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210Don
12-16-2010, 12:00 AM
whos the most clutch player in nba??? 2 incredible shots tonight by 2 of the most clutch players in league heres my list
1.kobe
2.manu
3.pierce
4.wade

whos 5 ??? melo? whats your list who i forget?
just so i wont seem like a homer i will put kobe 1st
also i hate the mavs but terry is clutch

bholly
12-16-2010, 12:02 AM
Manu is clutch, but I'd be really really surprised if any non-Argentine non-Spurs-fan put him above Kobe and Wade. Or even Pierce.
Edit: I probably put Nowitzki up there. With LeBron getting a mention, too.

210Don
12-16-2010, 12:03 AM
Manu is clutch, but I'd be really really surprised if any non-Argentine non-Spurs-fan put him above Kobe and Wade. Or even Pierce.

maybe behind kobe but not ahead of anybody else. id choose manu over kobe

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 12:05 AM
1. Kobe
2. Fisher
3. Pierce
4. Melo
5. Wade

Manu over Kobe is ridiculous.

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 12:06 AM
maybe behind kobe but not ahead of anybody else. id choose manu over kobe

Well I'm sure you would:eyebrow:

Super.
12-16-2010, 12:08 AM
Kobe, Pierce, Manu

210Don
12-16-2010, 12:09 AM
i will accept kobe over manu thats logical but pierce? i dont know aboout that.

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 12:10 AM
There is not a more clutch shooter than Fisher in the game today.

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 12:12 AM
i will accept kobe over manu thats logical but pierce? i dont know aboout that.

Pierce and Melo from the elbow are the most clutch out of everyone besides Kobe. Clutch 3's has gotta be Fisher and Ray Allen.

tdunk21
12-16-2010, 12:13 AM
1. Kobe
2. Fisher
3. Pierce
4. Melo
5. Wade

Manu over Kobe is ridiculous.

fisher over pierce, melo and wade is ridiculous to the zillionth power

magichatnumber9
12-16-2010, 12:14 AM
Kobe and Pierce both can create there own shot and both have ice running through there veins.

sargon21
12-16-2010, 12:15 AM
Kobe
Pierce
Lebron
Melo
Manu
Fisher (so clutch, doesn't take many shots, but when he does... (get the reference?)
Rose

LTBaByyy
12-16-2010, 12:16 AM
1. Kobe
2. Fisher
3. Pierce
4. Melo
5. Wade

Manu over Kobe is ridiculous.

:clap:

But not Fisher, only clutch in playoffs

And Dirk at 6, Im not biased and put a player 1 (Manu)

Evolution23
12-16-2010, 12:17 AM
Kobe, Melo, Wade, Pierce, Manu, Roy

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 12:17 AM
fisher over pierce, melo and wade is ridiculous to the zillionth power

How so? He wasn't specific in what situation was he? Fisher, as a spot up 3 PT shooter is more clutch than anybody today by far except for maybe Ray Allen.

sargon21
12-16-2010, 12:18 AM
^ Roy = no longer

LTBaByyy
12-16-2010, 12:19 AM
i will accept kobe over manu thats logical but pierce? i dont know aboout that.
:facepalm:

MickeyMgl
12-16-2010, 12:19 AM
maybe behind kobe but not ahead of anybody else. id choose manu over kobe

Only you.

sargon21
12-16-2010, 12:20 AM
:clap:

But not Fisher, only clutch in playoffs

And Dirk at 6, Im not biased and put a player 1 (Manu)

I could agree with that, he makes big shots down the shot, referring to Dirk, Manu that's just too high imo.

Also, people can laugh all they want at Rose on my list. All I know is he leads our team to victory in the fourth, simple as that. If we're down 5 at the end of the 3rd, consider it a win.

210Don
12-16-2010, 12:22 AM
Only you.
id take horry over both lol

Rex-Raptorz
12-16-2010, 12:22 AM
lol hedo and arenas xD!

bholly
12-16-2010, 12:22 AM
There is not a more clutch shooter than Fisher in the game today.


Pierce and Melo from the elbow are the most clutch out of everyone besides Kobe. Clutch 3's has gotta be Fisher and Ray Allen.

Nobody can deny he hits some huge shots, but as far as a season-long appraisal goes, the stats disagree with you on Fisher:
http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT8.HTM

sargon21
12-16-2010, 12:24 AM
^ Those are last year's clutch stats just fyi.

Hustlenomics
12-16-2010, 12:25 AM
ray allen is the most scariest to let shoot at any time in the game

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 12:28 AM
Nobody can deny he hits some huge shots, but as far as a season-long appraisal goes, the stats disagree with you on Fisher:
http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT8.HTM

Umm...like the regular season even matters?? Give me a player who is clutch when it counts in the playoffs and finals over a clutch regular season shooter any day.

Kashmir13579
12-16-2010, 12:29 AM
Kobe misses FTs in the 4th quarter of WCFs and Finals. nobody ever talks about it. there is literally no way that Kobe is "the best closer in the game". half the time he takes a horrible shot and gets bailed out by his team-mates. (see ron artest). i'm not saying he isn't the best in the game or close to it.. but c'mon dude is so hyped when it comes to being "the best closer"

i'll go with wade and peirce.

