employee under contract. Him being a superstar that wants out puts him in the boat with all the thousands of other players who have been traded.

See, but that is where the problem is.

He hasn't told them, "TRADE ME". He's only (officially) refused the extension they game him. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, though. But still, He has only neglected to not sign the extension.

Are you really saying that he wants out and that puts him in the "whiny I want to leave now or else I'll pout" category?

Sorry. The guy hasn't done none of that. People need to understand 2 things:

1) He is NOT TELLING THEM TO TRADE HIM. Denver opted to do that on its own after he didn't sign the extension.

2) Denver is allowed to trade him to whichever team they want, but they want to send him away and get max value (never max). The only way they get "max value" is if they trade him to the team THEY want and he signs the extension with that team. Unfortunately for them, if reports and rumors are true, he'll only sign (so far) an extension with the Knicks. Knicks, though, will not gut the team and Denver doesn't want any of the Knicks pieaces (mostly out of spite) because it doesn't represent their "max value".



So, after looking at these two points, I fail to see how Melo is being a "whiny" player. Are people really saying that Denver should have control of where he plays out his next contract 100%? Take away one of the the players' rights agreed upon in the CBA?

Raph12
01-16-2011, 03:39 AM
Idk if he resigns anywhere besides NY... Dude is just WAY too obsessed with the bright lights and recognition.

WHODAT8o8
01-16-2011, 04:26 AM
whos dream isnt to play for the knicks? lol

haha das what i was thinking

Anilyzer
01-16-2011, 04:33 AM
See, but that is where the problem is.

He hasn't told them, "TRADE ME". He's only (officially) refused the extension they game him. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, though. But still, He has only neglected to not sign the extension.

Are you really saying that he wants out and that puts him in the "whiny I want to leave now or else I'll pout" category?

Sorry. The guy hasn't done none of that. People need to understand 2 things:

1) He is NOT TELLING THEM TO TRADE HIM. Denver opted to do that on its own after he didn't sign the extension.

2) Denver is allowed to trade him to whichever team they want, but they want to send him away and get max value (never max). The only way they get "max value" is if they trade him to the team THEY want and he signs the extension with that team. Unfortunately for them, if reports and rumors are true, he'll only sign (so far) an extension with the Knicks. Knicks, though, will not gut the team and Denver doesn't want any of the Knicks pieaces (mostly out of spite) because it doesn't represent their "max value".



So, after looking at these two points, I fail to see how Melo is being a "whiny" player. Are people really saying that Denver should have control of where he plays out his next contract 100%? Take away one of the the players' rights agreed upon in the CBA?


I 100% agree. Melo isn't whiney, it is Denver that is whiney.

Denver is whiney and also dishonest. They say "it isn't fair to the fans and everybody and we are so loyal to Carmelo *boo hoo hoo*" but then in the next breath they say they want to be able to trade Carmelo (!), when they don't have to, not to the team where he has said he wants to sign eventually, but to some other, less desirable team.

THEN, they want to trade with that team, saying "SURE, Carmelo will sign with you. And since he'll sign an extension with you, we want a whole bunch of draft picks and players."

THEN they go and try to pressure Carmelo to sign with the undesirable team. They're trying to trade the freedom of his free agency for super high value, and then at the same time turning around and making it seem like Carmelo is selfish, and they are so loyal.

Trust me... if they gave a crap about Melo as a person, if they thought he was "special", they'd play out the season with him, and make hiim feel great. They'd finish out his Denver career in style, and wish him well.

Not try to grub every pick and player they can grab by pressuring him to sign somewhere he doesn't want to.

Anilyzer
01-16-2011, 04:36 AM
This ******* Carmello Anthony is pulling a "Decision 2.0." Seriously, though, the Nuggets should demand at least Wilson Chandler, Kelenna Azubuike and Eddy Curry for Anthony. Chandler and Azubuike both provide solid future pieces at small forward and shooting guard. Curry, of course, is a massive expiring contract that can be used to acquire more talent after this season. They could even expand the deal to include Al Harrington and Danilo Galinari.


LoL. It isn't "Decision 2.0"

It's "INDECISION 1.0"

They don't like that he WON'T decide... or actually, they don't like that they can't force him to change his mind about what he said LONG AGO was his decision.

So they use their fancy PR machine and media connections to try to make it look he's a selfish jerk of a player.

WHO CARES what Denver gets in a trade, if anything? I sure don't. And any player traded there you basically won't hear about for the next 4 years.

Anilyzer
01-16-2011, 04:40 AM
Idk if he resigns anywhere besides NY... Dude is just WAY too obsessed with the bright lights and recognition.


If you know people from NY... look, there are "Knicks" people, and there are "Nets" people. Just like there are Jets people and Giant's people.

Carmelo has made it pretty clear he is a "Knicks" person, and that is his lifelong dream.

Denver is laughably idiotic to think they can talk him into signing in Jersey instead... with absolutely nothing to offer him in exchange for doing so.

Might as well try to talk some ho on hollywood blvd into getting with you for free or something. "blah blah blah blah blah blah... baby". ---> "get lost."

kblo247
01-16-2011, 05:22 AM
If you know people from NY... look, there are "Knicks" people, and there are "Nets" people. Just like there are Jets people and Giant's people.

Carmelo has made it pretty clear he is a "Knicks" person, and that is his lifelong dream.

Denver is laughably idiotic to think they can talk him into signing in Jersey instead... with absolutely nothing to offer him in exchange for doing so.

Might as well try to talk some ho on hollywood blvd into getting with you for free or something. "blah blah blah blah blah blah... baby". ---> "get lost."

That is why Chauncey is being sent out with him in a nutshell.

As for Melo's dream watch the interview and see his face when he says "Brooklyn Net"

MackShock
01-16-2011, 05:33 AM
carmelos a drama queen

kblo247
01-16-2011, 05:42 AM
Wouldn't technically have to go out of your way to talk about the situation or be the one to demand a trade, to be called a drama queen?

MackShock
01-16-2011, 05:48 AM
Wouldn't technically have to go out of your way to talk about the situation or be the one to demand a trade, to be called a drama queen?

kobe, 05-06...

but yes..i think all superstars are...melo can be humble n be grateful hes offered 65 million in three yrs...10000000000x the average joes salary..instead he wants out n wants more..

arkanian215
01-16-2011, 05:56 AM
Seems like a trade is close. Pepsi center marked Melo jerseys down 50%. Either you buy their explanation or it sounds like something is about to go down, or both.

http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_17109485?source=commented-

kblo247
01-16-2011, 07:21 AM
kobe, 05-06...

but yes..i think all superstars are...melo can be humble n be grateful hes offered 65 million in three yrs...10000000000x the average joes salary..instead he wants out n wants more..

You mean 07-08 as 05-06 was Phil's first year back. (and I detailed that summer pages back)

What does the average joe have to do with it? Melo draws more revenue than the average joe through ads featuring his likeness, move merch, put butts in seats, gets high ratings for his televised games, and has never missed a postseason with hm unlike the 8 lottery bound seasons before he came there. In life when you are damn good at what you do as a lawyer, doctor, professor, or executive you get perks and earn the right to be sought after and treated better than others doing the same. You get paid what you are worth and are valued for it. That is just how society is.

The fact is he doesn't have to be humble or be quiet like he pretty much has been, but he isn't the one who is forcing the trade.

He won't re-sign with them which is his right. He was quiet about his intentions, but Denver Nuggets sources put it in the paper. They also put in the paper that he would either sign the extension or be traded.

The fact is no one is stopping Denver from trading Carmelo to the Cavs/Timberwolves/Raptors if they pleased or keeping him and playing the year out. However, they cannot get the most possible value for Melo unless if he signs an extension which he won't do just anywhere. He shouldn't have to extend anywhere just because Denver would want him to since he has a contractual right not to.

The only divas in this scenario are the Denver Nuggets front office who blew the situation up for more than it had to be and are showing just how inept they are at handling matters and making a basketball decision, and by doing so they are probably giving Melo even more reason to want to leave.

JayW_1023
01-16-2011, 07:36 AM
What Melo is doing is far worse than what LeBron did in my opinion. LeBron was a free agent, who could go wherever he wanted.

Melo is just weaseling his away out of Denver mid contract and quitting on his teammates. Some 'legacy'.

kblo247
01-16-2011, 07:53 AM
What Melo is doing is far worse than what LeBron did in my opinion. LeBron was a free agent, who could go wherever he wanted.

Melo is just weaseling his away out of Denver mid contract and quitting on his teammates. Some 'legacy'.

How is telling a team "I won't extend" weaseling out? '

He has played his contract out for 7.5 years and is willing to keep playing it out through the year. He told Denver upfront what his intentions were and never asked for a trade. Denver Nuggets "sources" tried to threaten him with that extend or we trade you ultimatum.

Their discussions have gotten out because of front offices sources according to most reporter, Chauncey's agent leaked part of the deal, but Melo hasn't said anything besides answer a question about what it will be like to play in his home and that he will compete for the Nuggets as long as he is on their roster.

As for his legacy. How about never missing the postseason and always having a winning team, with a team that hadn't done either for 8 straight years. The fact is he has an impact on all of those teammates playing better, and Denver made personnel moves that were poor and without ever consulting him about them unlike in the case of LeBron.

