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DenButsu
01-05-2011, 08:32 PM
I think there are two questions here:

One, is King right?

Two, is it appropriate for a GM to call out one of his own players like this?


Avery Johnson thought he could change Brook Lopez. Still does. He called Lopez a franchise cornerstone and an All-Star, as early as this season. [...]

And if Lopez is going to lead this team in Brooklyn as a cornerstone player, he probably won't be averaging double digits in rebounds, according to Nets GM Billy King.

“I don’t think Brook is ever going to be a 10-rebound guy. Rik Smits, I think, at his best was a seven- rebound guy. Kareem Adbul Jabaar, as great a scorer as he was, he wasn’t a great rebounder. Some guys have a knack for it. Some guys don’t,” King said. “I think he could get better at it, I just don’t think it’s something where he’s going to be a 10-, 12-rebound guy a night. I just don’t think it’s in him.”

There’s a lot to be desired with Lopez’s game, but King says rival GMs are still gushing over the 22-year-old.

“If you do your polls and talk to 29 other GMs, I guarantee you 29 of them that would say, ‘If you don’t want him, we’ll take him.”nydailynews (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/nets/2011/01/brook-lopez-doesnt-have-the-knack-for-rebounding-says-billy-king-but-rival-gms-still-gu)



FWIW, I hope King is wrong. I drafted Brook to my fantasy team because I had high expectations of him this season, and I hope he turns it around. But as of now there are no two ways around how much of a letdown his rebounding has been so far.

Hustlenomics
01-05-2011, 08:39 PM
how is this clown still a GM

29$JerZ
01-05-2011, 08:43 PM
He's right as of now, his rebounding is way below what he is capable of.

GM's shouldn't talk about stuff like this though from a value standpoint, even if everyone else secretly already believes in it

LTBaByyy
01-05-2011, 08:45 PM
Brook should be a PF so he can just focus on scoring

bahama0811
01-05-2011, 08:48 PM
It looks like he's right as of now. I don't think that King should be calling out a player like that though. He should just keep his mouth shut and worry about making his team better.

Raoul Duke
01-05-2011, 08:51 PM
Yeah I read that this morning also. I think his statement is accurate enough, although he isn't exactly playing his cards very close to the vest.

Lloyd Christmas
01-05-2011, 08:51 PM
Whatever. That's what Favors is for. Lopez is still a G.

CityofTreez
01-05-2011, 08:56 PM
Billy King is such an idiot.
Does he even know how to judge talent these days?

Draco
01-05-2011, 09:01 PM
In his 3rd season why doesn't Lopez have at least an average rebound rate for a center? There aren't many professions that excessively pay for mediocre production on a guaranteed contract. I don't have a problem with King calling out Lopez.

Young and Stupid
01-05-2011, 09:02 PM
King is right. Lopez is one of the worst rebounding big-men I have ever seen. Seriously. His awareness is comical, his aggressiveness is no where to be found, his ability to grab rebounds in traffic is putrid and he actually has a negative-impact on the boards because he turns should-be rebounds into second-chance opportunities.

His TRB% is 10.4, ten-point ****ing four. That's hilarious.

Draco
01-05-2011, 09:03 PM
King is right. Lopez is one of the worst rebounding big-men I have ever seen. Seriously. His awareness is comical, his aggressiveness is no where to be found, his ability to grab rebounds in traffic is putrid and he actually has a negative-impact on the boards because he turns should-be rebounds into second-chance opportunities.

His TRB% is 10.4, ten-point ****ing four. That's hilarious.

Just to add, the league average for centers is 14.7.

tangent12
01-05-2011, 09:15 PM
He speaks the truth. Don't see anything wrong with what he said or how he said it.

arkanian215
01-05-2011, 09:19 PM
Brook should be a PF so he can just focus on scoring

Have you seen him play? What makes you think he can be a PF?

DenButsu
01-05-2011, 09:32 PM
Just to add, the league average for centers is 14.7.

Here are the rebounding percentages for all centers and power forwards this season who have started 15 or more games and averaged 20+ minutes.


