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Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 05:24 AM
From the site that I respect the most regarding prospects. Here is their preliminary top 100 prospects

http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=2248


The following are the top 100 prospects for 2011. The rankings are a work in progress and we will update regularly. Feedback is always appreciated, so if you see any prospects you think we overrated or underrated, definitely let us know.

1. Domonic Brown—OF, Phillies
2. Bryce Harper—OF, Nationals
3. Mike Trout—OF, Angels
4. Jeremy Hellickson—P, Rays
5. Aroldis Chapman—P, Reds
6. Dustin Ackley—2B, Mariners
7. Mike Moustakas— 3B, Royals
8. Julio Teheran—P, Braves
9. Jesus Montero—C, Yankees
10. Desmond Jennings—OF, Rays
11. Eric Hosmer—1B, Royals
12. Kyle Drabek—P, Blue Jays
13. Brandon Belt—1B, Giants
14. Michael Pineda—P, Mariners
15. Wil Myers—C, Royals
16. Matt Moore—P, Rays
17. Jameson Taillon—P, Pirates
18. Freddie Freeman—1B, Braves
19. Zach Britton—P, Orioles
20. Jarrod Parker—P, Diamondbacks
21. Mike Minor—P, Braves
22. Lonnie Chisenhall—3B, Indians
23. Manny Machado—SS, Orioles
24. Jordan Lyles—P, Astros
25. Jonathan Singleton—1B, Phillies
26. Tyler Matzek—P, Rockies
27. Grant Green—SS, Athletics
28. Mike Montgomery—P, Royals
29. Brett Jackson—OF, Cubs
30. Miguel Sano—3B, Twins
31. Shelby Miller—P, Cardinals
32. Nick Franklin—SS, Mariners
33. Wilin Rosario—C, Rockies
34. Kyle Gibson—P, Twins
35. Jennry Mejia—P, Mets
36. Chris Carter—1B/OF, Athletics
37. Brett Lawrie—2B, Blue Jays
38. John Lamb—P, Royals
39. Zach Cox—3B, Cardinals
40. Simon Castro— P, Padres
41. Chris Archer—P, Cubs
42. Jason Kipnis—2B, Indians
43. Dee Gordon—SS, Dodgers
44. Tanner Scheppers—P, Rangers
45. Jarred Cosart—P, Phillies
46. Jurickson Profar—SS, Rangers
47. Martin Perez—P, Rangers
48. Gary Sanchez—C, Yankees
49. Alex White—P, Indians
50. Yasmani Grandal—C, Reds
51. Jose Iglesias—SS, Red Sox
52. Michael Choice—OF, Athletics
53. Jacob Turner— P, Tigers
54. Yonder Alonso—1B, Reds
55. Danny Duffy—P, Royals
56. Billy Hamilton—2B, Reds
57. Trayvon Robinson—OF, Dodgers
58. Randall Delgado—P, Braves
59. Devin Mesorasco—C, Reds
60. Nick Weglarz—OF, Indians
61. Drew Pomeranz—P, Indians
62. Hank Conger—C, Angels
63. Chris Sale—P, White Sox
64. Carlos Perez—P, Braves
65. Anthony Gose—OF, Blue Jays
66. Arodys Vizcaino—P, Braves
67. Brody Colvin—P, Phillies
68. Dellin Betances—P, Yankees
69. Tony Sanchez—C, Pirates
70. Zach Lee—P, Dodgers
71. Chris Dwyer—P, Royals
72. Jake McGee—P, Rays
73. Wilson Ramos— C, Nationals
74. Jean Segura—2B, Angels
75. Austin Romine— C, Yankees
76. Christian Colon—SS, Royals
77. Trey McNutt—P, Cubs
78. Aaron Hicks—OF, Twins
79. Alexander Colome—P, Rays
80. Derek Norris—C, Nationals
81. Casey Kelly—P, Padres
82. JP Arencebia—C, Blue Jays
83. Tyler Chatwood—P, Angels
84. Danny Espinoza—SS, Nationals
85. Kenley Jansen—P, Dodgers
86. Matt Dominguez—3B, Marlins
87. Anthony Rizzo—1B, Padres
88. Josh Sale—OF, Rays
89. Deck McGuire—Blue Jays
90. Robbie Erlin—P, Rangers
91. Ben Revere—OF, Twins
92. Jake Odorizzi—P, Brewers
93. Tyler Skaggs—P, Diamondbacks
94. Gerry Sands—OF, Dodgers
95. Travis D’Arnaud—C, Blue Jays
96. Engel Beltre—OF, Rangers
97. Corey Luebke—P, Padres
98. Andrew Brackman—P, Yankees
99. Jared Mitchell—OF, White Sox
100 (tie). Nolan Arenado—3B, Rockies
100 (tie). Oswaldo Arcia—OF, Twins
100 (tie). Adeiny Hechavarria—SS, Blue Jays

SFGiants4life
12-14-2010, 05:26 AM
Damn, Giants only have 1 in there....but he was the minor league player of the year in Belt, who is supposed to be a Buster Posey with more power

d79cheese
12-14-2010, 05:29 AM
Nice to see Brandon Belt get some love...if he starts the year at the big leagues he is my pick for the ROY, not because he is a Giant but because he already has an advanced approach at the plate much like Heyward did last year in his rookie season. Wouldn't surprise me to see Belt with a BB% around 13-14%.

SFGiants4life
12-14-2010, 05:31 AM
Nice to see Brandon Belt get some love...if he starts the year at the big leagues he is my pick for the ROY, not because he is a Giant but because he already has an advanced approach at the plate much like Heyward did last year in his rookie season. Wouldn't surprise me to see Belt with a BB% around 13-14%.

except he won't get called up til later like posey, i would love to see a full season but giants don't like to start rookies from day one

Dol-Fan
12-14-2010, 05:35 AM
7 Blue Jays, love seeing that after years of futility on the farm.

Anyone else find it hilarious that the Angels' top prospect is Mike Trout, and one of their all time greats is Tim Salmon? :laugh2: Probably been discussed to death but that cracks me up. I hope he has an amazing career with them just to see those two numbers next to each other in Angel Stadium.

VRP723
12-14-2010, 05:45 AM
5 Dodgers, I think Trayvon might be a little high, I don't see how he's a better prospect than Jerry Sands. Jerry by the way, not Gerry like this list says.

GoatMilk
12-14-2010, 05:47 AM
cracking the list as a reliever isnt bad right?
Kenley Jansen is a beast

More-Than-Most
12-14-2010, 05:47 AM
Lmao @ everyone *****ing about the Phillies future... 2 in the top 25 and 4 in the top 100... Suck on that. We trade guys and our other guys perform and get noticed... What a ****ing system.

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 05:49 AM
2 Cardinals....but they both crack the top 40.

Miller, with the basic injury caveats, is a real possible future ace...let's see how he does this season and if he can keep his insane k/ip ratio going.

Cox has to prove himself this year, he is fresh out of college.

And then Jenkins and Matias and Blair are off the top 100, which I think is fair. But could crack it this time next year.

Sickels and these guys are great at projecting stars, they easily whoop Baseball America's ***.

You guys should spend some time on their websites.

Best system this next season?

The Royals....couldn't agree more.

Dol-Fan
12-14-2010, 05:50 AM
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Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 05:52 AM
I only noticed 2 in the top 25, 3 in the top 45, 4 in the top 100. Still solid, just pointing that out...

:confused:

Sorry....but that's what he said.

Unless I missed something, he said 2 in the top 25 and 4 in the top 100

Dol-Fan
12-14-2010, 05:53 AM
:confused:

Sorry....but that's what he said.

Unless I missed something, he said 2 in the top 25 and 4 in the top 100

Unless I'm crazy, he ninja edited that. But it's late, I could be crazy.

Gigantes4Life
12-14-2010, 05:54 AM
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That's what he said.

Brandon Belt is a monster, surprised to see him that high though (I was expecting 25-30).

No Fun League
12-14-2010, 05:54 AM
1. Domonic Brown—OF, Phillies
25. Jonathan Singleton—1B, Phillies
45. Jarred Cosart—P, Phillies
67. Brody Colvin—P, Phillies

nyyfan4life
12-14-2010, 05:55 AM
So they have Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances but no Manny Banuelos? Banuelos is also a much better prospect than Austin Romine. Banuelos is also better than Casey Kelly who is top 75.

d79cheese
12-14-2010, 05:59 AM
except he won't get called up til later like posey, i would love to see a full season but giants don't like to start rookies from day one

I think he has a shot to be the opening day 1B. The fact they only signed Burrell for 1 million leads me to believe that they told Burrell he may not be the starter this year and instead be used more as a pinch hitter and spot starter. Sabean said he wanted to get more athletic and more left handed during this off season and the only logical player left either outside the organization or from within is Belt. If Belt has a great ST, I think the Giants bring him to start at 1B and move Huff to LF. If I had to guess I would probably say he starts in AAA, but I think there is a decent chance he starts from day 1.

papipapsmanny
12-14-2010, 06:05 AM
This list is awful

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 06:11 AM
So they have Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances but no Manny Banuelos? Banuelos is also a much better prospect than Austin Romine. Banuelos is also better than Casey Kelly who is top 75.

http://slidingintohome.blogspot.com/2010/08/john-sickels-revisits-yankees-top-20.html


The following is from John Sickels wonderful blog Minor League Ball, which I consider required reading for anyone with even the slightest interest in prospects. The rankings and ratings themselves are from his pre-season list (written on December 31, 2009), so keep in mind that these are not new or updated in anyway. Rather, this is Sickels' evaluation of his rankings.

1) Jesus Montero, C, Grade A: .277/.353/.472 overall in Triple-A, including .375/.446/.694 in his last 21 games. Still an elite bat. Defense remains rough, 14 passed balls in 84 games, thrown out 24%.

2) Austin Romine, C, Grade B: .270/.338/.401 in Double-A, fairly stout platoon splits at .880 OPS vs. lefties, .694 against right-handers. Defense needs help, has thrown out just 18% of runners.

3) Manny Banuelos, LHP, Grade B-: Pitching time limited but results impressive: 1.88 ERA, 55/15 K/BB in 38 innings, 30 hits allowed between 10 starts for High-A Tampa and two rehab outings in the GCL.

4) Zach McAllister, RHP, Grade B-: 4.81 ERA, 76/35 K/BB in 122 innings for Triple-A Scranton, 148 hits. Hitters seem to have finally caught up with his control artist.

5) Slade Heathcott, OF, Grade B-: .264/.361/.325 for Charleston in the Sally League, 11 steals. Tools type strikes out too much (61 in 50 games), but draws some walks. No power yet.

6) Mark Melancon, RHP, Grade B-: 3.41 ERA, 60/32 K/BB in 61 Triple-A innings, 68 hits, 2.67 GO/AO. Traded to Astros, I expect he will settle in as a solid reliever assuming his command improves a bit more.

7) Gary Sanchez, C, Grade C+: Tearing up the GCL, .357/.425/.602 so far in 26 games. Striking out in 26% of at-bats but his potential is obvious.

8) John "J.R." Murphy, C, Grade C+: .253/.307/.358 in 69 games for Charleston. Not showing much with bat yet. Defense needs work, has thrown out 24% of runners but made 11 errors and eight passed balls in 38 games behind the plate.

9) Kelvin De Leon, OF, Grade C+: .250/.304/.387 in 42 games for the Staten Island Yankees. Unimpressive, plate discipline is shaky, good tools.

10) D.J. Mitchell, RHP, Grade C+: 4.33 ERA for Trenton, 84/53 K/BB in 121 innings, 120 hits, 2.05 GO/AO. Not horrible, not good either, still has some potential to improve.

11) Wilkin De La Rosa, LHP, Grade C+: 5.52 ERA, 44/33 K/BB in 60 innings, 70 hits, 0.57 GO/AO. Everything has gone backwards this year.

12) David Adams, 2B, Grade C+: Great start at Trenton, .309/.393/.507 in 39 games, out with severe ankle/foot injury.

13) Corban Joseph, 2B-3B, Grade C+: .302/.378/.436 for Tampa. Just promoted to Trenton, is 6-for-24 so far. Solid year.

14) Adam Warren, RHP, Grade C+: 2.22 ERA with 67/17 K/BB in 81 innings for Tampa, 3.76 ERA with 24/9 K/BB in 26 innings for Trenton. Nothing to complain about there, a very nice season.

15) Neil Medchill, Of, Grade C+: .178/.260/.267 in 51 games for Tampa, .262/.354/.440 in 40 games for Charleston. Strikeouts a big problem, 112 in 321 at-bats.

16) David Phelps, RHP, Grade C+: 2.42 ERA, 117/30 K/BB in 127 innings between Trenton and Scranton, 109 hits allowed. Breakthrough campaign.

17) Andrew Brackman, RHP, Grade C: 5.10 ERA with 56/9 K/BB in 60 innings for Tampa, 4.53 ERA with 47/23 K/BB in 48 innings for Trenton. Has made progress with his command this year.

18) Jose Ramirez, RHP, Grade C: 3.12 ERA, 96/37 K/BB in 107 innings for Charleston, 91 hits. An impressive full-season debut.

19) Jeremy Bleich, LHP, Grade C. Torn labrum.