What he did isn't similar to LeBron as he isn't holding a sitcom, he isn't having multiple people fly out to his hometown and meet them, he signed away rights to ESPN to have the first crack at his decision, and he isn't putting over his free agency during the NBA Finals either. The guy was open with Denver's FO by their own admission about not re-signing there from day one, so he gave them no false hope about if they wreck their cap just a little bit more he would stay (Shaq and Jamison). He also made it possible to get something more in return than a TPE and a few picks. The two are world's apart in their professionalism and how they both managed their situation. In fact, Melo is handling things like a man, whereas LeBron acted like a needy child who wanted attention.

kblo247
01-16-2011, 08:03 AM
Looks like the 3 way may be a little bit more likely as Detorit is already talking about flipping Murphy:


The Detriot Pistons, sources say, are already fielding calls from teams interested in floor-stretching big man Troy Murphy.

The lefty isn't even a Piston yet, but the rumbles have already started about Murphy attracting the interest of numerous contenders (Orlando, Dallas, San Antonio and more) if he does end up in Detroit as part of a Carmelo Anthony deal.

The Pistons, though, are telling teams that they can't buy Murphy out of his contract to make him a free agent because of financial restrictions stemming from the pending sale of the franchise, which has also limited Detroit's ability to consider anything other than money-shedding trades in recent months.

Stein - Daily Dime (http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-110114-16/howard-qa)

millerandco
01-16-2011, 08:12 AM
if i was him i'd go ny and bring them back to the playoffs...in their new arena he'll be a hero

arkanian215
01-16-2011, 08:24 AM
That is why Chauncey is being sent out with him in a nutshell.

As for Melo's dream watch the interview and see his face when he says "Brooklyn Net"

There's a vid? I thought there was only a transcript.

Hindy27
01-16-2011, 08:36 AM
There's a vid? I thought there was only a transcript.
Yep, I posted it back on about page 5, but here it is.

The Interview (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6023501)

Watch that and marvel at how it's been spun into the Knicks being his 'ultimate dream'. When he talks about home he is talking Brooklyn, not NYC or Manhattan but Brooklyn. Then see his face as he talks about opening the new stadium.:D

JayW_1023
01-16-2011, 08:45 AM
How is telling a team "I won't extend" weaseling out? '

He has played his contract out for 7.5 years and is willing to keep playing it out through the year. He told Denver upfront what his intentions were and never asked for a trade. Denver Nuggets "sources" tried to threaten him with that extend or we trade you ultimatum.

Their discussions have gotten out because of front offices sources according to most reporter, Chauncey's agent leaked part of the deal, but Melo hasn't said anything besides answer a question about what it will be like to play in his home and that he will compete for the Nuggets as long as he is on their roster.

As for his legacy. How about never missing the postseason and always having a winning team, with a team that hadn't done either for 8 straight years. The fact is he has an impact on all of those teammates playing better, and Denver made personnel moves that were poor and without ever consulting him about them unlike in the case of LeBron.

What he did isn't similar to LeBron as he isn't holding a sitcom, he isn't having multiple people fly out to his hometown and meet them, he signed away rights to ESPN to have the first crack at his decision, and he isn't putting over his free agency during the NBA Finals either. The guy was open with Denver's FO by their own admission about not re-signing there from day one, so he gave them no false hope about if they wreck their cap just a little bit more he would stay (Shaq and Jamison). He also made it possible to get something more in return than a TPE and a few picks. The two are world's apart in their professionalism and how they both managed their situation. In fact, Melo is handling things like a man, whereas LeBron acted like a needy child who wanted attention.

The least he could do is play out his contract, but he can't even do that. That is just unprofessional. Melo just comes across as a spoiled child not getting his wowwipop if he stays in Denver or gets traded to anywhere but New York. It's not like he was in a bad situation in Denver. He is winning there and is the face of the franchise. Even if he does play out his contract he is causing distractions from everyone on that Nuggets organisation, players and staff alike to try and help that franchise succeed...without it being called for. And his play has also been half hearted and substandstard because of it.

What kind of poor management moves do you mean. I hope you don't mean trading Allen Iverson for Chauncey Billups. Or continue adding good role players around Melo like Ty Lawson and Aran Afflalo. Even when Kenyon Martin got injured they still have George Karl, who had to fight cancer, and he for one wanted to get back to coaching. Melo just quit on his team when he is still signed there...and as an athlete making millions, I believe you owe it to your franchise to play for the team as long as that contract you signed is honored. Sorry, that's the contrary of professionalism.

Melo has always been an afterthought after Wade and LBJ since they were drafted. It seems to me he is just desperate to get his due by enjoying the bright lights. The laughable part is that from a basketball standpoint, Melo might actually screw up the chemistry New York has captured this season...adding a guy who needs 20 plus shots is sure to have a negative effect on the Knicks' offensive balance.

Of course what LeBron did wasn't classy either, but at least he honored his contract until he made the decision to leave. Melo cannot wait even half a season. And that is very disrespectful in my opinion.

sintaks12
01-16-2011, 08:51 AM
Yep, I posted it back on about page 5, but here it is.

The Interview (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6023501)

Watch that and marvel at how it's been spun into the Knicks being his 'ultimate dream'. When he talks about home he is talking Brooklyn, not NYC or Manhattan but Brooklyn. Then see his face as he talks about opening the new stadium.:D

I'll agree that his comments in the video make it appear that he wants to go to NJ. But his comments before Saturdays game sing a whole different tune. "I don't have time to wait" and "I want to win now" and "if I have to take less money to win I will"... not exactly a ringing endorsement for a move to NJ.

arkanian215
01-16-2011, 08:55 AM
Yep, I posted it back on about page 5, but here it is.

The Interview (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6023501)

Watch that and marvel at how it's been spun into the Knicks being his 'ultimate dream'. When he talks about home he is talking Brooklyn, not NYC or Manhattan but Brooklyn. Then see his face as he talks about opening the new stadium.:D

I dunno about that. I don't even know if he has actual ties to the community other than his family. I mean who does he know from there? He did leave when he was 8.

arkanian215
01-16-2011, 08:57 AM
I'll agree that his comments in the video make it appear that he wants to go to NJ. But his comments before Saturdays game sing a whole different tune. "I don't have time to wait" and "I want to win now" and "if I have to take less money to win I will"... not exactly a ringing endorsement for a move to NJ.

It was made to appear that he wants to go to NJ? The Nets aren't even tagged in that video.

Hindy27
01-16-2011, 09:03 AM
I'll agree that his comments in the video make it appear that he wants to go to NJ. But his comments before Saturdays game sing a whole different tune. "I don't have time to wait" and "I want to win now" and "if I have to take less money to win I will"... not exactly a ringing endorsement for a move to NJ.
lol, that's just media speak, every player claims they only want to win. He has also said the extension is a priority.

Melo's agents will get him to sign the extension, so IMO he's staying in Denver or going to whoever Denver does a trade with, one of those 2 options, I don't think he's waiting and losing so many millions.

Also Knicks fans claim that Melo has made it clear that he wants the Knicks and Knicks only. I wouldn't mind seeing exactly when and where that happened, I don't recall seeing any quotes or videos of him saying it.


I dunno about that. I don't even know if he has actual ties to the community other than his family. I mean who does he know from there? He did leave when he was 8.
Did you watch the video?
It's obvious that when he says home he is talking Brooklyn. Whatever age he was when he left is irrelevant, he thinks of Brooklyn as his home, no one else can tell him where he thinks his home is.

sintaks12
01-16-2011, 09:04 AM
It was made to appear that he wants to go to NJ? The Nets aren't even tagged in that video.

His face lit up when talking about going to Brooklyn and "opening that arena"... "opening night would be amazing"... etc. I came away thinking his mind was made up that he's going to NJ. Saturday's comments changed that a little. It seems to me like he's stalling. Why I wonder? If he wanted Jersey why didn't it get done already or at least a public commitment to NJ? Is he stalling for NY to get their package ready? I dunno man, it hurts my brain. It's a soap opera. One big giant annoying soap opera... yet I can't stop reading about it, lol.

sintaks12
01-16-2011, 09:08 AM
lol, that's just media speak, every player claims they only want to win. He has also said the extension is a priority.

Melo's agents will get him to sign the extension, so IMO he's staying in Denver or going to whoever Denver does a trade with, one of those 2 options, I don't think he's waiting and losing so many millions.

Also Knicks fans claim that Melo has made it clear that he wants the Knicks and Knicks only. I wouldn't mind seeing exactly when and where that happened, I don't recall seeing any quotes or videos of him saying it.

Fair enough, but to your point it's all media speak. It's all fluff. You can't pick out comments and say "these were legit but these were just media speak" to build your argument. Truth is, he's hedging big time. He's given no indication either way. Comments from "The Interview" and comments before Saturday's game contradict each other... whether they're legit or not.

Hindy27
01-16-2011, 09:14 AM
Fair enough, but to your point it's all media speak. It's all fluff. You can't pick out comments and say "these were legit but these were just media speak" to build your argument. Truth is, he's hedging big time. He's given no indication either way. Comments from "The Interview" and comments before Saturday's game contradict each other... whether they're legit or not.
You're right.
I'm not trying to convince anyone that he will go to the Nets. I have only jumped in and shown the video and mentioned it because it's obvious that he doesn't hate the idea. We've been getting told for a long time by Knicks fans that Melo doesn't want to go to the Nets and apparently looked like he was going to puke when told he was going there, from that other video.

