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DoMeFavors
12-14-2010, 07:07 PM
Nets, Lakers, Rockets are in advanced talks on 3-way deal sending T. WIlliams to HOU, S. Vujacic and a future HOU 1st to NJ.
WOJ

thedfactor
12-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Sources say 3-way deal isn't finalized and likely won't be before Wednesday. Still financial considerations that could be adjusted.

Nets, Lakers, Rockets are in advanced talks on 3-way deal sending T. WIlliams to HOU, S. Vujacic and a future HOU 1st to NJ, sources tell Y!

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

Young and Stupid
12-14-2010, 07:11 PM
Yeah someone just sent this to me. Wow ... if this goes down then it might be the final straw. I might have to convert (Nets to Knicks).


Terrence Williams has been de-activated by the Nets and told not to report to the Prudential Center on Tuesday -- he will be traded to a Western Conference team, possibly as soon as Wednesday.
New Jersey will get back "a shooter and at least one first-round pick" in exchange for their embattled swingman, which could impact their pursuit of Carmelo Anthony. His value depends upon where he lands, but any team that trades for him theoretically plans to use him -- do not hesitate to pick him off the waiver wire.

Source: NBC Sports (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32196560/ns/sports-player_news/) (via Bergen Record)

ChI_ShIzzLe
12-14-2010, 07:11 PM
Does that mean the Rockets might be looking to trade Martin?

J4KOP99
12-14-2010, 07:12 PM
What do the Lakers get? Just an opportunity to give up Sasha?

IAmKira
12-14-2010, 07:12 PM
so wat does Lakers get? CHUCK HAYES? NTY O.O

mgeise
12-14-2010, 07:12 PM
Would anything be going to the Lakers? Or would the Nets actually just take on Vujacic?

I think a change of scenery could be great for Williams. He's obviously very talented.

thedfactor
12-14-2010, 07:12 PM
T. Williams to Houston is a great pick up for only a first round pick. Vujacic is pointless and sucks for him LOL, he loves the LA life.

Nets get another 1st rounder, they loading up for the future or another possible trade to bring in more talent?

CityofChaos
12-14-2010, 07:13 PM
so who do the Lakers get in return?

J4KOP99
12-14-2010, 07:13 PM
Farmar and Sasha re-unite on the Nets... a lot of championship experience on that team now.

ChI_ShIzzLe
12-14-2010, 07:13 PM
lol I didn't realize the Lakers don't get anything out of it :laugh2:

Probably a 2nd round pick from Houston.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2010, 07:14 PM
Joe Smith will be going off to LA

Robbw241
12-14-2010, 07:14 PM
Lakers Get: Joe Smith
Nets Get: Sasha, Lakers 2011 First, Houston 2012 First
Rockets get: TWill

AddiX
12-14-2010, 07:15 PM
Why would Houston trade a 1st rounder for a guy just sent to the D-League. This makes no sense.

J4KOP99
12-14-2010, 07:16 PM
Joe Smith?... I guess he will help. Who really cares, come playoff time I doubt he get's many minutes.

Chacarron
12-14-2010, 07:19 PM
:pity: :cry:

J4KOP99
12-14-2010, 07:20 PM
Lakers Get: Joe Smith
Nets Get: Sasha, Lakers 2011 First, Houston 2012 First
Rockets get: TWill

Wait a second... The Lakers are giving up Sasha and their 2011 1st rd pick?... for Joe Smith?

ShakeN'Bake
12-14-2010, 07:23 PM
Wait a second... The Lakers are giving up Sasha and their 2011 1st rd pick?... for Joe Smith?

Seems like the lakers are getting the short end of the stick.

Gators123
12-14-2010, 07:24 PM
:pity: :cry:

:laugh2:

killbumdeluxe13
12-14-2010, 07:24 PM
Maybe a change of scenery combined with his Dleague demotion will be enough to get Terrance Williams' head back into the game.

Carey
12-14-2010, 07:25 PM
Nets get 2 more 1st round picks as ammo to try to get Melo

JerseysFinest
12-14-2010, 07:25 PM
Houston is getting a terricfic player in T-Will. One of the most explosive guys in the league, and is only 23. Had a couple missteps, but he is a good kid. Wish him all the best

thedfactor
12-14-2010, 07:25 PM
Lakers Get: Joe Smith
Nets Get: Sasha, Lakers 2011 First, Houston 2012 First
Rockets get: TWillDamn 2 first rd picks, Nets make good trades when it comes to draft picks


Why would Houston trade a 1st rounder for a guy just sent to the D-League. This makes no sense.T Will got send there because he wasn't seeing eye to eye with Avery, he's way better than DLeague. I think he averaged like 28ppg 11 rpg and 11apg down there.

J4KOP99
12-14-2010, 07:25 PM
That can't be right. Unless they have decided they won't want to pay a 1st round pick next year. They are wayyyy over the cap and will continue to be for the next few years.

