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Hawkeye15
01-02-2011, 04:17 PM
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Staples Center - 9:30 PM

Hawkeye15
01-02-2011, 04:18 PM
sorry, I just now noticed there wasn't a GT up. Talk about today's action in here, sorry Pacers/Knicks fans

Slimsim
01-02-2011, 04:40 PM
Knicks
Clippers
Toronto
Mavericks
Rockets
Suns
Grizzles

dnewguy
01-02-2011, 04:45 PM
Just watched the Knicks game..........I think atleast one of the refs made a bet on that game because almost all the calls NY get when they're down is questionable.

dnewguy
01-02-2011, 04:47 PM
Hawks
Celtics
Mavericks
Rockets
Suns
Lake show

MSG34
01-02-2011, 04:50 PM
Just watched the Knicks game..........I think atleast one of the refs made a bet on that game because almost all the calls NY get when they're down is questionable.

I don't know that foul call on Amare on Posey's clear travel didn't go our way. And then Turiaf gets a T ontop of that.

Slimsim
01-02-2011, 04:59 PM
Just watched the Knicks game..........I think atleast one of the refs made a bet on that game because almost all the calls NY get when they're down is questionable.

you shouldn't talk since the team you are now rooting for probably average around 40 + free throws a night

RaPtOrS4PLAYoff
01-02-2011, 05:00 PM
Pacers@Knicks
Hawks@Clippers
Celtics@Raptors
Mavericks@Cavs
Rockets@Blazers
Suns@Kings
Grizzlies@Lakers

John Walls Era
01-02-2011, 05:02 PM
Knicks
Clippers
Toronto
Mavericks
Rockets
Suns
Grizzles

I like this one too.

tredigs
01-02-2011, 05:36 PM
Blake Griffin even abuses Josh Smith + Horford. Jesus.

J_M_B
01-02-2011, 06:01 PM
Celtics @ Raptors
Mavericks @ Cavaliers
Rockets @ Blazers
Suns @ Kings
Grizzlies @ Lakers

kjoke
01-02-2011, 06:06 PM
how many of you think tha griffin will have a long successful nba career? Its a shame that i haveent seen hm play, but i think he relies to much on his athleticism to actual have a long nba career such as duncan

Avenged
01-02-2011, 06:14 PM
Go Lakers.

Avenged
01-02-2011, 06:15 PM
how many of you think tha griffin will have a long successful nba career? Its a shame that i haveent seen hm play, but i think he relies to much on his athleticism to actual have a long nba career such as duncan

I'd say he'll be in pretty elite company if you're comparing his career to Duncan's. Who wouldn't want to have a career such as one that Duncan has had.

tredigs
01-02-2011, 06:15 PM
how many of you think tha griffin will have a long successful nba career? Its a shame that i haveent seen hm play, but i think he relies to much on his athleticism to actual have a long nba career such as duncan

Setting the bar pretty high when you compare him to the most fundamentally sound big to ever play, but I would disagree that he relies too much on his athleticism. He has great handles, is a willing/solid passer, and has a nice jumper/fade off the glass that he likes to use. His dribble drive is as good as any big in the game; you should watch him play. He's the most fun player in the game to watch imo.

25 and 10 so far for him tonight against the Hawks (16 minutes to go in the game). There are plenty of dominant athletes with limited game riding the pine in the NBA, and this kid isn't that. He's an elite PF.

DoMeFavors
01-02-2011, 06:34 PM
Knicks technicals are way up this year, it seems like every game someone on that team has a technical

YoungOne
01-02-2011, 06:37 PM
rondo expected to play tonight :)

kjoke
01-02-2011, 06:46 PM
I'd say he'll be in pretty elite company if you're comparing his career to Duncan's. Who wouldn't want to have a career such as one that Duncan has had.


Setting the bar pretty high when you compare him to the most fundamentally sound big to ever play, but I would disagree that he relies too much on his athleticism. He has great handles, is a willing/solid passer, and has a nice jumper/fade off the glass that he likes to use. His dribble drive is as good as any big in the game; you should watch him play. He's the most fun player in the game to watch imo.

