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bruser23
12-27-2010, 08:55 AM
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Seattle Seahawks (6-9) VS St. Louis Rams (7-8)

Location: Qwest Field

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Time: 5:20 PT Sunday, January 2nd TV: NBC

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304.0 Total Yards 309.0
218.9 Yards Passing 204.0
85.2 Yards Rushing 105.1
376.7 Yards Allowed 337.4
259.0 Pass Yds Allowed 224.3
117.7 Rush Yds Allowed 113.1


QB Comparison
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Charlie Whitehurst Matt Hasselbeck Sam Bradford
Comp | Att | Yds | Cmp% | Ypa | Lng | TD | INT | Sack | Rate |
24 | 45 | 249 | 53.3 | 5.53 | 36 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 49.2 |
266 | 444 | 3001 | 59.9 | 6.76 | 87 | 12 | 17 | 29 | 73.2 |
335 | 554 | 3357 | 60.5 | 6.06 | 49 | 18 | 14 | 31 | 78.0 |


RB Comparison
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Marshawn Lynch Steven Jackson
Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Rec | Yds | Avg | TD | Fum |
168 | 609 | 3.6 | 39 | 6 | 21 | 152 | 7.2 | 0 | 3 |
319 | 1196 | 3.7 | 42 | 6 | 42 | 334 | 8.2 | 0 | 1 |

WR/TE Comparison
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Mike Williams Danny Amendola
Rec | Yds | Avg | Yrd/G | Lng | TD | 20+ | 40+ | 1st | FUM |
62 | 735 | 11.9 | 56.5 | 68 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 38 | 0 |
83 | 680 | 8.2 | 45.3 | 36 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 35 | 1 |


Defensive Leaders
Tackles Sacks Interceptions
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David Hawthorne Chris Clemons Earl Thomas
99 10.5 5

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James Laurinaitis James Hall Bradley Fletcher
105 10.0 4



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Created by Bruser23

nygiants242
12-27-2010, 08:58 AM
Week 18? The NFL is already in an 18 Week season? :laugh2:

bruser23
12-27-2010, 09:01 AM
Week 18? The NFL is already in an 18 Week season? :laugh2:

I didn't see anything, :whistle: Long night...

Thebudler
12-27-2010, 11:11 AM
If Whitehurst starts/ plays I see no way the Hawks win this game. I would rather see Losman play!

drew_ellis_23
12-27-2010, 01:59 PM
I hope we start Charlie, I hope he practices all week with the starters and goes out there and gives us something to evaluate. Matt has been horrible too, and is not our best chance with one arm. You hit him and he fumbles, you pressure him he throws INTS. Charlie just needs to get the reps and the coaching has a week to come up with a solid scheme that a guy with no experience can manage. They need to simplify the offense and get him comfortable then open the playbook. Build up his confidence. This is a winnable game no matter who starts at QB. We need to be prepared, and our defense needs to show up. Tampa scored every time they had the ball. Our special teams was horrible too. This game will be won or lost as a team.

Thebudler
12-27-2010, 03:08 PM
Charlie couldn't hit Obamanu 10 yards away! Bates put him in a good position to build confidence and he had two horrible throws that any QB in the NFL could complete! There was no excuse. I know Hasselbeck hasn't played well, but he does give the Hawks the best chance to win. He can read defenses and check off plays if need be. Charlie seems like a deer in headlights. He hasn't shown me anything at all! If he starts, I give the hawks a 10% chance of winning the game.

furmat60
12-27-2010, 03:09 PM
If Matt plays, we got this.

Thebudler
12-27-2010, 03:44 PM
If Matt plays, we got this.

I agree. Whithurst has done nothing to show me he is a NFL capable QB.Hasselbeck has been there, done that. This is one game where experience could win us the game!

Seattle4Ever
12-27-2010, 04:38 PM
I don't really care who plays. If we lose, 13th pick <3 If we win, we go to the playoffs and don't lose our dignity.

NateyB24
12-27-2010, 05:12 PM
We win if Matt plays i don't know what we have in Charlie, Matt showed he can be capable when he played the Saints and Cards. While i want that 13th pick i want to beat the crap out of a divisional opponent.

Seattle4Ever
12-27-2010, 05:19 PM
We win if Matt plays i don't know what we have in Charlie, Matt showed he can be capable when he played the Saints and Cards. While i want that 13th pick i want to beat the crap out of a divisional opponent.

This.

Boozerguy47
12-27-2010, 07:17 PM
^ Yeah, pretty sure that is how the majority feels. I want us to win, but if we lose it isn't the worse thing that could happen.

Seattle4Ever
12-27-2010, 07:48 PM
To be honest, I'd prefer the loss. Actually, I don't know, lol.

chonbon
12-27-2010, 08:23 PM
good luck and no injuries... go rams

plastikman
12-27-2010, 08:38 PM
I think I would prefer to lose too. I mean lets face it, we aren't good enough to go all the way and neither are the Rams. I will be at the game, should be interesting

drew_ellis_23
12-27-2010, 10:08 PM
i hope we lose

furmat60
12-28-2010, 02:45 AM
i hope we lose

You have to be kidding me. Why even say that?

FWBrodie
12-28-2010, 03:22 AM
You have to be kidding me. Why even say that?

He probably would like to have a chance at ending the chirade of being a terrible team with no hope at the most important position in football.

Nica
12-28-2010, 09:58 AM
I almost like that everyone forgets about the Hawks tucked away up in the Pacific North-West. When the Hawks were legitimate contenders 5 years ago- most people never saw them coming- but the faithful- we knew.
Displaying our beloved Hawks in an important Nationallly televised play-off game when they are this bad is both futile and potentially embarrassing. Recall the shame of the Giants/ Raiders games. The pragmatic/ realistic side of me says to fade quietly into the off-season and get ready for FA season and draft.
The passionate side of being a Hawks fan says hey lets hit the play-offs and roll the dice and see what happens. Anyone can run a hot streak and grab some wins come play-off time. Well anyone but the Hawks that is. Damn that was the reality factor kicking in again !

Thebudler
12-28-2010, 11:04 AM
You guys are making me sick! I miss going to playoff games! We need to take advantage of the situation and back into the playoffs with a loosing record. The Hawks would have no expectations! It will probably be raining or snowing, and you never know what can happen. Drew Brees could twist his ankle or get tackled awkwardly and be out of the game. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN! No way would I want to loose to someone in division to let them go into the playoffs! I understand the higher draft pick argument, but come on guys, we have a chance to hang another NFC West Champions banner! GO HAWKS!!!!!

$$$$$=SUPERBOWL
12-28-2010, 11:12 AM
Yep...the only stadium in all the NFL to have a division winning banner @ 7-9. I really don't know if I'd want to see that. Rams do the same thing as last game versus the hawks but only better. 42 - 3

Knuckles
12-28-2010, 11:54 AM
Wow, a lot of people on the fence in here. Wasn't expecting that. Usually you guys are passioante about beating us! I guess the circumsatnces may be a little different for these 2 teams tho. I think winning this game for a young Rams team would be a HUGE confidence builder (even if we do fizzle in the playoffs). It's been a long road back for us, and this would be another hurdle to cross. There are more positives to us getting into the playoffs than another high pick imo.

FWBrodie
12-28-2010, 12:06 PM
Wow, a lot of people on the fence in here. Wasn't expecting that. Usually you guys are passioante about beating us! I guess the circumsatnces may be a little different for these 2 teams tho. I think winning this game for a young Rams team would be a HUGE confidence builder (even if we do fizzle in the playoffs). It's been a long road back for us, and this would be another hurdle to cross. There are more positives to us getting into the playoffs than another high pick imo.

Let me break it down for you. The Rams have a quarterback, the Seahawks do not.

furmat60
12-28-2010, 12:09 PM
You guys are making me sick! I miss going to playoff games! We need to take advantage of the situation and back into the playoffs with a loosing record. The Hawks would have no expectations! It will probably be raining or snowing, and you never know what can happen. Drew Brees could twist his ankle or get tackled awkwardly and be out of the game. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN! No way would I want to loose to someone in division to let them go into the playoffs! I understand the higher draft pick argument, but come on guys, we have a chance to hang another NFC West Champions banner! GO HAWKS!!!!!

I love you.

Knuckles
12-28-2010, 01:08 PM
Let me break it down for you. The Rams have a quarterback, the Seahawks do not.

So do you think you guys are going full rebuild mode then? I mean what direction do you think the Seahawks are heading?

House
12-28-2010, 01:52 PM
So do you think you guys are going full rebuild mode then? I mean what direction do you think the Seahawks are heading?

We need to further develop our OL that has fallen apart over the past couple years and get a young QB behind it. We are 2 years from SOLID playoff contention.

This draft we need to address OL and CB. Our DL started off great this year, but injuries killed us. We need more quality depth on the DL.

crzyhawk
12-28-2010, 02:01 PM
I'm really torn on this...as much as it pains me to say this, I want the Rams to win this game. Making the playoffs would be cool and all...for the whole week it will take until we get destroyed by the Saints at home, and we'll be left thinking, man that 13th would be nice right about now.

So yes, I want the Rams to beat my Hawks. I want to have hope for next year, I want to be able to be a fan of a competitive team. Unlike the players who's careers may end and may never make the playoffs again and may be fighting for that once in a lifetime opportunity, I'm going to be a fan of the Seahawks forever.

