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ko8e24
01-13-2011, 02:16 PM
NEW YORK -- Kobe Bryant of the Los Angeles Lakers and Kevin Durant of the Oklahoma City Thunder top the Western Conference, while Dwight Howard of the Orlando Magic and LeBron James of the Miami Heat lead the Eastern Conference after the fourth returns of 2011 NBA All-Star Balloting presented by T-Mobile. Bryant, The Finals MVP last season, is the overall leader with 1,757,216 votes.

This marks the final balloting update. Starters will be announced live on TNT on Jan. 27, during a special one-hour pregame show at 7 P.M. ET featuring Ernie Johnson, Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith. Following the completion of fan voting and the starting line-up announcement, the head coaches in each conference will vote to determine the remaining All-Stars in their respective conference, which will be announced Thursday, Feb 3, prior to a TNT doubleheader.

The 2011 NBA All-Star Game, which will air live on TNT and ESPN Radio in the U.S., and reach fans in more than 200 countries and territories in more than 40 languages, will be played at STAPLES Center in Los Angeles on Sunday, Feb. 20, 2011.

In the Western Conference, Bryant, a three-time All-Star MVP, who garnered the honor in 2002, 2007 and 2009, is followed at guard by the New Orleans Hornets' Chris Paul (949,049). Durant, a member of last year's All-NBA First Team, paces forwards in the West (1,270,729), with the Denver Nuggets' Carmelo Anthony (945,720) second. The Houston Rockets' Yao Ming (928,928) is the leading vote-getter among Western Conference centers, with the Lakers' Andrew Bynum (660,576) placing second.

Howard, the leading vote-getter in the Eastern Conference with 1,537,619 votes, paces centers in the East, followed by the Boston Celtics' Shaquille O'Neal (639,661). James, a two-time All-Star MVP (2006, 2008), leads all Eastern Conference forwards with 1,518,807 votes, followed by the New York Knicks' Amar'e Stoudemire (1,143,391). The Heat's Dwyane Wade, last year's All-Star Game MVP, paces all guards with 1,499,768 votes; the Chicago Bulls' Derrick Rose is second among guards in the East (1,225,575). Stoudemire passed Boston's Kevin Garnett (1,049,544) since the third balloting update was announced Jan. 6, while Rose leapfrogged the Celtics' Rajon Rondo (1,171,311). All other potential starters for both teams remain unchanged from the previous update.

2011 NBA All-Star Balloting presented by T-Mobile, with associate partner 2K Sports, allows fans around the world to vote daily for their favorite players as starters for the 2011 NBA All-Star Game. Paper balloting will continue through Jan. 17, while wireless balloting and voting on NBA.com will conclude Jan. 23. There are several ways fans can cast their votes, including: at each NBA arena; in 20 languages on NBA.com; and through mobile phones by texting the player's last name to 6-9-6-2-2 ("MYNBA") or by visiting m.nba.com on any wireless carrier.

For SMS voting, fans can vote for All-Stars any time by texting a player's last name from their mobile phones on any wireless carrier. Fans can cast one SMS vote per day, per phone number. Message and data rates may apply. T-Mobile customers will receive an exclusive 15 percent discount code to NBAStore.com for voting via SMS voting. Upon voting, T-Mobile customers will get a bounceback message with a discount code for them to use on NBAStore.com.

Fans can vote directly on NBA.com or use their Facebook profile information to help create an NBA.com All-Access account, which enables them to complete a ballot. After submitting their All-Star selections, fans will have the ability to share them with their friends on Facebook and followers on Twitter, and encourage others to cast their ballots.

The NBA All-Star ballot lists 120 players -- 60 each from the Eastern and Western conferences -- with 24 guards, 24 forwards, and 12 centers from each conference comprising the list. Voters select two guards, two forwards and one center from each conference. The 120 players on the ballot were selected by a panel of media who regularly cover the NBA: J.A. Adande (ESPN.com), Marv Albert (TNT), Art Garcia (NBA.com) Marc Spears (Yahoo! Sports), Doug Smith (The Toronto Star) and Ian Thomsen (Sports Illustrated).

NBA All-Star 2011 in Los Angeles will bring together some of the most talented and passionate players in the league's history for a global celebration of the game. The week leading up to the 60th NBA All-Star Game will feature a full slate of community-enhancing activities, fan festivals and events, including the NBA Cares All-Star Day of Service, the T-Mobile Rookie Challenge & Youth Jam, and NBA All-Star Saturday Night presented by State Farm. NBA All-Star Jam Session presented by adidas, the hugely successful interactive basketball celebration, will return to the Los Angeles Convention Center. Los Angeles and the STAPLES Center will host NBA All-Star 2011, marking the fifth time The City of Angels and the second time STAPLES Center will be the site of the annual celebration. STAPLES Center last played host to NBA All-Star in 2004, and L.A. also hosted the All-Star Game in 1963, 1972, and 1983.



http://www.nba.com/2011/news/01/13/allstar-ballot-results-4/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

jetsfan28
01-13-2011, 02:17 PM
Outside of Yao it looks right

sargon21
01-13-2011, 02:18 PM
Rose over Rondo, Amare over KG, justice has been served.

D Roses Bulls
01-13-2011, 02:20 PM
well its about damn time rose takes over the second spot.

Aapox
01-13-2011, 02:23 PM
^lmao at that sig

Minimal
01-13-2011, 02:24 PM
I guess well deserved starting spot for Rose.