On this video Melo hardly looks disappointed when talking about Brooklyn and the new stadium. So really my argument is just that the Nets are a bigger chance than they've been given credit for over the last few months.

arkanian215
01-16-2011, 09:27 AM
His face lit up when talking about going to Brooklyn and "opening that arena"... "opening night would be amazing"... etc. I came away thinking his mind was made up that he's going to NJ. Saturday's comments changed that a little. It seems to me like he's stalling. Why I wonder? If he wanted Jersey why didn't it get done already or at least a public commitment to NJ? Is he stalling for NY to get their package ready? I dunno man, it hurts my brain. It's a soap opera. One big giant annoying soap opera... yet I can't stop reading about it, lol.

I'm saying, if that video was spun for the Nets, why aren't they tagged for the video?
Tags: carmelo anthony, new york knicks

Anilyzer
01-16-2011, 09:37 AM
The least he could do is play out his contract, but he can't even do that. That is just unprofessional. Melo just comes across as a spoiled child not getting his wowwipop if he stays in Denver or gets traded to anywhere but New York. It's not like he was in a bad situation in Denver. He is winning there and is the face of the franchise. Even if he does play out his contract he is causing distractions from everyone on that Nuggets organisation, players and staff alike to try and help that franchise succeed...without it being called for. And his play has also been half hearted and substandstard because of it.

What kind of poor management moves do you mean. I hope you don't mean trading Allen Iverson for Chauncey Billups. Or continue adding good role players around Melo like Ty Lawson and Aran Afflalo. Even when Kenyon Martin got injured they still have George Karl, who had to fight cancer, and he for one wanted to get back to coaching. Melo just quit on his team when he is still signed there...and as an athlete making millions, I believe you owe it to your franchise to play for the team as long as that contract you signed is honored. Sorry, that's the contrary of professionalism.

Melo has always been an afterthought after Wade and LBJ since they were drafted. It seems to me he is just desperate to get his due by enjoying the bright lights. The laughable part is that from a basketball standpoint, Melo might actually screw up the chemistry New York has captured this season...adding a guy who needs 20 plus shots is sure to have a negative effect on the Knicks' offensive balance.

Of course what LeBron did wasn't classy either, but at least he honored his contract until he made the decision to leave. Melo cannot wait even half a season. And that is very disrespectful in my opinion.


1. Carmelo IS playing out his contract

2. He states in the video that he never said he wanted to leave Denver--he just said he didn't want to sign an extension, and to see what his options were. THAT'S when Denver started trying to trade him, pressuring him to sign WITH OTHER TEAMS.

Get that part. DENVER ISN'T PRESSURING HIM TO SIGIN IN DENVER. DENVER IS PRESSURING HIM TO SIGN IN NEW JERSEY.

That is so that Denver can get a bunch of picks and players. Then they are turning around and saying *ooooh, it's like Lebron, he won't sign*

people just have it so twisted I don't know where to begin. Denver isn't even trying to re-sign him. They're trying to force him to sign in NJ, so they can get rebuilding pieces. And he never tried to do anything else than play out the season.

From watching the video... first he says "I don't know where this New Jersey story got started, I never even thought about that before", but then yeah talking about the Brooklyn possibility and all that, it makes him smile. Does that mean he go to New Jersey... I didn't get that. But it did make it seem like a possibility.

But I really get the vibe even from that video that he doesn't want to be traded at all. He loves Denver, he wants to play out the season, test free agency... and is probably looking to sign with the Knicks.

Carmelo doesn't owe Denver draft picks and players to build their franchise... where did this thing start that if you are a team, and you have a really good player, but that player decides to go elsewhere in free agency, then the player, the new team, the league, the media --- everybody owes you respect, everybody owes you draft picks, compensation

I mean, that is free agency. Deal with it. It's just one player. Kobe's got 5 rings. Lebron's got zero rings. But if Kobe wanted off the Lakers, if Kobe told the Laker owner he wanted out, he'd be traded the next day man. And the Lakers would still be strong.

don't tell me no more about Lebron. The Cleveland situation was ********. The way Cleveland acted was flat out ********. Seriously... they should just sell that team and do something else... move the Cavs to New Mexico or something... Biloxi or something. If they act that ******** about Lebron leaving, then they deserve everythign they get, including the TV show and the "uh, uh, uh, ok, the team I choose is.... k-kl-kle-klev------- MIAMI!!"

Carmelo on the Knicks would be huge for the league.

sintaks12
01-16-2011, 09:40 AM
...apparently looked like he was going to puke when told he was going there, from that other video.

LOL. Overreact... we Knick fans? Naw. :D


On this video Melo hardly looks disappointed when talking about Brooklyn and the new stadium.

This is for certain. He seemed giddy to me, actually. Made me a believer, until Saturday's comments. I wonder if he realizes the impact his indecision is having on everyone else? That it will potentially affect up to 15 players lives... that all deadline trades are on hold until he makes up his mind. Dude needs to grow a set and make a decision already.

sintaks12
01-16-2011, 09:41 AM
I'm saying, if that video was spun for the Nets, why aren't they tagged for the video?

LOL, I can't answer that.

kblo247
01-16-2011, 09:57 AM
The least he could do is play out his contract, but he can't even do that. That is just unprofessional. Melo just comes across as a spoiled child not getting his wowwipop if he stays in Denver or gets traded to anywhere but New York. It's not like he was in a bad situation in Denver. He is winning there and is the face of the franchise. Even if he does play out his contract he is causing distractions from everyone on that Nuggets organisation, players and staff alike to try and help that franchise succeed...without it being called for. And his play has also been half hearted and substandstard because of it.

Melo at no point has said he won't play out his contract for Denver or any other team not located in the state of New York. He said he wouldn't not extend with Denver. There is a big difference. If he extended with Denver he would be extending with a team that could lose every member of its core this year because of how all their contracts are structured. The only reason Denver has won the past 7.5 years is because of Carmelo as he turned that franchise around after 8 straight losing seasons. The guy has had that team in the playoffs every year since he entered the league despite multiple coaches, multiple PGs with different playing styles, and Nene/K-Mart/Anderson being often injured. The only reason that they are winning this year is because he took up the slack that Denver's management created by not getting a capable big to compensate for Bridman and K-Mart being out with knee surgeries. Carmelo has one of the best opponent PER markets for opposing SFs in the league this year. He is the best rebounding SF in the league currently and has spent the majority of the year playing out of position for large spurts at PF and being Denver's lone post presence. While Nene and Chauncey were banged up and underperforming and JR was plain underperforming, Melo carried that team to start the year. You should also know that the players themselves said Melo has addressed the situation to them and told them he believes they can win together IF HEALTHY and that his main focus is winning together as a unit as long as he is a Nugget.


What kind of poor management moves do you mean. I hope you don't mean trading Allen Iverson for Chauncey Billups. Or continue adding good role players around Melo like Ty Lawson and Aran Afflalo. Even when Kenyon Martin got injured they still have George Karl, who had to fight cancer, and he for one wanted to get back to coaching. Melo just quit on his team when he is still signed there...and as an athlete making millions, I believe you owe it to your franchise to play for the team as long as that contract you signed is honored. Sorry, that's the contrary of professionalism.

Melo never did quit on his team, to imply that would mean he is pulling a Vince Carter or a LeBron James versus Boston. They were forced into the AI trade so I won't go there about them giving up Miller, and flipping him for Billups was good. Denver let Marcus Camby, a DPOY to go for nothing but to cut salary by their own admission. They let Kleiza walk away for nothing after showing that he was a weapon that they needed against LA. This season the Nuggets knew going in that they would be without Anderson and Martin for an extended time and they went got Harrington and Shelden Williams to replace them and their defense, which they did not. The Nuggets openly said this summer that they have made no plans for being without Karl this year, which is just inept management after the debacle that happened last year when they had no suitable substitute coach. The management by Melo's own admission didn't even come to him on personnel decisions or give him a heads up in the past or their big trades and signings, which is no way to treat a star player (at least give him warning, you don't have to give him veto power)


Melo has always been an afterthought after Wade and LBJ since they were drafted. It seems to me he is just desperate to get his due by enjoying the bright lights. The laughable part is that from a basketball standpoint, Melo might actually screw up the chemistry New York has captured this season...adding a guy who needs 20 plus shots is sure to have a negative effect on the Knicks' offensive balance.

Why are you talking about the Knicks solely? In that ESPN interview he was asked about playing at home in Brooklyn and his thoughts on that. He has been on record of saying he will play wherever they send him, but he won't extend just anywhere for the sake of extending and the money. It is his right to not be forced into signing an extension with any team that Denver just pawns him off to. He shouldn't have to just extend with anyone to give the Nuggets a better deal. As for Melo being disruptive, you are kidding yourself as he has an overall skill set that is second only to Kobe. The guy can post up, hit the long ball, shoot the mid range, drive, finish, and play with and without the ball while also defending one on one and rebounding. The fact is in an option who shoots double digit shot attempts would be sent out and he would by far be the best scorer on that team.


Of course what LeBron did wasn't classy either, but at least he honored his contract until he made the decision to leave. Melo cannot wait even half a season. And that is very disrespectful in my opinion.

Once again, at no time has Melo said I will not honor my contract. The Denver sources that leaked him not signing an extension said he told them he would play the year out and then look at his options. He went to his management privately and let it be known that he wouldn't signing an esctension there. Inside team sources leaked it to the media and the front office tried to blackmail him into extending publicly. They are the ones who said extend or be traded. since Melo didn't blink, Denver explored trade options and any team that wants Melo beyond just a simple renting wants him to sign an extension if they are to give back value in a trade. The fact is it is Carmelo's right to not extend with anyone who he is traded to. He doesn't owe the Nuggets to the point that he has to agree to give up 4 years of his prime on a team he doesn't want to be on just so they can get more pieces that they like. He didn't even have to let them know that he was going to explore free agency and not extend with Denver much like LeBron and Bosh did, thus giving them false hope and only being able to receive TPEs back in a possible sign and trade. So, your whole pretense of he can't wait half a season is woefully uninformed because Melo has openly said he will wait, while Denver are the ones who want to get rid of him before losing him for nothing this summer. Melo being honest with Denver and allowing them to have the choice of trading him now and getting some value back or preparing for simply letting him walk this summer is more professional than LeBron was.