25 and 10 so far for him tonight against the Hawks (16 minutes to go in the game). There are plenty of dominant athletes with limited game riding the pine in the NBA, and this kid isn't that. He's an elite PF.

i think i worded that wrong, i meant to say will he have a lengthy career on a high level such as duncan, im not comparing him to ducan tho

LTBaByyy
01-02-2011, 08:34 PM
I love when Chandler makes the other team's crowd go "oh!!!!!" When he does an alley oop

LTBaByyy
01-02-2011, 08:35 PM
Dang I see the Celtics have been going through the same stuff we have

Injuries suck

kjoke
01-02-2011, 08:38 PM
wow the mavs really suck......

SteBO
01-02-2011, 08:39 PM
wow the mavs really suck......

:no:

kjoke
01-02-2011, 08:40 PM
yeah im just messing, injuries can be a *****

SteBO
01-02-2011, 08:41 PM
yeah im just messing, injuries can be a *****
Yes they can.

LTBaByyy
01-02-2011, 08:44 PM
I like the future of Roddy B, Dojo, Ajinca and Mahinini their all gonna be good solid players and Roddy will be the star

Dojo is playing amazing in his debut so far

LTBaByyy
01-02-2011, 08:56 PM
Powe used to be good, wow what a shame

Flash3
01-02-2011, 09:07 PM
I love when Chandler makes the other team's crowd go "oh!!!!!" When he does an alley oop

isnt that the case for any good dunk ?

LTBaByyy
01-02-2011, 09:12 PM
isnt that the case for any good dunk ?

Haha no, theres been like 8 dunks and the Cavs crowd is quiet like a mouse

drobe86
01-02-2011, 09:13 PM
I like the future of Roddy B, Dojo, Ajinca and Mahinini their all gonna be good solid players and Roddy will be the star

Dojo is playing amazing in his debut so far



Butlers injury will be a blessing in disguise. Dojo ceiling is ultimately higher than Butlers and he wasn't going to get any time because Carlisle won't play our young guys....

YoungOne
01-02-2011, 09:22 PM
baby 2 assists shy of a triple double :D

LTBaByyy
01-02-2011, 10:06 PM
Dojo looks reallllllllllly good!!!!

Good win, now Dirk will be back and lets start that winning streak :)

sargon21
01-02-2011, 10:34 PM
Watched the Toronto/Boston game 2nite; Rondo played horrible, 1st game back from the injury.

210Don
01-02-2011, 10:37 PM
down in san antonio pop starting to get questions about 70 wins he say hell never think about it.

HuRRiCaNeS324
01-02-2011, 10:40 PM
Dojo looks reallllllllllly good!!!!

Good win, now Dirk will be back and lets start that winning streak :)

What did he do? Im looking forward to seeing him play.

Looking at the stat sheet though, he went 2-10....

tredigs
01-02-2011, 10:50 PM
What did he do? Im looking forward to seeing him play.

Looking at the stat sheet though, he went 2-10....

Was wondering the same after looking at the line. 2/10 (0/2 from three), though the rest of the night looked nice on paper (perfect from the line and no turnovers to go with a handful of boards/assists/blks+stl).

That said, we're talking about a guy who was just called back up from the D-League and literally has a negative PER in his limited time this season (I had no idea that was possible).

Is this someone the Mavs fans actually think is NBA ready and are excited about for this season?

More-Than-Most
01-02-2011, 10:55 PM
anyone have a link to the suns game?

LTBaByyy
01-02-2011, 10:57 PM
What did he do? Im looking forward to seeing him play.

Looking at the stat sheet though, he went 2-10....

Bad shooting but made up for it in everything else in his first game!!

5 reb, 3 ast, 1 steal, and 2 blocks!

With great defense, an 0 turnovers if you watched him play tonight you would understand

He missed his shots but still came out with 9 points bc he drove the ball to the basket and got his teammates involved and got to the line which he was 5/5 from

He wouldve had 7 ast if they didnt miss the open shot lol

Besides shooting, He played reallllly good and felt comfortable out there for his first game

Gators123
01-02-2011, 11:03 PM
So where is the "Dunk of the year" thread for Pierce's dunk? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_shYAF6dIoE

drobe86
01-02-2011, 11:33 PM
Bad shooting but made up for it in everything else in his first game!!

5 reb, 3 ast, 1 steal, and 2 blocks!