I still don't believe that is the correct deal though.

zambo4president
12-14-2010, 07:25 PM
:laugh2: Joe Smith

WolvesJagsOs
12-14-2010, 07:26 PM
Rockets got a steal imo.

thedfactor
12-14-2010, 07:26 PM
Wait a second... The Lakers are giving up Sasha and their 2011 1st rd pick?... for Joe Smith?Really Joe Smith? Man that sucks for the Lakers. I could see them wanting Troy Murphy.

m26555
12-14-2010, 07:27 PM
Why would Houston trade a 1st rounder for a guy just sent to the D-League. This makes no sense.
Because he is RIDICULOUSLY talented...

Look at the numbers Williams put up in the second half of last season. He was an animal.

cheetos185
12-14-2010, 07:28 PM
That can't be right. Unless they have decided they won't want to pay a 1st round pick next year. They are wayyyy over the cap and will continue to be for the next few years.

I still don't believe that is the correct deal though.

lakers are stacked this is a budget move for them ..for houstan if pick is protected than good trade for both sides

AI4MVP
12-14-2010, 07:28 PM
houston get a steal. T Will is a damn good player. Id love to have him on the suns. damn :/

Robbw241
12-14-2010, 07:29 PM
If TWill can

A)Stop turning the ball over
B) Get a decent jump shot

he will be a beast.

HoopsDrive
12-14-2010, 07:29 PM
There goes the 3peat.

Gators123
12-14-2010, 07:29 PM
twitter-

@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
As @KevinDing points out, Lakers would be willing to include a 1st to dump Vujacic's $5.5M for Smith's $1.35M contract.

JerseysFinest
12-14-2010, 07:29 PM
this seems like a cost cutting move on L.A.'s part.

netsgiantsyanks
12-14-2010, 07:31 PM
:cry: i thought t-will was going to have a future in nj. what the nets need to do though is try to find a way to get shane battier too. we need a sf

J4KOP99
12-14-2010, 07:32 PM
lakers are stacked this is a budget move for them ..for houstan if pick is protected than good trade for both sides

Yes, but why give up a 1st round pick in that deal? You're telling me the Nets needed another pick in that deal in order to give up Joe Smith?


Smith hasn't been doing anything at all this year, Im surprised the Lakers needed to add their 1st round pick in the deal..


However, Smith adds some experienced size to the Lakers which will help them out for now. Gasol needs some rest and now with Bynum coming back and the possibility of Smith, added with caracter, we are getting some depth back in the front court.

mgeise
12-14-2010, 07:33 PM
Wait a second... The Lakers are giving up Sasha and their 2011 1st rd pick?... for Joe Smith?

They do save double the difference in Vujacic's and Smith's salaries, though, due to the luxury tax. Vujacic is making $5,475,113 and Smith is making $1,352,181, so they will save a prorated $8,245,864 for the year. Plus, they won't be shackled to a guaranteed contract for a first round pick, who would likely end up sitting the bench for them anyways.

thedfactor
12-14-2010, 07:35 PM
Sasha has to be the most bummed. His LA life will be in Newark, NJ.

Giraffes Rule
12-14-2010, 07:36 PM
Let's not forget that the Lakers first round pick will be one of the latest picks in the first round, so it's not like they're giving up a pick that would lead to a star player.

Carey
12-14-2010, 07:37 PM
Its nothing wrong with Joe Smith for the Lakers, solid emergency big that is sound on both ends and hits open jumpers. If they didnt trade their first round pick in this trade they'd probably sell it before or during the draft.

Blazers#1Fan
12-14-2010, 07:38 PM
blazers get in this

Nets get: Rudy Fernandez
Portland gets: TWill 1st from houston
Houston gets:Luke Babbit and 2nd from portland

Chacarron
12-14-2010, 07:39 PM
blazers get in this

Nets get: Rudy Fernandez
Portland gets: TWill 1st from houston
Houston gets:Luke Babbit and 2nd from portland

:laugh:

JerseysFinest
12-14-2010, 07:40 PM
is the houston pick the pick ny sent them last season in the mcgrady deal?

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-14-2010, 07:41 PM
blazers get in this

Nets get: Rudy Fernandez
Portland gets: TWill 1st from houston
Houston gets:Luke Babbit and 2nd from portland

WHat?!??!?!?

No the Nets want picks and TWIll has more potential then Fernandez..

J4KOP99
12-14-2010, 07:41 PM
They do save double the difference in Vujacic's and Smith's salaries, though, due to the luxury tax. Vujacic is making $5,475,113 and Smith is making $1,352,181, so they will save a prorated $8,245,864 for the year. Plus, they won't be shackled to a guaranteed contract for a first round pick, who would likely end up sitting the bench for them anyways.

Yup.

Blazers#1Fan
12-14-2010, 07:42 PM
Let's not forget that the Lakers first round pick will be one of the latest picks in the first round, so it's not like they're giving up a pick that would lead to a star player.

you never know thats the point of the draft there can be a star thru the whole draft

all picked in the 2nd round

Arenas
Manu
Rodman
Boozer
Rashard Lewis
M.Redd
Ariza

J4KOP99
12-14-2010, 07:43 PM
is the houston pick the pick ny sent them last season in the mcgrady deal?