Hawkeye15
12-16-2010, 12:29 AM
THIS season's clutch numbers haven't been updated, so I have no opinion.
Most of you are picking off flawed rational. But that is a normal thing here

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 12:30 AM
ray allen is the most scariest to let shoot at any time in the game

Every time Ray Allen raises up to shoot I pretty much assume it's gonna go in. The guy is simply the best shooter ever. Too bad Pau Gasol always blocks his late game shots haha

210Don
12-16-2010, 12:30 AM
THIS season's clutch numbers haven't been updated, so I have no opinion.
Most of you are picking off flawed rational. But that is a normal thing here

you go ahead and pick varajao lmao

Kashmir13579
12-16-2010, 12:31 AM
^ Roy = no longer

LOL your going with D rose?! what a surprise

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 12:33 AM
Kobe misses FTs in the 4th quarter of WCFs and Finals. nobody ever talks about it. there is literally no way that Kobe is "the best closer in the game". half the time he takes a horrible shot and gets bailed out by his team-mates. (see ron artest). i'm not saying he isn't the best in the game or close to it.. but c'mon dude is so hyped when it comes to being "the best closer"

i'll go with wade and peirce.

Ya Kobe is far from being the best closer in the game :eyebrow:

sargon21
12-16-2010, 12:35 AM
LOL your going with D rose?! what a surprise

He was like 7th on my list...

sargon21
12-16-2010, 12:35 AM
I don't think Knicks fans like the way Kashmir represents them...

Chi-Town Sports
12-16-2010, 12:38 AM
Kobe misses FTs in the 4th quarter of WCFs and Finals. nobody ever talks about it. there is literally no way that Kobe is "the best closer in the game". half the time he takes a horrible shot and gets bailed out by his team-mates. (see ron artest). i'm not saying he isn't the best in the game or close to it.. but c'mon dude is so hyped when it comes to being "the best closer"

i'll go with wade and peirce.

"26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
If you don't know who this is from don't post again. With that being said Kobe.

samevans7
12-16-2010, 12:41 AM
Kobe-Pierce-Manu-LeBron-Dirk-Ray

Drewlius
12-16-2010, 12:41 AM
annnnndddddd.... Manu with another buzzer beating game winner tonight.

sargon21
12-16-2010, 12:42 AM
Ray Allen,, beast, forgot about him

balla4life22
12-16-2010, 12:44 AM
kobe is the most clutch. Peirce is easily top 2 or 3 it's like the hundredth time ive seen him spot up for that elbow shot for the game winner. Those 2 are monsters.

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 12:49 AM
Kobe-Pierce-Manu-LeBron-Dirk-Ray

Umm you can take Lebron out now lol...place Fisher, Melo, or Wade in there and you have a case.

Lakerhead4ever
12-16-2010, 12:50 AM
you guys are nutts, manu? he is an amazing player and may even be under rated, and yea he made some clutch shots in his career but over pierce and dirk? neeever! don't let tonite fool you people!

1.Kobe (by far)
2.pierce (Hate to say)
3.Dirk (got to give credit)
4.Fisher (Delivered Crazy daggers in his career)
5.Melo (Hate to say)

krest213
12-16-2010, 12:51 AM
whos the most clutch player in nba??? 2 incredible shots tonight by 2 of the most clutch players in league heres my list
1.kobe
2.manu
3.pierce
4.wade

whos 5 ??? melo? whats your list who i forget?
just so i wont seem like a homer i will put kobe 1st
also i hate the mavs but terry is clutch

i can't argue with that

Hustlenomics
12-16-2010, 12:54 AM
Every time Ray Allen raises up to shoot I pretty much assume it's gonna go in. The guy is simply the best shooter ever. Too bad Pau Gasol always blocks his late game shots haha

lol true


THIS season's clutch numbers haven't been updated, so I have no opinion.
Most of you are picking off flawed rational. But that is a normal thing here

people are going off what they see ..some are biased towards the league superstars obv

Lakerhead4ever
12-16-2010, 12:54 AM
Kobe misses FTs in the 4th quarter of WCFs and Finals. nobody ever talks about it. there is literally no way that Kobe is "the best closer in the game". half the time he takes a horrible shot and gets bailed out by his team-mates. (see ron artest). i'm not saying he isn't the best in the game or close to it.. but c'mon dude is so hyped when it comes to being "the best closer"

i'll go with wade and peirce.

You sound very foolish Mr. You must still be hurt by one of his daggers lmao! smh

Ohh and for everybody saying wade is clutch name 5 of his clutch shots within 7 secs..bet you coulnt do it:rolleyes:

dodie53
12-16-2010, 01:02 AM
kobe
melo
PP
wade
LBJ

magichatnumber9
12-16-2010, 01:03 AM
THIS season's clutch numbers haven't been updated, so I have no opinion.
Most of you are picking off flawed rational. But that is a normal thing here
Really? It's not been that bad here

meloman1592
12-16-2010, 01:04 AM
this thread is only up because manu and pierece hit GW's 2night smh...however it looks like this
1: Kobe
2:Melo
3-D wade
4:Pierce & Ray Allen
5-Dirk
honorable mention: manu,b-roy,fisher

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 01:07 AM
kobe
melo
PP
wade
LBJ

You can take Wade and Lebron out and replace them with Dirk, Fisher, and Ray Allen. Those are the true clutch players.