With great defense, an 0 turnovers if you watched him play tonight you would understand

He missed his shots but still came out with 9 points bc he drove the ball to the basket and got his teammates involved and got to the line which he was 5/5 from

He wouldve had 7 ast if they didnt miss the open shot lol

Besides shooting, He played reallllly good and felt comfortable out there for his first game



Jones played well despite his shooting from the field. I think Dojo gives us a dimension we didn't have with Caron Butler out there. He drives. Jones, Barea, and Roddy B all excel at getting to the rim and I think thats what Dojo gives us. You move Marion into the starting lineup and use Jones as a rotation player and I think we'll be fine. I'm not opposed to giving up on Haywood and Jones + picks for a premium scorer though. Joe Johnson, Iggy, or even Kevin Martin. I think Mahimi is more than capable of backing up Chandler. He's playing just as good if not better than Haywood..

Avenged
01-02-2011, 11:42 PM
Lakers sucking it up again. :pity:

More-Than-Most
01-02-2011, 11:53 PM
Nash is god.8-8 for 20 points and 11 assists through 3 quarters.

ManRam
01-03-2011, 12:21 AM
The Lakers are ****ing awful right now. I'm actually upset...a win for them would have made me a lot of money.

Teaches me a lesson. This team sucks.

sargon21
01-03-2011, 12:23 AM
The Lakers are ****ing awful right now. I'm actually upset...a win for them would have made me a lot of money.

Teaches me a lesson. This team sucks.

Hey ManRam, by any chance, are you the ManRam on covers.com?

Avenged
01-03-2011, 12:25 AM
The Lakers are ****ing awful right now. I'm actually upset...a win for them would have made me a lot of money.

Teaches me a lesson. This team sucks.

Lol. Unfortunately you're right.

The funny thing is that the Lakers starters are on the bench stunned.. :pity: if they would just play like these games mean something then they wouldn't be getting embarrassed.

ManRam
01-03-2011, 12:27 AM
Hey ManRam, by any chance, are you the ManRam on covers.com?

No. Is there an impostor?

ManRam
01-03-2011, 12:28 AM
Making a little surge here. Dare I say, "let's go Lakers"?

If I wasn't so far in the hole today from the NFL...probably not.

They can't get stops...this is pathetic.

sargon21
01-03-2011, 12:30 AM
No. Is there an impostor?

Well there's someone on covers.com, which is a gambling site about sports, and he has the name "ManRam" or "ManRam24" I believe.

edit: And if you're in the hole from NFL, go on covers.com, go to the NFL Forum, just follow "BigEastExpert", he consistently hits 65%...

DerekRE_3
01-03-2011, 12:30 AM
And this is why the Kings will not trade DeMarcus Cousins and have made him untouchable:
28 points 8 boards 6 assists 11-17 FG 6-6 FT and some huge plays down the stretch.

Kings win with a 19-2 run to end the game.

ManRam
01-03-2011, 12:30 AM
Well there's someone on covers.com, which is a gambling site about sports, and he has the name "ManRam" or "ManRam24" I believe.

I love to gamble, but I've never posted there...

Interesting. I mean, I am internationally known and locally respected. He's probably just paying homage to me.

sargon21
01-03-2011, 12:34 AM
I love to gamble, but I've never posted there...

Interesting. I mean, I am internationally known and locally respected. He's probably just paying homage to me.

Oh yeah, you should check it out; lots of quality posters, and many post plays as well as analysis

And LOL at the last part

ManRam
01-03-2011, 12:38 AM
Wow. Shannon :facepalm:

I'm over my financial losses...this makes me happy!

210Don
01-03-2011, 12:44 AM
wow lakers gettin destroyed by the grizz and they played bad against the 76ers they in trouble.

sargon21
01-03-2011, 12:48 AM
I'm beginning to doubt that these Lakers are the same Lakers that can just turn it off and on when they please.

iggypop123
01-03-2011, 12:48 AM
gasol should probably announce he is coming out of the closet soon.

kobe24>lebron23
01-03-2011, 12:48 AM
Lakers need a trade

CHANGO
01-03-2011, 12:50 AM
What the hell is wrong with the Lakers? I think it's something serious.

iggypop123
01-03-2011, 12:51 AM
i know teams going for 3 peats struggle during the regular season but even the mj bulls won 60 games. this team reminds me alot of last years celtics. they just didnt care, got raped by crap teams. the celtics even found a way to lose to the nets.