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 02:27 PM
aww... u bulls fans sure are committed to voting. TBH I don't know why you want your star to play with Lebron and Wade. Those 2 are not passing it to anyone outside their team (remember: Lebron never forgets, he didn't forget that Rose didn't try to recruit him).

ashyzup
01-13-2011, 02:28 PM
I hope Dirk gets voted in.

da wood
01-13-2011, 02:31 PM
drew is second for centers in the west

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 02:32 PM
Good to see the best PG in the East grab a starting spot with this update.

D Roses Bulls
01-13-2011, 02:35 PM
there is a chance, bosh might not even make the all star team. wow...... I haven't looked at his numbers and only seen him play twice this year, but I had heard Josh smith might take that final spot in the East. I guess he has been having a real good season according to NBA tv

D1JM
01-13-2011, 02:39 PM
aww... u bulls fans sure are committed to voting. TBH I don't know why you want your star to play with Lebron and Wade. Those 2 are not passing it to anyone outside their team (remember: Lebron never forgets, he didn't forget that Rose didn't try to recruit him).

Who cares, as long as Rose doesn't get the "Urkel" virus from wade and lebron, everything will be all right.

_Supreme_
01-13-2011, 02:41 PM
It is a freaking shame that the NBA is too shortsighted to put Tim Duncan and/or Pau Gasol at the center position on the ballot.

Now we get an undeserving bum like Bynum starting instead of an actual deserving player.

D Roses Bulls
01-13-2011, 02:42 PM
It is a freaking shame that the NBA is too shortsighted to put Tim Duncan and/or Pau Gasol at the center position on the ballot.

Now we get an undeserving bum like Bynum starting instead of an actual deserving player.

you might need glasses cause yao is 300k votes ahead of bynum.

sargon21
01-13-2011, 02:42 PM
It is a freaking shame that the NBA is too shortsighted to put Tim Duncan and/or Pau Gasol at the center position on the ballot.

Now we get an undeserving bum like Bynum starting instead of an actual deserving player.

I think the coaches can vote in a PF into the C spot, not sure, but if you're right, yeah it is ********.

sargon21
01-13-2011, 02:43 PM
Tangent in 3...2...1...

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 02:43 PM
there is a chance, bosh might not even make the all star team. wow...... I haven't looked at his numbers and only seen him play twice this year, but I had heard Josh smith might take that final spot in the East. I guess he has been having a real good season according to NBA tv

IMO Josh Smith and Chris Bosh are sure ins. I don't know if the coaches will pick KG since he miss many games.

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 02:44 PM
Tangent in 3...2...1...

That guys hilarious.

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 02:44 PM
It is a freaking shame that the NBA is too shortsighted to put Tim Duncan and/or Pau Gasol at the center position on the ballot.

Now we get an undeserving bum like Bynum starting instead of an actual deserving player.

Agreed. If Bynum hadn't been injured for much of the earlier part of the season, I wouldn't consider it as big a problem, but Duncan and Gasol have definitely put together better seasons as a whole and can/have played center this year.

D Roses Bulls
01-13-2011, 02:44 PM
IMO Josh Smith and Chris Bosh are sure ins. I don't know if the coaches will pick KG since he miss many games.

that is true, I forgot about that.

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 02:45 PM
you might need glass cause yao is 300k votes ahead of bynum.

Yao injured is more deserving than those other guys.... him doing charity work counts as bonus points.

D Roses Bulls
01-13-2011, 02:45 PM
That guys hilarious.

x2

tangent12
01-13-2011, 02:46 PM
Bosh is no all star or star for that matter so it's good to see fans recognize that.


the Chicago Bulls' Derrick Rose is second among guards in the East (1,225,575)

Good job, DRose. :clap:

We all know he deserves that #1 spot so I expect him to get it before voting's closed.

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 02:46 PM
that is true, I forgot about that.

I say its Josh Smith and Bosh. Maybe Boozer (hes been playing great in some games). Why is Josh Smith a PF? He was originally a SF...

NightMayer1558
01-13-2011, 02:47 PM
Yao injured is more deserving than those other guys.... him doing charity work counts as bonus points.

Bynum won't (necessarily) start if Yao can't play due to injury because technically he wasn't voted in. The coaches'll pick whoever the replacement is (it could still be Bynum) but it's no guarantee.

It's like last year when T-Mac was in 3rd place, both Paul and Kobe were injured and couldn't play, and T-Mac still wasn't an All-Star.

tbone2171
01-13-2011, 02:48 PM
I think question we should take out of this thread is: Would the OP make this thread if Kobe Bryant wasn't the leading vote getter??

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 02:48 PM
Bynum won't (necessarily) start if Yao can't play due to injury because technically he wasn't voted in. The coaches'll pick whoever the replacement is (it could still be Bynum) but it's no guarantee.

It's like last year when T-Mac was in 3rd place, both Paul and Kobe were injured and couldn't play, and T-Mac still wasn't an All-Star.

I realize how it works...

Cool007
01-13-2011, 03:09 PM
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/01/13/allstar-ballot-results-4/index.html


Rose is in the Starting lineup now and Amare as well.

East with the MOST ATHLETIC Starting Lineup EVER!!!

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Dwayne Wade
SF: LeBron James
PF: Amare Stoudamire
C: Dwight Howard.