You mean the Knicks pick that could have easily helped their chances of bringing in Carmelo Anthony...?


They just had to go after an old McGrady didn't they?

netsgiantsyanks
12-14-2010, 07:43 PM
now that i think about this, if this **** goes through, the nets got raped. come on, t-will for sasha vuja*****???

Chacarron
12-14-2010, 07:45 PM
The Nets should have asked for Jordan Hill as well.

JerseysFinest
12-14-2010, 07:46 PM
You mean the Knicks pick that could have easily helped their chances of bringing in Carmelo Anthony...?


They just had to go after an old McGrady didn't they?

yeah the Knicks 2012 draft pick that we consistently hear they regret trading so they could possibly use in a Carmelo Anthony deal

netsgiantsyanks
12-14-2010, 07:47 PM
we already have hump and derrick favors.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2010, 07:47 PM
Isnt Sasha a dirty player

Kashmir13579
12-14-2010, 07:48 PM
Does that mean the Rockets might be looking to trade Martin?

hey nice sig, did you guys win that game or not..? i truthfully can't remember. all i remember is drose being benched the whole fourth quarter. :D

shep33
12-14-2010, 07:54 PM
I don't think the Lakeshow really care about draft picks in all honesty... they have 2 talented 2nd rounders that never get to play, and that 1st round pick is gonna be just about like a 2nd rounder in what looks to be a very weak draft. Getting rid of Vujacic also gives them money to play with, and Smith is atleast serviceable for 5-10 min stretches.

5ass
12-14-2010, 07:55 PM
nets should ask for courtney lee
nets:sasha,lee, LA pick
lakers:joe smith
houston:t-will

ChI_ShIzzLe
12-14-2010, 07:57 PM
hey nice sig, did you guys win that game or not..? i truthfully can't remember. all i remember is drose being benched the whole fourth quarter. :D

If he played in the 4th, the outcome would've been different. Yall lucky. And tell Gallinari not to jump next time cuz it aint worth it.

Gators123
12-14-2010, 07:58 PM
STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
To make room for Terrence Williams' arrival in three-way w/Lakers and Nets, Houston to deal Jermaine Taylor to SAC for future second-rounder


http://twitter.com/#!/STEIN_LINE_HQ

Scott W
12-14-2010, 07:59 PM
Let's not forget that the Lakers first round pick will be one of the latest picks in the first round, so it's not like they're giving up a pick that would lead to a star player.

Plenty of stars have been drafted in the late first round bud...

RaiderLakersA's
12-14-2010, 07:59 PM
If this trade goes through, welcome aboard Joe Smith, and fond farewell to the Machine.

No worries, Sasha, you will go down in Lakers lore as the man that came into Game 7 of the Finals against are arch-nemesis and calmly hit both free throws to seal the victory. Once a Laker always a Laker.

lvlheaded
12-14-2010, 07:59 PM
I understand the Lakers dumping salary but to give up that first round pick to do it? A little much considering Sasha wasnt totally awful, better than Joe Smith

shep33
12-14-2010, 08:00 PM
you never know thats the point of the draft there can be a star thru the whole draft

all picked in the 2nd round

Arenas
Manu
Rodman
Boozer
Rashard Lewis
M.Redd
Ariza

Yeah, but LA's team should be similar this year to next year. Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter seem to be pretty decent players, especially Ebanks, but neither of them get to play because Ebanks is playing behind Matt Barnes and Ron Artest... Caracter behind Pau, LO, Bynum, Ratliff.

I actually like it for the Lakers... get another big, Sasha is just sitting on the bench at this point, he's capable of playing pesky defense but again he's playing behind Kobe, Shannon Brown, and at times Steve Blake.

arkanian215
12-14-2010, 08:01 PM
Lakers: Save money
Nets: Get picks and maybe get rid of someone not working out behind the scenes.
Rockets: Obtain a versatile player who could fill in 1, 2 or 3.

210Don
12-14-2010, 08:02 PM
why lakers give 1st round pick??? for smith??? thats puzzling this might not be correct lakers have to get someone...

netsgiantsyanks
12-14-2010, 08:02 PM
nets should ask for courtney lee
nets:sasha,lee, LA pick
lakers:joe smith
houston:t-will

that makes no sense. why trade for someone they just traded 4 months ago?

shep33
12-14-2010, 08:04 PM
I understand the Lakers dumping salary but to give up that first round pick to do it? A little much considering Sasha wasnt totally awful, better than Joe Smith

Yeah, kinda weird that they're giving up a pick, but like I said, I think Ebanks and Caracter who are two talented players will go to the D-league and comeback next year as 2 players that can play consistently for this team. So in a way those 2 will be their picks, and they've got most of their players locked down for next year I believe. Except Shannon Brown and Matt Barnes who can opt out.