Young and Stupid
01-16-2011, 10:17 AM
I'm saying, if that video was spun for the Nets, why aren't they tagged for the video?

They didn't say it was "spun" for the Nets, they said the video displays that Carmelo seems open to the idea of going to the Nets and opening up the Barclays Center.

It was spun in favor of the Knicks because it's ESPN-NY, not ESPN-NJ. Knicks writers and fans heard that his ultimate dream was New York and dismissed practically every other part of the interview.

I apologize if you're being facetious and I'm not picking up on it.

allSUAVE
01-16-2011, 10:35 AM
Why the hell would he go to the nets , majority of newyorkers would hate him for that ..and he would team up with amar'e ,in the second best arena in the nba behind the staple center ;)

jimm120
01-16-2011, 11:16 AM
The least he could do is play out his contract, but he can't even do that. That is just unprofessional. Melo just comes across as a spoiled child not getting his wowwipop if he stays in Denver or gets traded to anywhere but New York. It's not like he was in a bad situation in Denver. He is winning there and is the face of the franchise. Even if he does play out his contract he is causing distractions from everyone on that Nuggets organisation, players and staff alike to try and help that franchise succeed...without it being called for. And his play has also been half hearted and substandstard because of it.


Hello!?

Melo has NOT said, "trade me". He'll gladly play out this season with the team.

All he's done is REFUSE THE EXTENSION.

Denver has opted to trade him instead of playing out the year with him.

Denver is trying to force him to sign an extension with whichever team they send him to.

He says "no".

No one wants to trade for him for only 4 months AND give up what Denver is asking for.



The situation is quite simple. And in no way is this even close to what LeBron did. This is the TEAM, not the player producing this situation.

jimm120
01-16-2011, 11:18 AM
Why the hell would he go to the nets , majority of newyorkers would hate him for that ..and he would team up with amar'e ,in the second best arena in the nba behind the staple center ;)

Melo can pick whatever team he wants.

I hope he goes to the Knicks. But that isn't a certainty.

He might pick up the Denver extension or sign an extension with the team he's traded to.

He might go to free agency and sign with someone else.

All we know is that he lived his first few years here in NY, likes NY, and hopes to play there one day. But that doesn't mean that he's gonna sign here.

Still, in all these talks, I just want people to realize that this isn't Melo requesting trades. This is Melo refusing the extension (so far) and Denver wanting to trade him.

Confusious
01-16-2011, 11:37 AM
His own fault he hasn't slept.

Just say you want to be traded. It's not that difficult. We all KNOW you want to be.

JOSKOMANG4
01-16-2011, 11:52 AM
They need to restructure the deal. Chauncey Billups wants no part in NJ, so therefore either keep D.Harris or make another trade!

Proposal 1: Pistons, Nuggets, Nets

- Nets acquire SF Melo, SG Rip, & PF/SF R.Balkman

- Nuggets acquire PF D.Favors, SG A.Morrow, SF/SG'S Q.Ross & S.Graham, PG B.Uzoh, & 2-2011 1st rd picks.

- Pistons acquire C J.Petro, C/PF T.Murphy, & 2011 2nd rd pick(V/Nets)

Nets LIneup:

C) Lopez
PF) Humphries/Balkman
SF) Melo/Outlaw/James
SG) RIp/Sasha
PG) D.Harris/Farmar

- If they can pick up a center, combo guard, & another front man.

or...

4 way trade: Suns/Nets/Nuggets/Pistons

- Suns acquire PG D.Harris, SF/SG Q.Ross, & 2012 1st rd pick(v/nets)

- Nets acquire PG S.Nash, SF Melo, SG Rip, C/PF S.Williams,PG A.Carter, & PF R.Balkman

- Pistons acquire C J.Petro, C/PF Murphy, & 2011 2nd rd pick(V.Nets)

- Nuggets acquire Favors, Morrow, Graham, Uzoh, G.Siler(C-Suns), & 2-2011 1st rd picks(Nets).

Lineup:

C) Lopez/S.Williams
PF) Murphy/Humphries/Balkman
SF) Melo/Outlaw/James
SG) Rip/Sasha
PG) Nash/Farmar/Carter

- Maybe Detroit will buyout T.Murphy & he'll return to NJ! Nash lives in the Metro area so I wouldnt be surprised if he took this deal. SUns get a younger PG(Harris), expiring(ross), and a future 1st rd pick!

Sandman
01-16-2011, 12:16 PM
I don't care if the Nets play in Brooklyn, they're still the Clippers of New York.

metsfanssince05
01-16-2011, 12:38 PM
I don't care if the Nets play in Brooklyn, they're still the Clippers of New York.
before we say that we have to win championships

Hindy27
01-16-2011, 12:59 PM
I don't care if the Nets play in Brooklyn, they're still the Clippers of New York.
lol, so are the Knicks.

For this little Clippers insult to work then one team needs to be successful, the Knicks are still very Clipper-ish, they just have more fans, but fans don't bring championships.

sintaks12
01-16-2011, 01:11 PM
lol, so are the Knicks.

For this little Clippers insult to work then one team needs to be successful, the Knicks are still very Clipper-ish, they just have more fans, but fans don't bring championships.

I think he meant that there will be two NBA teams in the same city and that the Nets will always play second fiddle to the Knicks. I mean, will be people in NY/Brooklyn just suddenly jump on the Nets bandwagon after the move? Doubtful.

knicksfan42
01-16-2011, 01:18 PM
I think he meant that there will be two NBA teams in the same city and that the Nets will always play second fiddle to the Knicks. I mean, will be people in NY/Brooklyn just suddenly jump on the Nets bandwagon after the move? Doubtful.

Yep, they are going to be the other NY team. No matter how well the Clippers do, even if they have a better record than the Lakers, a much better record, they will always be overshadowed by the Lakers. Same situation with the Nets when they move to Brooklyn.

allSUAVE
01-16-2011, 01:24 PM
lol, so are the Knicks.

For this little Clippers insult to work then one team needs to be successful, the Knicks are still very Clipper-ish, they just have more fans, but fans don't bring championships.

NETS IS RELEVANT..nets would love to have the knicks fans,love to have the 2nd best arena in the league and love to have amare .so from that signing off ...and yes ima laker fan ,but gotta represent for the hometown i wus born in .

Hindy27
01-16-2011, 01:28 PM
I think he meant that there will be two NBA teams in the same city and that the Nets will always play second fiddle to the Knicks. I mean, will be people in NY/Brooklyn just suddenly jump on the Nets bandwagon after the move? Doubtful.
As long as the Nets start winning again I couldn't give flying **** if they're still regarded as the 2nd team. If they do start winning I'm sure there will be enough bandwagoners to jump on board.

The Lakers cast a big successful shadow over the Clippers, the shadow the Knicks cast over the Nets is only fan support. In the words of DC "whoop de damn do".

Sandman
01-16-2011, 01:32 PM
before we say that we have to win championships

Hey, I didn't say the Knicks were the Lakers :p

jimm120
01-16-2011, 01:34 PM
before we say that we have to win championships

Oh so true. We need to actually win before the Brookyn Nets become the clippers. We had an EXTREMELY solid team during the early 90's and a great team during the late 90's. We didn't visit the finals at least 3 times and didn't win at least once (and I think the KNicks could have won 2 times during the 90's) because of Jordan (which is the case for many other players...but the Knicks truly were a force...they could have reached the finals so many times if not knocked out by the Bulls).



Quite honestly, I just think that if there was a franchise in Brooklyn when I was growing up in the 90's, I would have rooted for them over the Knicks...well, maybe not because Ewing was so good.

THE GIPPER
01-16-2011, 01:44 PM
^^ 10 links to the same website...wow.

oak2455
01-16-2011, 01:52 PM
Knicks fans let's get Melo on the team, show your support!

http://wewantmelo.com
http://wewantmelo.com
http://wewantmelo.com
http://wewantmelo.com
http://wewantmelo.com

http://wewantmelo.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wewantmeloweb2.jpg

who the hell is in that video looks like some clowns:p

NYYCowboys
01-16-2011, 02:08 PM
Are the people who are Nets fans in this forum from Jersey? Because I know in NY there is absolutely no one who cares about/follows the Nets.

Young and Stupid
01-16-2011, 02:11 PM
Are the people who are Nets fans in this forum from Jersey? Because I know in NY there is absolutely no one who cares about/follows the Nets.

Born AND raised in Manhattan. I hate Jersey, worst state in the country.

BigBlueCrew
01-16-2011, 02:17 PM
Are the people who are Nets fans in this forum from Jersey? Because I know in NY there is absolutely no one who cares about/follows the Nets.

Thats what I thought. I never thought the Knicks had a rivalry with the Nets not during the 90's, 2000's and not now. Mikail Proky (cant spell the dude's last name) is just trying to drum up some fraudulent rivalry for the sake of business.

Robbw241
01-16-2011, 02:18 PM
Born AND raised in Manhattan. I hate Jersey, worst state in the country.