20) Bryan Mitchell, RHP, Grade C: 4.05 ERA, 27/18 K/BB in 33 innings for GCL Yankees, 24 hits. Unimpressive so far.
In my mind, Sickels is spot on with his analysis of each player listed. I expect a few players to make the leap onto his 2011 edition - namely Graham Stoneburner (whom he mentions in the article), Melky Mesa, Eduardo Nunez, and Dellin Betances - and a few to fall off of this list (McAllister, De La Rosa, Medchill, and Mitchell in particular).

I, for one, am curious to see how he'll view Montero, Banuelos, Heathcott, and Sanchez at the end of the year, as they appear to have the most promise (in terms of ceiling) in the system.

I know it's hard for fans to not over rate their prospects, but we all do it. Banuelos is probably right where he belongs

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 06:20 AM
This list is awful

Not enough Red Sox for ya huh?

They haven't done their top 20 Red Sox prospects yet, so I can't show ya their reasoning behind it yet.

But the Red Sox prospects seem to be overly hyped up by Red Sox nation as a whole every year...same thing happens in New York.

Really, you just don't have enough high ceiling guys anymore, they have all reached the big leagues

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 07:40 AM
He has only produced the top 20 prospects of the Mets, Orioles and Cardinals thus far, and has the other 27 teams to still explain...so the Yankees and Red Sox explanation will have to wait until he posts his explanations.

I think he may have already done the Cubs as well, not too sure yet

EaglesJackson10
12-14-2010, 08:10 AM
Lmao @ everyone *****ing about the Phillies future... 2 in the top 25 and 4 in the top 100... Suck on that. We trade guys and our other guys perform and get noticed... What a ****ing system.

Not to mention we have number one. I can't believe that he is still that high. I'm shocked he is ahead of Trout, Harper, and Chapman. But those guys all have higher ceilings.

hdanb
12-14-2010, 08:19 AM
What is the criteria of your 100 list. Major League ready? Pure Talent? Hype? You list left off 5 top Prospects that before the trade for Adrian Gonzales had the Redsox in the top 10 of farm system. RHP Casey Kelly, now with San Diego should be in the majors by mid 2012. He has top of the rotation stuff and above all, the poise of a No. 1 Starter. 1B Tony Rizzo will be the Padres starting 1st baseman by July 2011. Remember, he was diagnosed with cancer and had to take off 1 1/2 years to beat the disease. He is only 21.

Still in the redsox system are SP Anthony Ranaudo, 21, LHP Felix Doubrout, 23 and Lefty hitting outfielder Ryan Kalish. Doubrout was in the majors the end of last year and will start the year as a reliever in 2011. If Boston trades one of the Five starters, he will be in the rotation. Ranaudo will be ready in 2012. Kalish is an upgraded Jacoby Elsbury. He has power, a plus arm and is a better defender and can play all outfield positions. He will make Boston's outfield in 2012 (Crawford, Elsbury and Kalish) the fastest and best hitting outfield in the majors. They have the capability of stealing 200 bases a season, hitting 300, and earning gold gloves. Kalish is ready now, but is blocked by J D Drew. Drew has been injury prone and if he gets hurt of has a slow 2011 start Kalish will be the starting Right Fielder and should be AL Rookie of the year.

yankkiller
12-14-2010, 08:22 AM
Boston only has one guy in iggy, i believe the red sox's should have at least 3 aka Jose Iglesias, Ryan Kalish, and Stolmy Pimentel

Spiderman 1nner
12-14-2010, 08:38 AM
Lmao @ everyone *****ing about the Phillies future... 2 in the top 25 and 4 in the top 100... Suck on that. We trade guys and our other guys perform and get noticed... What a ****ing system.

yeaa whatever, braves got 3 in tha top 25 and 6 in tha top 100

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 08:39 AM
What is the criteria of your 100 list. Major League ready? Pure Talent? Hype? You list left off 5 top Prospects that before the trade for Adrian Gonzales had the Redsox in the top 10 of farm system. RHP Casey Kelly, now with San Diego should be in the majors by mid 2012. He has top of the rotation stuff and above all, the poise of a No. 1 Starter. 1B Tony Rizzo will be the Padres starting 1st baseman by July 2011. Remember, he was diagnosed with cancer and had to take off 1 1/2 years to beat the disease. He is only 21.

Still in the redsox system are SP Anthony Ranaudo, 21, LHP Felix Doubrout, 23 and Lefty hitting outfielder Ryan Kalish. Doubrout was in the majors the end of last year and will start the year as a reliever in 2011. If Boston trades one of the Five starters, he will be in the rotation. Ranaudo will be ready in 2012. Kalish is an upgraded Jacoby Elsbury. He has power, a plus arm and is a better defender and can play all outfield positions. He will make Boston's outfield in 2012 (Crawford, Elsbury and Kalish) the fastest and best hitting outfield in the majors. They have the capability of stealing 200 bases a season, hitting 300, and earning gold gloves. Kalish is ready now, but is blocked by J D Drew. Drew has been injury prone and if he gets hurt of has a slow 2011 start Kalish will be the starting Right Fielder and should be AL Rookie of the year.

Not my list, John Sickels, a scout writer.

I guess he doesn't rate the Red Sox farm system very highly, I'll wait for his explanation before I try to answer these questions.

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 08:41 AM
yeaa whatever, braves got 3 in tha top 25 and 6 in tha top 100

Guess Braves fans need something to hang over the Phillies heads.

Royals have 8 guys in the top 100, 3 in the top 25, as well number 28.

if half of those guys pan out to their potential, it's scary how good the Royals could be, especially if they get a lot for Grienke back

TallicaFan87
12-14-2010, 08:46 AM
http://slidingintohome.blogspot.com/2010/08/john-sickels-revisits-yankees-top-20.html



I know it's hard for fans to not over rate their prospects, but we all do it. Banuelos is probably right where he belongs

Unless I missed it he's not even on the list. Not even going by other teams prospects but just some of the Yankees that are on it - he's better than Brackman and Betances who are both on the list.

koldjerky
12-14-2010, 08:52 AM
The only problem with the Phillies farm though is that besides Brown they are all in low A ball. It'll be at least 3 years before we really see any of them outside of Brown but there have seen many scouts saying there isn't any other team who has as much talent in A and lower than the Phillies. Like MTM said, that's nice considering what they have been able to do in trades.

More-Than-Most
12-14-2010, 08:53 AM
yeaa whatever, braves got 3 in tha top 25 and 6 in tha top 100

Lol that because we keep using our specs as trade bait for all star caliber players that held us to a few world series and division titles. :D... All I keep hearing after each trade we make is how we will suffer in the future but then right after the season a new list comes out and the guys we lost for Halladay just got replaced by a few more guys like it was nothing on the top prospect list. Besides Brown we have no major league ready talent in the minors and that could be a problem with depth but 3-4 year down the road all these guys in our lower system will be ready to take over for the aged players.

More-Than-Most
12-14-2010, 08:54 AM
The only problem with the Phillies farm though is that besides Brown they are all in low A ball. It'll be at least 3 years before we really see any of them outside of Brown but there have seen many scouts saying there isn't any other team who has as much talent in A and lower than the Phillies. Like MTM said, that's nice considering what they have been able to do in trades.

Ahem ya beat me to it by a few seconds dammit :(

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 08:55 AM
For the record, I believe the writers, after doing more research, feel they may have overlooked Banuelos on accident when putting this list together. They have done extensive work on Banuelos...so not sure.

There are tons of comments if you select the link

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 08:56 AM
Lol that because we keep using our specs as trade bait for all star caliber players that held us to a few world series and division titles. :D... All I keep hearing after each trade we make is how we will suffer in the future but then right after the season a new list comes out and the guys we lost for Halladay just got replaced by a few more guys like it was nothing on the top prospect list. Besides Brown we have no major league ready talent in the minors and that could be a problem with depth but 3-4 year down the road all these guys in our lower system will be ready to take over for the aged players.

If the Phillies suffer in the future, it won't be because of their trades.

It will be because of the contracts they have to pay for for aging players.

Their trades have been very good, Amaro has done a great job on trades.

ritz
12-14-2010, 08:58 AM
It still depresses me that Jerry Manuel stunted Mejia's development by keeping him in the bullpen last season instead of starting in the minors. :sigh:

Middle relief, high leverage, mop-up - he didn't even have a solid role in the bullpen. Ridiculous.

More-Than-Most
12-14-2010, 09:07 AM
It still depresses me that Jerry Manuel stunted Mejia's development by keeping him in the bullpen last season instead of starting in the minors. :sigh:

Middle relief, high leverage, mop-up - he didn't even have a solid role in the bullpen. Ridiculous.

I also was amazed by this last season.. I am very very very high on Mejia and watching him last year I was amazed that they allowed him up for as long as they did and kept him up while he struggled.. I wrote in your forum several times about my distaste for the way your management handled him.

behindmydesk
12-14-2010, 09:08 AM
I've never heard of deep leagues, and i'm not real big on this list.

For instance, I'm a big a's fan, and I wouldn't put grant green that high.

el_primo_nano
12-14-2010, 09:13 AM
2 Rays in the top ten? Those guys never stop. Jennings will allow that Crawford loss to heal

ritz
12-14-2010, 09:14 AM
I also was amazed by this last season.. I am very very very high on Mejia and watching him last year I was amazed that they allowed him up for as long as they did and kept him up while he struggled.. I wrote in your forum several times about my distaste for the way your management handled him.

I was hoping Omar would step in and tell Jerry that he should be starting in AA or AAA and I even heard rumors that Omar wanted him to be starting in the minors, but Mets fans were excited to see Mejia and it was one last ploy to save their jobs, I assume. Thank God that's over and Sandy Alderson is already on record multiple times saying that Mejia should and will be in the starting rotation for the Bisons (AAA).

behindmydesk
12-14-2010, 09:20 AM
2 Rays in the top ten? Those guys never stop. Jennings will allow that Crawford loss to heal

Yea no kidding, they always have guys at the top. Plus think about some of the highly regarded guys they have had who missed as well. Hamilton, and Beckam (not remembering how to spell his name)

lavell12
12-14-2010, 10:34 AM
This list is crazy you can't have the top prospect be a guy at the MLB level who his own team is afraid to make the everday player.

torontosports10
12-14-2010, 10:54 AM
Well you can say the Phillies have been drafting well these past few years:

Brown
Drabek
Singleton
Cosart
Gose
Colvin
D'Arnaud

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 10:58 AM
This list is crazy you can't have the top prospect be a guy at the MLB level who his own team is afraid to make the everday player.

That doesn't mean a thing.

There are a number of reasons affecting that.

OneTuzSea
12-14-2010, 11:02 AM
2 in the top 15. I'm ok with this.

koldjerky
12-14-2010, 11:03 AM
This list is crazy you can't have the top prospect be a guy at the MLB level who his own team is afraid to make the everday player.

Umm, Jason Heyward was the top prospect coming in to the 2010 season.

Ron!n
12-14-2010, 11:35 AM
I've never heard of deep leagues, and i'm not real big on this list.

For instance, I'm a big a's fan, and I wouldn't put grant green that high.
Yeah, I dont see why anybody would trust this more than Baseball America.

They dont even seem to have any real scouts.

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 11:55 AM
Yeah, I dont see why anybody would trust this more than Baseball America.

They dont even seem to have any real scouts.

it's just a bunch of internet writers, a couple of them former big league scouts.

They create projection numbers for players based on overall talent, and raw tools, and then compares that to past players that were similar, as well the system they are in (some systems are better than others).

Their projection on some players have been great, they obviously have missed on others. This is their pre-season top 100 specs, and they are usually better than baseball america when it comes to projecting A list specs that reach the big leagues and do what they say they will do.

Look up John Sickels, and read some of stuff, solid

Reggie Miller
12-14-2010, 12:15 PM
2 dbacks more than giants hahahaahhahahahahah

quiksilver2491
12-14-2010, 01:06 PM
This list is horrible. They got the right guys on the list right for the most part, as for where they are ranked, it's a mess. What criteria went into the actual ranking of players?

Giraffes Rule
12-14-2010, 01:09 PM
It's great being an Astros fan. Not a ton of talent on the major league club, and only one prospect that cracked the top 100. Awesome.

CAIN=FUTURE
12-14-2010, 01:59 PM
Kind of odd to not see the Giants rape this list :(. I guess Brandon Belt will have to do

hugepatsfan
12-14-2010, 02:01 PM
For the record, I believe the writers, after doing more research, feel they may have overlooked Banuelos on accident when putting this list together. They have done extensive work on Banuelos...so not sure.

There are tons of comments if you select the link

I hope so. Personally, I like him more than Betences and muuuuuuuuuuuuuuch more than Brackman. I also like him more than Romine. And I don't know much about Sanchez yet, so I can't say. I would take any of them off the list for Banuelos.

d79cheese
12-14-2010, 02:56 PM
2 dbacks more than giants hahahaahhahahahahah

thats because our 2 top 10 prospects from last year already made it big and led us to a WS championship :D

papipapsmanny
12-14-2010, 03:06 PM
Not enough Red Sox for ya huh?

They haven't done their top 20 Red Sox prospects yet, so I can't show ya their reasoning behind it yet.

But the Red Sox prospects seem to be overly hyped up by Red Sox nation as a whole every year...same thing happens in New York.

Really, you just don't have enough high ceiling guys anymore, they have all reached the big leagues

no its just bad

Iglesias is ahead of Kelly/Rizzo? That is completely laughable, so is having Betances over Kelly.

Gary Sanchez a top 50 prospect?? He hasn't done **** yet, he barely played at Low A ball.