Player ORB% DRB% TRB%
Reggie Evans 18.2 35.2 26.4
Marcus Camby 13.3 36.6 24.2
Kevin Love 14.3 33.9 23.8
Dwight Howard 12.1 31.2 21.9
Kris Humphries 12.1 31.7 21.8
Zach Randolph 13.7 27.4 20.4
Blake Griffin 12.5 27.2 19.9
Andris Biedrins 12.7 26.9 19.6
Kevin Garnett 5.4 30.5 18.8
Tyson Chandler 10.0 26.7 18.7
DeJuan Blair 14.7 22.4 18.6
Tim Duncan 10.8 26.1 18.5
Andrew Bogut 11.1 26.3 18.3
Joakim Noah 12.8 23.4 18.3
Emeka Okafor 10.6 26.0 18.3
Carlos Boozer 7.4 27.9 17.9
A. Varejao 11.2 24.9 17.8
JaVale McGee 14.5 21.2 17.7
Ben Wallace 11.8 23.1 17.2
Al Horford 8.8 24.6 16.8
D. Cousins 10.9 23.3 16.8
Drew Gooden 11.2 21.8 16.3
DeAndre Jordan 11.5 20.5 16.1
Pau Gasol 10.9 20.4 15.9
S. O'Neal 9.1 21.6 15.7
Average 15.6
Chuck Hayes 11.4 19.5 15.5
Jason Thompson 9.3 22.4 15.5
Spencer Hawes 7.7 23.2 15.4
Roy Hibbert 9.7 20.8 15.3
Serge Ibaka 10.8 19.5 15.2
David Lee 10.2 20.5 15.2
Lamar Odom 7.4 22.1 15.1
Taj Gibson 11.1 18.7 15.0
Amir Johnson 13.1 17.0 15.0
Josh Smith 6.4 23.3 15.0
Al Jefferson 7.4 21.8 14.7
Elton Brand 11.8 17.5 14.6
Luis Scola 7.2 21.0 14.2
Paul Millsap 7.4 20.2 13.9
Josh McRoberts 7.5 20.0 13.8
Nene Hilario 6.5 20.6 13.7
A. Stoudemire 7.7 19.5 13.7
Chris Bosh 6.3 19.7 13.4
L. Aldridge 10.5 16.4 13.3
Andray Blatche 8.1 18.8 13.2
J.J. Hickson 5.0 21.9 13.1
Marc Gasol 7.5 18.6 12.9
Darko Milicic 9.1 15.3 12.1
Dirk Nowitzki 2.2 21.1 12.1
David West 7.7 16.0 11.9
Nenad Krstic 9.1 13.7 11.4
Channing Frye 2.1 20.6 11.3
Brook Lopez 8.5 12.4 10.4
Carl Landry 10.0 10.4 10.2
Andrea Bargnani 4.2 15.5 9.7
Boris Diaw 5.0 12.8 9.0
Jeff Green 4.3 13.2 8.8
D. Gallinari 2.9 11.7 7.4

Average 9.4 21.8 15.6

masalex1205
01-05-2011, 09:37 PM
Wow, maybe its a contract negotiating tactic because they're not going to trade him so it doesn't matter if his trade value is damaged?

lkingratedr
01-06-2011, 12:02 AM
honestly i think brook lopez is trying to play his way out of jersey ... he must be tired of losing ... he showing me a lil allen iverson chris webber syndrome... to be honest i think if brook was on a team like knicks thunder or another team thats winning he would be on his A-game and would be snagging rebounds rediculously i have seen times brook looks like no 1 else is getting that rebound and those the times when nj are winning guarantee give him a change of scenery and brook will go harder ...

Robbw241
01-06-2011, 12:04 AM
He put Brooks name in the same breathe as Kareem. I really doubt he is knocking him at all lol.

I also agree with what he said, he's not a big time rebounder cause he doesn't have the agility or drive to run down a ball or throw his body around.

blueplanet
01-06-2011, 12:13 AM
He is very disgusting to watch now. I thought he would be the next true center and fight with Dwight Howard for the #1 spot already.

Cubs Win
01-06-2011, 12:21 AM
Rebound-monster Brook Lopez was able to rip down 3 boards tonight against the Bulls (without Noah of course).

JFresh_#8Nets
01-06-2011, 12:35 AM
Brook should be a PF so he can just focus on scoring

He's too slow to play the 4

jetsfan28
01-06-2011, 12:37 AM
I think he's right. Some guys are rebounders, some guys aren't. For whatever reason, certain players just don't have that knack for it, and can't figure it out (even though a lot of it is pretty simple, in terms of understanding basic angles).