Allstar21
12-14-2010, 08:05 PM
salary dump by the lakers

shannon brown has made SV worthless

ESaady
12-14-2010, 08:05 PM
wow. lol. weird ****ing trade

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-14-2010, 08:11 PM
Cap saving move by the lakers

JFresh_#8Nets
12-14-2010, 08:12 PM
Nets get Kobe and Gasol

Lakers get 2022 2nd rounder

$KnicksAndKobe$
12-14-2010, 08:12 PM
Could it be possible that those picks are going to Denver?



I don't understand why Nets would trade T-Will for a couple of picks

thedfactor
12-14-2010, 08:13 PM
I still want to know if the Rockets plan to play Williams next to Martin. Shane Battier has been the starting SF for what seems like forever, but I believe he's expiring. It's possible the Rockets start by bring Williams off the bench, but eventually he should start on that team. If I'm Houston I'd keep Martin to play with TWill and look to move Battier to a solid team looking for a good vet.

Slimsim
12-14-2010, 08:15 PM
NJ can give Denver 4 first round picks for Melo along with Murphy to even it out financially. This is much bigger than T. Will

JFresh_#8Nets
12-14-2010, 08:16 PM
NJ can give Denver 4 first round picks for Melo along with Murphy to even it out financially. This is much bigger than T. Will

I was thinking the same.

JerseysFinest
12-14-2010, 08:17 PM
NJ can give Denver 4 first round picks for Melo along with Murphy to even it out financially. This is much bigger than T. Will

And we have a winner! :)

thedfactor
12-14-2010, 08:17 PM
Could it be possible that those picks are going to Denver?



I don't understand why Nets would trade T-Will for a couple of picks

Ken Berger KBerg_CBS

Updated @CBSSports story on the #Nets launching the final phase of their Melo plan. #Nuggets #NBA http://bit.ly/hrWBcW
I'd say it looks that way.

ChI_ShIzzLe
12-14-2010, 08:17 PM
NJ can give Denver 4 first round picks for Melo along with Murphy to even it out financially. This is much bigger than T. Will

NJ can give Denver a lot, but thats not the issue as Melo hasn't indicated he's gonna stay in NJ.

Raph12
12-14-2010, 08:17 PM
I guess LA getting rid of Sasha what-a-chich is enough for them...

JFresh_#8Nets
12-14-2010, 08:17 PM
you watching the game JF??

netsgiantsyanks
12-14-2010, 08:18 PM
^i.e. the nets. INCLUDE BATTIER TOO

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-14-2010, 08:18 PM
we lost our pick also:facepalm:

JerseysFinest
12-14-2010, 08:19 PM
you watching the game JF??

yeah why

thedfactor
12-14-2010, 08:19 PM
Still the question isn't whether or not Denver would take those picks AND Murphy. They most definitely would. It's the Nets having a real sense Carmelo wouldn't screw them by not extending and leaving them empty handed.

JFresh_#8Nets
12-14-2010, 08:19 PM
^i.e. the nets. INCLUDE BATTIER TOO

Woww Morrow's hurt

JFresh_#8Nets
12-14-2010, 08:20 PM
yeah why

hop on the game thread

JB0B0
12-14-2010, 08:21 PM
If the Nets can acquire Melo without giving up Harris or Lopez, who says they can't be good? They'd have a lineup of Harris, Morrow, Melo, ?, and Lopez. They could do some damage. Not to mention, they have a fairly reputable coach in Avery Johnson.

Fool
12-14-2010, 08:22 PM
The argument of "plenty of stars have been late-1st-round picks" doesn't really matter to me that much, because more non-stars have been born out of late-1sts than stars. Plus, there's no room for anyone on the Lakers roster as it is. And we get rid of a $5mil contract that's just sitting on the bench, worthless. DNP after DNP.

J4KOP99
12-14-2010, 08:25 PM
Wrong thread

Slimsim
12-14-2010, 08:26 PM
NJ can give Denver a lot, but thats not the issue as Melo hasn't indicated he's gonna stay in NJ.

Denver will Not get a better deal. That's good for a team planning on rebuilding

thedfactor
12-14-2010, 08:29 PM
Vujacic still in uniform for Lakers on the bench, haha

Slimsim
12-14-2010, 08:29 PM
Still the question isn't whether or not Denver would take those picks AND Murphy. They most definitely would. It's the Nets having a real sense Carmelo wouldn't screw them by not extending and leaving them empty handed.

No way in hell nets trade those picks without melo Sign the extension

JerseysFinest
12-14-2010, 08:29 PM
If Denver accepted Murphy and 4 firsts for Carmelo, I think every nets fan would organize a huge parade down Mulberry St. in Newark honoring King and every person in NJ would bow down to him

Slimsim
12-14-2010, 08:31 PM
Vujacic still in uniform for Lakers on the bench, haha

Can you imagine if he force himself to stay as a laker and refuse to go to NJ

$KnicksAndKobe$
12-14-2010, 08:31 PM
If the Nets can acquire Melo without giving up Harris or Lopez, who says they can't be good? They'd have a lineup of Harris, Morrow, Melo, ?, and Lopez. They could do some damage. Not to mention, they have a fairly reputable coach in Avery Johnson.