:speechless:

That lineup will destroy anything West can offer.

ko8e24
01-13-2011, 03:12 PM
I think question we should take out of this thread is: Would the OP make this thread if Kobe Bryant wasn't the leading vote getter??

I absolutely love these baiting posts, just stirring up **** for no reason.

MODS, you know what this guy's intentions are. Do your job! ;)

Cool007
01-13-2011, 03:13 PM
EASTERN CONFERENCE

Forwards:
LeBron James (Heat) 1,518,807
Amar'e Stoudemire (Knicks) 1,143,391

Kevin Garnett (Celtics) 1,049,544
Paul Pierce (Celtics) 578,473
Chris Bosh (Heat) 427,551
Carlos Boozer (Bulls) 320,661

Guards:
Dwyane Wade (Heat) 1,499,768
Derrick Rose (Bulls) 1,225,575

Rajon Rondo (Celtics) 1,171,311
Ray Allen (Celtics) 630,588
John Wall (Wizards) 260,893
Brandon Jennings (Bucks) 254,614

Centers:
Dwight Howard (Magic) 1,537,619

Shaquille O'Neal (Celtics) 639,661
Joakim Noah (Bulls) 291,107




WESTERN CONFERENCE

Forwards:
Kevin Durant (Thunder) 1,270,729
Carmelo Anthony (Nuggets) 945,720

Pau Gasol (Lakers) 851,456
Blake Griffin (Clippers) 702,784
Tim Duncan (Spurs) 663,487
Dirk Nowitzki (Mavericks) 615,243


Guards:
Kobe Bryant (Lakers) 1,757,216
Chris Paul (Hornets) 949,049

Manu Ginobili (Spurs) 593,718
Steve Nash (Suns) 522,215
Deron Williams (Jazz) 487,887


Centers:
Yao Ming (Rockets) 928,928

Andrew Bynum (Lakers) 660,576
Nene (Nuggets) 389,263

hugepatsfan
01-13-2011, 03:19 PM
The BOS starting 5 is the backup at each spot according to the votes. That's weird.

Baller1
01-13-2011, 03:23 PM
I just hope Westbrook is given credit by the coaches.

That East lineup is pretty unfair though.

godolphins
01-13-2011, 03:31 PM
So China is going to keep voting Yao

NYSpirit1
01-13-2011, 03:31 PM
Starters

C Dwight Howard
F Amare Stoudemire
F LeBron James
G Dwayne Wade
G Derrick Rose

Bench

G Rajon Rondo
G Raymond Felton
F Chris Bosh
F Paul Pierce
C Al Horford
Extra Slot Kevin Garnett
Extra Slot Carlos Boozer

Omissions: Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Ray Allen, Joakim Noah

First off, the All-Star team seems obvious. Johnson is having a horrible season, especially for that contract, with only about 18.8 points per game on 42% shooting, way down from his usual 21-22 points per game on great shooting. Felton's averaging just as many points at 18.3, with 8.9 assists per game. Those statistics are better than Josh Smith's 15.9 PPG and 8.7 rebounds. The Celtics aren't going to have 4 All-Stars and I believe it'll come down to Boozer or Noah, but Noah has been hurt for awhile.

The starters seem to be solidified after those returns. Rondo will obviously make it and I believe the rest of the roster will fill out like that. Coaches in recent years won't pick players on losing teams, or rarely will.

That will leave:

3 Heat players (James, Wade, Bosh)
3 Celtics players (Garnett, Rondo, Pierce)
2 Bulls players (Rose, Boozer)
2 Knicks players (Amare, Felton)
1 Magic player (Howard)
1 Hawk player (Horford)

And that's the way it should be. There is such a big difference between the 6th and 7th seed in the East. The Knicks are 22-16, while the 7th seed is 15-21. The Magic don't have a second player near All-Star status and Joe Johnson has just played too poorly to make the All-Star team. It all seems obvious.

Corey
01-13-2011, 03:35 PM
I've been calling that Rose would overtake Rondo as we get closer to the game since the initial polling.

Shame on Celtics fans for not listening to me :sigh:

ChiSportsDaily
01-13-2011, 03:36 PM
Pass the ball to Howard, he's open...

Gators123
01-13-2011, 03:38 PM
Amare deserved it.

Rose vs Rondo is a toss up.

DaBUU
01-13-2011, 03:38 PM
The west is about to get blitzed from all directions

Gibby
01-13-2011, 03:40 PM
I have no problem with these because all of the starters are deserving. i am actually glad Yao is first because coaches/commish can actually pick a replacement or else if Bynum was first he would be starting.

isuk
01-13-2011, 03:42 PM
So China is going to keep voting Yao

Seriously, its ****ing ridiculous. It was cool that people did it for Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady because they're badasses, but Yao's just a ***.

Sadds The Gr8
01-13-2011, 03:42 PM
If Bynum starts that'd be the biggest bull ****.

JordansBulls
01-13-2011, 03:43 PM
I would like for the players to wear their team uniform for the game like it was in 1998.

DaBUU
01-13-2011, 03:44 PM
cant they move gasol to center, thought tey did that before

Pierzynski4Prez
01-13-2011, 03:45 PM
JB, something tells me you wish you were still living in 1998

DaBUU
01-13-2011, 03:45 PM
I would like for the players to wear their team uniform for the game like it was in 1998.

agreed, but I dont think the NBA likes that for some reason. If you noticed at the last couple of All Star weekends, there wasnt much representation at all from any of the teams, you never seen the individual team logos anywhere. My guess is that its all about promoting the NBA brand as a whole.