Plus I feel like there are some people on their that don't qualify as prospects anymore

J-Loco
12-14-2010, 03:08 PM
2 Cardinals....but they both crack the top 40.

Miller, with the basic injury caveats, is a real possible future ace...let's see how he does this season and if he can keep his insane k/ip ratio going.

Cox has to prove himself this year, he is fresh out of college.

And then Jenkins and Matias and Blair are off the top 100, which I think is fair. But could crack it this time next year.

Sickels and these guys are great at projecting stars, they easily whoop Baseball America's ***.

You guys should spend some time on their websites.

Best system this next season?

The Royals....couldn't agree more.

Just when you think you hate Red Sox fans, in come the Phillies fans and take the title for being straight up clowns!

J-Loco
12-14-2010, 03:09 PM
Montero from #4 last year to #9 this year lol hmmmmmm I smell BS

Jetsguy
12-14-2010, 03:20 PM
Yankees with 3 top catching prospects...

Keep one and get some more young pitching and OF prospects

yfern328
12-14-2010, 04:15 PM
How is Wilmer Flores not in the top 100...Dude will be in the top 20 by next year, book it.

Zmaster52
12-14-2010, 04:30 PM
one met :(

oneill681
12-14-2010, 04:50 PM
What’s up y’all,

I created the list and appreciate the feedback. I read this board sometimes and was happy to see this on here. Several things worth mentioning: (1) we focus on fantasy baseball keeper leagues which sometimes causes differences in the rankings (i.e., Brown would be behind Harper/Trout on a traditional list); (2) it’s a preliminary list we’re publishing early; and (3) we're not "full time" experts (even though we enjoy creating the rankings...not getting paid or anything).

Since we don't have any connections to scouts, my plan was to publish early and get a large amount of feedback. In addition to spending time learning more about the guys myself, every time the list is criticized, I can evaluate whether a colorable argument can be made justifying the prospect’s position. I think the current list is a good start (especially considering there aren’t any other 2011 top 100 lists), but there is no doubt it can improve.

Based on learning more and getting feedback, I'm thinking the list would improve by...
Adding: Manny Banuelos, Wilmer Flores (both ridiculous snubs)
Cutting: Brackman,
Moving Up: Aaron Hicks, Jacob Turner, Devin Mesoraco (probably)
Moving Down: Zack Cox, Jonathan Singleton, Tyler Matzek, Yasmani Grandal

Even though Kelly is ranked low, I think I’m standing by it. I know he’s a good athlete w/ terrific stuff, but the stat line was not good. I didn’t worry at mid-season b/c it was his first season as a full time pitcher, but it concerned me a little when there didn’t seem to be substantial improvement in the second half.

If you see any players you think are overrated/underrated, definitely let us know.

dodgersuck
12-14-2010, 04:52 PM
D Brown is NOT the number 1 prospect

dodgersuck
12-14-2010, 04:54 PM
2 dbacks more than giants hahahaahhahahahahah

last place and 97 losses hahahahhahahahahahaha

Scott W
12-14-2010, 05:01 PM
Woah. Only 1 Met on the entire list, pretty embarrassing.

homie564
12-14-2010, 05:10 PM
this list isn't very good.. like at all lol


Red Sox Snubs: where the HELL is Kalish? and I think Doubront has done enough to be in the top 100.

Snubs in General: Hate the yanks (noted) but Manny Banuelos not only belongs on the list but I'd go as far as top 50. Kelly belongs in the top 50 easily.. possibly top 25. and Rizzo is a beast and belongs to be at minimum top 65... iglesias (the only red sox on the list) should be in the 70 region not 51.. bryce harper not being number one is a joke and I think Jared Cosart belongs in the top 25 aswell.


machado green pineda and moore are a bit too high (machado and green lower top 50, pineda lower top 25 and moore lower top 35.

WindyCityFlyer
12-14-2010, 05:12 PM
How is Chris Sale in the 60's? He has proven he can compete at a MLB level already. Either have him in the top 30 or so, or not on the list at all since he has already played in the majors.

oneill681
12-14-2010, 05:14 PM
Woah. Only 1 Met on the entire list, pretty embarrassing.

Good news is the system is the Mets' system is much better than the top 100 list indicates. Firstm 99% of rankers would have listed two prospects in the top 100 (Wilmer Flores). Plus, even though they aren't top 100, there are a bunch of potential quality players in your system w/ Matt Harvey, Aderlin Rodriguez, Darren Cecciliani, Lucas Duda, F-Mart, Niewenhuis, Juan Urbina, etc. Also, some people speculate that Alderson's methods of developing players will work really well on some of the players in the Mets' system.

I'd say it's definitely bottom half, but nothing that can't be fixed reasonably quickly.

oneill681
12-14-2010, 05:15 PM
How is Chris Sale in the 60's? He has proven he can compete at a MLB level already. Either have him in the top 30 or so, or not on the list at all since he has already played in the majors.

Good thought. You are not the only person who thought Sale is being way underrated in the mid-60's. Part of my concern with Sale involves the group of people claiming they can predict arm injuries based on a pitcher’s mechanics (i.e., the “inverted w”). The one thing I know for sure is I don’t know enough to offer a reliable opinion, which makes Sale difficult to rank. If these people are wrong, than the White Sox got a complete steal getting a left-handed pitcher w/ a high 90’s fastball for slot money outside the top 10. Regardless of any concerns, Sale will move higher if he beats Thornton for the closer’s role in spring training.

One Nut Kruk
12-14-2010, 05:24 PM
funny how the people who hate this list are fans of a team who they feel have been snubbed.........

Giants-49ers-Ws
12-14-2010, 05:29 PM
brandon belt. r.o.y.

oneill681
12-14-2010, 05:30 PM
this list isn't very good.. like at all lol


Red Sox Snubs: where the HELL is Kalish? and I think Doubront has done enough to be in the top 100.

Snubs in General: Hate the yanks (noted) but Manny Banuelos not only belongs on the list but I'd go as far as top 50. Kelly belongs in the top 50 easily.. possibly top 25. and Rizzo is a beast and belongs to be at minimum top 65... iglesias (the only red sox on the list) should be in the 70 region not 51.. bryce harper not being number one is a joke and I think Jared Cosart belongs in the top 25 aswell.


machado green pineda and moore are a bit too high (machado and green lower top 50, pineda lower top 25 and moore lower top 35.

Kalish doesn't make it because he exceeded 130 AB's last season. Kind of an arbitrary system but the general standard is 50 IP or 130 AB's in the major league. Same deal w/ Brett Wallace.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kalisry01.shtml

Brown’s #1 ranking over Harper/Trout is based on a subtle difference between real baseball and fantasy keeper leagues. In most keeper leagues, teams can only keep the prospect for a limited number of years at a reduced value (my league is three years at $4). The concern I have w/ elite high school prospects in keeper leagues is they often arrive in the major leagues too soon. For example, even if Harper produces monster numbers by age 22, if he gets called up at age 19, the keeper league owner runs the risk of his contract expiring before they see a great deal of production. Therefore, even though Brown offers a slightly lower ceiling, I would pick him b/c there is a better chance the owner will get immediate production from day 1.

Those are good thoughts on the other guys, especially Iglesias. As much as I like Iglesias, since we covering fantasy, the ranking strains logic considering so much of his value is defense. Cosart is a fellow Houston guy, and despite the ridiculous arm, I'm not totally sold on putting him that high. I don't have inside knowledge or anything...just tend to follow the hometown prospect like Taillon, Drabek etc more closely. There are some arguments for putting Kelly higher. While his basic stats aren't good, check out his BABIP (.366!). I can't go top 25, but I'll give him a closer look to see if I should move him up.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa454391&position=P

Great feedback and I really appreciate it.

papipapsmanny
12-14-2010, 05:42 PM
What about Drake Britton on the Sox? Lefty throws mid 90s, and had a great year for the Sox in A ball

oneill681
12-14-2010, 05:51 PM
What about Drake Britton on the Sox? Lefty throws mid 90s, and had a great year for the Sox in A ball

Another very solid prospect...and fellow Houstonian. I ranked him the #58 starting pitching prospect just ahead of Garrett Richards.

http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=2228

That doesn't sound too great, but it means he wasn't that far from the top 100.

sexicano31
12-14-2010, 05:52 PM
This list blows. Martin Perez isnt even top 25. The ****er is one of the most talented specs in all of baseball

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 06:16 PM
funny how the people who hate this list are fans of a team who they feel have been snubbed.........

knew it was gonna happen, it would be impossible to make a list that everyone was pleased with

baseballguy247
12-14-2010, 06:18 PM
ill wait until baseball America list comes out with the real 100.

Still fun to get a early look now at some early thoughts

jtrinaldi
12-14-2010, 06:26 PM
a few things...Liam Hendriks should be between 55-75 his change up is simply amazing. 2. khris davis should be around 95, he has a lot of tools he just needs to develop power. you cant teach speed like he has got
Other guys deserving to be on the lower end of the list
alexei armasita-ss/3b- angels
matt adams-cardinals 1b
jordan walden- angels pitcher
honorable mention-kane holbrooks

ishouldbeagm
12-14-2010, 06:50 PM
This list is terrible, and not because they left ManBan off it, but they left other very good prospects from other teams off it. Might as well let the posters from PSD make a top 100 list.

oneill681
12-14-2010, 07:06 PM
This list is terrible, and not because they left ManBan off it, but they left other very good prospects from other teams off it. Might as well let the posters from PSD make a top 100 list.

I'll give you three snubs: Wilmer Flores, Manny Banuelos, and Zach Wheeler. And one removal: Andrew Brackman. Best players to not make the list: (1) Wilmer, (2) Banuelos, (3) Zach Wheeler, (4) Carlos Perez, (5) Delino DeShields, (6) Zach Stewart, (7) Anthony Ranaudo, and (8) Guillermo Pimentel.

Besides that, which "other very good prospects" would you have placed on the list and who would you remove?

kmo429
12-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Mets only have 1.... Jenrry Mejia, he's hyped up a lot by most Mets fans but I really don't know what he's got. The Mets prospect who could be very close to the top of that list within a couple years is Wilmer Flores, the dude has awesome potential. Only 17 though I believe.

nyyfan4life
12-14-2010, 07:20 PM
Mets only have 1.... Jenrry Mejia, he's hyped up a lot by most Mets fans but I really don't know what he's got. The Mets prospect who could be very close to the top of that list within a couple years is Wilmer Flores, the dude has awesome potential. Only 17 though I believe.

Flores is 19.

oneill681
12-14-2010, 07:22 PM
This list blows. Martin Perez isnt even top 25. The ****er is one of the most talented specs in all of baseball

I know he was young to pitch in AA, but in 99 innings, Perez's ERA was 5.96 and his WHIP was 1.676. It shows he's an amazing talent that he could post those numbers and still remain among the 50 best prospects in baseball.

Kelly Gruber
12-14-2010, 07:26 PM
It's just a list people. Quit being such babies because your favourites aren't where you want them to be. Coming off as very whiny in this thread.

Thanks to the list creator, and looking forward to seeing where all the Jay's kids stack up on everyone's lists this spring.

fadedmario
12-14-2010, 07:27 PM
Jacob Turner should be higher. Also, where is Nick Castellanos

nyyfan4life
12-14-2010, 07:27 PM
It's just a list people. Quit being such babies because your favourites aren't where you want them to be.

Thanks to the list creator, and looking forward to seeing where all the Jay's kids stack up on everyone's lists this spring.

This is a sports forum where you discuss topics like this list.

Fred
12-14-2010, 07:28 PM
7 Blue Jays, love seeing that after years of futility on the farm.

Anyone else find it hilarious that the Angels' top prospect is Mike Trout, and one of their all time greats is Tim Salmon? :laugh2: Probably been discussed to death but that cracks me up. I hope he has an amazing career with them just to see those two numbers next to each other in Angel Stadium.

they should play for the marlins.... :D

jmtapia
12-14-2010, 07:33 PM
8. Julio Teheran—P, Braves
18. Freddie Freeman—1B, Braves
21. Mike Minor—P, Braves
58. Randall Delgado—P, Braves
64. Carlos Perez—P, Braves
66. Arodys Vizcaino—P, Braves

Good stuff from the Braves. Bunch of solid 19-20 year old arms. Have to admit that Carlos Perez came out of now where. Not sure how you could rank him higher then Arodyz but certainly someone I will keep an eye on this season.

Ill have to wait for Baseball America's list to compare.

Kelly Gruber
12-14-2010, 07:34 PM
This is a sports forum where you discuss topics like this list.

No ****. But read the thread, 90% of it is whiny babies complaining becuase their favourite prospect wasn't listed exactly where they wanted them to be. Is that a worthwhile discussion for anyone?

There's going to be many lists to come out, and guess what, none of them mean a damn lick.

Particularly when the guy that made the list posts in the thread, we could at least try and show some grace and gratitude and actually discuss the list, rather than clutter up the thread crying about it.

Karlos49
12-14-2010, 07:59 PM
KC has so many prospects to look forward to in the NEAR future :) Moustakas, Hosmer, Montgomery, Dwyer, Duffy, Lamb, Colon.

Dale Murphy
12-14-2010, 08:12 PM
Wow! The Braves have 6 top 100 prospects..

roylikeswaffles
12-14-2010, 08:12 PM
No Zack Wheeler? :confused:

jtrinaldi
12-14-2010, 08:18 PM
Jacob Turner should be higher. Also, where is Nick Castellanos
no where, most players on this list have played above rookie ball...