That means I don't want to watch 9 loses by an average of 21 points next year. This season is over, our team is not good enough to "any given Sunday" our way to a Lombardi. A win, MAYBE 2 but the SB is out of reach for our team, and everyone who thinks otherwise needs to take off their homer glasses.

So really, if we beat the Rams all we get is a division banner to hang up and the right to get embarrassed on National Television, and a craptastic pick. Pass. We need to get a franchise QB. Charlie isn't the answer and neither is Matt at this stage of his career. Losing to the Rams gives us a better chance to fill that gaping hole in our roster...and be good for the next 10 years.

So Go Rams I say. And now I'm going to go take a shower with some comet, sos pads and maybe bleach because I don't know if I'll ever be able to feel clean again.

House
12-28-2010, 02:23 PM
I'm really torn on this...as much as it pains me to say this, I want the Rams to win this game. Making the playoffs would be cool and all...for the whole week it will take until we get destroyed by the Saints at home, and we'll be left thinking, man that 13th would be nice right about now.

So yes, I want the Rams to beat my Hawks. I want to have hope for next year, I want to be able to be a fan of a competitive team. Unlike the players who's careers may end and may never make the playoffs again and may be fighting for that once in a lifetime opportunity, I'm going to be a fan of the Seahawks forever.

That means I don't want to watch 9 loses by an average of 21 points next year. This season is over, our team is not good enough to "any given Sunday" our way to a Lombardi. A win, MAYBE 2 but the SB is out of reach for our team, and everyone who thinks otherwise needs to take off their homer glasses.

So really, if we beat the Rams all we get is a division banner to hang up and the right to get embarrassed on National Television, and a craptastic pick. Pass. We need to get a franchise QB. Charlie isn't the answer and neither is Matt at this stage of his career. Losing to the Rams gives us a better chance to fill that gaping hole in our roster...and be good for the next 10 years.

So Go Rams I say. And now I'm going to go take a shower with some comet, sos pads and maybe bleach because I don't know if I'll ever be able to feel clean again.

Thank you for your honesty...

I agree with you in regards to not wanting to "Hang another banner". I love the Seahawks, I'd love to be Division Champs, but I want us to be able to defend it. We're aren't ready yet... I see no point in winning the division, getting beat up at home in the Wild Card round and then going back to the drawing board for next year. We have several things that need to be fixed and there's no point in winning the division this year and stinking it up next year.

Knuckles
12-28-2010, 02:50 PM
We need to further develop our OL that has fallen apart over the past couple years and get a young QB behind it. We are 2 years from SOLID playoff contention.

This draft we need to address OL and CB. Our DL started off great this year, but injuries killed us. We need more quality depth on the DL.

So do you think it would be wise to draft a QB at 13 (if that's what happens, not baiting), or solidify your o-line first? Our FO was crucified for not drafting Matt Ryan, Sanchez, etc. and taking Smith, and passing on the franchise QB. It seems to have worked out well here, and I think it was the right approach to proect the qb first. We may not have the weapons around him at the WR position yet, but we're doing a pretty good job of protecting him.

Thebudler
12-28-2010, 03:11 PM
Hasselbeck threw for 366 yards against the saints this year. I know Brees beat us up to, but they are going to have to travel and come into a hostile environment in elements they are not custom to playing in. It will be cold and rainy. Anything can happen. If I was guaranteed the Hawks would get Mallett, Luck, or Newton, I MAY say loose the game, but I don't see them being available with Vikings, 49ers, cardinals all needing QB's and drafting ahead of us. Whoop the rams @$$e$ and see what happens in the playoffs!!!!!!

crzyhawk
12-28-2010, 03:16 PM
So do you think it would be wise to draft a QB at 13 (if that's what happens, not baiting), or solidify your o-line first? Our FO was crucified for not drafting Matt Ryan, Sanchez, etc. and taking Smith, and passing on the franchise QB. It seems to have worked out well here, and I think it was the right approach to proect the qb first. We may not have the weapons around him at the WR position yet, but we're doing a pretty good job of protecting him.

I think it depends on who's available at 13. if there is a worthy QB, I think we have to take him. If not, well...there's a lot more other holes that we can fill at 13 (and the better position in the remaining rounds). I'd hate to reach on a QB at 13, but if it's there...

Draft him and let Charlie get pounded next year until the O-line is solidified.

House
12-28-2010, 04:21 PM
I think it depends on who's available at 13. if there is a worthy QB, I think we have to take him. If not, well...there's a lot more other holes that we can fill at 13 (and the better position in the remaining rounds). I'd hate to reach on a QB at 13, but if it's there...

Draft him and let Charlie get pounded next year until the O-line is solidified.

We can always trade back if that QB isn't there @ #13. Thats my recommendation!

Jepetto1872
12-28-2010, 04:24 PM
Well, I still want us to win. I have a hard time rooting against the team I love when they actually have a chance to make the playoffs. When you have a chance to get in, you take it

thehands816
12-28-2010, 04:37 PM
I've been on the fence about whether I want to beat the Rams and go to the playoffs or lose and get a better draft pick. I've made up my mind and here are my reasons.

I want to beat the Rams and see what happens in the playoffs.

Bear with me as this is a bit long. Just hear me out.

Why win now? The unknown.

First of all, what happens in the playoffs is unknown. Based on this season, is it likely we'll meet the Saints and get killed in the first round? Probably. But like someone else said above, Brees could get hurt on the first play (I'm certainly not wishing for that...I never wish injuries to any player, but it happens) and we could catch lightning in a bottle and roll past them and take that momentum into the 2nd round. Sure we'll be 7-9 and a 9-7 team would have a better chance of getting hot and rolling in the playoffs, but what happens is unknown. Making it into the playoffs (regardless of record) says a lot to players who will be hitting free agency this offseason as well as our rookies. It gives them a taste of what we're capable of. Even if we lose in the first round, they'll have the taste of the playoffs in their mouth and they'll be hungry for it. That taste is much better than the bitter taste of having lost to a 7-8 division rival and watching them step on your throat to get into the playoffs while you walk away with your tail between your legs.

Forget about the draft pick right now (I'll address that next). Just think about the present in this scenario. One of two things happens. We finish 7-9, hang a Division Champion banner and give our players a chance to play in the playoffs -or- we finish 6-10 and give the Rams the playoff experience and hang our tails between our legs. Personally, I would rather finish 7-9 and get the NFC West crown and the playoff experience AND (here's the important and often forgotten part) ALSO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THE RAMS! It's not just about what we get by winning, but what we take away from a division rival that is improving. It would be a crushing blow to the Rams. They've been developing chemistry and improving and it would be a big negative for them to lose the division to us at 7-9. Any edge we can keep over a division rival is always a positive. We get the playoff experience AND we take it away from the Rams.

Now, in terms of the draft pick, it once again comes down to the unknown. We have no idea what's going to happen in the draft. There are so many different scenarios that are out of our control. We need a QB, OL, CB (among other things). If we pick at 13, the top 4 QBs (Luck, Mallett, Locker, Newton) could ALL be gone by then. We don't need a LT and those are the only OL that you need a high pick for. We can get the OL we need with a later 1st or 2nd round pick or in FA. Or we can make the playoffs and then package some picks/players and move back up in the first and still take the QB we want (if that's the direction they decide to go). Making the playoffs this year does not NECESSARILY mean we're screwed out of a good 1st round pick next year. Also, don't forget about free agency. There is just too much unknown about what will happen in free agency and the draft next year. We can always work some magic in free agency and/or the draft. There are ways to make it happen and our FO showed this last offseason they are willing and able to make things happen.

We need to strive for greatness in EVERYTHING WE DO. There is no glory in losing anything. We need to play to win now AND in the future. Winning the division and making it to the playoffs (while also taking that away from a division rival) is something we can control now and something we MUST do.

crzyhawk
12-28-2010, 05:14 PM
There's no glory in losing in the first round of the playoffs either. You talk a lot of "if" but I'll take the Vegas odds. If I didn't think we were a legit 7-9 (bad bounces, bad officiating, etc) I'd be all for going to the playoffs. The bottom line is, we got blown out in all of our losses unless I'm missing something. A borderline team doesn't lose by an average of 21 points over 9 losses. That's a team with serious flaws, that NEED to be addressed by the draft.

Forget about the 13 pick, think of the improved position in the later rounds as well. That's where the true value of picking sooner is. Is the draft a craps shoot? Yeah, but you're stacking the deck in your favor by having more names left on the board when your turn comes up, and can always move down and gain MORE picks in compensation.

This season has been over since we finally were able to take off our homer shaded glasses and admit that we have several holes. San Fran isn't going to choke like they did this year. The Rams are improving. We have to seize the opportunity to keep pace, or we could be in the basement for years to come...all for a division banner and a playoff thrashing.

Beating the Rams isn't going to set them back, it's going to let them draft better and gain more ground on us. Screw that crap. Give Pete more to shop for the groceries with.

Thebudler
12-28-2010, 05:32 PM
Do you think the Ravens would say yeah we would want to loose our last game to the Steelers so we can get a better draft pick? Or what about the Cowboys wanting to roll over for the Eagles, Giants or Redskins? This is what is wrong with SOME Seahawks fans! The rams are on the up and will be competitive (with Bradford) for years to come! We need to start a rivalry! Have the Rams wait until they get to get into the playoffs! Be the ones who keep the Rams out of the playoffs! Live in the now, it is one more time we can say we were better than everyone in our division!

shen
12-28-2010, 05:56 PM
The chances are if we go to playoffs this year we will enter a very long cycle of mediocrity. If the Rams get the better pick they will have many more options to vastly improve then they would in the 20's. IF they go to playoffs they are slowed down and have that mediocrity chance and we get chance to vastly improve.