Giaps
01-13-2011, 03:46 PM
I would like for the players to wear their team uniform for the game like it was in 1998.
NBA can't make money that way. They need to sell new jerseys, t-shirts, hats, sweaters, etc etc etc..............

agreed, but I dont think the NBA likes that for some reason. If you noticed at the last couple of All Star weekends, there wasnt much representation at all from any of the teams, you never seen the individual team logos anywhere. My guess is that its all about promoting the NBA brand as a whole.
It's about the $$$. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hellcrooner
01-13-2011, 03:46 PM
They should move Pau and Tim to center slot of voting to avoid a WTF moment with Bynum starting,

DaBUU
01-13-2011, 03:48 PM
NBA can't make money that way. They need to sell new jerseys, t-shirts, hats, sweaters, etc etc etc..............

It's about the $$$. Nothing more, nothing less.

truth

marlinsfan24
01-13-2011, 03:51 PM
delete.

marlinsfan24
01-13-2011, 03:52 PM
And I'd like to hear why Bosh isn't an all-star Tangent.

thekmp211
01-13-2011, 03:53 PM
i can agree with this. the west is going to be interesting.

JordansBulls
01-13-2011, 04:12 PM
NBA can't make money that way. They need to sell new jerseys, t-shirts, hats, sweaters, etc etc etc..............

It's about the $$$. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah I understand, but I like that better than creating new jersey's for every player for just one game.

brewboy288
01-13-2011, 04:14 PM
Bogut?!

Dr. RPG
01-13-2011, 04:20 PM
NBA can't make money that way. They need to sell new jerseys, t-shirts, hats, sweaters, etc etc etc..............

It's about the $$$. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ok then here's an idea, when the players where there own team uniforms (kobe wearing a home lakers jersey) put the all star logo/symbol on the front or back and your done. The NBA would still make a fortune off it just as much as the all star uniforms (maybe even more), less production time and less time thinking of what kind of design they want to make all star jerseys to look and more time thinking how to make an all star game...well...actually exciting.

J4KOP99
01-13-2011, 04:26 PM
Those of you freaking out about Bynum should calm down. I highly doubt he will start. Stern will most likely start Gasol at Center once Yao gets voted in. Since Yao is injured, Stern can choose who takes his place. He will pick either Gasol or Duncan. Most likely Gasol.

Bynum may make it in as a reserve but not as a starter.

DaBUU
01-13-2011, 04:44 PM
Instead of only a patch, what they could do is make a special edition All Star Uniform for each team rep'd in the game. This way they get their new and unique one time only jersey and we get to see our teams uni out on the court.

iCOOKiE MONSTER
01-13-2011, 04:45 PM
It is a freaking shame that the NBA is too shortsighted to put Tim Duncan and/or Pau Gasol at the center position on the ballot.

Now we get an undeserving bum like Bynum starting instead of an actual deserving player.

Hey im the Cookie Monster :)




I wanna see Kobe n Durant n Westbrook play together

mttwlsn16
01-13-2011, 04:47 PM
Tangent in 3...2...1...

I dont get it...tangent over what?

xbrackattackx
01-13-2011, 05:09 PM
I dont get it...tangent over what?

No dude he is this annoying poster who thinks he is funny and thinks everyone sucks who isn't on the bulls. He baits threads and makes ridiculous claims. He is mostly likely under 18 cause he think Jim Gaffigan is funny and he is by far one of the worst comedians ever.

Avenged
01-13-2011, 05:22 PM
Bynum at #2 among Centers :)

I think it's safe to say Yao won't get the nod, which will leave Bynum out as well if the league decides to insert a PF at that slot.. which is likely to happen.

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 05:38 PM
Seriously, its ****ing ridiculous. It was cool that people did it for Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady because they're badasses, but Yao's just a ***.

Yeah lazy eye mcgee and Mr. Ballhog are real bad*** :rolleyes:


So China is going to keep voting Yao

I have no idea why people are constantly whining... hes not gonna play :facepalm: What difference does it make??? Get this in your head: He isn't playing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait, I'll tell you again since you clearly don't understand: He is not playing.

Avenged
01-13-2011, 05:39 PM
Yeah lazy eye mcgee and Mr. Ballhog are real bad*** :rolleyes:



I have no idea why people are constantly whining... hes not gonna play :facepalm: What difference does it make??? Get this in your head: He isn't playing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait, I'll tell you again since you clearly don't understand: He is not playing.

Yeah but it's hurting Bynum's chances of making it.. :(

:p jk

celtsballa21
01-13-2011, 05:40 PM
I want to see somebody make the argument that if Rondo was on the Bulls that he wouldn't have 25 and 15 every game.

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 05:42 PM
I want to see somebody make the argument that if Rondo was on the Bulls that he wouldn't have 25 and 15 every game.

Wait, you think he would? :laugh:

Maybe if the Bulls could surround him with Celtics like shooters and he ever learned to shoot, sure.

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 05:42 PM
Yeah but it's hurting Bynum's chances of making it.. :(

:p jk

TBH Kobe shouldn't be starting anymore. But he gets votes from China.

JordansBulls
01-13-2011, 05:45 PM
I want to see somebody make the argument that if Rondo was on the Bulls that he wouldn't have 25 and 15 every game.

