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BlondeBomber41
12-21-2010, 12:44 AM
I have heard all season about how much better the HEAT would become when Mike Miller returned... I never really got this thought process.

This isn't the Memphis Grizzlies Mike Miller.... he has averaged 10.9, 9.0 and 8.3 PPG the last three seasons, on awful teams. Usually thats when you put up your best numbers.

So the simple question here is, why does everyone seem to think Miller is just gonna all of a sudden become the 6th Man of the Year again for the Heat? Is it all just reputation at this point?

Duncan = Donkey
12-21-2010, 12:46 AM
He is just going to be another shooter out there for them with bad defense

He's also a good rebounder and good passer, so he is going to help them

D Roses Bulls
12-21-2010, 12:48 AM
Mike Miller will be another shooter, but that's about it.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-21-2010, 12:48 AM
Heat role players do get a lot of wide open shots from their big 3. So he'll probably bring in about 12 PPG from all the shots he will get open. Not great but he's another scorer who can knock down the 3.

Cano4prez
12-21-2010, 12:53 AM
Had the second highest 3pt% last year, can rebound and pass well. Trys hard on defense an upgrade over Jones and gives us more depth

VinSUNity
12-21-2010, 12:55 AM
Because hes a really good role player. He's just what they need.

shep33
12-21-2010, 12:55 AM
He's better than Jones. Mike Miller is a good player... but as a Laker fan I'm glad we didn't get him for the full MLE.

Storch
12-21-2010, 12:58 AM
They have to find hope/excuse somewhere, and I guess mike miller is it.

tdunk21
12-21-2010, 01:02 AM
he is somewhat better than rest of the big 3 in heat....and he can catch and shoot.....

godolphins
12-21-2010, 01:04 AM
3 point specialist

He got to get that rust off

Wouldn't this be better suited for the Heat forum?

Bulls_fan90
12-21-2010, 01:05 AM
I don't think anyone but the massive Heat homers think he'll have a big impact. He's a solid bench player, nothing more.

tdunk21
12-21-2010, 01:06 AM
3 point specialist

He got to get that rust off

Wouldn't this be better suited for the Heat forum?

who is that in ur sig pic?

tr3ymill3r
12-21-2010, 01:18 AM
Mike Miller will be another shooter, but that's about it.

Corey did cheat on Topanga though.

drobe86
12-21-2010, 01:27 AM
Heat fans are crazy thinking this guys gonna be some great player. Sure he can knock down the three, but he's not a factor. If they're hinging there bets on him, they're in serious trouble lol....

godolphins
12-21-2010, 01:29 AM
who is that in ur sig pic?
Lilly Robbins

ChiSox219
12-21-2010, 01:29 AM
If he posts a .700TS% he'll be a very valuable.

blueplanet
12-21-2010, 01:44 AM
Had the second highest 3pt% last year, can rebound and pass well. Trys hard on defense an upgrade over Jones and gives us more depth

THIS. Close thread. Every time Heat loses there will be plenty of STUPID threads (I have been reading this forum for a while now). I don't get it. Does this deserve a thread? Obviously any fan will trust on his players. what's wrong with that? MODs have been unbelievably very loyal to these heat hate threads.

drobe86
12-21-2010, 01:58 AM
THIS. Close thread. Every time Heat loses there will be plenty of STUPID threads (I have been reading this forum for a while now). I don't get it. Does this deserve a thread? Obviously any fan will trust on his players. what's wrong with that? MODs have been unbelievably very loyal to these heat hate threads.


Nobodys hating on the heat.. Dude you tell me what's special about the heat? Tell me they're record against the top 3 teams in the NBA... Thats right 0-5 (Mavs, Spurs, Celtics) and soon to be 0-6 to the Lakers. For the record I hope the Heat win that game but I wouldn't bet on it. 3 superstars and 9 bums won't get it done, and I've been saying that since the July 8th.

beasted86
12-21-2010, 01:59 AM
I have heard all season about how much better the HEAT would become when Mike Miller returned... I never really got this thought process.

This isn't the Memphis Grizzlies Mike Miller.... he has averaged 10.9, 9.0 and 8.3 PPG the last three seasons, on awful teams. Usually thats when you put up your best numbers.