Saying Ram's are improving so we need to make the playoffs is backasswards in every way. Us making playoffs only helps them improve and makes us worse.

Ravens won't lose because they have a legit chance of WINNING THE SUPERBOWL! The Ravens and Seahawks situations are not comparable even in the slightest since what so ever in a trillion years. Don't use examples that do nothing but show a lack of knowledge and big picture thinking.

If we go to playoffs nothing but bad will come from it. How many players you know that like getting embarrassed on national TV? This team will get annihilated by anyone it faces in the playoffs. The players will become rather depressed and all the while the Rams are getting more better talent and becoming hungry for a playoff appearance.

Thebudler
12-28-2010, 06:12 PM
The chances are if we go to playoffs this year we will enter a very long cycle of mediocrity. If the Rams get the better pick they will have many more options to vastly improve then they would in the 20's. IF they go to playoffs they are slowed down and have that mediocrity chance and we get chance to vastly improve.

Saying Ram's are improving so we need to make the playoffs is backasswards in every way. Us making playoffs only helps them improve and makes us worse.

Ravens won't lose because they have a legit chance of WINNING THE SUPERBOWL! The Ravens and Seahawks situations are not comparable even in the slightest since what so ever in a trillion years. Don't use examples that do nothing but show a lack of knowledge and big picture thinking.

If we go to playoffs nothing but bad will come from it. How many players you know that like getting embarrassed on national TV? This team will get annihilated by anyone it faces in the playoffs. The players will become rather depressed and all the while the Rams are getting more better talent and becoming hungry for a playoff appearance.

I am clearly not comparing the Seahawks to the Ravens. I am saying if they were in a similar position to us, where if you win, you go to the playoffs, if you loose a divisional game your rival will go to the playoffs, any team in the league would want to win this game! This is what is wrong with Seahawk fans! I HATE the 49ers, Cardinals and the Rams. Out of pride I want MY Seahawks to win the NFC West not any of those crappy teams! Have pride in the Hawks! I will never root for the Hawks to loose!

Thebudler
12-28-2010, 06:13 PM
Plus, Tye Hill, Adam Carriker, Alex Barron were all high first round picks. How did those work out for the Rams? Just because they have a higher pick doesn't mean they are getting a better player!

Thebudler
12-28-2010, 06:19 PM
if any of you &(&%@(@$ are rooting for the Hawks to loose and have tix to the game do everyone a favor and give them to someone who will enjoy them and cheer!

thehands816
12-28-2010, 06:22 PM
The chances are if we go to playoffs this year we will enter a very long cycle of mediocrity. If the Rams get the better pick they will have many more options to vastly improve then they would in the 20's. IF they go to playoffs they are slowed down and have that mediocrity chance and we get chance to vastly improve.

Saying Ram's are improving so we need to make the playoffs is backasswards in every way. Us making playoffs only helps them improve and makes us worse.

Ravens won't lose because they have a legit chance of WINNING THE SUPERBOWL! The Ravens and Seahawks situations are not comparable even in the slightest since what so ever in a trillion years. Don't use examples that do nothing but show a lack of knowledge and big picture thinking.

If we go to playoffs nothing but bad will come from it. How many players you know that like getting embarrassed on national TV? This team will get annihilated by anyone it faces in the playoffs. The players will become rather depressed and all the while the Rams are getting more better talent and becoming hungry for a playoff appearance.

You make great points. I can see both sides of the argument which is why I've been on the fence on this one. I don't wan't to roll over and let the Rams into the playoffs, but I don't want to lose out on good draft position AND give better draft position to the Rams. Ultimately, I said I want to win, but I won't be crushed if we lose. Our expectations have been falsely raised this season. We are far from being a playoff team, but we're somehow in a position to be in the playoffs (thanks, in part, to a couple of fluke wins). I'm actually going to be nervous watching the game. I'll be torn. Every fiber of my being will be pulling me to root for them to beat the Rams and make it to the playoffs but my mind will be trying to convince me to root for them to lose (secretly) for better draft position (and worse Rams draft position). DAMN THIS SITUATION!!!!

shen
12-28-2010, 06:23 PM
The Ram's have less holes then us and giving them chance at several players who will be instant starters at the holes they have does not interest me. Win this year and say "we beat the rams and made the playoffs!" then spend next 10 years below .500 saying "why oh why did we trade continued growth and success for an 17th game for us to get beat to oblivion". Remember Carriker and all them other first round oops where not Spagnola and the current regime. Rams already have a head start on us and if they have chance to add better pieces then we will never catch up. Look at the NFC south, they use to be much like the NFC West. However Bucs, Saints, and Falcons got the QB's and WR's and two have D and third is building it. If we make the playoffs then in two years we will be the Panthers this year, Rams will be Falcons, 49ers will be Saints, and Cards will be Bucs. Do you want to be the Panthers? HECK NO!

This is a rebuilding team that got screwed by early flukes. We were not suppose to win, we were not suppose to be in playoff hunt. We were suppose to keep building so that in a year or two when we made a playoff push we had a chance of making noise. Unfortunately because 49ers being less then advertised and us getting a few fluke wins we are now on verge of dumping the rebuild for mediocrity. Don't make the mistake that other teams have made over the years, KEEP BUILDING!

shen
12-28-2010, 06:25 PM
The "in the moment" fan in me will scream from top of lungs for Seahawks. However the team builder/big picture thinker in me will be preying for Rams.

Thebudler
12-28-2010, 06:30 PM
Than be an "in the moment fan" We are IN THE MOMENT!!!!!!! 12th man needs to come out strong! I am already getting fired up for this game!

shen
12-28-2010, 06:37 PM
Let me clarify, when game actually starts the big picture guy takes a nap. During the game I will be yelling for Seahawks. If the game comes down to final position I will be yelling for Seahawks and nervous with heart racing. Only after the game will in the moment man and big picture guy duke it out to decide how feel going forward.

Captain Planet
12-28-2010, 07:33 PM
Seahawks fans huh? The last week I have seen allot of fans on Facebook and Twitter rooting for the hawks to lose to get a better draft pick. Why dont we just throw the game? Screw that I wanna kick the **** out of the Rams. There are way too many fair weather fans out there.

I know not wining the west will land us a good pick. Winning the west will land us a later pick and could cost us a decent QB in the draft. I dont understand why a fan would root for their team to lose for a better draft spot. It is kinda embarrassing. I hope we kick the Rams ***** and win the West back!! GO HAWKS! 8-9 in the play offs lol wow.....


there thats better XD

shen
12-28-2010, 07:44 PM
You didn't listen to a single person as usual. No one is rooting for Rams to win, well at least not Seahawks fans (can think of few teams with fans rooting for Rams). Saying the outcome benefits team more is not the same thing as rooting for it. We have all said several times we are rooting for the Seahawks. It will make me sick to my stomach to see the Rams in the playoffs. However that does not change the fact that it is more beneficial long run and yes even short term to have us lose.

One more time so you can understand, We want Seahawks to win but understand the benefit of losing. Do you understand now? or will you keep making ridicules comments because don't take the time to actually read over what people say?

House
12-28-2010, 08:06 PM
I've got a ****ed up scenario... What IF Charlie wins us this game and we make the playoffs? Do we start Charlie or Matt in the Playoffs? LOL

Seattle4Ever
12-28-2010, 10:34 PM
I've got a ****ed up scenario... What IF Charlie wins us this game and we make the playoffs? Do we start Charlie or Matt in the Playoffs? LOL

:facepalm: :laugh:

House
12-29-2010, 12:16 AM
I know I mentioned if we win, we're drafting at @ #21 and if we lose we'd be a Top 13. It could be as HIGH as #9!

If we lose, with a SF win, HOU win and a MIN win, we are a Top 10 draft pick. The records below are my projected final standings. (I listed names in alphabetical order).

01. CAR 2-14
02-04. BUF 4-12, CIN 4-12 and DEN 4-12
05-08. ARI 5-11, CLE 5-11, DAL 5-11 and DET 5-11
09-13. HOU 6-10, SEA 6-10, S.F. 6-10, TEN 6-10 and WAS 6-10

furmat60
12-29-2010, 01:18 AM
What happens if Charlie wins and plays horrible but the Rams just play worse? Then you start Matt. If Charlie plays awesome and wins, then it proves that he is getting it by practicing with the first team offense. It's a hard decision. Matt has been our QB for a LONG TIME and deserves to play. On the other hand, Charlie (assuming he plays great) plays great, so why does he deserve to get benched? He doesn't. He deserves to keep playing and see for SURE whether or not we need to address the QB position this off season.

Captain Planet
12-29-2010, 02:42 AM
You didn't listen to a single person as usual. No one is rooting for Rams to win, well at least not Seahawks fans (can think of few teams with fans rooting for Rams). Saying the outcome benefits team more is not the same thing as rooting for it. We have all said several times we are rooting for the Seahawks. It will make me sick to my stomach to see the Rams in the playoffs. However that does not change the fact that it is more beneficial long run and yes even short term to have us lose.

One more time so you can understand, We want Seahawks to win but understand the benefit of losing. Do you understand now? or will you keep making ridicules comments because don't take the time to actually read over what people say?

Its not just what I read in this forum...its on facebook and twitter and every where....so many seahawks fans are just wanting to throw the game for a better pick. I read your posts, please calm the F down and relax.