He wouldn't. Also the Bulls would be at .500 right now.

Avenged
01-13-2011, 05:45 PM
TBH Kobe shouldn't be starting anymore. But he gets votes from China.

Who should start instead of Kobe?

celtsballa21
01-13-2011, 05:49 PM
Wait, you think he would? :laugh:

Maybe if the Bulls could surround him with Celtics like shooters and he ever learned to shoot, sure.

You obviously haven't seen Rondo play without two on the big three playing. Thats when he goes off for about 25 and 15. Not to mention, Rondo's field goal percentage is about 15% over Rose's. Rondo makes jumpers, just not threes, and he still finds ways to score or to have other people score.

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 05:54 PM
You obviously haven't seen Rondo play without two on the big three playing. Thats when he goes off for about 25 and 15. Not to mention, Rondo's field goal percentage is about 15% over Rose's. Rondo makes jumpers, just not threes, and he still finds ways to score or to have other people score.

Ok. You can think whatever you want. Rose still has the #2 guard spot for the EC and sane people know Rondo couldn't average 25/15 on the Bulls.

Crackadalic
01-13-2011, 05:57 PM
Derrick Rose
Dwade
Lebron
Amare
Dwight

Thats probably the most Athletic line ive seen in a while

KingPosey
01-13-2011, 06:04 PM
You obviously haven't seen Rondo play without two on the big three playing. Thats when he goes off for about 25 and 15. Not to mention, Rondo's field goal percentage is about 15% over Rose's. Rondo makes jumpers, just not threes, and he still finds ways to score or to have other people score.

you are going to sit there and honestly say Rondo would avg 25 and 15 over the course of a season on another team?

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 06:05 PM
the Rose stans voting multiple times a day helped him get that no.2 spot lol cheaters

KingPosey
01-13-2011, 06:11 PM
You obviously haven't seen Rondo play without two on the big three playing. Thats when he goes off for about 25 and 15. Not to mention, Rondo's field goal percentage is about 15% over Rose's. Rondo makes jumpers, just not threes, and he still finds ways to score or to have other people score.

ur joking right? He shoots about 5% higher, not ****ing 15. And thats with Rose taking 120+ more 3 pt attempts. And Rondo cant hit jumpers from anywhere. Get ur facts straight bro or beat it.
I dont even like Rose but jesus christ man....:facepalm:

Not to mention Rondo is shooting 40% from the line. Rose is shooting about 40% higher. That is atrocious. Rondo is a nice talent but COME ON man.

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 06:12 PM
Who should start instead of Kobe?

I'm crazy for saying this: Monta Ellis. More efficient this year than Kobe.

kobebabe
01-13-2011, 06:12 PM
drew is second for centers in the west

He woulda been first if it were not for the vast chinese voters. wonder why an injured person contemplating retirement get his name put in the voting list. I don't get it. it takes away credit for the active players like Bynum

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 06:15 PM
ur joking right? He shoots about 5% higher, not ****ing 15. And thats with Rose taking 120+ more 3 pt attempts. And Rondo cant hit jumpers from anywhere. Get ur facts straight bro or beat it.
I dont even like Rose but jesus christ man....:facepalm:

Not to mention Rondo is shooting 40% from the line. Rose is shooting about 40% higher. That is atrocious. Rondo is a nice talent but COME ON man.

you need to get YOUR facts straight

Bruno
01-13-2011, 06:17 PM
I'm crazy for saying this: Monta Ellis. More efficient this year than Kobe.

According to what?

PER:
Bryant- 24.3
Ellis- 19.8

TS%:
Bryant- .552.
Ellis- .553

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html

kblo247
01-13-2011, 06:21 PM
According to what?

PER:
Bryant- 24.3
Ellis- 19.8

TS%:
Bryant- .552.
Ellis- .553

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html
+1

Point per minute output, wins, and the last 7 minutes of yesterday's game also doesn't favor Monta

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 06:21 PM
you need to get YOUR facts straight

He was making the point that Rondo isn't near as good a shooter as Rose is. It's a fact.

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 06:24 PM
He was making the point that Rondo isn't near as good a shooter as Rose is. It's a fact.

he said Rondo can't shoot from anywhere on the court

Avenged
01-13-2011, 06:26 PM
Rk Player Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Kobe 32 40 1321 24.3 .552 .486 3.4 13.4 8.6 25.5 2.1 0.2 11.5 34.8 112 105 3.7 1.7 5.3 0.194
2 Monta 25 38 1560 19.8 .553 .512 1.5 7.8 4.6 23.3 2.8 0.5 12.6 28.1 109 112 2.9 0.6 3.4 0.105


I see this more beneficial to Kobe.. and not to mention his team has a much higher record.

Bruno
01-13-2011, 06:27 PM
+1

Point per minute output, wins, and the last 7 minutes of yesterday's game also doesn't favor Monta

Monta is a real joy to watch. But the guy averages 41 minutes per game, he leads the league in MPG. If you really wana compare Monta and Kobe this season, you should look at their PER 36 mintues statistics.