ManRam
01-03-2011, 12:51 AM
I'm generally one not to panic in December/January or jump to any conclusions this early in the season, but they look terrible. Even early on, when they were playing well, it was against an incredibly soft schedule. I haven't watched enough of them to chime in as to what I think it is; and I'm sure it's complicated; but something is not right, and this doesn't look like a flip switch fix.

210Don
01-03-2011, 12:51 AM
this team looks exactly like that 2003 team that won 3 straight chips they look old and slow while everyone else is better

tredigs
01-03-2011, 12:54 AM
I'm beginning to doubt that these Lakers are the same Lakers that can just turn it off and on when they please.

I would have to agree with this. They're getting stomped by sub .500 teams... at home, and getting stomped by the marquee teams as well.

The Lakers suck, and I love it.

drobe86
01-03-2011, 12:55 AM
I've been saying this since November... The Lakers are done lol..

ManRam
01-03-2011, 12:55 AM
i know teams going for 3 peats struggle during the regular season but even the mj bulls won 60 games. this team reminds me alot of last years celtics. they just didnt care, got raped by crap teams. the celtics even found a way to lose to the nets.

I disagree. I don't think it's that they didn't care, I think they were just coasting and preserving their minutes. They were an older team. From what I see, the Lakers look pissed. They look like they are giving it their all. They almost look worried. They are logging big time minutes in an effort to win. There is a sense of desperation and frustration. Just look at the faces of the starters when they were on the bench, even before it was a blowout. They care. The Celtic starters weren't getting big minutes during the regular season either, like the Lakers are.

You NEVER saw that last year from Boston. Regardless of their record and the results, everyone expected them to be fine in the playoffs. That isn't the case for LA right now.

I think it's two different situations.

iggypop123
01-03-2011, 12:55 AM
if pau gasol is not hiding an injury then its bad news for the lakers if gasol is playing healthy. he has been crap, the lakers not shockingly arent a good shooting team but they continue to brick their 3s. of course the thing that wont change is the desire. its the regular season they just will half effort games. it is what it is. but gasol and kobe have regressed incredibly in 6 months.

kobe24>lebron23
01-03-2011, 12:57 AM
I would have to agree with this. They're getting stomped by sub .500 teams... at home, and getting stomped by the marquee teams as well.

The Lakers suck, and I love it.

Enjoy it cuz come playoff time you'll be hating it!

kobe24>lebron23
01-03-2011, 12:58 AM
I've been saying this since November... The Lakers are done lol..

Ok??
Im sure Dallas isnt anything especial either they aint going anywhere this year(like always)

210Don
01-03-2011, 12:59 AM
Enjoy it cuz come playoff time you'll be hating it!

that 03 year everyone thought they turn it on in the playoffs too. and kobe was younger they just gased out and were old like now. but lakers can never be counted out especially with no significant injurys

tredigs
01-03-2011, 01:00 AM
This was the last game of a road trip from a significantly sub .500 team... playing on a road back to back. These are gimme games. Turrible LA.

The Lakers are 100% healthy, too. Bynum actually played well. I could understand a loss, but it's tough to imagine championship squads being PUMMELED so consistently.

kobe24>lebron23
01-03-2011, 01:00 AM
if pau gasol is not hiding an injury then its bad news for the lakers if gasol is playing healthy. he has been crap, the lakers not shockingly arent a good shooting team but they continue to brick their 3s. of course the thing that wont change is the desire. its the regular season they just will half effort games. it is what it is. but gasol and kobe have regressed incredibly in 6 months.

No... Kobe had a couple of bad games but hes back to normal again... Gasol on the other hand????:confused:

LTBaByyy
01-03-2011, 01:03 AM
Well im just glad that ends the people saying Gasol is the best PF

Flash3
01-03-2011, 01:04 AM
i really think gasol is hiding an injury, not even close to what he's suppose to play like.

kobe24>lebron23
01-03-2011, 01:05 AM
I disagree. I don't think it's that they didn't care, I think they were just coasting and preserving their minutes. They were an older team. From what I see, the Lakers look pissed. They look like they are giving it their all. They almost look worried. They are logging big time minutes in an effort to win. There is a sense of desperation and frustration. Just look at the faces of the starters when they were on the bench, even before it was a blowout. They care. The Celtic starters weren't getting big minutes during the regular season either, like the Lakers are.