Don't make me pull out the state rankings again.

mike_noodles
01-16-2011, 02:19 PM
I'm starting think all this melo talk is just NBA propaganda.

oak2455
01-16-2011, 02:19 PM
Don't make me pull out the state rankings again.

I'm curious :D

Young and Stupid
01-16-2011, 02:28 PM
Don't make me pull out the state rankings again.

We went over this already, the rankings don't mean ****. Jersey is Jersey, that's not going to change because of per-capita ratings or surveys. **** Jersey.

Evolution23
01-16-2011, 02:32 PM
We went over this already, the rankings don't mean ****. Jersey is Jersey, that's not going to change because of per-capita ratings or surveys. **** Jersey.

lol so true

jimm120
01-16-2011, 02:43 PM
lol.

Jersey is to New York as Canada is to the USA.


but worse...

Young and Stupid
01-16-2011, 02:49 PM
lol.

Jersey is to New York as Canada is to the USA.


but worse...

Let me preface this by saying that I'm on the New York side, Jersey ain't ****, but:

So you're saying that Jersey is a progressive, well-run, economically-stable, cultured, intelligent, civil and logical state while New York is a primitive state which fosters radical religious practices, ignorance, and carelessness while also being violent, short-sighted, incredibly selfish, uninformed and insane? But worse.

Robbw241
01-16-2011, 02:53 PM
Let me preface this by saying that I'm on the New York side, Jersey ain't ****, but:

So you're saying that Jersey is a progressive, well-run, economically-stable, cultured, intelligent, civil and logical state while New York is a primitive state which fosters radical religious practices, ignorance, and carelessness while also being violent, short-sighted, incredibly selfish, uninformed and insane? But worse.

That's about right.

Oldmantrash
01-16-2011, 03:00 PM
Are the people who are Nets fans in this forum from Jersey? Because I know in NY there is absolutely no one who cares about/follows the Nets.

That is incorrect

I grew up in Brooklyn a Nets fan,and had many friends that were too.
Once we go there,you will se them all come out more.

Not saying they have as many fans as the Knicks,they don't,but they have enough in NYC to start selling out regurlay when they are good.

JOSKOMANG4
01-16-2011, 03:03 PM
Okay.. fan wise.. the Knicks > Nets anytime of day.. but stat wise.. lets compare since 2000!

Fact: knicks havent had a winning season since 2000-2001 season!

Fact: Nets made 2 NBA Final appearances at the time; but doubtfully havent had a winning season since 2007-2008 season.

mike_noodles
01-16-2011, 04:17 PM
lol.

Jersey is to New York as Canada is to the USA.


but worse...

Yeah, another ignorant American opens his mouth. Canada does nothing for the US, other then supply most (if not all) of the northern US with electricity, provide more then 50% of the lumber used in the US, provide natural gas, fresh water, shipping lanes for the great lakes, etc, etc... And we also provide a well known and respected flag for you guys to sew on your back packs overseas cause the rest of the world hates you. Go educate yourself about my country before you speak ill of it, the only thing you likely know about the country is a couple of cities that are here.

Edit: Just noticed you're not even in America, but I stand by my statement.

Sandman
01-16-2011, 04:20 PM
Yeah, another ignorant American opens his mouth. Canada does nothing for the US, other then supply most (if not all) of the northern US with electricity, provide more then 50% of the lumber used in the US, provide natural gas, fresh water, shipping lanes for the great lakes, etc, etc... And we also provide a well known and respected flag for you guys to sew on your back packs overseas cause the rest of the world hates you. Go educate yourself about my country before you speak ill of it, the only thing you likely know about the country is a couple of cities that are here.

And Jerseys stores our landfills, they're useful too.

DoMeFavors
01-16-2011, 04:37 PM
Are the people who are Nets fans in this forum from Jersey? Because I know in NY there is absolutely no one who cares about/follows the Nets.

Yes I live in New Jersey, its no question Knicks have a larger fan base. But I could careless.

Knickrocketsfan
01-16-2011, 04:46 PM
Born AND raised in Manhattan. I hate Jersey, worst state in the country.

YOU ARE HILARIOUS..really worst state, i guess you should go to Alaska or something you douche

Knickrocketsfan
01-16-2011, 04:48 PM
Yeah, another ignorant American opens his mouth. Canada does nothing for the US, other then supply most (if not all) of the northern US with electricity, provide more then 50% of the lumber used in the US, provide natural gas, fresh water, shipping lanes for the great lakes, etc, etc... And we also provide a well known and respected flag for you guys to sew on your back packs overseas cause the rest of the world hates you. Go educate yourself about my country before you speak ill of it, the only thing you likely know about the country is a couple of cities that are here.

Edit: Just noticed you're not even in America, but I stand by my statement.

You are correct.. The funny thing is that the US is trying to slowly invest more into Canada and that is actually causing a split politically speaking.

DoMeFavors
01-16-2011, 04:50 PM
YOU ARE HILARIOUS..really worst state, i guess you should go to Alaska or something you douche

I perfer living in a quiet state where I can actually drive a car. I dont know what part of NJ they are talking about but where im from its beatiful.

Knickrocketsfan
01-16-2011, 04:58 PM
I perfer living in a quiet state where I can actually drive a car. I dont know what part of NJ they are talking about but where im from its beatiful.

i think you miss understood me. I live in jersey and love it. I was saying that jersey is not the worst state to live in. The funny thing is most people who live in Jersey Work in New York.

newbs001
01-16-2011, 06:35 PM
AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
One source close to Carmelo's camp can't see him extending with Nets: "It doesn't make sense. There's a reason the trade hasn't went down."
11 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Don't get me wrong, New York is still Melo's preferred destination. But Melo has to make it "Knicks or nothing" if he wants to land there.
22 minutes ago

Kashmir13579
01-16-2011, 06:40 PM
AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
One source close to Carmelo's camp can't see him extending with Nets: "It doesn't make sense. There's a reason the trade hasn't went down."
11 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Don't get me wrong, New York is still Melo's preferred destination. But Melo has to make it "Knicks or nothing" if he wants to land there.
22 minutes ago

NOTHING is true

DenButsu
01-16-2011, 08:48 PM
Yeah, another ignorant American opens his mouth. Canada does nothing for the US, other then supply most (if not all) of the northern US with electricity, provide more then 50% of the lumber used in the US, provide natural gas, fresh water, shipping lanes for the great lakes, etc, etc... And we also provide a well known and respected flag for you guys to sew on your back packs overseas cause the rest of the world hates you. Go educate yourself about my country before you speak ill of it, the only thing you likely know about the country is a couple of cities that are here.

Edit: Just noticed you're not even in America, but I stand by my statement.

I was with you until you overreached witht he bolded part... you undermined your credibility by swinging the pendulum back too far the other way.

/off-topic/


----------------------------------------------------------


As for the "ultimate dream", I'm still of the opinion that the real "ultimate dream" involves not only going to New York (or another major media market), not only placating Lala, not only getting out of Denver, but also getting paid that extension money. Ultimately, his greed will temper his dreams. Bank on it.

Crackadalic
01-16-2011, 09:19 PM
I dont have the link but i was just watching nba tv and david aldridge said the nets were giving permission to talk to Carmelo Anthony. This could be big

DenButsu
01-16-2011, 09:30 PM
I dont have the link but i was just watching nba tv and david aldridge said the nets were giving permission to talk to Carmelo Anthony. This could be big

If that's true it probably means the 3 teams have put the framework of a deal close enough together that they think they can proceed if Melo will agree to extend in NJ.

kblo247
01-16-2011, 09:38 PM
If that's true it probably means the 3 teams have put the framework of a deal close enough together that they think they can proceed if Melo will agree to extend in NJ.

This.

Plus the fact that Melo can hear what the owner's actual vision for the team is instead of blindly signing with a team or giving the Nets any inclination that he will just stay with them no matter what

Young and Stupid
01-16-2011, 09:44 PM
If that's true it probably means the 3 teams have put the framework of a deal close enough together that they think they can proceed if Melo will agree to extend in NJ.

But it could also be an indication that Melo is unwilling or hesitant to sign an extension with the Nets.

But I don't really care right now: Let's ****ing go, Steelers are next. Revenge Tour 2011, Flight Boys in the building -- the Swag Cats will be reporting to Dallas coming soon.

DenButsu
01-16-2011, 09:52 PM
But it could also be an indication that Melo is unwilling or hesitant to sign an extension with the Nets.

That permission would all be coming from the team/league side of the equation. I don't think it tells us anything about what Melo thinks. It's just that according to league rules NJN can't talk to Melo until a trade agreement is in place because to do so would be tampering. So permission to meet would indicate an agreed upon deal - which means nothing about whether Melo would or would not extend with the Nets.

oak2455
01-16-2011, 09:55 PM
I dont have the link but i was just watching nba tv and david aldridge said the nets were giving permission to talk to Carmelo Anthony. This could be big

really what has this guy ever broken besides a toilet seat?

Young and Stupid
01-16-2011, 09:58 PM
That permission would all be coming from the team/league side of the equation. I don't think it tells us anything about what Melo thinks. It's just that according to league rules NJN can't talk to Melo until a trade agreement is in place because to do so would be tampering. So permission to meet would indicate an agreed upon deal - which means nothing about whether Melo would or would not extend with the Nets.