So the simple question here is, why does everyone seem to think Miller is just gonna all of a sudden become the 6th Man of the Year again for the Heat? Is it all just reputation at this point?

Maybe it's because Miami is ranked 29th out of 30 teams in bench points scored per game? :facepalm:

/thread.

godolphins
12-21-2010, 02:01 AM
Nobodys hating on the heat.. Dude you tell me what's special about the heat? Tell me they're record against the top 3 teams in the NBA... Thats right 0-5 (Mavs, Spurs, Celtics) and soon to be 0-6 to the Lakers. For the record I hope the Heat win that game but I wouldn't bet on it. 3 superstars and 9 bums won't get it done, and I've been saying that since the July 8th.
Tell me the record of the Heat against the elite team back in 2006.

Cano4prez
12-21-2010, 02:02 AM
Nobodys hating on the heat.. Dude you tell me what's special about the heat? Tell me they're record against the top 3 teams in the NBA... Thats right 0-5 (Mavs, Spurs, Celtics) and soon to be 0-6 to the Lakers. For the record I hope the Heat win that game but I wouldn't bet on it. 3 superstars and 9 bums won't get it done, and I've been saying that since the July 8th.

The Heat haven't played the Spurs once and the Mavs aren't elite

drobe86
12-21-2010, 02:05 AM
The Heat haven't played the Spurs once and the Mavs aren't elite


haha but our record says otherwise lol....

knicks_champ
12-21-2010, 02:05 AM
who is that in ur sig pic?

A white, blonde, cute, girl.

drobe86
12-21-2010, 02:05 AM
Tell me the record of the Heat against the elite team back in 2006.


yea the Heat were awesome in 06... But I don't live in a time machine. In 2010-11 they're garbage lol....

HuRRiCaNeS324
12-21-2010, 02:12 AM
The same way Bull fans trust Ronnie ****ing Brewer and Kyle dumbass Krover.

I mean cmon, obviously us fans are gonna think higher of a player on OUR team than someone else does.

The Mav's Roddy Beaubois is nothing special and hasnt done **** in his career, but the Mavs fans are dying for him to come back like he is the Messiah. I like Roddy Buckets too, but its the same exact way we feel about Miller.

Every team has that player thats on the IR and cant wait for them to come back. Just because he is wearing a Heat uniform doesnt make us "********" for thinking he is gonna make us a lot better.

JB0B0
12-21-2010, 02:21 AM
He's a rich man's Kyle Korver.

Bulls_fan90
12-21-2010, 02:24 AM
Tell me the record of the Heat against the elite team back in 2006.

You sound pathetic.

Gambeezy
12-21-2010, 02:53 AM
Nobodys hating on the heat.. Dude you tell me what's special about the heat? Tell me they're record against the top 3 teams in the NBA... Thats right 0-5 (Mavs, Spurs, Celtics) and soon to be 0-6 to the Lakers. For the record I hope the Heat win that game but I wouldn't bet on it. 3 superstars and 9 bums won't get it done, and I've been saying that since the July 8th.


1st in Opp. PPG at 91.5
1st in Opp. Field Goal% at 42.5%
1st in Opp. 3-Point% at 30.7%
1st in Opp. Free Throw% at 72.4%

We have the #1 defense in the league. That's pretty special...

Being a regular season all-star doesn't guarantee Play-Off success. The Mavs and Cavs can attest to that. Mavs have won 50+ games for 10 years straight. It's not how you start, but how you finish.

Arroyo leads the league in 3pt% and Jones is top 5 in 3pts made. Not all bums.

bholly
12-21-2010, 02:54 AM
I have heard all season about how much better the HEAT would become when Mike Miller returned... I never really got this thought process.

This isn't the Memphis Grizzlies Mike Miller.... he has averaged 10.9, 9.0 and 8.3 PPG the last three seasons, on awful teams. Usually thats when you put up your best numbers.

So the simple question here is, why does everyone seem to think Miller is just gonna all of a sudden become the 6th Man of the Year again for the Heat? Is it all just reputation at this point?

Such an enormous "I don't really understand basketball" argument. It's not about his numbers, it's that he spaces the floor, which makes things better/easier for the stars.