I don't see why Melo would extend with the Nets,
They got the worst record in the East and are stuck in New Jersey for two years.

Would a deal for Melo just include Murphy and the picks, I doubt it.
They should of just kept T-Will and developed him

AddiX
12-14-2010, 08:32 PM
If the Nets can acquire Melo without giving up Harris or Lopez, who says they can't be good? They'd have a lineup of Harris, Morrow, Melo, ?, and Lopez. They could do some damage. Not to mention, they have a fairly reputable coach in Avery Johnson.

The problem with the Nets is that no one wants to go there because everyone knows they are moving to BK soon. No player and no players agent wants to deal with new management, new stadium, and all the problems that will go along with it.

Plus, no one knows how popular they will be in BK. The Nets current fan base in non-existent so they will be completely rebuilding.

You don't have to worry about that with the Knicks. Even though we have been terrible year after year, we still ranked in the top 5 in ticket sales every year.

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astrosmaniac
12-14-2010, 08:37 PM
I still want to know if the Rockets plan to play Williams next to Martin. Shane Battier has been the starting SF for what seems like forever, but I believe he's expiring. It's possible the Rockets start by bring Williams off the bench, but eventually he should start on that team. If I'm Houston I'd keep Martin to play with TWill and look to move Battier to a solid team looking for a good vet.

they want t-will to be a spark off the bench IMO. lee has started to play better offensively recently but overall is still having a bad season on offense. Bud isnt playing anywhere near close to what he was last year. with brooks and yao hurt we have had 0 offense off the bench. if he can backup the 2 and 3 well than hell find playing time.

its interesting that they gave up on taylor though. set a recond for most amount of $ paid for a 2nd round pick in order to get him, only to never let him play

ChI_ShIzzLe
12-14-2010, 08:40 PM
Denver will Not get a better deal. That's good for a team planning on rebuilding

Well obviously the Nets have had the best package forever, but like I said..no extension with NJ, no trade.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-14-2010, 08:42 PM
Can you imagine if he force himself to stay as a laker and refuse to go to NJ

He's a PIMP, he could do that

shep33
12-14-2010, 08:48 PM
Can you imagine if he force himself to stay as a laker and refuse to go to NJ

I'll miss Sasha... but in regards to your comment i think Sharapova has more power over that matter than Sasha lol

JordansBulls
12-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Lakers adding size in case Bynum gets injured again or in case they need to rest Pau a few games.

sintaks12
12-14-2010, 09:02 PM
Well obviously the Nets have had the best package forever, but like I said..no extension with NJ, no trade.

This. Trade makes no sense.

Trouble87
12-14-2010, 09:07 PM
Houston got a nice lil young core if this deal goes down

footballer2369
12-14-2010, 09:07 PM
^ It will make a ton of sense if the Nuggets didn't want T Will and the Nets can get Melo without trading Favors...

arkanian215
12-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Can you imagine if he force himself to stay as a laker and refuse to go to NJ

He ain't a Devean George.

D Roses Bulls
12-14-2010, 09:14 PM
I predict a early divorce for sasha, maria thought she was marrying a laker.

NFLNBA
12-14-2010, 09:22 PM
Sasha doesnt play and either will smith so saving 8 mil then not having to pay a 1st round pick so its really just a $$$$ thing so good for everyone! Sasha and Farmer together again lol

Lakers will next move Waltons horrible contract

Mishmin
12-14-2010, 09:34 PM
Wow, big moves.. So does New Jersey pull the trigger on a Melo deal with no extension? Very interesting.

airronijordan
12-14-2010, 09:34 PM
I completely agree with Bergers report....I think the Nets did this trade so that they can sweeten their offer to the Nuggets, but I really dont think Melo wants to sign there.......And I really want to know who Bergers and Sheridans sources are bc both their reports this week sound very similar which makes me speculate that they got it from the same source (both Berger and Sheridan say that their source is very close to Melo....Sheridan even said yesterday that his story on Sunday was 100% accurate and that you can take it to the bank)........Based on those reports, I dont see how Melo signs an extension with NJ.............NJ's best chance to get Melo was prior to the season opener, they diminished their chances by currently having the worst record in the East

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-14-2010, 09:39 PM
Sasha doesnt play and either will smith so saving 8 mil then not having to pay a 1st round pick so its really just a $$$$ thing so good for everyone! Sasha and Farmer together again lol

Lakers will next move Waltons horrible contract

too bad its unmovable

sintaks12
12-14-2010, 09:40 PM
Wow, big moves.. So does New Jersey pull the trigger on a Melo deal with no extension? Very interesting.

If they do, Billy King should be fired lol. If something like that appears to be in the works, I think Melo just resigns with Denver. I just don't see him signing in NJ or walking to NY in FA and missing out on all that money.