I can understand losing and getting a better draft pick. I know that if we win the NFC West we will fall like 13 spots in the draft, and limit our chances on drafting a good QB. This isnt so much about the forum here, but more about what I have been seeing and hearing "Seahawks need to lose so we get a better draft pick, I am gonna root for ST. Lewis to win"....hearing that just pisses me off. Please dont go on the defensive and starting insulting me and attacking me for not reading "your" posts.

shen
12-29-2010, 02:55 AM
I am sorry but if they are the ones doing this then yell at them. I understand it can be annoying but don't come here and start directing anger at others to us. When sounds like someone is attacking my fandom I most def am going to get defensive. I understand misplacing ones anger, I have done it in the past plenty of times. Just maybe next time include words twitter and facebook when yelling about fans.

Captain Planet
12-29-2010, 02:58 AM
I am sorry but if they are the ones doing this then yell at them. I understand it can be annoying but don't come here and start directing anger at others to us. When sounds like someone is attacking my fandom I most def am going to get defensive. I understand misplacing ones anger, I have done it in the past plenty of times. Just maybe next time include words twitter and facebook when yelling about fans.

I understand, I will edit and fix the post so it is more clear what I meant and where I was coming from.

NateyB24
12-29-2010, 03:00 AM
I just want to win the game, I don't want my team to lay down and throw a game away for a pick i just see the + is all, But im rooting hard for the team to win. If Schneider is a good GM he will bring his talent expertise that he had learned in GB where they got Clay Mathews 25th overall.

crzyhawk
12-29-2010, 08:55 AM
I just want to win the game, I don't want my team to lay down and throw a game away for a pick i just see the + is all, But im rooting hard for the team to win. If Schneider is a good GM he will bring his talent expertise that he had learned in GB where they got Clay Mathews 25th overall.

I don't want them to roll over, I want them to bust their ***, give their best and come up short. An OT loss would be perfect.

As for the post about the Ravens, that's a totally different scenario. No other division in football is SO BAD that a 7-9 team has a legit chance to win the division. Think about that. If we were 8-8, 9-6 and our losses were close ones, I'd be all for crushing the Rams. Our record isn't a little better and our losses weren't closer though. Going to the playoffs is only going to set us back next year.

This discussion is based completely on evaluating where the Seahawks are today...they've clinched a losing record. Sub .500.

I guess what frustrates me is the number of people who think "You're not a real Seahawks fan because you don't want your team to win" when the truth is, I'm a realist, I know we aren't going to win this year and I'm going to be a fan next year.

I just want the Seahawks to be relevant and play good football next year. I don't want every week to be "Oh god, blown out by 3 TDs...again" like this year.

I live in the DC area and get sympathy from the REDSKINS fans. Think about that. the REDSKINS. Do you know how painful that is? They've lost to the damned LIONS two years in a row, and they offer ME sympathy for my team sucking? losing nine games by a 21 point average is just freaking embarrassing, and I don't want to watch that same kind of football next year (or see it on score updates because Seahawks games aren't actually on out here)

ccg34
12-29-2010, 10:05 AM
I think I would prefer to lose too. I mean lets face it, we aren't good enough to go all the way and neither are the Rams. I will be at the game, should be interesting

I ain't dissing plastikman in particular, but I can't believe some of you guys would prefer to lose. Screw the #8 pick. I want the playoffs. The regular season is played so teams can qualify for the playoffs. We play the whole freakin season and the playoffs are in our grasps. And some of you guys would rather lose? Wow. For those guys saying being 7-9 division champs is embarassing, don't you realize how much more embarassing it would be to lose the division? I don't care who starts at qb, just bring in victory.

ccg34
12-29-2010, 10:07 AM
We got Pete Carrol at the draft he can draft a great player at #8 and he can draft a great player at #32. If we make the playoffs, we should trade down, get an extra 2nd round pick and draft Devlin from Delaware.

Thebudler
12-29-2010, 11:14 AM
Seahawks fans huh? The last week I have seen allot of fans on Facebook and Twitter rooting for the hawks to lose to get a better draft pick. Why dont we just throw the game? Screw that I wanna kick the **** out of the Rams. There are way too many fair weather fans out there.

I know not wining the west will land us a good pick. Winning the west will land us a later pick and could cost us a decent QB in the draft. I dont understand why a fan would root for their team to lose for a better draft spot. It is kinda embarrassing. I hope we kick the Rams ***** and win the West back!! GO HAWKS! 8-9 in the play offs lol wow.....


there thats better XD

Amen Brotha!

If we didn't have a chance to make the playoffs, I would obviously say loose the game, but did you guys see the Vikings beat the Eagles last night? The Vikings with Webb as their QB!! ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN!!!!!!!! True Seahawk fans would never root for their team to loose when they still have a chance to make the playoffs!

Baller1
12-29-2010, 12:59 PM
Well, this is basically the playoffs round 1 for us. If we win this, we're going to the Super Bowl. Watch.

Captain Planet
12-29-2010, 05:35 PM
I ain't dissing plastikman in particular, but I can't believe some of you guys would prefer to lose. Screw the #8 pick. I want the playoffs. The regular season is played so teams can qualify for the playoffs. We play the whole freakin season and the playoffs are in our grasps. And some of you guys would rather lose? Wow. For those guys saying being 7-9 division champs is embarassing, don't you realize how much more embarassing it would be to lose the division? I don't care who starts at qb, just bring in victory.

:clap:

djbaseball21
12-29-2010, 06:03 PM
If you are ok with losing, regardless of the reason, or even prefer it, then it is safe to assume you are part of what is wrong with Seattle sports.

djbaseball21
12-29-2010, 06:07 PM
Oh, and also, one player on a field of 11 can have an impact, but it IS NOT as beneficial as our young players getting playoff experience and having the hunger to get back in the future. I want to own this division. I dont give a **** if we are the first 7-9 team to make it. How does it feel to not make the playoffs over the first 7-9 team to make it? EMBARRASING! Seattle has a losing attitude in baseball right now and therefore Mariners games are not as fun. 65,000 people come to Qwest every game to see the hawks WIN AT HOME. If you prefer a loss, I prefer that you find a new team and dont ever go to a home game.

furmat60
12-29-2010, 06:32 PM
Oh, and also, one player on a field of 11 can have an impact, but it IS NOT as beneficial as our young players getting playoff experience and having the hunger to get back in the future. I want to own this division. I dont give a **** if we are the first 7-9 team to make it. How does it feel to not make the playoffs over the first 7-9 team to make it? EMBARRASING! Seattle has a losing attitude in baseball right now and therefore Mariners games are not as fun. 65,000 people come to Qwest every game to see the hawks WIN AT HOME. If you prefer a loss, I prefer that you find a new team and dont ever go to a home game.

I love you.:clap:

Boozerguy47
12-29-2010, 06:39 PM
Is it just me or has Tru lost his game? Last few games he plays at least 10 yards off the receivers. Does he not understand the concept of jamming (yes I understand if it's third and long playing off the WR is a decent approach)? Plus, I still see him play 5+ yards off when it's third and a couple, then the offense completes a quick throw in front of Tru for a first. Last week he got beat a few times as well...

We need a new number one corner. And you're welcome for that common sense analysis haha

Captain Planet
12-29-2010, 06:40 PM
Oh, and also, one player on a field of 11 can have an impact, but it IS NOT as beneficial as our young players getting playoff experience and having the hunger to get back in the future. I want to own this division. I dont give a **** if we are the first 7-9 team to make it. How does it feel to not make the playoffs over the first 7-9 team to make it? EMBARRASING! Seattle has a losing attitude in baseball right now and therefore Mariners games are not as fun. 65,000 people come to Qwest every game to see the hawks WIN AT HOME. If you prefer a loss, I prefer that you find a new team and dont ever go to a home game.

Just had an eyegasm!!!:clap:

chonbon
12-29-2010, 06:56 PM
hello seattle fans... hope to see you this weekend because im flying up to watch the rams win!!!!

drew_ellis_23
12-29-2010, 07:13 PM
Yep...the only stadium in all the NFL to have a division winning banner @ 7-9. I really don't know if I'd want to see that. Rams do the same thing as last game versus the hawks but only better. 42 - 3

This is why I said I hope we lose. I dont want to be the first 7 and 9 playoff team and get smoked at home. I dont care how loud it is, it wont be pretty. If we were good I would be all about it. We are miles away. Our division is ****, if we were good we would have 10 wins right now at least with the schedule we had. I miss the good old days when we were legit as well and am tired of the losing that we have endured in both baseball and football as of late, but come on. We need the higher pick so we can be legit sooner.

House
12-29-2010, 07:14 PM
Is it just me or has Tru lost his game? Last few games he plays at least 10 yards off the receivers. Does he not understand the concept of jamming (yes I understand if it's third and long playing off the WR is a decent approach)? Plus, I still see him play 5+ yards off when it's third and a couple, then the offense completes a quick throw in front of Tru for a first. Last week he got beat a few times as well...

We need a new number one corner. And you're welcome for that common sense analysis haha

Yes.

I'm willing to trade him for a 4th/5th rd pick at this point. Draft a BIG CB, sign Champ Bailey to teach Thurmond and move on from there.

drew_ellis_23
12-29-2010, 07:24 PM
Do you think the Ravens would say yeah we would want to loose our last game to the Steelers so we can get a better draft pick? Or what about the Cowboys wanting to roll over for the Eagles, Giants or Redskins? This is what is wrong with SOME Seahawks fans! The rams are on the up and will be competitive (with Bradford) for years to come! We need to start a rivalry! Have the Rams wait until they get to get into the playoffs! Be the ones who keep the Rams out of the playoffs! Live in the now, it is one more time we can say we were better than everyone in our division!