GoatMilk
12-21-2010, 03:00 AM
he'll be a huge help
money from 3

heat are dead least in 3 point FG%

CHANGO
12-21-2010, 03:00 AM
Mmm ... Maybe, because Mike Miller (most complete player) is better player than James Jones (yes, that player that averages, 7.2ppg, and made 57, 3pt shots, shooting for a 44% 3pt) and Carlos Arroyo (yes again, the same that leads the league in 3pt%, shooting for 52%).

If that tells you something, if not well.

P. S. I love it when a person (not Heat fan) post a thread, "to ask, or talk" about the Heat. And they all answer, hate, and say, all they want, but when a Heat fan, post a thread in the NBA forum, all protesting, is this a post to the NBA in general? Why have a forum of the team? Heat forum? ... Blah, blah, blah ... Just annoying.

John Walls Era
12-21-2010, 03:01 AM
yea the Heat were awesome in 06... But I don't live in a time machine. In 2010-11 they're garbage lol....

I dunno about garbage. Didn't they only lose by 2?

Regarding this thread, Mike Miller is a solid player. Can rebound and score... is that not something you want coming off the bench?

Master Mind
12-21-2010, 03:03 AM
Mmm ... Maybe, because Mike Miller (most complete player) is better player than James Jones (yes, that player that averages, 7.2ppg, and made 57, 3pt shots, shooting for a 44% 3pt) and Carlos Arroyo (yes again, the same that leads the league in 3pt%, shooting for 52%).

If that tells you something, if not well.

P. S. I love it when a person (not Heat fan) post a thread, "to ask, or talk" about the Heat. And they all answer, hate, and say, all they want, but when a Heat fan, post a thread in the NBA forum, all protesting, is this a post to the NBA in general? Why have a forum of the team? ... Blah, blah, blah ... Just annoying.

:clap:

kblo247
12-21-2010, 03:18 AM
Look, I'm a Laker fan and I'm glad that Miller didn't get the MLE from us (Barnes and Blake).

At the end of the day though the Heat and their fans have damn good reason to want Mike Miller and believe he will help. He will not be an all star or overly wow you, but he will offer the heat multiple options that they currently lack.

He can shoot, pass, score, rebound, handle the ball, and be average on defense to the point he won't be overly exploited with the right team scheme (see Hubie Brown's Griz if you don't believe it). That skill set allows him to be slid into the perimeter along with Wade and Lebron down the stretch of games.

Having Mike Miller is better than having Chalmers, Arroyo, Jones, or House all of whom are far more limited specialists in what they can do and what they bring to a team that is overly loaded with them outside of their top 3.

He is an important cog that will make them better.

Is he the great chip that puts them over the top? I doubt it, but he damn sure inches them closer to being there than they are without him.

* Same can be said for Haslem as well.

Gambeezy
12-21-2010, 03:19 AM
he'll be a huge help
money from 3

heat are dead least in 3 point FG%

The HEAT are 2nd in 3pt FG% behind the Spurs.

kozelkid
12-21-2010, 03:22 AM
He's a rich man's Kyle Korver.

Maybe in his Memphis days. Now he is exactly what Kyle Korver is. Their PERs are almost identical. Maybe Miller has an edge in rebounding.

And Heat fans certainly aren't "retards" for wanting him back. He is some valuable scoring that they are missing? Is he the make or break? No. But he's a valuable addition they need who will make a living off all the wide open looks he's going to get.

bholly
12-21-2010, 03:25 AM
^^ Hoopdata have them at 5th, but yeah. Think GoatMilk must've confused them with Opponent 3FG%, where they're the best in the league.

GoatMilk
12-21-2010, 03:26 AM
The HEAT are 2nd in 3pt FG% behind the Spurs.

lol i was looking at "OPPONENTS FG% stat"
:facepalm:

my bad

then he helps, but it's not crazy
they're already good at 3's, but it's an extra shooter, better defense than jones, another pretty good decision maker

im embarrassed about the bad stat now :o

Gambeezy
12-21-2010, 03:30 AM
^^ Hoopdata have them at 5th, but yeah. Think GoatMilk must've confused them with Opponent 3FG%, where they're the best in the league.

Yea that's exactly what he did. No biggy tho. Heat are last in Opp. 3pt FG% and 2nd in 3pt FG% per nba.com and fanhouse.