210Don
12-16-2010, 01:08 AM
this thread is only up because manu and pierece hit GW's 2night smh...however it looks like this
1: Kobe
2:Melo
3-D wade
4:Pierce & Ray Allen
5-Dirk
honorable mention: manu,b-roy,fisher

pierce and manu do it every night...

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 01:09 AM
this thread is only up because manu and pierece hit GW's 2night smh...however it looks like this
1: Kobe
2:Melo
3-D wade
4:Pierce & Ray Allen
5-Dirk
honorable mention: manu,b-roy,fisher

No way Melo or Wade deserve to be ahead of Pierce in terms of being clutch. Wade also falls behind Dirk in that category but he is definitely ahead of Lebron.

210Don
12-16-2010, 01:10 AM
No way Melo or Wade deserve to be ahead of Pierce in terms of being clutch. Wade also falls behind Dirk in that category but he is definitely ahead of Lebron.

tbh the refs love wade and dirk they get every call..

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 01:12 AM
tbh the refs love wade and dirk they get every call..

Lol true, but Dirk is still the more clutch shooter IMO

210Don
12-16-2010, 01:13 AM
Lol true, but Dirk is still the more clutch shooter IMO

nope they went head to head in finals wade won that settles that

drobe86
12-16-2010, 01:13 AM
How bout Dirk.... He's willing his team to victories every night

LTBaByyy
12-16-2010, 01:17 AM
I STILL CANT BELIEVE HE HAD MANU THE BEST CLOSER IN THE NBA !!!! wow

He is like 6-7 to be honest

210Don
12-16-2010, 01:19 AM
I STILL CANT BELIEVE HE HAD MANU THE BEST CLOSER IN THE NBA !!!! wow

He is like 6-7 to be honest

i know one thing hes ahead of dirk even terry is ahead of dirk on your team

Mudvayne91
12-16-2010, 01:21 AM
Kobe and Melo. Keep in mind I hate Melo.

Raph12
12-16-2010, 01:24 AM
1. Melo (stats don't lie [best percentage on game-winners])
2. Kobe (no nerves)
3. Ray Allen (for the shot) - Pierce (for the play)
4. Wade
5. Manu/Dirk

krest213
12-16-2010, 01:30 AM
man
Its Kobe
Manu
PP
Dirk

tredigs
12-16-2010, 01:30 AM
Interesting that the most consistently productive clutch performer of the last 4 years hasn't even cracked the top 5 on any list I've seen. I'll let you all take a gander at who that is:


Here's a hint: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

The hate is strong, in these ones.

Melo's #2, in mine (and the stats) opinion. The guy just doesn't miss with the game on the line.

Kobe, Dirk, Pierce, Ray, Wade, Cp3, B. Roy and Manu are all as good as anyone in the clutch on any given night as well.

Hiphopopotamus
12-16-2010, 01:31 AM
Give me Paul P. from the elbow if you need one basket.

Hiphopopotamus
12-16-2010, 01:35 AM
Interesting that the most consistently productive clutch performer of the last 4 years hasn't even cracked the top 5 on any list I've seen. I'll let you all take a gander at who that is:


Here's a hint: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

The hate is strong, in these ones.

Melo's #2, in mine (and the stats) opinion. The guy just doesn't miss with the game on the line.

Kobe, Dirk, Pierce, Ray, Wade, Cp3, B. Roy and Manu are all as good as anyone in the clutch on any given night as well.

Rose is 15th based on last years stats and he is way better in the clutch this season. It will be interesting to see where that lands. Sargon may have been right to have Rose at 7th this season. I'm a Rose fan, but do understand my biased eyes lie sometimes so it was interesting to see the numbers. Thanks

tredigs
12-16-2010, 01:38 AM
Rose is 15th based on last years stats and he is way better in the clutch this season. It will be interesting to see where that lands. Sargon may have been right to have Rose at 7th this season. I'm a Rose fan, but do understand my biased eyes lie sometimes so it was interesting to see the numbers. Thanks

Rose has been a monster in the clutch this season, there's no doubt about that. I don't know the numbers off hand either, but I can almost assure you his production has been top 10.

Hawkeye15
12-16-2010, 01:40 AM
lol true



people are going off what they see ..some are biased towards the league superstars obv

no doubt. Which is why many are wrong. Like I said, I will wait until they release situational stats on late game situations before I comment.

Hawkeye15
12-16-2010, 01:41 AM
Really? It's not been that bad here

um, Kobe wins this argument most the time, when its shown he isn't. So yes, I will ASSUME, its flawed yet again.

Durant is hype
12-16-2010, 01:42 AM
The thing is everybody has different perceptions and nobody thinks their wrong,thus they convince themselves that so and so are "clutch".

LTBaByyy
12-16-2010, 01:43 AM
i know one thing hes ahead of dirk even terry is ahead of dirk on your team

I chuckled lol


But seriously I: :faint:

Hawkeye15
12-16-2010, 01:43 AM
Interesting that the most consistently productive clutch performer of the last 4 years hasn't even cracked the top 5 on any list I've seen. I'll let you all take a gander at who that is:


Here's a hint: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

The hate is strong, in these ones.