The Ravens are a good team and the Cowboys are way better then us, they just needed to fire their coach sooner. We suck. What is wrong with most Seahawk fans is they are in denial. This isnt 2005. We need work and picking towards the back of each round isnt the answer. But oh well, roll the dice and see what happens. I am not saying we should roll over. I hope we bring it, and leave it all out on the field. I am not going to be mad if we win. I will be stoked as hell and excited for a playoff game, and hope for a miracle. But I will still say that I think it is in our best interest for the future that we lose.

drew_ellis_23
12-29-2010, 07:30 PM
If you are ok with losing, regardless of the reason, or even prefer it, then it is safe to assume you are part of what is wrong with Seattle sports.

Nothing wrong with wanting to have a better draft and build it up right and make the playoffs every year. If we do it right this offseason there is no reason why we cant be a 10 to 12 game winner next season. Draft a solid QB, stud lineman, sign a good vetran lineman, bring in Jackson for a WR, bring Matt back another season to groom the new QB if needed, bring in some depth at DL, and improve the DB. Having that early pick helps, but whatever happens happens. I guess it was wrong to say I hope we lose, but more or less to say I am fine with whatever happens. A win means another week or more of Seahawk football, a loss just kick starts the offseason and is a whole nothyer type of excitement.

drew_ellis_23
12-29-2010, 07:32 PM
Yes.

I'm willing to trade him for a 4th/5th rd pick at this point. Draft a BIG CB, sign Champ Bailey to teach Thurmond and move on from there.

Yeah it is time for me to retire my Trufant jersey. He might be able to bounce back if he can stay healthy in the offseason and get his legs back but he has lost a step or two.

FWBrodie
12-29-2010, 07:35 PM
Games like these are what being a fan is all about baby... this is the payoff. I'm so excited.

Also, I'm less worried about losing draft position because I've finally discovered a QB prospect beyond Luck that I really like in Blaine Gabbert of Mizzou thanks to Seahawks Draft Blog and watching the Insight Bowl. I'd be comfortable taking Gabbert at 21st overall.

hawks4life
12-29-2010, 07:38 PM
I don't want to lose but it wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to the Seahawks if we did.

drew_ellis_23
12-29-2010, 07:43 PM
Games like these are what being a fan is all about baby... this is the payoff. I'm so excited.

Also, I'm less worried about losing draft position because I've finally discovered a QB prospect beyond Luck that I really like in Blaine Gabbert of Mizzou thanks to Seahawks Draft Blog and watching the Insight Bowl. I'd be comfortable taking Gabbert at 21st overall.

Yeah I am liking that kid, he looked good. Just think if we could get him in the 2nd round and get a lineman in the 1st round. Main focus needs to be OL, then QB. Seen more good QB's come out in later rounds then early ones. We need to draft the fattest OL we can to plug all the holes in our line LOL

House
12-29-2010, 08:25 PM
Games like these are what being a fan is all about baby... this is the payoff. I'm so excited.

Also, I'm less worried about losing draft position because I've finally discovered a QB prospect beyond Luck that I really like in Blaine Gabbert of Mizzou thanks to Seahawks Draft Blog and watching the Insight Bowl. I'd be comfortable taking Gabbert at 21st overall.

He hasn't declared YET, but I'm assuming he will. I watched the game back today and I was impressed. I have done some reading on him and he's impressive. Good size (he's a BIG guy @ 6'5', 240lbs), great athleticism and decent mechanics. IMO, he's also less of a risk than a Jake Locker.

I know this is Bleacher Report, but this is actually a good read.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/556212-missouri-loses-insight-bowl-did-blaine-gabbert-play-his-last-game-as-a-tiger

Here are 2 scouting reports on him.
http://football.about.com/od/Quarterback/p/Blaine-Gabbert.htm
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2705


Yeah I am liking that kid, he looked good. Just think if we could get him in the 2nd round and get a lineman in the 1st round. Main focus needs to be OL, then QB. Seen more good QB's come out in later rounds then early ones. We need to draft the fattest OL we can to plug all the holes in our line LOL

Either way, QB/OL or OL/QB, they need to be our 1st 2 picks...

Check this BIG BOY out...

Marcus Cannon out of TCU. He's 6'6", 350lbs
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2527
http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/cannon_marcus00.html

furmat60
12-30-2010, 04:10 AM
I LOVE how you mentioned Marcus Cannon. He is UNGODLY. We could get him in the 3rd round and it would be a STEAL.

House
12-30-2010, 04:28 AM
I LOVE how you mentioned Marcus Cannon. He is UNGODLY. We could get him in the 3rd round and it would be a STEAL.

We don't have a 3rd... Unless we trade into one. Cannon should go in the 2nd. We need to snag a CB early as well

furmat60
12-30-2010, 04:32 AM
We don't have a 3rd... Unless we trade into one. Cannon should go in the 2nd. We need to snag a CB early as well

Couldn't we get one for Burleson? If not, we'd have to take him in the 2nd. I agree, we need a CB early, but we should be able to get Burton in the 4th. I can see him dropping down that far.

House
12-30-2010, 10:35 AM
Couldn't we get one for Burleson? If not, we'd have to take him in the 2nd. I agree, we need a CB early, but we should be able to get Burton in the 4th. I can see him dropping down that far.

Burleson will be a 3rd/4th. I just don't want to bank on it yet...

Thebudler
12-30-2010, 11:37 AM
You guys really want a 350lb tackle? In the zone blocking scheme smaller/quicker tackles are a better fit.

House
12-30-2010, 11:45 AM
You guys really want a 350lb tackle? In the zone blocking scheme smaller/quicker tackles are a better fit.

No... Personally I want NATE SOLDER.

Someone asked about a BIG FAT OL to fill all our holes and I mentioned Cannon. Our zone blocking scheme isn't exactly a ZBS. Maybe that's the problem were running into. Don't we run a modified one?

Thebudler
12-30-2010, 05:39 PM
I know when Alex Gibbs was here he ran a strict ZBS. I'm sure they didn't go far away from it. The tackles they have signed/ traded for, fit the mold of more athletic and no real beefy guys.

shen
12-30-2010, 05:51 PM
When the season started they kept the ZBS however was a thing where they talked about they have made some kind of hybrid system rather then go completely away from it.

House
12-30-2010, 06:02 PM
When the season started they kept the ZBS however was a thing where they talked about they have made some kind of hybrid system rather then go completely away from it.

That's what I thought happened. Andrews isn't a TYPICAL ZBS G, but he's jamming holes open. If we had a RT that could help out, that'd be great!

Captain Planet
12-30-2010, 06:19 PM
Good article about Seahawks fans wanting us to lose to the Rams.

http://seattle.sbnation.com/seattle-seahawks/2010/12/30/1904543/seattle-seahawks-fans-st-louis-rams-nfl-playoff-picture


Seattle Seahawks Fans Want A Loss Against The Rams On Sunday
by Brian Floyd Dec 30, 2010 11:43 AM PST

I'm ashamed of my city and its fans. I can understand the Fox poll right after Sunday's loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I get being frustrated with the loss, not caring about the season anymore and pessimism about the Seahawks chances against the Rams. The Seattle Times ran a similar poll, albeit after fans had some time to cool down, and fans still outright admitted they were rooting against the Seahawks. Come on.

For as much praise as Qwest Field and the 12th man have received over the year, this is embarrassing. You want to root against our team, at our stadium, in a game that serves as a one-game playoff for the division? You want to watch the Rams celebrate in our house? For what? A draft pick?



How long has it been since the Seahawks have made the playoffs? It's been three years. After being spoiled with great teams in the mid-2000s, the Seahawks have fallen into a funk. Even as the NFC West toils in mediocrity, the Seahawks have still been unable to break back into the playoffs. They have that chance on Sunday, even with a losing record assured.

If they lose, so be it. But don't actively root against the home team. Given the uncertainty of the draft, and who will declare, I'll take the playoffs any day, even if it means taking a draft pick some 10 spots lower. I can't stomach watching the Rams, a laughing-stock of the division coming into 2010, celebrate a playoff berth.

And I can't stomach fans that are content to root against the Seahawks, no matter how bad it may look to have a 7-9 team in the playoffs. It's our 7-9 team, root for it.

Baller1
12-30-2010, 07:27 PM
I'm ashamed with anyone wanting a loss as well. Yeah, we're not a very good team; yeah, a higher draft pick is always better; yeah, we aren't very deserving of a playoff spot. However, we're in a position to WIN the division and go to the playoffs, a place we haven't been in a few years.

I can't believe some of you would rather lose then go to the playoffs where anything can happen, especially at Qwest field.

Magic12ball
12-30-2010, 07:29 PM
Mehh on Gabbert. You know who he reminds me of? Charlie Whitehurst. All the physical tools you could ask for, but **** for awareness and decision making. IIRC, he doesn't even call audibles. His center does.

Not saying that he is a terrible pick, just saying that this guy will not be successful unless he can sit behind a veteran QB for 2-3 years.