You NEVER saw that last year from Boston. Regardless of their record and the results, everyone expected them to be fine in the playoffs. That isn't the case for LA right now.

I think it's two different situations.

Come on man yes they looked mad but that doesnt mean they tried... They were coasting then with like 3-4 minutes left in the third the grizzles made their run and that was it lakers started shooting jumpers and they were allowing layup after layup!

ManRam
01-03-2011, 01:10 AM
No... Kobe had a couple of bad games but hes back to normal again... Gasol on the other hand????:confused:

Meh. To some extent. He isn't shooting as horrifically, but he isn't passing much, he's been turning it over a ton, and he isn't getting after the boards like he was earlier in the season. He's just not contributing in many other ways besides taking shots.

It's not fair to pin this all on Gasol. It's not fair to pin this all on anyone...and no one is safe from criticism. Everyone can player better, and it is a team game. I mean, Artest is a waste on offense, Odom in inconsistent as hell, Pau is struggling, Kobe isn't playing the best team ball he can, Bynum has hardly been a factor on offnese since he's been back, the bench is regressing. Phil certainly isn't blame free either.

Let's not simplify this and deflect it all to Pau...

justinnum1
01-03-2011, 01:13 AM
Well im just glad that ends the people saying Gasol is the best PF

Seriously.

Garnett
amare
bosh
booz
dirk

all playing better than gasol

iggypop123
01-03-2011, 01:16 AM
its so weird every fan in the world is panicking but phil jackson isnt, the players arent, the memphis coach said they will be fine, phillys collins said they have no weakness, NO coach said they are great. makes no sense. maybe they know something we dont.

210Don
01-03-2011, 01:18 AM
its so weird every fan in the world is panicking but phil jackson isnt, the players arent, the memphis coach said they will be fine, phillys collins said they have no weakness, NO coach said they are great. makes no sense. maybe they know something we dont.

ahh there not just gonna give up lol they are saying the right thing we are looking at it differently. they shouldnt be panicking but concerned

Avenged
01-03-2011, 01:21 AM
The Lakers aren't done.. Silly Mavs fan, although I'm sure you're praying they are ;)

JK. Anyways, there definitely is something wrong with this Lakers team currently. And I also don't think they can just pick it up in the playoffs.. They need to start playing better NOW, that in which I'm sure they're capable of. There's some spurts they looks incredible, and others they're just so complacent out there. Heck, they better get their act together soon at least by the 16 of this month [I'm going to the game ;)] and I do not want to see them play that poorly.

tredigs
01-03-2011, 01:25 AM
Seriously.

Garnett
amare
bosh
booz
dirk

all playing better than gasol

Well if it's a PF party, let's not forget Blake Griffin. 24/14/4 on 53% shooting the past month+.

That said, Pau has not been a PF, he's been out of position logging huge minutes while guarding centers for the entirety of Bynum's absence. That'll add up over the course of a month+.

Worst news for the Lakers? They've played the easiest schedule in the NBA thus far; luckily for them that won't be changing for another couple weeks, so they'll have their chance to work out the massive kinks against more sub .500 teams.

Artest's lack of anything resembling professional grade offense (in the NBA, or Istanbul) is something I'd be a little worried about if I'm a Laker fan. I realize he's a defensive specialist and all, but part of Ron's appeal is that he was also a very apt offensive threat. If that's out the door all together at this stage of his career, it weakens their overall offense.

Whole team just looks old and slow right now; have to wonder if they'll start making panic trades, or if they're going to try and fight through it and take the lower seed (also going to be a big disadvantage for them in comparison to the past couple years).

dnewguy
01-03-2011, 01:32 AM
I guess it's time I start laughing @ everyone..........Before the season started, I said the Lakers are done, people laughed at me. Told y'all Artest is who he is, he's won a championship now.......it's time his cancer spread to the rest. The Lakers would be better off without Artest IMHO.

Wade>You
01-03-2011, 01:33 AM
Come on man yes they looked mad but that doesnt mean they tried... They were coasting then with like 3-4 minutes left in the third the grizzles made their run and that was it lakers started shooting jumpers and they were allowing layup after layup!Maybe the boxscore is deceiving and it's just how the quarters finished, but the Lakers were outscored in every quarter of the game.

Wade>You
01-03-2011, 01:36 AM
I've been saying this for a while now, but the Lakers should probably trade Artest. Keep everyone else.