Evolution23
12-21-2010, 03:31 AM
So he struggles his first game of the season and now he's a garbage player? u guys are funny. By the end of the season you're going to be calling him the best shooter in the NBA with all the open looks he's going to get.

kblo247
12-21-2010, 03:35 AM
So he struggles his first game of the season and now he's a garbage player? u guys are funny. By the end of the season you're going to be calling him the best shooter in the NBA with all the open looks he's going to get.

Eh, I'll still fear an open 3 late in a game by Allen or Fisher if I'm an opponent more than I will Miller, but you are right when you say he should feast.

zambo4president
12-21-2010, 03:36 AM
I think Mike Miller will help space the floor a little more for them, He did have the 2nd highest FG% in the NBA behind Kyle Korver last year. He adds a reliable outside threat so now you can't just collapse on Wade and LeBron when they drive to the hoop for fear of the kickout and Miller nailing a 3. I don't think he makes them MUCH better like all the Heat fans seem to be sold on, but I do think he's a valuable piece to their team. It's Udonis Haslem they really miss though.

sargon21
12-21-2010, 04:52 AM
Well, he will certainly help them... and honestly, I don't see how you can overrrate his impact because of the spacing he'll provide.

hard_candy
12-21-2010, 05:08 AM
He should help a little. Their 'big three' will be helping themselves to at least 50 shots per game, every game, so he won't be shooting, or scoring, a lot.

arkanian215
12-21-2010, 05:18 AM
Depth.

Evolution23
12-21-2010, 05:21 AM
Eh, I'll still fear an open 3 late in a game by Allen or Fisher if I'm an opponent more than I will Miller, but you are right when you say he should feast.

I never said anything about Fisher or Allen in late game situations. Those 2 are two of the most clutch shooters at the end of games. My point is Mike Miller won't have to make clutch shots because they have Wade and Lebron to do that. But when these two get doubled or trippled, Miller is an option for the open shot.

dodie53
12-21-2010, 05:54 AM
another shooter and sometimes can be a playmaker

millerandco
12-21-2010, 06:04 AM
he'll at least spread the floor some more

junion
12-21-2010, 06:11 AM
a lot of people don't understand that in team basketball it's how the team does as a team. team. team.

mike miller doesn't have to be the best non-big-3 player out there. but with him in the line up, it puts everyone and the system into place in a better way. they need him to be a 3-point threat, and it'll open up opportunities for the big 3.

btw, are you judging this based on just tonight's game? one game?

you can compare it to the lakers and andrew bynum. bynum doesn't have to be the top center out there, but with him on the team, team, team, it brings pau back to pf and odom to the bench (or bynum to the bench) ... and as a team, they flow better.

BlondeBomber41
12-21-2010, 06:50 AM
Such an enormous "I don't really understand basketball" argument. It's not about his numbers, it's that he spaces the floor, which makes things better/easier for the stars.

Oh bull, I understand basketball more so than you could ever pretend to understand it.

Of course its not all about numbers, but when you play for the Minnesota Timberwolves and are the #2 option and only average 11 a game, you just aren't that good.

He will help space the floor, but is he really any better at that than James Jones? The numbers would say no. Jones is shooting almost 45% from three this year. I doubt Miller can improve on that, and there are only so many minutes at the SG/SF positions to go around.

He is a good passer, but will that really make too much of a difference when you have Lebron James and Dwyane Wade dominating the ball the majority of all possessions?

In reality all the Heat do by adding Miller into the fray is slightly strengthen a position that is already as strong as anyone in the NBA. They still are lacking big men and point guards, neither of which is Mike Miller.

This was never meant to say that Mike Miller was a bad player. I just never got the "when Mike Miller comes back we'll be so much better" kinda talk. Based on the past couple of years and the fact that he plays a position already dominated by two other players, I dont see the big impact that so many other people do.

SteBO
12-21-2010, 09:29 AM
Oh bull, I understand basketball more so than you could ever pretend to understand it.

Of course its not all about numbers, but when you play for the Minnesota Timberwolves and are the #2 option and only average 11 a game, you just aren't that good.

He will help space the floor, but is he really any better at that than James Jones? The numbers would say no. Jones is shooting almost 45% from three this year. I doubt Miller can improve on that, and there are only so many minutes at the SG/SF positions to go around.