LakersA's49ers
12-14-2010, 08:25 PM
3 A's is nice to see. 2009 first round pick Grant Green tore it up in A ball. Choice had a nice start to his professional career after being our 2010 first round pick. As for Carter, if healthy, this guy's a beast. hit 3 bombs in a his short stint in Oakland. Can't wait to see how these guys develop

ATL#22
12-14-2010, 08:53 PM
I think Braves have 2nd best behind Royals. 3 in the top 21 and 6 overall is legit. Beachy didn't even make the cut and he tore up the minors with a 4.65 k/bb ratio.

beldugo
12-14-2010, 09:08 PM
8. Julio Teheran—P, Braves
18. Freddie Freeman—1B, Braves
21. Mike Minor—P, Braves
58. Randall Delgado—P, Braves
64. Carlos Perez—P, Braves
66. Arodys Vizcaino—P, Braves

Good stuff from the Braves. Bunch of solid 19-20 year old arms. Have to admit that Carlos Perez came out of now where. Not sure how you could rank him higher then Arodyz but certainly someone I will keep an eye on this season.

Ill have to wait for Baseball America's list to compare.

i was surprised because Kimbrel didn't makee this list

samevans7
12-14-2010, 09:11 PM
Sox go from 3 in the top 30 to 0? Yet, all 3 are still prospects. Iglesias is at 50, Kelly (now a Padre) was like 23, and Westmoreland was at 24. Westy didnt play last year tho; he should be back up in the top 30 soon

Dale Murphy
12-14-2010, 09:11 PM
It appears as if the Braves have a bright future

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 09:28 PM
I think Braves have 2nd best behind Royals. 3 in the top 21 and 6 overall is legit. Beachy didn't even make the cut and he tore up the minors with a 4.65 k/bb ratio.

Blue Jays are second, Braves are third ;)

Royals first, in terms of total number of top 100 specs.

Also, not my list, just sharing the list of some guys that I respect...a few are former pro ball scouts, and others are just online baseball writers that are not stupid. They will have a more final list in the spring just before Baseball America. I understand that they have already made changes to this list based on recommendations.

Do. Brown is going to compare a lot to Jason Heyward of last year. Everyone else is a combination of their potential peak, and the possibility of them reaching the big leagues. Not all top 100 specs pan out, in fact, a large number of them do not. But they each got a letter grade from the writers, and then they were ranked in those terms. Some guys, such as Banuelous, were left off, most likely by accident.

When you create such a list, and post it on an online forum, people are going to complain, it's a given, and it's usually from homers not seeing their favorite players where they think they should be. That is going to happen, and I don't care. I am sharing a pre-ST list of top 100 specs written by some guys that I respect via the internet.


Anyone else is welcomed to make their own list of course

flea
12-14-2010, 09:35 PM
Do. Brown is going to compare a lot to Jason Heyward of last year.
Rofl? There are only a handful of people who have ever played baseball who can hold a candle to Heyward's rookie season. The worst one of these handful of players is probably Al Kaline. Brown will be lucky to replicate Grady Sizemore's age 22 season in Brown's age 23 season. Let's not get ridiculous when we're talking about one of the greatest rookie campaigns ever, especially considering age.

ATL#22
12-14-2010, 09:49 PM
Do. Brown is going to compare a lot to Jason Heyward of last year. Everyone else is a combination of their potential peak, and the possibility of them reaching the big leagues.

Idk much about the Jays system so i'll take your word for them being second but nobody will compare Brown to Heyward. The biggest difference is age. Heyward just put up a 5 win season as a 20 year old while Brown is already 23 and struggled a little bit in his first 35 games (only walked 5 times). Brown is gonna struggle like rookies do with making adjustments and hitting breaking balls and someday he will be great but Heyward and Brown are on two different levels. I mean the the two were in the minors at the same time Heyward was 19 and Brown was 22 and nobody had Brown rated over Heyward.

ugafan
12-14-2010, 09:54 PM
LOL@ comparing Brown to Heyward. Just because they were both top prospects doesn't mean they're similar talents. Heyward is lightyears ahead of Brown not to mention 2+ year younger.

avrpatsfan
12-14-2010, 10:10 PM
Only 1 Red Sox on the list? And Brackman and Betances on the list and no Banuelos? Not a great list.

Jeffy25
12-14-2010, 10:12 PM
I'm comparing their situations, not the players.


their SITUATIONS not the players.

Brown is likely to be the starting right fielder this year for the Phillies, and Heyward won the starting right field position last year for the Braves.

Their situations are similar, I never said the players were similar, I said Do Brown is going to compare a lot to Heyward....don't read into something that isn't there ladies.

You easily take Heyward over Brown, mainly because of their age difference.


Their minor league numbers are very similar though.

beldugo
12-14-2010, 10:21 PM
Idk much about the Jays system so i'll take your word for them being second but nobody will compare Brown to Heyward. The biggest difference is age. Heyward just put up a 5 win season as a 20 year old while Brown is already 23 and struggled a little bit in his first 35 games (only walked 5 times). Brown is gonna struggle like rookies do with making adjustments and hitting breaking balls and someday he will be great but Heyward and Brown are on two different levels. I mean the the two were in the minors at the same time Heyward was 19 and Brown was 22 and nobody had Brown rated over Heyward.

and he struggled big time with the leones del escogido in the dominican republic, i'm a braves fan but i was excited to see him play in the dominican and specially because thats the team that i root for, but c'mon he was just garbage, i know it was a short period of time, but i was the happiest man to see him go

brandonwarne52
12-14-2010, 10:24 PM
cracking the list as a reliever isnt bad right?
Kenley Jansen is a beast

Not as cool as cracking it as a catcher-turned-reliever. Wait.

DwayneMVPwade
12-14-2010, 10:42 PM
7 for the jays

robdizzle3
12-14-2010, 10:47 PM
6 Braves in the top 100 list.. I love it.. Good to see us still have a strong farm.. Wish we had more postion players.

sexicano31
12-14-2010, 10:48 PM
I know he was young to pitch in AA, but in 99 innings, Perez's ERA was 5.96 and his WHIP was 1.676. It shows he's an amazing talent that he could post those numbers and still remain among the 50 best prospects in baseball.

Its still really bad

robdizzle3
12-14-2010, 10:49 PM
i was surprised because Kimbrel didn't makee this list

Im suprised he wasnt on there... He's top 5 IMO, top 10 for sure.

oneill681
12-15-2010, 12:27 AM
Its still really bad

Don't think I'm going to change your mind, but I also wanted to point out Perez's 6.60 ERA in the Venezuelan Winter League. I agree he has the potential to be a #1 starter, and even though I think some will rank him higher, it's not unreasonable to temporarily drop him to #47 based on those #'s, IMO.

"Texas Rangers SP Martin Perez is 1-2 with a 6.60 ERA in four starts and two relief outings in the Venezuelan Winter League, according to MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. However, Perez appears to be maturing and making progress. "There have been some decent outings mixed in with some tough ones but there have been a lot of bright spots," general manager Thad Levine said. "The stats line hasn't been stellar, but we've had scouts at almost all of his starts and there has been a lot of progress as far as throwing strikes, attacking hitters and staying with his secondary stuff. The feedback from the scouts has been positive, and we're focused more on that than the stats lines."



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=681673#ixzz189QNqBUS

Halopower31
12-15-2010, 02:11 AM
Don't see how Harper is #2. Dude hasn't even step foot in his organization yet. Yeah he has a lot of hype. Think #2 is kinda high for him but dude is a hell of a player though. Happy to see Trout way up there. Though he should be up in the 1 or 2 spot since the dude is 19 and could make a major leauge start at only 19 but is going to be here know doubt in september and will defently start in 2012. Sorry Hunter, have fun being the DH =)

The_Jamal
12-15-2010, 02:40 AM
2 dbacks more than giants hahahaahhahahahahah

Yea, i'd rather have more top 100 prospects in the minors than Buster Posey and Madison Bumgarner too

Sick Of It All
12-15-2010, 04:18 AM
...all i have to say is where is Wilmer Flores who arguably should be just outside the top 50.

Now if this was asked before I apologize because I did not read all the posts.

ishouldbeagm
12-15-2010, 04:58 AM
this list for fantasy purposes the thread title is misleading...and even as a keeper list it sucks.

Dale Murphy
12-15-2010, 04:59 AM
I agree, it is surprising that Kimbrel isn't on the list

Dale Murphy
12-15-2010, 05:00 AM
this list for fantasy purposes the thread title is misleading...and even as a keeper list it sucks.

Ahhhh...that explains it.....Thanks for sharing that

Jeffy25
12-15-2010, 06:27 AM
Don't think I'm going to change your mind, but I also wanted to point out Perez's 6.60 ERA in the Venezuelan Winter League. I agree he has the potential to be a #1 starter, and even though I think some will rank him higher, it's not unreasonable to temporarily drop him to #47 based on those #'s, IMO.

"Texas Rangers SP Martin Perez is 1-2 with a 6.60 ERA in four starts and two relief outings in the Venezuelan Winter League, according to MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. However, Perez appears to be maturing and making progress. "There have been some decent outings mixed in with some tough ones but there have been a lot of bright spots," general manager Thad Levine said. "The stats line hasn't been stellar, but we've had scouts at almost all of his starts and there has been a lot of progress as far as throwing strikes, attacking hitters and staying with his secondary stuff. The feedback from the scouts has been positive, and we're focused more on that than the stats lines."



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=681673#ixzz189QNqBUS



That is like people getting worried last spring training when Lincecum was getting hit around. He is only working on throwing strikes, getting in a routine, etc. He isn't worried about the execution of the numbers, and I would imagine with Perez it could be similar. They have a gameplan for today, now let's work on this...don't worry about your numbers.

He is a 19 year old lefty, I am not worried about him. As long as he is throwing hard, and he has decent control, he will be fine. 99 innings isn't enough to go on yet.

ciaban
12-15-2010, 09:03 AM
i wonder how many of these young men turn into busts

Jeffy25
12-15-2010, 09:09 AM
i wonder how many of these young men turn into busts

about 55% of baseball america's top 100 prospects don't play long enough to reach arbitration in the big leagues.

If that answers your question

Jeffy25
12-21-2010, 07:09 PM
You guys wanted to know the Yankees top 20...

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/12/15/1878701/new-york-yankees-top-20-prospects-for-2011


New York Yankees Top 20 Prospects for 2011

All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don't get too concerned about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get past the Top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize.

Feel free to critique the list, but use logic and reason rather than polemics to do to. The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2011 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!



QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.

A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.

Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.

Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.


1) Jesus Montero, C, Grade A: No one will care much about the glove in five years.

2) Gary Sanchez, C, Grade B+: Could be Montero with a better glove.

3) Dellin Betances, RHP, Grade B+: Want to see a full year in the high minors but his recovery was very impressive.

4) Manny Banuelos, LHP, Grade B: Smooth as silk delivery with plus stuff, might bump him up to B+.

5) Hector Noesi, RHP, Grade B: Love the control+velocity combo.

6) Andrew Brackman, RHP, Grade B-: Made a lot of progress, could end up as a Grade B by book time.

7) Ivan Nova, RHP, Grade B-: Looks like a competent fourth starter to me.

8) Austin Romine, C, Grade B-: He's a good prospect but I don't see him as a future star.

9) Slade Heathcott, OF, Grade B-: I respect the tools enough to go with this grade, but he needs a lot of polish.

10) Adam Warren, RHP, Grade B-: One of several interesting pitchers who could be good fourth starters.

11) Graham Stoneburner, RHP, Grade B-: I don't understand why this guy doesn't get more attention. Good stuff, good performance.

12) David Phelps, RHP, Grade B-: Another strike-thrower who should be able to eat innings.

13) Eduardo Nunez, SS, Grade C+: Good speed, makes contact, but looks more like a utility guy to me than a regular.

14) Brandon Laird, 3B, Grade C+: I like the power, but discipline is sketchy and where does he fit?

15) David Adams, 2B, Grade C+: Can hit if healthy.

16) J.R. Murphy, C, Grade C+: More young catching depth but needs a lot of polish with the glove, bat should improve.

17) Corban Joseph, 2B, Grade C+: Another second base option with a nice bat.

18) Cito Culver, SS, Grade C+: I know the Yankees love him, and he has a high ceiling, but a long way off and lots of risk.

19) Brett Marshall, RHP, Grade C+: Tommy John survivor must be watched closely.

20) Jose A. Ramirez, RHP, Grade C+: Live arm with some breakthrough potential.

21) Angelo Gumbs, OF, Grade C+: Great tools, raw.

OTHERS OF NOTE: Sean Black, RHP; Kelvin De Leon, OF; Gabe Encinas, RHP; Robert Fish, LHP; Ramon Flores, OF; Ben Gamel, OF; Shaeffer Hall, LHP; Tommy Kahnle, RHP; Melky Mesa, OF; Bryan Mitchell, RHP; D.J. Mitchell, RHP; Evan Rutckyj, LHP; Rob Segedin, 3B: Dan Turpen, RHP; Chase Whitley, RHP; Mason Williams, OF.

This system has two excellent hitters at the top, but thins out quickly in position players with impact potential after that. The pitching is quite rich; I count eight guys with the ability to hold rotation spots at the major league level, including a couple of potential anchors, and there are more arms behind them.