ManRam
01-03-2011, 01:39 AM
I guess it's time I start laughing @ everyone..........Before the season started, I said the Lakers are done, people laughed at me. Told y'all Artest is who he is, he's won a championship now.......it's time his cancer spread to the rest. The Lakers would be better off without Artest IMHO.

There wasnt logic behind you saying that...it was just bias hate, so no one will care if you laugh. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut occasionally.

Also, it's january, they aren't "done". They're struggling, but they are still the champs and have a better roster on paper. It's as foolish as people claiming your team as a failure after 15 games...

tredigs
01-03-2011, 01:44 AM
There want logic behind you saying that.

Also, it's january, they aren't "done". They're struggling, but they are still the champs and have a better roster on paper. It's as foolish as people claiming your team as a failure after 15 games...

D>O>N>E!

Just kidding... but let's just keep thinking those happy thoughts for now. If we can help just one Lakers fan have a premature panic attack and jump ship to the opposite Staples spectrum and onto the Blake Griffin bandwagon, then we've done our job.

Avenged
01-03-2011, 01:47 AM
The Lakers will be done if they lose in the 1st round of the playoffs... No championship team is "done" in the 2nd day of January..

If they do lose in the 1st round though, just expect some trades. ;)

Teeboy1487
01-03-2011, 01:59 AM
It's naive to think the lakers are done in January. The lakers are struggling right now no question, but they have plenty of time to get it together. However, I'm kind of alarmed by Kobe and Pau's play. Kobe has not been "great" all season and Pau is playing very badly right now. Until we get those two playing well consistently by their standards, we will continue to struggle.

kblo247
01-03-2011, 02:34 AM
Some of you guys know me and some of you don't on here, but hear me out when I tell you the problem that was presented in this game and has reared its head at times this season.

The Game:
If you didn't watch the game or listen to the broadcast which Spero (play by play guy for LA) and Shaw (lead assistant) both said they got on Pau at the half for holding the ball and then throwing it out to the guards against the clock and not making his rotations on defense.

I admit that they went Kobe Ball in the 3rd but that was only after they started the third with Artest, Fisher, and Pau not doing anything. Memphis went up by double digits and then it went to give the ball to Kobe and get out of his way. He and Bynum left down 6 with Pau, Odom, and the B's on the floor. They went down by 22 and 12 of those points were on layups that Pau gave up because he didn't rotate or challenge. They aired a video in the game and had Spero break it down and he said two things "This game is on Pau because he played no defense and gave no energy" and "Getting Pau involved in this game is a catch 22 because there is no point in passing him the ball if he doesn't do anything with it besides throw it out with 8 seconds or less on the clock, which he did 9 times".

I do wish that Phil played Bynum in the fourth quarter and that they would honestly move Ron to the second unit as he did nothing tonight on either end (besides put over his new single dropping and Lopez Tonight appearance during the pregame). Barnes has outplayed him so much that it is not a joke at the moment.

3 Sentence Summary: Pau was overly passive when they needed a second option and looked overly lathargic out there. Kobe, Lamar, Barnes, Blake, and Bynum would have been better served playing all 48 as that was the only unit that played hard and kept the game close. You can lament the approach of Kobe Ball but they were down all game by double digits playing team ball with Pau, so you have to watch the game to decide if Kobe Ball at the time is the chicken or egg at the moment and in that setting.


The Ron and Pau Problem As It Stands:
I can do with Pau and Ron not producing stats if I see effort, like I deal with Fisher, Odom, Kobe, or Bynum doing at times. It is just that when they don't play hard or in Pau's case extremely overly passive, it pisses me off.

Odom even made the comment, "some people seem to be happy with 1 ring or 2, but me I want to go down as being part of a dynasty" after the game.

They just seem like 2 guys at the moment who are happy to remove their soft label and trying to market their brand respectively, which is sad to watch as they are talented enough that they shouldn't have "a full stomach" or be "mentally fried".

HuRRiCaNeS324
01-03-2011, 03:29 AM
Do Laker fans think their struggles are something fundamental or because "they dont care/cruising to the playoffs"?