He is a good passer, but will that really make too much of a difference when you have Lebron James and Dwyane Wade dominating the ball the majority of all possessions?

In reality all the Heat do by adding Miller into the fray is slightly strengthen a position that is already as strong as anyone in the NBA. They still are lacking big men and point guards, neither of which is Mike Miller.

This was never meant to say that Mike Miller was a bad player. I just never got the "when Mike Miller comes back we'll be so much better" kinda talk. Based on the past couple of years and the fact that he plays a position already dominated by two other players, I dont see the big impact that so many other people do.


He's the only guy on this team that can shoot the three at a 45% clip and drive and kick it to open guys like a point guard at 6'8". It makes a big difference offensively as compared to James Jones. He's also better defensively than Jones. No one else on this team has that combination of skills. Think logically please.

Soxfan
12-21-2010, 10:10 AM
He's the only guy on this team that can shoot the three at a 45% clip and drive and kick it to open guys like a point guard at 6'8". It makes a big difference offensively as compared to James Jones. He's also better defensively than Jones. No one else on this team has that combination of skills. Think logically please.

James Jones IS shooting at that rate right now....??. "Drive and kick it to open guys like a point guard" please do not start. Mike Miller is a good passer. He is nothing like a point guard and passes nothing like a point guard, he is not a huge difference offensively from Jones at this point in their careers. Miller has not been as good as he was early in his career. Obviously, hometown fans will look for the best scenario possible, but Mike Miller is not what every Heat fan envisions. He is not a make or break piece to the Heat.

SteBO
12-21-2010, 10:23 AM
James Jones IS shooting at that rate right now....??. "Drive and kick it to open guys like a point guard" please do not start. Mike Miller is a good passer. He is nothing like a point guard and passes nothing like a point guard, he is not a huge difference offensively from Jones at this point in their careers. Miller has not been as good as he was early in his career. Obviously, hometown fans will look for the best scenario possible, but Mike Miller is not what every Heat fan envisions. He is not a make or break piece to the Heat.

I never said he was point guard. Read carefully. He is a huge difference because he can handle the ball. Miami wants to run a motion offense in half court and we can only do that with Mike Miller in the lineup. James Jones has no handle. We don't need MM to be what he was in 06, but don't sit there and say he won't make a difference. Watch and you will see, no disrespect to you.

Soxfan
12-21-2010, 10:39 AM
I never said he was point guard. Read carefully. He is a huge difference because he can handle the ball. Miami wants to run a motion offense in half court and we can only do that with Mike Miller in the lineup. James Jones has no handle. We don't need MM to be what he was in 06, but don't sit there and say he won't make a difference. Watch and you will see, no disrespect to you.

I read and I quoted exactly what you said. You compared him to a point guard, clearly. He's an average ball handler at best. He won't be asked to really handle the ball, he is known as a knockdown shooter, and that's what he will do for the Heat. You make him out to be an all-star which he is not. I do not dispute Miller is a decent player, but he will not make the difference you and other Heat fans believe. Watch and you will see, no disrespect to you. CAREER ASSIST/TO ratio 3.2/1.9.

SteBO
12-21-2010, 10:46 AM
I read and I quoted exactly what you said. You compared him to a point guard, clearly. He's an average ball handler at best. He won't be asked to really handle the ball, he is known as a knockdown shooter, and that's what he will do for the Heat. You make him out to be an all-star which he is not. I do not dispute Miller is a decent player, but he will not make the difference you and other Heat fans believe. Watch and you will see, no disrespect to you.

Well, i didn't mean it that way then. Mike Miller will make a difference, whether you want to accept that or not. I'm not trying to start a war like every other heat fan on this site. I understand where you're coming from, but understand Mike Miller is a huge component on this team though probably not as big as Udonis. He'll make the offense flow much better. That's all I'm saying, NO DISRESPECT TO YOU! :)

Soxfan
12-21-2010, 10:52 AM
Well, i didn't mean it that way then. Mike Miller will make a difference, whether you want to accept that or not. I'm not trying to start a war like every other heat fan on this site. I understand where you're coming from, but understand Mike Miller is a huge component on this team though probably not as big as Udonis. He'll make the offense flow much better. That's all I'm saying, NO DISRESPECT TO YOU! :)