JFresh_#8Nets
01-06-2011, 12:40 AM
honestly i think brook lopez is trying to play his way out of jersey ... he must be tired of losing ... he showing me a lil allen iverson chris webber syndrome... to be honest i think if brook was on a team like knicks thunder or another team thats winning he would be on his A-game and would be snagging rebounds rediculously i have seen times brook looks like no 1 else is getting that rebound and those the times when nj are winning guarantee give him a change of scenery and brook will go harder ...

fail

PLAYERS FAN
01-06-2011, 12:46 AM
I really think Kris humphries is hurting his rebounding.

JFresh_#8Nets
01-06-2011, 12:53 AM
I really think Kris humphries is hurting his rebounding.

Bingo

Mplsman
01-06-2011, 01:08 AM
That's a little ridiculous to say as your team GM.

Young and Stupid
01-06-2011, 01:13 AM
That's a little ridiculous to say as your team GM.

Definitely, I agree.


And I think that we expect it out of him. It's not enough, is what I'm trying to say. We think that Darko can actually get to sort of a near All-Star if not All-Star level. There's not a lot of quality centers in our sport. There's no reason to think that a year from now if Darko were to continue his trajectory upwards, he couldn't be in the mix about a year from now for the All-Star game.

Folks!

MalZee24
01-06-2011, 01:14 AM
Lol

Chill_Will_24
01-06-2011, 01:20 AM
King is right. Lopez is one of the worst rebounding big-men I have ever seen. Seriously. His awareness is comical, his aggressiveness is no where to be found, his ability to grab rebounds in traffic is putrid and he actually has a negative-impact on the boards because he turns should-be rebounds into second-chance opportunities.

His TRB% is 10.4, ten-point ****ing four. That's hilarious.

Exactly. Even tonight he went up for a defensive rebound with one hand against smaller guys in a crucial play with like a minute left in the game or something and instead wound up tapping it over the backboard and giving CHI a fresh 24.

Yunqn
01-06-2011, 01:20 AM
I really think Kris humphries is hurting his rebounding.

shutup .


Bingo

shutup .


I think he's right. Some guys are rebounders, some guys aren't. For whatever reason, certain players just don't have that knack for it, and can't figure it out (even though a lot of it is pretty simple, in terms of understanding basic angles).

shutup .


He put Brooks name in the same breathe as Kareem. I really doubt he is knocking him at all lol.

I also agree with what he said, he's not a big time rebounder cause he doesn't have the agility or drive to run down a ball or throw his body around.

and billy king should burn in hell .

he cant ever put brook in the same line as kareem. if brook lopez is your 7 FOOT CENTER and you say you dont think he's goina grab 10 rebounds then how the ****** is he unmovable ? is this a joke? i mean its not like he's out there putting up big scoring numbers like durant or in this situation like another big like amare..you really wont trade a guy what he SUPPOSE to bring to your team? how many rebounds do they think favors should get?he's soo special his team won less than 15 games last year ..how special is that? he knows this isnt college right? even then you need more than that.. its incredible how people overrate these guys.. if im new jersey im moving humphries to center and trading brook to new orleans and favors to denver.. no WAY im keeping this guy if i felt my 7 FOOT CENTER ISNT GOING TO GET YOU 10 F*cking rebounds.. and then say you wouldnt trade him? does he even avg more than 20 points? im sorry i liked lopez last year but i mean to say kris humphries is the reason he's losing rebounds is in fu*cking credible.. and you guys actually post that as a real reason.. :facepalm:

Chill_Will_24
01-06-2011, 01:31 AM
shutup .



shutup .



shutup .



and billy king should burn in hell .

he cant ever put brook in the same line as kareem. if brook lopez is your 7 FOOT CENTER and you say you dont think he's goina grab 10 rebounds then how the ****** is he unmovable ? is this a joke? i mean its not like he's out there putting up big scoring numbers like durant or in this situation like another big like amare..you really wont trade a guy what he SUPPOSE to bring to your team? how many rebounds do they think favors should get?he's soo special his team won less than 15 games last year ..how special is that? he knows this isnt college right? even then you need more than that.. its incredible how people overrate these guys.. if im new jersey im moving humphries to center and trading brook to new orleans and favors to denver.. no WAY im keeping this guy if i felt my 7 FOOT CENTER ISNT GOING TO GET YOU 10 F*cking rebounds.. and then say you wouldnt trade him? does he even avg more than 20 points? im sorry i liked lopez last year but i mean to say kris humphries is the reason he's losing rebounds is in fu*cking credible.. and you guys actually post that as a real reason.. :facepalm:

Cmon man. Survival 101 in the Being A Nets Fan handbook; look for the silver lining or at least something to help you sleep at night like seeing Humphries breakout this year.