The system has some toolsy outfielders and some interesting catchers past Montero and Sanchez, but could use additional depth. Overall, though, it is a system that has a lot going for it, and if some of the sleepers from the '10 draft pan out it can look even better next year.

He did this six days ago, I just had not noticed it yet

VRP723
12-21-2010, 07:16 PM
Not as cool as cracking it as a catcher-turned-reliever. Wait.

He's the man!!

Oh, and to the notion that Chris Sale should be Top 30, by that logic Jansen is top 20 at least.

WolvesJagsOs
12-21-2010, 07:16 PM
Cant wait for Machado to get up in the MLB. Cant wait for him and Britton. When do some of you guys expect Machado up? few years right?

Jeffy25
12-21-2010, 07:19 PM
by the way, the Royals are freaking stacked in case you guys didn't already know that.


Kansas City Royals Top 20 Prospects for 2011

All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don't get too concerned about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get past the Top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize.

Feel free to critique the list, but use logic and reason rather than polemics to do to. The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2011 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!




QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.

A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.

Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.

Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.

Kansas City Royals Top 20 Prospects

1) Mike Moustakas, 3B, Grade A: This guy is really damn good. I believe he can stick at third base, so he ranks ahead of Hosmer just barely.

2) Eric Hosmer, 1B, Grade A: This guy is really damn good.

3) Wil Myers, C, Grade A: If I trusted his defense a bit more, he would rank number one. As it is, even if he ends up in right field I have no hesitation giving him a Grade A rating. The bat should be outstanding.

4) Danny Duffy, LHP, Grade A-: Going to go with the higher grade here over a B+; fortune favors the bold.

5) John Lamb, LHP, Grade B+: Slippage in Double-A keeps him from A- at this time, but an outstanding prospect.

6) Michael Montgomery, LHP, Grade B+: Worried a bit about future of his elbow.

7) Chris Dwyer, LHP, Grade B: Almost went with a B+, but something holds me back a bit on him. Great stuff, but I'm not totally sold on his command yet.

8) Brett Eibner, OF, Grade B: I love the power bat; will have to see if contact is an issue and if he can stick in center.

9) Christian Colon, SS, Grade B: I doubt he'll be a star, but I expect he can have a long career as a regular.

10) Johnny Giavotella, 2B, Grade B-: Love the bat, defense still needs some work but has improved a bit.

11) Louis Coleman, RHP, Grade B-: I know he's a reliever, but he will be ready to help soon and I think there is a chance he could end up closing some games eventually. I think he is underrated and thus his grade is aggressive for a reliever.

12) Aaron Crow, RHP, Grade C+: Ranking him behind Coleman may look weird, but I am more confident that Coleman will be a good major league pitcher than I am in Crow right now, although Crow has a higher ceiling.

13) Tim Melville, RHP, Grade C+ Not a good year, but not as bad as it looked. Talent is still there.

14) Tim Collins, LHP, Grade C+: Can help in bullpen in 2011. Numbers are no fluke. Would rank ahead of Melville and even Crow if you are looking for immediate impact.

15) Patrick Keating, RHP, Grade C+: Overlooked arm with above average stuff. Royals have makings of a great pen with Coleman, Collins, and Keating all close to the majors.

16) Salvador Perez, C, Grade C+: I think he's a breakthrough candidate.

17) Cheslor Cuthbert, 3B, Grade C+: Hard to rank. Scouts like him, he's young, but the early numbers are weak. Would rank higher if you go by nothing but tools, wouldn't be on the top 20 at all if you go by numbers, so this is a compromise.

18) Clint Robinson, 1B, Grade C+: I've seen enough of him to believe he can mash for power, but finding a place to play is tough.

19) Jeff Bianchi, INF, Grade C+: Hard to rank due to health record. He could end up being very good as soon as 2011 under the right circumstances.

20) David Lough, OF, Grade C+: Could be a nice fourth outfielder.

21) Kevin Chapman, LHP, Grade C+: Another guy who can be a solid major league reliever pretty quickly.

22) Buddy Baumann, LHP, Grade C+: Overshadowed by the younger lefties, but should not be ignored.

23) Will Smith, LHP, Grade C+: I think he has a better chance to thrive here than he did with the Angels.

24) Robinson Yambati, RHP, Grade C+: Rookie ball guy could break through in '11.

25) Yordano Ventura, RHP, Grade C+: Rookie ball guy could break through in ‘11

26) Jason Adam, RHP, Grade C+: Just scouting reports so far on this one, but a local kid with a live arm that I have a good intuitive feeling about.


OTHERS: Noel Arguelles, LHP; Mike Antonio, SS; Willian Avinazar, RHP; Jarrod Dyson, OF; Yowill Espinal, 2B; Nick Francis, OF; Blaine Hardy, LHP; Greg Holland, RHP; Lucas May, C; Paulo Orlando, OF; Edgar Osuna, LHP; Manny Pina, C; Derrick Robinson, OF; Leonel Santiago, RHP; Crawford Simmons, LHP; Tim Smith, OF; Everett Teaford, LHP

What can you say? This is one hell of a farm system. While the young pitching gets a large amount of attention, and deservedly so, the Royals also have three of the most elite young bats in baseball in the Moustakas/Hosmer/Myers troika. I'm also a huge fan of Brett Eibner. In addition to the possible future stars, they have considerable depth in C+ types, some projecting as role players, some as possible regulars if things pan out properly. The exact ranking of players 12 to 26 would vary depending on if you are looking short or long term.



By the way, this doesn't include the Greinke trade. Add some guys to this list and just wow. This might be the best farm system we have seen since I can remember.

KingPosey
12-21-2010, 08:40 PM
Lmao @ everyone *****ing about the Phillies future... 2 in the top 25 and 4 in the top 100... Suck on that. We trade guys and our other guys perform and get noticed... What a ****ing system.

ya, well some say Belt is more than a man, and that he possibly has the strength of 5. so i think he counts for like 10 men or something if im doing my math right.

KingPosey
12-21-2010, 08:56 PM
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xabial
12-22-2010, 12:34 AM
Phillies Lose Jayson werth to FA.

The Top Prospect in all of baseball is a Philly OF.

lol

Uncle Sam
12-22-2010, 01:30 AM
Turner at 50 something? What a Joke... The tigers also have Nick Castellanos who should be top 100.

TheMachine
12-22-2010, 01:53 AM
LOL at all the dodgers on the list. Ridiculous.

Impaler
12-22-2010, 01:53 AM
From the site that I respect the most regarding prospects. Here is their preliminary top 100 prospects

http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=2248

77. Trey McNutt—P, Cubs


Perfect! Balls and strikes are going to be fun to be heard for this one!

brandonwarne52
12-22-2010, 01:56 AM
He's the man!!

Oh, and to the notion that Chris Sale should be Top 30, by that logic Jansen is top 20 at least.

I own both in my 100% keeper dynasty.

boomheadshot45
12-22-2010, 02:35 AM
Turner at 50 something? What a Joke... The tigers also have Nick Castellanos who should be top 100.


I was trying to come up w/ a more controversial ranking for their lower ranking, but they are all very good pitchers. Just sorta liked the other pitchers better. EX: I figured Miller should rank behind Matzek and Minor, but ahead of Gibson & Mejia. I thought Turner should be behind Alex White, but theoretically, I could have bumped them both ahead of Chris Archer.
Source: Look at the comments (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/12/12/1872397/2011-top-100-prospects)

stipe1280
12-22-2010, 02:38 AM
The Rangers have had one of the top rated systems for the past 3 years and their first entry is #44? I'd have figured we'd have at least have 1 in the top 20.

Also, I think Perez should be rated over Scheppers.

Jeffy25
12-22-2010, 03:01 AM
The Rangers have had one of the top rated systems for the past 3 years and their first entry is #44? I'd have figured we'd have at least have 1 in the top 20.

Also, I think Perez should be rated over Scheppers.

Perez fell quite a bit because of a mediocre season this year. Not that he can't easily rebound.




You guys are welcome to challenge the list, but the creator has his wikipedia page....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sickels


On the comments on the Tigers...sickels said his list should be done by tomorrow, so hopefully I can paste it in here for those questioning placement.

I find that a lot of people over rate their own teams prospects. It's not common for a player to be an 'A' rated prospect. They are, as it says in the original post, that they are projections, and that A's pretty well all turn out to be serviceable big leaguers, with a few injury caveat differences.

Those commenting and complaining, that is fine, but you should at least read the entire post, rather than skimming the list for your team and favorite players and making judgements.

He did have a preliminary list on the Tigers though


Very thin system.....a whole lotta Grade C. I'm not really inclined to add more guys here, since I need the space to put in players from other teams that I might otherwise have to cut, but let me know what you think.





Detroit Tigers 33 players

Rob Brantly C
Alex Burgos LHP
Josue Carreno RHP
Nick Castellanos 3B
Casey Crosby LHP
Brandon Douglas 2B
Daniel Fields OF
Charlie Furbush LHP
Avisail Garcia OF
Wade Gaynor 3B
Scott Green RHP
Bryan Holaday C
Jaime Johnson OF
Corey Jones 2B
Jordan Lennerton 1B
Dixon Machado SS
Francisco Martinez 3B
Andy Oliver LHP
Jose Ortega RHP
Tony Plagman 1B
Bruce Rondon RHP
Chance Ruffin RHP
Dan Schlereth LHP
Drew Smyly LHP
Ryan Strieby OF
Jacob Turner RHP
Danry Vazquez OF
Brayan Villareal RHP
Robbie Weinhardt RHP
Casper Wells OF
Adam Wilk LHP
Danny Worth SS


Basically, you have a ton of 'C' level prospects...sort of a thin system.

Jeffy25
12-22-2010, 03:11 AM
Turner at 50 something? What a Joke... The tigers also have Nick Castellanos who should be top 100.

I responded in the above post, but I felt I would add.

Last year at this time, Turner was given a B+...basically because he didn't have any pro numbers yet, and we didn't know anything about him.

In Sept, he compared he and Shelby Miller


Per Reader Request, here is a Prospect Smackdown between two right-handed high school pitchers from the 2009 draft: Shelby Miller of the St. Louis Cardinals and Jacob Turner of the Detroit Tigers.



Background and Intangibles
Miller: Shelby Miller had one of the best arms available in the 2009 draft. The high-schooler from Brownwood, Texas, was a key recruit for Texas A&M, but he couldn't turn down the Cardinals and their $2.875 million bonus offer last summer. This made him the first right-handed prep arm drafted by St. Louis in the first round since 1991. Miller's work ethic is considered excellent, and he has a strong, aggressive presence on the mound.

Turner: Like Miller, Jacob Turner was considered one of the elite prep arms in the '09 draft. From high school in St. Louis, he was well-known on the showcase circuit and considered more experienced and polished than the average non-Sun Belt high school arm. Drafted ninth overall, he signed for a $4.7 million bonus (part of a major league contract worth $5.5 million overall), passing up North Carolina. His work ethic and mound presence are considered excellent.

Advantage: Turner got more press as an amateur but Miller was certainly well-known, and both were premium draft picks. Both work hard and present good mound maturity for their age. I rate the intangibles as even.

Physicality, Health, and Tools
Miller: Miller is a 6-3, 195 pound right-handed hitter and thrower, born October 10th, 1990. He has a classic power pitcher body and is physically mature; he probably won't throw much harder in the future than he currently does. But that's not a problem, since he already throws 92-97 MPH, averaging 94 in most starts according to Midwest League sources, but able to bump up to 96-97 when he needs it. His fastball isn't straight and has movement, but he also works it in the strike zone well, hitting his spots. His delivery is relatively low-stress, with no significant red flags. Miller's second pitch is a solid, if inconsistent, curveball. It is very effective when thrown properly and will be a plus major league pitch with another year of development or so. He uses a changeup but it needs more work, but he's definitely got the aptitude to improve it. Miller's fastball/curveball/occasional changeup repertoire is overpowering when everything is working right. He's had no significant injury issues, and the Cardinals were very careful with his workload this year, giving him much of June away from active pitching in order to work on his mechanics on the sidelines. He pitched outstanding baseball after returning to full action in July (see below).

Turner: Turner is a 6-5, 210 pound right-handed hitter and thrower, born May 21st, 1991. He's two inches taller than Miller and probably has more physical projectability left. He threw 90-94 MPH most of the season, averaging 92 MPH according to Midwest League sources. He hit 96-98 MPH in high school but didn't seem to be throwing as consistently hard this year. He has a very strong curveball; some observers indicate this is already a plus major league pitch, and will certainly be excellent with another year of development. He has a very good changeup, and that can also be a plus pitch if he starts using it more. His mechanics and delivery are clean and have no significant flaws. His control is very sharp for a young power pitcher. He missed some time early in the season with tightness in his forearm, but he was healthy and extremely effective down the stretch (see below).

Advantage: At this point, it looks like Miller has a better fastball, but Turner has a more refined curveball and changeup. Turner might pick up a bit more velocity as he matures, getting their fastballs to even, but then Miller's curveball is very promising, his changeup is decent, and both of those pitches are likely to improve just as Turner's fastball is. Both of them have good command for their age. Turner's control is sharper right now, but Miller dominates a game a bit more often. Their strengths and weaknesses balance each other, and this looks even to me.