I honestly think its something fundamental, its clear they WANT to win, but they are not. I was convinced of this the game before Miami's when they lost to the Bucks. Kobe made it clear before the game they had to win the game and they didn't. Also, i don't think its something they can just flip the switch. If the playoffs started now, they can play as hard as they want, but they would have a first round exit. I think it has a lot to do with Ron Artest. On offense he isn't doing ****, and on defense he is not stopping anyone like he normally does. Also, something is wrong with Pau Gasol, his struggles has gone on long enough.

LTBaByyy
01-03-2011, 03:45 AM
Gasol + Artest for Anthony and Billups lol

blueplanet
01-03-2011, 03:47 AM
Where are threads like " Lakers: Are they done?" Just imagine if Miami would play like this now!! wow! There would be at least 10 threads on Miami-hating by now. Now Heat has gone 17-1 and there's no Heat threads.

Anyways, Lakers are far from done people and I am pretty sure they will get their act together.

Lim
01-03-2011, 03:48 AM
they need to trade fisher and artest honestly. they should go after ariza or iggy in place of artest. and they honestly might be able to get steve nash if phx keeps on sucking. just give them luke waltons expiring(i heard he is expiring.. not sure), devon ebanks, derrick caracter, 2 1st round picks( or 3 if thats what it takes) and fisher for nash.

kblo247
01-03-2011, 03:53 AM
We can all deal with Fisher sucking doing the regular season because that is just how he rolls.

It is Artest who is the glaring problem right now and even his own brother said Ron will need to be traded soon for the good of LA and himself. He seems to be spending more and more time on his brand than on his game, unlike last season when he was hurt.

I know that LA will be all right because I have faith in my team, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a deal take place this season that moves an Artest and Shannon combo

sunsfan88
01-03-2011, 04:14 AM
Suns will give LA Steve Nash if their trading Pau.

Despite Nash playing fantastic, its clear that we need a true PF to succeed.

sunsfan88
01-03-2011, 04:18 AM
Btw way I read somewhere that if the Suns and the Lakers continue to suck, then they might consider trading Nash & Kobe to the Nets. NJ would do whatever it takes to get Nash & Kobe because then 'Melo will almost certainly want to play for the Nets so they can have their own big 3 of Nash, Kobe and 'Melo.

No idea how legit it is but its just a rumor.

kblo247
01-03-2011, 04:34 AM
:laugh2: you are funny, but I got three words for you - No Trade Clause

Avenged
01-03-2011, 04:40 AM
Do Laker fans think their struggles are something fundamental or because "they dont care/cruising to the playoffs"?

I honestly think its something fundamental, its clear they WANT to win, but they are not. I was convinced of this the game before Miami's when they lost to the Bucks. Kobe made it clear before the game they had to win the game and they didn't. Also, i don't think its something they can just flip the switch. If the playoffs started now, they can play as hard as they want, but they would have a first round exit. I think it has a lot to do with Ron Artest. On offense he isn't doing ****, and on defense he is not stopping anyone like he normally does. Also, something is wrong with Pau Gasol, his struggles has gone on long enough.

Personally, I think somethings going on. They definitely are not cruising, no player likes to lose, and especially lose this badly on their homecourt. If you saw the game, you could see the look of disgust and shock by the Laker players that they were losing that badly. I do think they can turn it up another notch, but I don't think they can just turn it around whenever they please. It needs to start soon, not right when the playoffs begin.

A minor trade might help, a decent role player hungry for a championship willing to give it his all. As a Lakers fan I'd like to say we'll be fine, but there's clearly something going on.

John Walls Era
01-03-2011, 05:15 AM
Suns will give LA Steve Nash if their trading Pau.

Despite Nash playing fantastic, its clear that we need a true PF to succeed.

Not happening. Lakers don't need Steve Nash, they need Pau.

YoungOne
01-03-2011, 05:21 AM
Watched the Toronto/Boston game 2nite; Rondo played horrible, 1st game back from the injury.

he wasn't that bad and had more influence then u can see

SteBO
01-03-2011, 07:56 AM
Personally, I think somethings going on. They definitely are not cruising, no player likes to lose, and especially lose this badly on their homecourt. If you saw the game, you could see the look of disgust and shock by the Laker players that they were losing that badly. I do think they can turn it up another notch, but I don't think they can just turn it around whenever they please. It needs to start soon, not right when the playoffs begin.