House
12-30-2010, 07:35 PM
Good article about Seahawks fans wanting us to lose to the Rams.

http://seattle.sbnation.com/seattle-seahawks/2010/12/30/1904543/seattle-seahawks-fans-st-louis-rams-nfl-playoff-picture


Seattle Seahawks Fans Want A Loss Against The Rams On Sunday
by Brian Floyd • Dec 30, 2010 11:43 AM PST

I'm ashamed of my city and its fans. I can understand the Fox poll right after Sunday's loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I get being frustrated with the loss, not caring about the season anymore and pessimism about the Seahawks chances against the Rams. The Seattle Times ran a similar poll, albeit after fans had some time to cool down, and fans still outright admitted they were rooting against the Seahawks. Come on.

For as much praise as Qwest Field and the 12th man have received over the year, this is embarrassing. You want to root against our team, at our stadium, in a game that serves as a one-game playoff for the division? You want to watch the Rams celebrate in our house? For what? A draft pick?



How long has it been since the Seahawks have made the playoffs? It's been three years. After being spoiled with great teams in the mid-2000s, the Seahawks have fallen into a funk. Even as the NFC West toils in mediocrity, the Seahawks have still been unable to break back into the playoffs. They have that chance on Sunday, even with a losing record assured.

If they lose, so be it. But don't actively root against the home team. Given the uncertainty of the draft, and who will declare, I'll take the playoffs any day, even if it means taking a draft pick some 10 spots lower. I can't stomach watching the Rams, a laughing-stock of the division coming into 2010, celebrate a playoff berth.

And I can't stomach fans that are content to root against the Seahawks, no matter how bad it may look to have a 7-9 team in the playoffs. It's our 7-9 team, root for it.

That is ****ed up! I'm not rooting for us to lose on Sunday, but I can see the benefit of a higher draft pick in defeat. If we win, great, I hope we don't get embarrassed in the playoffs. If we lose, so be it. Let's take the best steps to prepare our team to be better next season.

I'd never hope for us to lose, but I wouldn't commit suicide in defeat either.

furmat60
12-30-2010, 11:28 PM
I'm feeling the same as you House. With that said, I completely agree with that article %100.

Magic12ball
12-31-2010, 03:27 PM
Great article on being a 7-9 playoff team:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aqcx9aemxbrY3P1ltRFVhYpDubYF?slug=ms-fridayofferings123110

Nice to see at least some people aren't mindlessly bashing us, and they make great points too. At 8-8, the Chargers won a game vs the 12-4 Colts. At 9-7, the Cardinals were a great catch away from being World Champions.

The right attitude is to scream your lungs out, like you do at every home game, and if we happen to lose, well, great, we get good draft position. Don't think too far into it, its your team, cheer for it.

House
12-31-2010, 06:55 PM
Matt took snaps today. This is ********!!! Let Matt go out with a bang, right?

Here comes that high draft pick...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/31/hasselbeck-takes-snaps-at-practice-friday-may-start/

Magic12ball
12-31-2010, 07:06 PM
Matt took snaps today. This is ********!!! Let Matt go out with a bang, right?

Here comes that high draft pick...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/31/hasselbeck-takes-snaps-at-practice-friday-may-start/

Do you really believe that Whitehurst or Losman gives us a better chance to win than Matt Hasselbeck? I know you are a CBJ fan: but my question is what have you seen/what do you believe makes him worth another start immediately after that debacle at TB?

House
12-31-2010, 07:17 PM
Do you really believe that Whitehurst or Losman gives us a better chance to win than Matt Hasselbeck? I know you are a CBJ fan: but my question is what have you seen/what do you believe makes him worth another start immediately after that debacle at TB?

I think Matt will choke. Like always.

It would've been a good game to gauge Charlie. His past experiences haven't been good assessments.

1. He started vs the Giants. We would've lost that game no matter who QB'd.
2. He didn't find a rhythm vs the Bucs. Not an excuse, but Matt has had those games as well.
3. He took 1st team reps all week and has been ready to go...
4. I get that this could be Matt's last game at Qwest. He's going to force the issue.

This game would've been perfect to play Charlie. He's had all the reps in practice, he no longer has the nerves of his 1st start and he knows this game could make/break his chances with the team in the future.

Boozerguy47
12-31-2010, 07:19 PM
Eh, I'd still rather see Matt. He has been there under the gun. Our offense moved the ball in Tampa with Matt in there. I'd be excited to watch Charlie, but Matt still is the better option if you're playing to win.

Captain Planet
12-31-2010, 07:25 PM
Matt is done as a Seahawk. I am gonna miss his glory days here. Man he was fun to watch!

House
12-31-2010, 07:32 PM
Eh, I'd still rather see Matt. He has been there under the gun. Our offense moved the ball in Tampa with Matt in there. I'd be excited to watch Charlie, but Matt still is the better option if you're playing to win.

I get that Matt has been there. He's done great things for our team, just not lately.

Maybe my view is a little skewed, but if Matt rushed himself back for this game and we happen to win (either Charlie finishes out or whatever) and then Matt re-injures himself, we're done vs the Saints... If Charlie plays well this game, that would give him the confidence for the following week.

I'm trying to be optimistic, while still being realistic. Last we saw of Matt at Qwest was him on the sidelines and Qwest cheering Charlie. I know he'd like to go out on a HIGH, but if the injured Matt blows this game for us, OT doesn't look good for the FO.

FWBrodie
12-31-2010, 07:43 PM
I think the Rams are the better team regardless, but I wanna see Charlie play.

shen
12-31-2010, 07:43 PM
How many drives was Matt out there against TB? How many passing plays occurred while he was in?

He doesn't move the ball, other people try to compensate for his incompetence. Anytime a drive starts to get going he turns the ball over. Matt does not give us the best chance to win at this point. His body is to worn down from the year and he was not a good QB last couple years to begin with.

Charlie actually seems to be getting the others excited and they seem to want him. He isn't just going through the motions like Matt is. Would rather have 3 and out then punt over a first down then int or fumble. At least with continued punting we stand chance of getting decent field position if D can hold.

Magic12ball
12-31-2010, 08:54 PM
In response to people who want Charlie:

The Buc's game can't be ignored as evidence of Whitehurst's abilities. Maybe he didn't get into a rhythm against TB, but he missed easy throws. The O-line didn't play well, but they didn't really blow it either. Same thing against the Giants. He had more time than Hasselbeck usually gets, and he couldn't do anything. Are our WR's that bad? I don't think so.

Hasselbeck gives us a chance to win. Midway through this season, Hasselbeck had a couple of 300+ yardage games. I would take a chance that we get THAT Hasselbeck instead of starting Whitehurst: as I feel our offense just doesn't move with him. Turnovers are bad, yes, but not as bad as repeated three and outs. Thats my opinion though. I would rather see an offense get some yardage and turn the ball over than just stall for 3 straight quarters.

NateyB24
12-31-2010, 09:36 PM
Matt trying to hard hes going to retweak his injury imo.

drew_ellis_23
12-31-2010, 09:54 PM
That is ****ed up! I'm not rooting for us to lose on Sunday, but I can see the benefit of a higher draft pick in defeat. If we win, great, I hope we don't get embarrassed in the playoffs. If we lose, so be it. Let's take the best steps to prepare our team to be better next season.

I'd never hope for us to lose, but I wouldn't commit suicide in defeat either.


Same here. I wont be rooting for the Rams by any means. Go Seahawks. Show up and win it. We are better then half the teams we have lost to the last 4 weeks, and we are better then the Rams. We are capable. Just need to show up.

drew_ellis_23
12-31-2010, 09:58 PM
I hope Charlie gets the start. Could give us a advantage as nobody has seen enough of him to study him. Gives us a chance to draw up some new plays since he has had a week to get familiar with the starters. I think this will be a good game to see what he can do.

shen
12-31-2010, 10:41 PM
Yes Matt has had 5 good starter worthy games the last 3 years. However he has had FAR MORE games where he should have been ashamed to call himself a football player. This year he had two games in which he managed to get good yardage and not turn the ball over. However he in those two games he got two TD's and in five separate games he has had at least 2 int's. He does not give us any chance to win. Those two good games came in weeks 10 and 11 which were about four injuries ago and over a month and a half. He could have the rams just walk around on field and still would suck.

If you compare Matt's season, just this year and it's decline against Charlie's gaining confidence, Matt does not even come close. Matt is done, no one is going to take a chance on him in FA because they know Kitna is a better investment. An uninjured Charlie working all week with first teem offense in practice gives a far superior chance of winning then banged up Matt could dream of.

ccg34
12-31-2010, 10:45 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks
All the "experts" on ESPN have us losing. Its us against the world. I hope we smash the Rams on national TV.

shen
12-31-2010, 10:50 PM
For what it is worth Skip Bayless said Seahawks get the W. I never know how to feel about him, one minute agree completely and next I am cursing at the tv.

FWBrodie
12-31-2010, 11:03 PM
For what it is worth Skip Bayless said Seahawks get the W. I never know how to feel about him, one minute agree completely and next I am cursing at the tv.

He's just one of those guys who hates the expected and will whore his opinion out to whatever it is that happens to oppose popular opinion at the moment.

shen
12-31-2010, 11:13 PM
For the record he is usually right except for on things pertaining to people he likes. Don't think he has ever correctly predicted anything about Favre other then he was coming back this year. I think part issue is how he goes about saying what he has to say. He never seems to have middle ground, just flails his arms around yelling about this or that. Tends to get people riled up which I guess is part of why he is at ESPN.

House
01-01-2011, 01:22 AM
Damn... I wish it was Sunday already! I can't wait to see this game. It will help determine our future!