Ok I can agree with you a little. He'll help the offense a bit, he is a good player. He could prove to be a great piece on the team like James Posey was to the Celtics in 2008, most likely not that big though. And I agree Haslem leaves a huge hole. We can agree for the most part.

kswissdaf
12-21-2010, 10:58 AM
Anti heat thread-Go 15 pages long Pro Heat thread - Why isnt this in the heat forum closed and moved

J_M_B
12-21-2010, 11:02 AM
Mike Miller is going to be an upgrade over Jones. He's an elite shooter that can also put the ball on the floor. Mike has the ability to attack the basket. He has always been an underrated rebounder and passer, his versatility will help Miami.

The man has a bad game, all four of his shots were a little short. He came back earlier from an injury on his shooting hand. He'll be a big part of our success.

Miller returning is a huge break for Miami, but the guy they're truly going to miss is Udonis Haslem.

detzfish
12-21-2010, 11:05 AM
they are counting on him because he now steps in and is their best bench player. i am not a heat fan, and some expectations of these fans are not close to reality, but a decent sixth man helps on any team when u get them back.

its the same reason i had optimism that the pistons could be a 6th to 8th seed this year after all the injuries they had to deal with last year.

HouRealCoach
12-21-2010, 11:08 AM
He just going off of this one game... This was never discussed before

daleja424
12-21-2010, 11:14 AM
Its funny... when this thread was about how much better mike miller would make miami... most of the responses were stuff like, "who cares, this doesnt blng in the nba forum"...but now that it is a thread trying to knock the HEAT and take cheap shots those same people respond just fine with the insults...

Mishmin
12-21-2010, 11:19 AM
Question- why do heat fans count on mike miller? Because he's the 4th or 5th best player on the team.

koreancabbage
12-21-2010, 11:27 AM
Mike Miller is still a decent player- has size and can still knock down those 3 pointers.

BlondeBomber41
12-21-2010, 12:13 PM
He just going off of this one game... This was never discussed before

No I'm not, I didn't even get to see the game. I ask the question simply because I watched the highlights on espn.com and they made sure to point out what a big deal it was for the Heat to get Mike Miller back, when there is no reason to think he is gonna be an upgrade over what they already get from James Jones.

I love how any thread that isn't kissing the Heats *** is a "Anti Heat thread".... there is nothing negative said about the Heats team here. Just a question about why fans have the perception Miller will make a huge impact when he hasnt for quite a few years now.

SteBO
12-21-2010, 12:21 PM
No I'm not, I didn't even get to see the game. I ask the question simply because I watched the highlights on espn.com and they made sure to point out what a big deal it was for the Heat to get Mike Miller back, when there is no reason to think he is gonna be an upgrade over what they already get from James Jones.

I love how any thread that isn't kissing the Heats *** is a "Anti Heat thread".... there is nothing negative said about the Heats team here. Just a question about why fans have the perception Miller will make a huge impact when he hasnt for quite a few years now.

He was on crappy *** teams, that's why. He's valuable on a contending team, that's it. Mike Miller fits the motion offense Miami wants to run better than James Jones and is an elite shooter. That's reality.

IndyRealist
12-21-2010, 12:24 PM
Besides the big 3 and Haslem, Mike Miller was easily Miami's best pickup this summer. He won't take a ton of shots because he won't have to, but he's incredibly efficient when he does shoot, he rebounds and he can pass. He also gives them offense off the bench, which they have sorely lacked. So why do Heat fans hang their hopes on him? Because he will make them better.

SteBO
12-21-2010, 12:27 PM
Besides the big 3 and Haslem, Mike Miller was easily Miami's best pickup this summer. He won't take a ton of shots because he won't have to, but he's incredibly efficient when he does shoot, he rebounds and he can pass. He also gives them offense off the bench, which they have sorely lacked. So why do Heat fans hang their hopes on him? Because he will make them better.

:clap: Thank you

Corey
12-21-2010, 12:35 PM
He was on crappy *** teams, that's why. He's valuable on a contending team, that's it. Mike Miller fits the motion offense Miami wants to run better than James Jones and is an elite shooter. That's reality.

