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NetsPaint
01-02-2011, 09:35 PM
for big guys, just because of size? Has there been a player you have followed in college that made you go, "Why isn't this guy drafted yet?"

A lot of big guys who are drafted are projects. A lot of times it could be a good/great thing if it's a position your team needs filled, but there might be a lot of cases we're it's better to just draft a better player. Any instances come to mind?

Khalifa21
01-02-2011, 09:42 PM
The 2009 draft is a good recent example...

Ty Lawson (5'11) and Darren Collison (6'0) taken after guys like Hasheem Thabeet (7'3), Jordan Hill (6'10), Gerald Henderson (6'5), Earl CLark (6'10) and James Johnson (6'9)... All guys that are good sizes for their respective position.

I think size is something a lot of GM's look at when drafting and it does often mean very talented, small guards get passed up for guys with big frames that are much rawer.

bal_ravens
01-02-2011, 09:49 PM
This is alittle off topic, but Blair was drafted late for among other things, his size. I understand the whole leg issues, but its crazy how he dropped so far!

As for guards, ^ he pretty much stated good examples.

Raph12
01-03-2011, 02:09 AM
Size is an invaluable quality in today's league, the bigger teams tend to fair better with all of the matchup problems they present (Boston, LA, Orlando 2009 [Hedo at SF], etc...).

Lake_Show2416
01-03-2011, 02:13 AM
Its a Big Mans league and thats the only way you win

so teams might make a bigger reach for a big that maybe isn't at the skill level of perhaps a guard thats on the draft board.

asandhu23
01-03-2011, 02:39 AM
Ben Woodside. Jerome Randle

PrettyBoyJ
01-03-2011, 02:40 AM
Teams often look for a typical 6'1-6'6 guard with size and can handle.. that jus how it is, its a big boys league undersize pg often mean size mismatch and prob. guarding bigger guards

JabberJaw
01-03-2011, 03:14 AM
It's an unfortunate reality, but really small guys are a liability. More so, on defense, but they will get taken to the post and have jump shots over them all day. The main guy that comes to my mind is Earl Boykins. The guy was a flat out BEAST in college. 2nd in scoring in college and won the award for best player in the country under 6'. Check out his stats.
MIN FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG TPG BPG SPG PPG
94-95 E Michigan 32.5 41.3 34.3 70.3 2.4 4.5 2.3 0.1 1.7 12.5
95-96 E Michigan 33.3 43.2 30.7 80.4 2.3 5.8 2.5 0.1 1.9 15.5
96-97 E Michigan 36.3 42.3 30.0 85.2 2.1 4.6 3.6 0.0 1.9 19.1
97-98 E Michigan 36.9 47.2 40.7 81.6 2.3 5.5 3.2 0.1 1.9 25.7

His senior year he killed it. I would never expect him to come out in the first, but not a second round pick? With all the garbage that has been drafted in the 2nd, he more than deserved to be picked. He's a really good player, but when it comes to defense he's just too small. He singlehandedly seems to give the Lakers fits when he plays them. And i'm a Laker fan. I love Earl, but hate him when he plays the Lakers. haha

abe_froman
01-03-2011, 03:45 AM
all the time....size matters,so its going to be given weight when judging a player

NYKalltheway
01-03-2011, 04:39 AM
Mugsy Bogues, legend. No more such type players now :/

JayW_1023
01-03-2011, 12:58 PM
What happened to Devan Downey...was he drafted at all?

UGotRondo'd
01-04-2011, 08:50 PM
scottie reynolds was a 1st team all american at villanova last year didnt get drafted at all

thekmp211
01-04-2011, 08:59 PM
The 2009 draft is a good recent example...

Ty Lawson (5'11) and Darren Collison (6'0) taken after guys like Hasheem Thabeet (7'3), Jordan Hill (6'10), Gerald Henderson (6'5), Earl CLark (6'10) and James Johnson (6'9)... All guys that are good sizes for their respective position.

I think size is something a lot of GM's look at when drafting and it does often mean very talented, small guards get passed up for guys with big frames that are much rawer.

this. teams like to think more about what players COULD be rather than what they actually are. thabeet, hill, henderson, clark, johnson...all relatively raw college players with outstanding physical attributes.

franchises and front offices tend to be cocky. they think that they can turn any elite athlete into a successful, winning basketball player.

by the same token, there are also a lot of small guys in college who get passed over because they lack the athletic ability to create shots/be effective in the nba. reynolds, salim stoudemire, juan dixon ect. if a guy that small doesn't exhibit real pg skills, their role on an NBA team will always be limited.