Kyben36
12-14-2010, 09:41 PM
the rockets will probably be moving one of theri SGs, Lee, Martin and T Will are just too much not to have one moved.

yuns554
12-14-2010, 09:47 PM
so whos gonna start at SF for new jersey now?

Jets012
12-14-2010, 09:48 PM
so whos gonna start at SF for new jersey now?


Williams hasn't started a game this season, so probably Ross or Stephen Graham untill Outlaw can step up and take it back.

AddiX
12-14-2010, 09:58 PM
I don't think the Nets get Melo.

I do think the Nets will make out like bandits when the deadline hits though.

This league has become a league where bad teams purge rosters quicker than ever before. All these bad teams will be offering there top players left and right for those picks.

Yunqn
12-14-2010, 10:09 PM
Clearly most of you are dumb. the lakers did get something.in return.. cap space.. the draft pick is really a 2nd rounder and sasha isn't needed with brown cementing himself minutes..

Nj isnt as bad on this deal.. but given you let go of a young 1st round guy for a chance to get another chance at another makes little sense but in their eyes..2 1st round draft picks for really terrace Williams is not bad at all.. if anything they can really make a HUGE deal in the future..

Yunqn
12-14-2010, 10:14 PM
the rockets will probably be moving one of theri SGs, Lee, Martin and T Will are just too much not to have one moved.

I think its most likely Martin.. yaos health really hurted their chances at a title if any.. its either this is to be added in a package for something else.. or its officially clear in their minds that while.guys like brooks are young.. start over with a lot of talented pieces.. they know yao isn't coming back to his old form.. I think Martin next imo.

Knicks21
12-14-2010, 10:19 PM
NJ can give Denver a lot, but thats not the issue as Melo hasn't indicated he's gonna stay in NJ.

This. The nets deal at the start of the season was good enough for the nuggets. Its just that Anthony is hesitant on going long term with the nets.

Slimsim
12-14-2010, 10:28 PM
Still think NJ Should go For Agent Zero they are desperate for Scoring

Slimsim
12-14-2010, 10:31 PM
At least billy King is Stocking on first round picks instead of trading them away

Chill_Will_24
12-14-2010, 10:34 PM
Why trade TWill? Why? It wasn't worth it. The Nets are not getting Melo and even if they do if Favors is still in the deal its not worth it. TWill has so much potential it's scary. He just didn't wanna be there. If anything he mightve been doing all those immature things to force a trade...

Slimsim
12-14-2010, 10:40 PM
Why trade TWill? Why? It wasn't worth it. The Nets are not getting Melo and even if they do if Favors is still in the deal its not worth it. TWill has so much potential it's scary. He just didn't wanna be there. If anything he mightve been doing all those immature things to force a trade...

He will haunt you if he becomes half the player you thought he was.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2010, 10:43 PM
The picks will still be worth something if its not for Melo you can still make trades for good players, draft picks are very valuable!

arkanian215
12-14-2010, 10:58 PM
He will haunt you if he becomes half the player you thought he was.

imo he has good tools but I think a lot of Nets fans got caught up in his flash and swag that he showed when he had the ball in his hand. He needs the ball in his hands to make use of his best attributes. If he's given time I think he can be an average scorer, above average rebounder and distributor. He still needs to work on his decision making on and off the court.

NBA-GMaster
12-14-2010, 11:01 PM
I somehow lost in faith with Mr. Morey, he traded a 1st rd pick for twill and "Taylor for 2nd pick".. :facepalm: We got Martin, Lee, Budinger and Battier, how on earth we gonna use Twill?? Hmm.. maybe he'll play in Dleague make the Vipers win their 2nd championship..

netsgiantsyanks
12-14-2010, 11:12 PM
I predict a early divorce for sasha, maria thought she was marrying a laker.

:laugh: true

xabial
12-14-2010, 11:21 PM
billy king is a beast..

Now he has four first round picks to Trade. Thats a huge Trade asset. He owns three first round picks and The Nets pick. You now own the Rockets,Goldenstate's,Lakers,and your draft picks. Those picks can go a long way Melo Or No Melo. Now Kign can retool this franchise by trying to get carmelo for all four, or Being Creative in offering them on the Trade Market.

Face it people even with Twill the nets werent going no where. Their roster clearly has the talent, just lacks Maturity.

203 Uconn LaL
12-14-2010, 11:21 PM
I got excited I thought we were getting t will. But we have to be getting more than Joe smith if were giving up a 1st rounder. Sash came up big for us last year in that phoenix series.

JerseysFinest
12-14-2010, 11:30 PM
Why trade TWill? Why? It wasn't worth it. The Nets are not getting Melo and even if they do if Favors is still in the deal its not worth it. TWill has so much potential it's scary. He just didn't wanna be there. If anything he mightve been doing all those immature things to force a trade...