Disagree. To me it's an indication that a meeting between Proky, Jay & Melo is necessary to convince him to sign the extension. Obviously, without the extension there is no deal.

oak2455
01-16-2011, 10:00 PM
stevekylerNBA Steve Kyler
Sources near Nuggets saying this is as good as the Nuggets locker room has been in years, and they won't break up the team on threats...

stevekylerNBA Steve Kyler
Nuggets are not convinced Melo will opt out, they are not sold New Jersey deal is best offer and are ready to wait out the trade deadline.

stevekylerNBA Steve Kyler
Still hearing Denver will not be Toronto or Cleveland, but they are also not ready to make a bad deal for their future just for Melo.

DenButsu
01-16-2011, 10:04 PM
Disagree. To me it's an indication that a meeting between Proky, Jay & Melo is necessary to convince him to sign the extension. Obviously, without the extension there is no deal.

If you disagree with a fact, the fact remains a fact. The Nuggets granting permission to talk tells us nothing new about Melo's frame of mind.

oak2455
01-16-2011, 10:06 PM
If you disagree with a fact, the fact remains a fact. The Nuggets granting permission to talk tells us nothing new about Melo's frame of mind.

I agree:D

kblo247
01-16-2011, 10:12 PM
I like how Knick fans ignore that Melo said he doesn't want to be part of a high tempo offensive team that doesn't play defense anymore at this stage of his career in reference to critiquing Dantoni's coaching style.

MSG34
01-16-2011, 10:16 PM
I like how Knick fans ignore that Melo said he doesn't want to be part of a high tempo offensive team that doesn't play defense anymore at this stage of his career in reference to critiquing Dantoni's coaching style.

Yep, you're right. That completely rules the knicks out. Carmelo definitely doesn't want to be part of the NYK. :facepalm:

kblo247
01-16-2011, 10:30 PM
Yep, you're right. That completely rules the knicks out. Carmelo definitely doesn't want to be part of the NYK. :facepalm:

I never said he didn't want to be a Knick, I'm just saying it isn't as one sided as many are presenting the argument to be. Just like Melo questions what the intentions of the Nets new owner is, he also knows that the style the Knicks play under Dantoni doesn't and won't win anything of substance in the postseason from past experience.

C-Style
01-16-2011, 11:13 PM
When Melo said NY would be a dream, he meant the state not the city.

Chronz
01-17-2011, 04:49 PM
You are the same guy who gave VC a pass for quitting on the Raptors by saying "VC had to not play hard to be dealt since they ignored his request the season before" so don't bring up honoring your contract.
So I cant bring it up in a discussion of Bron vs Melo because Vince did it, WTF. Dont make the mistake of thinking Im the one holding anything a player ever does against him. Each side has its own methods of escaping there is no honorable route to leave unless it you never talk about other teams and you wait until free agency to handle your business.


At no point has Melo said I won't honor my deal, he just said he won't sign an extension with Denver. It is his right to not extend with that team or pick up his option for next season.

He doesnt need to say it for us to notice his lethargic play and how its effected his team. Talking about the Ultimate Dream is disrespectful


Lets be real here the Nuggets went from 7 straight losing seasons to 1.5 straight winning seasons with Melo so he did something right.
1.5? Totally irrelevant besides he carried them in far less impressive fashion than true superstars have.


He has carried a team that that has had its bigs constantly injured, has delivered alongside PGs with three totally different games, and carried that team through multiple coaching changes without ever missing the postseason which is something LeBron can't claim throughout his stay in Cleveland.
LMFAO Bron doesnt need to, he can lay claim to a much more impressive resume.


Even if you want to talk about this season, Melo has played well. I have news for you a SF will struggle when they play out of position a lot and have to carry PF duties because management was too inept to bring in a quality big or bigs to give a team insurance when they know that they would be without their starting PF and primary backup big to start the year. Melo is the best rebounding SF in the league, he was their lone post presence to start the year as Nene began it by playing below par due to an injury. You are kidding yourself by pointing out that he is under performing when you know as well as I do that he has played out of position more so this season than in year's pass to make up for the teams decencies.

LMFAO Anthony has spent the VAST majority of his time at the 3 (and it hasnt been any different) in fact his production at the 4 however rare it may be has been slightly higher, which is what usually happens offensively, playing out of position doesn impact your game to this degree. Look at Bron, he played much better as a 4-Man in small ball situations.

And Denvers management hasnt been inept, they actually have a history of getting the most out of their minimal resources, the true difference lay in the caliber of their "star".


What teammates has he alienated? It can't be Kenyon Martin who said Melo had a right to ask for a deal because Denver hadn't given him help. It can't be JR Smith who has said that Melo hasn't changed how he deals with him. It can't be Chauncey even because Melo out right said he was sorry he got brought into the talks and may have to leave his family. It must be the comments he made about the fact that he feels Denver can compete if they are actually healthy (which they never are), and that he would come to play and help the Nuggets win as long as he works for them no matter what, that alienated them right?

Fair enough, I base my opinion of what Ive seen from the players. I wont blame Melo for their struggles, but his own have been visible enough.


Also you being a stats guy should appreciate that Melo makes his guys all play better historically - http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3438/carmelo.jpg

LOL In other words he does nothing no true superstar already does only at a far better rate, besides that analysis seems rather amateur, Ill tear it to shreds when I have the time.


You don't see the guy rocking New York gear to any Denver sports games or putting out New York themed shoes do you?

LOL I dont follow Melo around so how would I know, are you actually suggesting that had Melo supported the teams he grew up idolizing it would be a knock against him? Hes saying NY would be the ultimate dream, thats basically the same thing.


Watch the actual interview instead of acting like he just came out and said New York is a dream. Don't just take the article and quotes at face value when you can actually see for yourself what he said and determine what he meant. A reporter asked him about how it would feel to play where he grew up. The actual video interview focused on how returning to his home would feel to him as opposed to Melo just saying out of the blue how much he'd prefer the Knicks or Nets as opposed to the Nuggets.

Context understood, so whats the difference?


The fans boo because they remember what life before him was look. They were jokes and laughing stocks of the league for 8 years straight without the man. For the last 7.5 years they have always had a guaranteed playoff spot, winning record, and a full stadium. He revived that franchise, not anyone else and he was the piece that put them into contention the day the he was drafted. To lose that hurts like hell, but at the end of the day he is giving them the chance to get something for him whereas Amare, Bosh, and LeBron didn't do the same for their teams just a couple of months ago.
Incorrect, all those teams could have accepted a S&T for Beasley, but their negligence prevented them from doing so. And they boo because of the way Melo has performed as much as anything. If your gonna go out, go out with a bang. But out of curiosity, how is Melo giving them a chance to gain anything?


Whatever stance you may have on him, he is without a doubt one of the top players in the league both from a physical talent and overall skill standpoint and has been a game changer everywhere he has been from college to the Nuggets. He would change the fortune of the Nets right now even with the hole they are in and the Knicks would be contenders with him.

Hes also one of the few stars Ive seen complain about a great situation. A situation that anyone else would be thriving in.


Melo has been upfront since this summer about how he wouldn't sign the extension. LeBron by the Cav's own admission had them thinking he was going to stay in Cleveland. They fired a coach and GM as well as hired replacements for him and let him talk to them. The Cavs got LeBron the players that he asked for and had him sign off on every guy they brought in and traded for by his own admission beforehand. The Nuggets never let Carmelo know that they would just throw Camby away by his own admission, they never talked with him about letting Kleiza just walk, or came to him about the AI and Billups trade until after it happened. The way those two front offices treated and catered to their stars are world apart.
Bron wanted to stay in Cleveland, it wasnt until he realized his ultimate goal was impossible that he left. I have no problem with Melo doing the same, but atleast act like you want to be there. I also recognize that his failures with Denver are more a result of his shortcomings than was the case with Bron. Besides I dont know why your bringing up the moves theyve made when they have all been dynamite. Bron agreeing with the moves Cleveland made doesnt make them any better, it simply means he said yes to no brainer decisions.

Also the revenue and impact both stars have on their teams are worlds apart, when you have Bron who can contend with minimal support its easy to see why they catered to him. Melo isnt worthy of the same status, especially when you consider the fact that theyve been doing a great job of building the team considering their lack of a great star and minimal resources.


The way their stars were both open to their front offices about their intentions before hand and gave them no false hope are also worlds apart.

In order for this to be true, you must first prove that Bron never intended to stay in Cleveland.

Chronz
01-17-2011, 04:58 PM
Under a new CBA, which can have a new cap and shorter terms is ludicrous.
As you make your bed, so you must lie in it. Bron, Bosh and Wade all had the foresight and intelligence to give themselves an out. Melo was fooled by his agent into accepting his current deal, its why Melo has since fired the guy,


Why should he stay for a front office that hasn't given him reason to stay in the past, when the coach's future is uncertain, and when every member of the core can be gotten rid of this coming summer because of the way all their contracts are structured?

Again I could give 2 ****s what he ends up doing but their contracts expiring is precisely why he should wait it out and play out his contract. You mean to tell me Denvers situation would be alot rosier if K-Mart wasnt expiring?

Let me make one thing clear, I wont ever hold it against Melo for wanting to leave. But when you start comparing Melo's situation to others who have gone through the same ordeal, his situation seems alot less dire. In other words, stars with as much talent as he has usually dont want to leave.


Carmelo would also risk the Knicks being cap strapped this coming summer. The fact is Amare's salary will escalate. Chandler being a restricted free agent will likely cost them a pretty penny as well, so Melo would be hard pressed to simply assume he will get paid the salary he deserves and play with the Knicks current core talent as well if he waits till the summer. the fact is he would still play for a weak team that would have to package Gallo and some other pieces to make the swap this summer in a sign and trade scenario.