You're aware that James Jones is shooting 44% from 3pt range so far this season, right? How much is Miller going to improve upon that?

I think Miller's a much better player than Jones, but all the people saying he's going to be a much better shooter is silly. Jones has been great from deep this season.

SteBO
12-21-2010, 12:38 PM
You're aware that James Jones is shooting 44% from 3pt range so far this season, right? How much is Miller going to improve upon that?

I think Miller's a much better player than Jones, but all the people saying he's going to be a much better shooter is silly. Jones has been great from deep this season.

Oh I agree with you. I'm just saying that the opposition has to respect Mike Miller's shooting also and since he has handles he makes the offense flow a lot better. James Jones doesn't have Mike's complete skill set is all I'm saying. I'm in no way discounting James Jones. He's been great for us. :D

tangent12
12-21-2010, 12:39 PM
You know your team is bad when you're counting on a player like Mike Miller so much.

Flash3
12-21-2010, 12:42 PM
its funny... When this thread was about how much better mike miller would make miami... Most of the responses were stuff like, "who cares, this doesnt blng in the nba forum"...but now that it is a thread trying to knock the heat and take cheap shots those same people respond just fine with the insults...


+1

SteBO
12-21-2010, 12:42 PM
You know your team is bad when you're counting on a player like Mike Miller so much.

For the millionth time, Mike Miller is a key component to this team. He'll make us better, just like how Bynum makes the Lakers better, and Joakim Noah makes the Bulls better. BTW, 21-9 is good for second in the east, so your statement shows your ignorance. All you do is hate. Our team will be fine, watch and see.

Flash3
12-21-2010, 12:43 PM
You know your team is bad when you're counting on a player like Mike Miller so much.

haaha you know your team is "bad" when you get spanked by the clippers wait for it ........... AT HOME !!

justinnum1
12-21-2010, 12:51 PM
haaha you know your team is "bad" when you get spanked by the clippers wait for it ........... AT HOME !!

LMFAO:laugh:

BeantownBill
12-21-2010, 12:51 PM
Because they have no one else to count on.

SteBO
12-21-2010, 12:53 PM
LMFAO:laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Corey
12-21-2010, 12:57 PM
Oh I agree with you. I'm just saying that the opposition has to respect Mike Miller's shooting also and since he has handles he makes the offense flow a lot better. James Jones doesn't have Mike's complete skill set is all I'm saying. I'm in no way discounting James Jones. He's been great for us. :D

Oh, alright.

I definitely agree, then. I have no doubt that Miller is a pretty sizable upgrade overall in comparison to Jones...I just see a lot of fans referencing Miller's shooting abilities, which is sort of a moot point considering how well Jones has shot this season.

zB_#85
12-21-2010, 01:00 PM
Why are HEAT fans counting on Mike Miller so much?

They're not- it was just something to blame their struggles on at the beginning of the season. I heard "oh wait til Mike Miller gets back and solves everything" a hell of a lot more when they were struggling. Those comments faded during their 12 game streak once they clicked. Forgot about him when they didn't need excuses anymore.

Rivera
12-21-2010, 01:00 PM
whats the point of this thread????

is it to continue to :horse:

i hate the miami heat as much as the next poster....but i dont obsess abt them

fact is they have been playin really well lately....even if lebron is a douche bag they have been playin well together n r figuring things out

good for them......mike miller is a real nice player...and every1 can agree they rather have mike miller on the floor over mario chalmers/and arroyo

also i think havin a PG on this team is overrated just because wade n lebron can handle the ball at any time...

IMO they still wont win it all this year because they just need 1 more piece a better big......they just need a strong big alongside a weak bosh...someone to grab boards n block shots n someone to defend lebron n wade when teams commit hard fouls on them....imo there missing that one piece for a chip...BUT

they loose less on the floor with mike miller now then before when a lebron or dwade take a seat on the bench

and hes another person to spread the floor so wade n lebron can attack the basket




PS im surprised there isnt a thread made since the heat lost last night...cause this thread was made before the game last night

justinnum1
12-21-2010, 01:08 PM
Can this thread be closed?

Corey
12-21-2010, 01:11 PM
Closed for obvious reasons. There's no good discussion going on in here. It's turned into fan bases arguing with other fan bases.

Sorry.