A minor trade might help, a decent role player hungry for a championship willing to give it his all. As a Lakers fan I'd like to say we'll be fine, but there's clearly something going on.
In all honesty, I think you can link their struggles to Pau Gasol. He hasn't been playing well and when that happens it forces Kobe to take more shots and therefore leads to Phil Jackson calling him out on it through the media. Pau had 10 pts and 8 rebs last nite and that won't cut it.

JayW_1023
01-03-2011, 09:50 AM
Pau isn't struggling...he just doesn't get the touches he needs. And alot of blame for that is to Kobe for shooting way too damn much.

SteBO
01-03-2011, 10:25 AM
Pau isn't struggling...he just doesn't get the touches he needs. And alot of blame for that is to Kobe for shooting way too damn much.

How many touches did he get last night?

JayW_1023
01-03-2011, 12:54 PM
How many touches did he get last night?

It's not that easy...you can't just dump it to Pau and expect him to create something out of nothing. The Lakers' offense has no fluid ball movement, something we haven't seen much the past three years. As a result Pau has trouble getting good rhythm shots.

This is what happens when your best player, Kobe, starts chucking away and stops trusting his teammates to help win ballgames. His teammates become spectators because they have no clue wether Kobe will go at it alone or start facilitating once in a while.

Kobe had just 2 assists. He is playing like the Kobe of four years ago...like a stubborn selfish player who thinks he can win a game by himself. How easily he forgot game 7 of last years finals, where the Lakers won that game because he deferred to his teammates. It took a tirade from D-Fish to get him to do so too.

SteBO
01-03-2011, 12:57 PM
It's not that easy...you can't just dump it to Pau and expect him to create something out of nothing. The Lakers' offense has no fluid ball movement, something we haven't seen much the past three years. As a result Pau has trouble getting good rhythm shots.

This is what happens when your best player, Kobe, starts chucking away and stops trusting his teammates to help win ballgames. His teammates become spectators because they have no clue wether Kobe will go at it alone or start facilitating once in a while.

Kobe had just 2 assists. He is playing like the Kobe of four years ago...like a stubborn selfish player who thinks he can win a game by himself. How easily he forgot game 7 of last years finals, where the Lakers won that game because he deferred to his teammates. It took a tirade from D-Fish to get him to do so too.

Sorry! :o I meant to ask, how many shots did he get up?

JayW_1023
01-03-2011, 01:12 PM
Sorry! :o I meant to ask, how many shots did he get up?

Just 9 Fg attempts for Pau. Compare that to Kobes 22.

SteBO
01-03-2011, 01:16 PM
Just 9 Fg attempts for Pau. Compare that to Kobes 22.

:speechless: It's a good thing Phil blasted Kobe's one on one BS last nite. We truly are seeing 2006 Kobe Bryant again, but i don't know how this gets fixed, because everytime Pau has touched the ball lately, he throws up soft jumpers that end up getting blocked. Regardless, he's their best low post player, they need to get him a lot more shots, because he's a way better player than 10 pts and 8 rebounds.

JayW_1023
01-03-2011, 01:32 PM
:speechless: It's a good thing Phil blasted Kobe's one on one BS last nite. We truly are seeing 2006 Kobe Bryant again, but i don't know how this gets fixed, because everytime Pau has touched the ball lately, he throws up soft jumpers that end up getting blocked. Regardless, he's their best low post player, they need to get him a lot more shots, because he's a way better player than 10 pts and 8 rebounds.

Pau needs rhythm shots and he is at his best when the other four guys are moving well without the ball so his abilty to pass can be utilized. When one guy has the ball and everyone else becomes a spectator the D gets bailed out and can collapse on you.

It starts with Kobe, their star. He is setting the wrong example by taking too many difficult shots. And even when your best big is struggling, 9 shots for a guy like Gasol is inexcusable. The Lakers have too many weapons besides Kobe Bryant for him to take the bulk of the Fg attempts. This isn't efficient basketball.

SteBO
01-03-2011, 01:33 PM
Pau needs rhythm shots and he is at his best when the other four guys are moving well without the ball so his abilty to pass can be utilized. When one guy has the ball and everyone else becomes a spectator the D gets bailed out and can collapse on you.

It starts with Kobe, their star. He is setting the wrong example by taking too many difficult shots. And even when your best big is struggling, 9 shots for a guy like Gasol is inexcusable. The Lakers have too many weapons besides Kobe Bryant for him to take the bulk of the Fg attempts. This isn't efficient basketball.

Agreed.