Umm I dont know if youve noticed but hes already making more than he deserves. And these are the risks you must take when you lack foresight. Im fine with him forcing his way to the Knicks now, just dont say its any more honorable than what Bron did. In fact so many stars have exited their teams in much more honorable fashion, even Kobe with his trashing of Bynum and *****y attitude about what Management did and didnt do had more honor to it because you understood his situation was much more dire.

When it comes to stars leaving, Melos indecision has been among the worst.

kblo247
01-17-2011, 05:50 PM
Let me start by saying damn you for so many quote boxes Chronz

So I cant bring it up in a discussion of Bron vs Melo because Vince did it, WTF. Dont make the mistake of thinking Im the one holding anything a player ever does against him. Each side has its own methods of escaping there is no honorable route to leave unless it you never talk about other teams and you wait until free agency to handle your business.
Carmelo has never said he couldn't wait until free agency. He went to his front office and told them his intentions privately and the front office made it public. They are the ones who said extend or be dealt. I do get what you are saying but you can't blame a guy who kept quiet and whose management leaked what he told them behind closed doors. He and his agent didn't release that he wouldn't extend to the public, Denver did so they need to carry the burden that came from making that PR decision.


He doesnt need to say it for us to notice his lethargic play and how its effected his team. Talking about the Ultimate Dream is disrespectfulTalking about the ultimate dream when a reporter asked what it would be liked to play at home in Brooklyn isn't disrespectful. Kobe has been asked about Italy, Yao about China, Odom about New York and so on. The fact is most ballers dreams about playing where they grew up and think of as their home.



1.5? Totally irrelevant besides he carried them in far less impressive fashion than true superstars have. I mean 7.5. How has he been less impressive in the better conference?



LMFAO Bron doesnt need to, he can lay claim to a much more impressive resume.Yeah, he can lay claim to a finals appearance but just like Melo he can't lay claim to any ring despite playing in the weaker conference. Lebron can't claim he has never missed the playoffs. Lebron also can't claim to not be the guy without HCA throughout the past 2 years and failing before everyone's eyes.



LMFAO Anthony has spent the VAST majority of his time at the 3 (and it hasnt been any different) in fact his production at the 4 however rare it may be has been slightly higher, which is what usually happens offensively, playing out of position doesn impact your game to this degree. Look at Bron, he played much better as a 4-Man in small ball situations.Playing out of position and with an undermanned and underperforming team to start the year will impact your efficiency. Billups, Nene, and Smith all struggled out of the gate so it wasn't like Melo was alone in his slight efficiency dip. He was the guy performing the best out of all of them to start the season and he was also playing better than both Durant and LeBron. Then the Denver lineups changed, his sister passed away, and the trade talk became increasingly public.



And Denvers management hasnt been inept, they actually have a history of getting the most out of their minimal resources, the true difference lay in the caliber of their "star". Are you truly saying that letting Camby go to save cash isn't being inept? Are you saying that letting Kleiza walked after he has proven that he can give the Lakers problems (team that eliminated them the 2 out of the last 3 years)? Are you saying that admitting to not having any coach in place in case Karl takes sick again after what happened last year is good management?



Fair enough, I base my opinion of what Ive seen from the players. I wont blame Melo for their struggles, but his own have been visible enough.
Fine


LOL In other words he does nothing no true superstar already does only at a far better rate, besides that analysis seems rather amateur, Ill tear it to shreds when I have the time.
OK


LOL I dont follow Melo around so how would I know, are you actually suggesting that had Melo supported the teams he grew up idolizing it would be a knock against him? Hes saying NY would be the ultimate dream, thats basically the same thing.
I'm saying that LeBron taking the time out as a Cav after a game with the Knicks and talking about what could be that summer is much worse than Melo answering an interviewers question about what he would think about playing in Brooklyn, which was what was asked of him.


Context understood, so whats the difference? The difference is that Carmelo never said I want to be a Knick or a Net. He still has never said he wants to play outside of Denver this year. If you are asked in the full interview as Melo explained on Twitter what was it like growing up in (whereever you grew up) and what would it be like to play there, you would likely describe it as a dream scenario, don't you think? Carmelo also drew parallels to the reaction and love that he sees Billups get from Denver and its fans and said he would like to at least know what it feels like to be in his shoes.

I agree that he should have shut up or maybe passed it off, but he spoke about nothing more than growing up in BK and what a dream it would be like to have fans and people see him play there. Guys like Alston, Artest, Odom, and Brand often say the same thing about playing at MSG.



Incorrect, all those teams could have accepted a S&T for Beasley, but their negligence prevented them from doing so. And they boo because of the way Melo has performed as much as anything. If your gonna go out, go out with a bang. But out of curiosity, how is Melo giving them a chance to gain anything? I agree with you that the situation has gotten overly dicey now, but we both know they boo the thought of him leaving them after turning years of losing into years of winning. The Suns fans would likely boo Nash in the same situation because even though he hasn't won a ring or made the Finals, he has given them many great performances and led them to the playoffs repeatedly.

Melo is giving them the chance to gain something by allowing them to trade him anywhere. He won't extend with any team but he told Kamla and Smitty early this year that if the Nuggets feel it is in their best interest he would play for any team that they trade him to. He has said he just won't extend with any team, but he also isn't threatening to just sit the season out if they trade him to a bottom feeder. It is up to the Nuggets to decide what is best for them.



Hes also one of the few stars Ive seen complain about a great situation. A situation that anyone else would be thriving in.

Do you know why he complained? David Aldridge reported at the beginning of the summer that Melo told them he wouldn't extend only after the Nuggets told him they wouldn't be able to tell him if his core in Nene, Martin, Billups, coach, and JR would be retained after this season. If you are a star and you have no idea if the same core that got you to the WCF will be kept around because of the way their deals are all structured you wouldn't extend either if it is about winning. He has seen this same routine before when they basically let guys walk to save bucks so he just didn't say okay I'll trust you and stay regardless of what you do with the guys around me.

Even to this day Carmelo has maintained his stance that they can compete for a title with the core intact and as long as they are healthy (especially Kenyon and Birdman). That stance hasn't changed which means his commitment and beliefs about his core hasn't wavered as much as the uncertainty about the future of that very core worried him.


Bron wanted to stay in Cleveland, it wasnt until he realized his ultimate goal was impossible that he left. I have no problem with Melo doing the same, but atleast act like you want to be there. I also recognize that his failures with Denver are more a result of his shortcomings than was the case with Bron. Besides I dont know why your bringing up the moves theyve made when they have all been dynamite. Bron agreeing with the moves Cleveland made doesnt make them any better, it simply means he said yes to no brainer decisions.Once again Melo has said he has no problem being there this year and in the future according to DA. The problem came when Denver couldn't tell him if his main support would be there.

Did he shoot the Nuggets out of the series versus the Spurs or was that Iverson? Was he the guy that hired the substitute coach for Karl or the one getting abused by Deron last year? Did Carmelo not be the primary scorer and defend the best player on the team that one the title in Kobe? Did he not play better against the Sputs than LeBron did in a 7 game series?

The main difference between LeBron's Cavs and Melo's Nuggets were that the Cavs got to beat up on the East. If they switched conferences the chances are that Denver would have had HCA throughout and not wasted it like Cleveland did.

I will give you that his core is more top heavy but the fact is the Nuggets aren't and haven't been deep most of the years he has been their, which seems to be a trend for top western conference teams as opposed to top eastern conference teams.

Is urging management to pay Varejao and Gibson the salaried that they got because they are your boys is a no brainer?


Also the revenue and impact both stars have on their teams are worlds apart, when you have Bron who can contend with minimal support its easy to see why they catered to him. Melo isnt worthy of the same status, especially when you consider the fact that theyve been doing a great job of building the team considering their lack of a great star and minimal resources.

I get the revenue and impact argument as LeBron brings in cash to a team only behind Kobe and Yao. That comes with some expected perks.

Melo is worthy of at least being told about a deal before hand or getting input on a signing. He is worthy of at least having an idea of what members of his core groups will be retained this summer. That type of thinking is what has him not extending. You will be hard pressed to find any player in his draft or the draft after it not named Wade or LeBron that has played better, won more, and turned a perennial loser into a playoff team. To say that he hasn't earned the respect to at least have management come to him and say prepare for us dealing this guy away or signing this guy/coach is disrespectful.

Hell still to this day Melo by his own admission has said that their front office isn't talking to him and keeping him updated on what all is going on and David Aldridge stated their was truth in that claim. You and I both know that it isn't right and has to be bothersome to hear stuff in the media or second hand because your management is pissed that they didn't scare him with their extend or be traded ultimatum.


In order for this to be true, you must first prove that Bron never intended to stay in Cleveland.

You have to prove that he intended to stay. Stephen A has said weeks before that LeBron was going to Miami. LeBron chose to alienate himself this summer and not speak to Izzo after they contacted him at his request. He chose not to give Gilbert prior notice as to what his decision was before he broadcasted it on ESPN. None of that screams that a guy just made his mind up imo.

Chronz
01-18-2011, 12:16 AM
Carmelo has never said he couldn't wait until free agency. He went to his front office and told them his intentions privately and the front office made it public. They are the ones who said extend or be dealt. I do get what you are saying but you can't blame a guy who kept quiet and whose management leaked what he told them behind closed doors. He and his agent didn't release that he wouldn't extend to the public, Denver did so they need to carry the burden that came from making that PR decision.
Not buying it for many of the reasons you gave, 1 its been painfully obvious he wants to go to NY before the season ends. If Im wrong so be it but it just seems to me all his actions to this point (the firing of his agent, the NY talk long before this article, his poor play) that hes trying to get dealt.