Melo's #2, in mine (and the stats) opinion. The guy just doesn't miss with the game on the line.

Kobe, Dirk, Pierce, Ray, Wade, Cp3, B. Roy and Manu are all as good as anyone in the clutch on any given night as well.


don't make some of these dudes bring out, "Kobe has 5 rings! He is more clutch!"

Giraffes Rule
12-16-2010, 01:51 AM
I think Ginobili is damn good in the clutch. All you have to do is clear out the lane and let him work with either the step back or let him just drive to the basket.

Maybe he's not the most clutch, but he's obviously the player I see the most.

JPHX
12-16-2010, 01:53 AM
Hedo is clutch. too bad thats all he is. :sigh:

balla4life22
12-16-2010, 02:10 AM
no doubt. Which is why many are wrong. Like I said, I will wait until they release situational stats on late game situations before I comment.

numbers dont always tell how clutch a payer is. being clutch is having the ability to make big plays in close games and tight situations. whether it would be scoring a big shot or getting a big steal.

DoJoTheSlasher
12-16-2010, 02:14 AM
Kobe and Dirk


Everyone else

thekmp211
12-16-2010, 03:03 AM
ray allen hits big shots, as well.

Evolution23
12-16-2010, 03:57 AM
numbers dont always tell how clutch a payer is. being clutch is having the ability to make big plays in close games and tight situations. whether it would be scoring a big shot or getting a big steal.

This. I don't need stats to tell which player I want taking the last shot.

zambo4president
12-16-2010, 04:01 AM
Derek Fisher and Derrick Rose are both very clutch. Don't see either of them being talked about much in here.

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 04:14 AM
nope they went head to head in finals wade won that settles that

What does that have to do with anything??? If I recall correctly, Gary Payton was the guy who hit the biggest and most clutch basket to end that series.

It was easy for Wade to do what he did and go one on one with hi defender in an island while the rest of the Mavs were more concerned with keeping a body on Shaquille. Lame argument.

TheDiggler
12-16-2010, 08:28 AM
Besides Dirk, Kobe, Melo. Man ... when I think clutch, I see the D-Fish, swimming in front of eye.

Supreme LA
12-16-2010, 08:51 AM
Besides Dirk, Kobe, Melo. Man ... when I think clutch, I see the D-Fish, swimming in front of eye.

Nobody is more clutch than Fisher. Thats why Kobe always passes it to him.

Hawkeye15
12-16-2010, 09:31 AM
numbers dont always tell how clutch a payer is. being clutch is having the ability to make big plays in close games and tight situations. whether it would be scoring a big shot or getting a big steal.

totally. And we have numbers that show that 90% of the time

Hawkeye15
12-16-2010, 09:32 AM
This. I don't need stats to tell which player I want taking the last shot.

then you may very well pick the wrong player...

Furymaker
12-16-2010, 09:52 AM
Maybe it's stupid comparison but What if your life depends on 1 shot , and you can choose between any players in today's game , who would it be ?
I'm surely going with Kobe , as simple as that .
But other than Kobe there must be Melo , Lebron , Pierce , Allen , Dirk , ROSE , Wade , Manu , ...
But KOBE is KOBE .

Hawkeye15
12-16-2010, 10:00 AM
Maybe it's stupid comparison but What if your life depends on 1 shot , and you can choose between any players in today's game , who would it be ?
I'm surely going with Kobe , as simple as that .
But other than Kobe there must be Melo , Lebron , Pierce , Allen , Dirk , ROSE , Wade , Manu , ...
But KOBE is KOBE .

Melo hits the highest percentage on game winning attempts of any star in the league. So he is my pick obviously.
To put it into perspective, if you are betting your life you have about a 30% chance of survival if you pick Kobe, and about a 50% chance of survival if you pick Melo.
Just sayin

MiamiWadeCounty
12-16-2010, 12:26 PM
Fisher
Kobe - 2nd cuz he takes so many GWs that when one goes in people forget all the misses
Ray Allen
Wade
Pierce

dnewguy
12-16-2010, 12:31 PM
Most Clutch: Derrick ******* Fisher. The guy is a snake, absolutely unbelievable.

xbrackattackx
12-16-2010, 01:16 PM
Kobe
Nash
Dirk
Pierce
Melo
Fisher
Wade
Manu


Not in order, But people I would trust to win a game for me.

Bornknick73
12-16-2010, 01:25 PM
If not based on past performance and on current I'd go with STUD-emire. So far this year I would say hes been the most clutch player in the NBA. Leads the League in fourth quarter scoring and would have won us the game last night after another night of heroics.

But if I have to go off your list of past performers, disregarding the stats I'd say Kobe.

Kobe doesnt hit them all the time but very few have his killer instinct to win the game at the end. I wouldnt say Jordan passed him the torch but he did pass him the bloody late game dagger.

kobebabe
12-16-2010, 01:41 PM
maybe behind kobe but not ahead of anybody else. id choose manu over kobe

Well, Dah.......:eyebrow:

Seamhead
12-16-2010, 02:11 PM
Why such an extensive conversation over a skill that isn't even a real skill?