Kobe- 27.5 ppg, 5.0 apg, 5.5 rpg, 1.4 spg, 8.1 FTA per game on 83%, 3.2 Tos.
Monta- 22.4 ppg, 4.8 apg, 3.0 rpg, 2.0 spg, 5.5 FTA per game on 75%, 2.9 TOs.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 06:28 PM
he said Rondo can't shoot from anywhere on the court

You know very well that wasn't the point he was trying to make. Or at least I hope so. I told you what it was now anyways, so get over it.

kobebabe
01-13-2011, 06:35 PM
he said Rondo can't shoot from anywhere on the court

You are really acting like a big baby trying to defend rondo when it is obvious rose is the better player. Rondo can't even strike it from the charity line leave alone a jump shot. here are the stats for your reference

Derrick Rose
Chicago
Position: Guard
Height: 6-3 Weight: 190
College: Memphis
Player file | Team stats

2010-11 Statistics
PPG 24.1
RPG 4.4
APG 8.1
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.5
FG% 0.453
FT% 0.805
3P% 0.374
MPG 37.8

Rajon Rondo
Boston
Position: Guard
Height: 6-1 Weight: 171
College: Kentucky
Player file | Team stats

2010-11 Statistics
PPG 10.6
RPG 4.4
APG 13.4
SPG 2.5
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.516
FT% 0.435
3P% 0.273
MPG 37.5

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 06:40 PM
You are really acting like a big baby trying to defend rondo when it is obvious rose is the better player. Rondo can't even strike it from the charity line leave alone a jump shot. here are the stats for your reference

Derrick Rose
Chicago
Position: Guard
Height: 6-3 Weight: 190
College: Memphis
Player file | Team stats

2010-11 Statistics
PPG 24.1
RPG 4.4
APG 8.1
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.5
FG% 0.453
FT% 0.805
3P% 0.374
MPG 37.8

Rajon Rondo
Boston
Position: Guard
Height: 6-1 Weight: 171
College: Kentucky
Player file | Team stats

2010-11 Statistics
PPG 10.6
RPG 4.4
APG 13.4
SPG 2.5
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.516
FT% 0.435
3P% 0.273
MPG 37.5

i stopped reading there

KingPosey
01-13-2011, 06:42 PM
he said Rondo can't shoot from anywhere on the court

Its a fact, the dude cant shoot. He can score in the lane, make tear drops, dish the rock. His world is within 10 ft. He cant shoot. He cant shoot elbow Js with any consistency, he cant hit 3s, he cant hit the free ones. He just isnt acapable shooter, let alone comparing him to what rose does.

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 06:42 PM
i stopped reading there

No wonder why you think Rondo is better then. You never looked at the stats...

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 06:45 PM
Its a fact, the dude cant shoot. He can score in the lane, make tear drops, dish the rock. His world is within 10 ft. He cant shoot. He cant shoot elbow Js with any consistency, he cant hit 3s, he cant hit the free ones. He just isnt acapable shooter, let alone comparing him to what rose does.

you clearly don't watch him play still talking about the past

KingPosey
01-13-2011, 06:46 PM
Stop being such a homer man. Rondo is a very good basketball player, shooting IS his weakness. There is no way to deny that.

kobebabe
01-13-2011, 06:47 PM
i stopped reading there

Ya. i get it, can't stand the facts..........

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 06:49 PM
Stop being such a homer man. Rondo is a very good basketball player, shooting IS his weakness. There is no way to deny that.

his elbow jumpers has improved you don't even watch his games so don't speak on it Rose lover

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 06:50 PM
his elbow jumpers has improved you don't even watch his games so don't speak on it Rose lover

Improved doesn't mean it's good yet.

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 06:52 PM
don't comment if you don't watch him

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 06:54 PM
don't comment if you don't watch him

OK. Then I'm free to comment. He's not as good as Rose, especially as a shooter. Fact.

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 06:58 PM
OK. Then I'm free to comment. He's not as good as Rose, especially as a shooter. Fact.

Rondo doesn't shoot as good as Rose that is all. Fact.

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 06:59 PM
Rondo doesn't shoot as good as Rose that is all. Fact.

There you go. You're starting to see the light, at least a little.

Sox72
01-13-2011, 07:00 PM
Rondo doesn't shoot as good as Rose that is all. Fact.

Oh god. This guy getting into a Rondo/Rose argument again.....

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 07:00 PM
There you go. You're starting to see the light, at least a little.

umm I never said Rondo had a better jumpshot but that's all Rose has on him

sargon21
01-13-2011, 07:05 PM
umm I never said Rondo had a better jumpshot but that's all Rose has on him

sure...

JayW_1023
01-13-2011, 07:10 PM
Rose = better athlete, better scorer
Rondo = better pure point, better defender

It's apples and oranges...can't say who is the better player...but I prefer watching Rondo play because he is has more flair and unpredictability. Rondo can impact the game in different ways each game, which makes him really exciting and special.

Rose I appreciate too because he is so physically dominant...and quite possibly the best athlete at the point I've ever seen. He pretty much plays every game the same, but it's almost impossible to guard him.

Like I said, I prefer Rondo's game...but Rose is absolutely dominant this year. Tough call.

drama1386
01-13-2011, 07:11 PM
Bogut?!

I know, right?!

13.3 PPG
11.8 RPG
2.9 BPG (leads NBA)

but because he's on the bucks, he won't get the recognition he deserves...

JayW_1023
01-13-2011, 07:13 PM
Bogut should get the back-up nod...he leads the NBA in blocked shots per game by the way...and he averages a double double.