Current Performance
Miller: Miller posted a 3.62 ERA in 104.1 innings for Low-A Quad Cities in the Midwest League this year, with a 140/33 K/BB and 97 hits allowed. He gave up just seven homers while posting a 0.94 GO/AO. The K/IP is outstanding and his control was good for a young power pitcher. Note the following splits: he had a 4.79 ERA with a 56/15 K/BB and 44 hits in his first 41.1 innings, but in the second half (after resting most of June) he was devastating, with a 2.86 ERA and an 84/18 K/BB in 63 innings, with 53 hits allowed.

Turner: Turner began the season with West Michigan in the Midwest League, posting a 3.67 ERA with a 51/9 K/BB in 54 innings, with 53 hits allowed. Promoted to High-A Lakeland at mid-season, he remained very effective against older competition, with a 2.93 ERA and a 51/14 K/BB in 61 innings, 53 hits. Turner was extremely sharp in the last half of the season, posting a 1.28 ERA with a 41/10 K/BB in 49.1 innings in his last 10 starts, allowing 32 hits. Overall, he posted a 3.28 ERA with a 102/23 K/BB in 115 innings combined, 106 hits, seven homers and a 0.99 GO/AO.

Advantage: Miller had a better K/IP ratio and was more consistently dominant in terms of striking people out, but Turner had a better K/BB ratio and continued to perform well against older competition. Both of them are slight fly ball types at this point, though neither has been overly vulnerable to home runs. Both pitched great in the second half, though Turner's numbers were against older players. All told, I would probably give Turner a very slight edge here, due to half his numbers coming against tougher competition. But it is very close, and I love Miller's Ks.

Projection
Miller: I don't think that Miller is likely to pick up much additional velocity, but what he already has is plenty, and additional refinements of his secondary pitches (which I expect) would make him a future number two starter, and possibly a number one ace-type if all goes well.

Turner: Turner threw harder in high school, and if he gets that back as he matures, he would be a number one or two starter, a rotation anchor type. Even with his current profile, his command of three strong pitches would make him at least a potential number two.

Advantage: Assuming they stay healthy, both of these guys can be number one or two starters.

Summary
Can this be closer? I rate their intangibles, physicality, and projection as even. The only edge is in performance, where the fact that Turner performed well against older competition gives him a narrow margin over Miller. But it isn't exactly Miller's fault that the Cardinals are more cautious about promotions than the Tigers; indeed, I prefer the approach that St. Louis adopted to Detroit's historical propensity for rushing people.
Overall, on paper I think Turner ranks just a tiny bit ahead of Miller. But I love Miller's K/IP ratio, and Detroit's willingness to jump young pitching too quickly (in my opinion) worries me enough that Miller may end up being a better bet in the long run.

Shelby is at 31, while Turner is at 53. He also goes on to say in the comments....
I was trying to come up w/ a more controversial ranking for their lower ranking, but they are all very good pitchers. Just sorta liked the other pitchers better. EX: I figured Miller should rank behind Matzek and Minor, but ahead of Gibson & Mejia. I thought Turner should be behind Alex White, but theoretically, I could have bumped them both ahead of Chris Archer.


Nick isn't even on this list...he was a 44th overall selection this year. So you think a guy that is the 44th pick of this past draft is not only ahead of all the other guys in the minor leagues that are under 25, but that everyone ahead of him in the draft is subject to being a top 100 prospect? Granted there was sign-ability issues so he was probably dropped in the draft, but that is quite the lofty expectation from a guy that has a lot of developing still to do.

I believe this is a classic case of overly analyzing your own prospects, while ignoring that there are 29 other teams with prospects too.

SensandRaps
12-22-2010, 03:12 AM
7 jays in the top 100. finally we got good prospects in the minors, hopefully this means the jays turn it around and fast

Jeffy25
12-22-2010, 03:18 AM
I would be excited to be a Jays fan personally, especially because you finally have a GM that isn't a fan...but is a businessman....he and Friedman of Tampa will soon enough be joining the Yankees and Red Sox as Kings of the AL and the AL East is going to be one tough *** division (as if it wasn't already)

oneill681
12-22-2010, 03:31 AM
What's up y'all,

I'm the one who created that top 100. I just wanted to clarify our site is not a professional publication (it's not at all affiliated w/ Sickels, BA, or any scouts). We run the site for fun in our spare time, and focus on fantasy baseball keeper leagues.

We spend a fair amount of time following prospects, but as a past criticizer of other people’s prospect lists, I promise you creating an accurate list before the major publications release is more difficult than you’d think.

The list initially published is one we published early intentionally (took me about 45 minutes) for the purpose of providing a starting point. We’ve been updating the list from week-to-week based upon feedback and our own research. Even though it's impossible to create a perfect list, there is no doubt places the list can get better.

Here is the most current version (version #3). As you can see, the rankings are already significantly different. If you see places this list can improve (any why), let us know.

http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=2356
1. Domonic Brown—OF, Phillies
2. Bryce Harper—OF, Nationals
3. Mike Trout—OF, Angels
4. Jeremy Hellickson—P, Rays
5. Aroldis Chapman—P, Reds
6. Julio Teheran—P, Braves
7. Jesus Montero—C, Yankees
8. Dustin Ackley—2B, Mariners
9. Eric Hosmer—1B, Royals
10. Mike Moustakas— 3B, Royals
11. Desmond Jennings—OF, Rays
12. Michael Pineda—P, Mariners
13. Brandon Belt—1B, Giants
14. Kyle Drabek—P, Blue Jays
15. Wil Myers—C, Royals
16. Matt Moore—P, Rays
17. Jameson Taillon—P, Pirates
18. Freddie Freeman—1B, Braves
19. Zach Britton—P, Orioles
20. Jarrod Parker—P, Diamondbacks
21. Mike Minor—P, Braves
22. Lonnie Chisenhall—3B, Indians
23. Manny Machado—SS, Orioles
24. Jacob Turner— P, Tigers
25. Brett Jackson—OF, Cubs
26. Grant Green—SS, Athletics
27. Jordan Lyles—P, Astros
28. Mike Montgomery—P, Royals
29. Shelby Miller—P, Cardinals
30. Kyle Gibson—P, Twins
31. Nick Franklin—SS, Mariners
32. Jennry Mejia—P, Mets
33. John Lamb—P, Royals
34. Martin Perez—P, Rangers
35. Wilin Rosario—C, Rockies
36. Chris Carter—1B/OF, Athletics
37. Brett Lawrie—2B, Blue Jays
38. Miguel Sano—3B, Twins
39. Jonathan Singleton—1B, Phillies
40. Tyler Matzek—P, Rockies
41. Simon Castro— P, Padres
42. Jarred Cosart—P, Phillies
43. Jason Kipnis—2B, Indians
44. Dee Gordon—SS, Dodgers
45. Chris Archer—P, Cubs
46. Tanner Scheppers—P, Rangers
47. Alex White—P, Indians
48. Jose Iglesias—SS, Red Sox
49. Devin Mesorasco—C, Reds
50. Chris Sale—P, White Sox
51. Randall Delgado—P, Braves
52. Michael Choice—OF, Athletics
53. Aaron Hicks—OF, Twins
54. Zach Cox—3B, Cardinals
55. Yonder Alonso—1B, Reds
56. Nick Weglarz—OF, Indians
57. Jurickson Profar—SS, Rangers
58. Drew Pomeranz—P, Indians
59. Billy Hamilton—2B, Reds
60. Derek Norris—C, Nationals
61. Trayvon Robinson—OF, Dodgers
62. Hank Conger—C, Angels
63. Danny Duffy—P, Royals
64. Gary Sanchez—C, Yankees
65. Trey McNutt—P, Cubs
66. Brody Colvin—P, Phillies
67. Manny Banuelos—P, Yankees
68. Yasmani Grandal—C, Reds
69. Zach Lee—P, Dodgers
70. Jean Segura—2B, Angels
71. Anthony Rizzo—1B, Padres
72. Chris Dwyer—P, Royals
73. Jake McGee—P, Rays
74. Arodys Vizcaino—P, Braves
75. Wilson Ramos— C, Nationals
76. Casey Kelly—P, Padres
77. Anthony Gose—OF, Blue Jays
78. Tony Sanchez—C, Pirates
79. Dellin Betances—P, Yankees
80. Christian Colon—SS, Royals
81. Alexander Colome—P, Rays
82. Craig Kimbrel—P, Braves
83. JP Arencebia—C, Blue Jays
84. Jake Odorizzi—P, Royals
85. Tyler Chatwood—P, Angels
86. Danny Espinosa—SS, Nationals
87. Zach Wheeler—P, Giants
88. Jerry Sands—OF, Dodgers
89. Josh Sale—OF, Rays
90. Wilmer Flores—SS, Mets
91. Austin Romine— C, Yankees
92. Deck McGuire—P, Blue Jays
93. Robbie Erlin—P, Rangers
94. Tyler Skaggs—P, Diamondbacks
95. Carlos Perez—P, Braves
96. Travis D’Arnaud—C, Blue Jays
97. Engel Beltre—OF, Rangers
98. Matt Dominguez—3B, Marlins
99. Kenley Jansen—P, Dodgers
100 (tie). Ben Revere—OF, Twins
100 (tie). Anthony Ranaudo—P, Red Sox
100 (tie). Oswaldo Arcia—OF, Twins
100 (tie). Adeiny Hechavarria—SS, Blue Jays

CurlyAce
12-22-2010, 03:32 AM
What a turn around for the Jays system over the last two years. From one of the worst to having 7 in the top 100 is amazing. I'm looking forward to the future.

VRP723
12-22-2010, 03:42 AM
Oneill681, may I ask what Kenley did to result in him going down a number of spots in the rankings? Also, while we're on the Dodgers, why is Trayvon Robinson a better prospect than Jerry Sands? I'm not arguing, I'm wondering, I've seen a good amount of people who have Tray higher, I just don't get it.

oneill681
12-22-2010, 03:46 AM
Thought y'all might like this too (keep in mind, it's pretty Greinke trade)

http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=2336

After preparing our prospect rankings, we decided to provide an updated ranking of the farm systems based on our positional rankings and top 100. A summary of our methodology is listed below. The rankings were created using a very basic system that is not perfect. For example, in reality, I think Tampa should perhaps be right below Atlanta. However, on the whole, I think the rankings provide a reasonably accurate picture showing three or four elite systems followed by a number of good systems which are close together. The following are the rankings and each team’s cumulative score.

Here is a more detailed analysis of the results and below are the cumulative scores.


http://www.deepleagues.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Farm-System-Chart.pdf

1. Royals (50)
2. Rays (47)
3. Braves (44)
4. Blue Jays (38)
5. Yankees (34)
6. Reds (33)
7. Rangers (31)
7. Indians (31)
9. Angels (30)
9. Phillies (30)
9. Twins (30)
12. Dodgers (29)
13. Mariners (28)
13. Padres (28)
15. Athletics (25)
15. Cubs (25)
15. Pirates (25)
18. Nationals (24)
19. Red Sox (23)
20. Mets (22)
21. Orioles (21)
21. Rockies (21)
23. Giants (19)
24. Tigers (18)
24. Cardinals (18)
26. Astros (17)
26. Diamondbacks (17)
28. White Sox (15)
29. Brewers (13)
30. Marlins (11)

We used the following method: (1) teams were awarded one point for a player appearing in our positional rankings; (2) teams received an additional point for prospects on the positional rankings up to a specified “cutoff point;” and (3) teams received a point every time their prospect ranked in the top 100, 75, 50, 25, 10, and 5. The concept of “snub points” was created to avoid situations where relying directly on our rankings would be misleading. For example, I awarded a snub point when I saw something on the list affecting the ranking that could have gone either way and/or I could have ranked differently (i.e.,Pittsburgh had several players who just missed in the positional rankings, including 2-3 young players I removed because our rankings are geared toward fantasy keeper leagues).

oneill681
12-22-2010, 03:53 AM
Oneill681, may I ask what Kenley did to result in him going down a number of spots in the rankings? Also, while we're on the Dodgers, why is Trayvon Robinson a better prospect than Jerry Sands? I'm not arguing, I'm wondering, I've seen a good amount of people who have Tray higher, I just don't get it.

Nothing Kenley did. I'm not particularly high on relievers in fantasy keeper leagues b/c it is too hard to predict whether they will close. Kenley's a little bit older and there's no guarantee he will close, so I thought he should be about 10-15 spots behind Kimbrel.

Sands/Robinson are tough to evaluate. Sands obviously posted the better numbers, but since he sorta came out of nowhere, it's hard to get a long-term gague on his production. I see Robinson as a player offering more long-term upside, but that could easily be wrong.

Jeffy25
12-22-2010, 03:54 AM
What's up y'all,

I'm the one who created that top 100. I just wanted to clarify our site is not a professional publication (it's not at all affiliated w/ Sickels, BA, or any scouts). We run the site for fun in our spare time, and focus on fantasy baseball keeper leagues.

We spend a fair amount of time following prospects, but as a past criticizer of other people’s prospect lists, I promise you creating an accurate list before the major publications release is more difficult than you’d think.

The list initially published is one we published early intentionally (took me about 45 minutes) for the purpose of providing a starting point. We’ve been updating the list from week-to-week based upon feedback and our own research. Even though it's impossible to create a perfect list, there is no doubt places the list can get better.