And lol at the dude going around correcting everyones list. Like he's not basing his opinion over small sample sizes and subjective nonsense.

yoseppii12
12-16-2010, 02:19 PM
this year. Rose has been real clutch. Lots of buzzer beaters to end quarters and games this year. I call that clutch. Also taking a team on your shoulders when you are playing a tough opponent. That is clutch too.

Wade
Kobe
Melo
Amare!
Pierce

LeQuit James
12-16-2010, 02:35 PM
anthony morrow

Lokthug101
12-16-2010, 02:37 PM
If the game was tied I would pick Paul perice if the I was trailing in the last seconds I would pick bryant that's how simple
It is to me

raptor fan
12-16-2010, 02:37 PM
kobe is the most clutch player in the game. as for someone who is not a superstar, derrick fisher is definitely in contention, and ray allen is up there as well.

joeboow90
12-16-2010, 02:40 PM
Kobe is definitely number 1. Earlier in his career he really wasn't clutch, but now he is the most clutch player in the nba. he can take over anytime he needs to for his team to win. we've seen it in the playoffs time and time again in the 4th quarter kobe taking over.

Drewlius
12-17-2010, 02:41 AM
annnnndddddd.... Manu with another buzzer beating game winner tonight. Annnndddd.... Manu with ANOTHER buzzer beating game winner tonight.

Fixed my post.

sargon21
12-17-2010, 02:42 AM
MANUUUUUUU .... so clutch, Melo.. so close

MilwaukeeBAller
12-17-2010, 02:45 AM
Manu now has 2 game winners?!?!?!?! Yippy frickin doo

210Don
12-17-2010, 02:47 AM
Manu now has 2 game winners?!?!?!?! Yippy frickin doo

brandon jennings is clutch to i was so scared the game against us he almost hit that 3

Giraffes Rule
12-17-2010, 02:49 AM
Manu now has 2 game winners?!?!?!?! Yippy frickin doo

It's more than just two game winners (in a row). Do you honestly think Ginobili isn't one of the most clutch players in the league?

sargon21
12-17-2010, 02:50 AM
^ To your sig, do you know what the avg. team's age is?

D1JM
12-17-2010, 02:53 AM
manu had a clutch move on both ends

Giraffes Rule
12-17-2010, 02:56 AM
^ To your sig, do you know what the avg. team's age is?

Nope, I didn't look too hard (ie a 15 second google search didn't come up with it). I know the other two teams people generally rank higher than the Spurs (Lakers, Celtics) are both older though.

MilwaukeeBAller
12-17-2010, 02:56 AM
It's more than just two game winners (in a row). Do you honestly think Ginobili isn't one of the most clutch players in the league?

LOL. No.

Giraffes Rule
12-17-2010, 02:57 AM
LOL. No.

Do you have any reasons to back that up? Besides that he burned your team last night. ;)

sargon21
12-17-2010, 02:57 AM
Nope, I didn't look too hard (ie a 15 second google search didn't come up with it). I know the other two teams people generally rank higher than the Spurs (Lakers, Celtics) are both older though.

Ah, ok. Congrats on your boys continuing to roll.

MilwaukeeBAller
12-17-2010, 03:02 AM
Do you have any reasons to back that up? Besides that he burned your team last night. ;)

Come on man. He hasn't had enough "clutch moments" in his career yet. He has been the most clutch player this week though.

210Don
12-17-2010, 03:03 AM
Come on man. He hasn't had enough "clutch moments" in his career yet. He has been the most clutch player this week though.

hey bro did you watch game 7 of the 2005 nba finals he destroyed that great pistons defense he been doing it for years it bugs me when they say he just started lol

Drewlius
12-17-2010, 03:05 AM
Come on man. He hasn't had enough "clutch moments" in his career yet. He has been the most clutch player this week though.

http://www.mmipublicrelations.com/images/uploads/ignorance.jpg

MilwaukeeBAller
12-17-2010, 03:05 AM
Manu is a very good player. I just dont consider him a top clutch player. Thats just my own personal opinion.

Giraffes Rule
12-17-2010, 03:06 AM
Come on man. He hasn't had enough "clutch moments" in his career yet. He has been the most clutch player this week though.

How many "clutch moments" does he need? Because he takes close games over on a nightly basis. Not just recently either.


Manu is a very good player. I just dont consider him a top clutch player. Thats just my own personal opinion.

Who do you consider more clutch? Just as a point of reference.

MilwaukeeBAller
12-17-2010, 03:07 AM
And if I heard the Bucks announcers correct last night, Manu was something like 18% from the field in the final 2 minutes of games before last night......

Giraffes Rule
12-17-2010, 03:13 AM
And if I heard the Bucks announcers correct last night, Manu was something like 18% from the field in the final 2 minutes of games before last night......


Who do you consider more clutch? Just as a point of reference.

So just going to ignore this or... ? My list:

1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Pierce
4. Melo
5. Ginobili

MilwaukeeBAller
12-17-2010, 03:20 AM
Kobe, Melo, Pierce, LeBron, Roy, Duncan, Ray Allen, Fisher, Shaq, D Wil, Rip, Wade, Nash, Arenas and Mo Wil.