NateyB24
01-01-2011, 02:11 AM
Rod Woodson picked us i thought he would have went with the Rams like the other guys did.

bruser23
01-01-2011, 05:39 AM
I'm moving to Vancouver today, any one got a know the best sports bar(s) around the Vancouver/Portland area?

Boozerguy47
01-01-2011, 07:47 AM
Boomer picked the Seahawks too. 25-22...

drew_ellis_23
01-01-2011, 09:33 AM
I'm moving to Vancouver today, any one got a know the best sports bar(s) around the Vancouver/Portland area?

What part of Vancouver? I know a couple good ones.

bruser23
01-01-2011, 11:11 AM
What part of Vancouver? I know a couple good ones.

Tentatively, Orchards area.

plastikman
01-01-2011, 12:30 PM
So do you think you guys are going full rebuild mode then? I mean what direction do you think the Seahawks are heading?

Going into rebuild mode ? Are you serious ? We ARE in rebuild mode and have been all year. You don't make that many moves and change the whole look of the team without calling it that. The only reason we are in it at all is because the NFC West is horrible this year. Winning the division at 7-9 would be a joke and the worst trivia Question ever.

Knuckles
01-01-2011, 02:26 PM
Going into rebuild mode ? Are you serious ? We ARE in rebuild mode and have been all year. You don't make that many moves and change the whole look of the team without calling it that. The only reason we are in it at all is because the NFC West is horrible this year. Winning the division at 7-9 would be a joke and the worst trivia Question ever.

With guys like Hasselbeck, Milloy, and Trufant still on your roster, I wouldn't exactly call it full rebuild mode. But w/e, it's your opinion. You're not exactly the youngest team in the league.

shen
01-01-2011, 04:37 PM
Milloy and Matt have been kept for leadership/teaching value. We are in full rebuild, just because did not dump everyone over 25 and hope for the best does not mean anything.

NateyB24
01-01-2011, 06:10 PM
With guys like Hasselbeck, Milloy, and Trufant still on your roster, I wouldn't exactly call it full rebuild mode. But w/e, it's your opinion. You're not exactly the youngest team in the league.

Thats 3 old guys and there stop gaps pretty much. (Don't know what they view Hasselbeck as he has been pretty bad most likely will be replaced through the draft.) We can't just get rid of Trufant with Jennings contract up that would leave us thin at CB....Milloy was actually having a pretty good year also for being 37.

furmat60
01-01-2011, 06:29 PM
I hate Skip Bayless. He does make for good television though.

Anyways, GO HAWKS!

FWBrodie
01-01-2011, 09:23 PM
Boomer picked the Seahawks too. 25-22...

Esiason or like Chris Berman's nickname?

Berman has always been a closet Hawks fan.

FWBrodie
01-01-2011, 09:29 PM
With guys like Hasselbeck, Milloy, and Trufant still on your roster, I wouldn't exactly call it full rebuild mode. But w/e, it's your opinion. You're not exactly the youngest team in the league.

32 of the 53 Seahawks were not with the team last year. That's like the most extreme version of a rebuild possible.

FWBrodie
01-01-2011, 09:35 PM
I'm starting to get so pumped for this game. I'm fully prepared to embrace whichever quarterback starts to fullest extent of my fanhood. Pete Carroll obviously likes the spotlight, well it's on baby, primetime. I expect to see him and the whole team completely jacked up for this game. The stars of the season will need to all show up tomorrow night: Leon, Okung, Earl, Clemons, Mike Williams. Let's go!

furmat60
01-01-2011, 10:01 PM
i'm starting to get so pumped for this game. I'm fully prepared to embrace whichever quarterback starts to fullest extent of my fanhood. Pete carroll obviously likes the spotlight, well it's on baby, primetime. I expect to see him and the whole team completely jacked up for this game. The stars of the season will need to all show up tomorrow night: Leon, okung, earl, clemons, mike williams. Let's go!

yeah baby!!! Go hawks!!!!

shen
01-01-2011, 10:19 PM
Game has three things going for it. First if we win we get division, so that's a win. Second if we lose we get good pick and get to see Rams get embarrassed in playoffs, so that's a win. Third I actually get to watch it (without using internet), which has me grinning from ear to ear.

LET'S GO SEAHAWKS!

Seattle4Ever
01-02-2011, 12:37 AM
Game has three things going for it. First if we win we get division, so that's a win. Second if we lose we get good pick and get to see Rams get embarrassed in playoffs, so that's a win. Third I actually get to watch it (without using internet), which has me grinning from ear to ear.

LET'S GO SEAHAWKS!


:clap:

chonbon
01-02-2011, 12:52 AM
im so excited for this... as much as i hate the seahawks, im just glad that we have exciting game at the end of the year

furmat60
01-02-2011, 01:17 AM
im so excited for this... as much as i hate the RAMS, im just glad that we have exciting game at the end of the year

Agreed :D

chonbon
01-02-2011, 04:54 AM
^ ooooo ... i see what you did there :p

furmat60
01-02-2011, 05:38 AM
^ ooooo ... i see what you did there :p

Oh, that's good. I didn't think Rams fans were that smart :p

Baller1
01-02-2011, 05:57 AM
Can't ****ing wait. Beer and playoff football... Yes sir!

djbaseball21
01-02-2011, 06:59 AM
With guys like Hasselbeck, Milloy, and Trufant still on your roster, I wouldn't exactly call it full rebuild mode. But w/e, it's your opinion. You're not exactly the youngest team in the league.

You are totally right. I forgot that you cannot be in rebuild mode if you have a few veterans on your team...You do know over half of our team from last year has been replaced, right? If that isn't rebuild mode, I would like to know what your definition of it is...

Boozerguy47
01-02-2011, 08:48 AM
Can't wait for the game and pizza! It's gonna be gooood.

chonbon
01-02-2011, 02:33 PM
boys... i do mean this in the nicest way, but if you just forfeit now i wouldnt be upset... :P

furmat60
01-02-2011, 03:11 PM
boys... i do mean this in the nicest way, but if you just forfeit now i wouldnt be upset... :P

Because you guys are SCARED to come up to QWEST FIELD! GO HAWKS!

ccg34
01-02-2011, 03:14 PM
boys... i do mean this in the nicest way, but if you just forfeit now i wouldnt be upset... :P

That would be the only way you guys could win.:nod:

chonbon
01-02-2011, 03:24 PM
Because you guys are SCARED to come up to QWEST FIELD! GO HAWKS!

damnit... not a chance... i actually had tickets to the game and the airlines f'd my ticket up... im pissed because the only other ticket was 2g's... o well, i know sam is gonna have a big day against your secondary...

MattColby
01-02-2011, 03:24 PM
Go HAWKS!! Playoffs here we come!!!!!!!

furmat60
01-02-2011, 04:22 PM
damnit... not a chance... i actually had tickets to the game and the airlines f'd my ticket up... im pissed because the only other ticket was 2g's... o well, i know sam is gonna have a big day against your secondary...

Sucks really bad they messed up your ticket. I wouldn't pay 2 grand to go. Either way, you wouldn't want to fly all the way there to watch your team fall just short of making the playoffs would you? :p

Knuckles
01-02-2011, 04:39 PM
I guess to me rebuilding means let past their prime guys like that go and replace them with younger guys who have a high ceiling or playing the younger guys that are sitting on the bench behind them. Kinda line we dud with Holt, Pace, Tinoisamoa, Witherspoon, etc. The fact that Hasselbeck is still starting tells me you are not truly rebuilding. Just turning over the roster and replacing vets with vets is nit my definition of rebuilding. Que sera sera.

House
01-02-2011, 04:56 PM
I guess to me rebuilding means let past their prime guys like that go and replace them with younger guys who have a high ceiling or playing the younger guys that are sitting on the bench behind them. Kinda line we dud with Holt, Pace, Tinoisamoa, Witherspoon, etc. The fact that Hasselbeck is still starting tells me you are not truly rebuilding. Just turning over the roster and replacing vets with vets is nit my definition of rebuilding. Que sera sera.

We got stuck holding on to our QB. We are rebuilding...

chonbon
01-02-2011, 05:00 PM
Sucks really bad they messed up your ticket. I wouldn't pay 2 grand to go. Either way, you wouldn't want to fly all the way there to watch your team fall just short of making the playoffs would you? :p

dude i had tics 10 rows up in the endzone... im still pissed, and it would have been awesome to be there and watch us win :P

shen
01-02-2011, 05:49 PM
When teams rebuild they keep a few vets around to help mentor young guys. This is a rebuild and you are the only person that watches football that thinks otherwise. Just because we didn't replace every position with a rookie or second year player does not mean it is not a rebuild.

You guys have been rebuilding last couple years and only just got rid of Bulger and others this last off season. From your definition the Eagles are rebuilding, yet they are actually reloading. having your teams age plummet does not necessarily mean you are rebuilding. However completely remaking your team is rebuilding which is what we have done. Look at the Bucs, they still have players like Barber who is old as heck yet they have been rebuilding.

FWBrodie
01-02-2011, 06:18 PM
im so excited for this... as much as i hate the seahawks, im just glad that we have exciting game at the end of the year

True that dude. I'm also happy that the 49ers and Cardinals don't.

House
01-02-2011, 09:05 PM
Hasselbeck's **** ends tonight!!! I wonder if they got him a cake waiting in the locker room...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/02/matt-hasselbeck-active-for-seahawks/

chonbon
01-02-2011, 09:09 PM
i hope hasselbeck plays... because he wont be able to run away from hall and long

shen
01-02-2011, 09:23 PM
LETS GO HAWKS!!!!!