Here is the most current version (version #3). As you can see, the rankings are already significantly different. If you see places this list can improve (any why), let us know.

http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=2356
1. Domonic Brown—OF, Phillies
2. Bryce Harper—OF, Nationals
3. Mike Trout—OF, Angels
4. Jeremy Hellickson—P, Rays
5. Aroldis Chapman—P, Reds
6. Julio Teheran—P, Braves
7. Jesus Montero—C, Yankees
8. Dustin Ackley—2B, Mariners
9. Eric Hosmer—1B, Royals
10. Mike Moustakas— 3B, Royals
11. Desmond Jennings—OF, Rays
12. Michael Pineda—P, Mariners
13. Brandon Belt—1B, Giants
14. Kyle Drabek—P, Blue Jays
15. Wil Myers—C, Royals
16. Matt Moore—P, Rays
17. Jameson Taillon—P, Pirates
18. Freddie Freeman—1B, Braves
19. Zach Britton—P, Orioles
20. Jarrod Parker—P, Diamondbacks
21. Mike Minor—P, Braves
22. Lonnie Chisenhall—3B, Indians
23. Manny Machado—SS, Orioles
24. Jacob Turner— P, Tigers
25. Brett Jackson—OF, Cubs
26. Grant Green—SS, Athletics
27. Jordan Lyles—P, Astros
28. Mike Montgomery—P, Royals
29. Shelby Miller—P, Cardinals
30. Kyle Gibson—P, Twins
31. Nick Franklin—SS, Mariners
32. Jennry Mejia—P, Mets
33. John Lamb—P, Royals
34. Martin Perez—P, Rangers
35. Wilin Rosario—C, Rockies
36. Chris Carter—1B/OF, Athletics
37. Brett Lawrie—2B, Blue Jays
38. Miguel Sano—3B, Twins
39. Jonathan Singleton—1B, Phillies
40. Tyler Matzek—P, Rockies
41. Simon Castro— P, Padres
42. Jarred Cosart—P, Phillies
43. Jason Kipnis—2B, Indians
44. Dee Gordon—SS, Dodgers
45. Chris Archer—P, Cubs
46. Tanner Scheppers—P, Rangers
47. Alex White—P, Indians
48. Jose Iglesias—SS, Red Sox
49. Devin Mesorasco—C, Reds
50. Chris Sale—P, White Sox
51. Randall Delgado—P, Braves
52. Michael Choice—OF, Athletics
53. Aaron Hicks—OF, Twins
54. Zach Cox—3B, Cardinals
55. Yonder Alonso—1B, Reds
56. Nick Weglarz—OF, Indians
57. Jurickson Profar—SS, Rangers
58. Drew Pomeranz—P, Indians
59. Billy Hamilton—2B, Reds
60. Derek Norris—C, Nationals
61. Trayvon Robinson—OF, Dodgers
62. Hank Conger—C, Angels
63. Danny Duffy—P, Royals
64. Gary Sanchez—C, Yankees
65. Trey McNutt—P, Cubs
66. Brody Colvin—P, Phillies
67. Manny Banuelos—P, Yankees
68. Yasmani Grandal—C, Reds
69. Zach Lee—P, Dodgers
70. Jean Segura—2B, Angels
71. Anthony Rizzo—1B, Padres
72. Chris Dwyer—P, Royals
73. Jake McGee—P, Rays
74. Arodys Vizcaino—P, Braves
75. Wilson Ramos— C, Nationals
76. Casey Kelly—P, Padres
77. Anthony Gose—OF, Blue Jays
78. Tony Sanchez—C, Pirates
79. Dellin Betances—P, Yankees
80. Christian Colon—SS, Royals
81. Alexander Colome—P, Rays
82. Craig Kimbrel—P, Braves
83. JP Arencebia—C, Blue Jays
84. Jake Odorizzi—P, Royals
85. Tyler Chatwood—P, Angels
86. Danny Espinosa—SS, Nationals
87. Zach Wheeler—P, Giants
88. Jerry Sands—OF, Dodgers
89. Josh Sale—OF, Rays
90. Wilmer Flores—SS, Mets
91. Austin Romine— C, Yankees
92. Deck McGuire—P, Blue Jays
93. Robbie Erlin—P, Rangers
94. Tyler Skaggs—P, Diamondbacks
95. Carlos Perez—P, Braves
96. Travis D’Arnaud—C, Blue Jays
97. Engel Beltre—OF, Rangers
98. Matt Dominguez—3B, Marlins
99. Kenley Jansen—P, Dodgers
100 (tie). Ben Revere—OF, Twins
100 (tie). Anthony Ranaudo—P, Red Sox
100 (tie). Oswaldo Arcia—OF, Twins
100 (tie). Adeiny Hechavarria—SS, Blue Jays

I am wondering how I got this list from John Sickels then :confused:

I'm confused now....

oneill681
12-22-2010, 04:00 AM
I am wondering how I got this list from John Sickels then :confused:

I'm confused now....

Sickels has a section called "fanposts" where anybody can post. I post on the site sporadically, and put this in the "fanposts" section to get some feedback.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/12/12/1872397/2011-top-100-prospects

Sorry to disappoint! I totally agree Sickels is the man, but in reality, that guy has probably forgotten more than I know about baseball prospects.

Jeffy25
12-22-2010, 04:01 AM
Sickels has a section called "fanposts" where anybody can post. I post on the site sporadically, and put this in the "fanposts" section to get some feedback.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/12/12/1872397/2011-top-100-prospects

Sorry to disappoint! I totally agree Sickels is the man, but in reality, that guy has probably forgotten more than I know about baseball prospects.

I was just about to edit my post. I went back and googled search John Sickels top 100 prospects, and as I went down on the page, on the right hand corner, there is your fan post lol. So that must be where I got it.

Had no clue, thought this was a Sickels posting...oh well....Thanks for clarifying :)

robdizzle3
12-22-2010, 04:01 AM
Go braves!!!!!

oneill681
12-22-2010, 04:06 AM
I was just about to edit my post. I went back and googled search John Sickels top 100 prospects, and as I went down on the page, on the right hand corner, there is your fan post lol. So that must be where I got it.

Had no clue, thought this was a Sickels posting...oh well....Thanks for clarifying :)

Not a problem. That's pretty funny b/c I was honestly humbled our list was from the site you respected the most! That explains it! Even though we work at it, we have a ways to go before we can catch John Sickels.

VRP723
12-22-2010, 04:12 AM
Nothing Kenley did. I'm not particularly high on relievers in fantasy keeper leagues b/c it is too hard to predict whether they will close. Kenley's a little bit older and there's no guarantee he will close, so I thought he should be about 10-15 spots behind Kimbrel.

Sands/Robinson are tough to evaluate. Sands obviously posted the better numbers, but since he sorta came out of nowhere, it's hard to get a long-term gague on his production. I see Robinson as a player offering more long-term upside, but that could easily be wrong.

Alright, I didn't realize it was in relation to fantasy keepers, but that makes sense.

Happy to see the Dodgers system get credit again, we were under looked for a while because some of the guys were so far away, but now that they're developing I expect to see us in the top half of prospect reports all year :D

xabial
12-22-2010, 04:28 AM
Five Yankees on that List.

Count me Impressed!

The_Mac22
12-22-2010, 04:36 AM
Brandon Belt :drool:

ROY

nyg41111
12-22-2010, 07:58 AM
5 yankees players
romine might be down a little to far
9. Jesus Montero—C, Yankees
48. Gary Sanchez—C, Yankees
68. Dellin Betances—P, Yankees
75. Austin Romine— C, Yankees
98. Andrew Brackman—P, Yankees
three catchers, two pitchers time to use them yanks

ShinobiNYC
12-22-2010, 08:43 AM
http://slidingintohome.blogspot.com/2010/08/john-sickels-revisits-yankees-top-20.html



I know it's hard for fans to not over rate their prospects, but we all do it. Banuelos is probably right where he belongs

It's an old list...It doesn't even have Betances.

KingPosey
12-22-2010, 03:54 PM
Oneill681, may I ask what Kenley did to result in him going down a number of spots in the rankings? Also, while we're on the Dodgers, why is Trayvon Robinson a better prospect than Jerry Sands? I'm not arguing, I'm wondering, I've seen a good amount of people who have Tray higher, I just don't get it.
your mom. And dont feel bad, i had to ask what she was too. Bam eat it Dodgers fan! j/k

Sportfan
12-22-2010, 08:16 PM
LOL Igleisas made it but not Ranaudo?

lavell12
12-22-2010, 08:23 PM
The list is a lot different than last year's b/c this list has a lot guys who aren't as close to the big leagues as last year's list. A lot of "potential" here.

robdizzle3
12-22-2010, 10:33 PM
How come Kimbrel is all the way at 82? The guy looks like he's gonna dominate in the bigs.

flea
12-22-2010, 10:54 PM
How come Kimbrel is all the way at 82? The guy looks like he's gonna dominate in the bigs.

Undersized righty who walks the world. He was impressive in the majors last year and compares favorably to some other small-statured bullpen heroes of the past, but none of that changes those first two facts.

hype707
12-23-2010, 06:46 PM
Lmao @ everyone *****ing about the Phillies future... 2 in the top 25 and 4 in the top 100... Suck on that. We trade guys and our other guys perform and get noticed... What a ****ing system.

Philly sports Mecca

lvlheaded
12-23-2010, 07:04 PM
Mike Trout at 3 is great, the kid went to high school a half hour away from me and used to kill our team

No Fun League
12-23-2010, 08:05 PM
Idk much about the Jays system so i'll take your word for them being second but nobody will compare Brown to Heyward. The biggest difference is age. Heyward just put up a 5 win season as a 20 year old while Brown is already 23 and struggled a little bit in his first 35 games (only walked 5 times). Brown is gonna struggle like rookies do with making adjustments and hitting breaking balls and someday he will be great but Heyward and Brown are on two different levels. I mean the the two were in the minors at the same time Heyward was 19 and Brown was 22 and nobody had Brown rated over Heyward.

Brown would have been up way earlier in his career if Jayson Werth wasn't on the team. It's easy to bring up Heyward cause you didn't have a All-Star starter in right field. Had for a rookie to play in an outfield when you have Ibanez, Victorino and Werth in the outfield. To be honest i wouldn't trade any of those guys just to play Brown. But now Werth is gone, maybe Brown will get his shot. Not saying he will be this God of a player. Like with Heyward, you don't know what you got unless he gets playing time. So time will tell.

RamOG
12-24-2010, 12:12 PM
I didn't read every post, so if this has been mentioned already I am truly sorry. But I did notice that only 1 Pirate was in the top 100 and for a team that is pathetic and long suffering as that, this just isn't right

MelkyNYY
12-24-2010, 01:56 PM
Honestly, I'm a diehard Yankee fan. 5 Yankees on the list. This list is ********. These guys did no research and simply put a list together.


Deep Leagues was founded by two attorneys who attended the University of Texas as undergraduates and now live in Houston. We each have been owners in a 23 team keeper league, with farm players, for a combined 20+ seasons. Our own quests for the latest information that may be helpful in developing a fantasy baseball team have led to the creation of Deep Leagues.

None of these kids are former scourts. This is just a Phillies fan who saw Dominic Brown ranked first trying to give this ****** list credibility.

This is the highest I have ever seen Dominic Brown rated anywhere ever.

Hustla23
12-24-2010, 02:19 PM
Honestly, I'm a diehard Yankee fan. 5 Yankees on the list. This list is ********. These guys did no research and simply put a list together.



None of these kids are former scourts. This is just a Phillies fan who saw Dominic Brown ranked first trying to give this ****** list credibility.

This is the highest I have ever seen Dominic Brown rated anywhere ever.
Lol yeah. I was like Dom Brown at #1? Nah yo. Nahhh.

northsider
12-24-2010, 02:20 PM
Royals have another Mike Montgomery.

MelkyNYY
12-24-2010, 02:23 PM
Also, after further research these guys picks the most draftable commodities in upcoming drafts. The guys with most value. So guys closer to the majors will be higher on the list unless they have ridiculous upside. That explains Brown at 1. Nothing to see here, not a real Top 100 list. This is good for guys who do fantasy baseball keeper leagues.

oneill681
12-25-2010, 05:32 AM
Honestly, I'm a diehard Yankee fan. 5 Yankees on the list. This list is ********. These guys did no research and simply put a list together.

None of these kids are former scourts. This is just a Phillies fan who saw Dominic Brown ranked first trying to give this ****** list credibility.

This is the highest I have ever seen Dominic Brown rated anywhere ever.

I was the one who created the list. We're definitely not scouts (or Phillies fans...we're from Houston), but I promise a lot of research went into creating the list. While the publications lists that are published in February are more reliable (they get to talk to scouts, minor league managers, travel to lots of games, etc), I feel pretty comfortable this list will be hold up alright.

Five Yankees is not AT ALL unreasonable. Most lists will have between 3 and 6 Yankees. Montero, Sanchez, and Banuelos will make 85 to 90% of lists. Betances and Romine should make the majority of lists. Brackman is a closer call, but he should make some lists too.

The following links also have Brown rated high. These are both midseason rankings which will undoubtably switch on regular prospect lists w/ Harper and Trout competing for #'s 1 and 2. I'd have Brown #3 on a regular list, and I wouldn't be surprised if certain lists rank him as low as #6 (Hellickson, Chapman, Montero). I'm not totally certain about holding Brown at #1, but on a list geared toward keeper leagues, I think the better move is to take the immediate production w/ D-Brown.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2010/2610314.html

http://mattlee.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/5827848/23093337

These lists are too subjective to ever satisfy everybody, and I've got no problem w/ criticism. But what parts of the list do you think are **********?