Those are the guys at the top of my list. Some of those guys may not have more then 2 game winning buzzer beaters, but I also consider poise and compoture as well as how effective somebody is shooting the ball in the pressure situations.

Sure Manu has had some great clutch moments, but he has also had times where he has hurt his team with bad shooting in final moments as well.

Giraffes Rule
12-17-2010, 03:24 AM
Kobe, Melo, Pierce, LeBron, Roy, Duncan, Ray Allen, Fisher, Shaq, D Wil, Rip, Wade, Nash, Arenas and Mo Wil.

Those are the guys at the top of my list. Some of those guys may not have more then 2 game winning buzzer beaters, but I also consider poise and compoture as well as how effective somebody is shooting the ball in the pressure situations.

Sure Manu has had some great clutch moments, but he has also had times where he has hurt his team with bad shooting in final moments as well.

Are you doing that from throughout their career or just right? Because if this is for right now you're just being unreasonable.

meloman1592
12-17-2010, 03:27 AM
No1 better In the last few seconds than kobe...but melo is 2nd

MilwaukeeBAller
12-17-2010, 03:31 AM
Are you doing that from throughout their career or just right? Because if this is for right now you're just being unreasonable.

Career

krest213
12-17-2010, 03:34 AM
Kobe, Melo, Pierce, LeBron, Roy, Duncan, Ray Allen, Fisher, Shaq, D Wil, Rip, Wade, Nash, Arenas and Mo Wil.

Those are the guys at the top of my list. Some of those guys may not have more then 2 game winning buzzer beaters, but I also consider poise and compoture as well as how effective somebody is shooting the ball in the pressure situations.

Sure Manu has had some great clutch moments, but he has also had times where he has hurt his team with bad shooting in final moments as well.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b226/gacktichiban/FLAIR/FLAIR28.jpg

Giraffes Rule
12-17-2010, 03:44 AM
Career

The question is "Most clutch in the NBA today." Says so right in the title.

MilwaukeeBAller
12-17-2010, 03:49 AM
Ok so take out like Rip, Shaq and Duncan then

MilwaukeeBAller
12-17-2010, 03:51 AM
And Ill add Dirk in there cuz I forgot him.

shep33
12-17-2010, 03:56 AM
melo, kobe, dirk, pierce, fisher, manu... any order of those guys really. I think Arenas is clutch but he just plays on a bad team

MickeyMgl
12-17-2010, 04:08 AM
Anybody who can't create his own shot, or who doesn't ever have plays drawn up for him, shouldn't count. Players who rely on go-to teammates to draw extra attention and kick the ball out to them shouldn't count.

This would put Horry and Fisher in a seperate category.

MickeyMgl
12-17-2010, 04:14 AM
Kobe Bryant
Carmelo Anthony
Chauncey Billups
Manu Ginobili
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Jason Terry

Venomous88
12-17-2010, 10:33 AM
Off the top of my head

1. Carmelo Anthony
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Paul Pierce
6. Manu Ginobili
7. Ray Allen (#1 Clutch Shooter)
8. LeBron James
9. Chris Paul
10. Kevin Durant
11. Derrick Rose
12. Deron Williams
13. Steve Nash

devv83
12-17-2010, 01:27 PM
Melo, Kobe, Dirk, Pierce






Every one else

Hawkeye15
12-17-2010, 01:54 PM
I cant believe how many are leaving LeBron off your lists

Highlight
12-17-2010, 01:59 PM
Yeah, Lebron is top 5 for sure. The only reason I have somewhat of an understanding as to why people are keeping him off their lists is specifically because of his free throw shooting. When the game is on the line, free throw shooting is vital. It's not that he has missed a ton of free throws at the end of games, but he has missed enough for most people to remember.

When I see Lebron with the ball in his hands at the end of the game, I feel like he can get a bucket taking it to the rim anytime he wants, but if he gets fouled and has to shoot two at the line, I have that weird feeling like he's going to miss 1 of 2.

Giraffes Rule
12-17-2010, 02:08 PM
Ok so take out like Rip, Shaq and Duncan then

That list is still laughable. If you would give the ball to Brandon Roy right now over Manu Ginobili, you're crazy.


I cant believe how many are leaving LeBron off your lists

Lebron would be higher if you could guarantee that he would drive to the basket every time, rather than take a bad jumper or three. He misses so many cuz he's trying to be like Jordan.

Hawkeye15
12-17-2010, 02:10 PM
seeing as I don't even believe in the term, "clutch", I really don't care to fight over a list. But there are obviously a few out there who step up in big moments, but the whole 46 minutes leading up are just as important

KeepMonta#8
12-17-2010, 02:18 PM
im laughing at so many people have hommer picks :drunk:

ManRam
12-17-2010, 02:18 PM
The only stat the really does a good job of this is 82games points per 48 clutch minutes. I don't think it is a great stat, but it is at least a stat. I'm not a fan of "clutch"...because I don't think there is a consensus as to what it means...and I'd always take a player who dominates the first 45-46 minutes over a player who shows up for 2-3.

But, for the sake of argument...per 48 minutes of clutch time stats:

Last year, LeBron was first with 66.1 points on 48.8%. Kobe was second with 51.2 on 44.4% shooting. Dirk was third at 47.2 on 44.9% shooting. Then Melo, then Nash, then Rip and Vince.