Underrated as hell, although the feeling always remains he will have another devastating injury that'll end his season prematurely.

drama1386
01-13-2011, 07:16 PM
Rose = better athlete, better scorer
Rondo = better pure point, better defender

It's apples and oranges...can't say who is the better player...but I prefer watching Rondo play because he is has more flair and unpredictability. Rondo can impact the game in different ways each game, which makes him really exciting and special.

Rose I appreciate too because he is so physically dominant...and quite possibly the best athlete at the point I've ever seen. He pretty much plays every game the same, but it's almost impossible to guard him.

Like I said, I prefer Rondo's game...but Rose is absolutely dominant this year. Tough call.

I agree 100%

D Roses Bulls
01-13-2011, 07:17 PM
the Rose stans voting multiple times a day helped him get that no.2 spot lol cheaters

yeah, if that were the case, he would of been voted in last year as a starter.

D Roses Bulls
01-13-2011, 07:18 PM
how did I know this thread would turn into all about rose? ;)

drama1386
01-13-2011, 07:19 PM
Bogut should get the back-up nod...he leads the NBA in blocked shots per game by the way...and he averages a double double.

Underrated as hell, although the feeling always remains he will have another devastating injury that'll end his season prematurely.

I know man. everytime I watch a bucks game, I always have this hope that he plays the whole game without any type of injury. anytime I see him get knocked to the ground, I hold my breath...lol

rds1488
01-13-2011, 07:20 PM
how about that east squad for team usa in 2012?.... but i think amare will be replaced with griffin for team usa starting lineup

drama1386
01-13-2011, 07:20 PM
btw JayW_1023, good game last night. I was hoping my bucks could pull of the upset, but we couldn't stop bonner. man, his shot is so weird looking but it works!

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 07:24 PM
how about that east squad for team usa in 2012?.... but i think amare will be replaced with griffin for team usa starting lineup

I wouldn't be surprised if Durant found a way into the starting lineup with the way he played for Team USA this last summer.

rds1488
01-13-2011, 07:28 PM
all mvp candidates should be starters amare, dirk, rose, wade lebron, deron regardless of who has a name for themselves

JayW_1023
01-13-2011, 07:28 PM
btw JayW_1023, good game last night. I was hoping my bucks could pull of the upset, but we couldn't stop bonner. man, his shot is so weird looking but it works!

BONNER! may be the most one dimensional player on the Spurs...but he showed he can be a genuine game changer...you can't leave him open.

I hope BONNER! gets to be in the 3pt Contest. He deserves it.

rds1488
01-13-2011, 07:29 PM
durant as the 6 man for team usa with paul and deron is dirtyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy and kobe as well if he still has knees left

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 07:33 PM
durant as the 6 man for team usa with paul and deron is dirtyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy and kobe as well if he still has knees left

Yeah, we could legitimately field 2 teams that would have a chance to meet in the Gold Medal game if that were allowed.

PAOboston
01-13-2011, 07:34 PM
i think that is pretty accurate as far as starters for the east. rose, wade, lebron, amare, howard. that is one freakishly athletic lineup.

as for the rondo/rose debate: i think rose should get the nod. but quite honestly, who cares? it's just an all-star game aka a glorified exhibition game. it doesnt mean anything.

as for rondo not being able to shoot: there's a general consensus that rondo cant shoot but that's not necessarily true. while his ft shooting is pretty horrendous (you'd figure with someone like ray allen on the team he could get some pointers), rondo's jump shot has actually improved a lot this year. he's shooting about 45% between 16-23 feet, which as actually pretty good clip. in order for him to get to the "next" level or w/e you want to call it, he's gonna need to take that shot (and improve on it) so defenses cant sag off him. i think it's just a confidence thing. he just needs to keep shooting. stats prove that this year he's not that bad from mid-range. if he could just work on his ft shooting though.....

drama1386
01-13-2011, 07:38 PM
BONNER! may be the most one dimensional player on the Spurs...but he showed he can be a genuine game changer...you can't leave him open.

I hope BONNER! gets to be in the 3pt Contest. He deserves it.

haha too true! he comes into the game looking to shoot the 3 and you CANNOT leave him open, even for a split second.

rds1488
01-13-2011, 07:43 PM
again with the rose/rondo debate its basically pick your poison... rose will tear the d up and score in various ways while rondo will tear the d up and get assists to everyone else on his team.. both are special players along with dwill and paul.... people should realize that instead of making the issue a high school debate

KingPosey
01-13-2011, 07:48 PM
his elbow jumpers has improved you don't even watch his games so don't speak on it Rose lover

lol i dont even like Rose, and I watch Rondo plenty. And im glad his elbow J has imrpoved, but that doesnt make it good. Its just "less bad." But u have proven u know NOTHING. Rondo shoots 15% higher than rose? woooooow

KingPosey
01-13-2011, 07:51 PM
how did I know this thread would turn into all about rose? ;)

lol it always does, but honestly with their age and where they sit in the tier of PGs this will always happen. Especially when there is a terribly uninformed Celtics homer making awful posts.

KingPosey
01-13-2011, 08:08 PM
these bots are really getting out of control....