RedSox>Yankees
12-25-2010, 06:14 AM
Too bad Ryan Kalish isn't on this list. He's top 20 material for sure, but just because he isn't a rookie anymore he isn't eligible :sigh:

Felix Doubront should've been on this list too.

jfree31
12-25-2010, 12:16 PM
when you get to 100 do u really need a 3-way tie???????????????? also with some of the names on here, and their major league experience, are they REALLY still prospects. if that were the case rookies should still be prospects too. just doesnt make alot of sense. nice to see a list tho. im getting older and harder to keep up with all the kids in the different orginizations

EAGLES3658
12-25-2010, 01:35 PM
So they have Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances but no Manny Banuelos? Banuelos is also a much better prospect than Austin Romine. Banuelos is also better than Casey Kelly who is top 75.

Most prospect guys have Banuelos in the top 20. This list isnt good.

russ1
12-25-2010, 01:49 PM
List is mostly good.... except where is banuelos ? he should be ahead of brackman and betances for yanks

oneill681
12-25-2010, 03:14 PM
What's up y'all,

The general criteria for qualifying is 130 ab's or 50 IP's. I am definitely a Kalish fan, but he missed b/c he passed the cutoff, but despite some other guys having MLB experience, nobody listed exceeded the cutoff. Doubront's a good pitcher but I didn't think he was top 100.

Great call on Banuelos. We completely snubbed him on the first draft b/c I didn't realize his velocity had increased during the season. We're currently on version #3 and he's in the 60's. That ranking is still kinda low. Another good call the three way tie @ #100 needs to go or else we should call the list the top 102 prospects.

Anybody who has criticism definitely let us know, especially if it's about a player you've followed. I would argue the list is decent, but there's no doubt there are places it could improve (ex: Grant Green, Kenley, Casey Kelly, Gose, too much credit to 2010 draftees w/ no experience, etc).

Matt-the-great
12-25-2010, 06:57 PM
quite surprised to see Brown at the top of a list.

I would be quite inclined to move him to 7th or 8th....although I am no prospect maven myself...

EAGLES3658
12-25-2010, 11:14 PM
I was the one who created the list. We're definitely not scouts (or Phillies fans...we're from Houston), but I promise a lot of research went into creating the list. While the publications lists that are published in February are more reliable (they get to talk to scouts, minor league managers, travel to lots of games, etc), I feel pretty comfortable this list will be hold up alright.

Five Yankees is not AT ALL unreasonable. Most lists will have between 3 and 6 Yankees. Montero, Sanchez, and Banuelos will make 85 to 90% of lists. Betances and Romine should make the majority of lists. Brackman is a closer call, but he should make some lists too.

The following links also have Brown rated high. These are both midseason rankings which will undoubtably switch on regular prospect lists w/ Harper and Trout competing for #'s 1 and 2. I'd have Brown #3 on a regular list, and I wouldn't be surprised if certain lists rank him as low as #6 (Hellickson, Chapman, Montero). I'm not totally certain about holding Brown at #1, but on a list geared toward keeper leagues, I think the better move is to take the immediate production w/ D-Brown.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2010/2610314.html

http://mattlee.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/5827848/23093337

These lists are too subjective to ever satisfy everybody, and I've got no problem w/ criticism. But what parts of the list do you think are **********?

Montero, Banuelos, Betances, and Sanchez are all top 50 prospects. Montero and Banuelos top 20. Romine who Im not a big fan of is top 100.

weststar11
12-25-2010, 11:55 PM
yeaa whatever, braves got 3 in tha top 25 and 6 in tha top 100

only difference is we emtied our farm system twice to get Lee, then Halladay. Then alittle to get Oswalt. you didnt dump the system once.

ShinobiNYC
12-26-2010, 02:23 PM
As far as the players I follow I have Montero in the top 5(amazing bat + improved a lot in his catching in the 2nd half of 2010), Betances at 20-25(improved a lot in his control, amazing stuff still), Banuelos at 35(yet to log in a big year innings wise), Sanchez at 60(Yet to reach high A), Romine at around 95-100(didn't improve in 2010, he did play C the whole year...which would show on his offensive numbers)

Halladay
12-27-2010, 05:53 AM
Goign threw much of this thread is pretty funny. How can people actually sit their and say why isn't prospect Y (who happens to be a prospect of my team) in the top 20 or 30 or whatever when in reality, it's just a list that means nothing as well as most people have little knowledge of players outside of their teams system. It's just a list people.

Dark Donnie
12-27-2010, 10:55 AM
Honestly, I'm a diehard Yankee fan. 5 Yankees on the list. This list is ********. These guys did no research and simply put a list together.



None of these kids are former scourts. This is just a Phillies fan who saw Dominic Brown ranked first trying to give this ****** list credibility.

This is the highest I have ever seen Dominic Brown rated anywhere ever.

Haha D Brown was on BA Mid Season rankings at #1

SB75
12-27-2010, 12:11 PM
From the site that I respect the most regarding prospects. Here is their preliminary top 100 prospects

http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=2248

Teheran at #8, wow. From everything I've heard he may be the best pitching prospect in baseball. No disrespect to the pitchers rated ahead of him on this list, I just have not heard much about them.

SB75
12-27-2010, 12:13 PM
Haha D Brown was on BA Mid Season rankings at #1

I thought the kid from TB rated higher than Brown durring the season? I know Brown was high on the list though.

SB75
12-27-2010, 12:16 PM
^^^^ Desmond Jennings and this list has him at #10. Okay got to go along with popular thinking this list is BS. Can't wait for a credibale one. Even if Brown is #1, there is no way Jennings is now #10 and Teheran is #8.

Dark Donnie
12-27-2010, 12:18 PM
^^^^ Desmond Jennings and this list has him at #10. Okay got to go along with popular thinking this list is BS. Can't wait for a credibale one. Even if Brown is #1, there is no way Jennings is now #10 and Teheran is #8.

Brown was #1 on BA Mid Season.....Jennings was 3.

LINK (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2010/2610314.html)

oneill681
12-28-2010, 02:36 AM
^^^^ Desmond Jennings and this list has him at #10. Okay got to go along with popular thinking this list is BS. Can't wait for a credibale one. Even if Brown is #1, there is no way Jennings is now #10 and Teheran is #8.

These lists are subjective, but I don't think Jennings at #10 is unreasonable. For example, Sickels' site is doing a community prospect list where hundreds of people vote. A lot of these guys follow this stuff pretty closely, and here are their current rankings.

•#01 - MIKE TROUT - 62%
•#02 - JEREMY HELLICKSON - 52%
•#03 - BRYCE HARPER - 74%
•#04 - DOMONIC BROWN - 60%
•#05 - JULIO TEHERAN - 52%
•#06 - JESUS MONTERO - 79%
•#07 - ERIC HOSMER - 58%
•#08 - AROLDIS CHAPMAN - 53%
•#09 - DUSTIN ACKLEY - 65.9%
•#10 - WIL MYERS - 93.2%
•#11 - MATT MOORE - 53.9%
•#12 - MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 82.4%
•#13 - DESMOND JENNINGS - 57.4%
•#14 - MIKE MINOR - 65.5%
•#15 - MICHAEL PINEDA - 63.0%
•#16 - BRANDON BELT - 50.6%
•#17 - SHELBY MILLER - 56.3%
•#18 - FREDDIE FREEMAN - 57.8%
•#19 - JAMESON TAILLON - 55.7%
•#20 - JOHN LAMB - 68.7%
•#21 - MIKE MONTGOMERY - 64.9%
•#22 - MANNY MACHADO - 70.8%
•#23 - BRETT LAWRIE - 53.2%
•#24 - MARTIN PEREZ - 74.1%
•#25 - ZACH BRITTON - 59.2%
•#26 - KYLE DRABEK - 68.7%
•#27 - AARON HICKS - 50.7%
•#28 - KYLE GIBSON - 58.1%
•#29 - NICK FRANKLIN - 53.2%
•#30 - JACOB TURNER - 60.7%

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/12/27/1898106/overall-community-prospect-31

oneill681
12-28-2010, 02:42 AM
Biggest difference is Kyle Drabek, who they have much lower (maybe they are right...).

Jeffy25
12-28-2010, 03:01 AM
Will Myers might possibly be one of the most exciting young prospects in baseball

WolvesJagsOs
12-28-2010, 07:11 PM
Guys, how far away do you think Manny Machado is, 2-3 yrs?

VRP723
12-28-2010, 07:38 PM
That's about right, 2-3 years.

Jeffy25
12-28-2010, 07:59 PM
Guys, how far away do you think Manny Machado is, 2-3 yrs?

Get him past High A first, should be a year before he gets to Double A...assume a full season at Double and Triple A each as well.

He might be in the big leagues by 2013.

Halladay
12-29-2010, 01:25 PM
Biggest difference is Kyle Drabek, who they have much lower (maybe they are right...).

Because Drabek wasn't as good last year as he had been in the past. Not really a big deal though, he's still one of the best pitching prospects around. He also won't be a prospect for much longer, he should be our number 4/5 starter this season(limited innings obviously). The Jays have always been loaded with pitching prospects and they still are. If he needs some more seasoning I'm all for it. He'd find his way back into the top 10 or 20 no problem IMO.

bosox3431
12-29-2010, 05:08 PM
Kalish doesn't make it because he exceeded 130 AB's last season. Kind of an arbitrary system but the general standard is 50 IP or 130 AB's in the major league. Same deal w/ Brett Wallace.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kalisry01.shtml

Brown’s #1 ranking over Harper/Trout is based on a subtle difference between real baseball and fantasy keeper leagues. In most keeper leagues, teams can only keep the prospect for a limited number of years at a reduced value (my league is three years at $4). The concern I have w/ elite high school prospects in keeper leagues is they often arrive in the major leagues too soon. For example, even if Harper produces monster numbers by age 22, if he gets called up at age 19, the keeper league owner runs the risk of his contract expiring before they see a great deal of production. Therefore, even though Brown offers a slightly lower ceiling, I would pick him b/c there is a better chance the owner will get immediate production from day 1.

Those are good thoughts on the other guys, especially Iglesias. As much as I like Iglesias, since we covering fantasy, the ranking strains logic considering so much of his value is defense. Cosart is a fellow Houston guy, and despite the ridiculous arm, I'm not totally sold on putting him that high. I don't have inside knowledge or anything...just tend to follow the hometown prospect like Taillon, Drabek etc more closely. There are some arguments for putting Kelly higher. While his basic stats aren't good, check out his BABIP (.366!). I can't go top 25, but I'll give him a closer look to see if I should move him up.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa454391&position=P

Great feedback and I really appreciate it.

Did you happen to look at what level Kelly was at and his age? His stats look bad but he was also facing competition 2 years older then him

dannyh1469
12-29-2010, 05:18 PM
can anyone give me some info on jean segura from the angels i have heard his name before but cnt really find any worthwhile info can someone tell me his e.t.a. and so projections maybe...

oneill681
12-31-2010, 07:48 PM
Did you happen to look at what level Kelly was at and his age? His stats look bad but he was also facing competition 2 years older then him

Yeah, we definitely considered he was pitching at the Eastern League at 20. Same deal w/ Martin Perez in the Texas League.

I kept Kelly really high on our midseason list based on age/level expecting to see a solid second half. The problem is his second half performance didn't show any huge improvement. I think he'll bounce back in AA this year, but I kept him a little lower b/c I'm not totally sold.

knicks_champ
01-03-2011, 05:37 AM
Wilmer Flores will be up there in the coming years. Mark my words the guy has great skills.

LADTXR
01-03-2011, 02:20 PM
Stoked to see my boy Robbie Erlin on there, if you haven't checked out his stats you need to cuz they're pretty unreal and only 19 playing at low A. Hopefully in 3 years he'll get called up. Also, suprised to see Kenley Jansen rated so low, is it because he dominated big league comp last year in his first full season pitching ever! Would like to see him no worse than 50.

sfattahian
01-03-2011, 04:13 PM
1. Harper
2. Chapman
3. Belt
4. Brown
5. Hosmer

TheHughesUnit
01-04-2011, 11:53 PM
1. Harper

Your opinion no longer matters... sorry I had to say it.

No way is Harper No 1... Perhaps if the list is a hype list...

BaseBallScout21
01-05-2011, 08:13 PM
Get him past High A first, should be a year before he gets to Double A...assume a full season at Double and Triple A each as well.

He might be in the big leagues by 2013.

Machado could make it in 2013 as a September call up. More likely to me is making his debut in 2014.

He made it to short season this year. I see Low A with possible High A this year. Double A all of 12 with Triple A at the end of the year. Then, Triple A all of 13 with the possible September call up. Depends on how aggressive the Orioles are with him.

BaseBallScout21
01-05-2011, 08:20 PM
can anyone give me some info on jean segura from the angels i have heard his name before but cnt really find any worthwhile info can someone tell me his e.t.a. and so projections maybe...

Segura is quickly rising up in scouting circles. Both John Sickels and Baseball America rate him as the 3rd best prospect in the Angels System. BA sees him being in the Angels line-up in 2014.

Reports say hitting is his strength. Sprays line drives all over the field. Also, a plus, plus runner. People say he's limited to 2nd though b/c not a lot of range.