Those definitely aren't very surprising names. It's amazing how far more efficient LBJ was than the rest of the top 8. He shot 48.8%, the next closest in the top 8 was Joe Johnson at 46.3. He also dished out 8.3 assists per 48 minutes, which only Nash could beat, and was again, way higher than everyone else not named Nash. His FT shooting was 80%, right where Kobe's was, and higher than his normal average. He was +116, again, by far the highest. Kobe was +19, Dirk was second at +102. The rest of the top 20 were below +50.

Hard to argue against him, statistically, as not being the best clutch player. He might not hit as many game winners, perhaps because he'll hit the shots before that is needed.

I don't equate "clutch" to "last shot". Last shot, I will take Kobe. But for the duration; late in close games, no one takes it over like LeBron did and does.

Hawkeye15
12-17-2010, 02:21 PM
The only stat the really does a good job of this is 82games points per 48 clutch minutes. I don't think it is a great stat, but it is at least a stat. I'm not a fan of "clutch"...because I don't think there is a consensus as to what it means...and I'd always take a player who dominates the first 45-46 minutes over a player who shows up for 2-3.

But, for the sake of argument...per 48 minutes of clutch time stats:

Last year, LeBron was first with 66.1 points on 48.8%. Kobe was second with 51.2 on 44.4% shooting. Dirk was third at 47.2 on 44.9% shooting. Then Melo, then Nash, then Rip and Vince.

Those definitely aren't very surprising names. It's amazing how far more efficient LBJ was than the rest of the top 8. He shot 48.8%, the next closest in the top 8 was Joe Johnson at 46.3. He also dished out 8.3 assists per 48 minutes, which only Nash could beat, and was again, way higher than everyone else not named Nash. His FT shooting was 80%, right where Kobe's was, and higher than his normal average. He was +116, again, by far the highest. Kobe was +19, Dirk was second at +102. The rest of the top 20 were below +50.

Hard to argue against him, statistically, as not being the best clutch player. He might not hit as many game winners, perhaps because he'll hit the shots before that is needed.

I don't equate "clutch" to "last shot". Last shot, I will take Kobe. But for the duration; late in close games, no one takes it over like LeBron did and does.


while this is absolutely correct, and has been sited numerous times, there are so many anti-LeBron posters here, it still gets disregarded. Even though Kobe makes like 25% of his game winning attempts, he will still get the nod here.
Whatever

ManRam
12-17-2010, 02:25 PM
while this is absolutely correct, and has been sited numerous times, there are so many anti-LeBron posters here, it still gets disregarded. Even though Kobe makes like 25% of his game winning attempts, he will still get the nod here.
Whatever

Haha. I just realized how long of a thread this was. I just signed on today for the first time in a while...I just saw the OP's post, and started typing in the quick reply. Sorry if I'm just regurgitating.

The problem with just noting game winning shots, is that no one takes into account game winning attempts. Kobe hit a **** ton last year, but how many did he take? How many did guys like LeBron, Dirk, Melo etc. have to take? Maybe they just never were in as many close games. Maybe they scored 15 points early in the 4th and didn't have to make a game winner...because they had already won it.

Game winning shots is obviously incredibly important, but just like every other stat, without context it means nothing.

MickeyMgl
12-18-2010, 02:47 AM
seeing as I don't even believe in the term, "clutch", I really don't care to fight over a list. But there are obviously a few out there who step up in big moments, but the whole 46 minutes leading up are just as important

They are just as important, but there is clearly something about the pressure of the last minute of a close game that isn't as evident in the first 46-47. Guys like Peja go from swishing 25 footers to airballing 15 footers. It's an invisble thing, pressure... but we see the effects of it all the time.

heatking
12-18-2010, 03:25 AM
Kobe
Wade
Pierce
Lebron
Melo
Manu

In order those are clutchest players in the league.

SensandRaps
12-18-2010, 03:52 AM
my top 5 would be
kobe bryant
paul pierce
carmelo anthony
lebron james
ray allen

i just listed the players here not in any specific order but if i had to choose a number 1 it would be ray allen imo

swirl54
12-18-2010, 04:04 AM
I cant believe how many are leaving LeBron off your lists


Please list the game winners he has hit? I will put him in my top 5 then.

swirl54
12-18-2010, 04:14 AM
1a. Kobe
1b. Kobe
3. Pierce
4. Wade
5. Dirk
6. Melo
7. LeBron
8. Ray Ray
9. Manu
10.Deron Williams

I am not going on the whole game that was not the question. I am going with who I want to have the ball with 10 seconds left. I would put my man D.Rose seeing as how he has improved his shooting and has the Killer instinct but he ain't ready just yet.

Hawkeye15
12-18-2010, 11:24 AM
Please list the game winners he has hit? I will put him in my top 5 then.

"clutch", if there is even a real meaning for it, doesn't mean game winners. If it does, then the term should be, "Who hits the most game winners", of which it would be thread over in post #2 because someone could just link a page with the # of game winners.

m26555
12-18-2010, 11:25 AM
Ray Allen.