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 08:17 PM
lol i dont even like Rose, and I watch Rondo plenty. And im glad his elbow J has imrpoved, but that doesnt make it good. Its just "less bad." But u have proven u know NOTHING. Rondo shoots 15% higher than rose? woooooow

right yet your slurping Rose all over this thread :laugh2: and you said his shot was bad all around and when I mention it's improved (since i watch him play and you don't) now your trying to backtrack and when did I say he shoots 15 % higher? ??:confused:

Cubs Win
01-13-2011, 08:19 PM
right yet your slurping Rose all over this thread :laugh2: and you said his shot was bad all around and when I mention it's improved (since i watch him play and you don't) now your trying to backtrack and when did I say he shoots 15 % higher? ??:confused:

Celtsballa21 or whatever his name is started this argument by saying Rondo would average 25/15 if he were on the Bulls. He also went on to say Rondo shoots 15% better, FG% wise.

JayW_1023
01-13-2011, 08:28 PM
While they play the same position, can't Bulls and Celtics fans just accept Rose and Rondo have completely different games and different mindsets.

It's really tough to compare a skilled distributer with flair, defensive prowess and uncanny ability to impact the game without scoring a single basket...

To

A dominant athlete with an improving long range shot who can pretty much impose his will on a game on the offensive end and be a one man fast break in transition.

Who is who?

Rose and Rondo are two point guards, yet to completely different players. The argument of who is better is based on which aspects of the game of basketball you value the most. Period.

KingPosey
01-13-2011, 08:29 PM
right yet your slurping Rose all over this thread :laugh2: and you said his shot was bad all around and when I mention it's improved (since i watch him play and you don't) now your trying to backtrack and when did I say he shoots 15 % higher? ??:confused:

U r unbelievably dense bud. If a guy shoots 40% from the freethow line, and then the next season he shoots 50%, his shot has improved. But he still is a bad shooter. Not very tough to grasp that at all.

KingPosey
01-13-2011, 08:34 PM
And the worst part is, is that u r one of those guys that has absolutely no clue how horrible ur argument is, so u keep going. I bet u think people are actually agreeing with u too huh?

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 08:35 PM
According to what?

PER:
Bryant- 24.3
Ellis- 19.8

TS%:
Bryant- .552.
Ellis- .553

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html

I just looked at FG%. But w.e. it seems like Kobe is doing worse than usual.

Hustlenomics
01-13-2011, 08:39 PM
U r unbelievably dense bud. If a guy shoots 40% from the freethow line, and then the next season he shoots 50%, his shot has improved. But he still is a bad shooter. Not very tough to grasp that at all.

i didn't mention free throw shooting stop putting words in my mouth and with his bad free throw shooting he still dominates games if you don't realize that then stop typing

alencp3
01-13-2011, 08:49 PM
So this is how it goes:

Melo gets the hell of of West

Stern makes Gasol the starting C

So, Blake Griffin can freakin start !

John Walls Era
01-13-2011, 08:56 PM
So this is how it goes:

Melo gets the hell of of West

Stern makes Gasol the starting C

So, Blake Griffin can freakin start !

Tim Duncan over Griffin. Griffin shouldn't get to start. Theres a chance he might not even make it.

JayW_1023
01-13-2011, 09:00 PM
I'm a Spurs fan and I believe Manu should be the only Spur represented in this years ASG.

Of course Timmy will get in based on his Hall of Fame status...but this year, I think Griffin, Gasol and Dirk and those guys should get the nod.

If he was in the East LaMarcus Aldridge would've been a lock as a reserve. He has really improved and been underrated this season. He crushed Bosh in their last meeting...made him look silly at times.

Kakaroach
01-13-2011, 09:03 PM
As long as Deron Williams makes it I'm good.

69centers
01-14-2011, 12:39 AM
"I love the fan voting. It so accurately tells you who the current best player in the league is at every position."

-Yao Ming

69centers
01-14-2011, 12:43 AM
"I love the fan voting. It so accurately tells you who the current best player in the league is at every position."

-Yao Ming

"We second that, Yao."

-Allen Iverson
-Tracy McGrady

kobebabe
01-14-2011, 01:26 AM
i didn't mention free throw shooting stop putting words in my mouth and with his bad free throw shooting he still dominates games if you don't realize that then stop typing

Comeon fellas. grow up for once! This Rondo/rose thing is getting too old:facepalm:

KingsAndNiners
01-14-2011, 01:49 AM
No dude he is this annoying poster who thinks he is funny and thinks everyone sucks who isn't on the bulls. He baits threads and makes ridiculous claims. He is mostly likely under 18 cause he think Jim Gaffigan is funny and he is by far one of the worst comedians ever.

What?? Jim Gaffigan is hella funny :mad:

Raph12
01-14-2011, 03:23 AM
Should be:

Rose-Wade-Lebron-Stat-Dwight vs CP3-Kobe-Durant-Dirk-Pau

Now that would be a good game...

KingPosey
01-14-2011, 03:40 PM
i didn't mention free throw shooting stop putting words in my mouth and with his bad free throw shooting he still dominates games if you don't realize that then stop typing

hahahahaha jesus man. U need to go back to school and learn again. It was an EXAMPLE. Good lord, u might be the dumbest guy on PSD.:facepalm:

Hustlenomics
01-14-2011, 05:27 PM
^says the one who can't read :laugh2: don't throw BS examples I wasn't using at me you look dumb

KingPosey
01-14-2011, 07:25 PM
Ridiculous little guy. I just want to keep posting with you because its funny how oblivious you are to how terrible you debate.

Hustlenomics
01-14-2011, 08:02 PM
Ridiculous little guy. I just want to keep posting with you because its funny how oblivious you are to how terrible you debate.

oh