DoMeFavors
01-06-2011, 01:44 AM
I also think because his first 2 years he was playing along side another terrible rebounder in Yi Jianlian.

Storch
01-06-2011, 02:30 AM
As long as Brook Lopez is blocking out the other Center, he should be okay.

kozelkid
01-06-2011, 02:48 AM
Maybe it's motivation?
Oh who am I kidding, Lopez has no mental fortitude.

kozelkid
01-06-2011, 02:53 AM
I really think Kris humphries is hurting his rebounding.

That's a load of crap.
At most, an ELITE rebounder (note: Humphries is average, maybe slightly above average at best), shouldn't have more than around a 1% difference on a player's trb%. Even if he played next to Kevin Love, there is no excuse for a center to have a trb% of 10.4. None. The guy is a piss poor rebounder. This isn't the first time that we've seen a 7 footer be an awful rebounder. Eddy Curry also was a terrible rebounder. It's a matter of toughness and will more than anything. Lopez plays soft and it shows.

xabial
01-06-2011, 06:07 AM
Runs in the family. Both 7 feet Lopez Brothers arent great rebounders

BklynKnicks3
01-06-2011, 09:52 AM
Lopez is beyond overrated, How do u have a so called franchise center and cant even win 30 games,there are no more then 5 or 6 centers in the league shoudn't that give the Nets a clear Advantage?

JasonJohnHorn
01-06-2011, 10:11 AM
Lopez was over 8 boards in his rookie season! With only 30 minutes!

Now, I realize that like Chris Bosh, Lopez is rebounding as well as he should be, but King's statement is wrong.

That said, King is being smart. He knows Lopez can get 10+ a game and he's ligthing a fire under his @$$. He's basically calling out Lopez to prove him wrong. Its a motivation thing, and its a good idea. Phil Jackson has done $#!T like that before and it has worked. Lets hope it pays off, because this league needs more good centers and lopez has the physical gifts and the skill set to be a 20/10 guy. If King thought Lopez wasnt capable of grabbing 10+ a game, he wouldnt have said it publically, he just would have traded the guy for a center that could grab 10+ a game. No GM is going to ruin a player's trade value like that.


Thumbs up to king on this one.

TO to the CHI
01-06-2011, 10:33 AM
Lopez was over 8 boards in his rookie season! With only 30 minutes!

Now, I realize that like Chris Bosh, Lopez is rebounding as well as he should be, but King's statement is wrong.

That said, King is being smart. He knows Lopez can get 10+ a game and he's ligthing a fire under his @$$. He's basically calling out Lopez to prove him wrong. Its a motivation thing, and its a good idea. Phil Jackson has done $#!T like that before and it has worked. Lets hope it pays off, because this league needs more good centers and lopez has the physical gifts and the skill set to be a 20/10 guy. If King thought Lopez wasnt capable of grabbing 10+ a game, he wouldnt have said it publically, he just would have traded the guy for a center that could grab 10+ a game. No GM is going to ruin a player's trade value like that.


Thumbs up to king on this one.


I think King was likely trying to light a fire under his ***, but I also am quite sure that King has less than zero interest in trading Lopez and thus, is totally unconcerned about his trade value. More to the point, do you realize that there is only 1 center that is averaging 10+ rebounds a game this year. And I don't think Dwight Howard is getting swapped for Lopez. Also notable -- there are about 5 centers averaging 9+ a game. In other words, even if King wanted to trade Lopez, he wouldn't be getting back a 10+ rebounds a game player. I think King wants to motivate Lopez to work at it and get back up to about 8 boards a game at a better rate.

Also, to the poster who said that Lopez should move to power forward to reduce his rebounding load -- you do realize that on most teams it is the power forward who leads the way in rebounding, right?

PrettyBoyJ
01-06-2011, 10:34 AM
yeah he's not gonna be a good rebounding center.. when guys like Lebron, melo, Landry Fields avg. more rebounds then you and there guards and sf thats pretty bad

Swashcuff
01-06-2011, 10:36 AM
how is this clown still a gm

this!

Swashcuff
01-06-2011, 10:38 AM
fail

x2

mikantsass
01-06-2011, 10:47 AM
Well considering Lopez has only collected 10+ rebounds.... I think ONCE this year. And it took him 2 OTs to do so.... I dont think this is rocket science

xbrackattackx
01-06-2011, 11:27 AM
He's a scorer.