Terrence Williams was one of the few guys who was content playing in NJ, never complained about the scene, was very humble. Unlike Courtney Lee, who forced himself out. He does have a lot of potential, but he was never in their plans for the future. Seemingly when Johnson took over the team and reviewed his players, he realized he wouldn't need T-WILL. He even had initial confusion as to how to use him, not sure how he would fit into the rotation. We did a good job of overrating him to some point, all those flashy dunks and passes were nice, but they covered many flaws in his game, which we acted oblivious to. I'm not exactly psyched about the deal, but snagging a decent shooter and 2 1st round draft picks is not bad at all

godolphins
12-15-2010, 12:11 AM
I hope the Nets use those pick to get Melo

kblo247
12-15-2010, 12:13 AM
I said why LA did this deal in the Laker forum:



Where does Sasha get time? Fish, Blake, Kobe, Shannon, Ron, Barnes, and Luke are all perimeter players that essentially have played out of place because they had no backup big that could be counted on.

Now Bynum just returned, they got Smith, and Theo returns on Christmas so they essentially have the same makeup they had last year position wise for the active roster.

- Joe and Theo replaced DJ and Josh
- Blake and Barnes essentially replaced Farmar and Sasha

The rooks are d-league bound which is where Phil has wanted them to be all year.

I don't see the problem especially with giving away the pick either as first rounders are guaranteed money and kept on the books, unlike second rounders. That money can easily be used to re-sign Brown and Barnes (don't have his bird rights) just like those picks that LA sold in 09 were used to pay Odom. Plus Caracter and Ebanks cost less combined, and the league pays part of Joe's salary

Add these facts to that statement

According to Larry Coon, the Lakers gained a trade exception for $5,475,113
LA already has 3 second round picks next year according to KCAL so that first was meaningless especially since you can get talent in the second round and not have to keep them on the books
KCAL said LA are set to save over 8mil on their luxury tax bill now

Plus if you are the Lakers you honestly don't mind helping get Melo away from Denver and eliminating what honestly is their toughest rival when healthy out west (sorry San Antonio, OKC, Utah, and Dallas but a healthy Denver would give LA way more problems)

shep33
12-15-2010, 12:22 AM
I read somewhere that the Lakers actually saved $9 mill with this deal... Sasha's is contract had about $5.5 mill left, but you take into account the Lakers are over the luxury tax, and even more money gets taken off... pretty great deal for the Lakers, gives them more flexibilty to resign Shannon Brown or Matt Barnes if they decide to opt out, or another solid FA.

DreamShaker
12-15-2010, 12:25 AM
I somehow lost in faith with Mr. Morey, he traded a 1st rd pick for twill and "Taylor for 2nd pick".. :facepalm: We got Martin, Lee, Budinger and Battier, how on earth we gonna use Twill?? Hmm.. maybe he'll play in Dleague make the Vipers win their 2nd championship..

It's lottery protected. Not a huge risk.

210Don
12-15-2010, 12:38 AM
I said why LA did this deal in the Laker forum:



Add these facts to that statement

According to Larry Coon, the Lakers gained a trade exception for $5,475,113
LA already has 3 second round picks next year according to KCAL so that first was meaningless especially since you can get talent in the second round and not have to keep them on the books
KCAL said LA are set to save over 8mil on their luxury tax bill now

Plus if you are the Lakers you honestly don't mind helping get Melo away from Denver and eliminating what honestly is their toughest rival when healthy out west (sorry San Antonio, OKC, Utah, and Dallas but a healthy Denver would give LA way more problems)
lol at this laker fan....

Chill_Will_24
12-15-2010, 12:53 AM
Seems the Nets might get Melo after all.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/26450495

The same guy that said Melo wouldn't come to the Nets is now changing his tune. Smh these reporters are a joke

s3antana5757
12-15-2010, 01:23 AM
Lakers couldn't get TWill in this deal? Anyways, the TPE should help if it's used and Joe Smith might see some PT instead of that piece of garbage Sasha.

kblo247
12-15-2010, 01:29 AM
lol at this laker fan....

lol, Duncan, Pop, and the Spurs are Phil and Kobe's playoff ***** to be blunt just like Utah :eyebrow:

Lakeshow86
12-15-2010, 01:54 AM
it was just a cost cutting move on the lakers part. Lakers are saving 8 million dollars. why pay all that money for nothing? the first round pick is a late pick so its not like they will be giving up a player that will turn into a star player. That pick would be sitting on the bench anyway with the lakers so stacked. The lakers would probably have sold the pick anyway. The 1st round pick isnt very valuable to the lakers.

John Walls Era
12-15-2010, 01:55 AM
Great trade. Avery Johnson wasn't a fan because he was late a few times to practice or w.e. but this kid can play. Hes actually a decent playmaker, a [avg] point-forward if you will. Should fit in great for the Rockets.

Does anyone know if the future pick is protected?

arkanian215
12-15-2010, 02:13 AM
Great trade. Avery Johnson wasn't a fan because he was late a few times to practice or w.e. but this kid can play. Hes actually a decent playmaker, a [avg] point-forward if you will. Should fit in great for the Rockets.