Gators123
12-19-2010, 03:23 AM
Kobe
Pierce
LeBron
Melo

John Walls Era
12-19-2010, 03:48 AM
That list is still laughable. If you would give the ball to Brandon Roy right now over Manu Ginobili, you're crazy.



Lebron would be higher if you could guarantee that he would drive to the basket every time, rather than take a bad jumper or three. He misses so many cuz he's trying to be like Jordan.

MJ missed more than 9000 shots. Lost almost 300 games. 26 times, been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. Failed over and over and over again. And that is why he succeeded.

Mudvayne91
12-19-2010, 04:17 AM
^ ok............?

Method28
12-19-2010, 06:49 AM
Well we know its not Derrick Rose :D

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5934982&categoryid=2459789

iamsteel
12-19-2010, 07:27 AM
Pierce/Allen, Kobe/Gasol. All 4 should be in the top 5.

Shortys4711
12-19-2010, 08:36 AM
1. Kobe. Fullstop no body comes close to him.

2. Paul P. Dont like the guy but gotta give him credit.
3. Wade. Hits big shots when needed
4. Dirk. Will never forget his clutch shots against the suns guy just would not miss.
5. Melo. Finds away to score all the time in a clutch situation.

Mentions, Gilbert, Billups, LBJ, Manu, Hedo

michael811
12-19-2010, 11:00 AM
Interesting that the most consistently productive clutch performer of the last 4 years hasn't even cracked the top 5 on any list I've seen. I'll let you all take a gander at who that is:


Here's a hint: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

The hate is strong, in these ones.

Melo's #2, in mine (and the stats) opinion. The guy just doesn't miss with the game on the line.

Kobe, Dirk, Pierce, Ray, Wade, Cp3, B. Roy and Manu are all as good as anyone in the clutch on any given night as well.

No one denies that Lebron is one of the best regular season players of all time and If I had to pick one player to win a game that was meaningless he would definitely be my first choice

j/m_ets
12-19-2010, 11:24 AM
1. Kobe
2. Fisher
3. Pierce
4. Melo
5. Wade

Manu over Kobe is ridiculous.

what will it take for more guys to put him on the list

RapOZo
12-19-2010, 12:02 PM
I don't have a list, but I really would rather kobe over anybody else to have the ball in crunch time, he developed from a ball hogger into a great decision maker.

PS. tie game with last shot in your hands is waaaayy easier than down by 1 and the last shot in your hands

northsider
12-19-2010, 12:45 PM
Well we know its not Derrick Rose :D

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5934982&categoryid=2459789

How isn't this baiting just to be a dick?

Chronz
12-19-2010, 07:03 PM
No one denies that Lebron is one of the best regular season players of all time and If I had to pick one player to win a game that was meaningless he would definitely be my first choice

What?

Furymaker
12-19-2010, 07:18 PM
Well we know its not Derrick Rose :D

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5934982&categoryid=2459789
DRose will miss more than 9000 shots . He'll lose almost 300 games . 26 times , he'll be trusted to take the game winning shot and he'll miss . He'll fail over and over and over again . And that is why he will succeed ;)

DieHardCubFan
12-19-2010, 07:31 PM
derrick rose

jim51990
12-19-2010, 07:36 PM
explain to me how kobe is the most clutch when he has the most misses to win a game in the league

BALLER R
12-19-2010, 08:21 PM
kobe, ray allen, pierce,fisher, manu

BALLER R
12-19-2010, 08:22 PM
explain to me how kobe is the most clutch when he has the most misses to win a game in the league

because he also has the most makes

DoJoTheSlasher
12-19-2010, 08:46 PM
If Derrick Rose is 1/100th of what MJ was, I'll give you a cookie.

DWADE4MVP!!
12-19-2010, 08:52 PM
Wow u cannot put manu as that high as a clutch player...i kno ur a spurs fan but come on :facepalm: Manu has just started being clutch now but wade and kobe have been doin this since they came in the league.

1 Kobe (No Doubt)
2 Wade (Prob has the most buzzer beaters and game winner after kobe)
3 Pierce
4 Manu
5 Melo

That is how ur list should be

DWADE4MVP!!
12-19-2010, 08:53 PM
explain to me how kobe is the most clutch when he has the most misses to win a game in the league

y do u think that they want the ball in his hands when the game is on the line. Ur not going to make every shot u take

kjoke
12-21-2010, 09:28 PM
give me duncan for some reason, i always get the feeling he shoots like 100% from the field lol

J_M_B
12-21-2010, 10:00 PM
1.Kobe
2.Wade
3.Pierce
4.Dirk
5.Melo

Honorable mention: Manu

AIRMAR72
12-21-2010, 10:22 PM
paul pierce and brandon roy and manu

210Don
12-21-2010, 10:42 PM
give me duncan for some reason, i always get the feeling he shoots like 100% from the field lol

very true last second shots he just creates not bad having timmy and manu lol:clap:

BkOriginalOne
12-21-2010, 11:10 PM
Got to be Kobe
Then maybe Manu
Melo is also clutch when he has not committing offensive fouls
Boston's big 3 are also really clutch

DwayneMVPwade
12-22-2010, 12:17 AM
1. Kobe
2. Pierce
3. melo