(we better at least equal posts during game)

chonbon
01-02-2011, 09:25 PM
good luck to you guys, no injuries... whoever wins lets beat the saints

Captain Planet
01-02-2011, 09:27 PM
Go time baby "currys crew" its time to carve up a wild ram!!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:28 PM
I was depressed when Dungy and company said does not matter who wins this game as Saints will win the wild card match up. Then again Jets were given no chance last year to make it to AFC championship. Saints where not given a chance to beat the Colts. Granted both those teams are actually very good. Will just have to wait and see.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:31 PM
Go SEAHAWKS!!! Lets go Charlie!!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:32 PM
Not a good start, never want opening "play" to be wiped out by penalty.

shen
01-02-2011, 09:32 PM
Nice first pass, short, good gain, get blood pumping.

shen
01-02-2011, 09:33 PM
Whitehurst!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Captain Planet
01-02-2011, 09:33 PM
Hass would have overthrown Martin there...well done Cholly!!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:34 PM
Matt would have been sacked, Charlie avoided D long enough to let it develop.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:34 PM
Matt who baby!!!

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:35 PM
run it to Lynch now. Get the six baby

shen
01-02-2011, 09:35 PM
Holding on the D!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:36 PM
Whitehurst TD to Williams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:37 PM
What happened to Charlie not able to move the offense?

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:37 PM
TD Mike Williams!!! How many times you see that this year? LOL. Charlie getting a week to prepare with the starters makes him look like a different QB eh?

shen
01-02-2011, 09:38 PM
Williams second TD of the year.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:38 PM
What happened to Charlie not able to move the offense?

He got to work with the starters all week! We can use the 21st overall pick we are going to get on a CB or OL. Go Charlie

Captain Planet
01-02-2011, 09:39 PM
Hawks are looking sharp!!!

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:40 PM
Williams second TD of the year.

Yeah Matt got him 1 all season LOL. I think he will get 3 today :)

shen
01-02-2011, 09:40 PM
I want an Earl Thomas pick six, is that being to greedy?

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:40 PM
Lets see what the D can do now. We need to bring the pressure.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:40 PM
I want an Earl Thomas pick six, is that being to greedy?

Greedy? Hell no!!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:41 PM
3rd down, lets hold um.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:41 PM
3 and out!!!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:41 PM
Thats how you stop the run!

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:42 PM
Man wish I was at the game! Got my surround sound cranked though so it is pretty loud.

shen
01-02-2011, 09:42 PM
**** that was close.

House
01-02-2011, 09:43 PM
Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE...

shen
01-02-2011, 09:43 PM
lol, live in a duplex with like 3 kids next door on school night, no surround sound for me:(

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:44 PM
lol, live in a duplex with like 3 kids next door on school night, no surround sound for me:(

Yeah my neighbors got theres going too.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:45 PM
Wind must have got that pass and blew it down LOL.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:45 PM
Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE... Let's go CHARLIE...

:clap:

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:46 PM
Collinsworth can shut up.

shen
01-02-2011, 09:47 PM
It looked like TE went farther down then was suppose to. At least from how it looked when they swung the camera over.

shen
01-02-2011, 09:48 PM
Collinsworth is why I mute tv when play Madden. Such an idiot, uncle and I can't stand it when he is one of the commentators.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:48 PM
I am liking the play calling.

House
01-02-2011, 09:48 PM
Move the ****ing chains!!!

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:49 PM
2 headed monster baby!!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:49 PM
Lynch for 11 yards!

House
01-02-2011, 09:49 PM
Charlie is keeping things going!

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:50 PM
Throw a deep route here to Williams. They are starting to stack the line

shen
01-02-2011, 09:50 PM
That run was ill-advised. Rams have been getting through the line to quickly to do a pitch to the left.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:51 PM
Ah led him a little too much there. Good idea though

shen
01-02-2011, 09:51 PM
Forsett should have taken off sooner and Charlie wait another half second and that could have become something.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:53 PM
Alright, lets go D. 3 and out again.

House
01-02-2011, 09:53 PM
Charlie's confident... He knows that wasn't the best throw.

Amazing what a week of 1st team reps and confidence of your upper management can do for somebody!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:54 PM
Charlie: 7/9 99 yards 1TD 0TO. Good first two drives for him.

shen
01-02-2011, 09:55 PM
3rd and 7

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:56 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shen
01-02-2011, 09:56 PM
4th down!

House
01-02-2011, 09:56 PM
We're getting the ball back!!!

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:56 PM
Charlie's confident... He knows that wasn't the best throw.

Amazing what a week of 1st team reps and confidence of your upper management can do for somebody!

:clap:

House
01-02-2011, 09:57 PM
WTF Leon???

shen
01-02-2011, 09:58 PM
Not his fault. The Rams got to him same time as the ball.

Captain Planet
01-02-2011, 09:58 PM
Holy **** it is loud here at quest its so loud I cant think of what to type on my droid 2!!

chonbon
01-02-2011, 09:58 PM
pat shurmur = you guys beating us... congrats on playing well so far

House
01-02-2011, 09:59 PM
Not his fault. The Rams got to him same time as the ball.

That guy closed in ****ing FAST!!!

Captain Planet
01-02-2011, 09:59 PM
If Charlie plays a great game,...I will accept the fact I will be proved wrong XD

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 09:59 PM
nice run kid

House
01-02-2011, 09:59 PM
Could Matt run like that? Ever?

shen
01-02-2011, 09:59 PM
Even though he got 8 yards I did not like that. Looked like after he looked at rb he decided to run. Then again if that was design then good job.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:01 PM
Damn, Lynch has been gotten behind line three times now. Not good and hard to win if keeps happening.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 10:01 PM
come on throw the ball on 2nd and short

shen
01-02-2011, 10:01 PM
Hawks trying to force the run and hoped would get Rams with pants down.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:02 PM
Shite that's how ya play D!

shen
01-02-2011, 10:03 PM
Two tips and multiple tackles behind the line, D is going good so far, now if can get ball back and put up points. Give them a breather.

House
01-02-2011, 10:03 PM
DEF is pumped... That's the 3rd batted ball

House
01-02-2011, 10:03 PM
-9 yards on that possession!!!

shen
01-02-2011, 10:03 PM
Heck, was that tipped or intentional grounding?

shen
01-02-2011, 10:05 PM
Like when Ref says sorry and corrects call while still in game:)

shen
01-02-2011, 10:05 PM
Dude that should be an ejection, he through a punch.

House
01-02-2011, 10:06 PM
Nice penalty

shen
01-02-2011, 10:06 PM
4 times this game Lynch is tackled behind the line. Go back to the pass because trying to force the run is not working.

House
01-02-2011, 10:06 PM
Like when Ref says sorry and corrects call while still in game:)

He didn't want to get shot by a SNIPER!!! LOL

shen
01-02-2011, 10:07 PM
Damn, Rams are just shredding our o-line. Lynch can't get back to line, Charlie can't get time to set for pass.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:08 PM
HELL YEAH, Rams start on the 3!

House
01-02-2011, 10:08 PM
Nice ****ing PUNT!!!

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 10:10 PM
we need to step away from the run game for a bit in my opinion

shen
01-02-2011, 10:10 PM
3 more quarters like that but with little better run and we win.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:10 PM
Yeah, like it how when Lynch and company do good we stop running but when they can't even get to the line we suddenly hand it off constantly.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:11 PM
Damn, near safety, if only if only.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:12 PM
uh oh, can't let Jackson get going otherwise gonna be a long game. Especially since we wont get the ball half the quarter.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:14 PM
Seeing a lot of near sacks, if only could start getting the sack.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:16 PM
Jackson so far has just highlighted how much we would benefit from having big Albert from Redskins.

House
01-02-2011, 10:16 PM
We need to hold them to a FG attempt here

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 10:17 PM
Field is getting shorter, we will hold them to 3 here, then we need to get the ball rollin again.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:18 PM
Good coverage on second down.

House
01-02-2011, 10:18 PM
Close call on that catch

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 10:19 PM
Alright, now Charlie stop handing it off!!

shen
01-02-2011, 10:20 PM
Decent job in red zone, now lets get back to passing the ball on offense. Need more of those short passes to Washington and Forsett. They got it and then got another couple yards each time. Use that to open up longer passes since no one is coming up to stop the run.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:22 PM
Decent spot to start from, lets respond to the Rams fg with 7 points.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:23 PM
Charlie is 8/11 for 105 yards and only two really bad passes. Need to let him keep passing it, running is moving the ball backwards. Heck Charlie has more yards running then rest team combined.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:24 PM
See, lets get a couple more of those going, like to see something in the middle of the field.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:25 PM
I think should be 1st down, lets see what they say.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:25 PM
I would have preferred Williams on that play.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:26 PM
Good job by Whitehurst to avoid pressure and wait till needed to before running for good gain.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:26 PM
Lynch just can't get to the line, what the heck.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:27 PM
Damn, another half second and that is a completion.

drew_ellis_23
01-02-2011, 10:28 PM
Play calling has gotten awful conservative.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:28 PM
on 8 attempts our runners have 3 total yards. On two attempts Charlie has 16 yards. Our run game is just pathetic.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:31 PM
Finally stopped Jackson, lets keep um from converting.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:32 PM
Our D needs a little bit of a rest as not thrilled with number of plays they out there given Jackson ramming the line.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:32 PM
time of possession is almost the same and same for # of plays.

shen
01-02-2011, 10:36 PM
Charlie just has no time to find targets before getting hands on him.