Does anyone know if the future pick is protected?

Lottery protected. SMH.

Go Dodgers!
12-15-2010, 02:34 AM
I don't think the Lakeshow really care about draft picks in all honesty... they have 2 talented 2nd rounders that never get to play, and that 1st round pick is gonna be just about like a 2nd rounder in what looks to be a very weak draft. Getting rid of Vujacic also gives them money to play with, and Smith is atleast serviceable for 5-10 min stretches.

^^This .. Laker's can careless about a 1st rd pick, This team is built on free agents and trades now they have money freed up which is more important..

John Walls Era
12-15-2010, 02:50 AM
Lottery protected. SMH.

Great

Korman12
12-15-2010, 03:05 AM
So, the Nets give up on T. Will, the 11th pick from last year's draft, for Sasha, the Laker's pick, which is almost guaranteed to be between 25-30, in the next draft, and Houston's 2012 first (protected).

Houston gets T. Will and gives up the protected future first.

Lakers get Joe Smith and lose Sasha and their 2011 first.

Great for Houston, who also sent Jermaine Taylor to SAC for their second rounder.

Edit: I take it back, I have no idea how to gauge this.

effen5
12-15-2010, 03:31 AM
If Nets can get Melo without giving up Harris or Lopez, dear god, that team is going to be scary in a few years....

NBA-GMaster
12-15-2010, 03:45 AM
The Melo's chase will starts now.. NJ vs NY..
NJ got 3 1st rd picks, Harris and Favors/Murphy
NY got Fields, Gallinari/Chandler, Curry's contract and Randolph

MickeyMgl
12-15-2010, 03:58 AM
so wat does Lakers get? CHUCK HAYES? NTY O.O

They get to save a boatload of money. They liked Sasha, but not his salary and especially not his salary for his reduced role this season. They also didn't want any part of that 1st-round pick, and the 3-year obligation. They're looking to save every penny they can. Brown and Barnes are likely to opt out at the end of the season, and the team's only chance to re-sign either of them is to save, save, save.... if they even re-sign them at all. What the next CBA looks like is going to have everything to say about that.

For the Lakers, it's a PURE salary dump. They traded an expiring contract for a smaller expiring contract, and a player who will likely play even less than Vujacic. As I've read it, the savings for the Lakers is more than $10,000,000 in salary and tax (for Vujacic and the 1st-round player).

MickeyMgl
12-15-2010, 04:02 AM
Joe Smith?... I guess he will help. Who really cares, come playoff time I doubt he get's many minutes.

He won't help on the court. His contract is just cheaper than Sasha's, and it also expires. The Lakers could have let Vujacic's contract go off the books at the end of the season, but in the meantime, they pay it PLUS the tax on it, AND if they kept the 1st-round pick, they'd be obligated to it (salary + tax) for the next three years.

iFYouSeekAmy
12-15-2010, 04:27 AM
Nets have the pieces; now it's up to Melo to decide.

Who's down for a one-year rental?

arkanian215
12-15-2010, 04:29 AM
Nets have the pieces; now it's up to Melo to decide.

Who's down for a one-year rental?

What would a one year rental of Melo cost? It really ain't worth it if you still miss playoffs. You just end up with a worse lottery pick.

Htownballa1622
12-15-2010, 04:43 AM
Rockets pick sent is protected! Welcome terrance!

Niro
12-15-2010, 07:16 AM
i guess lakers get like 5 cookies for sascha

DitchDat
12-15-2010, 07:38 AM
I think that the Lakers got Joe Smith 2 years too late, he will not be of much use

On a sidenote, are the Rockets trying to acquire every shooting guard from the Nets?

Method28
12-15-2010, 07:51 AM
you never know thats the point of the draft there can be a star thru the whole draft

all picked in the 2nd round

Arenas
Manu
Rodman
Boozer
Rashard Lewis
M.Redd
Ariza

As a Hornets fan....PLEASE dont ever put Ariza on the same list with these guys. He's been atrocious.

Nets fan 93
12-15-2010, 04:32 PM
I like this for the Nets. T-Will and whoever the PG was whether it was Farmar or Harris just didnt work. T-Will is a nice player but not in the Nets style of play. Farmar and Harris looked frustrated because T-Will would over dribble a lot. Vujacic will get a lot more time in NJ and the picks in return are nice. T-Will has a lot of potential but oh well. Billy King said he would be shaking things up... We'll see what else is done.

s3antana5757
12-15-2010, 05:15 PM
As a Hornets fan....PLEASE dont ever put Ariza on the same list with these guys. He's been atrocious.

Walton for Ariza?

Sly Guy
12-15-2010, 05:53 PM
Why would Houston trade a 1st rounder for a guy just sent to the D-League. This makes no sense.

I can't count the amount of times I have been entertained by watching your sig on constant repeat.

Reminds me of Prince Naseem! haha