Talking about the ultimate dream when a reporter asked what it would be liked to play at home in Brooklyn isn't disrespectful. Kobe has been asked about Italy, Yao about China, Odom about New York and so on. The fact is most ballers dreams about playing where they grew up and think of as their home.

Horrible examples as they intend on doing so when their NBA playing days are over, dont know about Odom to NY but your neglecting the fact that hes voicing this opinion amidst all this hoopla. Its one thing to say it in a casual conversation, but in this current situation its irresponsible.



I mean 7.5. How has he been less impressive in the better conference?
There are too many players who have carried their teams to name randomly but if you wish to name some comparisons Ill gladly explain. That you think Strength of conference plays that big a role isnt a good start.



Yeah, he can lay claim to a finals appearance but just like Melo he can't lay claim to any ring despite playing in the weaker conference. Lebron can't claim he has never missed the playoffs. Lebron also can't claim to not be the guy without HCA throughout the past 2 years and failing before everyone's eyes.

LOL the point stands he can lay claim to much more, so much more that a comparison with Melo is laughable.


Playing out of position and with an undermanned and underperforming team to start the year will impact your efficiency.
Only if your a weak player who needs everything to go right in order to perform. And again the VAST majority of his minutes have come at the 3 (which by the way are still pathetic compared to his career) and any playing time at the 4 shouldnt drop down your level of play to this degree.


Billups, Nene, and Smith all struggled out of the gate so it wasn't like Melo was alone in his slight efficiency dip. He was the guy performing the best out of all of them to start the season and he was also playing better than both Durant and LeBron. Then the Denver lineups changed, his sister passed away, and the trade talk became increasingly public.
What are you basing your theories on?


Are you truly saying that letting Camby go to save cash isn't being inept?
When its a preemptive move that allowed them to bring in Billups **** no its not. Especially when its a loss that could be offset in other areas.


Are you saying that letting Kleiza walked after he has proven that he can give the Lakers problems (team that eliminated them the 2 out of the last 3 years)?
LOL its this kind of thinking that leads to some of the worst signings imagineable. A random stretch of games against any 1 team doesnt outweigh the contributions a player made throughout his tenure.


Are you saying that admitting to not having any coach in place in case Karl takes sick again after what happened last year is good management?

Management that has a coach the caliber of Karl in the first place is good management. Compared to other stars who have wanted out its GENIUS.


I'm saying that LeBron taking the time out as a Cav after a game with the Knicks and talking about what could be that summer is much worse than Melo answering an interviewers question about what he would think about playing in Brooklyn, which was what was asked of him.

Sure, but unless Melo stops slacking and finishes out his season Ill believe his was more disrespectful, especially if after all this plays out he ends up in NY with a fat extension.


The difference is that Carmelo never said I want to be a Knick or a Net. He still has never said he wants to play outside of Denver this year. If you are asked in the full interview as Melo explained on Twitter what was it like growing up in (whereever you grew up) and what would it be like to play there, you would likely describe it as a dream scenario, don't you think? Carmelo also drew parallels to the reaction and love that he sees Billups get from Denver and its fans and said he would like to at least know what it feels like to be in his shoes.

I dont see any difference, Dream come true sounds like I want to play there and plans on playing there. If he ends up there this season then it will all but confirm everything thats been said of him.


I agree that he should have shut up or maybe passed it off, but he spoke about nothing more than growing up in BK and what a dream it would be like to have fans and people see him play there. Guys like Alston, Artest, Odom, and Brand often say the same thing about playing at MSG.

The difference is they arent being tied to the city in every report, with Bron you knew he wanted to go there but you knew he would take the best winning environment wherever it may be.


I agree with you that the situation has gotten overly dicey now, but we both know they boo the thought of him leaving them after turning years of losing into years of winning. The Suns fans would likely boo Nash in the same situation because even though he hasn't won a ring or made the Finals, he has given them many great performances and led them to the playoffs repeatedly.

I am willing to put anything on the fact that they wont boo Nash.


Melo is giving them the chance to gain something by allowing them to trade him anywhere. He won't extend with any team but he told Kamla and Smitty early this year that if the Nuggets feel it is in their best interest he would play for any team that they trade him to. He has said he just won't extend with any team, but he also isn't threatening to just sit the season out if they trade him to a bottom feeder. It is up to the Nuggets to decide what is best for them.

What you call allowing them to gain I call quitting early. Bron allowed Cleveland to gain, they just wouldnt trade him. And the amount of teams willing to trade for a rental is slim, so much so that your basically better off with a S&T in the offseason. That is of course assuming your right about Melo not specifically focusing on NY. If hes focused on going to NY then hes already put Denver in a bind much worse than Bron did Cleveland.



Do you know why he complained? David Aldridge reported at the beginning of the summer that Melo told them he wouldn't extend only after the Nuggets told him they wouldn't be able to tell him if his core in Nene, Martin, Billups, coach, and JR would be retained after this season. If you are a star and you have no idea if the same core that got you to the WCF will be kept around because of the way their deals are all structured you wouldn't extend either if it is about winning. He has seen this same routine before when they basically let guys walk to save bucks so he just didn't say okay I'll trust you and stay regardless of what you do with the guys around me.

Sounds like BS to me, Denver has made it clear they love Billups and look to retain him long after his playing days. Kenyon doesnt deserve to be retained and him expiring is the best thing that could happen to their core. The idea that Denver wouldnt keep those guys if it pleases Melo and keeps him around sounds like a stretch. Share the link with me because it just doesnt make any sense unless Melo is a ****.


Even to this day Carmelo has maintained his stance that they can compete for a title with the core intact and as long as they are healthy (especially Kenyon and Birdman). That stance hasn't changed which means his commitment and beliefs about his core hasn't wavered as much as the uncertainty about the future of that very core worried him.

Especially Kenyon and Birdman? So the 2 All-Star caliber players dont mean as much? The key guys are locked into their contracts, what exactly is he expecting for them to extend them long before that time has come? Thats ******** and more damning to the idea that Melo would stay. Sounds like hes setting them up for failure by demanding crippling moves.


Once again Melo has said he has no problem being there this year and in the future according to DA. The problem came when Denver couldn't tell him if his main support would be there.

Not buying this theory


Did he shoot the Nuggets out of the series versus the Spurs or was that Iverson? Was he the guy that hired the substitute coach for Karl or the one getting abused by Deron last year? Did Carmelo not be the primary scorer and defend the best player on the team that one the title in Kobe? Did he not play better against the Sputs than LeBron did in a 7 game series?

No, No, No, Yes and No. Now can you please tell me how this has to do with what I said. Again his teams shortcomings always had more to do with his flaws than Bron did Cleveland.


The main difference between LeBron's Cavs and Melo's Nuggets were that the Cavs got to beat up on the East. If they switched conferences the chances are that Denver would have had HCA throughout and not wasted it like Cleveland did.

Considering their production and level of play Id love to hear your rationale for this one.


I will give you that his core is more top heavy but the fact is the Nuggets aren't and haven't been deep most of the years he has been their, which seems to be a trend for top western conference teams as opposed to top eastern conference teams.

LOL no, in the playoffs depth is less of an issue as rotations are shortened. But Ill agree they were not deep enough for Melo to win yes, but compared to the players Bron carried he had an extremely talented cast.


Is urging management to pay Varejao and Gibson the salaried that they got because they are your boys is a no brainer?

Umm yea. AV is an extremely underrated player whos incentive based contract makes it a no brainer. Gibson is a low salary player who is currently undergoing a career year. Still I didnt know that was Brons doing, could you link me to the proof?


Melo is worthy of at least being told about a deal before hand or getting input on a signing. He is worthy of at least having an idea of what members of his core groups will be retained this summer. That type of thinking is what has him not extending. You will be hard pressed to find any player in his draft or the draft after it not named Wade or LeBron that has played better, won more, and turned a perennial loser into a playoff team. To say that he hasn't earned the respect to at least have management come to him and say prepare for us dealing this guy away or signing this guy/coach is disrespectful.

Hell still to this day Melo by his own admission has said that their front office isn't talking to him and keeping him updated on what all is going on and David Aldridge stated their was truth in that claim. You and I both know that it isn't right and has to be bothersome to hear stuff in the media or second hand because your management is pissed that they didn't scare him with their extend or be traded ultimatum.

Agreed, its something Tmac went through. Im just saying considering his managements success in that department he has very little to question them about.



You have to prove that he intended to stay.
No I dont, the burden of proof falls on you


Stephen A has said weeks before that LeBron was going to Miami.
Correct me if Im wrong but SAS said that after Brons obligation to the team were done.


LeBron chose to alienate himself this summer and not speak to Izzo after they contacted him at his request. He chose not to give Gilbert prior notice as to what his decision was before he broadcasted it on ESPN. None of that screams that a guy just made his mind up imo.
Its almost as if you think Bron didnt listen to their proposal before the decision, and he doesnt have to inform Gilbert about his decision before announcing it publically, at that point he is a FREE AGENT. In fact it would have been the dumbest thing to do at that point, imagine how Gilbert would have reacted to hearing the news, he would have trashed the show before it even started.

This all speaks to a guy who made up his mind when it came time to make up his mind, NOT during the middle of the season.